Is 21 years in prison, with the rarely mentioned (but real) addendum that it may be indefinitely extended if he is assessed as a risk to society. Which he no doubt will be.
If I were the judge I’d put him up against the wall and be done with it. On this I actually agree with Breivik himself:
Breivik derided a jail term as ‘pathetic’, and said acquittal or execution were the only reasonable outcomes, although the country does not have the death penalty.
As it is, he is going to live in fairly luxurious conditions (for a prisoner) featuring three rooms, each 8 square meters: A bedroom; his own private gym; and a computer, from where he will continue writing his opuses. (At least they won’t take recent moves to have Internet access declared a fundamental human right to apply to Breivik).
Don’t really have much more to say on this that hasn’t been said elsewhere. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned much is that Breivik is yet another quintessential example of beta male rage as in George Sodini, James Holmes, etc (though the driving causes in his case were quite different from what motivated most of the American mass shooters). Breivik was very beta: World of Warcraft junkie, no girlfriend, etc.
Another fun thing to consider is what Breivik will observe from his prison as the decades go by. There will be no uprising against “Eurabia” of the type he dreams about and hopes to foment. On the other hand the predictions of “Eurabia experts” about dhimmitude won’t pan out either. What will actually happen is that Norway’s population will continue diversifying, bolstered by millions of climate refugees – only a modest fraction of which will be from the Islamic world – ushering in a caste society by the time as the century goes on. In these new conditions I fully expect ethnic Norwegians to remain generally on top like the Kshatriya and Brahmans in India.
I wonder what Breivik would think about that?
Like all Scandinavian countries Norway although having a militant liberal, multi-cultural society has a very strict immigration policy the vast majority of which are not just Europeans but from neighbouring countries.
“Breivik was very beta: World of Warcraft junkie, no girlfriend, etc”.
For a period of time he had a Belarusian girlfriend live with him in his Oslo apartment that he meet through a dating site and was no loner as he had friends.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/120118/last-girlfriend-norwegian-mass-murderer-breivik-gives-interview
Although his failed internet dating experience could have sparked beta male rage.
I guess all the talk about Breivik training in a secret Belarusian training camp turned out to be BS or was it deliberately ignored by the mass media?
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/breivik-portfolio-part-two-chechen.html?showComment=1313603785353
The thing that caught my eye that was admitted in the article(s) is that the alleged colonel that he trained under is a Muslim, affiliated to the Grey Wolves a pan-Turanian/ pan-Turkic Gladio era organisation who is married to a cousin of the first President of Chechnya Dudaev and connected to a front company along with other former KGB/GRU who by their own admission on their own website have connections to US and British establishments in the 90’s.
“Valery Lunev (cover name, b. 1960, in Kuliab, Tajikistan). Officer of the Soviet General Staff. In the 1980s took part in anti-COCOM activities in the Netherlands. Has Dutch passport. Major-General of Belorussian KGB, in active reserve since 2007. Served in Iraq (1990-1991). Converted to Islam after marrying a relative of President Dudaev . Pan-Turkist, connected to radical branch of the Grey Wolves underground. Fluent in Arabic and Farsi. Executive Director of Far West, LLC .”
The interesting thing is that former Belarusian ant-terrorism unit that stills operates in Belarus are being used as mercenaries and to traffic weapons to Chechen militants. A Belarusian journalist was killed for exposing this that was somehow blamed on Luckachenko.
“It appears that the Norwegian terrorist underwent the militant-terrorist training under the guidance of 51-year-old Valery Lunev, a former colonel of Belarusian special forces, who now lives in Netherlands but regularly visits Belarus.”
“Belarus, a former Soviet republic that ended up with a large stockpile of conventional Soviet weapons and is today one of the worlds top arms exporters, Moldovia, and the Ukraine have all shipped arms to Chechnya.
On 11 January 2002, Janes Intelligence Digest reported that Victor Sheyman, the former head of the Belarusian Security Council, coordinated the arms shipments through former members of the Belarussian Almaz antiterrorist squad who had become merceneries in Chechnya. They served as intermediaries for the delivery of these weapons.”
I don’t know if Mr Lunev is involved in this but I think it is a distinct probability.
One thing that hasn’t been mentioned much is that Breivik is yet another quintessential example of beta male rage as in George Sodini, James Holmes, etc (though the driving causes in his case were quite different from what motivated most of the American mass shooters).
While it occurred on a much smaller scale, Friday’s shootout at the Empire State Building was a prime example of beta male rage. A meek, mild, ultra-beta (58 years old, friendless loner, never married, no known girlfriends) puts up for years with daily torment by a swaggering alpha male salesman, ends up unemployed after the alpha sabotages his work (though this is open to debate), finally snaps and pumps five .45ACP rounds into the alpha.
It sure was.
I hope not. Norway doesn’t need any ‘diversifying’ or more ‘refugees.’
These so-called ‘Alphas’ need to stop treating ‘Betas’ like inferior underlings and perhaps there’d be less workplace shootings….
Both of those statements illustrate the maxim that, “if wishes were fishes…”
Well, nothing is ‘inevitable’ about mass immigration, which is the result of economic and political decisions made by political and business elites. Norway under another government can boost its native fertility rate and shut alien migrants out, if it chose to do so. As for this ‘Alpha/Beta’ business, much of it is quite exaggerated.
Boosting native fertility rate? How, they have already one of the highest birthrates*.
*) excluding some third world hell holes.
Crime is disproportionally committed by macho guys. I doubt there’s any trend going on of non-macho guys turning on society. These are rare exceptions.
Not surprised that Breivik got 21 years in jail. I think this is the maximum sentence that can be imposed in Norway. I’ve read about the case of the heavy metal musician Varg Vikernes who killed another musician, Oystein Aarseth aka Euronymous, in a frenzied stabbing attack in 1993 and was sentenced to 21 years’ jail in 1994, partly for the murder and also because he’d had some involvement in burning churches. One such church burning caused the death of a firefighter. In Norway, many historic wooden churches are built on sites of temples once dedicated to Odin and other Norse gods and the early black metal scene which Vikernes and Euronymous were part of was extremely anti-Christian.
While in jail, Vikernes had access to synthesisers and recording equipment (he was not allowed to use guitars) and made two solo albums but then gave up music and turned to writing. His beliefs became more neo-fascist, paganist and environmentalist and for a while he had some association with Heathen Front, a white supremacist organisation. I believe he was moved to prisons in Trondheim and Tromso while serving his sentence. Tromso prison is supposed to be quite famous but I forget what for: it might be humane treatment of prisoners. In 2009 V was released on parole and went to live on a farm in Telemark where he resumed his music career. I do not know if his activities are being monitored by police.
There were occasions when V’s jail sentence was actually extended and his requests for parole were denied but in 2009 the Norwegian prison system had a change of heart and released him. It’s pretty likely that Breivik’s sentence will also be subject to extensions of time of up to 5 years after the 21-year jail sentence is served.
I used to buy music CDs from a guy who knows a musician who worked with Vikernes in the past so I have a personal interest in the case (but me and the guy I bought my music from are not neo-fascists – I’m Asian and the other person is Jewish).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes
***Breivik was very beta: World of Warcraft junkie, no girlfriend, etc.***
Chris Brand suggested he was gay based on his concern about his appearance (cosmetic surgery, using make up powder, pic of him dancing at a gay pride event several years ago). His friends apparently thought so too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9297419/Anders-Behring-Breiviks-friends-believed-he-was-gay.html
Many lesser betas retreat into faux-homosexuality (asexuality, “pansexuality”, marriage with cats, etc) to glaze over their failure with women.
Of course he might well be naturally gay but I wouldn’t bet on it.
***Norway although having a militant liberal, multi-cultural society has a very strict immigration policy ***
Denmark certainly seems open about the cost benefits of its tight immigration criteria.
How can you save on housing that is already build?
There is also the issue with letting highly educated people in. In reality this mean importing doctors which is cheaper than educating them yourself. From a countries perspective that is cheaper and better but i don’t think it is a wise policy for voters as it means that their kids wont get the good jobs like doctors etc.
There is also the question if Eastern Europeans give better results.
Off course they don’t mind hosting radical Islamic and other organisations like Hizb ut-Tahrir that is very active in Russia and Central Asia who I think they even have their own TV or radio station hosted there.
“What will actually happen is that Norway’s population will continue diversifying, bolstered by millions of climate refugees – only a modest fraction of which will be from the Islamic world – ushering in a caste society by the time as the century goes on. In these new conditions I fully expect ethnic Norwegians to remain generally on top like the Kshatriya and Brahmans in India.”
The Kshatriya and Brahmins are descended, in large part, from nomadic conquerors. The native Norwegians, by contrast, seem extremely passive. I guess all the aggressive, terrifying Norsemen died out, or intermarried with the folks they colonized elsewhere in Europe.
Jails are coloured in soothing colours. That is not because inmates are so peaceful but to sublimate their aggressiveness.
Well, criminals are, by definition, outliers to the overall tendencies of a population (we would hope, anyway). And if all it takes to “sublimate the agressiveness” of Norway’s most dangerous criminals, I’m going to guess that their aggressive tendencies aren’t that strong.
I was talking about jails in general, not Norwegians specific. My point had also nothing to do with prisoners but that the Scandinavians are so “rainbowie” because they are so berserk inside
“The Kshatriya and Brahmins are descended, in large part, from nomadic conquerors. The native Norwegians, by contrast, seem extremely passive. I guess all the aggressive, terrifying Norsemen died out, or intermarried with the folks they colonized elsewhere in Europe.”
Another huge difference is that the Kyhatriya and Brahmins were not indoctrinated into sacralizing and worshipping darker peoples and multiracialism as are modern Norwegians. The mass public singing during the Breivik trial of the song “Children of the Rainbow” show a population as deeply brainwashed as North Koreans. Much more likely they will become a marginalised, dispossessed and despised minority as in South Africa.
(http://www.policymic.com/articles/7556/norway-fights-against-mass-killer-breivik-by-singing-children-of-the-rainbow/related.
“If I were the judge I’d put him up against the wall and be done with it.”
As Jennifer wrote, the top punishment possible is 21 years in Norway.
As for the death penalty, the only European country that uses it is Belarus.
If my retirement investments go south (probable) and Social Security is not viable, I shall go to Norway, begin a crime spree. If successful, I’ll come home. If not, I shall be serenely sentenced to a retirement home.