One constant theme in the immigration “debate” is that the world of Mutti Merkel and Sweden Yes! are just too stupid and/or WEIRD (capitalized) to get that it probably isn’t such a great idea to import millions of 80 IQ Third Worlders with a penchant for cultural enrichment. In fantasyland, they will help pay European pensions and provide workers; in practice, Germany and Sweden are cutting benefits, raising taxes, upping the retirement age, and kicking their own people out of social housing to provide lodgings for the Abduls and Jamals who will take good care of them.
But these two explanations are highly questionable. While the Eurocrat elites might be many things, one thing they are not is stupid. For that matter, Merkel herself is a cited physicist. Nor is it obvious to me that they are too WEIRD for their own good. Plenty of senior establishment figures have openly come out against mass immigration and they are not all called Viktor Orban. For that matter, Merkel herself in 2010 had said that European multiculturalism had failed and had no future. (This, fundamentally, is why back then I was so skeptical about the Eurabia concept. I still assumed that democracies at least to some extent answered to their people and that immigration would drastically slow down as political sentiment drifted against it. Instead, we are now seeing Sweden replacing more than 2% of its population annually, even as the “far right” Sweden Democrats climb to 25%+ in the polls. At such rates, what was once sci-fi has become a real demographic scenario).
The Trolloc hordes approach! pic.twitter.com/nCkaucDG57
— Anatoly Karlin (@powerfultakes) October 21, 2015
What explains the volte face?
Maybe this particular stone just kills too many birds not to have been eventually thrown. At this point, perhaps more “conspiratorial” explanations can come to the fore.
(1) Suppress European nationalism, not just politically but eventually, demographically. It just so happens that nationalism – not socialism, social democracy, or even (especially) social justice – is also the greatest threat to oligarchic power. That is because the modern Left is too obsessed with vague notions of “social justice” to notice, while the Right only cares about making life easier for its big business sponsors in between satisfying its cuckoldry fetish.
(2) One way of doing this is to steadily stiffle freedom of speech on both the Internet and meatspace on the pretext of fighting racism and xenophobia. See the recent leaked Mutti-Zucky conversation on this:
(3) Incidentally, the SJWs and mainstream media are doing much of the “gruntwork” in this respect, so that’s an additional bonus. For instance, the Reddit regional default sub /r/europe under the benevolent guidance of /u/dClauzel is infamous for banning all real criticism of the immigration wave.
(4) This means real repressive actions, such as the endless legal cases against Marine Le Pen, can be kept at a relative minimum. That repressive reserve can be “saved up” for the real domestic enemies of NWO oligarchs, who mainly seem to be cryptoanarchists like Assange and Snowden, and those “radical” (as in, who remember their roots – their radix) Leftists like Jeremy Corbyn and various Southern European upstarts who want to substantially overhaul the entire current system of total global financial power. They are demonized in the MSM, sidelined out of power to the maximum extent possible while maintaining some semblance of democracy, and if that doesn’t work they are eventually made offers they cannot refuse, as happened to Syriza.
(5) Neoliberalism can be legally entrenched, with “reforms” such as higher retirement ages and lower minimum wages pushed through to help the surviving Aylans with $15,000 annually, as Soros suggested. The media, organized in a few oligarch-owned conglomerates, is and will of course continue to be fully on board with this plan. The TPP will merely accelerate and globalize this process.
(6) The surveillance state has all the justifications it needs to continue metastasizing without end. Not just on the grounds of preventing terrorism, which wouldn’t be much of an issue had mass immigration not happened in the first place, but also perhaps to detect and trace back all the vile racists and their hate speech. Dystopian sci-fi scenario of mass unemployment in which universal basic income depends on your social justice karma level? You heard it here first.
(7) Finally, the permanent refugee crisis itself – not to mention many other ills too numerous to count – can be ascribed by a compliant media to whoever happens to be not under the NWO’s thumb, and as such, its enemy. Putin in particular comes to mind. This in turn can be used as a pretext to foment ever more instability in the Middle East and Russia’s borderlands, leading to their continued destabilization, ever bigger refugee outflows, and the consolidation of the neoliberal/surveillance/social justice transnational Atlantic megastate.
No doubt there are many very powerful people who stand to benefit from all this.
I wonder to what extent this is an organized conspiracy as opposed to an emergent phenomenon. At one point, I used to think it was mostly or entirely the latter. But why not the former? (apart from the convenient notion promoted by the MSM that conspiracies aren’t real and people who credit any measure of truth to them are paranoid uneducated idiots)
He literally looks like a trollface.
Consider the recent case of Joshua Goldberg, an impressive Internet troll who managed to pose as a White Nationalist who wrote for The Daily Stormer, a Jewish supremacist calling for Palestinian extermination, a crazy feminist SJW against Gamergate, and an Islamist extremist who managed to unlock that most elusive of troll achievements: Convincing people to carry out a terrorist attack in meatspace.
One Goldberg – tens of online aliases, thousands of virtual discussions, hundreds of thousands of Likes, upvotes, and shares to Facebook and Twitter.
A few tens of Goldbergs (with some AI bots helping out) – thousands of online aliases, millions of virtual discussions, billions of Likes, upvotes, and shares to Facebook and Twitter.
Maybe with some highly illegal and sordid initiation rituals to serve as potential kompromat.
Maybe an Agent 47 or three to prevent too many people spilling too many beans in too short an interval of time.
Maybe with a few conspiratorial-looking fronts – the Bilderberg Club in particular comes to mind – to take the “heat” away from any real conspiracy.
Put that way, it doesn’t seem all that impossible, now does it?
There are quite a few players out there who have outright stated exactly what they’re doing, that they understand what they’re doing, and why they’re doing it. Please see this video:
Some more detail:
Barbara Lerner Spectre is an excellent example. You can see her explain exactly what she does, why she does it, and even who funds her.
Can you cite ONE incident in which a conspiracy was suspected (and denied by the powers-that-be) and then proven later using real evidence?
That’s really easy. Here’s a very recent one: Snipergate, Ukraine 2014.
Here’s another one: Snowden’s revelations confirmed what conspiracy theorists had been saying about government snooping for years.
Your position is inconsistent.
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The UK’s current conservative government is bad, banning critics of Islam like Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller from entering the country while allowing in Islamic hate preachers. But a Labour government led by Corbyn would be far worse, considering that “social justice warrior” and “Corbyn voter” are largely synonymous and that Corbyn is shamelessly pandering to Muslim interests. And the Manchester Guardian — the third most read news publication worldwide, I read recently — is surely not demonizing Corbyn, “lionizing” is more like it.
So say more. What was suspected, then denied by powerful people, and subsequently proved? I just did a brief web search, and didn’t really understand what you were implying. There’s a BBC article that mentions conspiracy theories but doesn’t present any evidence for or against those theories.
Better example, but the fact that the US government was snooping had been known for years (and not denied by the government either; the Bush administration always seemed to say it was doing things by the book, getting warrants from the courts, etc.) Only the extent to which it was being carried out was exposed by Snowden. Did anyone question, say, Verizon, over its compliance with the NSA’s demand, and did Verizon deny the allegation? If yes, that supports your conspiracy theory; otherwise, it’s just another secret government project (and the people authorized such projects through the Patriot Act) whose details have come to be known over time.
Why would one need a conspiracy if you can do everything that you want to do right in front of God and everybody?
Conspiracy theories? What insane idiot would think that the rich and powerful would work together with other rich and powerful people or institutions to further their interests?
Below is a link to US federal officials convicted of corruption charges. Notice how many of the convictions were for . . . conspiracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_officials_convicted_of_corruption_offenses
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/mar/11/james-clappers-testimony-one-year-later/
It’s only inconsistent on that one metric which as Corbyn is (or was last time I looked) being demonized means the key factor is a different metric.
The EU elite clearly want to turn the majority populations of Europe into minorities for divide and rule purposes with emphasis on “rule”. SJWs are useful idiots to them because they are helping the oligarchy destroy their own people but Corbyn version wants to do that and attack the oligarchy too.
For the oligarchy, SJWs like Blair and Clinton are the good SJWs while Corbyn is a bad SJW.
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On the main point it’s been clear for a long time (if you were paying attention) that the EU was an oligarchic conspiracy from the beginning. All the checks and balances that had been consciously designed into the nation states to prevent abuses of power were consciously designed out of the EU and then all the powers of the nation states were gradually siphoned into the EU.
Their only problem was what to do when they came to the point where they openly declared their coup d’etat as a fait accompli.
Solution – turn the native populations into minorities first.
However this lead to a second problem – the corporate wing’s greed-blinded fantasy economics are wrong, mass low-skilled immigration is a terrible idea and a major factor in the economic decay of the west.
So the more the EU elite solved the first problem with mass immigration the bigger they made the second problem and that was leading to a slow drift to anti-immigration parties.
Catch 22.
Their only way out was to destroy the European nations in whole or in part much faster – get it over with in one go before the economic disaster kicked in.
Hence the “crisis”.
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(There’s also a wild card here as there’s a bureaucratic sociopath wing and a corporate sociopath wing. They’ve been allied so far but sooner or later will fight over which form of dystopia gets to win – for example the bureaucratic sociopaths would almost certainly want to get rid of the banking center in London and move it somewhere more central where they can control it better.)
I think reality is so much sadder. “Powerful” people react to the same incentives as everybody else. They also want to have their soul saved after death, or they really have the compassion, or they just adore the fertile, violent winners, the “strong horse” which are Islam and subsaharan Africa today.
I agree very much with this post. The enemy of the elite is the majority in their country. Sweden is a country where business intolerance of the way the country is organised for the benefit of the masses by the the power of labour is very obvious, and the work of Mark Blyth documents the business elite’s successful ideological offensive against the Swedish model.
I disagree with you about Merkel…I think, she really is stupid (you only need to listen to her for a few minutes…it’s painful)…and btw, she still claims to be against multiculturalism, she said so in early October.
I don’t think social media types like Goldberg are at all significant. Their effect on public opinion is negligible.
The ideology of the ruling class is everywhere the ruling ideology.
The big change happened when the atom bombs dropped on Japan. From at least the French Revolution to Hiroshima, the ruling classes had to be able to mobilise mass armies in order to survive. For this nationalism is necessary.
Since Hiroshima, and especially since the fall of the USSR, the western elites face no threat, and have little need to give regard to the interests of their population.
Martin van Creveld:
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He also has a interesting post about the pressing problem of female lack of sexual satisfaction.
But there is no serious threat of war between Sweden and Russia…all these scenarios of Putin sending his tanks westwards to conquer EU countries are so totally ridiculous.
And while I’m no fan of Putin (though at least he seems to be competent and somewhat patriotic…unlike Merkel and her kind), I’m really uneasy at the demonization of Putin and Russia in Western media…because it isn’t just about Russia, it’s about crushing dissent in Western countries.
I liked Ed West’s recent column about this:
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/the-new-east-west-divide-multiculturalism-vs-sovereignty/
Okay, I really respect you Anatoly, but this is just starting to look like an article from a quack site.
Most probably Merkel just went nuts for a few weeks and now is trying to desperately correct her mistake by reaching out to Erdogan and giving him whatever the fuck he wants to keep Arabs out of Europe.
Patsan, ni nada vse na Zhido-masonov skidovets!!!!
I agree with Anatoly except about Merkel. Needless to say, she’s a tool of corporations and a stupid old cow who doesn’t think by herself. The idea is to bring down wages in Germany by importing serfs from the Third World. And outsource step by step German industry. Yes, all the high tech, prestige German brands are going to move their production to China and elsewhere. That was the master plan all along. The shift to a new economy will be painful and resisted by the natives. Hence the need to open the borders. The same happened in the USA, you had NAFTA, outsourcing to China and open borders at the same time.
On the military front, Turkey wanted to get rid of Kurdish refugees and attack the burgeoning Kurdish state on its border. NATO wanted to take on Assad under a humanitarian pretext.
Things aren’t going smoothly as planned. Though elite aggression on native Europeans seems to be largely successful.
merkel is against multiculturalism but for mass immigration. She wants the newcomers to become germans or at least westerners in the end. Thats the default “conservative” position today
Yes I know…everything will be just fine in the end because we have the Grundgesetz which will magically turn everybody who comes from places like Somalia or Pakistan into model citizens and democrats…
Depressing that people believe such nonsense despite the ample evidence to the contrary.
Wouldn’t the Kennedy assassination fit the bill?
Well, the 1965 Immigration Act would fit the bill. In this case the elites got together and crafted a bill that would open up the floodgates to mass immigration from the Third World, knowing full well what the consequences of this would be — and then they lied about it to the public, telling them that white people in America wouldn’t be demographically swamped as a result of this new legislation, when in fact that was what they intended and that is what has happened
@Numinous:
Regarding “Snipergate, Ukraine”, see:
http://off-guardian.org/2015/10/12/searches-in-kiev-svoboda-party-members-suspected-of-maidan-mass-murder/
The alternative press has been saying almost since the first days after the massacre that the shots which caused the massacre that justified the forceful removal of Yanukovich came from Hotel Ukraina, which was under the control of pro-Maidan groups (not Yanukovich, who got the blame). Now, official powers in Kiev are saying the same thing. Maybe because the oligarchs want to use this as a lever to control the ultranationalists.
How? The most widely accepted explanation today is still what the Warren Commission concluded. A book was written a few years ago about the entire episode, addressing all the popular conspiracy theories and rejecting them on evidential and logical grounds. I didn’t read the book but watched interviews of the author on TV, and his arguments seemed sound to me. The Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison theory no doubt has its adherents, but there seems to be no evidence to back it up.
You think they knew the consequences and lied, because you have grown to distrust them. But read the real account of the machinations involved in getting that bill passed. The original proponents wanted immigrants with skills to get the highest priority, and “family reunification” to come later. But the committee chair, Michael Feighan, forced family reunification to the top of the list because he thought (and conservatives at the time agreed with him) that such a provision would ensure that European relatives of existing Americans (overwhelmingly of European descent) would get the vast majority of green cards. In reality, few Europeans then (and now) wanted to emigrate to the US, so immigrants from non-white countries were later able to take advantage of this provision to spur chain migration, changing the demographics of the country. Had the original skill requirement remained at the top of the priority list, the outcome might have been very different.
I’ll look into the source you’ve linked to, and I don’t disagree that some of the lawmakers involved in crafting the law and getting it promulgated had honest intentions, but my view of the matter has largely been formed by reading Kevin Macdonald on the subject, who very persuasively argues that there was indeed a conspiracy, led primarily by the Jews, to open up the doors to immigrants from non-European nations. In any case, when one steps back to examine the matter objectively, the idea that the people who were at the forefront of getting this law passed weren’t in any way conscious of what the inevitable consequences of that law would be seems incredible. For example, if high-skilled Asian immigrants was what they wanted, they ought to have explicitly written that into the law; and if the intention in the family reunification policy was to ensure that Europeans got the majority of the green cards, then I confess to being skeptical, being that a much more efficient way of achieving such an outcome would have been to simply restrict most green cards to Europeans. No, I think it obvious that there was a conspiracy, a conspiracy that may well have worked in parallel with the efforts of honest people not involved in the conspiracy, but a conspiracy nonetheless.
Yes it’s true that Sweden is relatively safe and can be a freeloader on other countries Martin van Creveld on the reasons for female defence ministers in the West
Putin’s Syria war is creating refugees who are going to advanced societies like Germany and Sweden. Russia is facilitating the flow of refugees to Norway. This is a challenge on the advanced countries attitude to immigration, and led by Germany they are moving into full replacement immigration mode. Putin does not have the aim of changing the West into a much more tough-minded opponent but he may do that in an external sense and in the sense of internal security against the indigenous majority popular organisation. The national security state surveillance and laws supposedly guarding against ISIS will be deployed against indigenous nationalism. So what we will end up with will be externally militaristic, but internally anti nationalist security states throughout the West. Thanks Putin!
I don’t buy that “Putin’s sending refugees because he wants to destabilize the EU”-spin…the problem in the current crisis isn’t Russia, it’s Western antiracism and multiculturalism.
And to call the war in Syria “Putin’s war” is pretty misleading.
That was the intent of the conservatives whose support was necessary to pass the bill (if you read the excerpts I linked to), but not of the main sponsors of the bill (LBJ himself, Ted Kennedy, Emmanuel Celler). The latter group just wanted immigration on a non-discriminatory basis because favoring race-based immigration (the 1924 Act did not stop all immigration, just only for non-whites; and limited it for Southern Europeans) seemed out of step with everything else that was going on in the civil rights era. The former group (conservatives) did not want to seem insensitive to the civil rights and race neutral appeal of this new bill, but neither did they want to take the chance that the demographics of the country would be transformed. So putting the family-reunification provision at the top of the list and pushing skills much further down was a backdoor way of achieving their goal (or so they thought.) The liberals were so intent on passing some bill that they didn’t protest at this. The conservatives miscalculated, that’s all. The liberals didn’t really care what the outcome would be.
They may have said that.
The pro-immigration people say that today; they’ve been saying it for decades but we have decades of evidence that they are and were lying – not only have they never attempted to improve skill training for the native population the vast majority of immigrants haven’t been skilled.
It’s clearly been a conspiracy.
The skills argument is part of the evidence that it’s been a conspiracy.
If the EU elite are anti-multicultural and pro-Islam then they don’t want Arabs to become European they want Europeans to become Arab.
They even wrote it in the first few drafts of the bill. The House committee chairman, Michael Feighan (a New Deal Democrat but seemingly a conservative on race), got the priority list modified in exchange for his support. Read the book excerpts I linked to.
It really needs to be recognized that the 1965 Immigration Act was not crafted and promulgated exclusively as a result of the blundering miscalculation of conservatives or the carelessness of liberals. There were indeed lawmakers at the time who may have miscalculated, and others who were more careless than they ought to have been, but the historical record clearly and indisputably proves that there was a conspiracy afoot to inundate this country with non-European immigrants. To call it anything else is simply dishonest. And at any rate, nothing that you’ve said so far proves that there wasn’t a conspiracy. I have no problem accepting that Ted Kennedy and others may have been acting from sincerely held “anti-racist” impulses, and that some conservatives in their attempt to shore up their position may have advocated an amendment to the new law that actually ended up working against their what they intended to achieve, because neither of these facts does anything to undermine my position that the 1965 Immigration Act was principally the result of a conspiracy.
Obviously he does not intend to make the West into a military force that will oppose Russia, Putin is not strong compared to the West . The internal effects on the West are going to be a much faster demographic ellipse of indigenous Europeans and and indigenous anti-replacement nationalist organisation will become the main target of the massive anti terrorism legal powers and surveillance capabilities the state is acquiring, supposedly to fight jihadists.
Westerners will be living in a digital Panopticon
Misleading people is Sean’s specialty. Most of Unz.com’s veteran commenters know to ignore him.
I don’t doubt they said it – my point is pro-immigration shills have always said that but the proof of the pudding is in the eating – what they said they wanted was clearly a lie because a) the people saying it never did anything about native skills and b) the vast majority of immigrants have been low-skilled.
It’s like them saying it’s about low birth rates when over the decades they’ve said it they never once suggested pro-natal policies.
It’s always been a scam
Note that in Bentham’s Panopticon, the watched inmates are in cells, and therefore their behavior is largely restricted and confined already. The digital Panopticon similarly will operate on an increasingly internet addicted population whose behavior will already be largely restricted and confined due to its attachment to the internet:
http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/internet-pushes-media-use-more-8-hours-day-165067
Citizen: Wait, why is this happening?
Shill: I don’t know. Rich people are stupid or something.
Citizen: That doesn’t make sen-
Shill: Conspiracy Theorist! Genocidal Jew Hater!
While the state is certainly acquiring these powers I cannot imagine them focusing on nativist movements, the order would be ignored, because security force workers broadly identify as conservative, and are quite traditionalist or libertarian by instinct.
They occasionally scour over the most extreme elements but groups like UKIP and the Front National cannot be designated as legitimate targets.
This is a culture war and the security forces are neutral actors.
On the other hand, I do fully agree with you that just the possibility of total surveillance causes people to cage themselves; but the security forces play a minor role in the popular imagining of surveillance. People’s own friends on Facebook loom larger.
Without Putin Assad would have been looking for a settlement years ago. The gains made by the opposition, which include defectors from his own army, had reached a tipping point by June. He is an Alawite against 80% of the country and attrition means he can’t win. You can bet when this is over the Alawites will be coming to the West. That is Putins secret weapon, he can create millions of refugees safe in the knowledge that no one wants to live in his country, certainly none of the commenters here would. Putin is keeping a futile war going, which may destabilise whole populations in the Middle East, who will also head to the West.A Thirty Years’ War? by Martin van Creveld.
Putin’s interfering provided Merkel with the wedge to bring in a rapid replacement level of immigration. How is Putin helping Western nationalism ?
This is such a strange narrative. Assad may be an Alawite but he’s married to a Sunni and ‘only a handful of members of Assad’s 30-strong cabinet (I was told two) are Alawite. The prime minister is Sunni, as are the interior minister, the justice minister, the foreign minister, even the defence minister.’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10770311/Syria-As-the-bombs-fall-the-people-of-Damascus-rally-round-Bashar-al-Assad.html
Why does he need the Russians then?
“You can bet when this is over the Alawites will be coming to the West. ”
That would be far more likely if Assad’s regime fell and victorious Islamists started genociding the Alawites and other minorities.
And I never claimed that Putin “is helping Western nationalism” (and why should he? His responsibility is Russia’s wellbeing, not ours)…I just don’t see how Russia’s intervention in Syria is making things worse than they are, let alone that its reason is some plot to destabilize Europe with refugees.
Maybe the tens of thousands of zealous foreign jihadists, or the rather tricky nature of urban warfare against irregulars or the fact that IS in Syria is a small branch of the very well established IS in Iraq?
The Iraqi Army represents the majority of Iraqis but it controls a smaller percentage of the population than does the Syrian Army in Syria, and the Syrians have so far done it without incessant American support.
Who knows, we can infer anything, but the constitution of Assad’s government remains mostly Sunni.
Syria is a country of 22 million, which was a ruthless security state and had an air force and heavy weapons. It is ludicrous to suggest a 10,000 fighters with infantry weapons could arrive in the country, kick the army out of major cities and lay siege Assad in the most densely populated area of the country of Aleppo. The army officers who ordered the opening fire on demonstrations were were 80% Alawite:_
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_uprising_phase_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
It’s not a plot to destabilise the West because Putin has more pressing things to worry about, but he is greasing the skids to the end of indigenous Europe nonetheless. The refugees cannot be stopped until the war is over and so far Russia had given asylum to a grand total of 3 Syrians (though he is definitely facilitating the refugees heading for Norway through Russia There are 9000 refugees arriving in Europe every five days.
That was a long time ago. The choice for a reasonable Sunni Syrian is no longer between the FSA and the SSA but between the Jihadists and the SSA. Civil wars obviously have polarising effects and Assad has clearly picked up a lot of on the fence support.
Like IS did to the Iraqi Army in Mosul? Anyway there are a lot more than ten thousand and yes many of them are local. They have also been supported quite well by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and doubtless others. In the end they fight for God and Assad’s Sunni soldiers fight for the lesser of two evils. A situation that rather benefits the Jihadists.
Assad lacks the population base, which is why he is getting men form outside the country His Lebanese Hezbollah allies have quit from exhaustion, and he is backed by Iranian infantry, Russian aircraft and ISIS where it attacks the FSA (as in June around the key Aleppo positions, same last month). ISIS gets effectively support for offensives against the FSA from Assad and the Russians, which US intelligence have noted , and Turkey is allowing ISIS supply routes to stay open letting it grow, while hitting the Kurds.
The idea that the FSA are not the majority of the effectives is silly in view of them being a match for all these forces.They have the numbers and with backing from the Gulf cannot be defeated, and they will never accept Assad. The only way to end the war is for Assad to agree to a settlement, and he will not do that while Russia supports him. Russia is keeping this war going, and the refugees flowing.
The FSA barely exist outside of the Southern Front.
There are a million other equally good reasons to get men from outside of the country. This shows nothing.
In the end we can go round and round discussing this because open source information is so vague and propaganda riven as to be useless.
Except that I have clearly shown that the top individuals in Assad’s administration are Sunnis, as is his wife.
The simple truth is that many Sunni clans/tribes are actually quite related to Assad and the Alawites and quite unrelated to the Sunnis in the opposition. Religion is only the catalyst to ethnic conflict and is confused for the cause because it often correlates with it; but the correlation is far from perfect and many Sunnis find themselves on the more Alawite side of the divide.
The Russians would not be there unless Assad really needed them.
If Assad was doing adequately without the Russians then this intervention is risk free for them.
If he was doing badly then this intervention is very high risk.
You can work out the rest!
Anyway, you may speak very well, but if I have to take your guesses based on the very poor reporting of the military conflict versus the very real fact that Assad is surrounded by Sunni advisors then I’ll go with the very real fact.
Also, I still owe you a description of the workings of the information surveillance state, although I’m pretty sure I’d just be summarising Snowden, so I need to concentrate on that.
The rigging of the gold, silver, LIBOR, and FX markets would be an easy one, lol!
brilliant article. So many excellent meta-concepts. Not that I agree with everything you said, and you missed some major ideas. But very good.
First, the idea that mass immigration is a core concept in neoliberalism: YES! That is such an important idea and one that the Dissident Right cannot seem to articulate. I think much of the dissident right is coming to understand this fact (that immigration is neoliberal), but they cannot or will not outright say so.
Second, the idea that mass immigration degrades democracy and helps the elite consolidate their power. So important an idea. Diversity is strength for the elite because heterogeneity (diversity) degrades unity of the electorate. A disunited and fragmented electorate is less able to control its own government, thus allowing Big Money to better control it (see Dr Fresia’s bo0k Toward An American Revolution and Dr Holton’s book Unruly Americans).
Third, the idea that mass immigration is a tool for the elite to use to degrade the social welfare support net. This is an idea taboo in dissident right dogma. As mass immigration increases, the social safety net degrades, making the populace more exploitable for Big Money.
But you are missing a couple of big concepts:
1) mass immigration is being used by the elite to prop up the eternal-growth, debt-based ponzi scheme economy. Mass immigration is vital to growth in the West, especially america. If the majority of americans could stop mass immigration, the ponzi scheme would falter, and the “debt increase machine” would falter, which would kill off this pseudo-economy they have created. It is like a shark that cannot sleep–once it stops, it collapses. Mass immigration is the last ditch tool used by Big Money to keep this economy rolling.
2) Propaganda is crucial to this regime. Propaganda creates the SJWs, who act then as ideological cannon fodder, carriers of elite propaganda. Just as propaganda created the commie-haters in america in the 1950s, etc. SJWs are created young, via propaganda in the educational curriculum. Anti-white multiculturalist propaganda in school molds and shapes young white minds in the West and especially in america (the rest of the West is just now catching up to america). This is the long game of Big Money–inserting anti-white multiculturalist propaganda into the educational curriculum and thus creating self-loathing adult whites –riddled with white guilt–who are later used to manufacture consent for more mass immigration and integration of nonwhites and third worlders into the workplace and neighborhoods. This started many decades ago. See Dr Roelofs’ book Foundations and Public Policy: The Mask of Pluralism; also see the online review of Saunders’ The Cultural Cold War (by, Petra or Wolf, cannot remember).
But really, quite good, especially for someone as young as you seem to be.
I have encountered individuals such as you before. Your key method is to request a standard of proof from the non-government theories which is tens of times higher than the standard of proof required for government’s own conspiracy theories. Obviously, I divide all explanations about major events into non-government conspiracy theories and government’s own conspiracy theories. To give you just one example, it is a pure government conspiracy theory that Pres. Kennedy was shot by a lone gunman from a great distance, who was even a bad shot, who was then promptly shot by another lone gunman etc. That is the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I have ever come across. Yet, it derives its 53-year staying power simply from the authority of the one who delivered it – the US Government.
To remove this authoritative bias, I propose to people is to reverse the owners of competing explanations – imagine for a moment that the two conspiracy theories came from opposite sources, which one is a better explanation then. BTW, this is a standard method of analytics to remove one of the possible analytical biases.
Since the facts are so easily manipulated, and the regimes spout lies like there is no tomorrow, our only tool in deciding what is reality is our own brain and its capability to derive the balance of probabilities between alternative explanations. To be objective, we must not give the regime’s version any extra points just because its explanations come from the Government investigative bodies, police and blah blah. These are all servants of the regime and they will always say what is good for their careers inside the establishment.
But characters such as you will always take the regime’s “facts” as established facts. This is really why there is no discussion with people such as you, because people like you are the slaves of the “authority”.
May I suggest that since the majority of the “moderate rebels” are foreign mercenaires paid for by Saudi Arabia and trained by Israel (by the same people who trained Sean) and US, the Dark Alliance does not deserve any extra moralistic points because Assad allowed in the Iranians and the Palestinians (Hezbollah) to help him fight these foreign mercenaires.
It is just another propaganda talking point of the Dark Alliance for the consumption by the domestic cattle in the Western countries, in a miserable attempt to gain some high moral ground.
I do not believe that you believe your suggestion. I also know definitively that one of those statements is incorrect.
This seems fair enough, though the language is very overblown.
“I also know definitively that one of those statements is incorrect.”
I wonder which one you consider to know “definitely” to be wrong, are you a sock puppet of Sean? Or are you claiming that ISIS (most), Al Nusra (most) and FSA (some) do not have foreign mercenaires?
There are US and Israeli advisers/special forces on the ground in Syria with some of the moderate terrorist, let alone foreign mercenaires. It is just a repeat of Libya, except for the Russian Airforce this time.
If it were just me, you’d have a point. I linked to a book containing meticulous research on this topic. You chose to ignore it. That’s your choice. (I can take the horse to the water, but can’t make it drink.) Lots of people believe in conspiracy theories, and lots of people don’t. It all depends on who trusts whom, not what evidence supports what theory.
If you start from the base assumption that someone is lying, especially a dispersed and amorphous entity like a government, you can come up with all sorts of bits and pieces of evidence to lend credence to your assertions of conspiracy. Yet if you let go of your base assumption for an instant, your theory will collapse.
No doubts governments, or their spokespeople lie now and then. An example related to the NSA snooping scandal was presented above, where a spokesman had to retract his earlier assertion. You may call it a conspiracy, but eventually the facts got out after some grilling. On the other hand, if things like the Kennedy assassination or 9/11 were really conspiracies, why hasn’t a single piece of credible evidence or witness appeared before the world yet? Do you realize that such a massive cover up over such a large place and time requires the willing cooperation of thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of people, all of who remain mum for a period of decades. You may find such a scenario plausible; I don’t.
You can keep living with your conspiracy theories. I guess to people like you it serves as an ego boost. You come to think of yourself as a good and righteous person who is being preyed upon by evil bureaucrats and capitalists. What you don’t see is that it corrodes the nature of your government, the very nature of your society even. And that is a much worse form of corruption than some politician receiving kickbacks. But hey, if it gets you through the day….
Good point.
He is a victim of many things, but like medieval townsfolk blaming ‘witches’ for the plague he fails to find the real cause(s) because they are too complex for him to understand. Perhaps if our countries allowed genuinely open dialogue on matters related to race, ethnicity and so on then the general discourse would be more rational?
“You may call it a conspiracy, but eventually the facts got out after some grilling.”
So, once exposed, a conspiracy — poof! — is no longer and never was a conspiracy?
Were the lies secretly concocted and then publicly told to justify war on Iraq (e.g., Powell’s UN speech) not aspects of a conspiracy?
Did you believe at the time the lies used to wage war on Iraq?
Were those of us who didn’t “conspiracy theorists”?
Answers, please, not insults or sophistic evasion.
Heh, something she has in common with the late American neo-Nazi leader, William Pierce.
I think this unraveling of civilization is metaphysical, which for reductionists can be mistaken for a conspiracy. The actors facilitating the destruction of civilization are forces for evil and therefore appear to be working in concert. The biblical admonition of how not to act in the end times (e.g., like a chickenshit) prior to the thousand years of darkness is exactly how good people are acting. Starting with me. Maybe in another time and place I’d be brave and stand up for the good and for civilization. But in this time and place I have to worry about my career, paying my bills, and planning my retirement. I can’t be so reckless as to express my opinions in public or even not express approval of civilizationally-destructive diversity crap in my own workplace.
According to Assange the recent exodus of waves of Syrian refugees is a deliberate policy carried out by the opponents of the Assad regime. He terms it a policy of “strategic depopulation”. So things are really not as spontaneous as they may seem at first glance.
The internet is probably awash with all sorts of trolling for one reason or another. Sometimes I suspect some commenters try to discredit certain columnists by pretending to agree with them but then go into some rant about something or other, thus creating a form of guilt by association. Others are more subtle and appear reasonable enough but insert spin here and there to influence opinions. Conspiracies exist, the government itself has said so. Generally there’s a recognition of commonalities of interest so nothing needs to be spelled out, it’s just understood. The conspiratorial part takes place when specifics need to be hammered out such as in cases of price fixing, how things are to be divided up, staging of false flag incidents, etc.
I believe it is conclusively proven that Oswald was the lone gunman. I don’t believe it has been proven that the Soviets or the Soviet client state of Cuba had nothing to do with the assassination. Oswald’s political beliefs were well documented, as was his affinity for the Soviets, so inferring his motive is not at all difficult. And I also think that the U.S. Government would have a terrific incentive for obscuring the participation of foreign actors, particularly so soon after turning back from the brink of nuclear war. If direct Soviet/Cuban involvement were shown to the public, it would be an undeniable casus belli – either precipitating a chain of events which would in all likelihood set off a nuclear exchange, or accept the precedent that the U.S. would not respond to an act of outrageous Communist aggression (and invite further and escalating acts of aggression). One can see how the various and much more outlandish conspiracy theories would be helpful in misdirecting the attentions of the public.
Well, I have read that at the time there was criticism of the proposed policy on precisely that basis – that it would alter the demographic balance of the United States, while its proponents made assurances that it would not. Subsequently, it has become undeniable that it has. In any other context you would call this a clear fraud – particularly when the very thing against which the assurances were given was happening with no response.
This is absolutely correct. Mass immigration is QE for the meat-space. It is the attempted printing of fiat-people rather than fiat-money, and it derives from the same (wrong) theoretical foundations, is pushed by the same people with the same motivations, and results in equally disastrous consequences.
Similarly, from the point of view of the source countries (e.g. Mexico), immigration follows the “export-land model,” only what is being exported, in this case, is slave labor rather than oil. Mexico’s elites sell off the country’s only remaining asset at an increasingly frenetic pace in order to provide financial support for the regime.
Alec,
You are not very well informed, I would suggest beginning your education with James Douglass’s “JFK and the Unspeakable”.
Would the attempt to get US ground forces involved in Syria with the fake gassing done by Turkish agents count?
I believe everybody calling it a false flag operation were derided as nuts while insane McCain was pounding the war drums and everybody pushing Obama for action. I would be that more than a few people in the US knew what really went on and kept beating the war drums.
Yellowcake for dessert, anyone?
Anatoly, you could have killed one more bird with that stone if, when you had said: “and those “radical” (as in, who remember their roots – their radix) ” you had substituted “radicle” for “radical”, since radicle is the part of the seed that grows into the root.
Two planes take down three towers – don’t need much more proof then that.
Denying proof as a way of life is the mark of a closet drinker.
As he worked for the CIA.
I’ve been to Dealey Plaza, and the official line the government put out is a running joke. “A right handed shooter(shooting out a thick walled window to his right) waiting for the moving target to get more than a hundred yards away – instead of shooting when the target was right in front of him- using an open iron sighted surplus rifle that he never practiced with, and getting away with it for days all the while he was under the nose of CIA officials.”
Never laughed so hard in my life.
The target was basically stationary, moving away from him in a straight line. The grassy knoll had the more difficult shot, with the target moving from left to right across the field of vision. How on earth could Oswald have gotten away with it for days if he was arrested the same day? If he was the CIA’s patsy why would they let him get away with it for days? If he was the CIA’s killer, why did they have him use a crappy gun he didn’t practice with?
“and not denied by the government either”
Except under oath in front of Congress.
“the fact that the U.S. government was snooping had been known for years”
While technically true, this is evasive. We know, for instance, that our government runs secret wars around the globe, but we don’t always know which wars where. Should it be revealed tomorrow that we incited the Ukrainian civil war and are currently propping up our side with weapons, spooks, and special forces I’m certain some people would respond, “Big deal, we already knew that. What is the CIA for, anyway?”
We knew the NSA spies on us. That’s one of their jobs. You can buy whole books about the laws they’ve broken, or the initiative they’ve taken if you’re being generous, across generations. Much of what Snowden revealed was similar to previous revelations, around 2006 or so I seem to remember something. But did we know about PRISM, specifically? Did we really know the extent? Or was the hullabaloo about nothing?
“the people authorized such projects through the Patriot Act”
Did they? Is that like how the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution authorized war against Cambodia? I’d like to read the section of the Patriot Act authoring the mass, warrantless surveillance talked about in the Snowdon revelations.
Not that they’d follow the letter of the act. I’m sure it was looked on as a loose guideline and vague inspiration for most snoopers. But why would they need a law to do that, if they’re not gonna go by the law anyway? They needed something to appease the secret court judges? Maybe, but then I wonder what this has to do with the people, meaning us, who allowed the Patriot Act to pass?
“nationalism is also the greatest threat to oligarchic power”
Nonsense. Nationalism is the greatest means of concentrating power yet discovered by man. Who forged the tools now used by the internationalists? The nation state. Mass, unrestricted immigration to the would-be “new world order” is but a repeat of the very same strategy by which feudalism was brought down (the king or some nobles appealing to the people over the heads of other nobles) and the bourgeois state in some places (a revolutionary vanguard appealing to masses over the heads of the middle class)?
That’s precisely what nationalism was: the flooding of the plains of power by common people. It just so happened they used to have things in common, which supposedly bound them together as a nation. Nowadays the masses are everyone in the world, or at least the poor and otherwise distressed parts.
Did you ever watch HBO’s Oz? The show featured a panopticonic cell block in a maximum security prison run by a bleeding heart do-gooder. It was an abysmal failure, as would be expected.
“it probably isn’t such a great idea to import millions of 80 IQ Third Worlders …”
Nobody is that stupid. Nobody believes that those violent retards are going to provide Europeans’ pensions in years to come. Recognise this for what it is: The systematic destruction of European ethnicity and social cohesion undertaken by NWO globalists..
On behalf of the worldwide NWO shadow council, I have a message for Europeans:
Hahahaha, go fuck yourselves cucks!!!
I don’t get this idea of democratic degradation. Democracy is democracy, whatever form it’s in. There’s nothing magical about the concept. More people voting is not less democratic, somehow. Nor is stupider people voting. Surely immigrants water down the vote, as would adding any population, for instance by lowering the age requirements. But if you don’t like to that, your alternative isn’t getting back to democracy. You have democracy in both directions. What you must realise is that democracy isn’t a good in itself, and often is the enemy.
I agree with your line of reasoning, but is there any evidence they suppressed foreign connections, or didn’t look hard enough? Any actual evidence, I mean. Also, the rationale for avoiding nuclear war, is that tenable for everyone in power at the time? I mean, how often was fate tempted? We were in actual shooting wars with Russia at various times, for instance in the skies above Korea. Would J. Edgar Hoover, for instance, sit on evidence because he was afraid of WWIII? (Assuming he wasn’t in on it.)
The “just went nuts for a few weeks” hypothesis is a bit thin. That’s a bit like the “twinkie” defense once employed with success, if I recall correctly in an American criminal trial.
Occam’s razor could assist us here. A leader of a major world economic power just doesn’t fly to Turkey to negotiate free access for 70 million Turks to Europe in the midst of an existential threat from mass immigration from a different set of Muslims because she is on some kind of an emotional bender. It’s deception in service not to reducing the flow but to increasing it.
Well if that’s the case, On behalf of the worldwide NWO shadow council, I have a message for Europeans:
I’m very sorry, Mr.Cuck.
What can I say, you ignore all arguments I wrote and you finish with a pearl:
“What you don’t see is that it (meaning the conspiracy theory) corrodes the nature of your government, the very nature of your society even.”
Thus, you confirm exactly what I wrote – that you (and many people like you) are the willing slaves of authority. As you wrote, it is more important to preserve the precious bodily fluids of the government, to paraphrase your illustrious leader Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper, then to get to the truth of the important events or to try to understand the shadow government.
You: hail authority, hail authority, hail authority… all the while bending like a Muslim to Allah. What a good model citizen. You should be rewarded – here is a doggy bone for you.
It is a real shame that one character with a couple of sock puppets manages to diverge the discussion here from the very relevant analysis of Anatoly Karlin.
Let me make one very small contribution. I live in a multi-cultural nation. It is also called a nation of tribes. There is no horizontal communication between the tribes. Almost all of the communication is top-down (vertical), as mentioned, there is virtually no peer-to-peer (horizontal) communication. And this is exactly why the authorities love multi-culturalism – the nation stands divided, fractionalized.
Multiculturalism is clearly not a natural state of the human society, it is a recent construct.
Simply, multiculturalism is a communications, command and control mechanism or C3 in a post-modern society. Globalism is its master version. It is all about power of the “elites”. The fight is on between the Western elite’s model of multiculturalism and the Russian and Chinese model of a sovereign national state. The two models are pretty much exclusive of each other, they cannot co-exist peacefully. Let us see which model wins, even though we know well that the Western elite plays very dirty, desperately trying to co-opt the Russian and the Chinese “elite” into its model.
One explanation for the demonization of Putin in the West is because he is a conservative Russian nationalist, a barrier to the Russian oligarchs, who are the multiculturalists (members of the World Jewish Oligarchy International). For example, the US, EU, Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs talk to each other and coordinate (for example, re. Khodorkovsky) as if national borders never existed.
Yep, and the moment Snowden proved it, the very same MSM columnists, journos, etc. who dismissed it all as conspiracy theory started saying “Well, we all knew that was happening… open secret, old news.”
The target was moving down a curvy road, and point being – it was moving. And, the video clearly shows JFK getting hit from the front, in addition to the doctor who did the original autopsy claimed to the back of the head was an exit wound – had to get a military doctor who took orders to change the story.
The Magic Bullet shot has been replicated and the experimental shot did indeed produce all six wounds attributed to it.
The official story is a conspiracy by AQ to fly two planes into two towers.
So the official story is saying there are conspiracies and they sometimes work.
(although how two planes can destroy three towers is still a mystery)
It’s not a mystery. Building 7 was severely damaged by falling debris and had been on fire for hours before it failed. Plus, the whole area had been seismically destabilized by the collapse of the first two towers.
The only mystery here is that the truthers continue to propound their bizarre theories after 14 years. Look, I don’t like or trust the US government either, but there are other evil forces in the world besides them.
It is difficult (impossible) to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it! Upton Sinclair
The target was moving no matter who shot it. The salient point is that it was most stationary (in a practical, not literal sense) from Oswald’s position.
I don’t know about the doctor, but notice how all the (corrobarated) evidence against Oswald being the shooter are the mistakes and inconsistencies of the investigation. Where’s the evidence against someone else? Also, you don’t hear too often pro-conspiracy types talk about the mountain of evidence for Oswald as the lone gunman. Unless it’s to say that evidence is fake.
“the video clearly shows…”
It’s not clear to me. And if the shot was from the front where were the shooter(s)? Why weren’t they seen? Where did they go? Why didn’t they leave any evidence? Why was there so much evidence left where Oswald didn’t kill anyone? Your answer to all of these would be, no doubt, it was covered up. But there’s no good evidence of a coverup, and if I believe in one for no reason (aside from the film supposedly showing a frontal shot and a conspiracy being more dramatic), why believe anything anyone tells me about history? It could all be a lie.
Thankyou, MarkinLA for introducing the concept of the “false flag” as you have. A quick google search for “false flag”should suggest that “conspiracy” by
non/government agents is likely in many, not all, cases. Incidentally, failure to substantiate this or that instance of conspiracy does not invalidate other examples of “conspiracy”. Frankly, i cannot believe that some commentators seemingly can not accept that ANY conspiracies” exist.
Re: refugee crisis in EU/Syria. Why is Turkey rarely mentioned in this context? Essentially, at one point you have 100’s of thousands of refugees sitting in Turkey, the next point those same thousands are in rubber boats on their way to the EU. Are we actually expected to believe that such a mass exodus occurred without the consent or contriviance of the Turkish government? Are we to believe that the VAST logistics necessary to such population movements was merely spontaneous ?
If you are looking for a conspiracy i think this refugee crisis will be fertile ground.
( Not that thevTurksvare entirely to blame:
The irony!
You have started so well…
…yet finish so crazy. Explain why Putin is moderately pro-Israel, good friends with Jewish oligarchs like Roman Abramovich and clearly enjoys the genuine cultural ties Russia has with Ashkenazim.
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Not that the Turks are entirely to blame: i am at a complete loss to understand WHY the EU allowed this tragedy to occur. No thought of humanitarian aid to Turkey etc to stabilise the refugee crisis in-situ ? Perhaps there is a NWO conspiracy at play: stupidity on this scale is incomprehensiblle….although….given the EU’s apparent willingness to shoot itself in the arse over the Russia sanctions absurdity, anything is believable.(However, if you believe that the EU’s “best interests”are served by its sycophantic, shaming, greedy, gutless submission to
U.S directives, then the refugee crisis DOES make somekind of sense…)
As for Russia, its motives and actions are as transparent as the actions etc of any government. Russia has significant (direct and indirect) interests in an Assad Syria.
Syria is a long established ally. Russia has economic, strategic and diplomatic interests to maintain. Sure, there are a multitude of other matters suseptible to theories of conspiracy–but, the foundations of Russia’s actions are logical and valid. Russia is in Syria LEGALLY. Its actually doing what it said it would do: liquidate the “terrorists” in Syria….( for terrorist, read proxy mercenary/jihadist pychotic, cynical manic enemies of Assad and tools of Western imperialism…..oh dear !! That’s another conspiracy theory ! )
{Not that the Turks are entirely to blame:}
Not entirely, but mostly.
Israel wants Syria to dissolve as a viable state, so there will be no legal claimant for the Golan Heights. Neocons in the West are helping them (via US, UK, France,….)
Sunni Saudis hate Shias: Alawites of Syria (Assad’s clan) are an offshoot of Shia.
Sunni Turks (Erdogan) also hate non-Sunni: Alawites in Syria and Alevi in Turkey.
Turkey also wants to steal more Syrian land, so wants Syria to become a failed state.
As to the “refugees”: as seen in pictures, 80%-90% are single, young, healthy men.
What Turks are doing by this planned invasion of Europe is very clever:
The age old dream of nomad Muslim Turks, who established themselves in Asia Minor after wiping out the indigenous Christian populations – Armenians, Assyrians, Pontic Greeks, etc – is to Islamize Christian Europe. They failed militarily at the Gates of Vienna, so this a backdoor way to Islamize Europe.
What is amazing to watch is that not only Europeans are not putting up a resistance, but sold-out Euro leaders are actually helping Turks screw them.
Pretty low-rent stuff for Unz.
“2. The age old dream of nomad Muslim Turks, who established themselves in Asia Minor after wiping out the indigenous Christian populations – Armenians, Assyrians, Pontic Greeks, etc – is to Islamize Christian Europe. They failed militarily at the Gates of Vienna, so this a backdoor way to Islamize Europe.”
Jesus Fucking Christ Fucking Muhammed.
How many times will this ridiculous lie be repeated? Turks aren’t actually turks. They’re not descended from the nomadic warrior elite (who brought the turkish language to anatolia). Yes, they did oppress the christians, but most probably themselves were former converted christians. Almost all of them.
“Not entirely, but mostly.
Israel wants Syria to dissolve as a viable state, so there will be no legal claimant for the Golan Heights. Neocons in the West are helping them (via US, UK, France,….)
Sunni Saudis hate Shias: Alawites of Syria (Assad’s clan) are an offshoot of Shia.
Sunni Turks (Erdogan) also hate non-Sunni: Alawites in Syria and Alevi in Turkey.
Turkey also wants to steal more Syrian land, so wants Syria to become a failed state.”
Nothing that Erdogan is doing has anything to do with the Alevis. Some Turkish vs Kurdish political grandstanding is going on (noticed the attacks on PKK and the dearth of attacks on ISIS or islamist militias? yup) but it didn’t work, so now he’s preparing for serious election setbacks. He’s sent his son to Italy as insurance, in case of a coup. The alevis don’t figure anywhere in this set of events.
There isn’t even that much of a connection between syrian alawites and alevis.
Stop talking out of your ass.
{ Jesus Fucking Christ Fucking Muhammed.}
{Stop talking out of your ass.}
I am glad you posted your endearing words and high praise for yours truly on the widely read UNZ.com.
You are a shining example of the descendants of savage Turkic nomads from Uyguristan.
Don’t keep it to yourself: let it all out; let all the readers of UNZ.com get to know a real Turk.
And it’s no lie: it is fact.
[Ahmet Davutoglu, who has become the first Turkish foreign minister ever to visit Uighur Autonomous Region in China, toured historical sites in Kashgar city. Davutoglu and an accompanying Turkish delegation arrived early Thursday in Kashgar in the extreme west of China and the extreme southwest of Uighur region. Davutoglu first visited the tomb of Mahmud Kashgari and then they toured the tomb of Yusuf Has Hajib as well the 500-year-old Id Khah Mosque, the largest mosque in China.
“We are visiting the land of our ancestors,” Davutoglu said.] (October 2010)
One more for you to read and contemplate, as soon as you stop foaming at the mouth with anger.
Not from an Armenian, but a Turk:
[We have corrupt DNA]
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/we-have-corrupt-dna.aspx?pageID=238&nID=66875&NewsCatID=469
{Our genes must have gone through mutations while we were traveling on horseback from Central Asia to Anatolia. It’s a long ride. Something must have gone wrong along the way. I think we are mutant Turks. Like Ninja turtles. We are like a lab accident.}
Remember now: a Turk wrote that.
And not some ordinary Turk.
Actually the editor of a nationalist Turk newspaper, the Hürriyet daily news.
Have a great day.
And don’t get too upset that your ancestors are Uyguroğlar: it’s not your fault.
Looking forward to your next outburst: most entertaining.
even 1 second of freefall acceleration = controlled demolition
so whatever the truth about the rest of 9/11 – and for all i care the rest of the official story may be true – wtc7 was obviously wired for demolition before the attack.
No, but Martin van Creveld says some influential Israelis are hoping for a general war and the disolution of states in the region so they can expel the palestinains
Davutoglu can visit the moon for all it matters, doesn’t mean I came from the moon.
Hogwash. The “free fall” argument is one of the most ridiculous and physically inept tropes of the whole truther movement. First of all, anything that is falling, no matter why or how it started falling, will fall at “free fall” speed. That’s why it’s called the acceleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s^2). This acceleration is the same for any object at or near the surface of the earth. What other speed would you expect Building 7 to fall at?
Secondly, you need to measure the time it takes for the building to collapse from the point of failure, not from the top of the building. The lower floors of the WTC were still crumbling 25 seconds after the failure began, which is hardly “free fall” speed.
Get a grip, they’ve been expelling Palestinians since 1948, it’s called drawing borders.
Nope – not if there’s any resistance and the idea that all resistance in a building can sheer at the same time without a controlled demolition – not a chance – or for a building that was being held up by one last piece of support before it broke not having some collapse before that last piece broke – not a chance.
Whatever the truth about the rest of the story WTC7 was clearly a controlled demolition.
(You can even see how they blew the central supports first so it would collapse inwards.)
Sure, you only blow out a cross section, the upper part falls at freefall until the bottom of that piece hits the lower section and the weight of the falling section crushes the lower section – that’s how it’s done. The free fall part is just the time before the bottom of the top segment hits the top of the lower segment cos that’s the only time when there is zero resistance.
No: you didn’t come from the Moon.
I have no idea where you came from.
But your ancestors came from Uyguristan.
You are a descendant of Uyguroğlar nomads.
If you are living in Asia Minor, you are illegally squatting on the lands of my ancestors.
You do not belong there.
That’s all there is to it.
Don’t forget about the ancestors of the Greeks and Assyrians.
Well then, I’m sorry. You’re always welcome to live in my house and be my neighbor, although I doubt you or your family every lived in the vicinity of Trabzon, where my family is from. If you want to take your land back violently, stop jerking your dick off on various propaganda sites, and put together an army and come and take it.
Until then, there’s nothing I can do for you.
Not sure if you realize it, but where you live is actually called Trebizond. It is where the Pontic Greeks lived for over a millennia before your people “took it,” as you put it.
Judging by how recent events are unfolding, an army may not be required.
He has a new post in which, after he gives an enlightening historical overview, he ends with
I would have to modify my view that Israel has no motive to support Daesh although not for Israel’s territorial aggrandisement, it’s for getting rid of the Palestinians once and for all. There was a fear that the Gulf war was going to be used for that purpose by Israel and they were asked for assurances about it by Jordan I think.
Still foaming at mouth with impotent anger ?
You seem to have an obsession with various organs below the belt: no wonder.
Once a nomad, always a nomad.
Visit your family ? why would I want to live in a Yurt ?
And we will do what is necessary when we are good and ready.
And don’t be too confident Türkoğlu: our guys in Artsakh KIA 37,000 Turkic invaders and various Islamist terrorists in 1991-1994.
Sadly our side lost 6,000 heroic warriors KIA.
A very healthy kill-ratio of 6-to-1 in our favour.
And we are working to better that ratio.
After the invading goons were shredded, our guys very impolitely asked the illegal nomad squatters of our lands to vacate and go away.
Which they did.
Same thing will happen in due time for Western Armenia.
But we will wait for Kurds/PKK to bleed you Turkic nomads first; and for Alevis vs Sunnis, Kemalists vs Islamists to, you know, have some fun.
Then we’ll see.
Am I the only one who is enjoying this theatre between Avery and Kamran, two trolls, and probably the same person?
You might be the only one as most of us likely have both on the CTI list.
In light of how van Creveld ends that piece, it’s readily understandable that Jordan is on board with the Russian campaign in Syria. They know they need all the friends they can get.
Fixating on Barbara Lerner Spectre, who is a nobody, and ignoring the most prominent people alive, like e.g. Richard Branson, Bono, Benedict Cumberbatch, makes it look like normal Whites are right about the authors here.
@JThatcher
Barbara Spectre is indeed fairly irrelevant but Coudenhove-Kalergi wasn’t as he was one of the spiritual founders of the European Union. Look up his “plan”. Then consider that far from being a nobody, the European Union offers the Coudenhove-Kalergi Award every year and Merkel is a recent winner.
Then think of Peter Sutherland, head of UN migration who says NZ, Canada, Australia, USA etc have all accepted their status as “countries for everyone” whereas narrow-minded Europeans “cling to the myth of homogeneity”.
This guy is a long term member of the Bilderberg steering committee and during the refugee crisis comes on the television and radio saying they will be great for the economy as they have supposedly proved to be time and time again.
Not only refugees but apparently “migrants should be choosing states” and European countries who insist on only skilled migrants must change to allow every African in. Sounds ridiculous? It’s here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395
Still bothered about Bono and Cumberbatch?