Open Thread 111

This week’s open thread.

Anatoly Karlin is a transhumanist interested in psychometrics, life extension, UBI, crypto/network states, X risks, and ushering in the Biosingularity.


Inventor of Idiot’s Limbo, the Katechon Hypothesis, and Elite Human Capital.


Apart from writing booksreviewstravel writing, and sundry blogging, I Tweet at @powerfultakes and run a Substack newsletter.


  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. another anon says

    Yay open thread 😉
    If you needed to know how is Anatoly Karlin’s trial before Russian Patriotic Inquisition going, it is going badly.

    Despite all explanations, despite all his lifelong internet patriotic activism, his name is still on the list, and is going to stay there.

    Why are Russian patriots so obssessed with British tabletop game that they make Harry Potter obssessed liberals look like boring normie mundanes?

    Why not?

    In the past, many popular urprisings and revolutions were inspired by music.
    This cannot be repeated now. We live in 21st century, where music is dead and games are the supreme works of art of our time.
    Just as one very popular and succesful patriotic movement of 20th century was inspired by Wagner operas, in our century we can look forward to great movement inspired by Games Workshop tabletops.
    It will be great and glorious.

  3. I am not worried that Russia will launch an aggressive military adventure, because I play against many Russian online chess players, and they are inclined to play what chess players call “quiet moves.” I am certainly not criticizing their expertise or intellect; they are formidable. But they eschew the risky or the impatient, compared with players from other countries, especially the US. I think there’s something telling about the culture in this. Mr. Pompeo, I know you have a team of Russia experts advising you, but if you are listening, please take this into account.

  4. Do you know what happened to Ciccerone on Twitter? Is he still there or did he get banned from Twitter for something?

  5. My “excommunication” was from a subcult (Twitter “kangz”) that I had never belonged to (my involvement with them extended to participation in a couple of podcasts), with a podcast that has <1,500 YouTube subscribers, that was affiliated to a minor subfaction (the Vendee) of the Russian nationalist ecosystem – or, had been, since a large group of other people in the Vendee had long been getting tired of their antics, and have since split away. Incidentally, the guy in the driving seat ("Rolo") amongst those "Inquisitors" is a Ukrainian/Russian-American who had prominent bylines in a couple of major Alt Right publications and communicates in typically American memes. So, not sure what relevance this has to anything.

  6. What are the odds that China will basically never catch up on chips, if it gets cut off from all foreign suppliers? I mean China is up against a moving target, and by the time it manages to master the current generation of chips, the world has moved on. Plus Xi Jinping rule may just end of ossifying China if he lives as long as Mugabe and hangs on to rule up until that time his he has basically gotten rid of all his rivals without a succession plan. I mean it has been decades and China still can’t build competitive cars that Europeans will want to buy. And their aircraft engines may just end up turning into vapor ware.

  7. Western cope.

  8. Blinky Bill says
  9. Never mind; I found him. I simply misspelled his name.

  10. AnonFromTN says

    Lives don’t matter, chaos does. Chicago is a good illustration of this.

    Last weekend – 70 shot, 10 of them killed
    July 13th weekend – 64 shot, 11 of them killed
    July 4th weekend – 87 shot, 17 of them killed

    What does the city do? You’d never guess. Two Columbus statues were just removed in Chicago. The city plans to review all monuments.
    That would sure solve the crime problem. If you doubt that, you are a racist.

  11. Blinky Bill says

    Relative to her level of per capita GDP, China has remarkable strength in high tech industries and government policy is pushing further in that direction.

  12. “Western cope.”

    Sorry, but I have not heard this expression or usage and do not understand it. The urban dictionary did not help me. Perhaps someone can help me please, Znzn made a very interesting comment, I would like to understand Anatoly’s concise reply to it.

  13. another anon says

    So, not sure what relevance this has to anything.

    The relevance is The Inquisition understands that true revolution is not about making podcasts, it is about making lists.

    Who will write the list, and who will end on the list? The future will show, but the Inquisitors are prepared for that day. 😉

  14. Lars Porsena says
  15. another anon says
  16. Blinky Bill says

    An example of “Western cope”.

    How China’s High Speed Rail network will eventually fail. It is inevitable!

  17. Kent Nationalist says

    You can take the Albanian thot out of Kosovo, but you can’t stop her from A U T O C H T H O N O U S posting

  18. for-the-record says

    Use a real dictionary. It’s not slang.

    Sorry, but your answer is not very helpful and I have to admit that as a native English speaker I was also baffled by the expression “Western cope”.

    The definitions you have cited refer to cope as a verb, so that “Western cope” is nonsensical.

    Now there is indeed a cope that is a noun, specifically “a long ecclesiastical vestment worn over an alb or surplice”, so that “Western cope” does actually potentially mean something, but I suspect this is not what AK was referring to.

    I am guessing that it is “pidgin” English for “the West will cope”.

  19. Considering that the CRH380 is basically a clone of the Seimens Velaro, the Chinese probably developed their Fuxing from there. As for Huawei, how much does it still rely on foreign tech, how much can the US lean on other countries to cut off Huawei’s foreign tech immediately? Their infrastructure costs are basically functions of economies of scale plus not having to work with rights of way and not having to do environmental impact assessments, I mean the US government can use eminent domain, but not in as politically flexible manner. That will throw a spanner in China’s chip industry for a long while, or maybe throw China out of SWIFT in order to throw China out of Western financial markets? China can replace that, but not without incurring some costs in the short run, or maybe impose impose Iranian style sanctions on China. I mean back in the 50s the US built the interstate system quite fast.
    I mean some Western government could probably achieve close to Chinese results if they had access to the political toolkits the Chinese have. I mean the people will say that there is no freedom in the West either, but for now, that really seems to be a no true Scotsman facily.

  20. I mean the Beijing will offer you a substantial amount cash if the railway will run over your house, but if you refuse to take the cash you cannot jam the process through the courts for years unlike the US.

  21. Blinky Bill says
  22. And to be frank, how long do you think people like Mike Whitney, Audacious Epigone, Jaako Raipala, Israel Shamir, or people like Dave Pinsen would last right now if they were Chinese, and they were to spew their conspiracy theories against Beijing, about how corona is a hoax, and Xi is an evil puppet master trying to spread corona lies to further CCP control, especially if they have some following like Unz? They would probably be in a hole right now where we can not find them, and Ron Unz would really just dissapear, instead of just having his website deranked on Baidu. Being able to have a government have such tools at its disposal would do wonders towards its efficacy in following through with government policy.

  23. Blinky Bill says
  24. This is a good booster. Good on them for working hydrogen on lower stages and not blowing up.
    It will be a valuable experience in the near future. Russia needs to get off their behinds, consolidate their launcher programs, and start building heavy and super heavy rockets.

  25. AnonFromTN says

    If you think that the credibility of the US presidential elections is undermined by the likely choice between a moron and a demented moron, think again.

    NCSC Director William Evanina officially stated that Russia, China, and Iran undermine its credibility, not the quality of the candidates.

    Who could have thought…

  26. Blinky Bill says
  27. Not Raul says

    kangz sounds like a bunch of autists that you wouldn’t even want to belong to.

    How are things going with SiP, VovaZh, & Roman Yuneman?

  28. Not Raul says

    I’m surprised that Poland is so low and Hungary is so high. The University of Warsaw has won the ICPC a few times.

  29. SiP is dead.
    They were talking about launching something similar but better. I think it just stayed idle talk.

  30. Philip Owen says

    This is the EU definition of High Tech where precision mechanics and chemistry is weighted strongly. The US prefers a slant to electronics and aerospace which also benefits the UK.

  31. Philip Owen says

    Huawei designs almost entirely originate from UK technology. Cambridge is to cell phones as Silicon Valley is to PC’s, even Apple’s. However the Cambridge design consultancies tend to sell off the IP. Qualcomm has bought a lot.

  32. I started watching the Russian Trotsky miniseries, it rocks.

    I had to edit a couple of subtitle files (the sex scenes were cut out of youtube), but these match the youtube, below:


    Youtube series

  33. China’s shipyards have launched the PLA Navy’s first two Type 075 amphibious assault ships, which will form the spearhead of an expeditionary force to play a role similar to that of the U.S. Marine Corps. And like the Marines, the new force will be self-contained – able to deploy solo with all its supporting weapons to fight in distant conflicts or demonstrate Chinese military power.

  34. Thulean Friend says

    Dua Lipa is an archetype of a young girl I see on all the time here. Many of them are pretty liberal 2nd gen girls who have exchanged religion for ethnic or performative identities. You’d get kurdish and turkish girls getting into verbal fights over some new development over there, all the while they are all dressed like the kardashians and many barely know their parent’s language anymore (or shabbily) while not really going to the mosque either.

    As it happens, her stance on many political issues is quite good. I was impressed on her pro-Palestinian activism, especially when such activism can often face severe backlash (see Roger Waters).

  35. Thulean Friend says

    SSC is back.

  36. yakushimaru says

    It is actually quite interesting considering how many of the Chinese top talents each year went to USA and basically never come back. And this “scene” has been ongoing for at least 3 decades now.

    It is remarkable the “second tier” can achieve so much.

  37. yakushimaru says

    but there are a number of quite famous cases now that some Chinese did just that. But okay not against nationally important projects but against real estate developments.

    For many years, such and the things like that the USA has Robert E. Lee’s statues everywhere are testimonies of American greatness …

  38. Lars Porsena says

    It means western coping mechanism.

    See the wiki.

  39. yakushimaru says

    China is not a paradise. I think you are shooting at a straw man here.

    That been said, I don’t think today’s China is a Stalinist system. The website is likely to be shut down, but I don’t think people comparable to Unz will really be put to death.

    If the future is unipolar dominated by China of CCP, that I think is worse than today. But it is a straw man.

  40. Interview with one of the creators of the Russian coronavirus vaccine. Full version in Russian in English abbreviated paraphrase

  41. I mean kept in some form of indefinite house arrest, the CCP does not use Mao’s methods anymore since that is nekulturiny. And Chinese weapons systems are still reverse engineered Russian weapons systems or knockoffs from military espionage of other countries advanced weapons systems like F-35 research or the Lavi. I mean Chinese still do not have weapons systems that can outdo what the Russians have right? And Russia’s GDP is ten times smaller than China, with R and D spending being a fraction of China’s or the USSR’s, if anyone deserves kudos it is really them.

  42. By the way, which countries MIC gets the most bang for the buck? Russia would be there, as well as the Swedes and the French?

  43. Agathoklis says

    Her map shows all of Kerkyra (Corfu) and most of Epiros under Albanian control. Control of Epiros is one of the fantasies of Cham Albanians. They never even got close to forming a significant minority in that province before the nationalist Greek resistance expelled them after they sided with the Nazis and participated in massacres against the Greeks. Control of Kerkyra is bizarre as the only Albanians there are olive pickers. Albanian nationalists also ignore that southern Albania is heavily populated by Greeks today.

  44. Given that a lot of people at UR are itching for a race war, it seems that Blacks vs. Jews is going to kick things off. I didn’t know who Wiley was until yesterday, but he really went for it on Twitter yesterday.

  45. Blinky Bill says

    Intel’s chief executive Bob Swan yesterday told industry analysts that the former industry leader in chip manufacturing might quit the fabrication business altogether, outsourcing its designs to Taiwan or South Korea instead. The company’s shock announcement called into question US efforts to return critical manufacturing capacity to the United States, and came despite semiconductor industry lobbying to secure federal subsidies for chip production in the United States. Semiconductors are the building blocks of the digital economy, and America’s inability to slow the decline of onshore chip fabrication is a strategic liability of the highest order.

    Swan’s demurral followed the announcement that Intel’s efforts to produce state-of-the-art 7-nanometer chips had hit a delay of one to two years. By that time Taiwan Semiconductor and Samsung will be fabricating 5-nanometer chips, with much higher transistor density and lower energy use. Intel’s 10-nanometer technology has just come into production, three years after target, and is already obsolete. Once the industry leader, Intel lacks the engineering expertise to stay ahead of Asian competition.

    Intel’s share price crashed by 17% after Swan’s warning that Intel may “need to use somebody else’s process technology.” Texas Instruments invented the integrated circuit in 1958 and Intel became the world’s largest chip manufacturer in 1992. But fabrication of chips has migrated to Asia, especially Taiwan, and the US share of semiconductor production fell to just 12% last year, according to the Semiconductor Industry Association.

    The engineering requirements of modern chip production are daunting, and the stakes are high. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation, the world’s leading chip foundry, spent more than $20 billion on its present state-of-the-art fabrication facilities. At the present rate of innovation, a new foundry will be obsolete within five years, so commercial success depends on speedy completion and low error rates. The chip production process involves 10 major procedures, each of which requires dozens of specialized engineering solutions.

    There isn’t much room for failure given the engineering challenges to produce chips with impossibly small tolerances, and the galloping depreciation rate of new production facilities. Taiwan and South Korea have made the investments in physical and human capital to succeed in this enterprise, with considerable subsidies from their respective governments. China is engaged in a crash program to build its domestic production facilities, and reportedly has hired between 10% and 20% of Taiwan’s production engineers to work on the Mainland.

    Intel, America’s aging national champion in the field, doesn’t have the ambition to compete against the Asians – even though the US Congress appears favorably disposed to provide subsidies for domestic chip production.

  46. Thanks, that was actually a very good interview and not something I have come to expect of journalism that covers science. They asked the right questions which made him explain the theory of vaccines very well for a lay audience. I would have just tagged ‘thanks’, but I haven’t made enough comments in the last 30 days apparently.

  47. Oh come on… imagine arguing in 2020, with data from 2012 that the Chinese high speed rail project has “overpromised and underdelivered”. There must be some word for ignoring reality which is front of your eyes that captures something like this. Maybe it’s because it’s not covered well where you live, but in Asia everyone is pretty much in awe of it, including the Japanese.

  48. Blinky Bill says
  49. There is a basic physical limit of how small you can go. When I read about it many years ago, people were saying that 5mm couldn’t be done. But apparently it can. This must be pretty close to the limit though and maybe a new technology will have to be created to go beyond it (this quantum computing thing?). But really, for most consumer purposes, the chip architecture we have now might be good enough and if it starts costing too much to go below that, consumers might prefer to buy phones with older architecture chips that are several times cheaper.

    Of course, there are advantages in supercomputers and the knowledge gained by having such facilities in your country and educating people to run them cannot be understated, but Intel might have a point. If they are a company interested in profits and are not being pushed by the government to be on the technological edge, this might be a good time (as you get close to the basic physical limits) to exit the competition for smaller chip architectures.

  50. songbird says

    A few days ago, a Japanese rocket launched a Mars mission for the UAE, called Hope. It is a weather satellite – the first for Mars. Still, it seems really naive to think, as they apparently do, that they can create a domestic space industry by buying the knowledge from foreign companies, considering low Arab IQ.

    In a semi-related project, they are creating biodomes in the desert. Right now, I think they are just glorified greenhouses. But it is a long-term project, and the idea is to test new technologies, so I can see how it might be useful for Arabs.

  51. Hibernian says

    Fairly well known conservative gadfly who had just reached a settlement in a long running legal battle with the uni which employed him as a professor, found dead of a gunshot wound in his own home. He had guns in the house and was “erratic.” (You would be too, if you’d run the gauntlet he’d run..) Also had many enemies. (Surprise, surprise.) Suicide or homicide? No one’s saying. No details released.

    He was found Thursday afternoon; there’s been enough time to notify next of kin. After a few very bad taste “obituaries” from leftist media outlets, now, crickets. I’d say the cops (fortunately a rural sheriff’s dept. in a coastal community, that’s not like a liberal urban police department, but not the stereotypical rural Southern backwater sheriff’s office) is conducting a homicide investigation and keeping info under wraps for obvious reasons. No word of funeral arrangements. He was well liked by his students.

  52. brabantian says

    Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky, and Joseph Stalin, all joined in using the same ‘Who? Whom?’ formulation that has been a favourite theme of Steve Sailer since 2005:

    Lenin, 17 Oct 1921, to the 2nd All-Russian Congress of Political Education Departments:

    Весь вопрос – кто кого опередит?
    The whole question is – who will overtake whom?

    Soon known by its short form кто кого?, kto kogo?, Who? Whom?

    Trotsky repeated “Who? Whom?” in his 1925 article,’Towards Capitalism or Towards Socialism?’, and Stalin repeated it in 1929 to the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

    An article on how Western judges and courts have been corrupted as religion declined in the West, talks about Who? Whom? as now perverting courts wholesale in the West.

    The nature of a crime or event almost doesn’t matter anymore – Everyone immediately demands to know, Who attacked or sued or filed charges against Whom? And only then do most pick a side.

    The temptation of Marxists and others, to use ‘revolutionary tribunals’ to bend law and change society, has proved irresistible to judges across the West as they serve the oligarchs. Twisting the law, mauling victims via the courts, can give psychopathic, satanic pleasure. It doubles the wrong, as there is the crime itself, and the second abuse of claiming it is all ‘legal’.

  53. songbird says

    Been reading a bit of LKY’s memoirs. They are quite interesting in a way, although there’s quite a bit of political minutiae, which is terribly boring and discouraging for the general reader. The good parts are quite good though.

    I was thinking that any modern history of Europe, which describes its current troubles should include an excerpt from LKY, where he mentions how, when the troop ship he had hitched a ride on was passing through the Suez Canal, Arabs lining both banks were flashing their members at any white woman on deck.

    For good measure, perhaps also the passage where he describes the smell of African students.

  54. AnonFromTN says

    This would have been true ~10-20 years ago. Back then if you tell a Chinese post-doc that you will send him/her back to China, it was a serious threat. Nowadays many Chinese who got PhD in the States go back voluntarily. I also know several high-level Chinese scientists who went back, as well as several perfectly white prominent US scientists who organized second labs in mainland China.

  55. Actually the Chinese reverse engineered their CRH1 and CRH380 from the Bombardier Regina and Siemens Velaro, if you bothered to look at a picture of them you can quickly surmise this out, their Fuxing was built on the legacy of those trains.

  56. Actually there is a question as to whether China overbuilt its HSR network, since it is funded by debt, basically only the Beijing to Shanghai HSR is making money.

  57. I think that China will top out in terms of per capita GDP at 3/4s Taiwan’s level, which seems to be the maximum a Han Chinese culture society can achieve. And Taiwan has one of the highest IQs in the world, its people are descended from high human capital southern Chinese, it has a very solid STEM sector and STEM education system, and also has a solid MIC for the size of its country.

  58. AnonFromTN says

    If the future is unipolar dominated by China of CCP, that I think is worse than today. But it is a straw man.

    I think you are right, Pax Sinica won’t happen. Paradoxically, the major force objectively making it more likely is the Empire. It’s deranged behavior (just a few recent examples: pure banditry of F15s, that took off a 100% illegal US base in Syria and almost caused a crash of Iranian passenger plane bound for Beirut; US order to close Chinese consulate in Houston for no good reason) speeds up its downfall, reducing the time window for the establishment of multi-polarity. The EU and UK appear determined to sink with the Empire. However, many countries are not. South Korea, despite being occupied by the US, flatly refused to introduce any sanctions against Russia. Japan (US-occupied since 1945) and India are hedging their bets. Latin Americans, with their habitual rabid anti-IUS stance (I mean regular people, not compradore elites), are rooting for both Russia and China. Iran collaborates with both, but keeps them at arm’s length. Putin collaborates with China on many things, but studiously avoids binding military agreements with it (unlike the US, which repeatedly breaks agreements it signed, making itself untrustworthy, after signing agreements Russia always fulfils its obligations). So, there are many forces angling at establishing multi-polarity after the inevitable downfall of the Empire. We can only wish them success.

  59. Blinky Bill says

    Essex lorry deaths: 39 found dead were Chinese nationals.

    Western cope.

    If they were Vietnamese, no one would care and the story would just vanish.

  60. AnonFromTN says

    By the way, which countries MIC gets the most bang for the buck?

    It depends what you mean. If you mean militarily usable bang, Russia is way ahead, and China likely is in the top 10, if not in the top 5. However, if you mean how much treasure can be stolen by MIC, nobody beats the US. In terms of corruption, Pentagon procurement is likely way ahead of the most odious African kleptocracies.

  61. Blinky Bill says
  62. Belarusian Dude says

    Undistilled autism. I really like the parallel with American libs and harry potter, what a fucking retarded LARP

  63. I am talking about real countries with both urban areas and a rural countryside, so you have high income cities and low income rural areas, like Japan or Korea, not city States like Macao or HK, and if you want to compare the per capita income of cities only, NYC, Seattle, and SF ranks way ahead of Singapore in per capita GDP.

  64. Belarusian Dude says

    A shitty Russo triumph cope. Both Russia and America have great corruption at the top of their MIC, the difference is Russia also has ot at the middle and bottom with Colonels and Quartermasters selling all they can get their hands on.

  65. Blinky Bill says
  66. Curmudgeon says

    I mean it has been decades and China still can’t build competitive cars that Europeans will want to buy.

    There are several parts to that.
    The first is that they focused on public transportation. They went the very high tech German version of mag-lev rail, and are now world leaders.
    Denmark has never mass produced cars, but has been a world leader in electronics for 50+ years.
    It appears that you are too young to remember the first Hyundais in the 1980s that wouldn’t last their 3 year warranty period. South Korea has the capacity to produce all of the world’s car production.
    China will have a huge internal market, should it fully embrace auto production for that purpose.
    China is now, where Japan was in the 60s and SK in the 80s.

  67. I think Korean cars stalled at a below just below Japanese cars, but YMMV, German luxury cars are more technologically advanced but less reliable than Lexus. Any reason why the Japanese seems to have stalled out since the 2000s, I mean they are really falling behind the Koreans in terms of electronics, thought not automobiles. Weirdly it seems that verbal IQ is actually linked to mathematically IQ in some way? I mean Indian math was way more advanced than East Asian math, and the most famous mathematicians and physicists are all Jewish, White, and Indian, and where they have the edge is verbal, not visuospatial IQ, perhaps because math requires the ability to reason as to which steps come next in an equation, which actually uses verbal reasoning abioiy?

  68. AltanBakshi says

    I just noticed that I am writing off topic stuff on another blog post of Karlin, so lets AP and AaronB continue here if possible. Im quite new here so I dont know how serious breach that is, but still one should be more considerate, especially if there is an open thread for more random stuff.

    AP I did not mean nationalist fringe theories, but connection through Combed Ware culture and Yamnaya, and that Slavs had probably had strong connection to Iranic peoples before Turkic peoples conquered Sarmatian and Alan lands in 5th or 6th century.
    Buddha’s people Shakyas were part of the last tribal migrations of Aryans from the Central Asia. Who had preserved ancient Aryan traditions. After all Buddhist Stupa is just Kurgan of the ancient Aryan nomads of the steppe, two first lay followers of Buddha were from Bactria, which is the border region between Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, Trapusa and Bahalika. And Buddha told hundreds of stories about the ancient Aryan wheel turning monarchs, Chakravartins, who were his ancestors. For wheels of their chariots could travel/turn in any direction. Buddha’s funeral rites were done according the honors of great Aryan kings. He was cremated on huge funeral pyre and his remains were put into huge Stupa/Kurgan in Kushinagar. Buddha never forbid his followers to eat cows, but he forbid eating of horse for its nobility.(It was hard sacrifice for me, horsemeat and especially horses liver have an excellent taste.)

    AaronB I am very grateful to you, for my knowledge of Chan had big holes, and I personally thought that they follow strictly Yogachara, but it fills me with joy to know that they follow Nagarjuna Two Truths, truly our Dharma has same meaning only exposition differs! For we Gelug also follow both, but we give pre-eminence to Madhyamaka.

    Your link is such bullshit and based on pseudoscience, there is consensus among scholars that there were Aryan migrations or invasions to Indian subcontinent. Also there are no ancient Shiva statues from Russia, there can be some 400 years olf from the Southern Russia for there was small community of Indian merchants after the conquest of Astrakhan khanate. Really it hurts my head to read such trash. I believed that you are man of truth, still I believe so, but that link just utterly stupid. Also I will add that everything that I have read from you before, I have greatly enjoyed and I have great respect for you.

    For those who want to read about Buddhas links to Iranian and Aryan culture.

    Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies

  69. I mean I find it peculiar that so many famous physicists are Jewish, when physics is math heavy, and Jews have the edge in verbal IQ, not math IQ?

  70. Blinky Bill says

    “Arab Spring, a spring with no summer”

      Lee Kuan Yew,  Mar. 28, 2011
  71. yakushimaru says

    Russians are great. Americans are great. Chinese are better and better. I think all can agree on these points. You seem to be arguing that there is a ceiling for Chinese, I think that is just opinion.

    And the prevailing challenge of today is that the Americans seem unwilling to let others develop in different directions and by differen speeds.

  72. Producing chips in the U.S. is much more expensive. Those subsidies are relatively meager compared to the kind of grants Asians receive. In addition, Intel is suffering from Indianization, which will eat away at any company.

    Naturally the idea that U.S. policymakers will look at what say South Korea or Taiwan does and try to learn from it, is off the table. That would require some degree of competence. National security people may want certain things to happen(they should have been worried about these things long ago), but vision in how to achieve this is lacking.

  73. AnonFromTN says

    Sorry to disappoint, but the sheer scale of corruption in Pentagon and among American MIC profiteers makes corrupt Russian officials look almost honest. Not to mention that in absolute terms the amount of funds stolen from the US “defense” budget is many times greater than the whole Russian military budget.

  74. AnonFromTN says

    That would require some degree of competence.

    Yes, competence is not a strong suit of American officials, and even of their puppet masters, American moneyed elites. Alas.

  75. I think East Asians may have a lower ceiling than whites, even Karlin agrees with this in his articles. And if you look at Han Chinese, they may have a lower ceiling as a group than Koreans and Japanese due to greater inherent clannishness and nepotism, which is not really a bad thing if you care about things other than money.

  76. Thulean Friend says
  77. Blinky Bill says
  78. AltanBakshi says

    Thank you. Your posts are extremely interesting and there is so much new knowledge for me.

  79. Blinky Bill says

    You Sir are a gentleman and Scholar. If you have time please look at something I posted in the past.

    Please let me know if the link doesn’t work for you.

  80. Blinky Bill says
  81. This is again wishful thinking which is what you have been doing this whole thread.

    Trying to base China’s future on Taiwan is laughable.

    The whole paradigm we will see moving forward is going to change where the US dollar will collapse. Asian countries keeping their currency low to support western wealth is going to go away.

    So why would you use Taiwan as a proxy for future growth?

  82. one of the worse versions of cringe wewuz there is

    “Illyrian” my ass. In appearance they are more close to Caucasians (as in Chechen Caucasians), in behavior also. Their tactics consist of banditry and pestering the local civilized populace, but put the foot down (kidnap their families so they are kept in line for example) and they bitch and moan.

    Illyrians were described as literal lunatics who would suicidally charge enemies (and win!), not bandits and reavers who would murder and rob starving non-hostiles who are retreating through their lands and not bothering anyone. As we can see, South Slavs are more fitting of the Illyrian name than the lowly bashibozouk Albanians

  83. verbal IQ is actually linked to mathematic

    Aside from the absurdity of “IQ” discussions (particularly of discussions of “national IQ”), of course, mathematics is a form of “verbal reasoning”, and verbal reasoning is form of “mathematical reasoning” – as the common word is “reasoning” i.e. logic.

    This is known, since the time of Euclid, and attained its maximum fashion and ambitiousness (and perhaps reductio ad absurdum – but I am not expert) with constructivism in the early 20th century.

    In even normal daily discussion, you are often applying the same formal rules that large part of mathematics can be derived from, and which we work with every day when we use electronics.

    When you hear conversation of the hair dresser, or in soap opera – there is the same foundationary zero order of logic, in the conversation itself. As an exercise, you can write out the logical operations of reasoning sections in peoples’ speech, try to see how accurately you can construct the persons’ reasoning in formal logic, and test it for formal validity, and see what operations they apply, (this would be painful if you tried on the articles on this site).

    Now someone can say “you need “spatial reasoning” in mathematics”, it often requires need to visualize certains isomorphisms and properties.

    However, does not e.g. “verbal reasoning” of Socrates use “spatial reasoning” when he describes knowledge as being like escaping a cave? In this case, he has to visualize the structure of cave, and how isomorphic such a scenario can be to our concept of knowledge.

    “Verbal reasoning” usually uses a visual referent as well. Moreover the logical operations are themselves replicated in the real world – which we perceive visually -, which is why logic is useful. Real world itself follows law of exclude middle and we observe this through our eyes.

    below just below Japanese cars, but YMMV, German luxury cars are more technologically advanced but less reliable than Lexus. Any reason why the Japanese seems to have stalled out since the 2000s, I mean they are really falling behind the Koreans in terms of electronics,

    None of this is very directly related to discussions of IQ, and has more relation to historic path-dependent industrial development.

    By the way, for some trivial about e.g. electronics. The nationality of the parent company of “supposed” leading televisions varies between Japan and Korea every year. In 2018, I got Sony OLED, as it was supposedly best television of that year, and I was researching so I would get the newest of television technology available. However, this year (2020) the best television is supposedly LG, from (Korea).

    Is this a fact about television indicating about the genius of Japanese and Korean people? Not really – OLED technology was pioneered by Cambridge University (but England does not produce televisions).

    Similar analogy – first television, was invented in the Russian Empire, and yet would you buy television by Russian manufacturers like Erisson or Rubin?

    To limited extent, there are perhaps some cultural emphasis which contribute to why e,g, Japan or Germany, are usually making the best quality products. Relation of such culture to “IQ” is not very direct. It can be probably more effect of wider cultural views on craftsman traits like conscientiousness, connoisseurship and OCD.

    Japanese “stereotypical” culture is particularly valuing connoisseurship. Even if you think about Western pop culture like Beatles – the most obsessive people about them will probably be a Japanese (woman). Similarly for most things of value, from whisky to jazz music, to acoustics and gardening. Japanese are the most extreme connoisseurs even in relation to trees – who else would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a miniature tree.

    While with Germanic “stereotypical” culture is supposedly valuing OCD personalities. As we stereotype that a obsessively written books like “Critique of Pure Reason”, are a kind of Germanic specialty. Probably, this will explain the quality of German consumer products, more than such “IQ test” results.

  84. Blinky Bill says

    Ching Wan Tang (Chinese: 鄧青雲; pinyin: Dèng Qīngyún; born July 23, 1947) is a Hong Kong–American physical chemist. He was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 2018 for inventing OLED (together with Steven Van Slyke), and was awarded the 2011 Wolf Prize in Chemistry. Tang is the IAS Bank of East Asia Professor at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology and previously served as the Doris Johns Cherry Professor at the University of Rochester.

    André Bernanose (17 June 1912 – 18 March 2002) was a 20th-century French physicist, chemist and pharmacologist.

    He studied chemiluminescence during the late 1940s – early 1950s, which led him to discover the electroluminescence. He is for this reason considered the father of the OLED.

  85. AnonFromTN says

    It was correctly said that states don’t have friends, they have interests. Russia is no exception. It is ready to sell C-400 to India after it sold it to China (despite Chinese displeasure). But it sees its key task in keeping the balance and preventing a war between India and China, so that it does not have to take sides. In a serious crunch it would likely side with China for three reasons: one, China is about 3-5 times more important economically in a grand scheme of things; two, China does not make overtures to the dying Empire, whereas India does; three, Russia has many thousand mile long border with China, and no border with India. Nothing personal, strictly business.

  86. this generally fits the pattern – frequently the one who invents something isn’t the one to use it to it’s fullest extent. It extends to the people/nation. Tesla might have been a Serb, but you don’t see Serbia or ex-Yugoslavia being almost-magic electromancers.

    But when we get to the racial level, suddenly other races disappear, and the pattern becomes “Europeans invent thing, Asians make something better with it”. Though that pattern is recent, and probably an effect of globalization.

    Speaking of connoisseurship, such a concept doesn’t even exist in South Slavs – Google translates it as “expertise” pretty much, but we all know it’s no such thing.

    The Balkans are probably one of the most anti-connoisseur places to exist. It’s probably why Tesla and many very important inventors left and did their things in other places. Specialization in general, even when consciously considered more efficient, makes us cringe internally. Everyone pretends to know everything, and “old drunk uncle talking like he’s an analyst of geopolitics” is basically a stereotype.

    Ironically enough, we get along very nicely with the Japanese, to the point that Serbia is one of the few countries to have the luxury of it’s citizens not requiring visas in Japan. Dunno why. Asians fuckin love us in general, despite us being very much “gold chain wearers” they seem to dislike and distrust so much. Probably because we’re just barely in the “chutzpahsphere” so it to them appears similar to their face culture (tho a similar concept of cheek exists here)

  87. I don’t think they have a lower ceiling, I do think they differ from whites in terms of personality other than IQ that, amongst other things, makes them more or less effective in some domains.

  88. songbird says

    Samsung once considered changing their name, since they had a history of bad quality products, but upon commissioning surveys, they found that nobody recognized their name, so they kept the same name, even as their quality underwent a shift.

  89. Philip Owen says

    The UAE has created a real economy out of oil, a rare acheivement. They are treading in the path Arthur C Clarke laid out for Arabs. The only ones. Sure, they are using other people’s equipment but it is a cultural fit. You use Arab numbers. The names of the stars are often Arab. The UAE is doing the same in medicine, again recalling cultural heritage. It is becoming a world cenre for medical tourism.

  90. Kent Nationalist says

    If Lenin should be regarded as the greatest German intelligence asset, then should getting Mao installed as leader of China also be considered the American diplomatic corps’ greatest achievement?
    How many years of economic competition from China was the US saved by Mao’s nonsense like the Great Leap Forward or the Third Front and his erratic provocation of the USSR?

  91. Kent Nationalist says

    Japanese “stereotypical” culture is particularly valuing connoisseurship. Even if you think about Western pop culture like Beatles – the most obsessive people about them will probably be a Japanese (woman). Similarly for most things of value, from whisky to jazz music, to acoustics and gardening. Japanese are the most extreme connoisseurs even in relation to trees – who else would pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a miniature tree.

    There is a James Bond novel about this

  92. songbird says

    I think India would have done a lot better, if they hadn’t annexed Goa, but let it develop and then slowly bided their time as China seems to be doing with Taiwan. Even if it didn’t develop the exact same economic model as Singapore, I think it would have at least been less bureaucratic.

    BTW, I have been but lately acquainted with it, but I think the symbol for PAP is really curious. Reminds me a bit of the superhero the Flash. Perhaps, it is anticolonial? Or harkens to the days, when they were trying to court communists? Or perhaps because it originally had something of a student base. But a political depiction of lightning is not something I would directly associate with Chinese (though I know the party is multiethnic.) Seems too aggressive for Chinese.

  93. Philip Owen says

    No. The core work was done at Cambridge. The problem that the Cambridge group failed to solve was one my team had worked on previously when developing an optical data storage tape. An impervious barrier was required to give the material any life time. We thought we had pushed the envelope but the OLED dyes needed a 10x improvement beyond ours. I can’t remember anyone’s names now but I can see the lab in my mind’s eye. Blue was the most difficult to acheive and least stable. This would be mid to late 1990’s. I did a lot of work in displays at that time – took me to Russia where there was also novel work. World’s first colour FED. These things took 10 years longer to get into market than anticipated. Handling thin sheets of glass without breakage was actually the economic issue. Fanatical Japanese process engineering dealt with that.

  94. Philip Owen says

    As we used to say in British engineering. “Invented in Britain. Developed in America. Made in Japan”.

  95. Swedish Family says

    Use a real dictionary. It’s not slang.

    It’s not quite slang, but clearly a recent coinage. Turning verbs into nouns, however, is such common practice that no native speaker should have trouble deciphering the new usage.

  96. Blinky Bill says
  97. Swedish Family says

    I started watching the Russian Trotsky miniseries, it rocks.

    Thanks for the rec. Will give it a watch!

  98. EldnahYm says

    Japan would be the one threatened by earlier Chinese development, not so much the U.S.

  99. Blinky Bill says
  100. From the news it does not sound like Intel’s officers did any of this willingly. It sounds like the wheels are coming off the bus.

    Another commenter mentioned Indianization. That seems on point.

  101. songbird says

    I actually tried to read a book by Mosley once, but the way it was transcribed by character recognition made it completely unreadable, and I don’t know if it is something I’d want delivered to my address in physical form.

  102. Blinky Bill says

    “What else can a right-handed man produce?”

    Lee Kuan Yew when asked why the flash had the same slant as Mosley’s.

  103. Speaking of heavy lifters and space cadets, isn’t it great that America’s Rocket Man Elon Musk in early 2018 launched one of his Tesla roadsters into orbit around the Sun during the maiden flight of Space X’s Falcon heavy lifter? Sitting in the Tesla’s driver seat wearing a space suit is a dummy named “Starman.”

    It gets better. You really couldn’t make up this kind of stuff, but I’ve been skeptical of his success and suspicious of Elon Musk for a long time. It doesn’t really surprise me to see his seamy side emerging, which may help explain his somewhat mysterious rise to prominence.

    Image: Politically Incorrect

    Recently, a photo surfaced of Elon Musk seemingly standing next to Ghislaine Maxwell at a Vanity Fair party in 2014, but Musk insists that Maxwell had photobombed him. Meanwhile, rumors have surfaced that Musk’s second wife Talulah Riley was handpicked by Ghislaine Maxwell to be Musk’s bride. Riley has indignantly denied the rumors while confirming that she had been at the same Vanity Fair party where Musk and Maxwell were photographed together. Riley was 19 at the time. She also acknowledged that she and Musk had visited Epstein’s NY mansion. Reportedly, she began dating Musk in 2008 after he and his first wife Justine Musk were divorced. Musk and Riley got married in 2010, and then remarried in 2013, and divorced again in 2016.

    Enter Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

    Image: Page Six

    Questioning Ms Heard, Ms Laws said Mr Musk offered to “arrange 24/7 security for you”, adding that he said: “The offer would stand, even if you never wanted to see me again… anyway, sorry for being an idiot. The radio silence hurts a lot. It only matters because I really like you.”

    The barrister cited evidence from Alejandro Romero, a concierge at the Eastern Columbia Building, who said he saw Mr Musk visiting Ms Heard “when Mr Depp was in Australia”.

    Ms Heard said Mr Romero was “wrong”, insisting that she wasn’t in communication with Mr Musk until 2016.

    In his written witness statement, Mr Romero said: “From March 2015 onwards, Ms Heard was visited regularly late at night, at around 11pm to midnight, by Mr Elon Musk.”

    Mr. Depp for his part has threatened to sever Mr. Musk’s pecker, and has averred that Ms. Heard had crapped in his bed.

    Meanwhile in 2018, Musk began a high-profile relationship with Grimes, who has given birth to his child.

    Image: Insider

    But even by his standards, the past few weeks have been wild. He celebrated the birth of his son with singer Grimes on May 4, then corrected her on Twitter when she explained the bizarre name and mistyped that A-12 is a precursor to SR-17, “our favorite aircraft.” (“SR-71, but yes,” Elon tweeted, prompting Grimes to reply: “I am recovering from surgery.”)

    This week, he put four Los Angeles homes and a San Francisco mansion on the market, saying he was getting rid of “almost all physical possessions.”

    New parents Elon Musk and Grimes both as ‘cuckoo’ as the other, says source

  104. songbird says

    I understand that Dubai is past peak oil, but still prospers. But they received loans from the rest of the UAE, and I think the area naturally attracts oil money, being a relatively small country nestled among larger oil nations, where people are looking to stash some money. They are certainly dependent on tanker traffic, to a certain extent. Something like 80% of their pop are foreign helot-class labor – no Western nation would allow the same working conditions.

    Have they moved past oil? When Iran and Saudi Arabia run out of oil – that will be the test. Or perhaps if there is a revolution in nuclear energy.

    I’m pessimistic about the long-term prospects of Arabs, unless they are able to give up cousin marriage. There’s a limit to what screening can accomplish, with current tech. I also don’t think we’ll see a second golden age, unless they can end their diabetes epidemic. Hard to get past those desert genes.

  105. Blinky Bill says
  106. About a month before that incident, I read in my German paper an article about Vietnamese workers/slaves in England, where they interviewed three of these people. Apparently two out of the three did not even intend to leave the country and were basically kidnapped and beaten and shipped to England. One was a street kid. There they stayed in homes, and in some old bomb shelter, and watched over a marijuana grow op for their gang and were not allowed to have contact with outsiders.

    This is something that can be fixed when Vietnam becomes richer, as the logistics of kidnapping street children in your own country for growing drugs in foreign countries become less profitable than some other criminal thing. Probably you could make more money by selling to richer Vietnamese for example. Also as the country becomes richer, these gangs are likely to be cracked down on, as their funds will not be enough to pay the bribes of the right officials to look the other way.

    So, it was surprising to me that when I heard this story, that it was Chinese, because I thought China was well developed enough to not have this sort of thing. Of course, when it was revealed a week later that these lorry dead were all actually Vietnamese citizens and the story disappeared, it was not that surprising. Still, Vietnam is growing very rapidly and I don’t think it will still be a thing ten years from now.

  107. Korenchkin says

    Russian Twitter nationalists certainly won’t be, they’re a worthless rabble that won’t achieve anything
    Naturally they have immense narcissism which I assume is the reason for your giga-butthurt about this whole affair despite it not affecting you in any way

  108. Speaking on strictly Huntingtonian grounds, if the world is to end up divided along civilizational/cultural lines (Sinic world (China, Korea and maybe Vietnam) vs Japanese vs Orthodox Russia vs the “West” vs Hindu India etc.), do you think the Muslim world will be able to ‘unite’ together or will it be divided between a Shia-Iranic sphere (led by Iran with Iraq, Azerbaijan, maybe parts of Levant – it will draw on the Persian heritage as much as it would on its Shia differences) and a Sunni-Muslim Brotherhood Bloc (say current Turkey and a future Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood come together with Pakistan to form this bloc)?
    Or do you think the muslim world shall be able to maintain some form of mutual empathy or unity?

    I havent mentioned Arab states here because I think once the oil dependence across the world runs out (which it could with two or three decades with the EV revolution etc.), the countries will largely be finished and come under influence of a Turkic-Egyptian bloc (as they traditionally always have been).

  109. So why does Japan and Korea have a lower per capita GDP than Belgium, France, or Austria, not to mention the US? Remember that the accusation of US supply siders is that that the welfare state, cushy employment policies designed to protect present employees, and high taxes on income and capital gains, already makes European economies perform at a suboptimal level of productivity compared to the US, in which they may have a point when you look at working hours. So Japan and Korea, basically the most advanced and productive East Asian economies, are still less productive than the less productive Western economies like Belgium, France, and the Netherlands.

  110. And Chinese state run enterprises have an abysmal level of productivity, where their level of profitability is really besides the point , and a lot of them are basically jobs programs that are kept for political reasons in order to cushion the unemployment numbers. So expect them to be a drag on Chinese productivity in the long run, even if the Chinese private sector is more productive. Plus isn’t it funny that the people here who are criticizing the US for turning the US dollar into toilet paper by printing money and taking on debt ignore the Chinese doing the same? I mean much of the growth in Chinese debt since 2008 is going into things like empty apartment blocks and empty malls and convention centers. By the way, where is AquariusAnon, his more nuanced views on China are highly valued here. As for when the debt bubble will pop, who knows? I expect it to be sustained in the short run as long as Chinese capital controls remain (leaky as they are), and the Chinese continue to use their massive savings to fund lending by Chinese financial intermediaries.

  111. As for whether that debt is being spent productively, one can argue that if that debt is being spent productively, then the debt to GDP ratio of Chinese companies and local governments would not have exploded since 2008.

  112. Why doesn’t Russia try to get into the chip fab game?

  113. AltanBakshi says

    Thanks, very interesting, I sent your statistics to my mother and she got very proud, but why it is so that more Buryats died in proportion?

  114. Blinky Bill says

    I’ve always agreed with the idea that there is 20 to 30 year developmental gap between Japan>South Korea>China. I believe there is now sufficient evidence to suggest that this also applies to Vietnam, with an additional lag of ten years to account for the destruction caused by the Vietnam War. One day the Vietnamese will be promoted to Team North East Asia.

  115. Blinky Bill says

    A complex question. Here is what AK has written on the topic.

  116. So what is the average IQ of your antifa activists, 110? In 1970 110 would have been good enough to guarantee you a middle class or upper middle class lifestyle for life. They seem to be capable of some degree of organization.

  117. Blinky Bill says

    GPT-3 is that you?

    Serious question.

  118. Europeans invent thing, Asians make something better with

    And Chinese make something worse with it?

    But in Japan and more recently Korea, nowadays I assume there is happening more R&D than in much of Europe, except some Western European countries.

    For example, with situation of Maglev. China simply has simply imported German’s “Transrapid” project. But Japan has been the only country developing “EDS maglev” concepts.

    It is funny to see the lack of successful development of England in OLED industry, considering the early research in the topic.

    Cambridge Display Technology was the kind of thing which Japanese companies expended a lot of money to buy, but which I guess was not a successful investment. Japanese paid $285 to buy the startup in 2007. However, today it is just the small offices, in strange location, not very high salaries, and probably no contribution to anything in our televisions. I wonder if the funding was just wasted.

    Perhaps without a Japanese company owning it, company would have disappeared many years ago. (By the way, Japanese are often buying startups in England, often which had been originally funded by Cambridge University, but they usually are not looking like wildly successful investments).

    Balkans are probably one of the most anti-connoisseur places to exist. It’s probably why

    That is surprising, with the geographical proximity to Italy and Austria. In a lot of areas – from violins, to clothes – Italian culture is most connoisseur culture in Europe.

  119. Blinky Bill says
  120. Blinky Bill says

    “The US and USSR will lead the world for only that long” and “will be followed by China and India,” an ever-prophetic David Ben-Gurion told the Knesset in 1959, after having decided already in January 1950 to ignore America’s protests and recognize Communist China.

    Ben-Gurion saw, ahead of most others, China’s future of economic success and global sway, and their meaning for the Jewish state. Now that future is here, and Ben-Gurion’s Chinese legacy reads like a diplomatic will.

  121. Blinky Bill says
  122. Jatt Arya says

    Buddhism was so pro cow slaughter that it’s likely the reason Brahmin stopped even bull sacrifice.

    Get a grip & stfu, go outside and lift weights or something।।

    Retiring from here for awhile again.
    Don’t fkn respond to this Melech।।

  123. AltanBakshi says

    “One should not consume elephant flesh… horse flesh… dog flesh… snake flesh… lion flesh… tiger flesh… leopard flesh… bear flesh… hyena flesh. Whoever should do so: an offense of wrong doing.” — Mv.VI.23.10-15

    Why there are no prohibitions against eating beef by Buddha then in Tripitaka?

    Its true that in some Mahayana circles there was a strong trend of vegetarianism that later spread to rest of Indian society(especially when there were other movements with similar impulses like Jains and Hindu monastic communities). Meat eating is prohibited in Vinaya followed by Dharmaguptakas. Vinaya is a Buddhist monastic code and it does not limit the behaviour of the laypeople, although the behaviour of the monastic community often influences the cultural norms of wider society. But Dharmaguptaka Vinaya is only one Vinaya among many, there were at least 18 Vinayas in ancient times. Still its the Vinaya followed by the Chinese monastics and has made lot of sense historically in China. After all in my understanding you can have more calories in high density farming society if you have less big animals raised for their meat.

    You can find in some Mahayana sutras prohibitions against eating meat, but never they explicitly say that eating beef is worse than eating any other meat.

    I should tell you that I think that Indian philosophy is the very pinnacle of human thought, but the ancient philosophers of India were very good in epistemology, for them the valid means of knowledge(प्रमाण) were utmost importance and how to separate justified belief from mere bias based on attachments. Sadly you are more influenced by the later development in Indian history, which is more colored by overtly emotional spirituality of Bhaktis.

  124. AltanBakshi says

    Origin of the Albanians is very puzzling I think. I dont believe that they are from Caucasus for there are records of them in Albania before Ottomans and how in the hell they would had migrated from there unnoticed? If we have even historical records of Bulgar, Avar, Gepid migrations, and 5-7th centuries in Balkans were more unstable than 8-13 centuries when Albanians got to Albania. Their origin is very puzzling and their lack of Greek word loans proves in my opinion that they were migrants, maybe some relict population from Carpathia, driven by Goths, Huns, Avars, Magyars or Bulgars?

  125. That’s because the moment they arrived was quite messy, according to one theory

    In short they got supressed by Khazars and Arabs from Azerbaijan, and over time migrated to south Italy – as basically everything until Italy was fucked (Byzantines had a bad time too).

    Then in the 11th or 12th century some civil war started, and one nobleman decided to recruit em for his army, but he got killed practically instantly when he came back to the Balkans. The Albanians got stuck as a result and were allowed to settle

    That’s one theory

  126. Europe Europa says

    There’s also been significant Albanian minorities in Italy and Greece for centuries, and they are Catholic and Orthodox respectively, not Muslims which strongly suggests they arrived in those countries before the Islamisation of Albania, and that the Albanian language and culture existed before the Ottoman conquest.

  127. Europe Europa says

    I’ve come to the conclusion that most whites, especially Anglo whites, are pathological cowards. It wasn’t always that way, but since the end of WW2 whites in the US and UK (and Anglosphere as a whole) have been under such psychological bombardment that today they seem to almost revel in their passivity and regard weakness and submission as a virtue.

    Nationalists who speak out against the anti-white authorities and agenda are generally regarded with contempt, as nothing but trouble makers. Non-whites, especially blacks and Muslims are much more likely to challenge the authorities if they believe they’re getting a raw deal, hence BLM. Whites in contrast just take being treated like dirt on the chin and expect other whites to do the same, and take a dim view of whites who protest or complain about their treatment.

  128. A lot of Arabs seem to want a greater Chinese military presence in the Middle East. I guess I can see it from their perspective, but I don’t think it makes sense from a Chinese perspective.

    Probably better to get off oil entirely.

  129. I’ve always thought that the Church was meant to function on the village level, where everyone knew each other. IMO, it doesn’t work too well on the city level – though perhaps it was more functional with ethnic neighborhoods and neighborhood schools.

    But on the global level, with a jet-setting pope and jet-setting pilgrims, is really where it starts to break down. Time was when a lot of people going on a pilgrimage would die before they were able to return, and that wasn’t even to Rome, but for people going to nearer places, like British people going to Spain.

  130. Blinky Bill says
  131. Blinky Bill says

    I was going to start talking about Galicia, then decided I’d better post a map first in case people got the wrong idea.

  132. Blinky Bill says
  133. songbird says

    The one question mark for me is manufacturing – chemical components. I don’t really know anything about it, though I’d guess that almost anything you could get from oil, you could make from coal, or crops.

  134. songbird says

    Some of my distant ancestors made the trip from Ireland – at least as far as I can tell. And probably from the math, even if my family tree is in error.

  135. I think that Indian philosophy is the very pinnacle of human thought

    Agreed. And Indian holy men cracked and revealed the secret of the Universe.

    The latest and greatest of them all was Sathya Sai Baba:

    In his ashram he used to celebrate with a Discourse the birthdays of Buddha and Jesus (Buddha Purnima and Christmas).

  136. AltanBakshi says

    People without religion or faith often lack conviction(not always) and when you add wealth without hardship and desire of respectability without earning it, then the ground is ready for conformism, which is in other words behaviour of someone who is part of the cattle, therefore current state of the west is just logical outcome, ancient Greeks spoke about this stuff, what kind of man is slave, and what kind of man is free. Also there is lack of visible social hierarchies which confuses things. Many of us here are not slaves, for we speak whats in our mind, but still we cant say that we are free men like the ancients could say, we are somewhere in the middle.

    I feel little bit sad for you. UK is truly lost case, although I am not fan of Britain. Maybe too much good is bad thing in the longer run. Britain had string of victories for hundreds of years.

  137. AltanBakshi says

    The presence of Albanians in Albania before the Ottomans is not disputed by the way, for its common knowledge in history and there are many records of it. They resisted long and fiercely against the Ottoman invaders and even got some help from the Pope and Italian city states.

    Also Svevlad Albanian is Indo-European language, only Indo-European languages in Caucasus mountains in Medieval times were in my knowledge Iranic or Armenian, maybe during Antique there were some speakers of Anatolian languages. Hmm thats a possibility, has some one thought about this before? In Anatolia there were many different small Indo-European languages, and pockets of them probably left when area got gradually more Hellenized. What if Eastern Roman emperors had moved some rebellious highlanders like Isaurians or some similar people to Balkans to serve as border guards? Still that doesnt explain the lack of Greek influence compared to Latin.

  138. Blinky Bill says
  139. another anon says

    I started watching the Russian Trotsky miniseries, it rocks.

    Well, according to World Socialist Web Site, it is strongly based and redpilled series 😉

    Netflix’s Trotsky: A toxic combination of historical fabrication and blatant anti-Semitism

    8 March 2019
    Netflix is currently presenting to its worldwide audience the virulently anti-Semitic television series, Trotsky, which was originally produced by the Russian state in 2017.

    To state the issue posed by this series as bluntly and precisely as possible: Netflix’s Trotsky is the most explicitly and unrelentingly anti-Semitic film that has ever been presented to an American and international television audience. It is a frenzied incitement to Jew-hating. The inspiration for this production is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the notorious Russian anti-Semitic forgery, produced in pre-1917 Russia, that claimed to document an international Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

    The portrayal of all Jewish characters in the movie, beginning with Trotsky, is based on malicious anti-Semitic stereotypes. They are blood-thirsty and self-promoting fanatics, devoid of human pity, contemptuous of the down-trodden masses, and insatiable in their lust for power. They are also obsessed with sex. The main male Jewish character, Trotsky, is denigrated in semi-pornographic scenes, a device of anti-Semitic defamation well-known from the propaganda of the Russian far-right and the Nazis.

    The Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 are depicted as the outcome of a Jewish conspiracy, funded from abroad. The origin of the Revolution of 1905 is a criminal pact between Trotsky and Alexander Parvus, who obtains funds from the German government. The October Revolution in 1917, the most monumental social upheaval in history, is depicted as a “coup,” orchestrated by Trotsky with the help of only two other well-known Bolshevik leaders who were also Jewish: Lev Kamenev and Grigory Zinoviev.

    Trotsky is a demonic figure who revels in death and destruction. Parvus, a significant Marxist theoretician, is motivated by nothing other than insatiable greed and appears like a caricature of the scheming money-grubber familiar from Nazi-era anti-Semitic propaganda films.

    The only sympathetic figure in this film is Trotsky’s assassin, the Stalinist agent Jacson (Ramon Mercader). He is portrayed as taking up a noble fight against Trotsky, who, the viewers are made to believe, was a veritable demon. In one scene, Trotsky’s eyes actually turn black. In case viewers miss the point, Mercader says of Trotsky, “He’s literally the devil. He sucks my soul out bit by bit, every day.” At the end of the film, the murder of Trotsky is presented as a legitimate act of self-defense by Mercader.

  140. Every time Karlin brings up the truth about Bezmenov (e.g. that he “defected” only so he could marry his Indian GF), it reminds me about how Rafael Gan Ganowicz (the guy who famously said “I don’t know what it’s like to kill a human, I’ve only ever killed communists) was actually funded by the Saudis in order to invade Yemen.

  141. Jatt Arya says

    The flesh of the cow is not considered meat in the first place.
    You should understand cultural context, why mention something which is already not eaten?
    Our rehit doesn’t say to not cows either, merely says a Singh protects cows..

    Protestants who delve into scripture only end up absorbing Jewish culture.
    Moses began the first religious tradition which implored cow slaughter||

    You are no different, if you will not see words of Truth then the path of Teer, Tabar, Talwar is left||
    Both Jain & Baudhas recognize Sri Krishna & Sri Raam as revered figures||

    Some of the names of Sri Krishna:

    Keshav – One with Unshorn Hair
    Govind – Lord of Cows
    Gopal – Protector of Cows

    The very fact Baudhas are accepted as Dharmik is evidence enough of opposition to GaoHatiya||

    Will not repeat myself,
    Prohibition of Cow Slaughter is the very basis of Aryavta||

  142. AltanBakshi says

    I very much respect those who have compassion towards cows or other animals and dont want to eat them, but killing of human kind because of beef eating is pure idiocy and being proud of it is even worse, resembles taboos of some of the most backward people in Papua New Guinea. No wonder that Muslims started to kill cows everywhere during their wars against Sikhs. Your mad fixation to cows probably made them slaughter more cows. Like if in ww1 goose had been a holy animal to Germans I think it would been quite popular in France and Britain to eat goose as often as possible. Such idiocy, I will never ever believe that Guru Nanak, blessed is his name, would been okay with killing of men because of cows. Truly a sign of Kali Yuga. Religion that you advocate has been blinded by sentimentalism. Personally I believe that Sikhs are good and honorable folk and dont share your fanaticism.

  143. songbird says

    How would you feel about the aurochs, if it were brought back?

  144. Jatt Arya says

    Your turn will come||

  145. AltanBakshi says

    Are you okay? Do you even know if I eat beef, did I even advocate beef eating? Are cows more important for you than the lives of human beings?

    This has puzzled me for a long time, why cow is more important than water buffalo? Like most Indians dont care about buffalos if they are slaughtered or eaten etc, but when its about the cow, then its so so serious. Are you racist? Do you promote bovine segregation? For water buffalos are dark and cows fair. #BuffaloLivesMatter #BLM

    Never ever would believed that I would do #BLM posting, but seems that people really can change!

  146. Jatt Arya says
  147. Jatt Arya says

    They do. Bengal & Kerala do the whole buffalo beef bs but that’s only in the last C or so under melech influence||

    Most places have switched to Goat for Bali Daan rather than Buffalo, Nepal being the most notable & ‘famous’ exception||

    Jatts raise Buffalo more than any other animal, Cow is actually kept more by Brahmin in NW.
    You can look up the amount of milk produced by each/total heads in Panjab/Haryana if curious.

    Even Bakistan punishes cattle rustling by death & has a ban on cow slaughter (females)||


    Not killing an animal which gives you milk makes sense,
    unless ur a Jew||

  148. Jatt is a very “powerful” poster, he also advocates returning to tradition on the practice of sati.

  149. AltanBakshi says

    Then most Indians are potential Jews for buffalo is commonly eaten everywhere in southern India and Bengal, not just in Kerala, also goats too give milk, and for most hindus its perfectly okay to eat goat, I think that after chicken its most permissible meat for Hindus that there is. By the way Melech is king in Hebrew, you probably mean Moloch? But strange for you to talk about Moloch’s influence, for he was a Semitic/Jewish demon often depicted in form of the bull and in no way connected to Indian culture.

    Oh now I get it, you mean the Mlecchas, how silly of me. Good that I had time to edit and add this.

  150. The Church was historically an urban faith which only slowly spread to the “pagan” countryside. However, I guess, once there, it must have maintained itself pretty well.

    It also seems to do especially well even to this day with fishermen (and other sorts of sailor).

  151. Jatt Arya says

    I guess, reality is Cow is iconic animal.

    Shibboleth of Aryas the way women’s rights are for West।।

    Guru has ordered end of Cow slaughter & that’s all there is to it; I wouldn’t expect a mutt like you to understand।।

    You were given a chance to understand by the tongue, that is done.
    When you meet the Talwar, face it bravely।।


  152. AltanBakshi says

    In my understanding Sati was originally performed rarely and done by free choice of a widow, but during Muslim invasions it exploded in popularity. During that period I think it was a noble custom, for when Muslims killed Kshatriya men in battle only possibility left for their women alive was to become part of invaders harem. So they commited huge mass suicides by burning to keep their and their familys honor intact. But in later times this tradition that was originally done by free choice became compulsory. In other words it degenerated. Have you watched Padmaavat by the way? Its quite good in my opinion. Wonderful that such movies have started to come from India, a true resurgence of traditional morality.

    Ancient Mongols did practice burning of concubines, slaves and horses on funeral pyres until Buddhist Lamas wisely forbid this barbaric custom under threat of death, so too did other ancient inhabitants of the steppe, but this is somewhat different from Indian sati. Strangely Manchus and some Mongols practiced Sati, and I mean Sati that was very similar to Indians. Even some mothers of the first Qing emperors were burned when the old emperor died. But this practice was called widow suicide and it was mostly done by free choice and disappeared completely in the beginning 18th century. Its true that some Mongol women also made widow suicides, but it was much, much rarer among the Mongols. Also I have understood that these widow suicides were mainly committed by the wives and concubines of the highest nobility, it was sign of womans chastity and loyalty to his deceased husband.

  153. Jatt Arya says

    Sati wasn’t that common & was sign of nobility.

    Jauhar is what you’re speaking of,

    British after annexation of Bengal quietly shut down funds made for maintenance of widows.

    Sati increased & many middle aged widows also started to commit suicide.

    Brits were known to want to sell widows into prostitution. has good articles on it।।

    Sikh Gurus discourage Sati as do Vedas, but it’s prerogative of women.
    Maratha Hindu Empire also started to discourage Sati with fines and sometimes death.

    Most recent mass Sati were of Sikh kings but it was mostly their Hindu wives AFAIK.

    Famous Sikh sati is Bibi Sharan Kaur Pabla who came to the fields of Chamkaur to cremate the Singhs there।।

    After completing her sacred duty she joined her husband in the heavenly adobe।।

    I support Sati as voluntary & it has become symbol of so called white man’s civility when Brits increased its occurrence in Bengal.

    The same do good nonsense that bans Sati encourages mass immigration and race mixing.

    The white race tried to destroy the sanctity of Sati Ma and is being destroyed, and will continue to be destroyed।।

    Sati Mata Ki Jai

    Also I will commend you, I decide to leave this thread but then you say something civilized so I return।।

    I believe the Vedic system of providing gold & maintenance for women is correct
    The protection of women is the duty of all men and is one of the most noble
    The protection of cows, Brahmins & Women is the duty of all Sikh।।

    The European Christian model of abdicating duties in the name of individualism is a sign of their savagery and low character।।

    Protection includes taking care of and correcting।। The European model of sexual liberation leads women to self mutilation and barren old age, again a sign of European impotency and cowardice in the face of faith and duty।।

    Beyond all memes customs like Sati, arranged marriage and honor killing are in defence of a system without which you only have civilizational death।।

    The king of Spain feared the Turks as he lay waste to the Yucatan।। The Ottoman & Mameluke elite had divorces in the 80% range।। There is nothing but Dharma if the Indians do not follow it, it will arise again here or elsewhere।।

    There is nothing but Dharma without Dharma there is only misery and emptiness।।

    The brave warrior who bears his chest in battle
    The devoted mother who sacrifices her youth in bearing him
    The Guru who teaches him bravery

    All is the highest ambition of mankind।।

    With the Sword comes the Rosary
    With the Rosary comes the Sword

    The Khanda which stirs the Amrit of the Khalsa is joined by Sugar

    Devi is Aad Shakti
    Womanhood praises a True Arya as King।।
    Chandi drinks blood & respects strength
    Aad Shakti manifests as Weapons।।
    The path of the Sword is the highest & it comes from the Great Mother।।

    You know of Guru Nanak now learn of his tenth Avatar Sacha Sodhi Patshah Guru Gobind Singh। ।


  154. AltanBakshi says

    Oh I misunderstood Jatt. Compulsory Jati is a horrible and degenerate institution, but if done by free will and under special circumstances, then its different.

  155. AltanBakshi says

    Are you sure that Sikh Gurus approved killing of those who slaughtered cows? Maybe its propaganda done by RSS? Dont misunderstand me, I believe that they were against of slaughtering of cows, but not as violently as you are.

  156. Jatt Arya says

    Gurus themselves killed Cowkillers||
    RSS doesn’t approve of violence lol.

    This is the state of Hindus 3 centuries ago:

    Then the Sikhs asked further questions to Bhai Mani Singh. “That which was written, the Gurbani within the Adi Granth, it is all of devotional nature, and, the Tenth Master’s Gurbani is of a martial [yudh] nature, along with the stories about [deceitful] women. How are we to understand the reason [in regard to the difference]?

    Then Bhai Mani Singh replied, “Just like when Arjuna was seated, having abandoned his weapons during the time of battle, and the Great King [Krishna] gave him the teaching of the Gita, and instilled within him the duty of his caste and life stage, of warfare.

    In the same way, Hindus [of this time] had recognized Dharam as being non-violent, and had abandoned their weapons. The Malecha’s [barbarians] however had grasped firmly to their weapons, and with the power of their weapons they enjoyed kingdom on the world. They also did not let the Hindu’s practice their devotional worship. The Master [Guru Gobind Singh] in recognizing his Khalsa as Raghuvanshi [descendants of Rama – warriors], wanted to give sovereignty to them.

    For this reason [Guru Gobind Singh] recited this martial Gurbani and instilled within them Shastarvidiya [the Science of Weapons], along with the teachings of spiritual wisdom, wherein one recognizes their body to be false. It was also established [being Raghuvanshi] that your duty was to wage war, and those who would instill within them spiritual wisdom, they would wander the world already liberated before death.

    I am no one, I am not an individual.
    I seek only to be at the Guru’s feet or at battle in his name||

  157. AltanBakshi says

    Is it written in Guru Granth Sahib or Dasam Granth that those who slaughter cows should be killed? For I dont believe so.

  158. AltanBakshi says

    I dont think that RSS is bad, but they clearly use violence sometimes, at least some of them.

  159. Jatt Arya says

    Yes, I posted above||

    The actions of the Guru are also a valid guide as while Spirtual Guruship passed to the Scripture,
    Human Guruship remains within the Khalsa||

    This is where scriptural reform or protestant style has no meaning in Sikhi||
    If Khalsa of 3 C. ago did Sati & slaughtered for gao hatiya it is eternally valid||

    Gather 5 Singh & go to war if you want to change it||

    Gurbani doesn’t just say to kill cow killers but that the Sikh will destroy Marhi, Gorh, Deval & Maseet

    This translates to Mound, Monastary, Mandir & Masjid Lel.

    The Karni Nama which records Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s word in Mecca are to effect that Blue Clad Khalsa burns Mecca & erases the name of Qazi Quran||

    We are Vedic, if Maharaj Parikchit beheads cow killers so do we||

    It is not that the Baudhas do not do this, protection of cattle is a Kingly duty||
    It is due to the darkness of Kali Yuga this light was darkened temporarily where you are||

    Fear not,

    For the glory of the Kali Yuga will be the greatest of all||

    Baba Nanak was filled with joy. “Go on your way,” he said. “your glory shall exceed that of all the other ages. In your kingdom there will be kirtan and katha of the most exalted kind. In other ages men performed austerities for a hundred thousand years in order to be liberated, but in your age if anyone meditates upon Naam with undivided concentration for only half an hour he will be saved.”

    You have the same spirit as Tibetans I’ve met|| The whole I’m a nerd, killing bad is something your mouth says but soul does not feel||

    Somewhere deep down, you wish for the Dark Bana of Mata Kalika||

    It’s ok to Let Go, all paths lead to death||

  160. songbird says

    I suppose that the Greeks had some large cities like Constantinople, but it seems like much of the rest of Europe had very small cities, in the wake of the collapse of Rome. (Of course, that leaves out other areas – but many argue that modern Christianity is sort of a European product.)

    And of course, Christianity did not prevent the collapse, so I’m not sure that it was an effective system of social organization, for halting a decline. It might be less effective for the same purpose today, due to increased mobility, and even greater urbanization.

  161. Jatt Arya says

    If RSS was violent, I wouldn’t call them gay||
    Are you a christcuck? You keep apologizing on behalf of monotheists while condemning pagan resistance to the expansion of exclusivism.

    Truly sad if someone of your blood has fallen to the plague, but there are cures||

  162. Blinky Bill says
  163. AltanBakshi says

    Your link had a story from Janam-Sakhi. I have never heard about it, but after I googled I learned that there are four different contradicting Janam-Sakhis, and that their status is not anywhere near Guru Grant Sahib or Dasam Grant. Maybe actions of Guru are a valid guide in Sikh Dharm, but I still not would trust if I would be a Sikh, a book that has four different versions of actions made by Guru Nanak.

    You have the same spirit as Tibetans I’ve met|| The whole I’m a nerd, killing bad is something your mouth says but soul does not feel||

    You greatly amuse me! There are seeds of truth in your statement, but our Satguru, the Teacher of Gods and Men, the Buddha said that killing and negative thoughts create bad karma and seeds of misfortune. We have an utmost respect for our Guru. It does not mean that killing is wrong in every situation, but that its a very serious act to commit and only for exceptionally good reasons that never arise from selfish impulses. I do not disrespect your Dharma, nor I speak ill words against it, so you too should not disrespect Dharma of the others, especially if you treasure your own Dharma. That also means claiming that Guru of others spoke or committed things that he did not. All life is precious in Buddhadharma, but human life is more precious than animals, as is the life of the holy men more important than lives of average beings like me or you. Therefore even if man would be bad and despicable, it would not be okay to kill him because of an animal, no matter how noble that animal is.

    Are you a christcuck? You keep apologizing on behalf of monotheists while condemning pagan resistance to the expansion of exclusivism.

    This puzzles me, do not Sikhs believe in one God, the source and master of all? Are you some Hindutva guy larping as a Sikh? Sikhs are not in any way Pagan nor polytheistic. Or if they are polytheists then the Christians are too with their Trinity, Virgin Mary and the Saints. Even most (educated)Hindus believe nowadays that all the Gods are just different aspects or manifestations of the highest God/Brahman/Ishvara/Shiv/Vishnu/Shakti. Among great world religions only we followers of Buddha keep alive the true polytheism in the way of the ancients. After all we still revere Brahma, Indra, Agni, Saraswati, Vayu, Surya(ancestor of Buddha!), Kubera and so on, and so on.The belief in Vedic gods is strong among us and they are inseparable part of our Dharma, we do not believe that they are just manifestation of the highest God or absolute. You are free to believe in Krishna or Vishnu and its your inalienable right, but Buddha never speak of him, nor do Buddhists believe in him, except as a minor protector god among some Sinhalas. In my knowledge he is a good God, but not part of our Dharma.

  164. Why would anybody have expected Christianity to halt the decline of the Western Empire?

    It probably did improve the morals of the remnant, for whatever that’s worth, which will depend on one’s viewpoint, and it did help, if not create, the recovery of the Middle Ages. The West (excluding Italy of course) was not really the most important part of the Empire and it was certainly not the most important part of the early Christian world, though there were some influential people like Irenaeus of Lyons– again though, Lyons was not a village.

    I guess you could argue that “modern Christianity” is significantly different in tone or social atmosphere from early Christianity, but then it’s also open to argue that future Christianity will be very different in these things from current Christianity. There’s no data of any kind on the matter.

    Also, Christianity was, again, mainly an urban faith in the era long before the breakup of the Roman Empire. Even today Church episcopal governance is primarily a city-based structure. You could argue that episcopal governance on the whole is not particularly good, but I doubt it’s all that much worse than political governments in the modern day.

    Again, this isn’t to say that the Church hasn’t taken hold successfully in rural life. Rural life is, however, also one of those things not remaining static in current times.

    And I’m not sure what this has to do with the growing numbers for Africa as Africa, too, becomes increasingly urban.

  165. Jatt Arya says

    The janam sakhi is an aside reference already posted Uggardanti Sahib & other bani which ref the penalty for cow slaughter, as well as the actions of Singhs through the ages||

    Sikh believe killing is the highest action||

    We would be polytheist in that we do not declare all dieties beside one to be false||
    Vedas say Ekam Sat Vipar Bahuti there is but one but he has many manifestations.

    You have an aversion to killing that is gay so instead of reading anything I’ve posted u keep trying to discredit w/e is and being like no bro that’s not true||

    Sikh is a warrior panth our Guru said but 2 lines on the Buddha:

    Now I describe the Buddha incarnation as to how the Lord assumed this form
    Buddha incarnation is the name of that one, who has no name, no place and no villate

    He, whose name and place are not described, he is only known as the Buddha incarnation
    No one has accepted his sayings in the Iron Age, who visualizes the beauty only in stone (idols).2

    Neither he is beautiful nor he does any work
    He considers the whole world like stone and calls himself the Buddha incarnation.3.

    Khalsa is the Avatar of Hari & the only Arya Panth of Kali Yuga||
    Khalsa is Dharma incarnate there is no other, going against the house of Nanak in Kali Yuga is akin to betraying Sri Ram Chandra & Sri Krishna in ages past||

    We revere all the Devas & protect the Brahmins||
    The role of Buddhists in infiltrating Sindh alongside Qasim are well known||
    The only Muslim majority parts of Aryavrat are all formerly Buddhist||

    Go read through Manglacharan insta or site. AkaalSahaiji is another one,

    ਸੋਫੀਸ਼ੂੰਮਪੰਥਨਹਿਰਾਖਨ।।ਕਿਯਕਿਸਦਾਰੁਨਕੇਅਭਿਲਾਖਨ।। [The Guru commanded] “I will not keep misers and teetotalers in my Panth, [my Singhs] will have the desire for vicious warfare.”

    Any who reject the House of Nanak in Kali Yuga are Melech||
    You can keep trying to whatabout a religion which carries weapons as being one of peace||

    We are done.
    Thank Hari for the opportunity to serve in his Fauj||


  166. songbird says

    Yes, I think the Church helped European civilization in the Middle Ages.

    In theory, one of the major functions of religion is to discourage free riders – if one accepted charity, one was expected to meet standards of behavior. But I suppose the fall of Rome was related more to general economic factors. Making parallels to today, it is tempting to try to figure out how to create better mechanisms, within a church to discourage free riders and in order to serve other purposes of trust building, but I’m not sure how it could be done.

    Re: Africa: I think the implications are more for immigration than anything else. Of course, “Catholic” means universal. One might argue for church organizational political effects. Though it is hard to get a feel for Christianity in Africa. Right now, my impression is that it appeals to only a small slice of the population (perhaps, the more elite) – meaning that it is very different from traditional Christianity in Europe, where church attendance rates were once very high. What is the TFR of this group? How is Christianity increasing? I have no idea.

    I don’t know whether things would be similar in Asia or not. I have heard that within Asia, there seems to be an positive association with IQ, and churches often seem to be about a prosperity message.

  167. Blinky Bill says
  168. Blinky Bill says

    China will add up to nine magnetic levitation railroads of over 1,000 kilometers in total length into its service network in the long term to boost regional connectivity and high-end equipment manufacturing, local governments said.

    Employees of CRRC Qingdao Sifang Co Ltd, a high-speed maglev train manufacturer, conduct tests on a maglev train in Shanghai in June. They will be composed of a tourist railway line in Southwest China’s Yunnan province, intercity passenger lines and urban mass transit lines in places such as North China’s Shanxi province, Northwest China’s Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region and Sichuan province in the nation’s southwestern region, according to official information released earlier this year.

    With the country setting the goal to run high-speed maglev trains clocked at 600 km per hour by the end of this year, East China’s Zhejiang province announced it will invest 100 billion yuan ($14.22 billion) and adopt maglev trains to build a railroad connecting Hangzhou and Shanghai, the provincial government unveiled in mid-April in its transportation development plan over the next three decades.

    It will take about 15 minutes to complete the 162-km journey at this kind of speed, said Feng Hao, a researcher at the National Development and Reform Commission’s Institute of Comprehensive Transportation.

    Compared with standard bullet trains, the high-speed maglev trains have advantages which include reduced noise and vibration, and lower maintenance costs because they do not ride on rails with wheels but hover centimeters above the track through the use of magnets, avoiding slower speeds caused by friction, he noted.

    Aside from the Yangtze River Delta region, the Development and Reform Commission of Shenzhen plans to introduce maglev rail lines to the Second Guangzhou-Shenzhen High Speed Railway to ease the operational pressure of regular and bullet trains in the area, the commission said in a feasibility study released last year.

    The Second Guangzhou-Shenzhen High Speed Railway is to be built in 2025 and is expected to be completed in 2030, said information released by the Guangzhou government in 2019.

    Chengdu, capital of Sichuan province, also said in its transportation network development plan that it intends to launch maglev services between the city and Chongqing in the future.

    China Railway Rolling Stock Corp, the country’s largest rolling stock manufacturer by production volume, is also developing wheel technology-based high-speed trains.

    The Europeans and Canadians have failed to compete with China in this field in recent years, said Chen Jian, a professor specializing in railways at Chongqing Jiaotong University.

    Japan remains a strong rival though in developing regular bullet and high-speed maglev trains. It has successfully tested 500 km/h and 603 km/h maglev trains with cryogenic superconducting technologies in recent years. Japan plans to build a high-speed maglev train line between Tokyo and Nagoya in 2027 or later.

    The tough reality has pushed manufacturers, universities and research institutions in China to make breakthroughs as soon as possible to develop maglev trains that can run at speeds between 200 km/h and 600 km/h to ensure the country has adequate market share in both future domestic and global markets, Chen said. Such trains consume less energy than wheel technology-based bullet trains currently in use, he added.

    In addition to three existing maglev railroads in Beijing, Shanghai and Changsha, two short-distance low-speed maglev railways are being constructed in Qingyuan, Guangdong province and Fenghuang county, Hunan province. Both are scheduled to be operational in 2021, said China State Railway Group, the country’s railway operator.

  169. (i used to rip the vids and then vlc to add the subtitles)

  170. AltanBakshi says

    We would be polytheist in that we do not declare all dieties beside one to be false||
    Vedas say Ekam Sat Vipar Bahuti there is but one but he has many manifestations.

    This quote of Rig Veda is familiar to me, but you made an incomplete translation, “there is one truth, which has different manifestations.”Although you can translate Sat in many ways, ultimate truth/essence of truth and so on… Still you excluded the most important word from your translation, it tells something about you….

    The role of Buddhists in infiltrating Sindh alongside Qasim are well known||
    The only Muslim majority parts of Aryavrat are all formerly Buddhist||

    I dont know about Buddhist infiltration of Sindh alongside Qasim, but you probably mean Muslim conquest of Sindh and how Sindh was a stronghold of Buddhism. I dont know if they helped, but it does not matter. Buddhists of Sind were followers of very radical or fundamentalist form of Hinayana Buddhism(Pudgalavada), they often burned holy scriptures of other Buddhists and even destroyed their statues. All Buddhist schools nowadays agree that they were heretics. So there is something karmical in their destiny I think?

    Hmm its very hard to make clear geographical separation lines between Buddhists and followers of Vedic and and Shakti traditions in ancient times. But I can say with great trust that West Bengal, Orissa, especially Bihar, Andra Pradesh and probably Western Maharashtra were majority Buddhist areas, I also do believe that UP was during some parts of its history and most of Punjab. Almost forgot HP, Chinese pilgrims said that Kullu valley had hundreds of monasteries, although I think thats an exaggeration for they lacked population to support so many monasteries there.

    Guru Nanak is greatly respected among the Buddhists and he even traveled to Tibet, never ever he used so violent words like you. Nor showed any fanaticism.

  171. Jatt Arya says

    Sikh say Sat Sri Akaal

    Not intentionally mistranslating anything just not a nerd||

    If you really respect Guru Nanak Dev Ji then understand he has 10 incarnations||
    If you try to pick and choose you are uttering falsehood||

    Guru Nanak Dev Ji carried weapons and ate meat||
    Other Gurus did as well||

    Go read Rehit: The Guru Himself became initiated in Khalsa and followed same Rehit.

    Weapons and Warfare
    A Khalsa should never be without a weapon. Do not pray without having your weapons with you.
    In battle the Khalsa should never be defeated. Sustain the spirit which declares, `I shall kill the enemy! ‘ In a fight never turn you back or flee from the field of battle. In battle the Singh should roar like a lion. Let him do the deeds of a Kshatriya, crying `Kill! Kill!’ as he fights. Never wield a weapon against another Singh. See him as the Guru. The Khalsa who is killed in battle will certainly go to paradise. The glory of he who wins will resound the whole world over.

    Attitude Towards Muslims
    Smite Turks with immense vigour. A Singh who obeys the Rahit does not bow when he meets a Turk. Never serve Turks, never greet a Turk, never trust Turks. Serve only the Khalsa. Avoid Muslim huttha meat. By fighting them face to face the Muslims will be defeated. Remain ever alert against the Turks. A Turk should be neither accepted as a master nor treated with deference. Keep Muslims away from your cooking-square when preparing for a langar. Muslims are polluted.

    Fruits of many kinds there shall be, upon the sight of the timeless. All shall recite VAHEGURU and achieve salvation.
    Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish.
    The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man).
    He will make all utter VAHEGURU. All Singhs shall flock under his banner.
    All shall know him as the True One. He will sit at the throne of Delhi.

    The Khalsa shall Rule. There will be no-one left to oppose them. All who are lost shall gain the safety of the Khalsa

    Karni Nama
    While Guru Nanak was in Mecca and Medina, Qazi Rukan Din asked, True King, tell us your prophecy again. Tell us how you will unfold the future?. Your name is Nanak Nirankari and you are from the Nation of the Lord. What are the instructions for the future?

    I shall make people from all four corners into one. They will be in Majjha; They will raid Lahore.

    They will bring Potohaar to justice; They will take Peshawar.

    They will set up a cantonment at Attock and then open the Khyber Pass.

    They will establish a kingdom in Kabul and then take Ghazni. After bringing Hazaara to justice they will march on to Kandahar.

    After taking Balack and Buckaara, they will conquer Sindh and Baloch.

    After gaining victory over these lands they shall govern all the people.

    Mecca, Medina and Rome shall tremble. They shall gain victory in battle over south and west India.

    The Guru’s Army shall sit at the throne of Delhi. Umbrellas of kingship shall sway over their heads. All shall be content.

    From East to West all shall be conquered. None shall challenge the Khalsa. All humanity shall become one.

    In the kingdom of the True King, Satjug shall be established.

    The Khalsa Panth shall rule. The arrows of death shall not touch them.

    The Army of the Timeless shall grow and spread like locusts.

    All shall wear vestments of blue; no one else shall be seen. Listen Qazi Rukan Din, The Singhs shall rule.

    The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more.

  172. I don’t know very much about Africa, and parts of Africa are probably different anyway– South Africa, for instance, has a ridiculously high illegitimacy rate whereas Nigeria has a fairly low one. This presumably reflects a pretty wide cultural gap.

    The African bishops seem, for the most part, at least actually to be Christian, which is a step up from some places.

    Certainly in South Asia as far as I can tell people of all economic strata tend to be firmly attached to a religion; even if they are atheists they tend to be firmly attached to some dogmatic system of progressive or conservative atheism. Possibly this is because religion is a key part of ethnic or other community identity there.

    As far as free riders are concerned I think Christianity works both ways– it encourages “free riders” to contribute something but it also encourages aid to those who can contribute very little by its insistence on the strong helping out the weak. Of course in times of persecution, as in the early period, Christianity is pretty successful at ridding itself of would-be free riders.

    I’m not going to venture opinions on the endlessly debated subject of why the Empire collapsed, but it always seemed to me that the imperial system in northern Europe was something of an artificial structure. Anyway, the Roman empire had a pretty good run as empires go.

    I think rural regions, at least historically speaking, are usually somewhat more ritualistic in tone of life than urban regions. This is true whether their religion is pagan or Christian or whatever else. Of course, there are always exceptions, such as the village of Ars before its most famous resident arrived.

  173. AltanBakshi says

    Guru Nanak Dev Ji carried weapons and ate meat||
    Other Gurus did as well||

    Interesting, the meat of which animals? There is nothing wrong in carrying of weapons by the way.

  174. AltanBakshi says
  175. Jatt Arya says

    Here’s a famous example,

    Many of the names for the Cow in Vedas translate to must not be cut, must not be harmed||

    What you linked is called Kirtan or devotional music||

    Guru Hargobind Sahib (6th Nanak) began the tradition of Dhaadi Vaar or Warrior Ballads.
    He also founded the Akal Sena or Immortal Army.

    Here’s an example of a Dhaad from his time on Jamel Phata two Rajput brothers who fought against Akbar at Chittorgarh.

    Kuldeep Manak’s music is v famous. Panjab has Kissay as well or folk tales such Sucha Soorma or Jagga Jatt, both dacoits of the 20s who freed cows & protected Brahmins.

    I believe a Buddhist aversion to meat & alcohol led many Jatis associated with it to fall in status.
    Aryas do not kill cows||
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji forbade carrion, donkey & domestic pork.
    There are certain things which are culturally understood and anyone willfully ignorant of them finds ruin||

    For example, when Rehit says treat every woman but your wife as mother or sister.
    Well, in places like Iran or Egypt both of those were acceptable for marriage, but anyone suggesting that’s the message here is acting in contempt.

    Cow Slaughter is against Dharma, punishable by death in Sikh Raaj||

  176. Jatt Arya says

    Here’s some Kirtan Das has on phone:

    Dasam Bani in praise of Khalsa:

    Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s bani: He who dies, let him die such a death he never need die again||

    Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s Firearm

    ਜ਼ਹਿਰ ਕੀ ਜੌਹਰ ਕੈ ਕਹਿਰ ਕਿ ਕਰਾਮਾਤ, ਕਾਲਕਾ ਕਰਾਲ ਕੀ ਕੈ ਬਡੀ ਬਡੀ ਕੂਕੇ ਹੈਂ ।
    A poisonous proclivity; a miracle of mayhem; [the gun shots] ring and roar like the screams from the terrifying Dark Goddess Kalika

    ਬੀਜਰੀ ਕੋ ਪੁੰਜ ਹੈ, ਕਿ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕੀ ਕੁੰਜ ਹੈ, ਜਮਾਤ ਜਮ ਗੁੰਜ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਸਰਪਨ ਸੀ ਸ਼ੂਕੈ ਹੈਂ ।
    [Perhaps you could say the gun’s blasts] are the embodiment of lightening ! Or it’s barrels are the doors of Death ! Or it’s blasts are the roars of the Angels of Death, or it is the hissing of snakes !

    ਕਲਹ ਕੀ ਕੁਲਾਹਾਲ, ਹਲਾਹਲ ਕੀ ਨਲਕੀ ਹੈਂ ਭਨਤਿ ਸੰਤੋਖ ਸਿੰਘ ਪਾਵਕ ਭਬੂਕੈ ਹੈਂ।
    It is the clamoring of the clash, the barrel is like a pipe from which poison flows; says Santokh Singh, [look] at His guns flash fire!

    ਅਜਬ ਗਜਬ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਕੋਪ ਲਬਾਲਬ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਮਜ੍ਹਬ ਕੀ ਬਿਜੈ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਬੰਦੂਕ ਹੈਂ ।
    What a wonderful indescribable sight ! This canon filled to the brim, the sign of victory of war, such is the gun of Guru Gobind Singh

    The Sikh Identity
    At the young age of ten, Guru Gobind Singh has a discussion with a Sikh in Delhi who took care of Guru Tegh Bahadur’s funeral rites. In discussion the Sikh from Delhi tells Guru Gobind Singh how no one came forward to claim the body. The Mughal commander had asked the gathering if anyone was a Sikh and the Sikh from Delhi explains to Guru Gobind Singh:

    ਹਮ ਹੈ ਸਿੱਖ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੁੰ ਬਤਾਵਾ । ਦਬਕ ਰਹੇ ਨਿਜ ਨਿਜ ਘਰ ਥਾਵਾ ।੬।
    “No one had said, ‘I am a Sikh’, they all cowered back into their respective houses

    ਡਰਤ ਰਿਦੇ ਕੋ ਦੇ ਨ ਬਤਾਇ । ਸ਼ਾਹ ਬੰਧਿ ਹਮ ਦੇ ਮਰਿਵਾਇ। ਦੁਰਿ ਦੁਰਿ ਗਏ ਆਪਨੇ ਘਰ ਮਹਿਂ । ਨਹਿਂ ਮਾਨੀ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਕਿਸ ਪੁਰਿ ਮਹਿਂ ।੭।
    In their hearts they were afraid and no one said anything, they thought, the Emperor will round them up and kill them. They all went away to their own houses, no one recognized themselves as Sikh. ”

    ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਸੁਨਿ ਕਰਿ ਐਸੇ । ਗਰਜਤਿ ਬੋਲੇ ਜਲਧਰ ਜੈਸੇ । ਇਸ ਬਿਧਿ ਕੋ ਅਬਿ ਪੰਥ ਬਨਾਵੌਂ । ਸਕਲ ਜਗਤ ਮਹਿਂ ਬਹੁ ਬਿਦਤਾਵੌਂ ।੮।
    Listening to this Guru Gobind Singh roared, like thunder from a cloud, and said, “Now I will create such a Panth that will be greatly spread across the entire world

    ਲਾਖਹੁ ਜਗ ਕੇ ਨਰ ਇਕ ਥਾਇਂ । ਤਿਨ ਮਹਿਂ ਮਿਲੇ ਏਕ ਸਿਖ ਜਾਇ । ਸਭ ਮਹਿਂ ਪ੍ਰਥਕ ਪਚਾਨ੍ਯੋ ਪਰੈ । ਰਲੈ ਨ ਕ੍ਯੋਂਹੂੰ ਕੈ ਸਿਹੁ ਕਰੈ । ੯।
    If all the world’s people get together in one spot, and just one Sikh is amongst them, everyone will recognize that one [Sikh] different from them all; [My Sikh] will not be able to mix with the others

    ਜਥਾ ਬਕਨ ਮਹਿਂ ਹੰਸ ਨ ਛਪੈ । ਗ੍ਰਿੱਝਨਿ ਬਿਖੈ ਮੋਰ ਜਿਸ ਦਿਪੈ । ਜ੍ਯੋ ਖਰ ਗਨ ਮਹਿਂ ਬਲੀ ਤੁਰੰਗ । ਜਥਾ ਮ੍ਰਿਗਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਕੇਹਰਿ ਅੰਗ ।੧੦।
    Just like how herons cannot hide amongst swans; Just like vultures amongst peacocks; like donkeys with a strong steed; Just like a tiger amongst a herd of deer

    ਤਿਨ ਨਾਨਾ ਭੇਖਨ ਕੇ ਮਾਂਹਿ । ਮਮ ਸਿਖ ਕੋ ਸਗਲੋ ਪਰਖਾਹਿਂ ।
    There are numerous types of identities but you will [always] be able to identify my Sikh

    Guru Gobind Singh’s Sword – Kavi Santokh Singh
    ਨਿਕਸਤ ਮ੍ਯਾਨ ਤੈ ਹੀ, ਛਟਾ ਘਨ ਮ੍ਯਾਨ ਤੈ ਹੀ, ਕਾਲ ਜੀਹ ਲਹਿ ਲਹਿ ਹੋਇ ਰਹੀ ਹਲਿ ਹਲਿ ॥
    As His sword glides out of its sheath it glitters like lightening and it’s thunder is like thunder of dense dark clouds; the blade shivers in the air like the hungry devouring tongue of death.
    ਲਾਗੈ ਅਰਿ ਗਰ, ਗੇਰੇ ਧਰ ਪਰਿ ਧਰ ਸਿਰ, ਧਰਤਿ ਨ ਧੀਰ ਚਾਰੋਂ ਚੱਕ ਪਰੈ ਚਲਿ ਚਲਿ ॥
    When it strikes the neck of the enemy, the Earth begins to tremble, as in all four corners the Earth cannot bear the weight of heaps of falling heads and bodies.
    ਕੌਨ ਰਹੈ ਠਾਂਢੋ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਆਪਿ ਆਗੈ, ਜਲ ਥਲ ਉਥਲ ਪਥਲ ਹੋਇ ਥਲਿ ਥਲਿ ॥
    Who would dare to stand steady before this sword of my Guru Gobind Singh !! as it brings havoc on the Earth, sky and oceans.
    ਭਾਜੈਂ ਬਿਨ ਦੇਰ ਨੇਰਿ ਕਰੈਂ ਨ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਸਿੰਘ ਹੇਰਿ ਸ਼ਮਸ਼ੇਰ ਸਮ ਸ਼ੇਰ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਲ ਪਲ ॥
    Seeing your magnanimous sword, O my Guru, Poet Santhok Singh says, the enemy does not stay near but runs without delay with fear as if a lion is about to devour them in the next moment !

    https://www.instagram com/p/B_hBxh3lOa4/

    https://www.instagram com/p/B_IyiCwlX_g/

    https://www.instagram com/p/B5-2Tt2FVO0/

    Meat in Langar was stopped to accomodate Jains.
    Meat for Khalsa is MahaPrasaad, still served on Holi & Diwali.

    ਕਬਹੂੰ ਰਣ ਜੁਝਿਯੋ ਨਹੀ ਕਛੁ ਦੈ ਜਸੁ ਨਹੀ ਲੀਨ ।।⁣
    Those who have never fought in the battlefield, never given charity or praised [the Divine].⁣

    ਗਾਂਵ ਬਸਤਿ ਜਾਨਿਯੋ ਨਹੀ ਜਮ ਸੋ ਕਿਨ ਕਹਿ ਦੀਨ ।।੨੨।।⁣
    I’m not sure who has told Death that those people can still be found residing in their village.
    ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕ, ਦਸਮ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ, ਅੰਗ ੭੨⁣
    Bachitar Natak, Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Page 72

  177. Jatt Arya says
  178. Blinky Bill says
  179. AltanBakshi says

    I believe a Buddhist aversion to meat & alcohol led many Jatis associated with it to fall in status.

    You should accuse Brahmans of that, especially Vaishnavites. Most Buddhists have eaten meat through history, even Buddha himself ate meat, although in Chinese translated Tripitaka he does not eat meat, but in all other canons he does eat, but of course only if offered and if animal has not been slaughtered for Buddha or for monks. Also alcohol has never been prohibited in Buddhism, except for monks. In Sikh Dharma too you dont eat meat in Gurudwaras, nor smoke or drink, right? Not at least in my experience. And many Sikhs are vegetarians. But if Buddhists eat meat then its better to minimize the suffering of animal and kill it as swiftly as possible, this too resembles the logic of Sikh Jhatka. Also Buddhists abhor ritually slaughtered animals flesh, this too is very similar with Sikhs. I should explain this more precisely, for a Buddhist monk, if he is not following Chinese Dharmaguptaka Vinaya, or a layperson meat is not prohibited, but some Buddhists personally practice high level Boddhisattva path and that does not allow eating of meat. In my understanding there are also Sikhs who follow some panths which do not allow eating of meat?

    Some more music, thank Tengri that the shitty trend of horrible Mongolian gangsta rap has ended.

  180. AltanBakshi says

    Nowadays its quite common for many Indians and westerners to say that the Karma is bitch or that evildoer will get his punishment etc, funnily they forgot that if you really believe in Karma, then there is no innocence and that those who have suffered in the hands of the wrongdoer, also have done evil deeds and have suffered the results of their own Karma. Silly and short viewed view of Karma. Or very ignorant. At least His Holiness believes that Tibetans are suffering from their past misdeed of invading the Tang dynasty and killing of lots of Chinese in ancient times.

    Oh if I write only this much then people will start saying that Buddhadharma is a fatalistic philosophy. Not at all, we can purify our Karma with perseverance and right conduct, its just that most beings do not persevere long enough on the right road or mistake the sources of happiness or develop small obscurations in cognition, like as example pride on ones pure behaviour(when practicing right conduct), which is grasping on self, or view that self has some permanent attributes, which makes it better than others, which will give rise to dualistic viewpoints etc, and then they again fall on the Samsara.

    Insufferable accent by the way.

  181. Jatt Arya says

    ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥
    Victory & Blessings Of One God Abound

    ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥
    May Sri Bhagauti Protect

    ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ ॥
    An Ode to the Sword – the Divine Power

    ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ ॥
    Uttered by Patishahi 10 Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji

    ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਭਗਤ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਤਿਸੇ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਰਣਧੀਰ ਧਰੇ ॥
    I, the divine Bhagauti, only belong to those devotees who stay steadfast and resolute in the battle field.

    ਹਉ ਅੰਗ ਸੰਗ ਤੇ ਲਾਗ ਹੂੰ ਜੋ ਪਾਛੈ ਪਗ ਨਾ ਧਰੇ ॥
    For those who do not take a single step back in the battle field, I remain close to them as if I am part of their bodies.

    ਸਵਯਾ ॥ ਭਗਤ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਜਗ ਅਰੰਭ ਰਚਾਇ ਹੈ ॥
    God created divine sword before beginning the task of creation of the world.

    ਰੱਣ ਰੂਪ ਭਿਭੂਤ ਚੜ੍ਹਾਇ ਕੈ ਡੱਫ ਡਉਰੂ ਡੰਕ ਬਜਾਇ ਹੈ ॥
    In the battle field, God smeared divine ash on his body, and started kettle drums in jubilation.

    ਕੱਲ ਨਾਰਦ ਹੱੜ ਹੱੜ ਹਸਿਆ ਰਣ ਸਾਬਤ ਜੁਧ ਮਚਾਇ ਹੈ ॥
    Kalyugi Narad burst with laughter as the battle began to raze.

    ਦੁਲ ਦੁਲ ਖਿੰਗ ਬਿਗਿਸਆ ਰਣ ਕਹਰ ਕੁਹਰ ਬਰਖਾਇ ਹੈ ॥
    Just like lions are jubilant to jump at their targets, there is joy on the faces of the brave fighters.

    Read somewhere that Brahmin used to eat meat but then stopped to out virtue signal Shramanics. When you mentioned MahaKala & Mongols everything made sense.

    Sikh do not smoke. Sikh can eat meat in Gurudawaras but prepare sattvic langar so anyone can partake. Look up Jhatka Hazur Sahib, animals are slaughtered to dress weapons with blood.

    Alcohol is allowed but discouraged, Sikh mainly use cannabis, opium for battle (afeem).
    Aurangzeb had decreed all meat in Mughal Raaj must be halal and sharia applied if you ate it.
    So Singhs did Jhatka of the Turk (Muslim).

    Sikh have Nirmala and Nihang, Nirmala learn Sanskrit & avoid meat/intoxicants. Nihang learn Shastar Vidiya, what happened post British is Nihang were removed from Panjab so lay Sikh came under sway of Nirmalas. Now normalcy returning especially post insurgency.

    Panjab tends to have hip hop trend under Congress state gov then go back to trad w/ Akali Dal.

    Sikh is one panth (path) but there are multiple Rehit Maryada (code). Maryada is Sanskrit for border ie something which eats men, commonly interpreted as code of death. People can have own Rehit for their Jatha (warband) however, 4 points of excommunication for Sikh are:

    Guru Sahib said:

    Na Hukah, Na Halal, Na Harem, Na Hajamat.
    Multiple partners for Kings has been allowed but they mean concubines. Hajamat means to shave.

    Where are all the drums in your war songs though?

    Here is composition by Tenth Master

    Jamaicans got the dumroo/dhol style beat from Indian migrants and this developed into hiphop in NY. :shrug:

    Idk, there’s lot of Panjabi music half of the trending on youtube is. We could post all day 😀
    Liked the last 2 Mongol ones.

  182. Jatt Arya says

    Sat Sri Akaaal.

    Partition happened over Jhatka as when a Mullah said Pakistan would have only Halal, Sikh raised the sword.

    All along the platform, she later wrote, blue-turbaned Sikhs sat cross-legged, their curved kirpans across their knees, patiently waiting for the next arriving Special.

    ਮਾਤਾ ਕਾਲੀ ਦਾ ਕਾਲਾ ਬਾਣਾ ਸਿੰਘਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ।
    The dark Bana [uniform] of Mata Kaali [Devi] was given to the Singhs.
    ‘ਸਿੰਘ’ ਮਾਤਾ ਦਾ ਬਾਹਨ, ਸੋ ਪੰਥ ਨਾਮ ਹੈ ਠਹਿਰਾਇਆ । ੪੨੯ ।
    The Tiger [Singh] is the vehicle of the Mata, due to this the Panth received the name of Singh.

    ਅਗੇ ਹੋਰ ਸੁਣੋ ਛੰਦ, ਜੋ ਆਪ ਰਸਨੀ ਉਚਾਰਾ । ਕਾਰਨ ਤੁਰਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਨਾਸੈ, ਪੰਥ ਸਵਾਰਾ ।
    Listen to the following passage, which the Guru has spoken with his tounge. The Panth will become beautiful after destroying the Turks.

    ਤਾਂ ਸੀਸ ਕੇਸ ਰਖ ਸਿਪਾਹੀ ਕਰਨੇ । ਕਟਿ ਸ਼ਾਸ਼ਤ੍ਰ ਬੰਧਵਾਇ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਮ ਧਰਨੇ ।
    [And the Guru remarked], Adorning [unshorn] hair on your head, you shall be warriors, fastening weapons to your waist, and adopting Singh [Tiger] in your name.

    ਮਾਤਾ ਕਾਲੀ ਦਾ ਬਾਣਾ ਨੀਲਾ ਪਹਿਰਾਵਣਾ ।
    [You shall] wear the blue dress of Mata Kali [The Dark Goddess]

    ਕਰਨਾ ਜੁਧ ਨਾਲਿ ਤੁਰਕਾਂ ਦੇ ਮਾਰਿ ਹਟਾਵਣਾ ।293।
    Conducting war with the Turks you will kill and stop [their tyranny].

    ਜੇ ਆਪ ਤੁਰਕਾਂ ਦਾ ਕਰਦੇ ਸੰਘਾਰੁ ।ਤਾ ਪੰਥ ਦਾ ਕੀਕੂੰ ਕਰਦੇ ਉਧਾਰ । ੪੩੪ ।
    If [Guru Ji] destroyed the Turks by Himself, then how would the Panth be liberated?

    ਹੁਣਿ ਤਾਂ ਪੰਥ ਨੂੰ ਏਹੁ ਟਹਲ ਹੈ ਬਤਾਈ ।
    Now this is the service that the Panth was told.

  183. Jatt Arya says

    The part after listen to following passage is from different post.

    You should really read the first one Bakshi..