Open Thread 155


Guirkinger, C., Aldashev, G., Aldashev, A., & Fodor, M. (2020). Economic Persistence despite Adverse Policies: Evidence from Kyrgyzstan (No. 2020-39). ULB — Universite Libre de Bruxelles. https://ideas.repec.org/p/eca/wpaper/2013-312572.html (h/t @whyvert). Finds the same thing even for Kyrgyzstan: Richer and more powerful tribes had greater representation in 1970s Soviet elite.

With gas prices low, I recommend content creators/brand owners to snap up an .eth domain. They are cheap but could become quite important come Web 3.0. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

  • UKRAINE. Ukraine using $2B of its meager resources to buy British warships and kneeling for the honor… well, I suppose the UK’s provocation of Russia by sailing its destroyer through Crimean waters was not so surprising. The “lost” documents about that were obviously a leak. Meanwhile, China also forces Ukraine to kneel by (allegedly) threatening vaccine supplies if Kiev had insisted on keeping its name on the list of states condemning its actions in Xinjiang.

Israel proved more faithful to the US, though. Hanania: “US loves Muslim rights so much, it pressures Israel to criticize China. Because that’s where Israel can make a difference in giving Muslims rights, in Xinjiang.”

 

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  2. Passer by says

    Karlin: Czechia is socially liberal

    Karlin: See Lyman Stone

    Lyman Stone on what explains Czechia becoming what will probably be the highest TFR developed country (apart from Israel) in 2021.

    What’s super funny about this is Czechia has a fairly “progressive” reputation and has not had the kind of loudmouthed God And Country-ism of, say, Hungary, yet their policies are in some sense even more “traditionalist.”

    LMAO : )

  3. Triteleia Laxa says

    Random question: are there any examples of Russian and Chinese elites intermarrying?

  4. Triteleia Laxa says

    Middling in the Gender equality index:

    24 14 New Zealand 0.094
    25 8 Australia 0.097
    26 19 United Kingdom 0.109
    26 48 Montenegro 0.109
    28 35 Poland 0.115
    29 32 Greece 0.116
    29 43 Croatia 0.116
    31 31 UAE 0.118
    31 53 Belarus 0.118
    33 14 Israel 0.123
    34 34 Lithuania 0.124
    35 64 Serbia 0.132
    36 27 Czechia 0.136

    But pretty high in other progressive measures:

    Abortion in the Czech Republic is legally allowed up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, with medical indications up to 24 weeks of pregnancy, in case of grave problems with the fetus at any time.

    The Czech Republic is often considered the most progressive former Eastern Bloc country in regards to lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights.[1]

  5. Passer by says

    The UN Gender Equality Index is a joke, it covers only several indicators. The WEF one covers dozens of indicators and puts Czechia at number 78, one of the worst offenders in the European Union.

    But pretty high in other progressive measures

    And pretty low in other progressive measures, such as third world immigration and diversity quotas too.

  6. Morton's toes says

    The American Director National Intelligence UFO report is out.

    https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

    There is nothing new in it. Some members of the UFO community are giddy that things are finally moving and walking back 70 years of secrecy is such a huge project that baby steps are the most that can be expected at this point.

    I have gotten Jacques Vallee’s new book.

    https://www.amazon.com/TRINITY-Best-Kept-Jacques-F-Vall%C3%A9e/dp/B094ZQ1GW5

    1. I read it in two sittings and like it very much.
    2. It is centered on one case, a 1945 close encounter 3rd kind.
    3. They have extensive testimony from three witnesses. Two witnesses to the original UFO crash landing and one witness who handled alien artifacts in the late 1950’s. Two of the witnesses are still alive including one of the eyewitnesses to the craft and the aliens in 1945.
    4. To me the most interesting information in the book is a casual remark in the end; until they show otherwise all that can be expected from the American government is a snow job on this subject. It has been awhile since I have read or heard anybody use the terminology snow job.

    Also:

    A. After reading the book I wondered why it has gotten virtually no press coverage but I dug around and quickly discovered . . .
    B. His co-author Paola Harris (she did the bulk of the questions in the interviews; Vallee never met one of the witnesses who died before he started working with Harris) is into organized meetings with aliens. Grant Cameron has a book about a group of Peru-based alien contactees at Mt. Shasta and Harris is a leading character in that book. The group claims the aliens give them a message to be at these coordinates on this date at that time and they will show up; 90 people gather at the (x, y, z, t); they claim the aliens show up.
    C. I happened to have Cameron’s book sitting in my un-read stack after buying it a few months ago and it is short and informative but Cameron is not a polished writer. He is a very good speaker.
    D. None of this organized alien field trip extremism is covered in Vallee’s book but Harris is a person who might be considered untouchable by mainstream press.

    If you are a die-hard you might be interested in Cameron’s book:

    https://www.amazon.com/PORTALS-UFOs-MOUNT-SHASTA/dp/B08JDXBK2C/

  7. Max Payne says

    UFOs. Pshh… All a smoke screen to build up a force in 8 years for an Iran War

    Sums it up exactly.

  8. songbird says

    Regarding the question of why Muslims wash their feet: I’m skeptical that it had anything to do with odor. These were people with some pretty strong BO, not counting the feet. Anyway, many were shoeless and so well-ventilated.

    I would guess it had something to do with being footsore from walking, or protecting prayer rugs.

  9. songbird says

    Putting aside the issue of his death, what was the matter with John McAfee?

    Haven’t been following him very closely, but I watched a friendly interview in the past year. I found him very jarring. Like, I would be physically uncomfortable to be in the same room with him. His tonality and mannerisms, his unpredictability.

    I was thinking he must have schizophrenia, and/or be on some weird combination of drugs. But I’d be curious if anyone had a better diagnosis.

  10. Lyman Stone

    A “One billion Americans” type neoconservative.

    Not to be trusted farther than he can be thrown.

  11. In another edition of “The liberal that Karlin really is”, remember when Swedish policies were praised here for having higher fertility?

    Oh wait, it wasn’t ethnic Swedes that boosted the birth rate.

    Rural Redstani have the highest TFR outside of Israel.

    American exceptionalism is real my friends.

  12. Was there not some study that it is the Haredis and the Orthodox that are doing the heavy lifting as far as Israel’s TFR are concerned?

  13. …Ukraine using $2B of its meager resources to buy British warships and kneeling for the honor…

    They borrowed the money. I am not sure they plan to pay it back.

    The TFR in Czechia is rising because it is a normal country that has the required infrastructure for having and raising kids. Most of the West doesn’t have it anymore, and US is a complete horror show where kids are basically a privilege of wealth, unless one is designated as “under-privileged”.

    Czechs are not liberal, they are simply permissive and tend not to care what others are doing. But that is not liberalism, Czechs are in general personally quite traditional and conservative. They just don’t force it on others.

  14. Barbarossa says

    I believe they are like the Amish of the Jews as per family size. Considering that as a group they don’t really get on so well with Zionism or the currently constituted state of Israel, I wonder how that may play out if they start to overtake secular Jewish immigration into Israel?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

    Non Haredi have a growth rate of 1.2% while Haredi are at 5%.

  15. Triteleia Laxa says

    Czechs are not liberal, they are simply permissive and tend not to care what others are doing. But that is not liberalism, Czechs are in general personally quite traditional and conservative. They just don’t force it on others.

    Sounds extremely liberal. Like when the ACLU defended the Nazis.

  16. Yellowface Anon says

    Not thay I know of (and why would you ask that?)

  17. Yellowface Anon says

    He’s on softcore libertarianism.

  18. Yellowface Anon says

    Lyman Stone on what explains Czechia becoming what will probably be the highest TFR developed country (apart from Israel) in 2021.

    What’s super funny about this is Czechia has a fairly “progressive” reputation and has not had the kind of loudmouthed God And Country-ism of, say, Hungary, yet their policies are in some sense even more “traditionalist.”

    yoy TFR changes explain quite little, look at 3-yr rolling averages and prospective parent cohort size. In this metrics Czechia is still firmly within the Central Europan average.

    I wonder how that may play out if they start to overtake secular Jewish immigration into Israel?

    Non Haredi have a growth rate of 1.2% while Haredi are at 5%.

    The Haredi takeover of the country need to happen ASAP. Israel will then be a Jewish Republic Pakistan-style (not Iran, which is rapidly secularizing!), and G-d knows what fate awaits Palestineans (who probably has lower fertility than the average Jew then)

  19. Triteleia Laxa says

    I have strange thoughts?

  20. Even secular Jews are above replacement in Israel. Total Jewish fertility is statistically similar with Muslim fertility. While Christian/Druze fertility is rather lower.

    If not for the salience of nationalism, secular Jews would probably be just as abysmal as their counterparts in the rest of the developed world.

    There’s nothing present in liberalism today that seems to ask white liberals to reproduce in the interest of liberalism.

  21. Most of the West doesn’t have it anymore, and US is a complete horror show where kids are basically a privilege of wealth

    Bluestan is not America.

  22. Morton's toes says

    Also:

    Oumuamua: I read Loeb’s paper on oumuamua where he starts off with the Sherlock Holmes thing about eliminating the impossible and what’s left has to be true.

    I do not like that epigram.

    1. It is wrong.
    2. Sherlock Holmes is a fictional detective. Also Doyle promoted a bunch of bogus fairy photographs and was a documented (fool or charlatan). < —— pick one

    The stories are great but please let's not get carried away. This isn't a star trek cult meeting.

    1. The contra-argument is the Rumsfeld unknown unknown business which is logically tight.
    2. Maybe we might call this the Sherlock Holmes Fallacy.

    There is a lot of bias in the wikipedia article of oumuamua that I saw. They said NO evidence it ain't just a rock and the people who say otherwise are incompetent. The artists' depictions which appear based on no data probably don't help.

    Crypto: the head and shoulders pattern is so perfect it almost looks like there is a hidden hand manipulating this market. Please work on another long cryptocurrency piece when you get time! I am on board with the idea that crypto is going to kill it in the the 2030's. It is a pity McAffee got the cocaine jones. That demon has taken out quite a few. Did you ever read that magazine article where the writer was at Jerry Garcia's house and he was cutting up a coke rock the size of a golf ball?

  23. Californian Candidate says

    I’ve come across many western media articles lately about how Russians are refusing vaccines and some saying they’d get vaccinated only with pfizer or moderna. Being anti-vax is one thing. Saying you would get vaxed but don’t trust Russian ones is infuriatingly stupid and downright unpatriotic.

    Seriously, this has to be a whole new level of retarded globohomo worship. Same kind of people who, like those Ukrainian generals, would kneel to a westerner at any chance they get. T

    his begs the question, how does a country like Russia have any future when a fair chunk of its population is this retarded and Russophobic ?

  24. Yellowface Anon says

    There is basically no unified “America”, or that has ever existed. At this point we’re talking US statistics like the USSR (and I’m not talking about the inaccuracy)

    Audacious Epigone will fare a lot better if he can disaggregate poll data based on this map:
    https://miro.medium.com/max/1838/1*cWrZcapekHfj5aI0HeaWkg.jpeg

  25. Yellowface Anon says

    You’re like asking if Florida has a future when DeSantis disavows vaccine passpports and eschew county-level COVID restrictions.

    Florida has a bright future, Russians who either get Sputnik V & being antivaxx too. But not Calis with their blind obedience mind virus and self-Russophobes in the cargo cult.

  26. Yellowface Anon says

    oh no:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Members_of_Neturei_Karta_Orthodox_Jewish_group_protest_against_Israel.jpg
    https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/cropped_img_md/public/2019-03/neturei%203.jpg?h=dba5e3ef&itok=hjHzBnfc
    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/02/000_1DQ7ER-e1550999066380.jpg
    (Neturei Karta is only a group among a whole spectrum of Haredi opinions ranging to collaborationism to disengagement with Zionist institutions. That said lots of Haredis believe a state of Israel shouldn’t be established until the prophetic End Times)

  27. You are mistaking indifference for defence. They are not the same thing.

  28. Blinky Bill says

    The leader of the Chinese Communist Party and the daughter of Russian nobleman who was stripped of his lands in the Russian revolution.

  29. Malenfant says

    Oumuamua: I read Loeb’s paper on oumuamua where he starts off with the Sherlock Holmes thing about eliminating the impossible and what’s left has to be true.

    I do not like that epigram.

    Loeb, whose book on Oumuamua was poorly written and poorly argued, is the worst sort of armchair-philosopher — the sort who doesn’t have a child’s grasp of logic, but read Sartre and Camus as a teen and thinks that he knows it all. (This is literally his background in philosophy, as he explains in his book; as a young man, he considered studying philosophy with an eye towards becoming an existentialist philosopher!)

    …But this doesn’t mean that he’s wrong about Oumuamua. It only means that, like an incompetent and scatter-brained trial lawyer, he doesn’t always make the best case for it.

    The default assumption or null hypothesis that Oumuamua is a completely natural object has a lot of problems. Loeb’s hypothesis — that it’s a cosmic buoy or trip-wire — fits the facts. But there are an awful lot of “unknown unknowns,” and it’s far too late for us to catch up with Oumuamua, so it’ll probably remain mysterious for a very long time.

    But the more time passes without another encounter with an Oumuamua-like object, the stranger it seems.

  30. Noah Smith and Scott Alexander are exchanging views views on Jewish immigration to the US, and the degree to which it was selective.

    Interesting stuff – but one thing caught my eye in Noah’s latest post. The Sephardim are apparently almost as represented among elites as Ashkenazim are by this graph. Shouldn’t this be surprising? My understanding was that they don’t have the outlier IQ that Ashkenazim do.

    Unless Sephardim in the US ARE in fact selected, while Ashkenazim are not (clearly selective migration is a big part of the story for many groups in that graph – India and Iran being classic examples of countries getting brain drained).

  31. Pericles says

    The Sephardim are apparently almost as represented among elites as Ashkenazim are by this graph. Shouldn’t this be surprising? My understanding was that they don’t have the outlier IQ that Ashkenazim do.

    There is also ethnic nepotism.

  32. Boomthorkell says

    A question for anyone interested in IQ and genetics who can answer:

    1. In attempting to explain to a friend that intelligence is hereditary, said friend countered that reading is associated with possibly higher IQ than inherited intelligence, which friend claims has wider variability. Counterpoint: smart people read to their smart kids. Dumb people don’t read to their dumb or possibly mediocre children (Matilda is a fictional character for a reason.) The question is: does anyone know if Intelligence studies have accounted for this? I’m sure they have, I just need to know what it is.
    2. Is it actually true Ghenghis Khan was a Caucasoid?

    3. I must have missed this, why did the US government hate McAfee?

    Unrelated to questions, that’s great news for Czechia. Here’s hoping we can replicate those policies here. I’m intrigued how they support home family life vs child centers in practice. Though, I know Karlin said before the breeders have a more powerful effect than state support. Both surely just be beneficial.

  33. Pericles says

    I did say Wokeism is literally White Supremacy… here is a another anecdote to that effect.

    Woke Victoria’s Secret … that photo looks like some uncanny Netflix super hero group. In the larger scheme of things, there are many underwear chains ‘for women of all sizes and colors’ so I guess VS will now suffer some brand dilution as it sinks back into the undifferentiated morass.

    (Aside: Surely just a coincidence that Wexner, owner of VS and massive patron of a certain Jeffrey Epstein, is distancing himself at warp speed 9 from any unfortunate associations.)

  34. Levtraro says

    I’ve come across many western media articles lately about how Russians …

    You answered your own question.

  35. Shortsword says

    Russian vaccination rate finally increasing

    https://gogov.ru/articles/covid-v-stats

  36. reiner Tor says

    The Sephardim are apparently almost as represented among elites as Ashkenazim are by this graph… My understanding was that they don’t have the outlier IQ that Ashkenazim do.

    That’s a data point in favor of the Kevin MacDonald hypothesis of Jewish IQ and against the Greg Cochran hypothesis. But like you said there are other explanations, so I wouldn’t make much of it.

  37. reiner Tor says

    it’s far too late for us to catch up with Oumuamua

    I think it’d be still possible, but it’d require something on the order of magnitude the US invested in the Moon program, so it’s not going to happen. I think with the present rocket technology it’d be possible to send a probe there. It’s of course impossible if it’s a maneuvering object (which would be the point of going after it…), so it might be a mission impossible anyway.

  38. AltanBakshi says

    Karlin or some people here claimed that Cuba is a good example of white supremacism in socialist multicultural context, but it’s only natural that white hispanics are overrepresented among Cuba’s leadership, because more than 2/3 of Cuba’s population are of European origin, and unlike in Mexico or some other Latin American countries, Cuban whites are genetically mostly of European origin. Also I believe that state of Cuba does not practice “positive discrimination” in such scale as American state, therefore it’s not surprising if elites are mostly Europeans in a European majority state, especially when Europeans are cognitively…

    Therefore Cuba is not good example of white supremacism in a country where whites are a minority, like they will be in the near future USA.

    Finds the same thing even for Kyrgyzstan: Richer and more powerful tribes had greater representation in 1970s Soviet elite.

    Such logic does not take into consideration historical context.
    Before the revolution Kyrgysia was under a Russian colonization and local elites were Russians and other Europeans, therefore it’s only natural that Soviet Korenizatsiya policies led to elevation of native elites, which previously had no political power.

    Btw who said that revolution eats her children or something? Very good saying…

  39. sudden death says

    Unless it was guiding CIA hand tweeting some sadness lately instead of real McAfee, it could just have been mundane prison depression as well, which could lead to such outcome:

    https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1402325105854849036

    https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1403019184074788875

  40. Yellowface Anon says
  41. AltanBakshi says

    Is it actually true Ghenghis Khan was a Caucasoid?

    No! Although there are no surviving depictions of Chingghis Khaan made during his lifetime, we have lots of paintings of his granchildren, whose mothers and grandmother Börte were ethnically Mongols or very close.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/YuanEmperorAlbumKhubilaiPortrait.jpg/800px-YuanEmperorAlbumKhubilaiPortrait.jpg

    Like this drawing of Great Khaan, Emperor and Chakravartin Khubilai, drawn by Nepali artist Araniko.

    Red hair is extremely recessive, so it’s no wonder if some isolated Mongols were gingers in the ancient past.

  42. reiner Tor says

    The main issue is why he would be murdered. He was going to be extradited to the US. What is it that he could do from an American prison but couldn’t do from a Spanish?

  43. AltanBakshi says

    I forgot to add that Araniko was Khubilai’s friend, so he knew very well how Khubilai looked. Also he draw many other drawings of Khubilais deceased relatives, so it’s quite likely that Khubilai and other Mongols instructed him how to properly draw the face of Chingghis.

  44. reiner Tor says

    The elites of 18C Hungary largely preserved their positions under 20C Communist Hungary.

    They didn’t enjoy life 1945-57, but after 1957 their children were accepted to university (some were already too old and working in jobs to do that…), and even before that lawyers willing to collaborate were kept in service, as the regime mostly kept a veneer of legality and some kind of legal continuity with at least the 1945-49 short-lived republic. Obviously doctors couldn’t be replaced overnight either.

    But many were deported to the countryside or interned in camps and died there. It was a traumatic experience for most. The quality of the elite deteriorated, because many of the best minds just left the country, and those who were more willing to collaborate or simply more corrupt had better opportunities and could entrench themselves even in the post-communist period.

  45. Chiang Kai-shek’s son Chiang Ching-kuo

    ” Chiang Kai-shek purged KMT leftists, had Communists arrested or killed, and expelled his Soviet advisers. Chiang Ching-kuo responded from Moscow with an editorial that harshly criticized his father’s actions but was nonetheless detained as a “guest” of the Soviet Union, a practical hostage. Debate still continues as to whether he was forced to write the editorial, but he had seen Trotskyist friends arrested and killed by the Soviet secret police. The Soviet government sent him to work in the Ural Heavy Machinery Plant, a steel factory in the Urals, Yekaterinburg (then Sverdlovsk), where he met Faina Ipat’evna Vakhreva, a native Belarusian. They married on 15 March 1935, and she would later take the Chinese name, Chiang Fang-liang. In December of that year, their son, Hsiao-wen was born.”

  46. Shortsword says

    The US homicide surge from last year is still going strong. Did anything similar happen in any other Western country or is this a United States only phenomenon?

  47. reiner Tor says

    Which leader of the communist party? I have heard of the Kuomintang leader marrying a Russian (actually Belarusian) woman. But not that communist party leader.

  48. Blinky Bill says
  49. songbird says

    He did once say that Jews control Hollywood, and they were trying to make it hate speech to notice. Basically, I think there was a political edge beyond being a libertarian, which is often a word that encompasses too many people.

    They probably didn’t like him posing with guns either, or his support of crypto.

  50. That’s correct.

    US TFR is plummeting, probably this has to do with the two pronged assault of rapid secularization + ubiquitous Wokeism making more and more zoomers and millennials literally gay.

    I don’t recall ever actively identifying as a conservative or a right-winger, so I can’t say I care for ideological labels from rightoids any more than ODS on RationalWiki calling me a white supremacist.

  51. songbird says

    My favorite Holmes quote is this one:

    From a drop of water a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or Niagra without having seen or heard of one or the other.

  52. Yes, that’s a thing.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1409128329211437059

    Numerically, they are far outnumbered by people who don’t want a “strange substance” injected their bodies and the like (be it Russian or Western). But yes, there’s a small subset of extremely soyish self-hating, West-worshipping liberal Russophobes who would only accept Pfizer.

    Sort of like this meme, but for vaccines:

    https://i.imgur.com/odcSbb0.jpg

  53. songbird says

    It’s become clear to me that MLK Day directly spawned Juneteenth. In the South, it helped sideline Robert E. Lee’s birthday, helping Confederates to be villainized. In the North, it eliminated Lincoln’s birthday, during which the Emancipation Proclamation was promoted.

    Each cuck has an echo in time.

  54. * The idea that it’s all immigrants is a rightoid myth: https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2018/11/fertility-of-immigrant-groups-in-denmark-by-generation/

    That’s in Denmark. And the “second generation” is but a fragment of the first generation data. Nothing more than an attempt at reviving magic dirt under a different brand.

    And we shouldn’t be calling things “eugenic” in a system based on progressive credentialism.

    US TFR is plummeting, probably this has to do with the two pronged assault of rapid secularization + ubiquitous Wokeism making more and more zoomers and millennials literally gay.

    You identify the problem (while ignoring rural white conservatives, who are larger than many European countries)

    I don’t recall ever actively identifying as a conservative or a right-winger, so I can’t say I care for ideological labels from rightoids any more than ODS on RationalWiki calling me a white supremacist.

    While refusing to adopt the solution.

    Contra Franz Fanon, the US Right is the real wretched of the Earth. But despite the relentless defamation, both foreign and domestic, we are the only group in the developed world that wishes to survive.

    The liberal is the same in every time and every place. And like much of the US Right’s corrupt leadership, you are only about preserving the rotten liberal system.

  55. Yellowface Anon says

    “strange substance”

    mRNA therapies can be legitimately called “strange” since it still needs 5-10 years of testing to eliminate most issues (which mRNA vaccines don’t have yet). Everything else? Either it’s denying the existence of SARS-COV-2 (there’s a convincing case), doesn’t think you need to have mandatory flu vaccines (floomerism), popular consciousness rapidly realizing the risks of past and present vaccinations, or just plainly hates the way the lockdowns and false reopening is forced down the globe’s mouth.
    You can laugh at some of them but in all their worldviews their own decisions make good sense and back by their best knowledge of COVID. Says a lot about liberal institutional collapse.

  56. Yellowface Anon says

    we are the only group in the developed world that wishes to survive.

    Everyone wants to, that’s their ultimate goal and calculation, if your worldview is still derived from Enlightenment thinkers.

    Levels of misguidance makes all the difference.

  57. Much of that territory is denied its rights of self-determination.

    But while there may not be a single nation of “America”, we are very much real, and so is our exceptionalism.

    In fact, it is the only reason why the foreigners are here.

  58. if your worldview is still derived from Enlightenment thinkers.

    The first time Enlightenment thinkers got into government, they immediately committed a genocide of Catholics in the Vendee.

    These thinkers are the source of liberalism that needs to be purged.

    Everyone wants to, that’s their ultimate goal and calculation

    US white liberals genuinely hate their own people, and believe that social justice is for Europeans to lose all of their countries and ultimately be bred out of existence.

  59. Yes, but soyish “logic” and “evidence” is trumped by the fact that glowniggers couldn’t possibly suffer a man as powerful as this to live.

  60. Yellowface Anon says

    Will agree with you how liberalism and the so-called “Enlightenment” values is “rotten” from the start. The world would have been much poorer but better place without those things, and North America would be “better” for your if the states went the way of Boer Republics pre-British invasion than a relatively centralized state we have now.

    Are these what you want to hear? I’m not “American” and will never be an “American” even if I settle in North America.

  61. Jim Christian says

    Gaspar disagrees, Anatoly! That’s like saying Nyet to Don Corleone’s offer. You know, the one you canta refuse!

  62. Morton's toes says

    Jewish power is only slightly derived from their big brains. The main factor is there are few enough of them that they have to stick together and there also are enough of them that their sticking together provides them with power. It is the Goldilocks porridge just right size.

    If there were much more of them they wouldn’t be able to stick together and if there were fewer of them their sticky-togetherness would be inconsequential.

  63. AnonfromTN says

    Yes, bluestan is not America, but it is 40-45 percent of America. Otherwise the country won’t be doomed

  64. …They didn’t enjoy life 1945-57, but after 1957 their children were accepted to university

    One’s joy shouldn’t depend on whose slogans control the public space, but I see you point. Let me be devil’s advocate since this narrative seldom gets challenged.

    The university education under socialism (communism if you prefer) depended almost wholly on your exams – very rigorous tests. One exception were so-called political studies: law, humanities, history. In all other areas unless your family belonged to a very tiny officially persecuted group it was all based on your ability. This interestingly enough also applied to drama, music or languages – they were probably more open to talent than is currently the case in the West.

    The small group of disfavoured people was usually high members of the previous elite and people openly supporting foreign countries. But even among those, studying medicine or math was ok, e.g. Havel’s brother was a Professor of Mathematics in Prague completely disproving the Western myth that Havel wouldn’t be allowed to study, thus his lack of education. He wanted to be a “movie director”, commies said “f…k you, your uncle worked for the Nazis”.

    What this belly-aching about restrictions overlooks is that up till 1950 members of lower classes were kept from university education – many turned out to be very smart. It also overlooks that cushy, political positions are always and everywhere kept for the ruling class and their supporters. As so often, when criticising commies, people accuse them of mostly every ruling elite does. Critisize them for their inept economics, but this political stuff often looks just silly.

  65. AnonfromTN says

    There are Russians of all stripes. Having worked with in vitro produced mRNA for 40 years, I would never trust Pfizer or Moderna, as I know that everything they say about their “vaccines ” is a lie. But their fairy tales are OK for the ignorant.

    I just got Sputnik V for myself and my daughter based on a simple consideration: whether you believe in COVID or not, this vaccine is the least likely to harm you

  66. Similar situation in Galicia. Many escaped West, those who did not endured a wave of persecution until the early 1950s. But by the 1960s and later the survivors were already on top again. Among my relatives, one was chief engineer at a secret electronics factory, several university professors, another (whose hardcore Russophile parents poisoned themselves in 1939 rather than live under Soviets) became a judge.

    Attempts at social leveling are a futile battle against nature.

  67. Yellowface Anon says

    Read thru what Shamir wrote a few days ago and immediately understood what Karlin meant by “lockdown in Moscow”.

    Also seen Scott Howard’s newest piece written from a stanch Exilic (Huxleyan) perspective. Quite a good read, but I’m already having fatigue from reading those appalling facts.

  68. AnonfromTN says

    FYI, in Russian the word meaning gay man is a pretty common swear word

  69. Yellowface Anon says

    This is probably why I’ll either get Sinovac or stay unvaccinated, depending on how things go in HK.

    Have you done posts detailing how mRNA technologies should really be done and used, and why its current use in COVID vaccines is improper (if not harmful)? We need some genuine expert opinions to critically examine or counter the officially-sanctioned ones.

  70. Wignat is a slur says

    2. Is it actually true Ghenghis Khan was a Caucasoid?

    No, but Timur and Shah Ismail were (both redheads).

  71. Boomthorkell says

    Thanks to both of you. I recall earlier discussions on this website where people were presenting genetic tests of “early Mongols”, but it seemed odd to me about the Genghis claims. I feel if he was white, as in white white, the Mongols would talk more about it in their Secret History. I mean, they aren’t Tocharians.

  72. Boomthorkell says

    Ismail was definitely indo-european. Greek, Persian, etc. Typical child of a middle eastern elite harem.

  73. The Rainbow is an appropriation of God from Genesis.

    It belongs not to Pride.

  74. Passer by says

    @216: Oh wait, it wasn’t ethnic Swedes that boosted the birth rate.

    AK: Answers about Denmark to deflect : )

    Actually non-western migrants have higher fertility rate in Sweden.

    https://gefira.org/en/2018/07/27/sweden-will-remain-sweden-but-in-name/

    It was also a more eugenic TFR than in most any developed country:

    In developed countries nearly 50 % of women get university education compared to 10 – 15 % in developing countries. Which is partly to blame for the appearance of more eugenic TFR in rich countries. Since ever growing university education is used for estimating dysgenics, instead using constant top 10 % – 15 % of people on the Bell Curve, or the people with PhD degrees only.

  75. AltanBakshi says

    Well Marco Polo said that Mongols have a fair complexion. Which again shows how idiotic is to use American colonial concepts like “white people,” outside of former Anglo colonies. Europeans are Europeans, many average Greeks and Bulgarians are swarthier than Northeastern Asians.

    The race of Tamerlan is well known, for Soviets opened his tomb in 1941 and found his skeleton. There’s even facial reconstruction, made by famous Soviet archeologist and forensic scientist Mikhail Gerasimov.

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5625/1118136.33/0_8bbe7_370ccb8a_XL.jpg

    Purely Altaic and Mongolic face.

  76. AltanBakshi says

    Oh Boomthorkell I forgot to mention that Mongols have more Indo-European or “white” admixture, than other Asians like Han and Koreans. There was clearly some mixing with ancient steppe Aryans, though not as much as in the case of Central Asian Türks.

  77. Mightypeon says

    Hot take concerning bus stop gate:

    1: Unusually clever Ukrainians purchased British provocation. Unusually clever because the significance of intruding into Russian waters on 22.06. was apparently lost on the Brits, they could have demanded more money for the provocation.
    To those not in the know, Russia invading US air space on 9/11 would be similar, but somewhat less so.

    2: The leak is more likely British internal. Essentially, there are those within British decision making to whom the issue with 22.06. was clear, and who, while quite stridently Russophobic, are at least somewhat aware of what is actually happening. The leak was done to embarass the people at “appropriate ministries” who drank the coolaid and are true believers.

    3: Its probably better for the continuation of mankind of British/US “decision makers” who fully believe their own bullshit are purged from decision making.

  78. Wignat is a slur says

    I remember Fomenko (I know) had a lot of criticisms of that reconstruction which sounded plausible, although I am struggling to find them again. He did doubt the epicanthic folds though.

    The Roman who visited the camp of Attilla the Hun commented on their yellowish skin.

  79. Jim Christian says

    Anatoly? Didn’t you receive some engineering background in your formal education? I’ve been begging Sailerman to open a thread on the Miami collapse, but he has declined, so far. Have you looked at it from a point of science besides the global warming crap they’re trying to use, I believe, to cover up? That takes an engineering/scientific-capable mind, not my layman’s vacant thought processes. This is a very big deal. For some reason the Israeli IDF was in there with dogs searching the rubble, no doubt also sniffing for explosive residue. But that’s just my cynicism outrunning my meds (ok, scotch). Andrei Martyanov is probably a good go-to but nothing from him, either.

    Any thoughts? On the building that is, heh.

  80. Opening Tamerlane’s tomb caused the invasion of the USSR and loss of 25 million lives.

  81. Muh redstan muh bluestan

    Same shit. Columbus should be made right retroactively. 100% of the world’s problems immediately solved.

  82. Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO) pulls Stalinskaya Vodka from shelves:

    As the brand hit the shelves, the Ukrainian community began sending letters to the LCBO to stop the sales, saying the name stirs up dreaded memories associated with the Soviet Union and Stalin.

    … Ukrainian Canada and the Ukrainian Canadian Congress, groups representing the diaspora, wrote a number of posts on social media over the month of June to bring awareness about the issue.

    “Stalin deported and annihilated whole ethnic communities of Chechens, Ingushes, Tatars; organized a man-made genocide Holodomor killing millions of Ukrainians; built a regime that has been mass-murdering people with contrarian opinions and beliefs,” Ukrainian Canada said in a post.

    Ukrainian community member Nick Krawetz said, like others, he contacted the LCBO immediately after learning the product was sold in its stores.

    “Like millions of Ukrainian families, relatives from my family and my wife’s tragically lost their lives due to Stalin’s tyrannical and murderous policies,” Krawetz told CTV news Toronto on Thursday. “I chose to speak out to honour their eternal memory.”

    The diaspora groups welcomed the LCBO’s decision, saying that the crown corporation responded swiftly to the request

    Link

  83. AltanBakshi says

    Не надо быть проницательным, чтобы в черепе Тимура увидеть типичные монголоидные черты: яркая бракифалня, очевидно, уплощенное лицо, значительная его ширина и высота. Все это как нельзя лучше связывается с письменными документами, свидетельствующими о происхождении Тимура из рода барласов.

    http://www.rusanthropology.ru/index.php/informatsiya/novosti/629-gerasimov-m-m-portret-tamerlana

    .
    .

    The Roman who visited the camp of Attilla the Hun commented on their yellowish skin.

    Not yellowish, but swarthy or bronze like, actually I have mentioned this fact about Attila previously here on unz.com. Anyone who has travelled in Asian countryside, can confirm that East Asian skin is extremely adaptable, when under the sun, like farmers, it can get as dark as North Indian skin, but when not in sun, like monks, it can be as fair as cream. In my opinion if one just considers pragmatically which type of skin is the best, then it’s Northeast Asian, for it’s naturally fair, but tans well under the sun, unlike skin of pure Nordic stock, which just burns or gets pink, but Nordic people have other good qualities. These things are not a zero sum game in a world where everything is under a constant flux. Btw isn’t the skin of Mediterraneans somewhat similar in this matter? Though its rare to see Greeks having as fair skin as modern day young Koreans and Japanese…

    That’s why Khagan Attila who lived his whole life outdoors as warrior, had a swarthy skin, and that’s why sophisticated Khagan Khubilai, who lived among Chinese literati, in beautiful gardens and palaces, had a fair skin.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/58/2b/a7582b96a35841008e1936b97842402c.jpg
    Here do you see? Older Tibetan nomads are extremely swarthy, for they have lived their whole lives under the sun and icy wind, their skin is often like old bronze, leathery and dark, but monks who have spent their lives inside temples and monasteries, have fair complexion.

    https://treasuryoflives.org/uploads/person/13652/Bakula-%20Pethub-1940.jpg

    Here’s a Tibetan high lama

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Vs8E_4pppuc/TUQpCV99ZMI/AAAAAAAAALg/JOjIsmsibOU/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/HH_Bogdo_Gegen_Rinpoche.jpg
    Here an example of Mongol nobleman.

  84. The Rainbow is an appropriation of God from Genesis.

    It belongs not to Pride.

    Too late, the rainbow now belongs to the Alphabet People, there shan’t be a People on this Earth who will not know of this association.

    Afghanistan’s accidental gay pride

    The pioneer Afghan Pajhwok news agency took it upon itself to investigate this unusual sociocultural phenomenon, sending a reporter to interview drivers who had decorated their cars with gay pride stickers and rear banners. After all, these Chinese-made car accessories had suddenly become popular, available in any garage supplying vehicle parts.

    Even more remarkably, Afghan drivers seemed to have little concern about using their cars to openly advertise being gay and proud of it. In a country where social conservatism sometimes results in gay men sharing their life with their partner of choice and an arranged wife so as to keep up appearances, there was certainly something very unusual about this apparently new openness.

    Needless to say, Pajhwok’s reporter soon discovered that Afghans who had decorated their cars with the rainbow symbol had no idea what it stood for. For them it was just the newest car fashion accessory but, on learning of its meaning in the west, drivers immediately started removing it.

  85. But the more time passes without another encounter with an Oumuamua-like object, the stranger it seems.

    I agree. “Just a rock” hypothesis doesn’t fly because rocks don’t accelerate. Invisible gas producing ice is on more solid ground but even that is very suspect because of red color and extreme reflectivity. If red color is tholins and they all managed to recondense due to evaporative cooling somehow, where did they come from in the first place? You need hydrocarbons to make tholins, so that kinda cancels pure ice hypothesis, and invisible gas becomes highly unlikely (we can usually detect large quantities of volatile carbon chemicals). And if tholin coat formed elsewhere and got there later (coated the ice chunk in a collision for example), where are the rest of collision fragments? Why is Oumuamua alone?

  86. anyone with a brain says

    The great bifurcation is already gaining pace Canada and the U.S don’t accept Chinese vaccines and sputnik-V as vaccines. You can enter but you still have bullshit quarantine restrictions. Basically a big keep put sign for non-partisans of the west.

    I have yet to be vaccinated, but I will only accept the Sputnik-V or Chinese vaccines. If it ends up permanently barring me from entering the U.S or Canada, then fuck it.

    like I said before I can’t imagine the vaccine non-recognition continuing.

  87. SIMP simp says

    McAfee was really into experimenting with various drugs and writing about it.

  88. In my opinion if one just considers pragmatically which type of skin is the best, then it’s Northeast Asian, for it’s naturally fair, but tans well under the sun, unlike skin of pure Nordic stock, which just burns or gets pink,

    Are you confusing Celtic with Nordic? Swedes and Germans tend to tan easily. It’s the Irish and Scots who are pale and burn.

    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/16417329/1080full-moa-mattsson.jpg

    https://www.sportfrauen.net/storage/app/uploads/public/5a5/e4c/0e8/thumb_651_2917x1859_241_285_customcrop_1300_10000.jpg

  89. SIMP simp says

    The biggest differences are urban/rural, not between regions.

  90. Coconuts says

    I did say Wokeism is literally White Supremacy… here is a another anecdote to that effect.

    Rather than straightforward White Supremacy that interesting VS image looks like evidence of…

    …Whiteshift:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Whiteshift-Populism-Immigration-Future-Majorities/dp/0141986638/ref=sr_1_1?crid=14DW9X0KDTGEY&dchild=1&keywords=whiteshift+eric+kaufmann&qid=1624916972&sprefix=Whiteshift%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-1

    It’s a question whether white elites that seem to want to implement the Whiteshift so badly can really be White Supremacists, in the current meaning of the term.

  91. Californian Candidate says

    I’m not very knowledgeable on the subject. Would you care to elaborate on that? What part of Pfizer and Moderna is a lie compared to Sputnik V? Their effectiveness rates? Length of protection? Or maybe they are not disclosing long term side effects?

    I know Sputnik is adenovirus based which is considered better than the mRNA based vaccines due better protection of the DNA inside the adenovirus’s tougher protein coat. But aside from mRNA being fragile, I’m not aware of what other issues may exist.

  92. SIMP simp says

    There’s also 2I/Borisov

  93. I certainly don’t intend to visit any country that doesn’t recognize Sputnik and insists on quarantining me on arrival or even doing the <3 day before PCR test. I’d rather patronize countries that aren’t ruled by Russophobe ideologues.

  94. Malenfant says

    Which is, however, a fairly mundane and typical object, under the circumstances. It looks like a fast-moving, rogue Oort cloud object from another star, and exhibits none of the highly unusual features which have come to characterize Oumuamua. This deepens, rather than diminishes, the mystery.

  95. Coconuts says

    Sorry about that Altan, the message 94 I just posted was supposed to be a comment on one of the points in AK’s intro to the thread.

    To add to this:

    Also I believe that state of Cuba does not practice “positive discrimination” in such scale as American state, therefore it’s not surprising if elites are mostly Europeans in a European majority state, especially when Europeans are cognitively…

    I suppose in Cuba the way to resolve racial issues is still understood in terms of classical Marxist thinking as being tied up with both proletarian nationalism and economics (the implementation of a socialist system etc.). Whereas in the US, CRT seems to prioritise making an alliance between middle class and wealthy liberal whites and ethno-nationalist blacks, on the basis of trying to funnel money and resources away from whites who might vote for the Republicans to these blacks and other minority groups.

    I am not in the US but this is what it basically looks like from the outside.

  96. reiner Tor says

    I don’t know about Czechoslovakia (and it wasn’t exactly the same in all communist countries), but in Hungary 1949-57 large sections of society were barred from higher education. After 1957 basically everyone was accepted who got the scores on the entrance exam. Already 1945-48 life was getting progressively worse for these people and they saw the writing on the wall, but not all of them had a chance to leave.

  97. BlackFlag says

    Yes, he also said the Japanese were fair but that was a secondhand account. On the contrary, he doesn’t talk about the Cathays as being fair-skinned and clearly differentiates them from the Mongols on a number of features.

    How come the Europeans, including Marco Polo, referred to the Mongols as “Tatars?” Weren’t the Tatars more Indo-European looking? The Mongols integrated many of them into their armies but you would think Marco Polo would distinguish them, especially since he presumably learned Mongolian.

  98. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    Is it actually true Ghenghis Khan was a Caucasoid?

    My short answer is that it doesn’t matter, if you are beta and soy IRL its irrelevant if your ancestor is some mighty conqueror.

    Long answer is that yes but complicated. Mongoloids have the following y-haplogroups:
    O – Han/Korean/Mongolian/Manchu/SE Asians
    C – Mongols/Manchus/Altaics/small amts in Slavs and other Euros
    D – Tibetic and Ainu (yes quite exotic)
    Q – Siberian/Am Indians
    N – North Eurasian (60% Finns/Northeast Euros, 10% Northern Hans/Mongols/Koreans)

    https://imgur.com/a/ZAzBQaL

    Genghis and the Manchu Emperors were C; Tang dynasty founders (who may have partly looked Uralic) were N; Han dynasty founder was O. (https://famousdna.wiki.fc2.com)

    What’s throwing a wrench in all this is ​blond hair supposed originated in Siberia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian):
    https://imgur.com/a/2IFuQRb

    …and the discovery of Dragon Man, just last week in northern Manchuria. Which may be the closest relative to Sapiens, even more than Neanderthals, discovered in Europe.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Man_(archaic_human)

  99. songbird says

    “HG Wells”, who apparently could pass for a tanned Englishman, was the first crypto-Indian. In 1940, when senile, he made a slip-up, in a footnote, while referencing an obscure phrase from Marx:

    “I took it from the translation of Professor Hirendranath Mukherjee in an Indian students’ journal, which happened to be at my desk.”

    In this light, it is obvious that “War of the Worlds” was a deliberate red herring, intended to distract the English from the real invasion – the Indian one.

  100. My girlfriend was gullible enough to be injected with Pfizer vaccine last week, and the only problem was a painful arm, and she hasn’t turned into a reptilian overlord yet – that’s not to say there are no signs of this in her personality, but none which didn’t pre-exist the vaccination. Short-term safety of all the major vaccines is very high, and has been tested with many millions of people. ​Long-safety of none of the vaccines is known, regardless of which country that produced them (which is not a reliable way to judge long-term safety of medications).

    From the selfish point of view, as I am not in high-risk category for coronavirus, I would of course prefer not to be injected with any of vaccines until a few more years into the future. Although from the same selfish point of view, it is desirable that enough of the low-risk category population will still disregard this calculation, and therefore attain to herd-immunity levels during the pandemic. In those countries where a sufficient proportion of the population will be vaccinated to attain herd-immunity, then the unvaccinated people will be still “free-riders” in terms of the anti-pandemic benefits of a country’s successful vaccine rollout.

  101. …in Hungary 1949-57 large sections of society were barred from higher education.

    What are large sections? Who was barred? 5%? 25%? Numbers matter. Access to education was not universal before that either.

    In Czechoslovakia in the 50’s former aristocrats, industrialists, Nazi collaborators, were restricted from humanities and law. Plus a few really – but really – religious people, maybe 5% of the population. Compared to that, pre 1940’s about 75% of the population was effectively barred from higher education of any kind because it was expensive and you had to start preparing in elementary school. (Please, don’t tell us about charity scholarships, I am really not into lottery systems.)

    After 1955-60, access for everyone was almost 100% based on entrance exams. (Yeah, there was nepotism – if you can find a society without nepotism, let us know.)

  102. Agathoklis says

    1941 is a bizarre time to be opening up Tamerlane’s tomb. Didn’t the Soviets have something better to do?

  103. US faculty was 25% conservative in the 1960s, its not even 5% now.

    And US leftists will spin untold epicycles denying that this is discrimination.

  104. There isn’t evidence, that society’s open or closed attitude to LGBT people, will have an influence on fertility rates. It seems to me, more that politicians that want to appeal to the boomer dislike of LGBT people, have connected these two topics without any empirical evidence.

    • Israel cargo cults to all the European/Western culture of LGBT rights. And secular people there love the latest Western fashions and trends. Gay culture is such a cargo cult in Israel, that it seems to look like this in walking videos of today:

    And with the secular people, there is still replacement fertility rate common for its Middle Eastern geographical region and similar to its Muslim neighbours like Lebanon, Jordan and Iran – as an example of an independence from the surface affiliations or popular symbols in a culture, which can be Islamist in Iran, or LGBT in Israel, with the same end result between the countries.

  105. https://theskinsisterscom.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/b5c0283c-88ba-4862-b1b5-1e2e6eb7ceeb.jpg

    This reminded me that it is now “margarita dermatitis” season. (technical name: phytophotodermatitis). Basically, citrus has touched the skin, and sun exposure + the citrus have interacted to create horrific skin blistering. Face, and hands, are the common sites. This heals with dark spots that will require bleaching cream from the dermatologist. Please be forewarned. No vaccine needed for this one.

  106. He happened to have a sky high IQ. After having a really good idea and becoming a centi millionaire, he sold his shares in the eponymous business and invested in property, and so of course in 2008 lost 95 % of it. McAfee simply refused to file US tax returns between 2016 and 2018. I expect his kynurenic acid level became higher as it does in aging men (explaining their worse outcomes in COVID-19; bats live with coronaviruses by selective suppression of immune response). Immune over activation is behind much psychotic behavior. His father was an alcoholic that committed suicide, and McAfee was informed of Spain’s decision to extradite him the morning of the day he died. What’s to understand?

  107. When you have 15-20% of reproductive age people saying they are non-heterosexual at that point it will almost certainly start having an effect on fertility rates.

  108. Well, archeologists apparently didn’t..

  109. Hibernian says

    As so often, when criticising commies, people accuse them of mostly every ruling elite does.

    Not all ruling elites commit mass murder.

    Cue those who say they all do.

    The United States of 1877-1916 was not the same as the one that dropped the Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and, yes, I am aware of the Indian Wars.

  110. Like meth addicts that you can spot a mile away the “phytophotoists” are now becoming noticeable on street corners too. Local sports bars have been prohibited from serving lime margaritas. What next, key lime pie? 🙂

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/df/f8/2edff8f47d20976d932004a48299d515.jpg

  111. Yellowface Anon says

    Not as awesome as “antivaxx so absolutely no border crossing and increasingly agorist” types.

    (Might not be permanent if WEF influence in policy-making wanes or Atlanticist bloc countries accept WHO-approved vaccines, which include definitely Chinese and maybe Russian ones)

  112. Might end up being the best whataboutism of 2021:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9728423/PETER-HITCHENS-wont-popular-Navys-Black-Sea-antics-stupid.html

    So, say the Russian navy (even more clapped-out and shrunken than ours) managed to find a ship in good enough condition to get to the South Atlantic. Say it then loaded aboard some Moscow journalists. And say the Russians decided they were actively backing Argentinian claims to the ‘Malvinas’.

    Some issue with Peter Hitchens’ comparative reference regarding the Russian and Brit navies:

    https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2021/06/05/look-out-the-left-the-captain-said-the-capture-of-roman-protasevich/comment-page-2/#comment-61146

  113. US leftists have successfully marched through all institutions gradually taking them over, incl. media, Hollywood, and most corporations. A lot was based on credential worship that US rightists inisted on to pretend that US is a “meritocracy”.

    I actually don’t think US leftists are all that leftist, they care very little for actual working people. They are really just liberals. The unspoken truth about America is that it is – and has been – run by different kinds of liberals for a very long time. The identity liberals, the labor-government liberals (gravy train liberals) and the most peculiar brand of liberals: libertarians who control the opposition. So you understand, libertarians are just liberals who are also assho.les. A pretty liberal setup.

  114. Yellowface Anon says

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/06/19/have-the-great-reset-technocrats-really-thought-this-through-evil-between-depopulation-neuralink/

    He’s still stuck on a Manichean or Gnostic view of elitism and doesn’t realize it’s an inherent tendency of post-liberalism (as Dugin sees it).

    Even the depopulation part is cyclical – Martin Armstrong points out there’s a ~300 year cycle in demographic crisis, which went from the Mongol conquests and Black Death, to the wars and strife of the 17th century, to the depopulation project the WEF has at hand. Some form of demographic shake-up might be inevitable and maybe desireable for the long-term survival of humanity, fitting right into the orthodox view that Evil is simply another tool of God’s justice, and the karmic view of decadence. But it needs not to be directed by the elites…

  115. Agathoklis says

    Despite once having been a standard Mediterranean lothario myself, I sympathise with the men in these surveys. Making a pass at a young woman these days comes with great risks.

  116. AltanBakshi says

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Mongol_Empire_c.1207.png

    Original Tatars were very Asian looking and very closely related with Mongols, already long before the time of Chingghis. Even though Karlin’s island is an island of reason, I tend to forget that there are so many strange racialists and other weirdos here. Racialism is not always bad, but we wuz Mongols and Steppe Aryans is just disgusting larping, a signal of rootlessness and lack of authenticity.

    Many Tatars were later garrisoned to lands of Golden Horde, and after few centuries local Türks appropriated the name. There are literally dozens of such cases in history, original Bulgars were not Slavic, actually they were Volga Tatar, ha, ha too funny. Jalairs were originally Mongol tribe, but later rulers of Iraq, Franks were Germanic tribe, now they are French, and so on, and so on….

    “On the contrary, he doesn’t talk about the Cathays as being fair-skinned”

    I don’t bother looking up, but I remember otherwise, that Polo called people of Cathay fair, but I’m not completely sure.

  117. Ruling elites do whatever is required to stay in power. They murder if they think they have to.

    Western history is as much a history of mass murder as are the histories of their rivals. It is tempting to cherry-pick periods and places, and by doing it you can convince yourself of almost anything, but I suspect your know very little about what you say.

  118. AltanBakshi says

    Long answer is that yes

    You are not making any sense. Just belonging to some haplogroup, doesnt make anyone European or Asian.

  119. AltanBakshi says

    To achieve such tanning in Nordic skin, you need to work for many years, all the time in beach, vacations and solarium, or whatever it’s called in English. I think I know, I visit Sweden almost every year, and have quite many Swedish acquaintances.

    Phenotypically Swedes are quite different from Germans…not always but often.

  120. reiner Tor says

    long-term safety

    Long term issues don’t just appear out of the blue. What happens is that the medicine in question causes short term (but not yet serious and thus unnoticed) complications which, over time, progress and become more serious. If you have a sufficient follow-up of a large enough sample, then you can tell the percentage of the barely noticeable issues which could later become more serious.

    That said, if someone had the choice of getting neither the vaccine nor the virus, I would advise to get neither. But on this planet this is not the choice. The choice is to get vaccinated or get infected. Well, the third option is staying home and not having a life forever. Impossible for many reasons, people who are not pensioners have to work, children have to go to school, etc.

  121. Dacian Julien Soros says

    I used to believe adenovirus vaccines are superior to mRNA vaccines because the former were tested. But the truth is, there is only one adenovirus vaccine approved in the world.

    On a closer reading, informed by the scientism of 2020, there are multiple red flags:
    – The vaccine was developed in part in Oxford, where they can’t randomize
    – It was tested in Sierra Leone, where they can’t treat diarrhea
    – It was approved in July 2020, after fear of covid rushed everything.
    – It is still not approved in the US, where Donald Trump made it possible for various drugs to be approved with weakest efficacy-surrogate data. (Read the label for casimersen.)

    I would cut down on optimism.

  122. reiner Tor says

    about 75% of the population was effectively barred from higher education of any kind because it was expensive and you had to start preparing in elementary school

    Luckily most of the poor people didn’t have the talent either. By the way it did happen in the 1980s that someone’s parents pushed him to learn a trade instead of going to a “gimnázium” (similar to British grammar schools preparing for university and good for little else), and based on what my parents told me even more frequently in the 1960s, so the “100%” is just a fantasy either. Social mobility was much higher in the period 1945-56, but that’s just because all times of turmoil make it easier to rise to the top. The study actually shows that then the previous elite rose back to the top. Which proves that they indeed were more talented.

    What are large sections? Who was barred? 5%? 25%? Numbers matter. Access to education was not universal before that either.

    I would say at least half the people who had the talent were barred from university education. It was abolished in the wake of the 1956 revolution, when it turned out that the students from the toiling classes were unreliable as well, and a large portion of them left the country anyway, freeing up university capacity. And in Hungary I’m pretty sure it wasn’t just law and the humanities.

  123. AnonfromTN says

    I know for sure that the way Pfizer and Moderna describe it in their official info things cannot work. The corollary is that what they say about “vaccine ” composition is also not true.

    Thus, I have no data for scientific evaluation. This leaves only “let the buyer beware ” as a guiding principle

  124. Levtraro says

    There are a few potentially serious issues with mRNA vaccines these are still not proved to be really a problem for people. The issues are that segments of viral (and by extension, vaccine) RNA have the chance to become integrated into a host’s DNA via certain biochemical cellular pathways. This is called reverse-transcription and in the case of SARS-CoV-2 it happens because of endogenous LINE-1 retrotransposons (present in the human genome) producing an enzime that converts viral RNA into DNA. See here:

    https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2105968118

    where it is shown to happen in human cells in vitro. Moreover, the integrated alien sequences are not silent, in human cells in vitro they are actively producing back viral RNA from the alien DNA-integrated sequences. This is believed to be the cause of positive PCR test results in humans that have had COVID but that presently have no trace of viral load, but strictly speaking this reverse-transcription has only been shown to happen in vitro, so far.

  125. AnonfromTN says

    There never were successful mRNA-based vaccines for a reason: normal mRNA is extremely unstable, while more stable chemically modified mRNA cannot be translated into protein because ribosomes won’t accept it.

    Another issue is lack of credibility(see comment 128)

    Sputnik is the same adenovirus used for effective Ebola vaccine: they just replaced sequence encoding Ebola protein with that of COVID spike protein. If COVID exists, that should give good immunity. If it doesn’t, that’s harmless

  126. AnonfromTN says

    Short term safety of Pfizer and Moderna is way lower than officially claimed. Quite a few cases of local paralysis, heart complications, and even deaths were reported despite suppression. FDA recently added heart issues to the official list.

    Importantly FDA approved Pfizer and Moderna for emergency use after Congress indemnified both companies

  127. AnonfromTN says

    Sorry to point this out, but FDA approval is more like a negative factor. FDA approved Vioxx not too long ago. It approved Pfizer and Moderna “vaccines ” after Congress indemnified both companies. Sapienti sat

  128. Blinky Bill says
  129. Yellowface Anon says

    The issues are that segments of viral (and by extension, vaccine) RNA have the chance to become integrated into a host’s DNA via certain biochemical cellular pathways.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/science/ancient-viruses-dna-genome.html

    Getting viral DNA in your genome isn’t necessarily a bad thing. But whatever DNA left in your genome is largely evolutionarily adaptive and consequently largely beneficial. The implication here is that the “accidental” integration of viral RNA into the vaccinated’s genome, can be harmless, unexpected, or outright harmful.

  130. The northoids can all tan except it takes a little while for the skin to start doing it’s job. Might be due to the fact their exposure isn’t gradual but they go from cloudy unsunny places where they spend a lot of time inside to hot sunny places suddenly

    Brits tan weirdly. They go red, then a weird almost purplish color, and then suddenly they’re really dark

  131. Yellowface Anon says

    Why would Wales stay in England?

    England would get to keep much of the Royal Navy, and Argentine Naval strength has only atrophied since the Falklands War, having no money to maintain it.

  132. AnonfromTN says

    It’s genetics. We have six alleles (I. E., 12 genes total) encoding skin colour. If you have all 12 dark versions, you are black like piggies. If you have all 12 lite versions, you never tan, as you don’t have enzymes to make melanin. You go red, get blisters, lose outer skin, then go white again

  133. reiner Tor says

    The Russian navy is probably better overall than the Royal Navy, for example the British carriers don’t have enough escort ships, making them useless in and of themselves. Though once we are willing to overlook that deficiency, the British could be granted to possess a better blue water surface fleet than the Russians. Then we’d have to decide what the better green water fleet of the Russians was worth, not to mention their likely superior submarine fleet, both nuclear and diesel-electric.

  134. Blinky Bill says

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Wales_Army

    Has been crushed!

    Fe godwn ni eto.

    Let’s hope they can be resurrected!

    https://youtu.be/E1R48hHU0Ys

    https://i.redd.it/5rd7e4utisl01.png

  135. Levtraro says

    Your comment is slightly relevant in a general kind of way but the specific point is that mRNA vaccines deliver mRNA that produces the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which by itself is detrimental to human physiology, see here:

    https://doi.org/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

    so the potential retrotranscription of this RNA into human DNA can only have harmful consequences, if it happens in humans.

    mRNA vaccines produce too little spike protein and/or they produce it too locally (in muscle tissue in the arm, and it stays there, hopefully …) to harm people but the potentiality of retrotranscription is a fairly serious risk, I think.

  136. Blinky Bill says
  137. Dacian Julien Soros says

    Please read up on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Reuben . Vioxx was one of a few failures. FDA’s performance is stellar, compared with any other national authority.

  138. Original Tatars were very Asian looking and very closely related with Mongols, already long before the time of Chingghis.

    Some of them still have that look.

  139. AnonfromTN says

    If you mean other American national authorities, FDA isn’t that bad. If you mean its equivalents in other countries, FDA performance is far from stellar

  140. songbird says

    Don’t know the merits of the competing claims, but I think South Georgia should belong to whoever can effectively claim Shackleton, just on the basis of his deeds. BTW, where is the home of his early childhood?

  141. Blinky Bill says
  142. songbird says

    Likely a suicide, as he didn’t know anything, and it’s a more powerful signal to put an old guy in modern anarcho-tyranny prison than fake a suicide.

    Epstein, though, is certainly open to interpretation.

  143. Pericles says

    University is actually a great place to make friends and contacts, or at least it used to be. But perhaps that’s declined as women have taken over.

    (The 11% volcels could instead be looking forward to a conventional arranged marriage after attaining their credential. After all, getting sexually roughed up in some apartment of questionable hygiene by a fat tattooed person of indeterminate sexual persuasion might not be all that attractive by comparison.)

  144. Mr. Hack says

    This fellow had “that look”,and considered himself to be a Ukrainian. The “Svidomite” brand for sure:

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/photos/ukraine/600a9e264705d1.43106415-180.jpg

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/photos/ukraine/600a9e266e5cf7.37409703-180.jpg

    Tatar, Belorusian, Polish? Ahatanhel Krymsky considered himself a Ukrainian as quoted on this new commemorative coin. He chose this appellation “consciously” making him technically a “Svidomite Ukrainian”. 🙂

  145. the previous elite rose back to the top. Which proves that they indeed were more talented.

    The people at the top are more talented and being at the top proves it.

    Seriously, there is are differences between being “talented” and have the talents to claw your way to the top.

  146. Blinky Bill says
  147. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    Sorry that’s a typo. I meant

    Long answer is no, Genghis is not Caucasoid.

    I hope my other statements were elucidating. The original Coon classification of 4 races, Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Australoid/Negroid, were entirely phenotypically based.

    Genetic analysis has largely confirmed this, with notable exceptions:

    • Ainus are not Caucasoid as originally postulated, but rather a distinct type closer related to other E. Asians
    • Finns despite phenotype have considerable E. Asian genetics

    What’s more complex is how these races formed, for example, y-haplogroup O (E.Asian) and N (North Eurasian) both branched off the original NO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_NO

  148. I burn easily and quickly. Back when I was stupid stupider I could very gradually tan to a shade darker than many American blacks.

  149. Mr. Hack says

    ” in the center of the star are the following words of Krymsky: Я ЗРОЗУМІВ,/ ЩО МУШУ БУТИ/ УКРАЇНОФІЛОМ –/ ЦЕ Я ЗРОЗУМІВ/ ЦІЛКОМ СВІДОМО (I have realized that I must be a Ukrainophile – this was a perfectly conscious decision)”

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces268062.html

  150. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    I know the source of the confusion because Tatar is used in so many contexts…

    1. Tartare sauce – totally irrelevant
    2. Refers to Mongols of the Golden Horde as you said, etymology Greek Tartarus (from hell)
    3. Refers to specific groups like Crimean Tatar as you say

    Lastly, before the time of Russian conquest, Europeans used the term Grande Tartarie for the vast region in North/Inner Asia, between Eastern Europe, Persia and China

    https://imgur.com/a/ng4EURw

    Later on, Brits still used Tatars to refer to Qing Manchu rulers.

  151. AltanBakshi says

    I forgot to answer why Mongols were often called Tatars in western sources, well Tatars were among the first to join to Chingghis Khaans empire, they made a huge part of military elite, it’s little bit same why many Middle Easterners called and still call Greeks Ionians, and not Hellenes.

    To my surprise wikipedia says that the word Tatar in western sources is a loan from Persian, and originally meant mounted messenger, so that’s another possible explanation why Mongols were called Tatars.

  152. Yeah but it’s mostly a meme, wait a little and you’ll see that the numbers drop as one gets older, very few go with the alphabet mafia cringe all the way.

    On the other hand, it’s better if most of those roaches doesn’t reproduce. They’ll infest their children with their bullshit. The pozz is de facto hereditary at this point.

  153. AltanBakshi says

    Later on, Brits still used Tatars to refer to Qing Manchu rulers.

    Tatar was a blanket term for all Altaics in 19th century.

    Tartare sauce – totally irrelevant

    But steak tartare is not!

  154. There is interesting case in Canada with professor Byram Bridle (associate professor of viral immunology, University of Guelph) . His life changed drastically for exposing Pfizer and Moderna

    There is lot of information similar to what you said

  155. Shortsword says

    He sees signs that China has made a strategic decision to replace the corn imported from the US with Russian wheat.

    Replace corn with wheat? How would they do this? Put tariffs on American corn?

  156. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    Northeast Asian, for it’s naturally fair, but tans well under the sun


    https://imgur.com/a/2bi26hG
    https://imgur.com/a/UjZGalz

  157. AnonfromTN says

    This means you have enough dark genes. As to burning, even the darkest person burns under intense sun

  158. AnonfromTN says

    So there is good reason for me to keep my name hidden. Then again, I am sure Big Brother knows who I am and does not bother to punish me. Just ignores me, like Soviet KGB did 30-40 years ago

  159. This means you have enough dark genes.

    I wonder if it will be enough to get some of muh reparations.

  160. Hey Toly, what if you really don’t understand Russia’s role in world politics? Just supposing…

  161. Yellowface Anon says

    Quite an accurate analysis tho the NatSec law (or COVID restrictions) has largely put an end to those active resistance.

    We’ve succeeded spectacularly in an Armenia-type semi-victory – Partial annihilation and majoritarian exile in exchange of self-consolidation (or so the yellow-ribbon emigrant thinks). But the world isn’t the one right after WWI.

  162. Yellowface Anon says

    I’ll actually add one important point of comparison: once the BLM riots got kickstarted I immediately noticed uncanny similarities in the theatrics (after all our protesters copy American tactics wholesale), and I knew the same frustrated impulse behind HK’s civil unrest was also behind BLM. It’s down to the ideological commitment, tribalism and narrow-mindedness, only that White males are replaced with everything mainland Chinese! That was the point I definitely snapped out of being one of the Movement’s sympathizers.

    The Movement was actually a broad coalition (if you can call ragtag protesters one), from near-establishment pan-democrats to the most radical separatists, with lots of moderates and opportunists in between, and of course a good number of agent provocateurs. I was following the City-Statist teacher, Dr. Chin, who imagines himself as a Dugin but totally worshipping the old British institutions (and bases his plan for HK’s revival on it – hence “City-Statism”). TradCons can see how stupid this is especially when he also advocates for traditionalism.

  163. Blinky Bill says
  164. AnonfromTN says

    Well, when tanned I am darker than many American blacks.

    Still, I worked all my life, never was in jail, never did drugs, and never had counterfeit bills to pass.

    If you are as horribly white-behaving, your chances of getting muh reparations are zip.

  165. Blinky Bill says

    https://img.discogs.com/xgk6_THXQxZv_gCQC3E3UOn63Pk=/fit-in/600×602/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1165761-1409918142-2247.jpeg.jpg

  166. Vishnugupta says

    RN unlike the Russian Navy is not designed to fight serious wars as a stand alone Navy but as a somewhat autonomous extension of the US Navy.

    Therefore if you look at a US Carrier fleet (the gold standard) as a benchmark for how a large carrier should be deployed you will find gaps in terms of lack of adequate number of Nuclear Submarine escorts and competent Air defence destroyers as the Type 45 has serious serviceability issues due to its unique and largely unsuccessful and failure prone WR21 marine turbines.

    But none of this matters as long as it is fighting under the NATO flag alongside the USN.

    Also because of NATO a much larger fraction of the RN can be deployed as an expeditionary force whereas a large portion of the Russian Navy is required to be deployed near home to defend its vast coastlines.

  167. Yellowface Anon says

    Some more info on Horace Chin: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1257295/independent-thinker-horace-chin-treads-bold-path
    https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2091282/horace-chin-father-localism-draws-red-line-against-secession (extremely prescient)
    https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hk/%E9%99%B3%E4%BA%91%E6%A0%B9 (ok-ish wiki bio)

    His ideology is basically “Hong Kong City-Statism” (or just restoring and refining the autonomous liberal institutions that is apparently constrained by local and state influences) feeding into a “Huaxia Confederation” (some kind of loose cooperative association like the Commonwealth, but slightly more centralized), and after mostly Chinese cultural revitalization (including his own seasonal ceremonies). He’s more of a reformist than a revolutionary, and quite far from radical.

    He was mostly a discourse setting during the 2nd half of 2019 and the few marches signalling his desire for American intervention (personally endorsing “President Trump, please liberate Hong Kong” signs). Once the whole movement took a nihilist turn he was the first to be critical of some of the influences from both the 2nd and 3rd generation of dissident politics (from the article you linked of course) – and eventually condemning the PolyU siege’s strategy and declaring the cause to be lost.

    He’s back to cultural and religious work (doing lots of Tantric and Taoist practice) while being anti-COVID-restriction and antivaxx. But most importantly (and maybe under the NatSec law’s influence) his thoughts are back to institutional reform without really undermining the fundamentals of Hong Kong’s state structure, the way he has always wanted. He isn’t testing the limits of the NatSec law, and me neither.

    My entire political horizon was set by his daily writings on Facebook (which I’ve stopped reading after learning libertarianism)

  168. Yellowface Anon says

    China is on the dirigist model once pursued by France, but with more state control over the Commanding Heights of the Economy and some coercion over the rest.

  169. AltanBakshi says

    Karlin’s white supremacism explanation does not hold water, and is easily eliminated by Occam’s razor. Western elites do not feel any solidarity or sympathy towards working class whites, and sometimes they are even openly hostile to them, if that’s white supremacism, then Nazis were secret philosemites who just wanted to ensure the creation of Israel and generations of goodwill for Jews.

    I have myself theorised that western elites are trying to create liberal and unitary, but at the same time fragmentary, common identity for whole humanity. Unitary by it’s fanatical anti-racism and equality drive. Fragmentary by dividing people into atomised competing interest groups, in such way whole world could be united under the western elites, but still society would be divided enough so that the plebs could never overcome their differences and do neo-bolshevik revolution and overthrow the elites. There’s a fine balancing act going.

    Maybe CIA and other such orgs researched this stuff in 1950-1980, how to direct and channel revolutionary forces in society for the benefit of the rulers? Didn’t FBI and friends plant agents into every kind of political organisation imaginable in those years? How sad that I will probably never see those reports.

  170. Western elites do not feel any solidarity or sympathy towards working class whites, and sometimes they are even openly hostile to them

    ,

    You did not read what Karlin wrote, nor, apparently, the many comments in response.

  171. No, I har Cap’n Joe is way ahead of you guys, he has written cack-measuring into his rules for reparations distribution.

  172. Can I at least pawn my white privilege for a little ready cash?

  173. Blinky Bill says
  174. To summarize your point:

    Yes, pre-communism 75% of people were barred from higher education. But it is ok, they were stupid. As you say, most had no talent. Let’s only focus on the upper-class twits who really wanted to be art historians and the damn commies kept them from living their dreams. After 1956 they ended up driving taxis in NY and endlessly told gullible Americans about this horrible injustice.

    Am I getting it right? Should we try some nuance? Czechoslovakia was different, fewer members of the defined enemy groups – most people were some sort of socialist by 1945. We also had a large skilled working class with enough talent for higher education.

    The Academy on 2009 did a long-term study of high achievers from engineering to music, from medicine to science, and about 87% of the high achievers were fully or partially from groups that were before communism barred from higher education. The overall numbers were shockingly one-sided. Maybe we got rid of the previous elites more successfully, it was partially an ethnic issue.

    I have literally never heard of a single person barred from studying medicine, science or engineering. Law or humanities were a different story as is the case everywhere. There is an easy test, when BoJo hires Julian Assange as his spokesman,the West will have something. Until then, it is empty uninformed talk.

  175. songbird says

    South Africa should consider phonetic spelling, of which Andrew Carnegie was a big advocate.

    I’ve been thinking that there are implications to the rate of illiteracy beyond IQ. Reading causes physical changes in the brain. Parts of it are repurposed and become worse at their old functions, like recognizing faces. The implication here is that blacks are more resistant to following societal norms because many lack this rewiring.

    In a way, they may be akin to peasants before the printing press. But with a Church of anti racism which strokes their egos, fears, and hatreds, rather than teaches them humility.

  176. …western elites are trying to create liberal and unitary, but at the same time fragmentary, common identity for whole humanity. Unitary by it’s fanatical anti-racism and equality drive. Fragmentary by dividing people into atomised competing interest groups

    I agree, that’s is happening, but I would drop trying to create part. They don’t know what they are doing.

    It is a simple result of the institutional stranglehold that the West suffers from. It is the “Pakis in the BBC hallway dynamic” – well-socialised, career-oriented people will go out of their way to be inoffensive even when a single Third World migrant or a gender deviant is around. Feminised societies suppress conflict as top priority and with women in charge everywhere it is safer to bend over backwards and not stand out.

    It is working through all Western institutions, it has now hit police and military. The other side sees no resistance, so they go ape-shit. The oligarchs see that it distracts people from economic issues, so they support it. This will not end well, manias never do.

  177. AltanBakshi says

    Yes, I should have written instead that Karlin uses wrong name for the phenomenon.

    He’s explanation was quite more complicated. White is a race in American discussion, and if one elite group of whites uses wokeism as a political weapon against other groups, both minorities and other whites, then how it’s white supremacism? It’s just white liberal elitism then! Which also is not completely true in my opinion.

  178. AltanBakshi says

    Argh, I should not have started my sentence with “yes,” for god’s sake! I like to type fast, maybe it’s a problem… I did read Karlin’s White Antifragility. I am just sometimes careless. Sorry for that.

  179. Bashibuzuk says

    Some Hamas and Hizballah propaganda from Nature Communications:

    Like Judaism, mitochondrial DNA is passed along the maternal line. Its variation in the Ashkenazim is highly distinctive, with four major and numerous minor founders. However, due to their rarity in the general population, these founders have been difficult to trace to a source. Here we show that all four major founders, ~40% of Ashkenazi mtDNA variation, have ancestry in prehistoric Europe, rather than the Near East or Caucasus. Furthermore, most of the remaining minor founders share a similar deep European ancestry. Thus the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Levant, as commonly supposed, nor recruited in the Caucasus, as sometimes suggested, but assimilated within Europe. These results point to a significant role for the conversion of women in the formation of Ashkenazi communities, and provide the foundation for a detailed reconstruction of Ashkenazi genealogical history.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543/figures/10

    Oy vey!

    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543

  180. AltanBakshi says

    well-socialised, career-oriented people will go out of their way to be inoffensive even when a single Third World migrant or a gender deviant is around. Feminised societies suppress conflict as top priority and with women in charge everywhere it is safer to bend over backwards and not stand out.

    You are now speaking of petit bourgeois folks, this is just bonus for oligarchs, such conformist people make good servants.

    I agree, that’s is happening, but I would drop trying to create part. They don’t know what they are doing.

    Its clear that at least some US governmental agencies, companies and oligarchs were trying to increase societal grievances during the Trump presidency. What else that is than planned weaponisation of radical movements and ideologies? Also if one has followed few generations western media, it is quite clear that there are some kind of propaganda directives. There must be some kind of central planning for execution of such policies.

  181. AltanBakshi says

    Also my Nazi comparison was a bit too extreme, for I don’t believe in “white genocide.” Or what genocide actually means these days? Even expelling immigrants and their descendants is genocide according to some, like in the case of Rohingyas. When I think of genocide, I think ww2 Nazi style in Belarus, Poland. Ethnic restaurants and Middle Eastern drug dealers is something else, late stage liberal universalism?

    In my opinion it’s just too far fetched to call white liberal elitism by the name of white supremacism.

  182. songbird says

    Personally, I think the Ashkenazim were phenotypically shifted by living in Northern Europe, and that they are less European than phenotype would sometimes suggest.

    But I wonder if anyone has considered the possibility that they bought Euro women as slaves. That the Pope banned Jews from owning Christian slaves does not in anyway disprove the possibility. Arabs certainly did it. American blacks got their white admixture largely through slavery.

    And, anyway, women were frequently sold, even after the end of slavery. It is not PC, but it seems more likely than women “converting”, in a highly religious and patriarchal society.

  183. Thorfinnsson says

    Revilo P. Oliver wrote many years ago that Sephardim in America originated with elite urban mercantile populations from Amsterdam and London who arrived in colonial times, largely in connection with commerce.

    I have no idea if this is correct, but if it is then it would suggest that Sephardim were selected. Ashkenazim, other than a small number of elite Jews from Germany (e.g. Warburg, Kuhn, Loeb, etc.), quite obviously were not.

    It’s worth pointing out that the Confederate statesman Judah P. Benjamin was a Sephardic Jew. The first Jew of any prominence in America, Mordecai Noah, was also Sephardic.

    Oliver’s article which brought my attention this can be read here: http://www.revilo-oliver.com/news/1985/05/another-jewish-problem/

  184. This is an example of the historically typical pattern, until at least the late 19th century. Men were much more mobile than women, and travelling men have almost always married local women across history.

    However, strangely, in postindustrialized nationalities of the 21st century, we begin to see an inversion – that young women can seem to be more mobile than young men.

    In Russia, any of the wealthy glamorous cities of the country, are flooded with young internal immigrants, with a higher ratio of women. And higher ratios of young women than young men, are emigrating from the poor areas of the country.

    Within the EU, the same phenomenon – in the beginning, from Poland, for example, there were apparently two thirds young male to one third female emigrants, but in the last decade the majority are young women, and with higher average educational status than male emigrants.

  185. Stop it, the poor little butthurt belters have to do their nofap

  186. Your sexual attraction to women or men is not determined by fashion trends, as I’m sure you noticed from your own life. These are quite inbuilt desires. The rate of the non-heterosexual desiring people will be constant; what changes is the attitude of the rest of the society to the people with minority desires.

    In Western Europe, there is a current fashion to use the sexual minorities for virtue signalling about the society’s tolerance, as the previous fashion had been to use ethnic minorities for this purpose – however, they may become more visible, the proportion of the people with non-heterosexual sexuality will be the same as always. Even in Islamist societies like Iran, it is a situation where they punish the visibility of sexual minorities, and it won’t likely effect their actual number.

    In the 20th century culture, it was common for homosexual men to marry women, and having children in order to reduce visibility of their minority status: e.g. Sviatoslav Richter, Vladimir Horowitz, John Maynard Keynes.

    But the behaviour of a small minority of homosexual men to reduce their visibility, will not effect fertility rates. And according to stable population theory, the population replacement is determined by women’s fertility.

  187. Epidemics rise and fall exponentially. If the herd immunity to a virus is achieved within society, then your chance to be infected will rapidly become extremely low, regardless of your personal vaccination status.

    In countries where there is an effective vaccination rollout, with a sufficiently high proportion of the population being vaccinated, then the unvaccinated people will be “free rider” beneficiaries, and they will have an almost equally low risk of infection as the vaccinated people. It would be a waste of resources to vaccinate everyone, when a sufficient level of immunity is attained.

    Although it’s possible that herd immunity will not be attained in some countries. It’s possible that problems like anti-vaxx sentiment, might later on prevent a high enough vaccination rate, to stop a reservoir for the virus continuing to exist.

    I think about in Russia a situation where in the last decade, HIV became endemic at a low level (around 1% of the population). This was because of the lack of intervention to reduce infection rate among needle-sharing drug addicts (e.g. lack of providing adequate new needle supply and authorities’ inability following of anti-epidemic recommendations). Hopefully coronavirus will not become such an endemic illness, that resides in areas with insufficiently high vaccination rates, that will become a “reservoir” for future re-infections.

  188. reiner Tor says

    Well at first they didn’t occupy positions of power, that came later. At first they were just acing entrance exams and similar. Getting jobs like scientists, engineers, doctors, academics, then of course lawyers and managers. Finally they found their way even to the Central Committee.

  189. Mitleser says

    Yeah but it’s mostly a meme, wait a little and you’ll see that the numbers drop as one gets older, very few go with the alphabet mafia cringe all the way.

    It does not make much of a difference whether they remain LGBT+ or not if they still end up wasting their limited reproductive years.

    A woman’s best reproductive years are in her 20s. Fertility gradually declines in the 30s, particularly after age 35.

  190. Either way, the short-term safety of the vaccines is extremely high, especially when compared to many of the activities we do in daily life (like drinking alcohol, let alone smoking cigarettes – although at least those compensate us with enjoyment). Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated and only a small minorities had any problems.

    We know these very unlikely to cause you a problem in the short-term.

    However, about the long-term effects, there isn’t information yet, so if you are not in high risk category it is sensible to delay or avoid being vaccinated.

    By the way, I know a postdoctoral scientist that works in the pharmaceutical industry, that is avoiding the vaccines on themselves. I’m not saying they are a representative sample – I had to laugh when I recognize such fellow overanxious and overprecautionary souls.

  191. reiner Tor says

    That’s roughly what I wanted to say, but you described it better and put it in context. (NATO membership of the UK.)

    So the Royal Navy is not as capable in itself, but it would be unlikely to fight alone. (Except to protect the Falkland Islands it had to do so, but in general it’s unlikely.) The Russian navy doesn’t have modern carriers and even its destroyers might be obsolete, but it’s capable of protecting the vast coastline alone, without allies.

  192. RadicalCenter says

    Interesting. Though I’d expect El Norte to extend hundreds of miles farther north than that, into central California, southern Nevada, the rest of Arizona and New Mexico, and Colorado most of the way up to Colorado Springs or so.

  193. Bashibuzuk says

    Borjigin.

    According to Rashid-al-Din Hamadani, many of the older Mongolian clans were founded by members of the Borjigin — Barlas, Urud, Manghud, Taichiut, Chonos, Kiyat, etc. The first Khan of the Mongol was Bodonchar Munkhag’s great-great-grandson Khaidu Khan. Khaidu’s grandsons Khabul Khan and Ambaghai Khan (founder of the Taichiut clan) succeeded him. Thereafter, Khabul’s sons, Hotula Khan and Yesugei, and Khabul’s grandson Temujin (Genghis Khan, son of Yesugei) ruled the Khamag Mongol. By the unification of the Mongols in 1206, virtually all of Temujin’s uncles and first cousins had died, and from then on only the descendants of Yesugei Baghatur, his brother Daritai, and nephew Onggur formed the Borjigid.

    According to Paul Pelliot and Louis Hambis, Rashid al-Din Hamadani once explained that “borčïqïn” designated in the Turkic languages a man with dark-blue eyes (اشهل‎, ašhal), and did so again without mentioning the said language, adding that Yesugei’s children and the majority of their own children had had such eyes per coincidence, also recalling that the genie which had impregnated Alan Gua after her husband’s death had had dark-blue eyes (“ašhal čašm”).[7] Abu al-Ghazi Bahadur later paraphrased Hamadani by relating that Yesugei’s eyes were dark-blue (“شهلا šahlā”), that the Mongols (“Moɣol”) called such eyes “borǰïɣïn” (بورجغن[14]), that his sons and most of their descendants had dark-blue eyes (“ašhal”), and that one recognized thus in Yesugei’s lineage the characteristic sign of the genie which had visited Alan Gua and had “borǰïɣïn” eyes.

    Also:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenisei_Kyrgyz_Khaganate

    During the reign period of Kaiyuan of [emperor] Xuanzong, Ge Jiayun, composed A Record of the Western Regions, in which he said “the people of the Jiankun state all have red hair and green eyes. The ones with dark eyes were descendants of [the Chinese general] Li Ling [who was captured by the Xiongnu]… of Tiele tribe and called themselves Hegu. The change to Xiajiasi is probably because barbarian sounds are sometimes quick and sometimes slow so that the transcriptions of the words are not the same. When it is sometimes pronounced Xiajiasi, it is just that the word is quick. when I enquired from the translation clerk, he said that Xiajiasi had the meaning of ‘yellow head and red face’ and that this was what the Uighurs called them. Now the envoys say that they themselves have this name. I don’t know which is right.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenisei_Kyrgyz

    The Tashtyk culture was first surveyed by the Russian archaeologist Sergei Teploukhov.[3] Teploukhov suggested that it had been initially Indo-European dominated, only to become overcome by the Yenisei Kirghiz around the 3rd century AD.[3] The Yenisei Kirghiz are often associated with the Tashtyk culture.[4]

    Tashtyk settlements and hill-forts have been unearthed throughout the Yenisei region, particularly the Sayan canyon area. Their most imposing monuments were immense barrows-crypt structures; these have yielded large quantities of clay and metal vessels and ornaments. In addition, numerous petrographic carvings have been found. Some of the graves contained leather models of human bodies with their heads wrapped in tissue and brightly painted. Inside the models there were small leather bags probably symbolising the stomach and containing burned human bones. Scaled-down replicas of swords, arrows and quivers were placed nearby. The animal motifs of the Tashtyk belonged to the Scytho-Altaic style

    […]

    During his excavations of the Oglahty cemetery south of Minusinsk, Leonid Kyzlasov discovered a number of mummies with richly decorated plaster funerary masks showing Western Eurasian features, though this would not rule out some East Asian admixture, as revealed by ancient DNA (see below). There were also intact fur hats, silk clothes, and footwear (now in the Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashtyk_culture

    The relatively favorable climatic conditions of the Minusinsk Basin and the protection provided by the surrounding mountains have attracted human populations to this region since Paleolithic times. During the last several thousand years, in particular, the Minusinsk Basin has been continuously inhabited by a succession of populations whose cultures provide the single most spectacular archaeological continuum in all of North Asia. Starting with the late Neolithic (and still controversial) Tazmin culture (approximately 2000 to 2500 B.C. ) through the subsequent Afanas’evo, Okunevo, Andronovo, and Karasuk cultures, the Minusinsk Basin seems to have been inhabited by semisedentary agriculturalists and cattle breeders with an increasingly strong steppe-nomadic orientation. This development culminated in the late Bronze-Age Tagar culture (700 to 200 B.C. ), connected with the Scythian epoch of Central Eurasian history. According to paleoanthropological data, the Tagar people and most of their local predecessors seem to have had a predominantly Europoid complex of physical features. There then followed the Tashtyk culture (200 B.C. to A.D. 200), which corresponds to the Hunnic period in Central Eurasia and represents a major intrusion of a new Mongoloid population into the Minusinsk Basin.

    https://www.everyculture.com/Russia-Eurasia-China/Khakas-History-and-Cultural-Relations.html

    Also the White Huns were called White for a reason…

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Sixteen_Sword_Bearers_of_Kizil_Caves_%28detail%29.jpg/204px-Sixteen_Sword_Bearers_of_Kizil_Caves_%28detail%29.jpg

  194. Vishnugupta says

    Thanks.Even the Falkland victory was due to US supplying it with AIM 9L missiles which for the first time allowed planes to fire IR guided missiles straight at the enemy as opposed to maneuvering behind and firing at the engine exhaust.

    All 19 AA kills were accounted to this missile without these the war would not be so one sided.

    Then there was help via signals and satellite intelligence on Argentine positions and pressuring France to reveal the radar frequency(export variants apparently didn’t have selectable frequency or frequency hopping) of the exocet missiles so they could be jammed easily

  195. To achieve such tanning in Nordic skin, you need to work for many years, all the time in beach, vacations and solarium, or whatever it’s called in English. I think I know, I visit Sweden almost every year, and have quite many Swedish acquaintances.

    No, Swedes just tan naturally like that. Our Swedish poster Thorfinnson was writing about it once IIRC. Yes, if you stick a Swede who had been pale during the winter under a Thai sun on a December holiday he will burn. But a Swede in Sweden will be naturally tan in the summer if he spends time outside.

    This phenomenon is well-known:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2003/jul/03/thisweekssciencequestions4

    Why do fair-skinned Brits burn while Swedes (for example) tan?

    “Your Celtic phenotypes – Brits with pale skin, freckles, red hair – will burn and never tan,” says Mark Birch-Machin, reader in molecular dermatology at the University of Newcastle and a researcher for Cancer Research UK.

  196. Bashibuzuk says

    “Your Celtic phenotypes – Brits with pale skin, freckles, red hair – will burn and never tan,” says Mark Birch-Machin, reader in molecular dermatology at the University of Newcastle and a researcher for Cancer Research UK.

    I have mentioned it once before, but I believe that this phenotype had probably evolved under low sunlight/heavy cloud conditions of the Mesolithic Doggerland:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland

    This is probably where the European leucoderm phenotype came from to be later incorporated into the Corded Ware Culture and Bell Beaker Culture which were both derived from South Siberian mesolithic populations descended from the Y haplogroup R and in their earliest form probably looked like Amerinds.

    As Yamnaya-derived and (proto)Corded Ware populations migrated into Europe, they probably intermixed with the local Doggerland derived populations and ended up looking like the Central European populations look today. Same thing possibly happened in Fenno-Scandia too. Those populations that had the least admixture kept the most recessive phenotype, that would be Insular Celts.

  197. reiner Tor says

    You are an idiot if you believe that 75% of people were “barred” from education. Poor people usually pressured their children to start working early, but this phenomenon persisted well into communism. On the other hand, there was a serious effort to get the smartest children educated, priests and local teachers tried everything in their power to send the children to better schools and let their talents grow.

    An interesting story is Károly Simonyi. He was a relative of the prime minister who signed the Treaty of Trianon (he was a lawyer, but also a representative of the Smallholders’ Party, and became prime minister because no one else was willing to sign the treaty), but his parents were middling peasants, and it took some effort from the local priest (he searched for a better off relative who could help him study and found the former prime minister) to help him. He graduated as an engineer and a lawyer at the same time. After the war he could work as a physicist, but then because of his (very modest) participation in the 1956 revolution, he was sidelined. Finally this made it possible for him to write an award winning book in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He isn’t really a descendant of the pre-war elite, but perhaps he’s related to the pre-war middle class. His son is Charles Simonyi, who left the country in the 1960s.

  198. reiner Tor says

    herd immunity

    With R0 of 3.0 (Covid alpha variant) two thirds of the population needs to be vaccinated. The delta variant may have a significantly higher R0, like 5.0, in which case you need 80% vaccination rate. This includes children. The number gets higher still if you consider that some of the vaccinated people can still get ill (and thus infect others).

    I don’t think that high vaccination rates will be achieved. But I wish you good luck in your gas masks.

  199. songbird says

    Germanics (perhaps Northern Slavs too?) who start out pale, tend to tan quite easily, from my perspective. They can often become quite brown and quite resistant to the sun. In my experience, you have to explain to them why you are sitting in the shade, and they still have trouble grasping it.

    I, who am ethnic Irish, without sunblock, need TOTAL shade, not spotty shade, even in Northern Germany. I cannot develop resistance to the sun. My skin is so pale that it is almost literally be blinding when at the beach.

    The sun worship typical in the West has always been a great mystery to me. In particular, I think paler women are more beautiful, and think tanning makes women less beautiful. There is a line from an Irish song: her neck, it was just like a swan’s.

    At times, I’ve suspected sun-worship might be an incipient form of black worship. I find it curious how it does not seem to exist outside the West. But perhaps, it just seems alien and wrong to me because it is Germanic.

    Yet, it doesn’t seem to be a historical thing.

  200. reiner Tor says

    Redhead here. I have always burned very quickly. Like an hour in May late afternoon (around 6 pm) led to a horrible sunburn with peeling.

    In recent years I started a program of making myself more resilient to cold. So I went to a cold lake in February to swim a couple minutes etc. This gave me the idea of sunbathing in the winter. Then gradually in the summer. I always do that around noon, but originally limited to ten, later twenty minutes. Now I can spend under the sun an hour shirtless and at least a couple hours in a T-shirt. But I have to admit that I don’t tan nearly as much as that tanning blond type you described. Still I wonder what would be possible if I didn’t have to spend my life in an office in front of a computer screen. Sunbathing at noon enormously improves mood.

  201. Let’s see your argument: poor people are stupid, they actually never wanted to go to university, but to work early. I suppose you even know their motivations, why not, they are stupid after all. But there were some lucky ones who through priests and connections managed anyway – a miracle!

    (I said above: don’t tell us about charity scholarships, I am not into lottery systems. But I guess you couldn’t resist, it betrays the poverty of your position.)

    Oh, and let’s not forget that and I am an “idiot” because I don’t see the fake commies-kept-me-from university argument the same as you. No wonder we can’t function in the same country, we don’t share even minimum context. I still think Orban is a cool dude. As long as he stays south of Danube. But it is simply a fact that about 75% kids pre-communism were effectively kept from higher education – they had no money for it and only a tiny insignificant % got mentors. That is what really bothers you – the fact that history is not what you would like to preach, that it was quite ugly and commies were a reaction to it. So you lie to yourself.

  202. I’ll be rooting for Ukraine against England in recognition of the non-svido factor on the Ukrainian team.

  203. Mr. Hack says

    https://www.macombdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AP21180788636656.jpg?w=868

    Ukraine beats Sweden late in the game!

    Mickey, you’ll be sad to learn that many millions of “Svidos” will be joining you as you root. The trident was worn proudly today…I’d say that #6 looks more than a bit “Turano-Turkic” to my eyes.

  204. See:

    https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1409958555491483649

    Are you sad that many Russians and Ukrainians who aren’t svido will be rooting for Ukraine?

    Better late than never, this chap is saying the same things I did awhile back:

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/why-ukraine-dangerous-and-unworthy-ally-188742

  205. BlackFlag says

    The Tartar back then being very different from the Tartars today would explain it.

    I don’t bother looking up, but I remember otherwise, that Polo called people of Cathay fair, but I’m not completely sure.

    I guess you are right.

    They are inclined to be fat, and their noses are small. Their hair is black, and they have scarcely any beard, or only a few scattered hairs on the chin. The women of the superior class are in a manner free from superfluous hairs; their skins are fair, and they are well formed.

    In one story, he talks about how the Cathaians in a city rose up in a plot to kill all foreigners, which included the Tartars, Saracens, and Christians. Since all these foreigners had beards while the Cathaians naturally did not, the plan was to kill all bearded men. But when you look at Mongols nowadays, they don’t have much heavier beards than Chinese. They look like North Chinese but stockier. Maybe at the time they were more Central Asian looking and during the past centuries they’ve absorbed more Chinese blood.
    http://asiasociety.org/files/130711_naadamfestival8.jpg
    https://il6.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5068643/thumb/1.jpg?i10c=img.resize(height:160)

  206. At first they were just acing entrance exams and similar.

    God damnit! I absolutely love meritocracy.

  207. R. T., exposure to the sun increases your odds of having skin cancers. Tanning just allows you to do more damage and multiply the risks.

  208. There are quite a few such Russians.

    Russians are not generally obsessed with Ukraine in the way that (specifically svidomy) Ukrainians are obsessed with Russia.

  209. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    But when you look at Mongols nowadays, they don’t have much heavier beards than Chinese.

    I would say amongst continental E. Asians, northern/central Hans have the most facial hair…but most don’t grow it out, and I believe PLA mandates shaving

    Ming emperor Xuanzong, ancestry Anhui (north-central)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuande_Emperor#/media/File:Portrait_assis_de_l'empereur_Ming_Xuanzong.jpg

    Overall for orientals, Japanese takes the cake

    Tōgō Heihachirō and Nogi Maresuke
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhuvWXZVoAA3BlZ.jpg

  210. Purpose of the mass vaccination of the population is to prevent the movement of the virus through the population, not to protect you as a particular individual – but in this process it will protect you as an individual, regardless of whether you are vaccinated or not.

    We can see that chances of being infected becomes extremely low in countries where the epidemic is under control, and the current evidence is that vaccination is allowing epidemic to be controllable in those countries which have had early vaccine rollouts of Western vaccines (although Chinese vaccines seem to be failing https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html).

    For example, in Israel, after 55% of people have been vaccinated with Pfizer – only 0,4% of coronavirus test results which targets symptomatic people, are currently positive, with over 40,000 tests of symptomatic people per day.

    45% of the Israeli population is still unvaccinated, but they are currently “free riders” on the control of the epidemic provided by the vaccinated 55% population.

    In such a situation (which should soon be attained in multiple developed countries with effective vaccine rollouts), there is a low chance of being personally infected, let alone suffering serious problems.

    In the rolling 7 day average, number of people having active serious coronavirus cases at the moment in Israel (again, with 55% of the population vaccinated) is 0,00026%. which seems to be around 8 times lower rate than the number of people with penis cancer – a rare disease. Of course, this is level not static and can increase exponentially – but this is an indication of what other countries will see as more than half of their population becomes vaccinated.

    https://i.imgur.com/0bd3nVf.jpg

    I don’t think that high vaccination rates will be achieved. But I wish you good luck in your gas masks.

    A year late to have prevented the pandemic, media finally admit it can reduce infections by 100%, even in the most dangerous circumstances of treating seriously ill infected patients. Here is reported by the BBC today: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636360

    “The quality of face masks healthcare workers wear makes a huge difference to their risk of coronavirus infection, Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust research has found.

    Wearing a high grade mask known as an FFP3 can provide up to 100% protection.

    By contrast, there is a far greater chance of staff wearing standard issue surgical masks catching the virus..

    The study found that staff caring for Covid patients on “red” wards faced a risk that was up to 47 times higher than those on “green” or non-Covid wards. So as the second wave of the pandemic started to hit last December, managers in Cambridge made a local decision to upgrade the protection on red wards.

    “The only thing left to try that could make a difference was FFP3 respirators, and they did,” Dr Ferris said.

    In the weeks following this move, the rate of infections among healthcare workers on red wards dropped spectacularly, quickly falling to the level experienced by staff on green wards where there were no Covid patients.

    The study concludes that “cases attributed to ward-based exposure fell significantly, with FFP3 respirators providing 31-100% protection (and most likely 100%) against infection from patients with Covid-19″.”

  211. Bashibuzuk says
  212. Yes there might be a change of thinking about this, and there are appearing some kind of indications that sun tans could be healthy for you despite the skin cancer risks, and beyond just vitamin D.

    Is Sunscreen the New Margarine?

    Yet vitamin D supplementation has failed spectacularly in clinical trials. Five years ago, researchers were already warning that it showed zero benefit, and the evidence has only grown stronger. In November, one of the largest and most rigorous trials of the vitamin ever conducted—in which 25,871 participants received high doses for five years—found no impact on cancer, heart disease, or stroke.

    How did we get it so wrong? How could people with low vitamin D levels clearly suffer higher rates of so many diseases and yet not be helped by supplementation?

    These rebels argue that what made the people with high vitamin D levels so healthy was not the vitamin itself. That was just a marker. Their vitamin D levels were high because they were getting plenty of exposure to the thing that was really responsible for their good health—that big orange ball shining down from above.

    Lindqvist tracked the sunbathing habits of nearly 30,000 women in Sweden over 20 years. Originally, he was studying blood clots, which he found occurred less frequently in women who spent more time in the sun—and less frequently during the summer. Lindqvist looked at diabetes next. Sure enough, the sun worshippers had much lower rates. Melanoma? True, the sun worshippers had a higher incidence of it—but they were eight times less likely to die from it.

    So Lindqvist decided to look at overall mortality rates, and the results were shocking. Over the 20 years of the study, sun avoiders were twice as likely to die as sun worshippers.

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science#close

  213. Bashibuzuk says
  214. Gumilyov’s theories or not (doesn’t he want to save the reputation of Turkic nationalities, by disassociating them from Jewish capitalists) – it would be surprising if Israelite settlers had not followed the typical pattern of the world when they created a new community in Europe: if men was travelling, the women would not be. New populations formed by mobile groups, would have to be created by non-local men marrying to local women.

    This pattern has continued into much of the modern world until the 19th century, so that, for example, the ancestry of modern Argentinian population, is European on the male side, while Native American on the female side.

    “Argentineans carried a large fraction of European genetic heritage in their Y-chromosomal (94.1%) and autosomal (78.5%) DNA, but their mitochondrial gene pool is mostly of Native American ancestry (53.7%); instead, African heritage was small in all three genetic systems (<4%).
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20059473/

    Prior to the 19th century, perhaps an exception, of not marrying local women, is with anglosaxon settlement of America, or Boers in South Africa. (Although Irish immigration to America, had something like 6:1 male female ratio in the 18th century.)

    Zionist settler of Palestine from the late 19th century, seemed to be a success in managing to bring almost as many women as men to such an inhospitable environment – although perhaps it would have been better for Middle East peace, if they had married local Arab wives. By comparison, the first Jewish communities in Siberia a century earlier formed partly by Jewish settlers marrying local Kalmyk women.

  215. Mr. Hack says

    Russians haven’t been invaded by little green men from Ukraine. Haven’t had chunks of their country ripped off by Ukrainian Svidos because they have “misbehaved”. There are good reasons why Ukrainians, of all political stripes, are “obsessed” (concerned would be more accurate) with Russia.

  216. “That the Pope banned Jews from owning Christian slaves”. – The fact that there were many bans against slavery issued by popes between 6th and 15th centuries shows that the bans were not effective. The profit was just too great. We can assume there were many ways to circumvent the bans.

    By the turn of the 6th to the 7th century, Jews had become the chief slave traders in Italy, and were active in Gallic territories. Pope Gregory the Great issued a ban on Jews possessing Christian slaves, lest the slaves convert to Judaism. By the 9th and 10th centuries, Jewish merchants, sometimes called Radhanites, were a major force in the slave trade continent-wide. – wiki

    It seems that local rulers in Central and Eastern Europe before and still long after adopting Christianity were quite happy to sell their subjects to slave traders.

  217. sher singh says

    It’s ok I’ll cut you down to the bone.

    Also, Singhs recovering girls in Kashmir

    https://mobile.twitter.com/amaanbali/status/1409771551205986319?s=20

    Also, just hide Dmitry. Any Wokeism @ uefa btw?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  218. Mike in Boston says

    I recommend content creators/brand owners to snap up an .eth domain. They are cheap but could become quite important come Web 3.0. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

    What little I have been able to find about .eth domains is either written for idiots (e.g. https://trustwallet.com/blog/getting-eth-domain) or is narrowly technically focused (e.g. https://docs.ens.domains/), so I don’t yet have a sense of what a .eth domain is good for.
    Some references to it suggest that it’s just a more human-readable alias for an Ethereum wallet address, but others claim that it has some connection to DNS (https://medium.com/the-ethereum-name-service/ens-kred-major-integration-of-dns-and-ens-launches-e7efb4dd872a) or IPFS (https://www.coindesk.com/cloudflare-unveils-gateway-to-distributed-web-with-ens-ipfs-integration).

    I care about human-readable cryptocurrency addresses not at all, but by contrast a replacement for DNS is urgently needed. USG is already seizing .com domains registered by Iranians on mighty thin pretexts, and as we gather speed toward the “left singularity”, it won’t be long before no crimethinker’s .com is safe. And then they’ll bifurcate the internet to close off Americans from the .ru’s.

    I had hoped to find some more insight into just how a .eth address could be useful to a content publisher in this thread. But hitting Control-F on the page mostly just finds the word “ethnic”, unsurprisingly. Hence this plea for help. Anyone got a good overview?

  219. Yellowface Anon says

    The map is certainly outdated given the demographic changes in these few years (esp. the movements out of Cali and NY that has only picked up speed after COVID lockdowns)

  220. This pattern has continued into much of the modern world until the 19th century, so that, for example, the ancestry of modern Argentinian population, is European on the male side, while Native American on the female side.

    To be precise, they are nearly fully European on their father’s side and slightly more than half Native on their mother’s side. They are about 70% European.

    But I think there is huge variation. Buenos Aires is full of people with pure Italian ancestry whose great-grandparents all came in the late 19th century, while people in provincial cities may be an even mix of European and native. So the 70/30 mix may be almost as unrealistic as concluding about Americans that they are of 6% African descent.

  221. AltanBakshi says

    Blue or green eyes, ginger or blond hair are extremely recessive and disappear if populations do not stay isolated, how many times I keed to repeat this fact to you weirdo racialists. Heck there was a whole class of people in Mongol empire called Semu, meaning many coloured, because their eyes varied, most of those semu were Central Asian and Iranian Muslims, but no maybe they were just some white people who mysteriously disappeared. I’m being ironic here.

    If there is a surviving drawing of Khubilai, drawn by a man who knew him well, and that drawing clearly depicts man with heavy Mongolian features, how you can still imply that Mongols were somehow not Mongolic?

    Also the White Huns were called White for a reason…

    I must resist clicking troll button. If you would know anything about steppe culture, you would know that black and white have had always important spiritual meanings in Altaic Shamanism. White has connotations of spiritual purity, that’s why Mongol emperors dressed in white robes, just like Сагаан үбгэн, old white man of legends , that’s why Russian Czars were called white, or why White Tara is white, commoners were often called black, кара ор хар, our new year is сагаалзан, celebration of white moon. Man can have very dark features, but still called white if he possesses high spiritual qualities. Clearly some of you unz readers are extremely shallow…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honghuzi

    How you fool explain this phenomenon then? By your logic Chinese Manchurian border bandits were then gingers!

  222. Yellowface Anon says

    I don’t think that high vaccination rates will be achieved.

    Definitely!

    (Politically speaking) even when they profess to the goal of 80-90% vaccination rate, medical institutions are secretly expecting for a large antivaxx contingent, as the enemy in the narrative of “disease control” and eventually setting up segregated governance.

  223. AltanBakshi says

    Guardian, eh? This is quote from the link you posted:
    “But Birch-Machin is dubious about races such as the Swedes having any real advantage over us in the tanning stakes.”

    https://www.thelocal.se/20110706/34764/?amp

    Every year 2,800 people in Sweden are diagnosed with malignant melanoma, now one of the most common forms of cancer in Sweden, according to a report by Sveriges Radio (SR). Despite this, Swedes continue to use the least sun protection and suffer most sun damage of all nationalities.
    “We love the sun, we have long and cold winters, and as soon as we get our vacation, we Swedes want to make the most of every minute of our sun, which our skin can’t handle,” said Ingrid Synnerstad, associate professor in skin disease and chief physician at the dermatology clinic at Linköping University Hospital, to SR.

    You really are wrong, it’s just that modern Swedes, especially many young women, are obsessed with sunbathing, thus with dedication and work you can get even Swedish skin tanned.

  224. reiner Tor says

    I used to have some resources on it, but overall that’s an oversimplification. Sunlight is good for you in moderation, which means quantities not yet causing sunburn.

  225. reiner Tor says

    Wearing a high grade mask

    Like I said, I wish you good luck in your gas masks.

  226. sher singh says

    Similar to people believing Indra Dev is Nordic. The White racialist cope requires people to be jealous of and subversive toward whites through all of human history, despite Nordic areas being backwaters.

    This cope also doesn’t explain why the master race is losing to the point whereby, mid century the only places with a substantial white (poc) majority will be slavic lands.

    :shrug:

  227. Bashibuzuk says

    You clearly didn’t take the time to read what I posted.

    If there is a surviving drawing of Khubilai, drawn by a man who knew him well, and that drawing clearly depicts man with heavy Mongolian features, how you can still imply that Mongols were somehow not Mongolic?

    Börte & Sorghaghtani Beki . You are probably aware that a child usually has a father and a mother?

    Blue or green eyes, ginger or blond hair are extremely recessive and disappear if populations do not stay isolated,

    That’s exactly what happened with the Borjigin clan and this is exactly what I also wrote. They had recessive traits which were lost through admixture. These recessive traits are not originally found in earliest Altaic populations (that would be Okunevo culture). Later Altaic populations are all admixed to a various degree with a very diverse assemblage of populations including various proportions of Western Eurasian (mainly Scythian) people and Ugric (from Sargat) people.

    weirdo racialists.

    You are being the weirdo racialist here. I am writing that the Early Steppe Empires were polyethnic and interracial, including both Eastern Eurasian and Western Eurasian genetic lineages on top of Ugric genetic inflow. You are insisting that somehow your Mongol ancestors weren’t adnixed.

    How you fool explain this phenomenon then?

    I was going to mention the association of Red hair color with the “demonic” traits in the Han mythology. And was also going to write about the Honghuzi bandits to demonstrate that the Han saw these traits as alien and menacing since times immemorial, since the times they had to battle and assimilate early Steppe Barbarian people who often had these phenotypic traits. I didn’t mention it for two reasons: 1) largely irrelevant, 2) a stretch too far to make a point that should be obvious.

    Clearly some of you unz readers are extremely shallow…

    Yeah, sure. Now go and take the time to carefully re-read my comment because you clearly come as a shallow reader yourself.

    And Hephtalite Huns were called White because they were more Iranic / Sarmatian admixed than the Xiongnu. The early kings of the White Huns had typical Indo-Iranian names such as Mihrakula, demonstrating their attachment to archaic Indo-Iranian cult of Mihr (Mithras) that was also historically well attested among the Parthians. Thing is your view of Altaic populations’ ethnogenesis is lacking.

    Now go educate yourself:

    https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31321-0?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867420313210%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

  228. There are quite a few such Russians.

    Russians are not generally obsessed with Ukraine in the way that (specifically svidomy) Ukrainians are obsessed with Russia.

    In a rivalry (real and imagined), the smaller group tends to be the more obsessive. Reminded of the situations in NY and Boston concerning the Red Sox and Yankees – especially in the years prior to the Red Sox becoming a powerhouse with four World Series titles in this century.

    I’ve run into my share of Ukes in the US who’ve a pro-Russian outlook and detest the svidos.

    During the Sweden-Ukraine game in Glasgow, I heard a chant that sounded like Rossiya! I recall such in the last UEFA tournament when Ukraine played in Donetsk.

  229. AltanBakshi says

    Tanning was made fashionable by Coco Chanel in 1920s, before that ivory skin was the standard of beauty in Europe. Once again we can thank the French for the modern degeneracy. Like liberalism and jacobinism were not enough?!

  230. sher singh says

    No one cares.

    https://twitter.com/terrorhousemag/status/1155158532012027904?s=20

    Imagine ignoring how politics shapes historical perception, Quebeckers be stuck in 19th C Liberalism.

    nous étions rois

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  231. Bashibuzuk says

    Gumilyov’s theories or not

    Gumilyov was specialized in Khazar archeology as a young scientist. He worked on it before he came up later with his ethnogenesis/passionarity theories.

    The reason why his theories were and still are disliked is simple: he offended the Russian westernizers when he described the influence of the Great Eurasian Steppe on the formation of the Russian State and he offended the Jewry when he correctly described the formation of Khazar Khaganate as a hijacking of the Khazar Turkic ethnos by the Judaizing plutocratic elite. He has shown that this societal model ends up with the destruction of the Gentile ethnic basis and he has shown why this happens.

    Same thing that happened in Khazaria is ongoing today in both RusFed / Ukraine and the USA / Globalized West. The consequences for the Gentile ethnic core will most likely be similar to what happened to the Turkic Khazar folks some 1000 years ago. It will be degradation, degeneration, disappearance and replacement.

  232. AltanBakshi says

    Maybe it is similar fallacy as claiming that eating of ice cream lessens the risk of getting flu. When it’s just that people eat more ice cream in summer, when it’s warm and not cold and wet.

    Perhaps Swedish women who are tanned, just spend more time on outdoors, doing sports, and other fitness related stuff? When pale women are more often overweight, avoid sports, etc… Japanese women are very healthy and live long, but I think that most Japanese of older generations have done their best in avoiding of direct sunlight. Actually Japanese women live longer on average than Swedish women.

    By comparison, the first Jewish communities in Siberia a century earlier formed partly by Jewish settlers marrying local Kalmyk women.

    Not possible, Kalmyks were Cossacks, and Jews were not allowed to their ranks. Maybe buying surviving Dzungar slave women from Khalkhas and Kazakhs? Dzungar genocide and enslavement of remnants happened in the 18th century, That’s only chance how such exception was possible. Please could you say where you found this information?

  233. AnonfromTN says

    A fly in svido ointment: hysterical svido Nitsoy (self- appointment children’s writer) has already attacked the guy who scored for speaking Russian at the press conference. Madhouse inmates stay true to form.

  234. See, that’s how the “ghost-whites” tan. It needs to be gradual to be activated, but when it is

    On the other hand, I wouldn’t recommend it. You see how whites who live in deserts and sunny places look like. Their skin ages real quickly

  235. reiner Tor says

    If there is a surviving drawing of Khubilai, drawn by a man who knew him well, and that drawing clearly depicts man with heavy Mongolian features, how you can still imply that Mongols were somehow not Mongolic?

    I agree that Genghis was likely Mongoloid, but a possible alternative explanation is that the artist could only make pictures of Orientals, and the picture was not nearly as realistic as European Renaissance and later paintings anyway. Moreover, there could be political reasons for him to want to be depicted as similar to his subject. And then there’s the thing that someone could be Mongoloid even if his grandfather was Europid, so Genghis could be Europid (especially something like the Kazakhs) while his grandson Kublai could look basically fully Oriental.

  236. Yellowface Anon says

    It was the Jews, but only as the first ethnos to achieve the proto-liberal status of rootless cosmopolitans, and contributing their mindset to subsequent elites who may or may not have connections to Judaism. I’m not a fan of essentializing a race or an ethnos.

  237. Bashibuzuk says

    Genghis was Mongoloid, but he also had clear eyes and reddish hair. This recessive phenotype was frequent in the Borjigin Clan. Probably the result of an ancient admixture.

    In an identity-by-descent analysis, the researchers found that Mongolians share a high portion of IBD segments with Finns. In an overall analysis, they found that Mongolians have about 10 percent European ancestry, while Europeans have about 12 percent Mongolian ancestry. But when then excluded Finns from that analysis, the portion of Mongolian ancestry among Europeans fell. This and other analyses suggested to the researchers that complex admixture might have taken place in northeastern Europe and Siberia.

    https://www.genomeweb.com/sequencing/genetic-ancestry-modern-ancient-mongolian-populations-unraveled

    I have already mentioned the Sargat Culture a couple of times, it was probably there that the Ugric admixture took place.

  238. Bashibuzuk says

    I have already written that the first to break with the Cyclical Chronological Outlook were the Zoroastrian Indo-Iranian people. They basically invented the concept of progress deriving from an eternal dialectic struggle between Good and Evil, Light and Darkness etc. The final victory of the Saoshyant was to bring the future Utopia. The Jews absorbed and adapted this mindset when they lived under the benevolent Persian patronage. It influenced both the Essenes and the Phariseans.

    Later on, the Jews turned against the Persians and helped the Macedonian / Greek invasion. The Jews became partially Hellenistic, that yielded the early Christian sects through the mix of Judaism, Platonicism, Middle Eastern cults, Zoroastrian influences etc. Christianity intertwined the Antique view of progressive decay in human morality with the Zoroastrian notion of a future victory of Good against Evil.

    Some non-trinitarian Christians and many Jews fleeing the Roman and Byzantine domination settled in Arabia. In Yemen it led to establishing of a Jewish Kingdom. Arabs adapted the Abrahamic mythology of their Jewish and Christian neighbors, added some Semitic lore and perhaps some Manichean influences and ended up producing a Prophet bringing forth the universal message of Islam: pacification and purification of the whole world through struggle.

    In due time, the Jideo-Islamic influences led to Protestantism in Western Europe. The Protestant basically rolled back all Hellenic influences in Christianity and brought it closer to its Semitic roots. They also affirmed the purification ethos producing Puritans and other extreme sects.

    These sects settled North America in a time when the British seriously entertained the idea of “British Israelism” and produced the matrix that led to the current World situation.

    As soon as people abandoned the Cyclical Chronological Outlook of the ancient paganism, the domination of the progressive was just a matter of time. Jews are not the problem, the idea of progress is the root of all Evil.

    Humans do not progress. We evolve very slowly. We are still just naked bipedal apes, but we pretend that we are the center of the Universe. This is the problem.

  239. Guardian, eh? This is quote from the link you posted:
    “But Birch-Machin is dubious about races such as the Swedes having any real advantage over us in the tanning stakes.”

    You quote selectively. From the same link:

    James Scott, director of the genetics and genomics research institute at Imperial College London, thinks that from a genetic perspective, the British should be more likely to toast to a gentle brown than their cousins from more northerly latitudes.

    The genetic differences among northern Europeans are minuscule, he says, and any golden glow from the Baltic could be, he says, an “observer artefact”.

    But he is not certain of that. “Either the genetics is subtly different in Swedes, such that they have blond hair and fair skin but the propensity to develop more melanin when they see the sun, ” Professor Scott says. “[Or] maybe there is a form of conditioning in which the genes get set by environmental triggers in a particular sort of way.”

    You really are wrong, it’s just that modern Swedes, especially many young women, are obsessed with sunbathing, thus with dedication and work you can get even Swedish skin tanned.

    It doesn’t take “dedication” for Swedes. And with dedication you can’t get Irish skin tan in such a way.

    Another observation (random from google, which reflects how common it is):

    https://www.datalounge.com/thread/21812719-olive-skinned-scandinavians

    I travel to Denmark and Sweden quite a bit for work. One thing that’s always perplexed me is the large number of natives who have light blond hair and tan skin. It’s very striking. You can tell it’s not from tanning, how did this happen?

  240. Wignat is a slur says

    I remember when I read about this, I encountered this hilarious site by a very angry Chinese accusing Rashid Al-Din of Jewish perfidy by lying about the Mongols’ ethnicity to improve the reputation of the white race.

    https://goldenhordes.wordpress.com/2013/10/09/debunking-a-white-myth-genghis-khan-had-red-hair/

  241. Yellowface Anon says

    Persians at least still had a land and their lineage. Jews only have the lineage they elevate above all Goyim.

    In time this dichotomy stopped being one of ethnic identity but of ideology, wealth, class, and power.

  242. Bashibuzuk says

    It’s not a matter of ethnicity, but a matter of mentality. Those who have the mindset that allows them to act as a vector of the techno-social change are the ones who are favored nowadays. The closer you are to the process of technological change and the flow of finances and information that fuels it, and the higher you rank in the postmodern hierarchy. Technological progress is basically what most people mistake for human progress. Technology is basically superseding human mind. True human progress would be us as a species developing some higher mental and moral qualities, not the average human buying the latest IPhone. But becoming a better human is difficult, while buying another gizmo is easy: “there are things that are priceless, for the rest there is Mastercard”…

  243. Agathoklis says

    There was a real opportunity around 168-167 BC when our Seleucid king, Antiochos VI Epiphanes forced the Jews of Jerusalem to worship Zeus and Dionysos. Strangely, they were unhappy with this arrangement and refused.

    Naturally, Antiochos destroyed the city and placed a military garrison nearby. Things would have been very different if they had accepted Bromios.

  244. Mr. Hack says

    I have a friend in Minnesota who was of Norwegian descent on his father’s side and French on his mother’s side. He had somewhat dark skin and extremely dark eyes, and coal black hair. Overall, a dark complected sort of look. I always just wrote off his anomalous look to his French genes and let it go at that. Reading this thread has caused me to think about him and the overall topic of dark and tanning Scandinavians. Due to the marvels of the internet, I’ve been able to find several threads dedicated to the topic of “dark Norwegians” where even Swedes can be found to be darker than the “driven snows”. This propensity towards darkness is definitely to be found within Scandinavia amongst a small but discernible subset that nobody seems to be able to explain away. Several theories abound. Some think that gypsies made it to Scandinvia and mixed in with the Aryan blondies, others think that certain subsets of the Finno-Ugrics were dark to begin with. I don’t have any theories of my own, but have witnessed this phenomena first hand, in Minnesota. Of course I was also fortunate to see many good looking specimens of the blonde type too. Here’s a photo of the later type that I knew in high school, who went on to make it in the world of musical entertainment:

    https://www.dakotacooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/700x400_Connie-Evingson_2.jpg
    The always lovely Connie Evingson!

  245. Yellowface Anon says

    Instead of memes that reinforce GOP and Trumpist idiosyncracy have this little cuddling raccoon:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4kjCwrUUAcv8j9.jpg

  246. I’m no geneticist, but this is what the point of the article.

    On the male lineage, modern Argentineans are 94% European, while on the maternal lineage they are 54% Native American.

    The reason for the disparity, is because the vast majority of European immigrants were male.

    In the first generation, marry male European immigrants Native American women. In the second, male European immigrants married half-native children. In third, male European immigrants married to quarter-native children.

    Argentina’s population becomes progressively more European, but mDNA shows a majority of Argentinians are descended from Native American founding women.

    A Jewish example of settlement in Western Europe is probably different, as there is indication of an Israelite founding population, disproportionately male, but does not seem to be have been a multi-generation immigration stream of Israelite men.

    So the early studies of communities’ male lineage, had supported a so-called “Zionism as repatriation interpretation”, as they showed the Ancient Israelite origin, including to some extent for Ethiopian Jews. Later reports, of the female lineage, had been more disappointing from the Zionist repatriation viewpoint, as the maternal origin of these population seems to be more localized to the population where Jews had settled (e.g. with Ethiopian Jews and European Jews not having majority Ancient Israelite origin in the maternal line).

    Buenos Aires is full of people with pure Italian

    I didn’t read any history books of Argentina, but I don’t have an impression that Italian immigrants there was separated from the normal population, in the way of the USA model,- e.g. where New York was strongly divided by rival nationalities until the second half of 20th century, and Irish, Jews, Italians and WASPs would try to create a separate social and dating life.

    For a political example of the Italian immigrants who managed to reach the top of the society – President Mauricio Macri is from Italian paternal descendent, but Argentinian Spanish maternal descent (and his wife is paternally Lebanese and maternally Syrian Muslims).

  247. AltanBakshi says

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/YuanEmperorAlbumGenghisPortrait.jpg

    You clearly didn’t take the time to read what I posted.

    You were clearly implying that Chingghis was more Europid in appearance than present day Mongols which just shows how ignorant you are about Mongol history. I have no bias in this matter, I am myself a man of mixed origins, therefore why I would have a need to prove the East Asianness of ancient Mongols?

    The Tashtyk culture was first surveyed by the Russian archaeologist Sergei Teploukhov.[3] Teploukhov suggested that it had been initially Indo-European dominated, only to become overcome by the Yenisei Kirghiz around the 3rd century AD.[3] The Yenisei Kirghiz are often associated with the Tashtyk culture.[4]

    Yenisei Kyrgyz lived in Krasnoyarsk Krai, quite far away from the original homeland of the Mongols.

    There then followed the Tashtyk culture (200 B.C. to A.D. 200), which corresponds to the Hunnic period in Central Eurasia and represents a major intrusion of a new Mongoloid population into the Minusinsk Basin.

    Yep, the Turks came from the east.

    Originally Mongols came from the borderlands of Eastern Mongolia and Manchuria, they drove away the original inhabitants of the lands, Uyghurs, and mixed heavily with the remnants. Now when you think of Uyghurs, you probably think of the present day inhabitants of Xinjiang/Eastern Turkestan, but present day Uyghurs are a mix of original Indo-Europeans of Tarim Basin and Uyghurs who escaped Mongol conquest. There’s a lot of archeological and forensic evidence of how ancient Steppe Uyghurs looked like, and they looked very Mongolic. You are now Bashi very anachronistic in your attitude.

    IE folks lived in Tarin basin and Ordos area about 2000 years ago, they were already pushed to west by Turkic people long before the coming of the Mongols, who lived east from Turks in the grasslands of Hulunbuir and forest steppe of Manchuria. So original Uyghurs were very East Asian in appearance, and only later mixed with IE people! Which then means that populations living east of Uyghurs, were quite likely East Asian in their appearance! Especially when we take into consideration that there are no proof of Scythians living east of Tuva, or other IE speakers living east of Ordos.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qocho
    If you check this link you can see various surviving ancient depictions of Uyghurs, they did not look very Indo-European.

    Börte & Sorghaghtani Beki . You are probably aware that a child usually has a father and a mother?

    Both women were from ethnic groups that were closely related with Mongols, Sorhagtani was a Keraite, and Keraites were lived further west than Mongols, if anything it would be more likely that she had more European admixture than members of original Mongol tribal confederation.

    That’s exactly what happened with the Borjigin clan and this is exactly what I also wrote. They had recessive traits which were lost through admixture. These recessive traits are not originally found in earliest Altaic populations (that would be Okunevo culture). Later Altaic populations are all admixed to a various degree with a very diverse assemblage of populations including various proportions of Western Eurasian (mainly Scythian) people and Ugric (from Sargat) people.

    I do agree that later Altaic populations are all admixed to a various degree, but your whole premise of possible Indo-European admixture of original Mongols is based on what some Persian Jew thought as the origin of the word Borjigin. Rashid al-Din Hamadani was the adviser and vizier of Ghazan Khan. Ghazan was a Muslim and descendant of Chingghis in, what, in 8th generation or something? So your whole thesis is build on what Rashid had heard from Persianate and Islamised Mongols of Iran, far removed from their roots!

    In my life I have often noticed that Russian language sources are much better in regards of the history of Steppes than the English language ones. Situation was same with Tibetology, but during the last few decades studies in English language have greatly improved.

    Here is what Russian wikipedia says about the word Borjigin.

    Согласно Аюудайн Очиру, две составляющие слова «борджигин» — «бор» и «джигин» происходят из протоалтайского языка, из которого развилась алтайская языковая семья. Монгольское слово бор (boru) переводится как «светло-серый, серый, буланый с серым оттенком, синеватый серый»[3]. Монголы словом бөртэ также именуют волчонка[4]. В бурятском языке, слово буртэ имеется в сочетаниях „хухэ буртэ шоно — матерый серый волк”[5], „буртэ-гэрхэн — серенький”[6], т. е. значение этого слова ~ серый[7]. Аналогом в тюркских языках является слово böri, büri[3].

    Под словом жигин в монгольских языках подразумевается титул родственников хаганов, а также возвеличивающий имя принца[3][8]. В тюркских языках термин известен в формах сыгин[7] и тегин. Согласно Э. Дж. Пуллиблэнку, титул тегин происходит из хуннского титула ту-ци (по переводу «Хань шу» — ‘мудрый’ или ‘достойный’). По его мнению, до тюрков титул тегин был распространен у эфталитов и древних монголов тоба[9]. Версия происхождения этнонима «борджигин» от слов бөри «волк» и тегин «принц» получила поддержку ряда других учёных[7][8].

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Борджигин

    Wolf sounds quite much more likely, especially when wolf was the ancestral animal of the Mongols.

    You are being the weirdo racialist here. I am writing that the Early Steppe Empires were polyethnic and interracial, including both Eastern Eurasian and Western Eurasian genetic lineages on top of Ugric genetic inflow. You are insisting that somehow your Mongol ancestors weren’t adnixed.

    Hey, hey who is now not reading? Did you not read my comment 79#?

    Oh Boomthorkell I forgot to mention that Mongols have more Indo-European or “white” admixture, than other Asians like Han and Koreans. There was clearly some mixing with ancient steppe Aryans, though not as much as in the case of Central Asian Türks.

    For the past two thousand years, the genetic flow in the steppes has gone from the east to the west. I do not deny that Khamag Mongols had no Paleo-Siberian admixture, but there was not much western eurasian heritage.

    Btw Reiner Tor, Aniko, or Anige according to my the site I linked, artist who draw Khubilais portrait, was not East Asian, but a Nepali man, so why he would have had problems with depictions of non-East Asians? And he knew Khubilai from his youth, and Great Khaan Khubilai was about 12 years old when Universal Khaan Chingghis passed away, therefore it is quite likely that Khubilai could remember how Chingghis looked and instruct Aniko in his work, which means that Great Khaan’s portrait is not any propaganda(“POLITICAL REASONS”), really you guys sound like black nationalists sound when talking about their hidden history or something?

    https://theme.npm.edu.tw/khan/Article.aspx?sNo=03009223&lang=2

    Records indicate that Anige did imperial portraits for the Yuan court, and the high quality and consistency of the portraits of Kublai, Chabi, and Targi suggest the same hand-perhaps that of Anige.

    Furthermore, the treatment of the transparent thin gauze along Targi’s forehead is similar to that found in 13th-century Nepalese thangka paintings which in turn derived from east Indian styles. Though not conclusively by Anige, these portraits must be closely related to him.

    The portrait of Chingghis must have been famous in the Mongol empire and there must have been a standardised depiction of him already before the rule of Khubilai Khaan, and I have a good reasons to believe so, for one of the princes of Rus, Mikhail Chernigovsky was ordered to bow before Great Khaans portrait in 1245, which famously led to the martyrdom of that poor and noble man.

    Hey Bashi did you know that there exists an ethnic group, officially recognised by the PRC, called White Mongols or Tsagaan Mongol, in Qinghai and Gansu provinces of China, H.H. Dalai Lama is partially related to them. By your logic they must look more Indo-European than other Mongols, right? Because they are the fricking WHITE Mongols, just like the WHITE Huns!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF_ob3ZUEAAZpE8.jpg

    How WHITE or WESTERN EURASIAN THEY LOOK! UNBELIEVABLE!

    Anyway, Eurasians are so closely related with each other that its very hard to discern if someone is 1/4 East Asian and 3/4 West European or vice versa. Like in the case of Keanu Reeves and Bruce Lee.

  248. Russians haven’t been invaded by little green men from Ukraine.

    Time to accept that Crimea is in Russia now because Crimeans decided to be Russians. The concept you refuse to accept is called DEMOCRACY.

  249. Yellowface Anon says

    https://i.imgur.com/A4hi4nh.jpeg

    What’s a better insult to your redneck fans than locking up the viewer seats because “COVID”, then installing screens for all the faces staring emptily into the simulacrum of simulacra? Pro Wrestling never has a good sense of aesthetics, but this is straight out of mortuaries. Keeping the seats empty or opening them at half capacity looks better (tho libertarians and maybe lots of redneck won’t return until there’s full seating and they don’t need a mask and vaccine passports for entry).

  250. What I call DEMOCRACY, doesn’t come at the point of a Russian tank, run by “little green men” controlled by Kremlin strategists.

  251. AltanBakshi says

    others think that certain subsets of the Finno-Ugrics were dark to begin with.

    It could be the Sami heritage. Samis originally inhabited most of Finland, Northern half of Sweden and Norway, they were progressively pushed to North, but probably many of them were just assimilated by the Swedes, Finns and Norwegians.

  252. Yellowface Anon says

    Have you seen the raccoon pic I posted an hour ago?

    The main purpose of voting is legitimizing the political system and political agendas made independently from actual popular desires (if any)

  253. I expected you to argue against my post, but you didn’t. But I will write points anyway I would have responded as it clarifies some of the earlier discussion.

    “Collective immunity” is a tautology, or analytic statement, which is useful for clarifying our language, but which we can adjust like a sliding rule (by changing this “R number”) to match what is seen in real world example. For example, epidemiologists even now introduce the concept of “super spreaders” within the analytic statement; viewing “R number” is the average number infected, and then you can also enter a dispersion parameter, such as standard deviation of the number of infected.

    In so far as the observed scenario (for example, the situation in Israel), we saw a 55% vaccination rate of Pfizer had been sufficient to reduce the infection wave of the Alpha variant to a very low level, in which outdoor mask mandate could be removed, and for short time indoor masking too.

    Does this imply that R0 of the alpha variant is less than 2,23? Well, the R0 will vary from country and society, and there the distinction between R0 and Rt is a little arbitrary. It is probably very useful language for the epidemiologist community to communicate between each other though.

    55% vaccination rate with Pfizer, while indoor masks were used, resulted in almost “zero covid” with the Alpha variant. So we can be optimistic that the developed countries will soon reach the threshold where the epidemic is easy to control, and the chance of infection becomes very low regardless of your personal vaccination status.

    Like I said, I wish you good luck in your gas masks.

    Contrary to anti-mask views, it would have been the most timely, as well as lowest cost and highest convenience intervention, along with installation of an adequate indoor ventilation.

    Fighting pandemics should be like this, from highest to lowest:

    1. PPE, ventilation. (i.e. engineering solutions, using mature technology, all fast available at low cost)

    2. Travel bans, quarantines. (social policies – rapidly available, but temporarily expensive)

    3. Mass vaccination of the population until there is sufficient collective immunity. (Waiting for the pharmaceutical industry to rescue you – this should be viewed as “Minimax” kind of insurance when everything else failed, as it did)

    4. “Swedish approach”, of allowing the virus to pass through the population until there is sufficient natural immunity, with possible annual repeats (something which appeals to fans of Russian “avos”)

  254. Your sexual attraction to women or men is not determined by fashion trends, as I’m sure you noticed from your own life.

    The decision to have children is determined by fashion trends. It’s a choice, and nowadays is largely decoupled from sex even among the low IQ.

    Western fashion presents a traditional heterosexual marriage with children as the most boring and white bread of all couples, while doubling down on the notion that having children is merely one lifestyle choice among many and not a social expectation. That is the part that impacts fertility.

  255. Blinky Bill says

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5IJWMwXoAApU6_.jpg

    30/06/21

    Someone posted this more than a decade ago.

    After suppressing military spending from the late 1970’s to the early 2000’s in order to free up its energies for rapid economic growth, the People’s Liberation Army is now being paid back handsomely for its patience. A prescient quotation from the Economist in 1986, from the days when the magazine was still worth reading:

    For China’s military men with the patience to see the economic reforms through, there is a payoff. If Mr. Deng’s plans for the economy as a whole are allowed to run their course, and the value of China’s output quadruples, as planned, between 1980 and 2000 (admittedly big ifs), then 10 to 15 years down the line the civilian economy should have picked up enough steam to haul the military sector along more rapidly. That is when China’s army, its neighbors and the big powers will really have something to think about.

    That time is now. Defense spending is now rising faster than GDP, as China intensifies military modernization and acquires new capabilities in electronic, information, and anti-satellite warfare. The overall strategic balance has also changed. The dissolution of the Soviet Union meant that the old Chinese fear of a tank invasion from the north has dissipated; coupled with the growing importance of maritime trade and foreign energy supplies, this has produced a reorientation to coastal defense and broader power projection to the south and east. China’s most ambitious military project is its decision to embark on the construction of a real blue-water navy, a vital tool in the renewed “gunboat diplomacy” we are likely to see in the years ahead.

    ▲▼In the short term, this has extended to China acquiring Russian weapons such as four Sovremenny-class guided missile destroyers, twelve Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines, and advanced anti-ship missiles and supercavitating torpedoes such as the Sunburn, Sizzler, and Shkval. Domestic production of naval vessels is expanding rapidly: whereas US shipbuilding is withering away, China now accounts for a third of global shipbuilding and “is in the midst of a shipbuilding and acquisition craze that will result in the People’s Liberation Army Navy having more ships than the U.S. Navy sometime in the next decade”, including four aircraft carriers by 2020.

    6 launched if not commissioned by the years end.

  256. AltanBakshi says

    I’m not a fan of essentializing a race or an ethnos.

    Somewhat same with me, but rootless cosmopolitans are not preoccupied with their own nation state and nationalism, even without mentioning that they really do have an ethnocentric religion.

    To understand where the future may lead us, we must first know our past. It’s not very likely that China will become a Swiss style democracy in this century, right?

  257. The “fly in the ointment” is that this super-jock sports dude hadn’t realized that he was playing for the Ukrainian national team. Unless he was an import from Russia or Kazakhstan he should have been able to string together a couple of sentences in Ukrainian. Ukrainian or Russian speaking athletes that play in the US are able speak in English when interviewed. The guy must have been, eh.., how do they put it at this blog, a “low- IQ” individual. 🙂

  258. Wignat is a slur says

    The White Huns were white though (or more white than others).

    Procopius of Caesarea in the sixth century states that the Xionites were of the same stock as the European Huns, ‘in fact as well as in name’, but [the White Huns] were sedentary, white-skinned, and did not possess ‘ugly features’

    https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsFarEast/AsiaBactriaWhiteHuns.htm

  259. similar fallacy as claiming

    Well it’s just a correlation, found in an observational study.

    However, there is at least also one of the possible proposed physical mechanisms: “when he exposed volunteers to the equivalent of 30 minutes of summer sunlight without sunscreen, their nitric oxide levels went up and their blood pressure went down. Because of its connection to heart disease and strokes, blood pressure is the leading cause of premature death”

    So it is a hypothesis they could now try to test.

    Not possible, Kalmyks were Cossacks,

    When the Jews have been exiled, or voluntarily settled, in Siberia, there were many more males than females. Jews became important in the fur trading industry in Siberia. They could marry Russian women, only if they abandoned the religion. But they were able to get dispensation to convert Kalmyk women to Judaism, so they had famously established the Siberian Jewish community with Kalmyk women that were converted to Judaism.

    This is reported in mainstream sources in Russian. But from English – here was an example: https://books.google.ru/books?id=ZZ2MCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA148&lpg=PA14

    There is a general trend in the Russian Empire/Soviet Union, that the more East you settled, the more tolerance or normality became to multinational marriage.

  260. AltanBakshi says

    https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/5123470

    Scandinavian countries have the highest number of skin cancer cases in all of Europe, despite having the most sun-deprived climates. Sweden leads the Nordic countries, with 45,000 people diagnosed with skin cancer each year. 500 die from the disease annually, in particular from melanoma, which is more than the yearly total of fatalities from road traffic accidents.

    Johan Hansson, a doctor at Karolinska hospital, and one of the conference’s organizers, says skin cancer has been on the rise in Sweden since the 1960s, and shows little signs of slowing down as the Swedes are a sun-worshipping nation.

    “Swedes do not live in a sunny country, but we almost worship the sun. Since we are an affluent country we can afford to go abroad during summer and during winter”, Hansson tells Radio Sweden.

    “Many people travel to Asia, for instance, and get a very strong stan in a short amount of time. This is something that shows up now in cancer statistics, unfortunately”, he says.

    One of the issues being discussed at the conference is the use of tanning beds, a practice which is popular in Sweden, especially during those sun starved winter months. While many countries have banned tanning beds entirely due to the proven link between their use and skin cancer, tanning beds can be found in swimming pools and sports halls in all of Sweden’s municipalities. Phillipe Autier, a physician from France, has been researching into link between the use of tanning beds and melanoma.

    Sweden is one of the champions in the world for indoor UV-tanning. Teenagers and young women are crazy about keeping a tan. But also, it’s a question of feeling well. During the long winter, there is a need to get some light”, Autier says

    Okay, I admit that it’s little bit harder for British to get tanned, but we both forget what either of us was comparing to. I compared Nordics to Northeast Asians, and I’ve never been on a sunny vacation or on the beach with Britons, so from my perspective Nordics do not tan easily. To me they have always been the standard of people who don’t tan easily.

  261. Morton's toes says

    I was going to mention the association of Red hair color with the “demonic” traits in the Han mythology.

    I would be very interested to know where I could find out more about this.

    Did anybody else notice that in the movie edition of War and Peace the only two blonde actors in the whole movie are the villains Helene and Anatole?

    *Most people consider Helene and Anatole just about the only two villains in the work but I did once get flamed to hell and back on the internet for writing that. Some people consider Tolstoy way too sophisticated an artist to use crude tropes like villainy. : )

  262. Bashibuzuk says

    Look up Seima-Turbino and Akozino-Malar cultures.

    Obvious signs of the Scandinavian Bronze Age in the coastal zone of the modern Finland are stone cairns and certain bronze items. In the inland, ceramic studies give plenty of archaeological footprints of eastern connections to north-western Russia in the Early Metal Age. Axes of the Seima type have been found as stray finds in Finland (Table 1). Lacking archaeological find contexts, no dates can be provided for the individual items. Judging by the fact that early Textile ceramics in the area dates to the 20th century BCE, there is a strong reason to suggest that the Finnish Seima axe finds are as old as the Seima-Turbino phenomenon in Russia (Fig. 1). The local production of bronze implements might have begun in Finland at the end of the 2nd millennium BCE, which is the suggested date for the axes of Maaninka type (Table 2). The axe is the result of a challenging bronze technology, made by a skilled handicraftsman (Fig. 2). The very restricted distribution of this specific axe type suggests that it could be a local innovation. At the end of the 2nd millennium BCE, Akozino-Mälar axes spread over a large area: they are found all the way from central Sweden to the Middle-Volga region, including Finland (Fig. 3, Table 3). A few casting moulds of these axes are known in Finland, too. Only one bronze axe of Ananino type has been found in Finland and has the title of the youngest bronze axe in the country. However, a few axes of Ananino type were probably cast in the inland in the second half of the 1st millennium BCE, as a few casting moulds have been found (Fig. 4). Copper and bronze were imported goods that could not be mined anywhere in Finland in prehistoric times.

    Basically, modern day Scandinavian people are mainly a mix of different proportions of local native populations of Funnel Beaker Culture Y haplogroup I, the Eastern Bell Beaker folks of haplogroup R1b, the Corded Ware derived Battle Axe culture of Y haplogroup R1a and the Seima-Turbino and Akozino-Malar Ugric people of Y haplogroup N.

    Among these cultures only the Funnel Beaker Culture people, who were also close to the Megalithic Culture population of the Western Europe and British Isles, would have probably evolved in the Doggerland vicinity and would have had the phenotype corresponding to the climate of this region: cold and cloudy. The rest would have basically descended from the populations originating in Southern Siberia and who at their inception would have resembled their haplogroup Q ancestors, that is looking like Amerindian tribes.

    The American Indians were named Red Skins for a reason.

  263. AltanBakshi says

    Of course it’s possible that White Huns were European looking, but tribal moniker white, and some Iranic loan words are not enough for claiming that some people were racially Asian or European. Bengali language has many words of Persian origin, is that proof of blood kinship or just cultural interaction?

  264. …at least some US governmental agencies, companies and oligarchs were trying to increase societal grievances during the Trump presidency.

    I am sure that’s true but it doesn’t mean they know what they are doing. If there was a competent central plan, it would be better managed. Come on, bats?, Russian saboteurs on Facebook? – this is amateur hour, maybe oligarchs don’t deserve those bonuses.

    60-70% of people are naturally conformist – that holds across all IQ segments. It doesn’t take much to get them to jump of cliffs. Let’s not be too harsh on the petti-bourgeois, it is a fun lifestyle: jams in cupboards, deferring to experts, obedient vaccinations, and harmless Downton Abbey dreams. They know when it is safe to laugh and at what, and they instinctively know that resistance is risky. They may outlive us… even here on Unz when pressed, people revert to the safety of their mind-space, they have already been vaccinated against most dissent – they just don’t know it.

  265. AltanBakshi says

    Yup, your source affirms what I thought, they bought those women. Russians also called Dzungar/Oirats of the East by the name of Kalmyk. Well, maybe not ideal, but good that those Jews saved them from being sex slaves in the brothels of Central Asia, which was the destiny of many other surviving Oirat women in those times

  266. Bashibuzuk says

    White Huns were admixed, just like the Xiongnu and the Western Huns of Attila were admixed. What was different is the proportions of the admixture. The Hephtalite had a higher proportion of Indo-Iranian ancestry.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Dilberjin_attendants.jpg/132px-Dilberjin_attendants.jpg

    All early Steppe Empires were polyethnic (Gök Turks come to mind).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks

    Some later Turkic people were also more European looking than others: Polovtsy / Cumans were supposedly often blond (from the Old Slavic root *polvъ “pale; light yellow; blonde”).

    It has left its genetic imprint on the Central Asian people. It is just that the more recessive traits originating in the Corded Ware derived Indo-Iranian populations got progressively diluted into near extinction. But even if the phenotype is rare, the genetic lineages are still there, for example around 50% of modern Kirghiz are Y haplogroup R1a, like their Indo-Iranian ancestors 2000 years ago.

    And sometimes you have backcross breeding situations:

    https://ru.sputnik.kg/photo/20170926/1035410475/sary-kyrgyzy-fotopodborka.html

    Something similar might have happened among the Borjigin as well. And sorry, but the fact that Rashid-ud Din was a born a Persian Jew is not enough to disqualify his testimony about the origins and the looks of Genghis Khan and his ancestors.

  267. Bashibuzuk says
  268. songbird says

    I guess that begs the question, why it hasn’t been successfully (as far as I know) commercialized anywhere else.

  269. songbird says

    They say that books about MLK and Nelson Mandela have been banned in HK. Well done, Chinese! I hope it is really in all Chinese cities.

  270. Daniel Chieh says

    Where did you get these numbers from?

  271. sudden death says
  272. How many of the Scot and Irish athletes speak their respective native tongue?

    BTW, Ukrainian football (soccer) is sovok in its construction. 17 of its players come from the top two club teams – Dynamo Kiev and Shaktar Donetsk. The Latvian ice hockey team carries on like that as well, relative to Dynamo Riga.

    Recall Soviet national ice hockey teams typically having anywhere from 20% to 50% of its players coming from CSKA Moscow. A smilar pattern existed with other Soviet national sports teams often comprised of athletes from 1-2 club teams.

  273. Daniel Chieh says

    I would be very interested to know where I could find out more about this.

    I am Chinese and am unaware of this mythological association. Chinese mythology doesn’t have monsters in the same way as the proliferation and standardization of Japanese oni seem to have: it’s usually a lot more like kitsunes or zombies.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_White_Snake

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiangshi

    I guess it is an interpretation of a very direct slur.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ang_mo

    That appears to be a direct descendants of Dutch conflicts and is of fairly recent origin.

    During the 17th century, the Dutch East India Company failed in its attempt to force their way into Fujian to trade in the 1620s during the Sino-Dutch conflicts and were called ang mo by the locals.

  274. sudden death says

    Even if a little bit too early to be completely sure (one more month or so needed), yet so far UK data seems promising when dealing with Indian strain after vaxing – new infections not prevented, but deaths have not picked up at all and continued to fall, despite rising infections and noticable pick-up in hospitalizations lately.

  275. Wignat is a slur says

    Chinese schoolchildren are taught about the (alleged) Holocaust, so it’s not all roses

  276. AltanBakshi says

    Bashi’s interpretation of colour red in Chinese culture is very odd, there’s no colour more loved and adored by Chinese than the red!

    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/statue-guan-yu-god-honor-white-background-isolated-30619809.jpg

    And it’s true, red is the best colour, the colour of virility and victory!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.svg/900px-Flag_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China.png

  277. AltanBakshi says

    By the way it’s been long time since I last read about this stuff, so I mistakenly remembered that Mongols drove Uyghurs out of Mongolia, but it was Yenisey Kyrgyz, and not Mongols, and only afterwards Mongolic Khitans came from the East and conquered most of present day Mongolia.

    And sorry, but the fact that Rashid-ud Din was a born a Persian Jew is not enough to disqualify his testimony about the origins and the looks of Genghis Khan and his ancestors.

    Doesn’t matter if he was Greek or Persian, what matters that he was dealing with Islamised Mongols who had never seen Chingghis Khaan and his children, unlike Khubilai and members of his court.

    And sometimes you have backcross breeding situations:

    https://ru.sputnik.kg/photo/20170926/1035410475/sary-kyrgyzy-fotopodborka.html

    That’s only natural, for the Kyrgyz mixed with the native IE people of Tien Shan area. Kyrgyz live West to Mongols, there are still Oirat remnants inhabiting in small pockets the lands between Khalkhas and Kyrgyz and they clearly have more Western Eurasian admixture than other Mongols. But Chingghis Khaan was definitely not a халимаг.

  278. Daniel Chieh says

    Yeah, red and green are auspicious colors.

    I’m unfamiliar with red demons, although I think that they might exist in some Buddhist hell concept. I don’t know anything about that, tbh. The demon story I’m most familiar with is the White Snake story – the original one where she’s a creature of evil; she’s obviously a white snake, and her sister is a green snake. I suppose some of the Journey to the West creatures are various animal morphs, but I don’t think that any of them are specifically red beyond what’s expected for the animal they emerged from.

    IIRC ancient Chinese shamanism in some places worshipped fire, and thus, positively saw the color red.

  279. Can we get FM Lavrov of Russia to condemn Canada for the church burnings?

    https://twitter.com/WolfishHead/status/1410305322162479108

  280. Blinky Bill says
  281. Bashibuzuk says

    unfamiliar with red demons

    I know that red as a color is seen as auspicious in Chinese culture.

    What I mentioned was not red demons, but red haired demons. Usually found on the frescoes in the depictions of Hell.

    https://media.britishmuseum.org/media/Repository/Documents/2014_11/12_11/c2477f02_632b_4410_99aa_a3e100b612cd/mid_00098219_001.jpg

    https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/image/98219001

    The red head fellow on the right in this picture is one of these.

    I have read about it many years ago in the writings of a nineteenth century Russian enthomologist Grigory Grum-Grshimailo who has written a memoir on his travels to China. He was interested in the history of the local populations and local mythology. Gumilyov also mentioned this in some of his writings about the history of China.

    In Russian below:

    Г. часто изображались в храмах, а также на народных картинах, обычно с остроконечной головой и рыжими волосами.

    https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_myphology/2186/%D0%93%D0%A3%D0%99

    https://leninka-ru.livejournal.com/169324.html

    https://tech.wikireading.ru/huS9w2gVsk

  282. Bashibuzuk says

    Please see my comment above. The demons were not blond but specifically red haired. The Russian transliteration of their Chinese name is Гуй (probably Gouy in Latin transliteration?)

    https://china-underground.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Raising-the-Alms-bowl-The-Conversion-of-Hariti-the-Mother-of-Demons-III-1024×778.jpg

  283. Wignat is a slur says

    To be fair, the Indians do have more evidence than the Holocaust

  284. Morton's toes says

    Thank you. I have heard ang mo very rarely. Like maybe three times in my life. Have you ever been in an environment where it is used casually and/or commonly?

  285. AltanBakshi says

    Well Bashi it seems that Medieval Europeans were even more hostile towards red hairedness than the Chinese were. Red hair was associated with Judas, Jews, heresy and Anti-Christ. IIRC inquistion and protestant witch hunters were quite suspicious of gingers.

    Many protectors of Dharma have red hair, even in Chinese esoteric Buddhism.

    Btw what’s that painting? It’s title is “conversion of Hariti?” Hariti is a very great protector of ancient Iranic origins.

  286. Coconuts says

    Karlin’s white supremacism explanation does not hold water, and is easily eliminated by Occam’s razor. Western elites do not feel any solidarity or sympathy towards working class whites, and sometimes they are even openly hostile to them, if that’s white supremacism, then Nazis were secret philosemites who just wanted to ensure the creation of Israel and generations of goodwill for Jews.

    I also thought about examples along those lines, they would be a reductio ad absurdum of AK’s original argument.

    But IMHO White genocide is also too implausible a possibility to be that useful, so I started thinking about Eric Kaufmann’s whiteshift concept instead. Whiteshift is the idea that by the last decades of this century former white majority countries in North America and Western Europe will be around 80% non-white and mixed race, and the definition of ‘white’ will move again to include populations now thought of as mixed or non-white. This is a more mainstream prediction for the future and also something that has more probability of occurring.

    Now, the elites in those countries after something like whiteshift will probably be mainly descended from the current white elites, but very likely will be more racially mixed than now. And, it seems support for whiteshift and a desire to repress anything that might be an obstacle to it happening is strong among some white elites and progressives, so in that way it can be seen as an example of ‘white supremacy’. But the content and goal of such a whiteshift policy is the opposite of white supremacist.

    Why elites and progressives would want to either engineer this outcome, or at least to try to forestall or repress concerns about it, is an interesting question.

  287. The Eurasianist thugocracy isn’t sending it’s best these days; this is the current ambassador to the UK!
    https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1408043402533429250?s=20

  288. Mr. Hack says

    How many of the Scot and Irish athletes speak their respective native tongue?

    Bad analogy. Different historical situations here, you’re trying to compare apples and oranges. Firstly, there are way more people that speak Ukrainian than Irish or Scottish Gaelic, even combined. These folks, unfortunately, stopped using their native languages long, long ago. In Ukraine, there was always a large core of people in the countryside that always used their native language. I think that it’s sad when a people lose the ability to communicate in their native language, especially if its due to some sort of imperialistic pressure from the outside. The Irish or Scottish situation should be avoided in Ukraine, at all costs.

  289. Mr. Hack says

    It’ still a better system than conducting plebiscites at the point of a gun or tanks. Besides, political candidates like Trump that represent a disgruntled electorate that is hostile towards the status quo sometimes push through.

  290. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    Hey bro its all about the gains

    Any Wokeism @ uefa btw?

    I follow it through German media and didn’t think it could get any gayer, then I saw this
    https://imgur.com/a/6Hy7tFA

    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fussball-em/ukraine-im-em-viertelfinale-party-nach-sieg-gegen-schweden-17414811.html

  291. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    How about we do a trade? you guys can claim Genghis, we get this guy:

    After skiing more than 400 km (250 miles) he was found and admitted to a nearby hospital, where his heart rate was measured at 200 beats per minute, triple the average human heartbeat,[5] and weighing only 43 kg (94 pounds).[4] In the week Koivunen was gone, he subsisted only on pine buds and a single Siberian jay that he caught and ate raw. He ended up surviving and died peacefully at the age of 71.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimo_Koivunen

  292. by the last decades of this century former white majority countries in North America and Western Europe will be around 80% non-white and mixed race

    An outcome, which in no uncertain terms, is 1000 times worse than the Holocaust.

    Our self-determination must be inviolate.

  293. Mr. Hack says

    The American Indians were named Red Skins for a reason.

    One also runs into this red hue of skin tone in Mexico and Central America too, more of it as the person who exhibits this lovely hue is more purely native Indian. I really find this reddish coppertone to be quite attractive, apparently at one time so did a lot of WASPs. 🙂

    https://www.allthingstanning.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/COPPERTONE-6-150×150.png

  294. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    Portraits of Tang (6-9CE) founder Gaozu, and Empress Wu Zetian. Note their fair/blue eyes. Probably y-haplogroup N carriers.

    Europoid phenotypes in China would have been abundant at that time. That changed after after closing of Silk Road and shift of Sinitic civilization to Yangtze Delta

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Tang_gao_zu.jpg
    https://imgur.com/a/fiGxxte

  295. One of the big ironies of alt history is that if Nazi Germany had won, the Germans would have become a great deal more admixed with Slavs.

    Then again, Nazi Germany wasn’t white supremacist either (except in the fantasies of modern white supremacists and normies).

  296. Coconuts says

    I have myself theorised that western elites are trying to create liberal and unitary, but at the same time fragmentary, common identity for whole humanity. Unitary by it’s fanatical anti-racism and equality drive. Fragmentary by dividing people into atomised competing interest groups, in such way whole world could be united under the western elites, but still society would be divided enough so that the plebs could never overcome their differences and do neo-bolshevik revolution and overthrow the elites. There’s a fine balancing act going.

    This is another thing that I thought was a possibility. But it seems to me the most logical way of doing this would be to promote more traditional European left wing or liberal universalist ideals, with the elites setting themselves up as the ‘vanguard of progress’ in charge of managing the whole thing. The identity groups that could have been most useful in dividing societies to a useful or manageable extent would be those around gender and sexuality.

    The new approach coming from the US is more risky, because in the name of anti-racism and equality it is based on placing a lot of emphasis on group identity, collective consciousness and ethnically or racially based oppressed/oppressor relationships; it looks like trying to put these things into the foundations of the culture and political system. Intersectional theory apparently contains the concept of ‘strategic essentialism’, that left-wing activists who are supposed to believe that race is a social construct can act as if they are race essentialists, provided it furthers the cause of the liberation of the oppressed. In practice this theoretical distinction between being a race essentialist and pretending to be one seems to cease to exist, meaning parts of the left become functionally racialist (often in ways that are more outspoken than current ethno-nationalists).

    Even Western elites closely allied with the US seem to perceive the danger in theories like these spreading for their own political projects (or even internal stability). In France, for example they are publicly attacked by members of the elite and in Britain measures are being taken to try to restrict the influence of the US stuff and bring it closer to old fashioned liberal anti-racism.

  297. sher singh says
  298. Thorfinnsson says

    You need to eat to live, but you wouldn’t blame obesity on the existence of spoons.

    Exercise is essential to optimum health, mood, and body composition. Yet overtraining causes injury and chronic inflammation.

    I think you see where this is going.

    Moderate sun exposure is good for health and mood, and it’s not just about vitamin D synthesis. Sun exposure is bacteriocidal, mitigates many skin conditions, upregulates endogenous nitric oxide production (and thus enhances bloodflow with the concomitant improvements in immune response, athletic performance, blood pressure, etc.), increases serotonin levels, increases white blood cell count, and more. There’s a reason people are hard-wired to enjoy the sun.

    Excessive sun exposure of course produces tissue damage, and of course chronic damage accumulation of any kind is ultimately carcinogenic. Fortunately your body has a built in response to stop you from getting excess sun exposure in the form of burning.

    Skin cancer does not occur in vitro, and as with other cancers rates have radically increased in the past century as our environment has become far more carcinogenic. As industrial seed oils have largely replaced animal fats and fruit oils in the diet, the adipose tissue in modern humans is far more composed of unstable polyunsaturated fatty acids which much more rapidly oxidize in the presence of UVA radiation and induce tissue damage. Additionally, many modern chemical sun screens block UVB radiation (the kind which tans and burns you) while admitting UVA (the kind that causes tissue damage).

    The bottom line is you should definitely seek out the sun, but you should avoid burning. And, as always, you should not be consuming industrial seed oils.

  299. What the little green men did is just to deter the Svidos that wanted to kill Crimeans. They didn´t vote. Crimeans voted and decided to leave behind a “country” ruled by people that hate them to return to the true Motherland.

  300. Bad analogy. Different historical situations here, you’re trying to compare apples and oranges. Firstly, there are way more people that speak Ukrainian than Irish or Scottish Gaelic, even combined. These folks, unfortunately, stopped using their native languages long, long ago. In Ukraine, there was always a large core of people in the countryside that always used their native language. I think that it’s sad when a people lose the ability to communicate in their native language, especially if its due to some sort of imperialistic pressure from the outside. The Irish or Scottish situation should be avoided in Ukraine, at all costs.

    In other words, Ukrainian wasn’t as suppressed. Plenty of Irish, Scot and Ukrainian nationalists who don’t often speak their native tongue.

  301. The USSR was at least respectable in that its subterfuge was generally top notch, the bungling Putin gov otoh has goons slinging novichok like paint. Remember when Putin himself denied that there were any Russian soldiers in Crimea??

  302. Bashibuzuk says

    The redhead phenotype is recessive and therefore rare in most populations, this makes redheads exotic. And unfortunately the minorities are often seen with suspicion by the majority.

    Now going back to our redhead ethnography, you probably know that among the most redhead people by prevalence one finds the Ugric Udmurt people.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f8/0f/8d/f80f8d10355aa5b0bba5515d5c4cf8c6.jpg

    One can easily see that the Udmurt often appear admixed with their Turkic Tatar neighbors. This is especially visible in older pictures taken before the massive inflow of Slavic population in Udmurtia in Soviet times.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Udmurt_people.jpg

    Actually, compare this picture with the Prairie Métisse population:

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ac/f5/cc/acf5cc0990f9560795379513ccc2a5a9–fur-trade-mountain-man.jpg

    And then have a look at the frescoe of the Hephtalite Huns I have posted in one of my comment above.

    You get my point?

    All Eurasian populations were admixed, the proportion of admixture was variable, but it was always present in some individuals.

    And sometimes it gave this interesting phenomenon:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Akhmetov_Rinat_Leonidovich.jpg

    A Well known Ukrainian oligarch of 100% Volga Tatar ancestry.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/83/a4/e683a402f0363e27dcd30ef9f33c2544.jpg

    A Turkish actor.

    https://otvet.ya.guru/media/im/M3/hg/M3hgw6HTCAjjULytrtaINp23CkkkYLN.png

    Crimean Tatar children.

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/5c/83/8b/5c838b7d25e6b144c9fc004e12fe10cf–tennis-players-eye-candy.jpg

    And a well known tennis player of Tatar descent.

    My grandfather who according to our family tradition had Ukrainian, Russian, Polish and Ruthenian roots, looked more Asian than any of the adults above. I am pretty sure that in North America people would have thought that he had Native American roots despite his piercing blue eyes. And when I was a kid in Moscow, the Tatar often asked me if I was a Tatar, to which I jokingly replied that I was unfortunately not.

    Actually it happened again in 2018, the question was asked by a Tatar taxi driver.

    But our family name is found among both Russians (especially in Siberia) and Volga Tatars, while the Russian ancestors came from a region where the Christian Служивые Татары have been settled by the Tsar in the sixteenth century.

    All populations are admixed, what is variable is the nature and proportion of the admixture. Genghis Khan might have been admixed too. There’s nothing bad about it…

    Voilà…

  303. Mr. Hack says

    Another informative reply that makes a lot of sense. What “industrial seed oils” do you have in mind, and what could be the nasty results one that one can experience from consuming them? I use both Ukrainian and Russian sunflower oil (delicious oils that are a great source of vitamin E), and prefer the unfiltered, unprocessed types as opposed to the processed ones. The only other oil that I consume olive oil.

  304. Genetic variation in populations from central Argentina based on mitochondrial and Y chromosome DNA evidence
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-017-0406-7

    Heterogeneity in Genetic Admixture across Different Regions of Argentina
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0034695

    Genetic admixture patterns in Argentinian Patagonia
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214830

  305. Mr. Hack says

    Not many, if any “Svidos” wanted to kill Crimeans. The elections were a scam and not recognized by many countries in the world. Ironically, if a real plebiscite had been implemented, Crimea would have most likely opted to unite with Russia. As it is, because of its barbarous methods, Russia incurred a boatload of sanctions that cut itself off from doing a lot of business in the West. Don’t know that it was a good deal, overall?

  306. Objective 1: Zero virus importation strategy – travel bans, strict quarantine for new arrivals

    Objective 2: Fastest path to reduction of Rt to less than 1

    (2a) universal masking (issues of good/bad masks, compliance, etc.)

    (2b) contact tracing with strict quarantine for potential carriers (this will be effective if number of new daily infections n is less than the critical threshold n_crit of contact tracing system ability, which depends on Rt)

    (2c) local lockdowns (when critical threshold of contact tracing system ability is crossed: n>n_crit, Rt significantly higher than 1)

    Objective 3: Herd immunity via vaccination

    O1 is no-brainer and you do it on the day one. O2a is also no-brainer. Then depending on n, n_crit and Rt you do O2c or stay with O2b. You proceed with O3 as soon as vaccines become available and you start vaccinations with the most vulnerable and with the potential super spreaders.

    What metric is minimized by the three objectives? The number of cumulative infections N(t) in time from 0 to t, so N(t) is the lowest at any given t. Because mortality (IFR) is an exponential function of age one could minimize the cumulative number of deaths. N(t)*IFR by applying counter measures selectively depending on age brackets of subpopulations to reduce Rt faster within the older subpopulation.

  307. So Putin did an interview, stated his personal belief in the Triune, and said he’ll write an analytical article on his view that Ukrainians and Russians are one people, and that this division is bad for the ethnos:

    He also mentioned Jews (again), and basically stated that talking to Zelensky is useless because of the external control of Ukraine, exercised primarily from the United States. In short, he sees the government of Ukraine as an object, not a subject.

  308. Okay, I admit that it’s little bit harder for British to get tanned, but we both forget what either of us was comparing to. I compared Nordics to Northeast Asians, and I’ve never been on a sunny vacation or on the beach with Britons, so from my perspective Nordics do not tan easily.

    And I don’t know enough about NE Asians to compare. Nordics tan about as easily as do Ukrainians or Poles, and a lot more easily than do Irish or Scots. That is, if a Nordic person chooses to tan in summer they will get a deep tan.

    This is to be expected because in summer Sweden gets sunny and days are very long. Being unable to tan and instead burning would be very maladaptive in such an environment.

  309. Daniel Chieh says

    One of my dad’s classmates was descended from one of the Dutch women who
    voluntold to stay on Taiwan after the fall of Zeelandia and he had red hair so some of his classmates called him that as a tease.

    That’s the only time I’ve ever heard it used.

  310. Mr. Hack says

    In other words, Ukrainian wasn’t as suppressed.

    Of course it was, in the centers of power and in cultural life. If you wanted to get a good job, especially within the big city, you had to leave your native language at the doorstep and adopt the language of the empire, Russian. In the counryside there was more leaway to use Ukrainian. It really isn’t that difficult to understand.

    Plenty of Irish, Scot and Ukrainian nationalists who don’t often speak their native tongue.

    I know, it’s a shame. 🙁

  311. HbutnotG says

    I was watching a Polish TV station today and on came an advertisement for Oreo sandwich cookies. In it a lone little colored girl is hopping around with a group of white men. I thought to myself (jokingly, and I think it was the vodka) “I find this commercial offensive!”

    Frankly, I can’t wait to see the NAACP set their legal jaws into the Nabisco company.

  312. Shortsword says
  313. Shortsword says

    Ukraine’s industrial production still over 6% compared to 2019

    Still down over 6% compared to 2019.

  314. Shortsword says
  315. Wignat is a slur says

    LMAO, what a retard, a cow is literally designed to be eaten (as it was by the ancient Aryans)

  316. AltanBakshi says

    “the first centenary goal – building a moderately prosperous society in all respects.”

    Quite pragmatic and realistic goal to have, unlike Kruchev’s empty promise of building a (truly) Communist society by 1980…

    https://mlpp.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/607/2019/07/1967-11_1967%E5%B9%B4_%E6%AF%9B%E6%B3%BD%E4%B8%9C%E6%8E%A5%E8%A7%81%E7%BA%A2%E5%8D%AB%E5%85%B5%E6%B2%B9%E7%94%BB-1536×821.jpg

    Heartwarming Congratulations CPC! A century of struggle! A century of victory!

    If Qing was water, then republicans were wood and Communist China is Fire!

  317. sher singh says

    Imagine objecting to either murder or cow protection – let alone both.
    Wignats..

  318. reiner Tor says

    But that’s not what he’s saying.

  319. reiner Tor says

    if Nazi Germany had won, the Germans would have become a great deal more admixed with Slavs.

    I don’t think we can know anything about that counterfactual. Currently millions of Slavs live in Germany (over a million Poles and over a million Yugoslavs, the latter even excluding Albanians), so they are going to be admixed with Slavs to a very large extent as it is. Having a higher level of admixture with Slavs in exchange for a lower level of admixture with black Africans and Arabs would probably be desirable in any event, and I would expect a much higher level of that in our timeline.

    Nazi Germany wasn’t white supremacist either

    Well it depends on your definitions, but I have the impression that they would have thought all whites other than Jews to be worth more than blacks, and in general they thought that the white race was superior to other races, if for no other reason than because Germanics were whites, too. Obviously they were mostly obsessed with intra-white racial differences, so they were not white nationalists.

  320. reiner Tor says

    Putin himself denied that there were any Russian soldiers in Crimea??

    This means that he accepted the legal framework of international law and only temporarily wanted to suspend it. He could’ve said “so what?”

  321. reiner Tor says

    And probably the Celtic type skin is better suited for the cloudy climate of the British Isles with very little sunshine even in the summer.

  322. reiner Tor says

    poor people are stupid, they actually never wanted to go to university, but to work early

    They wanted to work early because they couldn’t afford to keep their children in school until age 22, it was much cheaper for them to have them work at age 10 or 12 instead. Most people didn’t have much money, the reason being a very low level of economic activity a hundred yards ago, Germany then was poorer than Tunesia today, and it was richer than most countries to the east and southeast of it.

    I can see you are going to blame earlier regimes for not being as rich as 21st century economies.

    75% kids pre-communism were effectively kept from higher education

    In Hungary there was considerable effort to get peasant children to higher education, as a part of the effort to prove Hungarian cultural superiority over our neighbors. They also tried to ensure the loyalty of the lower classes to avoid another revolution. This didn’t work well, because the peasant children (despite considerable selection efforts) had much higher rates of failure than sons of the middle and upper classes. Part of the story must’ve been nutritional deficiencies, some the result of general poverty, and some the result of the famine during the First World War. But part of the story was no doubt genetics. Yes, a lot of talented people never got to higher education (even from the upper classes, since so few people went to university anyway), but that’s not the same as saying that they were “barred” from higher education. The economy kept improving as a result of technological development, and no doubt would’ve continued regardless of political system. Communism obviously slowed that down, but on the other hand achieved better enrollment than capitalist countries with the same economic development level. Overall people would prefer material wealth over poverty with the same level of higher education enrollment.

  323. I’m not sure what’s more embarrassing: sending an ambassador to the UK who’s not conversational in English or coming up with such lame justifications for Putin’s keystone kops attempting to irradiate an opposition leader’s underwear. Can you believe those Ukrainian ingrates aren’t begging to submit to Putin’s glorious sub-Soviet Khaganate?

  324. Nazi’s race ideology was skin deep. They were more blank slatist than HBDists. After all Jews from families assimilated (converted) to Christianity for more than two generations were exempt from Nuremberg laws and it was well known that converses practice the same endogamy as religious Jews. They were no longer Jews. They were Germans. Extermination of Jews was a biological measure against cultural and political Jewishness not against their genetic Jewishness. 100,000 Jews served in Wehrmacht. Jewish veterans of WWI and Jewish husbands of Arian women were exempt from deportations East.

    Actually the extermination of Jews began with Operation Barbarossa as it was believed that the Soviet Union would collapse once its elite is exterminated which Nazis believed was mostly Jewish according to widely popular meme of Judeo Bolshevism. So initially killing Jews has been more political than anti-Semitic.

    This was not much different than what they began in Poland in 1939 when they went after the elites to decapitate the nation during which Jews also were killed but as members of Poland”s intelligentsia not because they were Jewish. In fact there were very few anti-Jewish actions in occupied Poland prior to the attack on Soviet Union. In cities Poles who were subjects to frequent round ups sometimes envied Jews relative peaceful existence free of German presence in Jewish Ghettos that had their own administration and police. Jews have been sold on the idea of Ghettos as places were they would have more autonomy than Poles in occupied Poland from where they eventually would be sent to some Jewish state that wood created for them.

    Nazis in 1941 and 1942 got used to killing Jews by shootings on territories conquered from the USSR. Also they realized that Final Solution of which they talked for years will not be in form of deportation to somewhere like Madagascar. When the Wannsee Conference took place already over 1 million Jews have been killed Baltic sates, Belarus and Ukraine. So this is how the so-called Holocaust was born. They realized that killing Jews was easy and only then Holocaust was moved back West to Poland where Jews were waiting for their fate in ghettos. It was for them and for Jews from Western Europe including Germany and Southern Europe that the extermination camps were then created and Auschwitz was not one of them until the very end.

    Most Germans including Nazis were not dummies like Sailer’s HBDists. They knew that Slavs and other groups have been assimilate and absorbed into German nation for more than 1000 years. This was a continuous process which has been actively encouraged and recruits have been sought during WWII not only as cannon fodder but also as children with nordic phenotype slated for adoptions by German families. Germans knew that the most recent new Germans would display fervor and devotion to Germanness typical of for all neophytes.

    So, Karlin’s “one of the big ironies” is only in Karlin’s mind which have been fed the diet of Nazi cliches and Nazi cartoon characters. I am not saying that Nazis were not deadly dangerous. They were but not because of some biological theories behind their nationhood but because of their belief in the battle for survival in the world of limited resources where the most important resource was land to grow food so Germans would never again had to face starvation. Lebensraum meant living space but also a cozy and safe living room for one big German family.

  325. But part of the story was no doubt genetics.

    Yes, and it is obvious that you do not have a copy of the egalitarian gene.

    but that’s not the same as saying that they were “barred” from higher education.

    You don’t need an actual statue on the books to insure inequality.

  326. reiner Tor says

    He was not talking about the poisoning at all, but about some court decision, probably the one banning his organization. Also he never says that Navalny wanted to destabilize society through elections, he’s talking about destabilizing the country and undermining the constitutional order and elections. “Undermining elections” is basically literally what the Americans are accusing the Russians of doing, or American politicians accuse their political opponents of doing so.

    Anyone can listen to a two minute video and decide for himself that he is not saying what you and the tweet assert.

  327. reiner Tor says

    That’s true. No system is perfectly just ever. The Hungarian system before the war somehow still wasted less talent than afterwards. I’m not sure you are aware how poor the country was in the 1930s. Even America wasn’t yet nearly as rich as it is now, but it was vastly richer than Hungary. So how was Hungary supposed to ensure that literally everyone has the exact same chance of going to university, when talent was also not evenly distributed across the population regardless of wealth and income? Yes, some of the issue was that the poor were often starving. I know how horrible it was to work blue collar jobs (all four of my grandparents worked blue collar jobs from age 12), but not going to university was the smallest of their problems.

  328. sudden death says

    It might not even be too early though, because below comparisons of 2nd/3rd wave look quite convincing already. Also it might be noted that RF and UK have roughly similar daily infection numbers now (RF 23k/UK 26k) but difference in daily deaths are drastic – nearly 700 in RF and below 20 in UK:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/01/08/44902561-9742985-image-a-10_1625123391727.jpg

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/01/08/44902563-9742985-image-a-11_1625123407229.jpg

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/01/08/44902559-9742985-image-a-12_1625123428397.jpg

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/01/08/44902557-9742985-image-a-13_1625123431961.jpg

  329. To call the decision of the Crimean population to join Russia a scam and to deny that it reflected the said population’s will is living in an alternative reality.

    Equally under current and stretching back to all the years after the dissolution of the SU circumstances any referendum, election or some such which would not reaffirm Crimea as a part of the Ukraine would never be recognised by the West (under the West’s pressure by many other countries too). Denying this is living in an alternative reality too.

    Elections, referendums etc. are free and fair for the West when they align with the Wet’s agendas. If it does not popular will results in the West’s ire and not unfrequently in western sanctions to punish the population which expressed the “wrong” will such as in case of Crimea. This is “real reality” as opposed to an alternative one.

    Last but not least considering what happened in Odessa fears as to what Svidos who wanted to come to Crimea to show “friendship” were really up to were entirely justified – in “real reality” (as opposed to an alternative one) context and circumstances do matter.

  330. Mr. Hack says

    It appears that Putin and AK are both Triunists. Let’s s hope that Putin’s skills and output at writing history articles on this topic are greater than AK’s. I’ve been trying to get Karlin to put something out on Triunism for years now, all to no avail. What are the odds that Putin will ever write anything about Triunism? Better than Karlin’s at doing so? 🙂

    https://blogsmedia.lse.ac.uk/blogs.dir/9/files/2017/07/birds-of-a-feather.jpg

    “Birds of a feather flock together” 🙂

  331. Mr. Hack says

    What’s the matter, can’t you read:

    Ironically, if a real plebiscite had been implemented, Crimea would have most likely opted to unite with Russia.

  332. The problem to a large extend comes from the fact that what is today the Ukraine was stitched together by the Soviets from vastly different lands with populations which were related but still different including linguistically different.

    Now the problem has been made much worse by attempts to have people who are linguistically and otherwise for all practical purpose Russian converted to “Ukrainism” in its Lvovian-Galician form.

    Taking into account such “minor details” as for example geography and history would show sensible people that “fighting” the Russian language in the Ukraine would be like trying to force German speakers in Switzerland to speak French or vice versa.

    As for the suppression of the Ukrainian language anyone who still has some books and other publications from those times can attest that in the Soviet Ukraine many were bilingual with pages divided vertically in half: Ukrainian text on the left and Russian on the right.

  333. This can’t be correct. 35 fold different mortality seems way too high. Most likely RF has 100k new daily infections which would be congruent with 700 daily deaths at IFR≈0.7%. It has been suggested that RF has been undercounting by factor of 5 from the day one. While UK has much lower IFR because most of old people have been vaccinated.

    So let’s say IFR=0.1% for UK, meaning that because of lack of vaccination and possibly somewhat worse medical care chances of dying in Russia for the infected are 7 fold higher but in reality this the age demographic effect as vaccination starting with the oldest segments of population made UK’s population much younger than RF’s population from the point of view of the disease.

    OTOH, as of today 11.97% have been vaccinated in RF. That would be enough to vaccinate 91% of all 65 yo and older in RF. So if they were vaccinated there would be no difference in the IFRs between UK and RF but they were not vaccinated because the young and upwardly mobile who hope to live forever and on less populated planet like Mr. Karlin were the first in line and had no time to encourage the old and confused to get vaccinated w/o showing contempt for them. In fact Mr. Karlin was in the line before the line was even formed.

  334. That’s true. No system is perfectly just ever.

    Many (most?) conservatives use this as an excuse for opposing any efforts to improve the system.

    The commies at least paid lip service to the ideal of egalitarianism, in the beginning anyway, and certainly in their ideology.

    I accept the reality of group differences, but I am not willing to apply that to social/economic classes. I’m not a Social Darwinist.

    I still have a complaint with you when you point to elite status as “proof” that they deserve elite status because they are “talented”. It is circular reasoning.

    Also, I note that the U. S. is moving in the direction of using group status instead of meritocracy. I’m too old to be around to see how it ends, but my guess is that using group status will increase inequality as much, or more, than your preferred ideas.

  335. It doesn’t make sense for you to lie. Remember when a Svido said about the Crimean people “Promise them everything. We will hang them later.” That is one of the causes of the referendum. The pathological hatred of the people of western Ukraine towards those of eastern Ukraine is constantly manifested in their proclamations. Your messages and those from AP are representative of that.

  336. Ironically, if a real plebiscite had been implemented, Crimea would have most likely opted to unite with Russia.

    What’s the matter, can’t you read:

    Elections, referendums etc. are free and fair for the West when they align with the Wet’s agendas. If it does not popular will results in the West’s ire and not unfrequently in western sanctions to punish the population which expressed the “wrong” will such as in case of Crimea. This is “real reality” as opposed to an alternative one.

    To make it easier for you: the West and its minions would not recognise a pro-Russian vote in the Crimea as free, fair etc. – not in this world and this reality.

  337. Daniel Chieh says

    I’m sick at the moment but I’ll look at it later.

  338. Bashibuzuk says

    “Promise them everything. We will hang them later.”

    Ironically, it was Boris Filatov, an ethnic Russian Orthodox Christian who had received several awards from the Russian Orthodox Church, who told that. At the time, he was working for the Jewish oligarch Kolomoisky. Kolomoisky despite being a practicing Jew who had sponsored Jewish organizations around the world, built a huge Jewish cultural center in Dnepropetrovsk and even tried to “privatize” the European Jewish Congress, had no problems at all financing the Ukrainian Ultra-nationalists.

    This is because these people do not really care, politics, culture, religion for them are just a manner to ensure their financial interests. They are not patriots of any country, they are patriots of their bank accounts…

  339. In those times Putin and the rest of the Russian top was much more – pick your choice – cowardly cucks or just cautious and this including in their rhetoric. At least that has recently changed a little for the better.

    The West ostensibly tramples on international law, territorial integrity and sovereignty because of R2P, democracy promotion or because it has a whim and can do it.

    IF Putin had a little more guts (BTW he still had plenty to go through with the whole thing) he would have said that he has a responsibility to protect the Crimean population and that democracy promotion (a vote voicing Crimea population’s will) necessities a Russian military intervention.

    To argue how much this would have changed things, if at all, is going deep into speculation territory.

  340. Cow is actually a pretty crappy meat. Hard, chewy, stringy.

    Pork and lamb, on the other hand…

  341. Mr. Hack says

    The problem to a large extend comes from the fact that what is today the Ukraine was stitched together by the Soviets from vastly different lands with populations which were related but still different including linguistically different.

    This is no fact, but actually patently false. All of the oblasts within Ukraine were and are primarily majority dominated by Ukrainians. Only the autonomous republic of Crimea had a slight Russian majority. Also, the slightly different dialects of Ukrainian that were used were mutually understandable by all speakers.

  342. OK: if formerly Austro-Polish & Galician, Central Ukrainian, New Russian (called so for a reason), formerly Ottoman – Tatar Khanate to mention some pieces it was glued together from is all basically the same Ukrainian, well if so to I have no further question and rest my case (with confidence I might add).

    BTW even I can understand plenty of Ukrainian especially if I slowly read it.

  343. Mr. Hack says

    What exactly am I lying about?

  344. Mr. Hack says

    The majority of the inhabitants of these areas really weren’t Ukrainian? Who were they then?

  345. Elections, referendums etc. are free and fair for the West when they align with the West agendas.

    Right, it has never been anything else. Stalin said after Yalta: “I thought that democracy means the will of the people. Mr. Roosevelt explained to me that it means the will of the American people.

    It is also true domestically to a large extent – the idea that a group of oligarchs controlling the state would give up power because of a voting ritual is very naive. They only negotiate when they must, today they think they don’t have to.

  346. you are going to blame earlier regimes for not being as rich as 21st century economies.

    Not at all, don’t do a strawman. My argument is very simple: access to higher education in pre-communist systems for the majority of population was much worse than under communism. Period. It got better for about 75% of people, more if you account for the fact that it was free. All the talk about poverty, motivations, etc.. is neither here nor there, you could explain almost anything that way.

    The Western sudden interest in providing better education (and other benefits) strangely coincided with the appearance of socialism-communism and other dangerous change-it-all ideologies. The elites reacted and eased up. It wasn’t all technology or progress – a lot of that was related to the general opening of societies and bringing the previously excluded (70-90%?) to higher education, consumer markets, etc…

    Predictably, once the fear of radical commies subsided, the benefits started to be phased out. That may be over-simplified, but it is roughly what has happened. In the long run we will be all worse off, the smart and the stupid, the motivated and the lazy…we are repeating the cycle, this time with much less focused minds.

  347. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    Y haplogroup N is still present in 7% of Hans.

    N and O (E. Asian and the most populous on earth along with y haplo R) both descended from NO:

    https://imgur.com/egkD84b

  348. If the maximalist Generalplan Ost was to be adopted (although yes, it’s a big off), you could be looking at something like 25% of European Slavdom being targeted for long-term assimilation into the German nation. It would become something like 25%-33% Slavic.

  349. Since you asked.

    They are ‘all Ukrainians’ by virtue of first the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union – especially the Soviet Union – amalgamating distinct Rusin ethnogroups, Kozaks and others into one.

    Rusins from what was eastern Poland or southern Gran Dutchy, Kozaks from no-man’s land next to Tatar Khanate, peasants from southern Russia with little ethno-national identification (beyond ‘local’ or ‘Orthodox’ or simply ‘Christian’) etc. were all lumped together as Ukrainians.

    The Russian Empire started it and the Soviet Union finished it. It is ironic that it was the Soviet Union which finally not only brought many Rusins from eastern Poland / Galicia but also ‘the real and true Ukrainians’ (a distinct self-proclaimed group of people which excels at being a pain in the a s s for everybody around) into the Ukrainian fold.

  350. Of course the Ukrainian language wasn’t as suppressed as the native tongues of Scotland and Ireland. At this thread, you acknowledge such by noting that Ukrainian language use is comparatively more prevalent than the Scot and Irish examples.

  351. You are lying about the danger that the Russian population in Crimea was facing in 2014. We saw what happened in Odessa – the unpunished massacre of the Russian speakers – and the willingness if Kiev to bomb Donbas. There were very strong grounds for the Russians in Crimea to fear Kiev. That is enough by Western rules to declare independence or join another state where they feel safer.

    You are also lying about it being against international law: Kosovo was a very similar situation, it happened earlier and the collective West deemed it legal. More so, they bombed Serbia to make it happen. Law is based a precedent – after Kosovo, similar situations are inevitable. Crimea was legal even by the very fluid Western standards.

  352. AnonFromTN says

    Yes, pure nationalities exist only in sick imagination of tribal nationalists. That chick is sure lovely, but there are lovely blonds and redheads, too.

  353. AnonFromTN says

    The worst thing is, many self-appointed Ukrainian “patriots” speak an atrocious Ukrainian. They are so dumb and ignorant that they don’t even know that. Then again, the words “patriot” and “idiot” rhyme in many languages for a good reason.

  354. AnonFromTN says

    The elections were a scam and not recognized by many countries in the world.

    That’s rich, considering that the same countries recognized clearly fraudulent US 2020 presidential “elections” as legit.

    I am not sure about exact percentages, but at least 85% of Crimea residents were happy to get out of a madhouse. Now they are even happier.

  355. Blinky Bill says
  356. Not Raul says

    Not so strange.

    The intermarriage of USA-UK and UK-Commonwealth elites may have been a major factor in politics for more than a century.

  357. Bashibuzuk says

    There are regions in China outside Xinjiang where R1a is also non-negligeable, mainly the places where ancient Chinese historians mentionned the Five Barbarians.

    Among the Xinjiang Uyghur R1a and R1b are each around 30%. Half of modern Uyghur population is therefore derived from either Andronovo and Afanasievo cultures. Central Asian Turks are all quite admixed, while Anatolian Turks are even more admixed and only weakly related to the Central Asian ones.

    Central Asian Steppe Empires were built as hierarchical confederations of clans and tribes of different descent and variable ethnicity. That is why Altan’s claim that the Borjigin could not be admixed is quite amusing.

  358. Triteleia Laxa says

    You’re elevating dogma over what we all can see. Humans do progress. The evidence is overwhelming.

    I am sure you will deny this, in order to cling to your dogma, but arguments about how the distant past was somehow better, will never have mass resonance. You’d be better off arguing that the sky is red, not blue.

    Humans also are the center of the universe. That is of our universe, the one which matters to us.

  359. Bashibuzuk says

    I am actually myself a tribal nationalist, probably more tribal than the majority of other nationalists I have ever met. But I don’t believe in genetically pure human populations. Any population is an assemblage of genetic lineages evolving into clans and tribes. Lineages, clans and tribes might well be of different ethnic origin, but end up by forming a single ensemble through coexistence and intermarriage. This ensemble would produce a nation when its bourgeoisie/middle class is developed enough and aware enough of its common interests. Therefore, a truly tribal nationalist would care about his lineage first and would wish for the nation where his lineage is the dominant one to grow as healthy and strong as possible.

  360. AltanBakshi says

    Diminishing share of Europeans of Christian background in Obama’s and Biden’s administration is a sure proof that it’s not even white elite supremacism going on. I am not totally sure, but I think that there were just one or two members of visible minorities in Bill Clinton’s cabinet. I think that it’s really possible that elites have at least partially internalised their own propaganda. I believe that politicians and oligarchs are rarely such villains as people on the internet claim, most want to feel good, most of them want to feel that their cause is right, that they are really doing good for society, and that’s why they deserve more perks and luxuries. One should never underestimate man’s capacity to deceive himself, as the history has shown us. But still there is something shadowy going on, maybe it’s not men, but demons behind them….

  361. AltanBakshi says

    That is why Altan’s claim that the Borjigin could not be admixed is quite amusing.

    Stop misrepresenting my words. I’ve never claimed so. Siberia, Manchuria and Mongolia were probably quite diverse one thousand years ago, but you are preoccupied with Western Eurasian admixture, when in Mongols case it was probably Ancient North Eurasian, coming from Ket-related Paleo-Siberians. Then there are various Tungusic peoples, and language isolate speaking Nivhks, who knows what now disappeared people there lived in those times in that corner of Earth? And Kets and other Yeniseian people do not look like people in Western Eurasia or Europe.

  362. AltanBakshi says

    Celto-Slavic tribal confederation state would be cool, probably very folksy. Though alcoholism would likely be a problem.

  363. Philip Owen says

    It was then Little Russian (1890 census) and was spoken far beyond the boundaries of modern Ukraine in the Kuban and Saratov. Look at a census map and it is obvious Great Russians were recent arrivals who had settled the Don valley. OF coure great and Little Russians pushed aside or absorbed the many different kinds of Finn who were there first.

  364. Philip Owen says

    Medical care is definitely worse in Russia. There is a shortage of oxygen for the level of cases below the worst. (This has also been the case in New York. It is system design not economics).

  365. Blinky Bill says

    Y-chromosome haplogroup distribution in Chinese ethnic groups

    O C R1a R1b R2 E1b G H I1 I2 J1 J2 L N Q T Total N
    Han 258 12 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 1 7 9 2 300
    Hui 24 7 21 1 9 1 3 1 1 4 1 11 1 3 14 4 106
    Tibetan 49 11 18 1 1 3 3 3 3 7 1 100

  366. Morton's toes says

    He could have been describing Karlin’s cryptocurrency schemes. : )

    Young Rumsfield was about 30X sharper than old Rumsfield. His brain powers fell off a damn cliff.

  367. Thanks for invoking this fact.

    Little Russian in Kuban is no Surprise considering some of the settlers send there. Anyhow those examples just show that “Little Russian” i.e. what we would nowadays term Ukrainian was one of the languages / dialects of the Russian Empire. Hardly anything that belongs exclusively to the ‘real Ukrainian patriots’ of the Lvovian-Galician sort who are a rather recent addition to the Ukraine. Being brought in by Stalin with the territory taken (the Poles lost some places dear to their hearts but got rid of that mob) they still have the nerve to set the tone of what it means to be an Ukrainian patriot and cause all sorts of trouble in the process.

  368. n_crit and Rt you do O2c or stay with O2b

    Well you had to account for local conditions. For example, if you were in Russia, you would need to write in front of that “if [not (public needs to be released to vote on “constitutional amendment” to zero Putin’s terms)] then ”

    proceed with O3 as soon as vaccines become available

    And in most cases of 2021, needed much more strict lockdown during the vaccination process itself.

    start vaccinations with the most vulnerable and with the potential super spreaders.

    This would be somekind of mysterious hi-tech alien reasoning for authorities in Russia.

    I discussed it in this post in December:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/soviet-corona/#comment-4373311 It could be understood immediately how incomprehensibly stupid the vaccine rollout in Russia was from this story Melanf posted there.

  369. China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms says

    Tibetans should also have y-haplo D, along with Jomon and Ainu
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_East_Asians#Genetic_history_of_Tibetans

    Emissary of Tibetan Empire at Tang Taizong’s court

    https://imgur.com/a/MgFs0Gh

  370. RF and UK have roughly similar daily infection numbers

    Your problem was comparing medical data from UK and “medical data” from Russia: medical data from UK might be comprehensible to epidemiologists; “medical data” from Russia might be comprehensible to forensic accountants.

  371. AnonfromTN says

    Your problem was comparing medical data from UK and “medical data” from Russia

    I would not bet my money on UK stats being more trustworthy than Russian. I’ve read the Guardian for some years and found that the fraction of blatant lies there was consistently higher than in Soviet Pravda in the 1970s and 1980s.

    As far as covid goes, having read NYT stories last year I asked my former grad student who lives and works in NY and my undergrad whose family lives in NY how things are. Both said that the reality has nothing to do with what NYT describes. I expected that, as virtually all foreign policy stories published in NYT in the last 15-20 years are either lies or blatant lies.

    I’d say that in terms of trustworthiness, all MSM are below used car salesmen, while Western MSM are at the bottom of this heap of liars.

  372. built a huge Jewish cultural center in Dnepropetrovsk

    This was maybe the only nice thing that Kolomoisky has reportedly done – to support Jewish kids of his hometown. Less nice things he does, including moving most of the rest of the money out of Ukraine.

    It’s like when 50 Cent’s G-Unit Foundation had used profits from the $100 million “vitaminwater” exit, to give free Turkeys to the public in Jamaica Queens.

    50 Cent ensured that everyone in Queens was eating Turkeys for thanksgiving.

    Kolomoisky pays so that his hometown youth can learn to throw chickens over their head. ( Literally throwing the chicken around the head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uEJ_2d5M2o. By comparison, 50 Cent was only giving away frozen Turkey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H6GGDfBbCw. )

    There is a more interesting side of the story, which is that Dnepropetrovsk Jewish centre was previously funded by Gennady Timchenko, who is a central node of the ruling clique in Moscow.

    Before 2014, Kolomoisky was a close partner of the Russian government cliques, and this what the jointly funding of construction Dnepropetrovsk Jewish centre indicates to me. Kolomoisky has particularly angered them in 2014, when he betrayed them, and that’s why he is such central figure in anti-Ukraine propaganda – because he was previously closely related financially to this group, rather than the Ukrainian patriot he later tried to portray himself as.

  373. You are lying by labeling the “train of friendship” the Junta sent to Crimea as peaceful. They were sent to punish and represss Crimean people. As they were cowards, they were too afraid to confront little green men. Little green men saved Crimeans from the Svido hatred.

  374. Mr. Hack says

    You are lying about the danger that the Russian population in Crimea was facing in 2014. We saw what happened in Odessa – the unpunished massacre of the Russian speakers – and the willingness if Kiev to bomb Donbas.

    One little problem with your hypothesis, you got the timeline all messed up. The Odessa travesty and the war in Donbas occurred after (not before, as you’re insinuating) the invasion of Crimea. A small detail that probably doesn’t matter to a hotheaded Russophile like you*! 🙂

    *”Russia good/Ukraine bad” types

  375. Mr. Hack says

    Show me anywhere at all that I’ve defended or even mentioned the “train of friendship” that you’ve brought up – I’ve never even heard of this before. Keep looking for more straws to pull out of your ass! 🙂

  376. sudden death says

    Leaving aside probable deliberate statistical data fudging, there also might be real unwillingness of the people to go testing with mild symptoms until the moment when they are starting to feel really bad, cause that what is happening now in RF is truly black swan event, when all living ordinary people have no any similar personal experience – it is middle of hot summer, but relatively significant numbers are dropping dead from “nothingburger virus”, so it kinda should feel absurd&improbable situation for a majority share of modern day population.

  377. UK is ruled by one of the greatest idiots in the history of world politics. The story with buses in London will be a study in failure for generations of future history textbook writers . https://www.mylondon.news/news/news-opinion/boris-johnsons-routemaster-london-bus-17025921

    “Not only did this make the buses less environmentally friendly, or in the case of the diesel only engines, they emitted 74 per cent more harmful particles than the old diesel buses they replaced.”

    “The air conditioning is so ineffectual that temperatures regularly exceed 30C in summer, while the windows on the bus are so small they do not allow for any ventilation.”

    Boris Johnson has also managed to spend £53m of London peoples’ money, to construct a bridge which was never built. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-47228698

    Incompetent decisions from the historically unprecedented clown ruling the UK during pandemic has likely contributed to thousands of extra deaths; but overall quality of healthcare, national organization and state capacity in the UK, is like a different dimension from Russia. Some of the hospitals in the UK are like being in futuristic spaceship, while in Russia more like a 19th century prison.

  378. Remember when a Svido said about the Crimean people “Promise them everything. We will hang them later.” That is one of the causes of the referendum. The pathological hatred of the people of western Ukraine towards those of eastern Ukraine

    Those words were spoken by Boris Filatov, an ethnic Russian from Dnipropetrovsk. Not a Western Ukrainian.

    Try to be more honest, I know it’s hard for you.

    The pathological hatred of the people of western Ukraine towards those of eastern Ukraine is constantly manifested in their proclamations. Your messages and those from AP are representative of that.

    Projection. Pathological hatred is all yours. Calling Mr. Hack a liar is another projection. We see about your relationship to the truth, above. It’s a symptom of Sovok sympathy.

  379. It’s diagnostic how pro-Soviet sympathy (which goes hand in hand with pro-DNR sentiment, and anti-Ukrainian and anti-Polish sentiment) ties with dishonesty.

  380. Mr. Hack says

    Rusins from what was eastern Poland or southern Gran Dutchy, Kozaks from no-man’s land next to Tatar Khanate, peasants from southern Russia with little ethno-national identification (beyond ‘local’ or ‘Orthodox’ or simply ‘Christian’) etc. were all lumped together as Ukrainians.

    You mean all of these folks who got together in Kyiv, from both Western and Eastern Ukraine, before the Bolsheviks took control of Ukraine, celebrating the proclamation of one large Ukrainian state. They look rather satisfied with their choice to me:

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/3/d/3dd7fbd-2.jpg

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/b/a/bad559b-45.jpg

    January 22, 1919, Kyiv Ukraine(a picture is worth 1,000 words! 🙂

  381. The Odessa travesty and the war in Donbas occurred after (not before, as you’re insinuating) the invasion of Crimea.

    Off course they happened later. And these events demonstrated, beyond doubts, that intentions of Svidos against Crimeans were far from peaceful. So, the decision to send the little green men to Crimea in order to deter Svidos was correct because they saved people from bloodshed.
    Anyway ,the Crimean people is free and safe from Svidos hatred now. Happy end.

  382. It’s a symptom of Sovok sympathy.

    I don’t’ care about Sovok mentality. I think the decision to send little green men to Crimea was correct because this deterred the Svidos to fulfill the carnage they openly wished. Later events in Donbas proved that sending little green men was right. It saved not only Crimeans lives. It also saved Svidos ones because Crimeans started to form militias to defend themselves from the Svido aggression.

  383. AnonfromTN says

    Some of the hospitals in the UK are like being in futuristic spaceship, while in Russia more like a 19th century prison.

    Sorry, this does not jibe with my experience. Our University classmate lived in the UK for 30+ years, and what she described about British healthcare was very depressing. She went to Russia to fix her teeth, saving years of waiting and thousands of pounds.

    My wife broke one hand in Nashville. It was set right at Vanderbilt at the price of several thousand $ (with great by American standards health insurance). What really struck me is that when you come to the ER (I drove her there with broken hand), the first question they ask is not what ails you, but what’s your insurance and how you are going to pay the rest. They discovered that her hand was broken when she could not sign a form. My nephew cut the skin on his forehead in Nashville. He got 4 stitches in the same ER, at the price exceeding $4,000. My wife broke another hand in Penza. It was set at the local ER, and when it was examined at Vanderbilt later, the physician found nothing wrong with the way it was set. She was not charged a penny in Penza.

    I know a lot of other examples showing that health care in the US could not care less about your health, it’s an extortion racket.

  384. AnonfromTN says

    There is no arguing that BoJo is an idiot. But hardly the greatest, he has stiff completion. Trump was a narcissistic moron, Biden is a corrupt moron with severe Alzheimer’s, Ukrainian clown is a pathetically inept moron, etc. That’s why Putin and Xi with perfectly ordinary intelligence often look like geniuses.

  385. Agree. Thanks. This was interesting from melanf:

    In St. Petersburg, polyclinics throughout the city are now vaccinating everyone against coronavirus. For incomprehensible reasons, this is done in secret – the official media are silent, but the opposition media got to the truth.

    Perhaps they needed an initial period so people in priority lists got it first where however the priority was not epidemic wise (the oldest and nurses…) but by political influence, so say a wife of vice director of department X or an important actor of theater Y do not suffer inconvenience of having to wait for vaccine or directors of clinics had opportunity to call all their friends and influential acquaintances to offer them vaccine.

    BTW, did you know that in late December Russia got several plain loads of vaccine from S. Korea? All targets of vaccine production announced in the fall had to be revised downwards by January 2021.

  386. For example, when I was 18 years old, I decided to visit inside the hospital where I was born. Perhaps I expected some kind of philosophical experience or memory, which of course was not received.

    But I did walk around its welcome room for 5 minutes, and go to the toilet. And it was a really unclean place, and like a 19th century prison. So here is a random sample of a hospital, that was chosen for me by for some cosmic reason, to be the first place in our planet I would ever see with my eyes. And the wallpaper and plaster on the walls was falling off.

    After that I felt quite happy; saying to myself I can quote Tupac ( “I came from the gutter”). But that is how I felt as a stupid teenager, who never worries about their future.

    If I was a pensioner with health problems, or someone going to the operating theatre – I would be pessimistic about my outcomes from such a healthservice, and expecting the surgeon to use a rusting knife.

    • By comparison, I have visited a hospital in the UK – it looks like something in video below. Perhaps not a representative sample, but it’s what I have seen with my eyes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sm4fmWWrWY.

    the first question they ask is not what ails you, but what’s your insurance and how you are going to pay the rest.

    Surely, this is one of the several reasons America is difficult to consider a fully developed country. Another one is the education cost and the public transport problems.

    I think most people agree that in the 21st century, a civilized country needs to provide advanced healthcare to all citizens, as well as practical and lowcost public transport system, and a high quality of free education.

  387. several plain loads of vaccine from S. Korea

    Yes I some remember photos posted of the shipment arriving.

    Vaccines are also being still exported. At least numbers are being exported by quite small seeming numbers (and countries like Guatemala are now threatening refunds, due to the lack of shipments arriving).

    24 июня 2021 года в Египет прибыла первая партия вакцины «Спутник V». Самолет «Боинг 737-8ME(WL)» номер VP-BSQ авиакомпании «Северный ветер (Nordwind Airlines)», рейс N4239 / NWS239 из Калининграда, приземлился в Каирском международном аэропорту на рассвете, в 04:03 по местному времени (в 05:03 мск, в 02:03 utc), и доставил 210.000 доз вакцины «Спутник V». Груз встречало Египетское управление по объединённым поставкам, стандартизации и медицинским закупкам.

    В течение месяца ожидается поставка следующей партии. В рамках контракта подписанного в мае 2021 года, до конца года Египет получит 20 млн доз вакцины «Спутник V».

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/141432/

  388. I don’t’ care about Sovok mentality. I think the decision to send little green men to Crimea was correct because this deterred the Svidos to fulfill the carnage they openly wished

    Let’s not exaggerate. Areas of “Blue Ukraine” that did not experience Russian intervention, from Kharkiv to Odessa, did not experience mass death or carnage. The 42 dead in Odessa due to the fire that erupted between two armed and violent groups during the brawl (we can’t even be sure if it was caused by Ukrainian nationalists throwing Molotov cocktails into the building or by an accident from the stockpile within) in the context of a population of many millions is not mass carnage.

    Later events in Donbas proved that sending little green men was right. It saved not only Crimeans lives. It also saved Svidos ones

    So by sending the Russian army to formally annex Crimea, Russia prevented what would have happened if Russia had instead poured in weapons and volunteers to sustain a years-long guerilla war as in Donbas. Typical mafia logic.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have consistently stated it is good for Ukraine, for Crimea and Donbas to be gone. But let’s describe these processes accurately. I know, for some it’s hard.

  389. But Maidan happened first – then Crimea – then Odessa-Donbas. Were the people in Crimea supposed to sit back and wait until they get attacked and possibly massacred?

    I used the Kosovo precedent for a reason – after Kosovo and Nato bombing, if people feel threatened they have a right to choose their own way. The West said so, same rules apply to all. Or do you seriously want to argue that some can and others can’t? What kind of a legal system would that be? The whole concept of law is based on the same rules for everyone.

  390. So by sending the Russian army to formally annex Crimea, Russia prevented what would have happened if Russia had instead poured in weapons and volunteers to sustain a years-long guerilla war as in Donbas. Typical mafia logic.

    Putin is far too nice. If I were in his place, I would do what US does routinely – declare the place a national security threat and proceed to saturate it with napalm.

    Ukrainian politicians constantly state they are at war with Russia. That is all the justification Russia needs to start dropping Kalibr missiles into Lvov and use Kiev for ballistic missile target practice.

    US bombs countries a world away for far less of a transgression. And not just US. Poland illegally invaded Iraq not that long ago for some reason lol.

    Same deal here. Declare Ukraine a place of national interest, and that’s it – Russia needs no other explanation for anything it does there. Burn it to the ground or stage a coup, it’s all good. But again, Putin is too nice, oh well, Ukraine will have to learn the long way.

  391. Mr. Hack says

    You are lying about the danger that the Russian population in Crimea was facing in 2014. We saw what happened in Odessa – the unpunished massacre of the Russian speakers – and the willingness if Kiev to bomb Donbas. There were very strong grounds for the Russians in Crimea to fear Kiev. That is enough by Western rules to declare independence or join another state where they feel safer.

    Not once, in comment#361 do you even mention the Maidan. You clearly point to incidence that occurred later, not before the invasion of Crimea by Russian military units. You state “we saw” and list several occurrences that were monitored by the Kyivan government that occured after the invasion. Therefore, in reality, there was little that the Crimeans needed to fear from the Central government in Kyiv. Your mistaken timeline was easy enough to make, for in reality all of the events that you mentioned all occurred during the first half of 2014. It’s interesting to see how you try and squirm your way out of your conclusion, based on a mistaken timeline.

    The invasion was nothing more that Putler’s payback for Ukrainians not supporting his plans for a Eurasian union. Most Crimeans probably did support the anschluss and had legitimate grievances against the Kyivan government that had nothing to do with what happened later in Odessa or in Donbas.

  392. Mr. Hack says

    Your wife broke two hands, on two sparate occasions? What’s the matter, did she miss your chops and hit the wall instead?

    Twice?? 🙁

  393. AnonfromTN says

    It’s diagnostic how pro-Soviet sympathy (which goes hand in hand with pro-DNR sentiment, and anti-Ukrainian and anti-Polish sentiment) ties with dishonesty.

    Typical svido BS. My position (anti current Ukie government) has one simple root: massive war crimes committed by Ukie army in Donbass. The bastards bombed the square in Lugansk where young mothers used to walk their kids, killing and maiming quite a few women and children. The bastards bombed the school I used to go to. The bastards shelled the library where I used to borrow books when I was in school. The bastards shelled residential area where my mother lived, and the explosion of their shell shattered windows in her apartment. The bastards’ snipers and drone operators keep killing Donbass civilians. My views are simple: criminals must be punished. That includes scum who is giving criminal orders to the army.

  394. Putin is far too nice. If I were in his place, I would do what US does routinely – declare the place a national security threat and proceed to saturate it with napalm.

    Thanks for confessing that you find pleasure in mass deaths of Slavs.

    So much of this “ebil Ukrainians massacring people” by pro-Sovoks is just projection. Eagerness to murder, lying (see Aedib’s posts), I’m surprised you didn’t mention prostitution, another favorite theme of pro-Sovoks. Soviets have truly caused massive damage to peoples’ souls that has long outlived the Soviet system itself.

  395. How did you manage to get such awful insurance? Don’t you work for a university? Your experiences are those of an uninsured person.

    Your description of British healthcare is sadly accurate though, from what I’ve heard.

  396. My wife broke one hand in Nashville. It was set right at Vanderbilt at the price of several thousand $ (with great by American standards health insurance).

    According to University of Tennessee health insurance:

    https://www.bcbst.com/docs/members/tn_state/tn-state-2021-member-handbook.pdf

    Cost of ER visit is $150 for a “premier” PPO plan and $175 for a “standard” PPO plan.

  397. A young man I know is majoring in, basically, coaching. He was telling me once about some techniques he was taught for correcting athletes in a less harsh way than by using a nuclear bomb verbal attack. After all, the team was like a family.

  398. Thanks for confessing that you find pleasure in mass deaths of Slavs.

    It’s not really about pleasure. At some point, Russia and Ukraine will need to take stock of their relationship and see where it’s going. If it’s negative, Ukrainians will be used as cannon fodder in the upcoming war against Russia anyway.

    So your choice is Kalibrs on Lvov today, or nukes on Lvov about 10 years from now. Lvov will host a major NATO forward base by then, so it will be inevitable.

  399. But you are aware of Maidan in February 2014, are you? Sorry I didn’t mention it, but I thought you knew. Try to google it. My bad, I assumed that you heard about it.

    You asked us to tell you where you lied and I gave you two examples. As we can see a lies can only be based on a common understanding. For you, Crimeans fearing what would happen to them after Maidan is a made-up fear – for them, it was real. For you it was illegal, for them after what Nato did in Kosovo it was right.

    Your lies are based on your stubborn refusal to accept the other side’s point of view. E.g. you refuse to address the Kosovo situation: if Kosovo was right so had to be Crimea – there is simply no way around it. Those who deny it are lying. Or possibly are too stupid to do basic math and logic. Your choice, I think you are smart enough, thus my assessment that you are a lier.

  400. Fairly sure that’s the price for just showing up, not for the work.

    We had some tests done in ER for pregnancy, it was $15,000 for 4 hours. Insurance paid bulk of course, but in Russia I bet those tests wouldn’t be much more than $150.

    And of course insurance is not a charity – it costs over $21,000 per year for a family, it’s just most of it is hidden by employer payments.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2020/10/08/us-family-health-insurance-premiums-surpass-21000/5928933002/

    I don’t know about UK healthcare, but on a cost/benefit ratio Russian healthcare is vastly better than US. It does inflate US GDP though, massively – $4 trillion USD on a $21 trillion total, very impressive looking number. The more sick people go bankrupt, the higher the GDP because doctors and bankruptcy lawyers benefit.

  401. Mr. Hack says

    You asked us to tell you where you lied and I gave you two examples.

    You can’t assign any lies to me based on some sort of collective memory of yours based on a dimwitted assessment concerning “common understanding”. That’s total BS in any normal world. What I did was put into question your own assessment of Crimeans’ supposed fears based on events that occurred after the Crimean anschluss took place. This is not lying in any sense of the word, but only showing up the ridiculousness of your claims. If the events that you brought up had occured before the anschluss
    took place, your stance would make more sense As it is….

    BTW, if you’re going to be foolish enough to call me a liar, at least learn how to spell the word correctly, it’s liar not lier. 🙂

  402. Yellowface Anon says

    Arguing for or against the ethnical/national identity of Ukrainians (“Little Russians”) is one thing and geopolitical & cultural orientations of the nation is another.

    There are lots of positions between total Svidomy & total denial of “Little Russian” ethnicity.

  403. Yellowface Anon says

    Do you have video evidence a la Wuhan Jan-Feb 2020 or comparison of hospital capacity usage, total deaths across 5-10 years up to now, to substantiate ‘relatively significant numbers are dropping dead from “nothingburger virus”’? Or else you’re a fearmonger.

  404. Was it Ataman Krasnov who said Russia is no more? Anyway it was more or less what has happened: the Russian empire de facto was no more with various places declaring independence and grabbing as much territory and population as they could or just claiming it. In the historical context and under the circumstances it was a logical thing to do. Context and circumstances do matter. This does not in any way invalidate what I wrote

    In addition I try to avoid trolling but since you display photographs – I suppose you are aware of photos of Ukrainian peasants showing enthusiasm for collectivization?

  405. Yellowface Anon says

    Have you read Dugin’s newest articles on liberalism 2.0?

  406. Mr. Hack says

    Are you trying to make a comparison between fake and staged photos of peasants welcoming collectivization and the events that took place on January 22, 1919 in Kyiv? Well, here’s a couple more that you can look at too:

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/d/9/d9c0705-48.jpg

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/5/3/53a63ff-10.jpg
    This one is actually taken on November 7, 2017 after the proclamation of sovereignty of the Ukrainian National Republic.

  407. Yellowface Anon says

    Objective 1: Zero virus importation strategy – travel bans, strict quarantine for new arrivals

    Objective 2: Fastest path to reduction of Rt to less than 1

    (2a) universal masking (issues of good/bad masks, compliance, etc.)

    (2b) contact tracing with strict quarantine for potential carriers (this will be effective if number of new daily infections n is less than the critical threshold n_crit of contact tracing system ability, which depends on Rt)

    (2c) local lockdowns (when critical threshold of contact tracing system ability is crossed: n>n_crit, Rt significantly higher than 1)

    Objective 3: Herd immunity via vaccination

    Has O1 been enacted for previous pandemics such as the Spanish Flu, Asian Flu, Hong Kong Flu and 2008-09 Swine Flu? Total border shutdowns have some merit as a short-term “kneejerk” measure before the lethality of COVID is well-known, say for the initial 3-6 months. But as a regularized measure, not so much; I tend to see this as more mundane policies of controlling population movements across borders, to prevent large-scale “voting with the feet” for whatever Great Reset policy plans are to be enacted.

    O2a runs into the issue of the extent of universal masking’s effectiveness in preventing aerosol and droplet transmission. It is mostly effective for the latter but not the former. Partial masking is fine, but by now this is more important as a conformist status symbol and tool of mass psychology than making any epidemiological sense.

    O2b has a definition problem of “potential” “carriers”: what “potential”, as in 99% of the population that hasn’t been PCR-tested? Generally healthy asymptomatic “cases” with decent risk of transmission but generally only leading to more mild and asymptomatic “cases” (that could have been stuffed by loose PCR tests?) You can easily argue for medium-term lockdowns and a system of surveillance for “potential carriers” that can be defined arbitrarily.

    O2c: no comment (it’s mostly the same as O2c but more localized)

    O3: Herd immunity is possible with both natural immunity and vaccination. It’s not like you’ll have a high enough chance of dropping dead if you have a functioning immune system, given a IFR of 0.3-0.5% (even assuming your terminal chance of getting COVID approaches 1). This at most justifies a vaccination program like annual flu vaccines, not mandates or segregation of the unvaccinated. (The nature of the vaccines is not relevant here).

    I hope you’ll read the Great Barrington Declaration and seriously consider their approaches. There is never pure epidemiology, but one that has been conditioned by ideological, social, economic and political concerns.

    It’s a sad thing to see radical proposals at disease prevention becoming the international norm, and heartbreaking when much of those measures are enacted for ultimately political and economic purposes.

  408. What I was trying at was a self-admitted attempt at trolling. But it can also stimulate some critical thinking about context, circumstances etc. when a photos was taken and the event it documents.

    As for the photos themselves these images of a seemingly large (top) to mid-sized (bottom) crowd, composed in no small part of military men (particularly the bottom one) do not in any way invalidate the points I made.

  409. Coconuts says

    No I haven’t, do you have a link where I can see them? This is an interesting subject.

  410. Yellowface Anon says

    You can find those at English katehon.com where many articles from Dugin have been translated.

  411. sudden death says

    Even according to the official RF data, which, to put it mildly, is usually massaged to show the lower possible spectrum of reality, there is as much as daily deaths from “nothingburger cold” in the middle of a summer as it was in the middle of the winter, which is the usual season of viral respiratory infections.

    There was no total hospital system collapse in the winter, so there should not be such thing now too, but your video and stats requests, just confirms my point about it as having no personal experience reference point for majority of population, therefore being mentally acquired as absurd&improbable situation, so the usual reaction is denial.

  412. And of course insurance is not a charity – it costs over $21,000 per year for a family, it’s just most of it is hidden by employer payments.

    Yes, and it Canada or Europe this is is covered by much-higher taxes. The care is still worse there, though.

    I don’t know about UK healthcare, but on a cost/benefit ratio Russian healthcare is vastly better than US.

    This is probably true, but healthcare in Russia is still worse. I’ve heard horror stories.

  413. that entire “verbal nuclear bomb” approach is a result of the boomer’s hyper-aggressive methods of the 70s and 80s (remember how violent sports were back then?)

  414. Bashibuzuk says

    Technological progress is not human progress, humans are not technology. The past was not better, but it closer to the human nature.

  415. Yellowface Anon says

    To the contrary – do you have definite proof the data (and those all over the world) isn’t massaged to bolster the number thru the use of loose PCR tests? Those deaths can easily be old deaths or otherwise that is close to their life expectancy.

    There was no total hospital system collapse in the winter, so there should not be such thing now too

    The initial justification for lockdowns is to slow the spread in order not to overwhelm hospital capacity. It’s now (or that of lingering restrictions) minimizing transmission at all cost.

    as having no personal experience reference point for majority of population, therefore being mentally acquired as absurd&improbable situation, so the usual reaction is denial.

    This pandemic is special – you need to be tested to know you have COVID (otherwise little differentiated from regular pneumonia in even symptomatic cases), and you need all those pandemic theater to be reminded there’s a pandemic going.

    There should have been mass graves and bodies piling up somewhere!

    (In Hong Kong only symbolic gestures to reduce restrictions are done after 40+ days of no COVID – to be “vigilant of foreign mutant strains” and to “massively encourage vaccination”. This is where we’re all heading to, without revolutions)

  416. Bashibuzuk says

    There is a more interesting side of the story, which is that Dnepropetrovsk Jewish centre was previously funded by Gennady Timchenko, who is a central node of the ruling clique in Moscow.

    That’s what I am writing about: they’re all interconnected and their wars and coups are just gangster turf wars for power and profit. While the poor folks get killed and maimed the rich move money. Nothing new. А патриотизм для лохов.

  417. Triteleia Laxa says

    Technological progress is not human progress, humans are not technology

    The technology we use is just one part of progress; which, using abstract analysis, we choose to separate into its own category.

    We might also say that there are social technologies, spiritual technologies and so on, in order to appreciate the greater truth.

    That greater truth is that more people have more ability to pursue, no matter how haphazardly, whatever it is that they are impelled to pursue, than ever before.

    The past was not better, but it closer to the human nature.

    Nature is just what is. Your image of “nature” only exists in your strenuous thinking.

  418. Bashibuzuk says

    Modeen Mongolian population is still 10% Western Eurasian adnixed might have been more in Genghis Khan times. Anyway, we spent too much time arguing about self-evident things.

  419. Well, after the Maidan putsch, the fracture (predicted long time ago by Samuel Huntigton) was inavoidable. It would had started some kilometers more to the east or more to the west but it would have inevitably happened because of the desire of the Madanuts to repress the East population and impose a forced “Ukrainazation”. Putin decided to save Crimeans with the litle green men and let the uprising in Donbass to go more or less spontaneous. It chosed a minimalist approach because if he would have decided to go bold, he would have pushed the fracture line to the oblasts that you cited. In the end, Crimeans were saved and are free now. It was the correct desicion because Svidos tried to (1) cut power; (2) block water supply; and (3) impose an food embargo. While these punishemts failed, they demostrated beyound doubts that Svido “friendship” (i.e. repressions and probably mass killings) toward Crimeans would have been inavoidable. The Russian intervention saved Crimeans from this, and that is not accepted by Mr. Hack.

  420. AnonFromTN says

    I am actually myself a tribal nationalist

    You don’t need to be a tribal nationalist to wish your people and country success and prosperity. Tribalism only clouds your judgement and pushes it down to primeval level. Numerous examples (including Germany after 1933 Hitler takeover and Ukraine after 2014 coup) show that policies based on tribal nationalism can ruin any country. I am not a big fan of Putin, but the fact that he studiously avoids tribalist trap is a huge positive in my view.

  421. AnonFromTN says

    Tell you what, if you sincerely believe out-of-pocket maxima listed in American health insurance plans, I have a bridge to sell you. In terms of greed and propensity to lie, the US health insurance companies can easily compete with banks and religious organizations.

  422. AnonFromTN says

    There are lots of positions between total Svidomy & total denial of “Little Russian” ethnicity.

    Yep, and both extremes are equally nonsensical.

  423. Bashibuzuk says

    Your image of “nature” only exists in your strenuous thinking.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Yogachara

    Yawn…

  424. In fact Mr. Karlin was in the line before the line was even formed.

    I wonder what motivates you to keep commenting on the blog of someone you evidently regard with a seething hatred. Is it some kind of masochism?

    Anyhow, Sputnik testing was only open to <45's (IIRC) who passed the health screening, so the entire dunk on me is moot. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/sputnik-v/

  425. Mr. Hack says

    Wow…so many people trying to read my mind about my opinion about the invasion of Crimea. Such elaborate theories too? It’s really much simpler than what’s been attributed to my thought process. I’ve already revealed part of my thought process above in comment #401, I even underscored it by bolding it darker:

    Most Crimeans probably did support the anschluss and had legitimate grievances against the Kyivan government that had nothing to do with what happened later in Odessa or in Donbas.

    The other part of my thought process about this is that it was wrong because of the manner in which it was conducted. You shouldn’t be able to just march into your neighbor’s backyard and steal territory, as was done in Crimea. Since the end of WWII, there have been serious attempts to curb this type of behavior that were practiced in Hitler’s Germany. If the US was guilty of supporting this sort of activity in the former Yugoslavia, then it was wrong too. Two wrongs don’t make a right

  426. Triteleia Laxa says

    You’re welcome to lie to yourself. It isn’t my problem.

  427. songbird says

    I wonder if it is true that the Japanese have the most sophisticated categorization of demons and spirits anywhere in the world, and what explains it? Shintoism? Nationalism? The later arrival of Buddhism? The mountains and forests? Or something else? Is it an historical index of development, of literacy? Could one of been more bullish on Japan than China, just by knowing about its ghosts, 200 years ago? Or are they really Chinese in origin and downplayed by atheistic communism?

  428. songbird says

    Someone should write a book in response to Kaufmann called “Blackshift.” About the population explosion in Africa. The results of Bantu migration within Africa, within America, as well as within European countries. About how Africans always lobby for more Africans. And how many whites are susceptible to negrophilia. Pictures of decay.

    And, finally, about the technical possibilities about moving them back to Africa. Its massive potential benefits. And the benefits of exiling negropholiacs to the darkest heart of that place.

  429. Yellowface Anon says

    The mountains and forests, and the animism therein.

  430. Mr. Hack says

    As for the photos themselves these images of a seemingly large (top) to mid-sized (bottom) crowd, composed in no small part of military men (particularly the bottom one) do not in any way invalidate the points I made.

    You don’t seem to realize that nowhere have I tried to invalidate the points that you were trying to make about the process of Ukrainianization that was occuring (although there’s a lot more to it than your simple concepts about it), indeed, I was only trying to add credence to your thought process. 🙂

    Don’t you think that it was quite impressive that the “Rusins and Kozaks” that you mention were able to coalesce and form such large crowds to support the Ukrainian cause during the revolutionary war period? Here one can clearly see that the Ukrainian national movement had crystalized into a masive movement in the capital Kyiv, comprised of many people from eastern and western Ukraine, from all walks of life, without any Bolshevik inspiration as is so often alluded to by people of your ilk and imagination. BTW, the impressive crowds of military personnel were comprised of volunteers – these were folks that were willing to shed their blood for what they believed in. But to show you that there were plenty of non military personnel present too, here are two more photos to assuage your fears:

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/e/c/ec473c8-52.jpg

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/c/b/cb58390-47.jpg

  431. Lolbertarian? Why don’t you move to Grafton, NH. Not that far from Great Barrington, MA.

    A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear: The Utopian Plot to Liberate an American Town (and Some Bears)
    https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project

  432. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Zluky

    According to the treaty Galicia would become an autonomous part of Ukraine.

    Ironic that the noted event is honored in post-Soviet Ukraine, whose government doesn’t honor the Minsk Protocol it signed, regarding autonomy for Donetsk and Lugansk.

  433. You are still missing the point. It doesn’t matter what the USA did in Kosovo. What matters is that Crimean people felt threatened by the new Ukrainian regime. Consequently, what you call “invaders” were considered by Crimean people as liberators. And, the referendum to return to Russia was a consequence of the putsch in Kiev. Later, as the new Ukrainian regime (1) cut power to Crimea; (2) blocked the water supply; and (3) imposed an food embargo; demonstrated that the fears of Crimeans were well grounded and that go back to the Motherland was the correct decision. The little green men just allowed the return by deterring Svidos to perpetrate their ill hidden wishes to attack ethnic Russians.

  434. I suppose I should acknowledge that you are not in denial re the points I made – thanks.

    As I have already written under the circumstances present declaring independence with taking as much as possible of territory and population or at least claiming it was arguably a sensible option. That mid-sized to large crowds could be mobilized in Kiev demonstrates it was seen by many there as such.

    If you want to have the last word – as I sign of courtesy (you earned it by not being an a-hole) I will let you have by not responding should you respond to this comment of mine.

  435. There’re photos and personal accounts of the Whites being happily greeted en masse in Kharkov and Kiev – the latter included a peacefully good exchange between the Whites and Galician Ukrainian Army – the latter which shouldn’t be confused with the svido mindset of present day OUN/UPA enthusiasts.

  436. The other part of my thought process about this is that it was wrong because of the manner in which it was conducted. You shouldn’t be able to just march into your neighbor’s backyard and steal territory, as was done in Crimea. Since the end of WWII, there have been serious attempts to curb this type of behavior that were practiced in Hitler’s Germany. If the US was guilty of supporting this sort of activity in the former Yugoslavia, then it was wrong too. Two wrongs don’t make a right

    The two wrongs don’t make a right saying is half baked. A more complete overview being two wrongs don’t make a right, with hypocrisy not being a virtue as well.

    You bet the US and others supported such regarding Kosovo and its relationship with Serbia. There’s also the matter of Turkey marching into northern Cyprus and creating a pro-Turkish puppet state.

    The politically incorrect reality is that might still makes right.

  437. Putin holds up Israel as a model of unity for Ukrainians and Russians
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-holds-up-israel-as-a-model-of-unity-for-ukrainians-and-russians/

  438. Mr. Hack says

    Can you point to any outright threats or intimiations made from Kyiv to Crimea before the anschluss?

  439. Mr. Hack says

    It’s easy for a Russian to state: “Ukrainians and Russians “are generally one people.”, when the Russian has always been the one that held a large club over the head of the Ukrainian.

    How’s that great model of unity working out for the Palestinians in Israel? Who’s wielding the big club in that neighborhood?

  440. Mr. Hack says

    Although I don’t doubt that there were small time soirees between the Whites and Galicians, you can’t really be trying to compare the outpouring of support for the Ukrainian national movement during this general timeframe and a few shared “na zdorovies” between soldiers of different camps?

  441. songbird says

    Just as a passive observer, it seems notable how often mountains feature in Japanese movies. From the scenic, like “Hidden Fortress” to the prosaic road with a retaining wall that one often sees in anime movies. I guess it would give one a sense of their environment, even knowing nothing about geography. Possibly, it effects their psychology in other ways.

  442. AnonFromTN says

    Crimeans returning from anti-Maidan in Kiev in buses were repeatedly attacked and shot at in the first days after 2014 coup (e.g., https://news-front.info/2017/02/20/kak-ekstremisty-ubivali-krymchan-antimajdanovtsev/ and many other sites).

  443. AnonFromTN says

    It’s easy for a Russian to state: “Ukrainians and Russians “are generally one people.”, when the Russian has always been the one that held a large club over the head of the Ukrainian.

    The “achievements” of independent Ukraine since 1991 clearly showed what Russians were responsible for and what Ukraine residents can do w/o Russia. How come the removal of the “big club” resulted in multi-faceted collapse of everything, including the population?

  444. Korenchkin says

    Ukraine finna become an integral member of EVROPEAN VNION and NATO any second now and filthy Russo-Sino-Tatars will be btfo

    1. I already mentioned “Promise then all. We will hang them later”. You can say that this doesn´t matter because the death threat was performed by an ethnic Russian. That’s irrelevant and in addition shows that svidomism is a disease that can infect also ethnic Russian and no just ethnic Ukrainians.
    2. The inciment noted by AnonFromTN in message 452.
    3. After the putsch succeeded “our man” Yats ran to Brussels “to discuss the problem of Russian presence in Crimea” with NATO officers.
    4. Open claims by Maidan mob to kill Russians.
      Crimeans would have been really dumb to ignore all those threatening signals. Fortunately they decided to react in order to free themselves from the new Ukrainian regime.
  445. AltanBakshi says

    Modeen Mongolian population is still 10% Western Eurasian adnixed might have been more in Genghis Khan times

    Well if we are logical, then its much more likely that western eurasian admixture came later when Mongols established their empire and moved different peoples and brides from far corners of earth to Mongolia. One good example is Alans, Mongols brought tens of thousands of Alans to Mongolia and even today there are Mongol clans who trace their heritage from the Alan bodyguard of the great Khans. Alans of those times were probably fairer and Slav like than Alans of today, for later Muslim Turks drove them out of the steppes deep into Caucasus mountains, which probably led to mixing. Btw Beckow, Circassians are very different looking from Georgians, their women are fairer and taller.

    Is it not logical? Mongols were not as mobile, nor their lands had as many visitors than during their expansive period, multicultural circumstances and mixing of different nationalities are more common in imperial states, than tribes living on a small area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asud

    Sorry if my English is bad now, Im little tipsy again and I should not write, I am sorry if I have sounded insulting, personally I think Bashi that you are a very good man, interesting fellow, a proper Russian man who likes to think out of the box solutions, or how I should say, which can be good sometimes, and sometimes not, but at least your theories are rarely boring, though I mostly disagree in politics with you and AP, and Mr. Hack, I think you all are very nice people. Well now I’ll take a 50 gram Laphroaig for the well being of all Rus, may all be happy!

    Btw Mr. Hack and AP, could there still be a solution for mending the relations and uniting Ukraine and Russia? What if new union state or Slavic federation would make Ukrainian second national language in all of the territory of united Belarus, Russia and Ukraine? As an example Swedish is second official language of Finland, and it’s by law guaranteed that Swedish speakers can get all of their services in a Swedish language, there are government funded Swedish schools, radio stations and even a tv channel, even though Swedes make just about 6% of population. In united new Rus State Ukrainians would make much higher proportion of people, why then not make Ukrainian official language of whole state, whole Russia? There could be even a campaign to make Ukrinian trendy language and cultural hobby among Russians, like do you want to learn a language that is closer of the language of Medieval Rus, folklorist clubs, Ukrainiam theaters and libraries in every major town of Russia. I think such solution would be good and acceptable even for many Ukrainian nationalists, also new Rus state would not be as centralised as USSR, but a union of states like EU, therefore Ukraine would still stay sovereign, but be economically integrated with Russia.

    Before my mind starts to wander too far away….
    Good Night Everybody!

  446. Blinky Bill says
  447. You leave out the previously mentioned Kharkov example, which exhibits a large scale enthusiastic support for the Whites.

  448. Mr. Hack says
  449. The two wrongs don’t make a right saying is half baked. A more complete overview being two wrongs don’t make a right, with hypocrisy not being a virtue as well.

    When people use the two wrongs or “that would be whataboutism” arguments they have already conceded that they are in the wrong. We can endlessly analyse the relative wrongness, but that overlooks the fact that people who break their own rules don’t have any right to tell others what is right and wrong – yes, it is hypocrisy. Double standards simply mean that they have no standards and that is where West finds itself today.

    The two wrongs saying applies to a single situation: I steal your bicycle and you in turn burn my shed – both wrong, but in the same situation. To apply it to Kosovo-Crimea doesn’t work: it is not the wrongness of the Western behaviour we are considering, it is the Kosovo precedent. The evasive Western sloganeering about it is indeed half-baked, it is a concession that they have no ground to stand on.

  450. AnonFromTN says

    Ukraine finna become an integral member of EVROPEAN VNION and NATO any second now and filthy Russo-Sino-Tatars will be btfo

    Sounds like angry sarcasm. To lighten the mood, here is a joke:
    – When is Ukraine going to join the EU?
    – Right after Turkey.
    – And when Turkey is going to join the EU?
    – Never.

  451. Mr. Hack says

    Pointing out and condemning two similar situations involving two different parties is an honest attempt to condemn both. If the precedent was wrong to begin with then anything following is also wrong, even in a different situation.

    For the sake of argument, let’s agree that dropping nuclear bombs on Japan to end the war was wrong to begin with. If we don’t, we open the pandora’s box of treating the use of nuclear weapons as a legitimate use of weaponry to settle conflicts.

  452. …Crimeans would have been really dumb to ignore all those threatening signals.

    We know for sure the following:
    – Without Maidan there would be no Crimea
    – If Crimea stayed inside Ukraine, Russian navy would be gone and Nato would be in Sebastopol sooner or later.

    Given that these realities were known ahead of Maidan, why would Obama and his merry band of cookie-monsters do this? It can be daring to overreach or to bluff, but it is idiocy to do it when the other side holds the cards. It makes one wonder about the intelligence – even sanity – of people who did this.

    West handed the strategic price of Crimea to Russia on a silver platter. They have been angry at themselves since then and they redirect that anger at Russia – it does nothing except add more damage. As if the decline was at this point unstoppable.

  453. John McAfee was the epitome of the basic Scots-Irish masculine personality. I have known many similar to him as regards a refusal to back down or knuckle under, a love of adventure, physicality, preference for dying with his boots on, etc. His IQ combined with those traits made him legendary, compared especially to the Bezos/Zuckerberg type of weasel.

  454. Blinky Bill says
  455. Mario Partisan says

    In honor of Mr. Rumsfeld, warmonger, failed geopolitical strategist and esteemed epistemologist, let us muse on Knowns and Unkowns.

    How many epistemologists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    I bet you had never asked yourself that question before; thus the answer was an Unknown Unknown. However, thanks to me, it is now a Known Unknown.

    What is clear is that no epistemologist worth his salt would ever bother with such a menial task; they probably have assistants for things like this. So is the answer zero? Or is it the null set? Does the answer even exist? Is the question even valid? (more Known Unknowns.) Whatever, no one has time for this kind of crap (Known Known).

    In all seriousness though, what about Unknown Knowns, i.e. things we don’t know that we actually know. For example, back in 2003, I was almost certain that Rumsfeld was full of shit, in fact, I knew he was, I just didn’t know that I knew. This category is the entire basis of the Socratic method, which is to help the student become consciously aware of what they subconsciously already know to be true. It’s also the basis for the idea of “sleeping on” something – letting your brain figure something out in the “background” rather than trying to force yourself to figure it out consciously. I think our brains do a lot of accurate“calculations” subconsciously without us being aware of the truths it is discovering. Are Unknown Knowns a bigger set than Known Knowns? (Known Unknown.)

  456. condemning two similar situations involving two different parties is an honest attempt to condemn both. If the precedent was wrong to begin with then anything following is also wrong

    Not if the party that did the original precedent is also the one trying to discard it. It doesn’t work that way. If the party was Brazil or China or any truly uninvolved party, you would have a point. But the very same people – US, UK, France – who established the precedent in Kosovo cannot walk away from it. Ukraine’s misfortune is that it has identified with that party – passionately and emotionally allied itself with the West. That means that the Kosovo precedent is something Kiev now owns and that is the reason they lost Crimea.

    Let’s not go esoteric by bringing in Hiroshima and stay closer to the ground. If it again comes to nukes I am sure we will have plenty of time to discuss it :)…

  457. Mr. Hack says

    After reading this account, and if it represented the overall feelings between Ukrainians and Russians, I can understand why their divorce was finalized. Still, I would have rather seen the divorce performed by a legitimate third party, but as they say, “we have what we have”. BTW, not all Russians that live in Crimea are pleased with the results. Many Russian businessmen complain that because Ukrainians, bye and large, avoid the Crimea for vacation purposes, their business receipts have fallen dramatically. On the plus side, some important infrastructure changes have been made, and new properties developed that were not made by the preceding Ukrainian government.

  458. Mr. Hack says

    Very seldom do states ever admit that they were or are ever wrong about anything. Right? Even old Putin doesn’t ever much condemn the Soviet Union, to which he once swore an oath to uphold. Why should he? He’s now managed to carve out a very wealthy position for himself as a new style “capitalist”

    Весь мир – театр. А мы застряли… в цирке?

    https://blogs.miamioh.edu/havighurst/files/2016/11/view000008_DENI-PC-3132_550px.jpg

  459. AnonFromTN says

    During WWII there was a medal “For the liberation of Crimea”. Russian joke is that Obama should have been awarded that medal.

  460. AnonFromTN says

    their business receipts have fallen dramatically

    That does not match my experience and things I’ve heard from many people. Those who rented dog kennels are unhappy: Russians avoid them, renting nicer (and more expensive) accommodations. However, despite active propaganda in rump Ukraine, there are still enough Ukrainians going to Crimea every summer to occupy all dog kennels. Restaurants and cafes, as well as the people who organize museum excursions are rejoicing: stingy Ukrainians tended to bring their own salo and horylka and never visited any museums. Those selling food, including fruits and veggies in the markets, saw their profits soar: in contrast to poor and stingy Ukrainians, Russians tend to splurge on vacations (just ask Europeans, Turks, or Egyptians).

  461. Liberating Crimea could be all that anyone will recall from the do-nothing Obama years. People compare the current gerontocratic rule in Washington to the Brezhnev years and there is some truth to it. But the stagnation set in under Obama, he was the lazy entitled fool after Bush’s volatility. In a funny way, Bush resembled Krushchev in his simplicity and adventurism.

  462. Philip Owen says

    LAphroaig is fine but Glenmorangie is better and it’s Welsh superior, Penderyn.

    The Ossetians are descended from the Alans according to tradition.

  463. AnonFromTN says

    Glenmorangie and Glenfiddich are both good. As Scots say, when they get it right the first time around, it’s single malt; when they don’t, it’s double malt.

  464. Bashibuzuk says

    Altan, I have already posted the link below, but I will post it again, in case you missed it.

    https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31321-0?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867420313210%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

    And a summary :

    Genome-wide analysis of 214 ancient individuals from Mongolia and the Baikal region

    Three genetically distinct dairy pastoralist groups in Late Bronze Age Mongolia

    Xiongnu nomadic empire formed through mixing of distinct local and distant groups

    No selection on the lactase persistence alleles despite 5,000 years of dairy culture

  465. The past was not better, but it closer to the human nature.

    If human nature includes the full development and use of human faculties such as reason, then the primitive past (which you seem to idealize) was not the fullest expression of human nature.

  466. the precedent in Kosovo

    Will you state explicitly what you think the Kosovo precedent is?

  467. and let the uprising in Donbass to go more or less spontaneous.

    False. Pouring in weapons and volunteers (10% of rebel forces, but its most effective fighters because many were Chechen war vets, not to mention commander such as Girkin or “Motorola”) was not allowing it to go spontaneously. 2 of 3 initial leaders were Russians.

    Svido “friendship” (i.e. repressions and probably mass killings) toward Crimeans would have been inavoidable.

    Like in Kharkiv?

  468. Daniel Chieh says

    Human nature is a strange thing to try to qualify, but its arguable that primitive societies did indeed show more reliance on the human cognitive capacity as an individual. We’ve made up for it via cultural and technological methodologies, and this might be a part of domestication, but it is a real effect.

    https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-human-brain-has-been-getting-smaller-since-the-stone-age

  469. You can only pour weapons and volunteers in a fertile ground to make an uprising successful. In a hostile environment, a foreign inducted uprising is doomed to fail. If Girkin and Motorola would have tried to foment a pro-Russian uprising in Galicia they would have ended hanged. Like it or not they went to the Donbass and were welcomed. AFAIK Motorola is now considered a hero and martyr in the Donbass.
    Trying to induct an uprising in a hostile environment would inevitable fail. See for example the failed “revolution” of the Che in Bolivia. May be it is hard to accept for you, but the Donbass uprising against the Maidanut regime was largely spontaneous with volunteers going there from all former USSR (mostly from Russia) and even with volunteers going from Western Europe (Some Spaniards were judged when they returned from Donbas to Spain). The Russian government decided to intervene later and decisively in Ilovaisk.

    Like in Kharkiv?

    Like in Lugansk. The regime bombing of a square was a reason to induct Lugansk to join Donetsk in the anti-maidanut uprising.

  470. Mr. Hack says

    I wrote that reply just after watching this video clip, that I think overall presents views that are favorable/unfavorable to both the Ukrainian and Russian sides, so overall balanced. At 4:15 a Russian zoo owner, an Oleg Turbov, complains that he misses the Ukrainian tourists. At the end of the clip, later than when first interviewed he calls Crimea a “police state”. At 14:00, a collage of human rights violations against Ukrainians is explored.

    When I was in Crimea, before the anschluss, both the Russian and Ukrainian flags could be seen flying together. Today, flying a Ukrainian flag in Crimea will result in stiff retribution by the authorities.

    https://youtu.be/lzO7gIT5GYU

  471. Like any developed country should, United Kingdom shows there is an excellent, advanced medical service, provided for free to all its resident. So that a minimum wage cleaner, might be given medical care by a world leading specialist doctor from University of Oxford, and they won’t have to pay a cent for it. (Moreover such workers will have paid 0% tax for the first $18,000 of their salary, and where minimum wage is set at $12,30 per hour).

    I can assume this is could scary proposal for private-sector American medical workers – like if you told frightening stories to the wealthy water bottle industrialists of Russia about the countries in Western Europe where you can drink free water from the tap without longterm risk to your kidneys.

  472. Bashibuzuk says

    the primitive past (which you seem to idealize)

    I don’t idealize the past. Life was always tough for many people. But we are more evolved to live as our ancestors lived for 90% of our history as a species. Civilization is a recent phenomenon and the existence of technological Civilization is historically speaking a very short period. The technological progress has provided us much comfort, but has also caused much psychological stress and alienation. In terms of struggle for survival, many animals have a more peaceful life in a zoo, but I don’t think most would choose captivity.

  473. Coconuts says

    I’m reading a book by Carl Schmitt at the moment where he says:

    ‘Without making any claims about their innate nature, it is easily possible to say that the majority of men cherish the illusion of living in a state of peace without threats and that they will not tolerate those who have the reputation of seeing things in a more pessimistic way. This is why the adversaries of a lucid theory of politics will always find it easy to place hors la loi, in the name of some other autonomous field of study, any lucid observation and description of the truths of politics, by claiming that they deny morality, or economics, or the scientific method and, especially, the decisive argument in politics, that they are from the devil and it is necessary to fight them’.

    It seems what he says here about the study of politics applies to discussions around the topic of Bantu migrations. According to Kaufmann himself in 2019 he was lucky to get away with publishing Whiteshift and staying in the academic mainstream even at that period, and this was taking into account his own ethnicity and the perspective the book takes.

  474. When I was in Crimea, before the anschluss, both the Russian and Ukrainian flags could be seen flying together. Today, flying a Ukrainian flag in Crimea will result in stiff retribution by the authorities.

    Galicia and Trans-Carpathia joining Soviet Ukraine as well as the rest of the USSR was no less of an “anschluss”.

    Flying the Russian flag in some parts of Kiev regime controlled Ukraine is inviting trouble.

  475. Ukraine doesn’t recognize Kosovo’s independence and Serbia doesn’t recognize Crimea being a part of Russia.

    Erdogan has no business talking about Crimea given Turkey’s stance on Koosvo and northern Cyprus.

  476. So the brightest bulbs in the package are stone age exemplars (left-overs)?

  477. The topic “why we build multinational religious buildings nobody needs or wants”, would have probably been explained in one of the modules in the introduction course on how to be a postsoviet oligarch.

    There might also be interconnected material in typical oligarch study modules on “how to import Uzbek construction workers” and “what to do with excess construction materials after building an anthill”.

    I guess after such basics, there will be entry into more advanced training modules called things like “Pretending to have bad taste for modern art is the most effective cross-border money laundering” and “import-substitution : having your business subsidized from taxpayers is now a form of patriotism”. And as per our above discussion, the latest retraining sessions will need to be title something like “let’s stop it – oligarchs’ donations to Boris Johnson are giving our people a bad reputation”

  478. AnonfromTN says

    I remember in 2014 BBC found one Russian in Crimea unhappy with its reunification with Russia. Apparently they failed to find another one, as the same guy featured in several of their subsequent reports. But the greatest faux pas BBC committed was in 2015: they titled their material “celebration of the anniversary of annexation”. One can only pity propagandists doomed to claim that 2 times 2 equals five and a half.

  479. Coconuts says

    I guess Bashibuzuk would be thinking more about something like the Holy Roman Empire than the Nazi era Reich. Pre-Enlightenment European political thinking seems to have taken the existence of things like tribes for granted, they are like intermediate groupings between the family, which is the most basic political unit, and the larger polis or kingdom.

    I think the Nazi era ‘folk community’ owed a lot to post-Enlightenment ideas on politics, that together with their idea of the inevitability of apocalyptic conflict between folk communities represented by heavily armed modern industrial states is why their tribalism was so destructive.

    Tribalism of the more traditional kind may come back into politics as the idea of universal liberalism, nothing between the individual citizen and states which claim to incarnate pan-human values, proves unworkable or unsatisfactory.

  480. Mr. Hack says

    Galicia and Trans-Carpathia joining Soviet Ukraine as well as the rest of the USSR was no less of an “anschluss”.

    How so?

  481. Official daily coronavirus data has not seemed to be reliable. What we seemed to be able report reliably for now, is the excess deaths – in which we have to wait for that information to be available in 1-2 months to see if the current situation is actually so bad, or not bad.

    For example, in November 2020 in Novosibirsk there was 90,5% increase in excess mortality, but officially there was reported only 160 deaths from coronavirus, and there was little media information about the epidemiological disaster that was happening in the city . Moreover, restaurants, bars and nightclubs, were more open and normal in that city than they were during the summer, when the epidemiological situation was much more normal. Relative to population, coronavirus deaths was worse in Novosibirsk in November 2020, than in New York in April 2020. But externally everything had apparently been normal in Novosibirsk, while in New York it was reported by the media like it was a zombie apocalypse in April 2020.

    Conversely, in cities like Tagil there were not a single case of coronavirus identified in April 2020, yet they were panicking about the epidemic and spraying public spaces with peroxide (like for the zombie apocalypse).

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-6Zut9KF1F

    Whereas when in the second wave coronavirus pandemic was killing hundreds of people in the city, and cemeteries had rapidly become fully booked, they were organizing indoor concerts with singing.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CFyenIDqjw1
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CF1uTAEqeqb

    There is indeed such a disconnect, so that even with the current third wave in Russia with the Delta variant is now being reported a lot in the media – I’m not sure whether we can guess how terrible or not it is, until more information will be released on the excess deaths in 1-2 months.

    For now, we might feel pessimistic that there will be a lot of excess deaths from the third wave, but it is more like a guessing-game until the information is released.

  482. Bashibuzuk says

    I think that for those among us who have been alienated through the Western postmodern culture, we need to learn again to live as humans always did: families, lineages, extended families, clans, communities and tribes. Otherwise we wouldn’t persist as a population. A nation is an abstract concept if it is not one’s extended family on a larger scale. It can only induce long term attachments if it is directly linked with one’s ancestry and is rooted in a blood, soil and a mythology / belief system.

    We don’t need to invent anything: copy ultra-Zionists and apply it to your kin and folk. Other people are to be seen as a compatible and even desirable alliance if they help your kin and folk thrive, otherwise they are to be avoided and/or fought against. No more abstract humanism, except in reconnaissance of an universal basic human nature which only has a value according to behavior and social attitudes. Positive behavior and social attitudes = positive value, destructive behavior and social attitudes = negative value. Judge people by their actions independently of their ethnic background, but stick to your kin and folk every time it’s possible.

    Simply behave as humans usually did throughout their history before the abstract universalism screwed their minds and made them into hapless mankurt globalized “human ressources”. Global Village is more than often fake and gay.

  483. AnonfromTN says

    A joke I picked up in Russia on my visit this June:
    – Doctor, when covid epidemic is likely to end?
    – I have no idea, I don’t follow politics.

  484. The UK is reporting large numbers of cases but hospitalizations and deaths remain low. That is because even the less effective AZ vaccine works really well against the delta variant.

    In Russia people are reasoning that they don’t need a vaccine against a virus that is 99.7% survivable, and that the vaccine is deadlier than the virus. (I guess they can thank Meduza and other opposition media for spreading false reports on the vaccine’s side effects.) Russia’s getting the undignified position as a cautionary tale, while enemies in UK will get to paint themselves as studious pupils.

  485. You can only pour weapons and volunteers in a fertile ground to make an uprising successful.

    This is correct but we were discussing your false claim that this project was spontaneous. Presence of fertile soil doesn’t mean that the uprising was spontaneous. It may have been “fertile ground” but without the volunteers, weapons and encouragement it would have been quiet. Fertile ground was necessary, but not sufficient. It required very non-spontaneous Russian intervention. Just as fertile ground is not enough to produce crops, one needs to bring seeds to plant and to care for them.

    Russia provided volunteers, weapons, and leaders. First PM was a Russian from Moscow, Borodai, who described his work as “I came here as a crisis manager, a start-upper, if you want.” His deputy PM was Antyufeyev, former Soviet OMON police officer who was one of organizers of the attempt to overthrow the Latvian government in 1991. As “Vadim Shevtsov”, he was later the head of the Ministry of State Security of Moldova’s pro-Moscow separatist state of Transnistria between 1992 and 2012.

    LOL, “spontaneous.”

  486. Yellowface Anon says

    I stopped being a libertarian but there are more moderate approaches than the WHO concensus of neutron bombing cockroaches.

    You have fallen for the stereotype promoted by legacy propagnda outlets of “questioning public health policies = libertarian”

  487. Yellowface Anon says

    Are you implying the 99.7% rate is off the mark?

    Whatever deaths are there it’s pushed forward thru adverse reactions to the vaccines. And surely post-Soviet type deaths of despair too.

    And you miss the point – it is what happens to the living, what social changes is to bw enacted.

  488. Yellowface Anon says

    Either when the WEF is done with the Great Reset, most people quit the system, or revolutions.

  489. Like any developed country should, United Kingdom shows there is an excellent, advanced medical service, provided for free to all its resident

    It is free, but terrible compared to the American system. Care is rationed and many people are excluded from receiving it because their cases are deemed not cost effective enough. In the USA, for example, a poor obese old person with HIV can get a kidney transplant for free (medicare pays); such a person would be excluded by NHS because of high failure rate.

    Top 10 hospitals in the world (according to Swiss):

    https://www.swissinsurancepartners.com/the-10-best-hospitals-in-the-world/

    3 of 10 are in USA, including the best one. And it is huge; the Swiss ones are small boutique hospitals.

    None are in the UK.

    This American list has 4 American ones in top 10:

    https://www.mozocare.com/insights/worlds-best-hospitals-2020-top-100-global/

    Best British one is only #33. Worse than 7 American ones.

  490. But we are more evolved to live as our ancestors lived for 90% of our history as a species

    Not really, otherwise we would have maintained that lifestyle. Most of us have evolved to live a much more complex life, we do not have the same brains as people living 60,000 or even 10,000 or 5,000 years ago. We are made to live in a more complex and abstract world.

    It is likely true that newcomers forced into our environment from more primitive ones may struggle to adjust because it may be unnatural for them, as it would be for our distant ancestors if someone had transported them into our time.

  491. sher singh says

    https://twitter.com/senghmishima/status/1410955782015709192?s=20

    Lol Mona (clean shaven) panth getten held at gun point.

  492. It’s also the basis for the idea of “sleeping on” something – letting your brain figure something out in the “background” rather than trying to force yourself to figure it out consciously. I think our brains do a lot of accurate “calculations” subconsciously without us being aware of the truths it is discovering.

    I don’t doubt that for certain people subconscious problem-solving is a major source of creativity. A famous case in science was a day-dream about the ouroboros leading to the realization by August Kekulé that benzene’s structure must be cyclic with alternating double bonds.

    Psychologists have done some empirical work on small-scale “realizations,”

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23170324_Posterior_Beta_and_Anterior_Gamma_Oscillations_Predict_Cognitive_Insight

    but Known Unknowns abound, e.g., how does subconscious processing differ between coming up with a yet unknown solution to a problem versus simply choosing among known alternatives for personal actions. Presumably the latter involves more subconscious emotional calculating. Another Known Unknown (at least to me) would be whether “Aha moments” differ in frequency among Myers-Briggs personality types. Do the IN’s have more?

  493. You appear to be assuming that IQ is at a maximum now. That is unlikely. Cranial capacity has been decreasing since the end of the last glacial period. ww.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-human-brain-has-been-getting-smaller-since-the-stone-age

  494. Bashibuzuk says

    Not really, otherwise we would have maintained that lifestyle.

    Progress as a Red Queen type situation of competing elites pushing progress forward. The urge to be first so you don’t end last and erased. That is why it mainly happened in Eurasia where there were a maximum diversity of competing genetic lineages.

    Basically an elite induced and driven social stress response ending up destroying biosphere and exhausting the most creative segment of humanity into childless materialism, while producing countless suffering and death. An interesting question is why we end up producing neurotical or even sociopathic elites. Probably something to do with our hierarchical primate biology gone wrong.

    Sad…

    http://shafarevich.voskres.ru/a28.htm

    That was the first publication that provided to me a hint there was something wrong with the notion of progress. It was decades ago. My experience since has only confirmed that intuitive impression.

  495. sher singh says
  496. It isn’t surprising, nearly the entire country is composed exclusively of mountains, apart from the Kanto plain which is basically just all city.

    Korea is virtually identical, albeit I’m unsure if they have the same prominence in their movies.

  497. Bashibuzuk says
  498. Yellowface Anon says

    How far has the Party gone!

  499. Ian Neil says

    I witness myself Russian spending in Israel and Turkey and it is just crazy . Turks love Russian tourists more then any other nation . Funny thing is when I mention this to Russophobes they said it is elite only that can come to visit Turkey or Israel rest is very poor

  500. It may have been less efficient then. Were Neanderthals more intelligent than modern humans? There is no evidence of that.

    In human development large numbers of synapses are destroyed in order to improve efficiency.

    https://www.healthline.com/health/synaptic-pruning#research-on-schizophrenia

    Biological basis of intelligence probably peaked in the 19th century.

  501. Progress as a Red Queen type situation of competing elites pushing progress forward.

    So only elites want to maximize the use o their cognitive gifts?

    Basically an elite induced and driven social stress response ending up destroying biosphere and exhausting the most creative segment of humanity into childless materialism

    This process has been ongoing for thousands of years, and “childless materialism” only occurred now and at a time when the process has slowed. And now it may even be reversing itself. So it’s odd to blame development for something that has not really accompanied development for most of its course.

    while producing countless suffering and death

    Tribal primitives experienced far more suffering and deaths than did civilized nations. Even 17th century Europeans in the grip of the religious wars were far less likely to die violently than are typical tribal people.

  502. AnonfromTN says

    when I mention this to Russophobes they said it is elite only that can come to visit Turkey or Israel

    The defining characteristic of Russophobes is that they either do not know the reality or willfully ignore it. Russian elites do not go to Turkey, Egypt, Thailand, Greece, and most places in Europe, these are the destinations for the ordinary folks with limited funds. They do spend more than most other tourists per person. This is in Russian (in the broad sense) psyche: to save money, you stay home, if you go to far away countries, you splurge. Many ordinary Russians save through the year to get a good vacation for their families, but when they go for a vacation, they indulge themselves. They often behave like they are richer than they really are (as the joke about Baltic vaudeville states puts it, they exchanged Russian tourists who used to give twenty Euro tips for Swedish pensioners who give twenty cent tips at best). This behavior can be considered silly, but that’s what it is.

    While travelling I avoid places with high concentration of Russians, as we prefer to rent a car and have full freedom. We usually visit places few Russians ever go to, like small towns in Germany, Italy, Spain, France, or Portugal, Ataturk mausoleum or Cappadocia in Turkey, and various obscure temples in Egypt. However, in any museum in Europe, Asia, or Egypt you hear at least half of the visitors speaking Russian (that number includes more educated people from Ukraine and Kazakhstan who are ashamed to speak their inferior languages in public).

  503. Bashibuzuk says

    So only elites want to maximize the use o their cognitive gifts?

    They want to maximize power.

    This process has been ongoing for thousands of years, and “childless materialism” only occurred now and at a time when the process has slowed.

    Long lag phase before going exponential. The process has not slowed, it just shifted to China because the West got exhausted. The process is not attached to some specific Civilization. It is not even attached to human species itself. Technology will perpetuate the process without us around.

    Tribal primitives experienced far more suffering and deaths than did civilized nations

    No. Nothing exceeds 20th century. That is until now, but I think the most interesting is yet to come.

    BTW have you taken a look at the link I provided? It is a half an hour read.

  504. Morton's toes says

    After the Great Reset there will be a another new initiative with a different name and mostly all of the same muckymucks and hoodlums will be on the top.

    I finally read Miles Copeland Game of Nations which I keep hearing advertised as great stuff and the real deal. It is pretty boring. But there was one memorable tidbit. He said (I am paraphrasing a little) the prime directive for the top guys is keep the nukes in the silos and not fired up. This is excruciatingly difficult and very stressful so we give them a pass on all the rest–the torture, murder, kidnapping, raping, stealing, spying, lying–all of it. We should be grateful we are not getting blown to kingdom come.

    Now this is crap but Copeland said it (more or less) and apparently a bunch of the top guys act like they believe it too.

  505. Boomthorkell says

    Historical pederastry was a largely a fashion trend, as far as I can tell, considering it literally came in and out of fashion as societies determined the morality of buggering children as a form of “education” and pleasure.

    So, while “pure” homosexuals, etc. are rare, a society can certainly put its finger on the scales.

  506. Tribal primitives experienced far more suffering and deaths than did civilized nations

    No. Nothing exceeds 20th century. That is until now, but I think the most interesting is yet to come.

    Only between 1939 and 1945 was death by violence rate about equal to that of tribal societies. And then it declined dramatically. The danger and risk of 1939-1945 was the standard mode of existence for humans for millennia. Only the scale was different due to there being orders of magnitude more people in 1941 than in 5,000 BC, and of course means of physical destruction (bombed rather than having their throat slit).

    BTW have you taken a look at the link I provided? It is a half an hour read.

    I will when I have time.

  507. Mr. Hack says

    you hear at least half of the visitors speaking Russian (that number includes more educated people from Ukraine and Kazakhstan who are ashamed to speak their inferior languages in public).

    Spoken like the true/blue Jaanisaar that you are, Tennessee. 🙁

  508. Bashibuzuk says

    I will when I have time.

    It is well worth the read. Igor Rostistavovich Shafarevich was a true intellectual in the best sense of the term.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Shafarevich

    BTW, he was born in Ukraine.

  509. AnonfromTN says

    Truth hurts. Reality is a bitch. Nothing new there.

  510. Blinky Bill says

    This video is an excerpt from an Election Rally Speech that Lee Kuan Yew gave in December of 1980 in which he talked about the failure of China’s Communist experiment under Mao Zedong and the fact that Deng Xiaoping decided to change course.

    https://youtu.be/nM1f6xNfwZw

    https://youtu.be/XOHfUKX795o?t=14

    https://youtu.be/8voMlHLBNp4

  511. AnonfromTN says

    To give you more in-depth answer, the people who truly care about Ukrainian language and culture should despise Ukrainian “leadership” (all of it since 1991) a lot more than I do. They should have organized a creation of an authoritative dictionary, like Webster, organize work to develop the language (Ukrainian is woefully underdeveloped in areas beyond village life), organize collection and publication of folk sayings, folk songs, etc. As the scum only cared about lining their pockets, none of this was done.

    The puppets brought to power by 2014 coup turned out to be even worse. They keep using nationalism as a fig leaf for their thievery, but made it a lot more rabid and ludicrous. Nowadays on Ukrainian TV when someone speaks Russian, you can get various things, but when someone speaks Ukrainian, you can be assured that total BS is spewed. The whole USSR used to love and sing Ukrainian songs, but current puppets managed to produce a gag reflex on Ukrainian in Russia. For that alone they should be hanged by the balls.

  512. Mr. Hack says

    Isn’t the global village that you rail against really only the outcome of failed communities of families, clans and tribes on their home turf? I’ve personally seen stark raving mad Ukrainian Svidomites that came to the US after WWII, who for a couple of decades were very active within the Ukrainian community morph into your typical American couch potatoes. They quit communicating amongst themselves at home in their own native language, and ended up singing Beatles songs that they once tried to keep their children from listening to. I knew a Ukrainian millionaire who preferred the comfort of his daily visit to the local casino, and not once thought about going back home to the land of his birth. Like it or not, from my vantage point, it seems that people are more eager than they think to finally melt into the large pot that is America.

    From what you’ve revealed about yourself, what real chances do you think that you’ll have in maintaining your own Russian clan/community ties? Has the Russian language that you perhaps once used almost exclusively at home with your children been taking a back stage to French or whatever other European language used in the area you live in now? Do you really think that your children will ever move to Russia and maintain the ‘Russian way of life”? How about you?

  513. 96%.

    85% would be more like the percentage of Ukraine military in Crimea who defected to Russia

  514. Women in Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian Armed Forces

    Some comparisons noted in the below piece, further contradicting the idea that Ukraine is a positive example for Russia and Belarus.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528301-ukraine-sexist-parade-heels/

  515. AnonfromTN says

    85% would be more like the percentage of Ukraine military in Crimea who defected to Russia

    There were interesting stories about former Ukrainian military who signed up for Russian army. One was about a unit that took delivery of new tanks. Former Ukrainian soldiers were amazed that the engines of new tanks start right on railway platforms. They said that they never had that in Ukrainian army. Considering Ukrainian levels of thievery, this is hardly surprising.

  516. Blinky Bill says

    https://www.economist.com/img/b/1000/563/90/sites/default/files/images/2021/04/articles/main/20210424_asp002.jpg

    Kyrgyzstan’s president has signed a law that allows the government to seize control of its largest gold mine if the facility’s Canadian operator is found to have violated environmental standards. The government is demanding $3bn in compensation for the mine’s ecological damage.

    Kumtor mine is Kyrgyzstan’s single largest contributor to GDP. It accounts for approximately 5-7% of national output. The mine enterprise also amounts to Kyrgyzstan’s largest employer and taxpayer.

  517. LOL, typical self-hating, cursed-in-hell Banderetard….. claims to support the team – except doesn’t after 2 seconds

    The captain Yarmolenko I have only ever heard speaking in……. Russian

    The star player, the most famous player on the team, the guy who was interviewed after the Sweden game so the man you are referring to as “low IQ”.. .. is a guy who with his parents fled from the Ukronazis coming to Donbass for war crimes. Where they went to?……. Russia
    As with anybody with a brain in the “Ukraine” he speaks exclusively in Russian you idiot. Although probably wary of Svidi BS and death threats he has recently started doing short text posts on Instagram in “Ukrainian”
    How rude of the stupid Soros bitch to ask him questions in “Ukrainian” to a tired guy who has effectively ran half a marathon over 120 minutes and she knows will reply in Russian?

    The coach, and most successful Ukrainian post 1991,Andrey Shevchenko speaks exclusively in…….. Russian

    He’s great friends with Abramovich

    He delivers his instructions to the team in….. Russian

    So the entire team is speaking in….. Russian (noticing a pattern here?) LOL

    I think only 1 guy in the team is even from Galicia/f*ckheadistan

    Idiot

  518. Bashibuzuk says

    What you describe is exactly what I am living through and what I see around me with other Eastern European immigrants. But even in RusFed, my younger relatives dress the way my kids do, listen to similar music and play similar video games. They end up thinking along the same lines. Postmodern way of life is corroding through cultural differences and normalizing human behavior. That is why I wrote that we need to learn again to value the traditional outlook. I do not idealize it, but it might be the only chance for the long-term survival of many (perhaps the majority) of the human lineages.

  519. I strongly suspect Dmitry’s impressions are unduly colored by him being mostly in London/Oxbridge, probably the prestigious parts at that, during his stays in the UK.

    33. St Thomas’ Hospital. United Kingdom. London

    Yeah, thought so. When Dmitry mentioned “futuristic spaceship”, I would even hazard a wild guess that he was talking about Guys Hospital, which does have some of those vibes and is closely affiliated with St. Thomas’ Hospital. It is indeed a very good hospital, though of course hardly representative. In addition:

    (1) Even there, bureaucratic procedures are a mess (or were just a few years ago). As in, waiting in lines to hand in and receive pieces of paper, because this whole digitization has apparently passed them by. It is also a great struggle to get direct access to the results of your own medical tests, presumably as that is not for the eyes of uneducated proles. In one case, the nurse only gave a verbal description, because she was not authorized to hand over the actual data. In my admittedly limited experience, there is less stonewalling of this nature in the US and even Russia.

    (2) Outside London and prestige cities (51. Addenbrooke’s. United Kingdom. Cambridge), the hospitals can get surprisingly dumpy (probably a good proxy for this is hospital-contracted MRSA deaths per capita in the US vs. the UK). If Russia was a high income country that could afford to splurge on healthcare like the UK does, I suspect its hospitals would be significantly better.

  520. I agree. Steve Hsu estimated genotypic Neanderthal IQ at 70. http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2013/12/neanderthals-dumb.html

    The reduction in brain size was very likely a function of (1) more efficient brain organization thanks to the much greater selective pressures that came with larger human numbers, and (2) the loss of some visuo-spatial capacity, which is the aspect of intelligence that’s most correlated to brain size.

  521. Moscow’s hospitals are already stretched to the brink because of covid patients. Because they chose to not take the vaccine, many more will die because they cannot receive care for other conditions. Also, the government has sounded the alarm that oxygen supplies need to be diverted from other industries. The standard of care for covid patients is about to go way down in Russia, which also means a lot more deaths.

    On top of that, the delta variant is at least twice as likely to require hospitalization because the portion of the population that is most vulnerable is much larger, and includes the younger population. The worst could have been avoided with the existing vaccine supplies. Then there is the geopolitical component. The West will certainly use this disaster in Russia to batter its image further, pointing out how Britons are doing much better against the same strain of disease.

  522. Bashibuzuk says

    We cannot infer what the allele Steven Hsu specifically mentioned led to in Neanderthal biological setting. The fact it negatively interferes with the Cro-Magnon cognitive abilities might simply point to the divergence between our species. The lowering of brain volume is also found in large dog breeds compared to the wolves and is simply due to domestication leading to more standardized behavior. Lowering of modern human brain volume started with the Neolithic agricultural revolution, it coincided with lowering of height and other disgenic symptoms through worse nutrition added to higher and less natural workload.

  523. Philip Owen says

    Careful, one of my acquaintances is a wealthy water bottle industrialist from Russia. He and his son started by hand filling a batch of PET bottles they bought with their last money, in 1994. They were millionaires 5 years later. The water contained silver. Silver is bactericidal. Good for cleaning the kitchen. I am not so sure about drinking it. Your remark about kidneys is not far off.

  524. AnonfromTN says

    Good for cleaning the kitchen. I am not so sure about drinking it.

    Depends on the amount of silver. Alexander the Great discovered this the hard way. During his first Asian expedition he noticed that his soldiers suffered from diarrhea, whereas his officers did not. He (or someone close to him) figured that officers used silver drinking cups, whereas soldiers did not have them. So, for his second Asian expedition he supplied all soldiers with silver cups, and the issue of diarrhea disappeared.

  525. Philip Owen says

    The video was Papworth which is the cardiac annexe of Addenbrooke’s the Cambridge hospital. Addenbrooke’s was my local hospital for 17 years. My children had their accidents treated there. It has the same equipment level as every other UK hospital. Under the Blair government there was a major effort to end the “postcode lottery” in health. There was a lot of new build. A comprehensive requipment. The teaching hospitals outside London were given additional research funds. (Many tables rate research, not patient experience). QE II in Birmingham takes cranial trauma cases that would once have been referred to a London teaching hospital and has taken the lead in research in that area.

    I have no reason to think that my cardiac cath lab treatment was worse in Bridgend/Swansea than it would have been at Papworth/Addenbroke’s. There was however pressure on the beds as it had been a bad flu year. Indeed a flu that I caught on a Russian train was my reason for needing treatment.

    Most treatment for most people is routine and any competent professional can administer it. The NHS makes sure that specialists have regular experience in treatments they administer. Nobody is going to try a procedure they last did in medical school10 years ago because it pays well.

  526. RadicalCenter says

    Funny thing is, the actor who played Soviet boxer Ivan Drago, Hans “Dolph” Lundgren, is Swedish, while the Italian Stallion may be part Slavic.

    Sly’s mother, maiden name Labofish, was half French and half Russian and/or Jewish: it appears that two of her grandparents were Russian citizens and lived in the Crimea.

  527. You are right in the sense that most capable cadres of the Donbass uprising arrived from Russia; but you are sill inverting the time-order of events. Babai and Motorola arrived to Donetsk AFTER the uprising started. There is a pic of Motorola in a manifestation of Kharkov, which happened after first anti-Maidan manifestations in Donetsk and Luganks. Later, he moved from Kharkov to Donetsk when the uprising was already going on. By the way, I find your arguments quite strange. On one hand you say that Donbass people are sub-humans (Yats “our men” claimed something similar as Fist Minister) that doesn’t deserved to be Ukrainians and, on the other hand you also claim that the Donbass uprising was managed from Moscow to cut the East from the rest of Ukraine. This seems contradictory to me.
    My position is that Donbass uprising started after Crimea referendum. People hoped that Donbass would eventually been also accepted in Russia but Putin was not interested. People as Babai and Motorola arrived and catalyzed an already going on uprising. This scaled the conflict and so, Porky decided to intervene in a bold way. So, because of internal popularity concerns, Putin decided to intervene later (by July) when the while conflict escalated to a large scale civil war. Likely, his “strategy” was tactical and opportunistic with a “see and react” behavior rather than a strategic master-plan.

  528. RadicalCenter says

    Compared to the Russian-speaking Eastern Orthodox Russian peoples who predominate in the Russian Federation, most of Belarus, and most of the Ukraine, a majority of people living in the far western oblasty of the Ukraine profess a different religious denomination (Roman or Ukrainian Orthodox Catholic) and/or hail partly from different ethnicities (Polish, Slovak, Hungarian).

    Also, unlike the rest of the Ukraine, the westernmost territory was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and accordingly, they were affected genetically and culturally.

    Whether their aspiration is realistic or not, they don’t become “f—-heads” if they want to have an independent country populated by people more of their own ethnicity and religious denomination.

    In this case, wouldn’t the region be less tense, and more people on both “sides” feel satisfied and respected, if the western sliver of the Ukraine were allowed to be its own country? They could have “Ukrainian” and whatever else as official languages.

    Or, if ethnic concentrations make this feasible, what would be so bad about letting the people of each western oblast vote to join Poland, Slovakia, or Hungary if they wish?

    Moreover, from the perspective of Russian interests, wouldn’t Ukraine be more evenly divided, or somewhat more pro-Russian, without those far western oblasts? The remaining Ukraine might abandon the delusion of joining the EU or NATO. It could also conclude agreements cementing greater economic and cultural ties with Russia.

    In time, a Ukraine free of those dissident elements could even join the union-state of Russia-Belarus if Putin et al. ever get that finished. Of course, Russaia probably would have to further reduce corruption and improve standard of living for that to look like an attractive option; I hope it happens.

  529. Still Sly have a very Sicilian look. I deosn´t look Slavic at all.

  530. On one hand you say that Donbass people are sub-humans

    Be honest. Those people have been morally and culturally corrupted by Soviets (as reflected in their social indicators) but are not “sub-human.”

    and, on the other hand you also claim that the Donbass uprising was managed from Moscow to cut the East from the rest of Ukraine. This seems contradictory to me.

    There is no contradiction here. Why do you think there would be?

    Do you assume that wanting to separate from Ukraine makes them “sub-human?” It does not. Those people are corrupted whether or not they want to separate from Ukraine.

    People as Babai and Motorola arrived and catalyzed an already going on uprising.

    Girkin arrived within days of the disturbances, which would have ended without the participation and flow of weapons, volunteers, and experienced leaders from Russia as they ended in those parts of Ukraine that did not experience such Russian intervention.

  531. songbird says

    I’m less knowledgeable about Korean entertainment, but my snap impression is that Seoul is a more dominant setting. Whether that reflects that half their pop lives there, or they are too export-minded is an interesting question.

    BTW, heard there is a law in Korea that a person can only be buried for 60 years.

  532. songbird says

    Hard to decide how much of it is due to gatekeeping and brainwashing and how much it is due to natural passivity or the avoidance of thinking about conflict.

    I’m often surprised and perplexed by what normies say, even bachelors who speak somewhat freely. I seem to know where their sympathies lie, but sometimes they will hit me with some establishment phrase, like they are possessed.

    Sometimes I wonder if it is a serf mindset, or some weird kind of narcissism.

  533. Yes, it was a good article. Written in 1989, amazingly. He did not want humanity to return to tribal times, but wanted technology to be better controlled.

  534. You are a decent guy and well-meaning, but you seem to take Russian nationalists too seriously and repeat their fantasies about Ukraine, such that everything east of Galicia must be somehow “Russian.”

    unlike the rest of the Ukraine, the westernmost territory was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and accordingly, they were affected genetically and culturally

    1. Volynia in the far West, was as much a part of the Russian Empire as Right Bank central Ukraine. The only difference is that it was missed the first decades of Soviet rule – it went from being part of Russia in 1917 to being part of Poland until 1939.
    2. Galicia was part of Austria from 1772. Before that it was part of Poland, right alongside Right Bank central Ukraine (which remained Polish for 21 more years, until 1793). Right Bank Central Ukraine was Greek Catholic, like Galicia, until the first half of the 19th century. The Polish community was larger in Galicia and remained intact, while Poles in central Ukraine (about 10% of the population when Central Ukraine became part of Russia) were just absorbed and assimilated by their Ukrainian neighbors. So ironically central Ukrainians from the Right Bank probably have more Polish descent than do Galicians.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Partitions_of_Poland.png/1280px-Partitions_of_Poland.png

    Moreover, from the perspective of Russian interests, wouldn’t Ukraine be more evenly divided, or somewhat more pro-Russian, without those far western oblasts? The remaining Ukraine might abandon the delusion of joining the EU or NATO.

    According to this logic, why not just return Crimea and Donbas, plus add five or so additional Russian oblasts to Ukraine? Then EU/NATO would be easily outvoted in such a “Ukraine.”

    Ukraine experienced its stress test in 2014. It lost exactly those territories that it should have lost, no more and no less. Coincidentally these were the territories not with a Russian-speaking majority but a Russian ethnic majority. If you think Kiev should become Russian because most people there speak Russian, try telling Dubliners they need to be reannexed by England because they don’t speak Gaelic.

  535. Triteleia Laxa says

    Maybe.

    Chairman Mao died in 1976. That is 45 years ago.

    45 years after Lenin died, the USSR looked much more formidable than China does today, at least to people at the time.

    Perhaps it is glib to draw this parallel, but my main point is to say that the future is always hard to predict.

    The fact that China is still only yet at the adjusted GDP per capita of the US in 1978, presents the CCP with both an opportunity, as it is much easier to catch up, but also hints at the scale of the challenges which they will face.

    In particular, I don’t think China has yet disproved the theory of the link between economic development and support for democracy. They’ve risen so fast that Chinese people have had little cause to think politically, but there will be problems eventually, and their younger population in the cities is already liberally-minded in every other way.

    I find it interesting how Xi is extremely keen to talk well about Marx and Marxism and boost his Communist credentials; despite the CCP’s rule obviously not being Communist at all. Perhaps he has his own completely idiosyncratic ideology, some chain of progress to get to communism, but also, perhaps, he is trying to forestall a liberal left challenge to the CCP. I’d do the same. Outleft the progressives and laugh at their confusion.

  536. Triteleia Laxa says

    Ukraine experienced its stress test in 2014. It lost exactly those territories that it should have lost, no more and no less. Coincidentally these were the territories not with a Russian-speaking majority but a Russian ethnic majority. If you think Kiev should become Russian because most people there speak Russian, try telling Dubliners they need to be reannexed by England because they don’t speak Gaelic.

    I don’t know why, but this strikes me as the most accurate and reasonable resolution to the Ukrainian conflict.

  537. I find it hard to even conceive nurses not being allowed to give you your test results. That’s a level of hypermasturbatory bureaucratic mandatory autism that’s beyond even the former communist countries, where it wouldn’t even work.

    Why wouldn’t it work? See, despite the fact that the lab is in the same building as your doctor’s office, the stunads would manage to lose the paper with the data en route to the doctor’s office… So you have to basically act as courier, allowing you to see the sacred numbers.

  538. Australian Aboriginals have pretty low IQs, yet big brains due to an enlarged spatiovisual sector. A very neanderthal-looking skull too…

    Thinking about it, the Neanderthal homeland back then was probably more like a cold Australia – barren, and predictable. You need an eagle eye – and not much thinking to succeed.

    On the other hand, how did they tally with the others? I doubt your average “modern human” that invaded and replaced the Neanderthal was much smarter back then.

    Oh, energy-efficiency-induced specializations, the bane of us… Luckily, we make enough food (energy) that using a little gene modding we can give ourselves the abilities we lost but deserve. Like ludicrous strength, excellent eyesight AND a big fat IQ to boot. About goddamn time.

  539. Bashibuzuk says

    I don’t believe we will be able to control technology. I think that the technology is already too important for us to control it. The way it is going, the technology will end up controling humanity, it is arguably already controlling us to a large extent. The pace of technological advances is already tearing through human relationships, cultures, religions and human nature itself. Shafarevich clearly was aware of it already in the 1980ies. It was prior to Vernon Vinge writing about Singularity or Nick Land coming with the notion of Accelerationism.

    Shafarevich was aware of the global convergence towards a future technological break point that he describes in his essay as a “cliff”. His awareness was due to his knowledge of the early Soviet progressism in its most nihilistic futurist form. Few people are aware of the fact that some early Soviet thinkers were (unfortunately?) so much ahead of their time. People such as Gastev, Bogdanov Malinovsky and others were moving in a transhumanist direction well before their modern Western counterparts. In fact Gastev’s philosophy of management of human ressources towards a mechanistic dehumanisation is eerily reminiscent of some modern thinkers such as Michel Foucault. Although Gastev was of course a Communist, his thinking went beyond human civilization and into a mechanicist utopia in which human society becomes a perfectly performant mechanism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksei_Gastev

    There is of course a problem with this vision, that Shafarevich understood well: what if things go wrong? What if the mechanicist development goes too far, or fails and destroys the biosphere and human species?

    What if we will end up having to choose between technological development and remaining human?

    Going back to the way humans lived through ages prior to development of complex urban environments?

    How many of us will survive?

    The way things are going, these are legitimate questions to ask.

    Perhaps we should get ready to such an eventuality. Another person writing about such an outcome is Dmitry Orlov that you perhaps are aware of. I don’t know whether Orlov agrees with Shafarevich’s stance on technological progress, but he is clearly aware of the district possibility that our Technosphere ends up going rogue or just collapsing.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2021/06/the-technosphere-chokes-on-chip.html?m=1

    If to survive we will have to rebuild clans and tribes, is it so bad?

    Being human and living a simple human existence is possibly not so bad…

  540. Bashibuzuk says

    CCP’s rule obviously not being Communist at all.

    https://andrewbatson.com/2015/10/29/the-russian-origins-of-chinese-economic-reform/

    Lenin has written that NEP should last half a century and that true Socialism is reached when each individual is member of some cooperative. Bukharin developed Lenin’s ideas further. Aldous Huxley wrote about Bukharin’s theories in very positive terms.

    But Stalin has another opinion of the Soviet economy going forward so he executed Bukharin.

    Communism is many things to many people, but first and foremost it is always violent dehumanisation…

  541. AnonfromTN says

    Communism is many things to many people, but first and foremost it is always violent dehumanisation…

    This description fits capitalism to a tee. As post-Soviet Russian joke puts it, “what they told us about socialism turned out to be a pack of lies, but what they told us about capitalism turned out to be perfectly true”.

  542. Triteleia Laxa says

    It is an interesting idea that Xi could be a true-believing Communist merely guiding China through strongly capitalist practices on the way to Communism, as per a reasonable reading of Marx.

    The main evidence is pretty good, as it is pretty much what he says he is doing.

    I would be surprised at the boldness and discipline of it though.

    I’d also marvel at the hubris of it.

  543. Bashibuzuk says

    That is why both Communism and Capitalism are two roads going to the same (posthuman) cliff as Shafarevich put it.

  544. Morton's toes says

    Under capitalism, man oppresses man. But under socialism, it’s the other way around.

    (I always heard this was John K. Galbreath)

  545. Not Raul says

    I’d like to know what Unz, Sailer, AK, Thompson, and the rest of y’all think about this:

    https://twitter.com/HistDem/status/1393640235809001476?s=20

  546. Not Raul says

    Isn’t Odessa a pro-Russia city?

  547. Mr. Hack says

    Postmodern way of life is corroding through cultural differences and normalizing human behavior.

    Normalizing human behavior sounds like a positive development What’s fueling your fears about this?

    That is why I wrote that we need to learn again to value the traditional outlook. I do not idealize it, but it might be the only chance for the long-term survival of many (perhaps the majority) of the human lineages.

    You seem to admit that going backwards into time, to a more tribalistic existence, is now probably out of the picture, but at the same time you point to this time in the past as the only way to insure the long-term survival of the human race? Sounds to me like a lot of romantic nostalgia for a time and a system that perhaps wasn’t really as prefect as you might think? I understand you, as I too long for a much more “normal” time that I remember from my youth about life in the 1950’s and 1960’s. But it’s all gone, only really available from conversations with friends and family members that are still around,,,

  548. Attempt at pro-Russian takeover there, at a time when Ukraine had no army, ended in failure.

    In the first round of the 2019 election, the pro-Russian candidate Boyko got 22% of the vote in Odessa oblast:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8_2019_%28%D0%86%29.png

    Zelensky got 41%, Poroshenko 9% and Tymoshenko 8%.

  549. Not such a great victory for the svidos given that Zelensky was at the time running on a non-svido platform, with Poroshenko and Tymoshenko combining for 17% of the vote there.

  550. Yellowface Anon says

    You get what I’m implying quite well

  551. Not such a great victory for the svidos given that Zelensky was at the time running on a non-svido platform

    No he wasn’t, he was just running primarily as an anti-corruption candidate, who was much less nationalistic than Poroshenko but not pro-Russian either. He supported Ukraine choosing EU over Eurasia, and in an interview prior to the election he stated “There are indisputable heroes. Stepan Bandera is a hero for a certain part of Ukrainians, and this is a normal and cool thing. He was one of those who defended the freedom of Ukraine. But I think that when we name so many streets, bridges by the same name, this is not quite right..”

  552. The guy making the prediction quite a clown:

    https://zaborona.com/en/ilya-kiva-and-the-man-who-would-be-a-phd/

  553. Bashibuzuk says

    I think that Camarade Xi is first and foremost a true believer in progress.

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/07/xi-jinpings-faustian-moment/

  554. Bashibuzuk says

    Normalizing human behavior sounds like a positive development

    What makes you think that humans becoming more predictable and machine-like is a positive development?

    I understand you, as I too long for a much more “normal” time that I remember from my youth about life in the 1950’s and 1960’s. But it’s all gone, only really available from conversations with friends and family members that are still around

    USSR was not tribalist in my youth, quite the opposite and I have no nostalgia for the Soviet times. It wasn’t all that bad, some of it was good, but overall it paved the way for the future downfall. And I am certainly not nostalgic for the early 90ies, which were the logical outcome of the way the Soviet nomenklatura managed the system starting from Stalin’s death.

    Humans, like other animals have certain environmental and behavioral requirements. You can only twist them so much before they end up neurotical and fail to have a meaningful existence and reproduce. We are (unfortunately ?) not that far removed from Calhoun’s rats after all…

  555. Bashibuzuk says

    Wasn’t Kiva an attested schizophrenic? As Ukrainian political trolls go, I prefer Igor Berkut. Berkut’s trolling was quite heavy. Unfortunate, he was arrested for (LOL) “separatism”…

    https://youtu.be/JCInqQFFGqs

  556. This is very well written but what I would like to hear from Goldman is what was he doing being once associated with Lyndon LaRouche who was LaRouche’s enabler and to what purpose.

  557. Bashibuzuk says

    what was he doing being once associated with Lyndon LaRouche

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2009/05/confessions-of-a-coward

    The critic Harold Bloom once argued that the characteristic American religion is a species of gnosticism, and I have good reason to believe it to be true, having spent some years—from 1976 to 1986—in a gnostic cult under the leadership of a man named Lyndon LaRouche.

    Was it all bad? In March 1984, Norman A. Bailey, then special assistant to President Reagan for international economic affairs, told NBC news that the LaRouche organization had “one of the best private intelligence services in the world.” The supply-side publicist Jude Wanniski—my future business partner—had introduced me to Bailey in 1981, when I ran the economics desk for LaRouche’s publications. Among my colleagues were several researchers who went on to distinguished careers. The Asia desk chief, for instance, was Dan Sneider, afterward a distinguished correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor and the San Jose Mercury, and now director of a university research institute. European economics was handled by Laurent Murawiec, now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute; the Middle East desk was headed by Bob Dreyfuss, now a regular contributor to the Nation, American Prospect, and New Republic; and the chief science writer was Jonathan Tennenbaum, a brilliant mathematician who had taught at the University of Copenhagen.

    We were all about thirty, and most of us were Jewish. The question, of course, is what were a group of young Jews doing in the company of a cult leader with a paranoid view of the world and a thinly disguised anti-Semitic streak.

  558. Blinky Bill says

    It doesn’t matter whether a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.

    To cross the river by feeling the stones.

    Hanging a sheep’s head while selling dog meat.

    https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1041350/life-expectancy-china-all-time.jpg

    https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1041851/china-all-time-child-mortality-rate.jpg

  559. AnotherTitus says

    There must be some kind of central planning for execution of such policies.

    Do you mean another one?

    https://covers.zlibcdn2.com/covers299/books/ab/a0/53/aba05365abe35fd446d6f83b149a32a2.jpg

    Udo Ulfkotte died in early 2017 before 57 years old.

    These days for truth, CNN turns e.g. to James Clapper, former NSA director, of US Congress perjury fame, who claimed NSA was not spying on US citizens, or to Andrew McCabe, former FBI director deputy, of Russiagate fame:
    https://www.image-share.com/upload/4164/114.jpg
    NBC turns e.g. to John Brennan, former CIA director, of US Senate-spying mendacity fame, and rabid TDS sufferer:
    https://www.image-share.com/upload/4164/113.jpg
    Facebook meanwhile finds its commissar in Atlantic Council’s Ben Nimmo:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/ben-nimmo-joins-facebook/

    Ben Nimmo is a nonresident senior fellow of the Atlantic Council ***, which pays the salaries of pro-NATO journalists and activists and is funded by the US State Department and military contractors like Raytheon & Lockheed Martin.

    For many more names of glowinthedarks-cum-msm-pundits look for e.g. a piece published by an Australian woman, which I won’t link because, being a woman, she couldn’t refrain from pathetic, accusatory, self-pitiful attentionwhoring. But this is nothing new, it’s just more overt now:

    In 1977 Carl Bernstein published an article titled ‘The CIA and the Media’ reporting that the CIA had covertly infiltrated the US most influential news outlets and had over 400 reporters who it considered assets in a program known as Operation Mockingbird.

    Long-time NED chief Carl Gershman – who in September 2013, less than six months prior to the coup that shifted Kiev’s political orientation, dubbed Ukraine “the biggest prize” for Washington – added that his organization was working with controversial opposition figure Svetlana Tikhanovskaya and her team “very, very closely.” In all, the agency bankrolled at least 159 civil society initiatives in Belarus, costing $7,690,689, from 2016 to 2020 alone.

    The team’s unguarded comments represent a rare public admission of the insidious, destabilizing role played by the NED – in 1991, its then-president Allen Weinstein acknowledged, “a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”

    Euroradio also repeatedly crops up in documents related to the Open Information Partnership (OIP), which is the “flagship” strand within Whitehall’s multi-pronged propaganda assault on Russia. Bankrolled by the FCDO to the tune of £10 million, the organization maintains a network of 44 partners across Central and Eastern Europe, including “journalists, charities, ***, academics, NGOs, activists, and ***.” One of the collective’s primary, covert objectives is influencing “elections taking place in countries of particular interest” to the FCDO.

    The classified files make clear the OIP has engaged in numerous astroturfing initiatives throughout the region, helping organizations and individuals produce slick propaganda masquerading as independent citizen journalism, which is then amplified globally via its network.

    For instance, in Ukraine, the OIP worked with a 12-strong group of online ‘influencers’ “to counter Kremlin-backed messaging through innovative editorial strategies, audience segmentation, and production models that reflected the complex and sensitive political environment,” in the process allowing them to “reach wider audiences with compelling content that received over four million views.”

    https://www.rt.com/russia/524296-western-meddling-belarus-power-change/

    During the call, Nina Ognianova, who oversees the NED’s work with local groups in Belarus, outlined the wide-ranging programs the agency bankrolls in the country, insisting that “a lot of the people who have been trained by these hubs, who have been in touch with them and being educated, being involved in their work, have now taken the flag and started to lead in community organizing.”

    https://www.rt.com/russia/523956-regime-change-belarus-prank/

    The file, rampant with obvious disdain for the identity of the Baltics’ Russian minority, defines “soft power” as “the ability to affect others through the co-optive means of framing the agenda, persuading, and eliciting positive attraction in order to obtain preferred outcomes.”

    It also outlines a five-step behavioral change program for targets…
    https://www.rt.com/russia/517325-exposed-uk-russian-baltic/

    https://telegra.ph/OP-HMG-Trojan-Horse-Part-4-Undermining-Russia-I-02-04
    (You can ignore the occasional hacker-known-as-4chan tone, focus on the content, and keep in mind Ulfkotte’s lesson and Weinstein admission.)
    https://i.imgur.com/ONffVEH.jpg
    You can mentally add the missing “euphemism quotes” (e.g. “independent”, “balanced”, “plurality”, enemy “disinformation” vs. own “information”, etc.)

    Do you like their methods? Local Radio stations, Russian social networks VK & OK, Stand Up comedians, digital search optimisation, democracy festivals, on demand services, content factory. That’s where they merge with EXPOSE: rebranding, black propaganda operation.

    https://i.imgur.com/KJNBgt4.jpg

    The British Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office officially says that CDMD [Bullshit & Media Development Program] is a national security issue (i.e. it’s in the intelligence services’ field of operations). OIP [Open Information Partnership] is a part of CDMD.

    https://i.imgur.com/Q8gn9zI.jpg
    “Independent” media and “influencers” who they “coach” and support (i.e. are dependent on them):
    https://i.imgur.com/uaFAIRF.jpg
    Some names previously mentioned around here:
    https://i.imgur.com/NYck6tQ.jpg
    https://telegra.ph/OP-HMG-Trojan-Horse-Part-4-Undermining-Russia-III-02-04
    “Inclusion”, “””gender”””, “equality”, “empowering”, …, these terms sound familiar. British Council’s Theory of Co-option-based program for developing networks of influence in the russian near-abroad:
    https://i.imgur.com/WJEET8Z.jpg
    https://telegra.ph/OP-HMG-Trojan-Horse-Part-4-Undermining-Russia-IV-02-12
    Hey is that Ben Nimmo dude again, also someone called Ashurkov:
    https://i.imgur.com/bvlOosz.jpg
    Does the name Steele ring any bell?
    https://i.imgur.com/7Vihr6m.jpg

    Reuters, another contractor for the British FCO, and partner in OIP, training “online influencers”, bloggers, and whorenalists to display proper “””western values”””:
    https://i.imgur.com/XnRacMH.jpg
    BTW, Reuters was already a British intelligence contractor during Soviet times:

    A series of official documents declassified in January 2020 revealed that Reuters was secretly funded by the British government throughout the 1960s and 1970s to assist an anti-Soviet propaganda organization run by the MI6 intelligence agency. The UK government used the BBC as a pass-through to conceal payments to the news group.

    The revelation prompted a Reuters spokesman to declare that “the arrangement in 1969 [with the MI6] was not in keeping with our Trust Principles and we would not do this today.”

    The Trust Principles outline a mission of “preserving [Reuters’] independence, integrity, and freedom from bias in the gathering and dissemination of information and news.”

    In its own statement of values, the BBC proclaims, “Trust is the foundation of the BBC. We’re independent, impartial and honest.”

    However, the newly leaked documents analyzed by The Grayzone appear to reveal that both Reuters and the BBC are engaged yet again in a non-transparent relationship with the UK’s foreign ministry to counter and undermine Russia.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-office-russian-media/

    Also, some of these EU/EE/Rus-targeted propaganda contractors were also set on Syria:
    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/23/syria-leaks-uk-contractors-opposition-media/

    And, as we learned, is not just “””independence””” and “””impartiality””” and “””inclusivity””” that those US State Department and UK FCDO agencies promote, but also literal sexual deviance:
    https://insomniacresurrectedcom.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/screenshot-2021-05-16-at-14.50.45.png

    The above implies that those “elites” clearly have means and opportunity to develop and implement such “central planning”. What about motive? Well, what do you think would be preferable as adversary or underclass for them? Normal people critical of the higher-ups and concerned with economic class, prosperity, and accountability (if I remember, after the 2008 financial collapse Iceland was the only country to have sent its bankers to trial), or a mass of conformist perverts, degenerates, and the mentally-ill apparently only concerned with corrupting and extinguishing themselves and their fellows?
    https://i.ibb.co/ngcCRLM/anti-bank-vs-bank-pro-poz.jpg

  560. songbird says

    Yesterday, 11 armed, militant blacks calling themselves “Moors” shut down a highway about 9 or 10 miles north of Boston, well into the suburbs. It shocked even me.

    But apparently, nobody was hurt, they were “spreading out” after a cop saw them pulled over and asked for their firearm permits.

  561. Here’s what I think, and at this point, what they probably also think:

    The US has become a meme state and a joke, whose continued existence should be only as an overly-pushed example in history books as what NOT to do. Forever.

    Maybe rename the whole American continent just for good measure.

  562. And here we get to the “good bit.”

    Why not modify those requirements instead? Perhaps work for their elimination altogether. This gets us to a bit of a “loss of humanity” problem, but only if you are a “conditional humanist” who goes to define what a human is in the first place, instead of going full Chad and saying “a human is a human” automatically turning humanity into an axiom.

    I’d also argue, that people already are quite predictable and machine-like, exactly due to those conditions and requirements. Know what makes them tick and you can predict them reasonably.

    We’re just complicated, and therefore harder to put into a scheme and quantify, but in time this will happen also. We are already very machine like and predictable.

  563. YetAnotherAnon says

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9749569/Ex-Army-Captain-White-Helmet-fell-balcony-talking-wife-coroner-rules.html

    Lots of info here I didn’t know

    Le Mesurier, left, and his wife Emma Winberg…

    Mr Le Mesurier was born in Singapore and rose to be a lieutenant-colonel and commandant of the Royal Marines.

    He joined the Queen’s Belfast Officer Training Corps before leaving the cadets to study international politics and strategic studies at Aberystwyth University.

    The solider moved to Sandhurst, Berkshire, where he won the Queen’s medal for character and leadership in 1993.

    He served in the Royal Green Jackets in Kosovo as a young captain before joining the UN mission as an adviser. He left the Army in 2000.

    Mr Le Mesurier spent five years in the UAE at security firm Good Harbour then moved to Syria and set up the not-for-profit Mayday Rescue – leading to the White Helmets.

    The death of an ex-Army captain behind the Syrian ‘White Helmet’ volunteers cannot be ruled a suicide because there is ‘not enough’ evidence, a coroner has found.

    I’d like to have seen the timeline. Guy’s obviously a spook of some kind, presumably MI6.

  564. Mr. Hack says

    Normalizing human behavior sounds like a positive development

    What makes you think that humans becoming more predictable and machine-like is a positive development?

    You’re the one who originally pointed out that “Postmodern way of life is corroding through cultural differences and normalizing human behavior.” not I. I was only pointing out that “normalizing human behavior” sounds like a good thing, not a bad thing?

    For you a better time was from the past when human society was based more on familial and tribal ties, for me it was from a supposedly more ideal time in my childhood. I never meant that for you too, it should be from your childhood. I was probably more fortunate for my childhood, growing up in a better country than you did. I hope that your new life, wherever it takes place, is a very good one.

  565. YetAnotherAnon says

    More here that I didn’t know – if indeed any of it’s true. Trouble with that world is knowing what to believe.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-56126016

    With the setting sun reflecting in the water and the lights of Istanbul twinkling on the horizon, the wedding guests sat around lantern-lit tables: diplomats from several countries, military officers, journalists and activists who had flown in from around the world to see James Le Mesurier get married.

    The woman he was marrying, Emma Winberg, once worked for the UK Foreign Office but had latterly been helping him manage the White Helmets. She was his third wife.

    Digging into his past it seems that at one point Le Mesurier did want to be a spy. After leaving the army he applied to join MI6 and – on paper at least – he looked a perfect fit. He aced the application process, but he was turned down at vetting; it took him months to recover from the disappointment.

    There’s a lot more here – a whole lot more. Among which I note that the UK Ambassador to Syria 2003-6, Peter Ford, “argues that the Syrian revolution was instigated by Western governments with the intention of toppling President Assad. He has also made it clear he believes the BBC was commissioned “by Le Mesurier’s handlers” to whitewash the White Helmets.”

    Anyone found and spoken to wives #1 and 2 ?

    UPDATE – I don’t think he could possibly have been “a lieutenant-colonel and commandant of the Royal Marines” – I think the Mail writer in my previous comment was getting him mixed up with his dad.

  566. songbird says

    I’m not sure that the human meet up with archaics was all that different from ancient humans meeting each other. That is, when you consider that they were fighting over the same ecological niche, at a low population density. The presumed level of killing may have been about the same as analogous meet-ups of ancient human hunter-gatherers, especially if you consider the probable reduced fertility of hybrids.

    Were Neanderthals and Denisovans “pwned?” No more so than the mainland Andamenese or Dorset, or many other groups, lost to history.

  567. Mr. Hack says

    Mayv that’s why he appeals to Mikhail? 🙂

  568. Bashibuzuk says

    Why not modify those requirements instead? Perhaps work for their elimination altogether.

    Because it might be biologically impossible. Because humanity might have biological limits. That’s where the posthuman part fits in. If someone would be able to thrive in the posthuman future, then one would most probably not be human anymore.

  569. sudden death says

    Those deaths can easily be old deaths or otherwise that is close to their life expectancy.

    What is even the point of debate here, as nobody is arguing that lion’s share of deaths are people over 65 y.o? Just some seem to think that is ok to abandon old people dying (cause less pensions to pay), but the more you let the virus to roam freely the bigger the possibility of more lethal strains and we may finally get to the point of fuckup where somebody gets MERS and SARS-ncov2 at the same time and a mutant straint with mortality of MERS and infectivity of SARS2 may arise.

    The initial justification for lockdowns is to slow the spread in order not to overwhelm hospital capacity. It’s now (or that of lingering restrictions) minimizing transmission at all cost.

    At least Moscow is having now lockdown in RF and that is what helps to ease the load on hospitals somewhat, wasn’t following closely RF all the time, but guess there was some sort of lockdown in winter too during the peak of previous wave.

  570. Triteleia Laxa says

    UPDATE – I don’t think he could possibly have been “a lieutenant-colonel and commandant of the Royal Marines” – I think the Mail writer in my previous comment was getting him mixed up with his dad

    That article is mixed up in many ways. He had been an Army officer, who left at Captain, not a Royal Marine.

    I also see no reason to believe that he was a spy. His career after leaving the Army is not uncommon and his death followed strong allegations that his foundation’s finances were mishandled.

    The White Helmets were not a military organisation. That is just silly propaganda, which makes no sense. Military organisations need to do a lot of training and fighting, not pretending on cameras to be something else. There is no point in that at all. It is not only the US, obviously, which conducts propaganda.

  571. Morton's toes says

    LaRouche looks to me like a CIA op. It is very unusual to see a collection of journalists like that polished, educated, and well-dressed. They look like they are very well paid and the employer is selective in recruitment. There is not a high probability that they can afford that with only the income stream from selling publications and seminar tickets. Maybe some rich guy like Rockefeller or Mellon funds them as a side project like the Kochs do with the Reason magazine crew but that is rare to be anonymous. In any case who is paying is a fascinating question. Some of their material is really top notch. Some also is utterly whacko and watch out for that stuff that is only one milimeter on the boundary between them.

    That article on Xi and Faust is really great!

    By whatever means necessary,
    Find masses upon masses of workers,
    Inspire them through reward or severity –
    Pay them, entice them, conscript them!
    I want daily reports on how far the excavations have extended.

    Motivated hard working little guys can do great things like build Hoover dams and Golden Gate bridges and this is something which I think we could use a lot more of. People on unz.com rag on Mexicans all the time for stealing jobs but the Mexicans I see are hustling and I would rather hire a Mexican than an Anglo at this point although the manager school at Harvard will tell you no difference and the only thing that matters is the right process for the interchangeable worker guy and who in hell could possibly care what he is thinking?

    If you care about inspired accomplishment you would care a lot. If that is Xi’s secret then good for him.

  572. Girkin arrived within days of the disturbances

    So, you are finally acknowledging that he arrived after the uprising started. That’s my point. Thanks.

    Girkin arrived within days of the disturbances, which would have ended without the participation and flow of weapons, volunteers, and experienced leaders from Russia as they ended in those parts of Ukraine that did not experience such Russian intervention.

    It would have ended with a massive and bloody repression by the Porky’s regime. Well, he tried but, fortunately, his hordes were defeated.

  573. Keeping in mind the author of that piece has it especially in for that guy, while nevertheless acknowledging such behavior evident in the Ukrainian body politic.

    On par with the staged visit of Yanuk’s mansion, but not the oligarchs who went against him.

    This is indicative of a healthy population which distinguishes between a suspect government and the many living under it:

    https://twitter.com/jonnytickle/status/1411411394470293511

  574. Philip Owen says

    The key event in the Donbass uprising was pay for “rebels” rising to $100 a month. Up to that point Girkin had recruited only 70 locals. Pay went up as he retreated (PR about bank robberies was generated to explain it). Recruitment rose strongly. Mostly men over 40 who had been long term unemployed.

    Another pivotal event was the interior minister in Kiev, I forget his name, sacking all 15,000 police in the area. Malofeev and others then provided funds to reemploy them on the other side. Armed and organized and at least in PR terms local members of the 25,000 strong army. Even Borodai said 9,000 of the army were Russian.

    Volunteers from Saratov reported a variety of payment methods for those joining Russian units. $300 a month, $100 a fighting day, $1000 a dead Ukrainian. Only those with recent military experience were being accepted at these rates of pay. And then the 2000 Cossacks doing it for nothing. There were also Russia regulars on indefinite Leave of Absence or indeed, Absent Without Leave. I have discussed the tank repair sergeant I met before. I was told by a once senior Russian government figure that as many as 16,000 Russian army officers and NCOs were on charges for handing over or selling equipment at an early stage.

  575. Philip Owen says

    Ukranian is a nationality in its own right. Russian imperialists struggle with this idea, not Ukrainians whatever language they speak.

  576. Philip Owen says

    I get my records by asking the senior nurse for a printout.

  577. YetAnotherAnon says

    “The White Helmets were not a military organisation. “

    Never said they were. Please criticise what I write, not what I don’t.

    “I also see no reason to believe that he was a spy. “

    His organisation produced gripping narratives which were uncritically amplified by Western media and which just happened to fit with the propaganda needs of the US/UK foreign “policy” agenda.

    That agenda being to trash any and every country in the Middle East or North Africa which was relatively independent and relatively functional.

    Iraq was trashed on false pretences, no WMDs. Neither Bush, Blair or any of their enablers have found themselves in the dock at the Hague. Country is still dysfunctional nearly 20 years on.

    In Libya they funded the colour revolutionaries of the “Arab Spring”, then US/UK air power killed Gaddaffi, perhaps the best ruler Libya has had, and wrecked the country. Still wrecked AFAIK.

    They knew after those two disasters (for the people – not for the policy, which has been very successful in terms of the agenda above) Libya would be a hard sell. So we heard all about the “barrel bombs” (identical to those used on Germany in WW2), the “gas attacks”, David Cameron’s “moderate Islamists” aka al Quaeda Mk II, the poor children in Aleppo (“no-fly zone NOW!”), and the heart-wrenching videos of the White Helmets.

    I’m still amazed that the Aleppo propaganda campaign around Christmas 2015 failed – it was on all news media 24/7. But Obama, burned by Libya, wouldn’t move without the UK, and Labour leader Ed Miliband voted against air strikes, joined by Tory rebels.

    Chances of him not being placed by MI6* – less than 5%
    Chances of him not being funded by UK/US – zero

    • talking of which – what’s Rory Stewart up to these days?
  578. Give the Soviet Union 2 warwater coasts too far away for anybody serious to invade,its direct neighbours completely disinterested in invading it, big powers not trying to sabotage it or harm its international trade policies, and no catastrophic loss of 28 million people from Nazi invasion…….then it should be clear to you what a ridiculous comparison it is to make of the inspirational Soviet Union with the worst excesses of the vulture-like, narcissistic American so-called capitalism

  579. Not Raul says
  580. Not Raul says

    Don’t believe him.

    Goldman/Spengler lies about his time in the LaRouche Org.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20090725142129/http://lyndonlarouche.org/goldman.htm

  581. Bashibuzuk says

    Well… These were the times!
    Goldman had quite a colorful youth it seems.
    Today he is the epitome of a pro-Israeli enthusiast.

  582. Morton's toes says
    1. Fascinating.
    2. Do you know who this DK fellow is? That website is gone.
  583. Thanks. This is mostly about antisemitism of LaRouche and Goldman not being fully honest about it.

    Goldman himself indicates that he should not be believed by bringing up what Heine said about Rousseau memoirs.

    What remains unexplained is the intellectual attraction of LaRouche cult that so many bright and talented Jews like Goldman were involved in it and stayed with it when LaRouche made ideological turns from the Left to the Right and when it was undeniable anti-semitic. Apparently Goldman was not offended by it and he must believed in the truth of the anti-semitic allegation such as Jewish bankers, Elders of the Zion and so on. So, what was holding the cult together? And most importantly where did the money come from? And finally who was behind pulling the plug in late 1980s?

    Clearly the general framework of the outlook on history expressed here:

    And LaRouche makes clear again and again in his writings that he believes the historical concealment of the oligarchical and humanist programs was pragmatically motivated and that the philosophical beliefs of the two camps were rooted in these pragmatic considerations. The oligarchical elite covered up its program in order to avoid being overthrown by the masses, while the humanist elite disguised its own counter-program in order to avoid political repression by oligarchy-controlled or oligarchy-influenced regimes.

    is appealing and can be made to fit many great scenarios. All what you need to do is to fill it up with characters and as it is in conspiracy writing it often amounts to the litany of names in the six-degree-of separation connection but at the same time it can also be true.

    I have never read much what was coming from LaRouche apart from Executive Intelligence Review when it pertained to some underreported current events by the main stream media. But probably the most interesting and at the same time most kranky were LaRouche rumination on the conflict and differences between British and Continental (chiefly German) philosophy and science. Still in the noughties I was encountering the peddlers and proselytizers of it (though the name of Larouche was always deeply hidden) who would swamp scientific conferences with brochures and were willing to talk about Leibniz vs, Newton and the catenary curve. Myself being convinced that the British narrative that dominates philosophy and modern science and is populated with British heros is skewed I was glad to see that somebody was trying to restore some balance. Goldman still in his piece on Xi and Goethe’s Faust says that the genius of Goethe is not rightfully appreciated in the English world. Bad translations can be the reason but perhaps there is more to it.

    What got my attention about Goldman when he still was Spengler was his preoccupation with Catholicism which he admired but at the same time considered underdeveloped and still pagan by not embracing Judaism as Protestantism did. This is one reason why he keeps pushing Jewish theologian Franz Rosenzweig who at some point in his life flirted with conversion to Catholicism. Note that Goldman is a senior editor in First Things that once was conservative Catholic publication.

  584. Triteleia Laxa says

    That agenda being to trash any and every country in the Middle East or North Africa which was relatively independent and relatively functional.

    I don’t think the facts fit your allegation at all. Rather than moving on from Iraq, after successfully trashing it in a month, to trash other places instantly, the US stayed for decades at enormous expense.

    His organisation produced gripping narratives which were uncritically amplified by Western media and which just happened to fit with the propaganda needs of the US/UK foreign “policy” agenda

    There was no lack of Syrians who stood against Assad; and any number of those many millions could be counted on to exaggerate Assad’s brutalities in order to gain international sympathy for overthrowing him.

    It is bizarre to think that the White Helmets were created as part of a secret plan to do what you could do with just a camera with a civilian on any street corner in Aleppo.

    I’m still amazed that the Aleppo propaganda campaign around Christmas 2015 failed – it was on all news media 24/7. But Obama, burned by Libya, wouldn’t move without the UK, and Labour leader Ed Miliband voted against air strikes, joined by Tory rebels.

    Yes, Ed Miliband stopped Libya-style intervention in Syria. He seemed like a decent, if mostly hapless, man. I was disappointed that Cameron thought they would be a good idea.

    I wasn’t surprised when that campaign failed though; as it had become clear by that point that, even given the assumptions of liberal egalitarianism, such interventions did not results in humanitarian gains. My lack of surprise was because I did not see these interventions as anything other than what they were mostly sold as, grand schemes to turn benighted countries into post-WW2 German-style economic and democratic miracles.

  585. Philip Owen says

    In 1967 I was in Northern Idaho at a scout jamboree where the temperature reached 120 F (49 C). There are just more thermometers working all day now.

    for about 5 weeks a year, Arctic latitudes get more solar radiation than the equator due to longer days. Days at 35 C are not unusual.

  586. Girkin arrived within days of the disturbances

    So, you are finally acknowledging that he arrived after the uprising started.

    Relatively small disturbances, protests, and mob violence are not an armed uprising nor a military conflict. Try to be honest, I know it’s hard. Direct Russian involvement created the military conflict.

    Remember, you dishonestly claimed that Russia ” let the uprising in Donbass to go more or less spontaneous.” No, Russia poured in volunteers and weapons, and provided the leadership. It was not “spontaneous.”

    Girkin arrived within days of the disturbances, which would have ended without the participation and flow of weapons, volunteers, and experienced leaders from Russia as they ended in those parts of Ukraine that did not experience such Russian intervention.

    It would have ended with a massive and bloody repression by the Porky’s regime. Well, he tried but, fortunately, his hordes were defeated.

    Like in Kharkiv and elsewhere where Russia didn’t get directly involved? Or March 6 when the Ukrainian government took back some buildings in Donetsk that protestors had seized, before the Russians got involved and created a war? Did anyone die in that operation?

    Meanwhile in Donbas, after Russia directly intervened and made possible a sustained armed conflict, thousands of people have died. You were unaware of that? Are you really as ignorant as you are dishonest?

  587. AnonfromTN says

    Perfect logic. Banderite enablers Nazis used it: blamed guerrilla fighters for mass murder of civilians by German troops and their lackeys in occupied territories.

    The great majority of civilians in Donbass were murdered by Ukie criminals. They used preposterous “explanations” for their war crimes from the get go. In 2014 alone they lied that they did not bomb central square in Lugansk, where they murdered and maimed several women and children; they “explained” the bombing of stanitsa Luganskaya (Cossack village near Lugansk) in 2014, where they murdered more than a dozen civilians (including a child) by “pilot error”, etc. Only their imperial patrons “believe” these lies, Donbass people on both sides of the front lines know the score.

  588. Another typically dishonest Sovok.

    blamed guerrilla fighters for mass murder of civilians by German troops and their lackeys in occupied territories.

    Show me mass hangings or mass shootings and unmarked graves of civilians in Donbas, anbd millions killed as Nazis did in occupied territories. Otherwise your comparison to Nazis is a lie.

    But you are hinting at something that is true. In Belarus, Soviet partisans identified villages that were neutral towards Germans. They deliberately ambushed German troops near such villages, in order to provoke German reprisals against those innocent villagers, thus turning the population in those villages anti-German. In this way 100,000s of Belarussian villagers were killed by Germans in response to partisan attacks. It was a very sick game they played with innocent lives.

    Russian guerillas did not operate in Kharkiv oblast. As expected, there have not been civilian casualties there.

    Since Ukrainian government operated in both Kharkiv (no civilian deaths) and Donbas, the variable that determined mass civilian deaths in Eastern Ukraine was Russian involvement and support.

    The great majority of civilians in Donbass were murdered by Ukie criminals.

    There were about 6 million people in Donbas. Are you claiming most of them were murdered?

    A total of 3,375 civilians have been killed. Most of them were killed because the rebels operate out of densely populated areas, essentially using civilians as human shields. Doing so is a war crime committed by the rebels. But getting civilians killed for one’s cause is a Soviet tradition (see above). There have also been cases of actual war crimes committed by Ukrainian troops (indiscriminate shelling). Both sides have thus committed crimes, but the bottom line is that if not for Russian involvement Donbas would have been as quiet and safe as Kharkiv.

    You got your own family out, but then support the guerilla war, that gets other civilians killed. Well, yours are safe, who cares about the others.

    Fortunately the Ukrainian government is much more humane than the Russian one and much more humane than Russia’s ally Syria. Remind me how many civilians were killed in the Chechen wars? It was far more than 3,375.

  589. Dissident says

    Hyperlink to “current Open Thread” in your stock starter post at top of latest thread
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-156/
    results in:

    We’re sorry. That page could not be found.

    ???
    ~ ~ ~
    Note to commenter AaronB:
    FYI, should you wish to post to the newly created AE Community Open Thread (that according to Ron Unz “will be restricted to the AE Community of approved commenters“), you should now be able to. Ron Unz replied to this request of mine by email with, “Okay, I think I fixed the problem.”

  590. Grahamsno(G64) says

    I enjoy your open threads and called you a troll just for the fuck of it.

  591. Try to be honest, I know it’s hard.

    Utmost example of psychological projection.
    First, I told “more or less spontaneous”. Second, more than half of your assertions are grossly biased. (For instance, you didn’t mention the bombardment of Lugansk square plenty of civilians while claiming that there was not repression in Kharkov. It was. You say that people of Crimea would have been left unscratched by Maidanut mob, but the “train of friendship” was sent to Crimea to harass people, and so on).
    I think you should take youre advise for yourself and reconciliate with the fact that Crimea and Donbass people doesn’t want to live in a “country” ruled by people that hate them.

  592. Mr Owen strikes again. What you described is basically how the West, including Great (formerly) Britain organises “revolutions” across the globe. At least the Russians learned their lessons. BTW I just love how Russian military, government and intelligence officials line up to supply you with all the details for your internet rants. A lucky man you are to have so many willing informers.

  593. Ah yes, the fact that many Russian speakers in the Ukraine look over to their brethren across the eastern border is something western trouble makers struggle with harder then even hardcore Ukrainian nationalists of the Lvovian-Galician type.

  594. First, I told “more or less spontaneous”

    Large amounts of volunteers and weapons from Russia, first PM and vice PM (latter with experience in Latvia and Transnistria), most effective military leaders all from Russia. This is not even close to making the military conflict “more or less spontaneous.”

    Typical Soviet approach to truth.

    you didn’t mention the bombardment of Lugansk square

    Relevance? That was the result of rebel military leadership choosing to place itself in a civilian building in the middle of a civilian area – clearly a war crime by rebels. Too bad the pilot was not as skilled as hitting his legitimate target, as Ukrainian intelligence was skilled at knowing that at the time of the attack the local military leaders were right inside that target.

    while claiming that there was not repression in Kharkov

    Check your honesty again. I claimed there was not mass deaths of civilians in Kharkiv. Remind me again, how many civilians died in Kharkiv (no Russian intervention) compared to how many civilians died in Donbas (intervention).

    The humane thing for Russia to do would have been to formally annex the separatist republics, or to leave those territories alone. But it chose bloodshed.

  595. Relevance? That was the result of rebel military leadership choosing to place itself in a civilian building in the middle of a civilian area – clearly a war crime by rebels.

    By doubting about the relevance of this bombardment, you are using the good old commie dialectics. It seems that your aversion to Sovok culture permeated so deep that force you to use the same rhetoric tricks. By the way, you are talking about an attack to “rebel military leadership” when you previously claimed that there was no a rebel military leadership because the was a Russian military leadership. First you should try to reconcile your answers between themselves in order to pass a test of logic. Afterward you may answer.

  596. I just saw this.

    Thanks for your efforts on my behalf Dissident!

    All the more appreciated as they were unsolicited.

  597. By doubting about the relevance of

    It is irrelevant to the topic of the spontaneity of the rebellion. I see in your dishonesty you are now feigning stupidity.

  598. …I did not see these interventions as anything other than what they were mostly sold as, grand schemes to turn benighted countries into post-WW2 German-style economic and democratic miracles.

    Really? They were only grand schemes to make the world a better place? You don’t say, who knew. Of course bombing people results in humanitarian gains, how else. I always start my charity by punching the priest.

    We are skeptical about all this humanitarian egalitarianism (?) – as you called it – and you explain that they were just bombing for humanity, to make an economic miracle. No other reasons, and definitely no spies – people do this stuff on their own, film on streets, get easy huge publicity, it happens every day. BBC wouldn’t lie, would they?

    There really is one sucker born every day…or you just play one here (actually, not very well). I wonder why.

  599. AnonFromTN says

    Nothing new: foxes always blame chickens they eat. Ukie war criminals, like criminals of all stripes, blame victims. Ukie army keeps committing obvious crimes (and often denies them). Just in May Ukie sniper murdered an old guy who stepped out to his own yard to feed chickens. In the same month Ukie drone operator dropped an explosive device on a playing child. As the sniper and drone operator saw exactly who they were targeting, both are criminals guilty of premediated murder. These are not unusual occurrences: Ukie occupational army regularly murders, maims, robs, and rapes civilians in Donbass.

    Naturally, in this game lies are par for the course.

    . In this way 100,000s of Belarussian villagers were killed by Germans in response to partisan attacks

    As a matter of fact, the worst atrocities in Belarus during WWII, including brutal murder of all residents of many villages, were perpetrated not by German troops (caring for the troops’ morale, Germans usually did not use their soldiers for the worst crimes), but by Banderite scum.

    the Ukrainian government is much more humane than the Russian one

    The Ukie government is a criminal enterprise and its army behaves accordingly. FYI, Chechen war was conducted by traitorous Yetsin regime, which was exactly as criminal as current Ukie regime. Thank goodness, Chechen wars stopped more than a decade ago. Donbass war will stop when Ukie criminals are properly punished.

  600. Triteleia Laxa says

    Really? They were only grand schemes to make the world a better place? You don’t say, who knew. Of course bombing people results in humanitarian gains, how else. I always start my charity by punching the priest

    Have you always struggled to see how most bad things are done from good intentions?

    Do you not recognise that, if Iraq had gone through a German-style democratic and economic miracle, starting in 2003, the world really would have been a much better place?

    Do you go to restaurants and, if they are missing your reservation, you assume they have something against you?

  601. It is irrelevant to the topic of the spontaneity of the rebellion.

    Thanks for proving that you use, as last resource, the good old commie rhetoric tricks. Like it or not, Donbass rebellion started just a few days after Crimea’s democratic referendum. And it happened without Russia’s intervention.

    I see in your dishonesty you are now feigning stupidity.

    Your ad hominem attack reveals your inability to obscure the time succession of events. As events are recorded; trying to invert the sequence of events is unsuccessful.
    Still you are unable to deny that the Donbass uprising started before the arrival of volunteers from all across the USSR (mainly from Russia), which in turn happened before Porky’s regime aggression.

  602. Have you always struggled to see how most bad things are done from good intentions?

    Oh, please, you really cannot be that naive. Good intentions are always and everywhere a self-identification. As in: “all my intentions are good, because they are good for me.”

    If you take what they say seriously they can do bad things ad infinitum. They are not stupid – they know and they lie. It has been done since our tribal days, people screaming “we good, they bad” as they attack for “their own good”. In their own minds it is probably a combination: a bit of soothing ideology combined with simple greed. Ideology and greed always combine.

    But if you believe it, it is hopeless to try to convince you. I call it it the mid-wit trap: smart enough to see what is going on, but not smart enough to do critical thinking.

  603. Morton's toes says

    That was chapter II of the propaganda. Chapter I was Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and it was a defensive war to disarm a madman. When no weapons of mass destruction were found then they had to improvise and they settled on inflicting constitutional democracy. This was the story of the mainstream press war criminal lapdogs for more than two years until it rolled into pulling out their hair about the quagmire.

    By the way antiwar.com has an article on the American embassy setup in Afghanistan for the withdrawl. They have a 30 acre campus in Kabul with 650 American troops and they still have fighting terrorism on their list of duties as they hunker down for the inevitable emergency evacuation when the Taliban gets real pissed off.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2021/07/02/pentagon-approves-new-embassy-based-military-command-for-afghanistan/

  604. Triteleia Laxa says

    I see that you realise that people are complicated, but they are ordinarily telling themselves the narrative that makes them “good”. What narratives do you tell yourself?

    I wonder if you realise that when someone imputes a simplistic narrative which makes a group of people they don’t know “bad”, that it says more about the imputer than it does the group of people. It is highly unlikely that one simple “bad” will be lurking in the immensity below their surface “good” intentions. It is even more unlikely that you will know what it is.

    Also, why did you not answer my question below?

    Do you not recognise that, if Iraq had gone through a German-style democratic and economic miracle, starting in 2003, the world really would have been a much better place?

  605. AnonFromTN says

    Do you not recognise that, if Iraq had gone through a German-style democratic and economic miracle, starting in 2003, the world really would have been a much better place?

    Let me rephrase this for you: Do you not recognise that, if there were no gravity, many unfortunate accidents would have been avoided, and the world really would have been a much better place?

  606. Triteleia Laxa says

    We are discussing if people were being sincere.

    Many people sincerely believe in liberal egalitarianism. The assumptions of which mean that Iraq should have gone like Germany post-WW2. This means that people who believed in liberal egalitarianism made perfect sense, from within their framework, in supporting the war.

    What is too f*cking hilarious though, is that people on Unz, rather than recognising that the Iraq war disproves liberal egalitarian assumptions, an ideology they desperately want to discredit, instead go on ever crazier and more paranoid rants about nonsense, becoming ever more fringe with each year that passes

    Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth, and then pretending that it is actually a trap sent from outer space!

    Imagine your friend says that drinking a bottle of vodka doesn’t get him drunk, so he drinks a bottle of vodka to show you, and is promptly wasted, but rather than you taking that as proof that you were right, you spend the next 20 years accusing him of replacing the vodka with water and of pretending drunkness as part of some nonsensical scheme to control the universe.

    You would be a complete cretin. With serious issues.

  607. Not Raul says

    Here’s another website with info on Dennis King.

    https://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/whois.htm

  608. Not Raul says

    I posted the image of the sun wanking, because I thought that forum fans would find it funny.

  609. Thanks for proving that you use, as last resource, the good old commie rhetoric tricks

    Your claim is as dishonest as your other ones. We were discussing the spontaneity of the military community conflict that began with the arrival of Russian soldiers and leaders such as Girkin in April, and you attempt to discuss the attempted bombing of some rebel military leaders in June.

    You are doing exactly what you falsely accuse me of doing, inverting the sequence of events.

    Donbass rebellion started just a few days after Crimea’s democratic

    There were protests but armed military conflict began when Russians came in.

  610. AnonfromTN says

    We are discussing if people were being sincere.

    My point is not whether those people were sincere (although $10 billion no-bid Halliburton contract unambiguously demonstrates how “sincere” they were). People who sincerely believed that Iraq could have become a “democracy” (whatever this means; is massive election fraud part of that description?) can belong only to two categories: 1) woefully ignorant; 2) clinically dumb.

  611. sudden death says

    That was the result of rebel military leadership choosing to place itself in a civilian building in the middle of a civilian area – clearly a war crime by rebels. Too bad the pilot was not as skilled as hitting his legitimate target, as Ukrainian intelligence was skilled at knowing that at the time of the attack the local military leaders were right inside that target.

    Just adding more context about this particular episode – the same morning way BEFORE the airstrike, “rebels” in Lugansk began the full scale military atttack on Ukraine state border security building which was located in living quarte of the city, they were shooting RPG’s from the top of living buildings, they were shooting from spaces between the buildings and so on. Airstrike was directed at the separatist HQ as a retaliation for the atttack because UKR didn’t want to strike the top of the living buildings in front of the stormed state border security building. It can be argued it was not right and not proportionate response or whatever but it was a city already at full scale war (not by Ukrainian initiative) at the moment of the airstrike.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_the_Luhansk_Border_Base

  612. Triteleia Laxa says

    You disagree with the precepts of liberal egalitarianism, but it is a lot of very smart and informed people’s ideology.

    Fortunately, intuition, not just ideology, also informs people’s decision-making, but for those who are drawn to clear, abstract “answers”, ideology will even persuade them into something as counter-intuitive as “Iraqis are just Swedes, but with a bad government.”

    Do you have an ideology?

  613. AnonfromTN says

    Do you have an ideology?

    I grew up in the Soviet Union, so I’ve been immunized against ideologies. Ideology makes you blind, and if you sincerely believe in it, it makes you stupid.

    There is such a thing as history: people change with different periods. These changes are real and inevitable, like gravity, whereas every ideology bears the imprint of the historic period when it emerged, and therefore is inapplicable to all other historic periods. Trying to impose representative democracy on Rome at the beginning of the 1st millennium would be as stupid and doomed to fail as trying to impose slave ownership on modern Sweden (excepting Somali immigrants – that would be just the thing for them). So, I repeat, people who believed that representative democracy could be imposed on Iraq in 2002 are either woefully ignorant or clinically stupid.

    Not to mention that liberal egalitarianism taken to extremes is remarkably stupid. It’s like salt in your soup: a small dose is good, a large dose makes it inedible.

  614. Triteleia Laxa says

    I’m don’t like the terms “woefully ignorant or clinically stupid”; but the rest makes sense.

    Ideologies are artificial structures. It is unlikely that they will better fit the world, as time passes, from when they were conceived; or where they were conceived.

  615. …when someone imputes a simplistic narrative which makes a group of people they don’t know “bad”, that it says more about the imputer than it does the group of people.

    Nonsense. You use the usual silly kindergarden level of reasoning. This is not about an “imputer“, whoever that may be, this is about easily observable behaviour. Simply observe what happens:
    – a big external bully comes in saying that bad stuff is happening in a particular country
    – they blow up the place to smithereens claiming that will somehow lead to a “miracle”
    – it doesn’t, the situation afterwards is much worse than before
    – this repeats again and again with the same result
    Laxa comes in and says that “well, the intentions were good, too bad it didn’t work out”.

    This is dangerous nonsense. Any rational observer has to question the stated motives. You take them at face value. I don’t believe anyone can be that naive. Nothing in the execution of the humanitarian bombing suggests that anything but wanton destruction is the goal – chaos, fragmentation, economic collapse. You don’t blow up infrastructure and whole cities if you plan an “economic miracle”. This is not WWII, another bad analogy. Any rational person would conclude that what happens is what the serial bully (West in this case) wants.

    Your question about “if Iraq…” is too removed from reality to seriously consider. Nothing in US and UK actions suggested any desire to make Iraq an economic miracle. If you still believe the nonsense that the cornered empire-builders used to excuse themselves, you truly are incredibly naive. Or worse.

  616. Triteleia Laxa says

    They didn’t just leave though, did they?

    Also, below is the third time asking the same question. Will I get an answer or will I just get some more after-dinner, whiskey-soaked bluster?

    Do you not recognise that, if Iraq had gone through a German-style democratic and economic miracle, starting in 2003, the world really would have been a much better place?

  617. Philip Owen says

    It was only necessary to pay attention to the news (in Russia) and fill in some details by direct conversations with participants. And yes, at the time I had a contact at very high level.

  618. Philip Owen says

    I live in a bilingual society and I don’t believe you. English speakers here are not English by culture.

  619. …if Iraq had gone through a German-style democratic and economic miracle, starting in 2003

    You can’t wish your way out of this one. It would be like throwing a person out of a chopper and then claiming that “if he would just quickly learn how to fly, he would be ok“. US and Uk didn’t go to Iraq (or Syria, Libya, Kosovo, Ukraine) to build an economic miracle. Your question is truly moot, as if in desperation you are trying a deus-ex-machine miracle solution.

  620. Philip Owen says

    Lugansk Square would have been a war crime whatever happened. Allegedly, the Lugansk leadership was meeting a very senior Russian, probably Surkov and the Ukrainians tried to assassinate him. Even if they had hit the target many civilians would have died. I don’t think killing Surkov would have stopped the insurgency. From where I stand it was driven by the Stavka not the politicians. Mikhail Yuriev (last heard of bankrupt in Canada) wrote a book describing the whole operation in 2004 or 2005. “The third Empire. Russia as it should be”. The assessment was 80,000 men infiltrated into Ukraine to take New Russia. In the end they attacked with 10,000 + 15,000 locals mostly police. The 2005 assessment in the book proved right.

    The next stage, after the EU surrendered en bloc was to nuke the UK. After that Israel gets assisted to ethnically cleanse Jordan. A canal is dug around the borders with nuclear weapons and all the Jews of Russia and Ukraine move there. One might almost think the Stavka was run by near Nazis. It starts with an insurgency into New Russia.

  621. Triteleia Laxa says

    Hitler didn’t want to leave Germany utterly destroyed. I believe he was sincere in wanting Germans to be better off; but he left millions of its citizens dead and the country in ruins.

    It isn’t a hard question, even if you really don’t want to answer it, but fourth time lucky!

    Do you not recognise that, if Iraq had gone through a German-style democratic and economic miracle, starting in 2003, the world really would have been a much better place?

    The answer is “yes”, combined with the fact that liberal egalitarianism predicts that this is what should have happened, and that the people prosecuting the war were strongly ideological liberal egalitarians, you have a straightforward motivation.

    It would be weirder if liberal egalitarians with that kind of power had never tried projects like Iraq.

  622. …The answer is “yes”, combined with the fact that liberal egalitarianism predicts that this is what should have happened…It would be weirder if liberal egalitarians with that kind of power had never tried projects like Iraq.

    Ok, so you assume that the likes of Blair-Allbright-Bush-Cameron were just a band of dangerous ideological fanatics. And that they had no choice in the matter being driven entirely by their faith and the fact that they had the power to do it.

    As unlikely as that is, for the sake of argument I will take it at face value. Wouldn’t we then expect a sort of a Marshall Plan that would accompany the bombing? Maybe even some rebuilding of the infrastructure? Wouldn’t we expect that once being disappointed in their expectations they would talk about it, possibly even repent? No economic miracle, shouldn’t the ideologues hold themselves accountable?

    Given that none of that happened I am very skeptical that was the case. It was – and clearly still is – a cover story.

    Regarding what Hitler wanted for Germany (a very faulty analogy as are almost all Hitler analogies): he wanted a strong, prosperous large Germany that would obtain lebensraum in the East and acquiescence in the West. The eastern lebensraum was his key dream and he failed miserably in it once Russians took Germans to pieces. It ended up in an exact opposite of what he wanted – much smaller Germany and no sovereignty. Most observers would assume that Hitler died a rather unhappy man. But are you comparing the liberal fanatics of recent years to Hitler? There are some similarities, but we are not there yet. Given enough time who knows…but I suspect the cover story will stay the same.

  623. Triteleia Laxa says

    The amount of money spent trying to stabilise Iraq is obscene. That effort was about a thousand times bigger than the one of simply dismantling Saddam’s state.

  624. AnonfromTN says

    The amount of money spent trying to stabilise Iraq is obscene.

    Who got the money? $10 billion no-bid Halliburton contract was not the only one. A bunch of greedy cynical profiteers appropriated lots of taxpayers’ money. That’s ideology, all right: ideology of greed. There is no crime those bastards won’t stoop to in order to increase their profits.

  625. Triteleia Laxa says

    That’s a tiny percentage of $2 trillion. There’d be much easier ways to funnel money to Haliburton, if that was the aim. Creating nonsense government contracts is the easiest thing in the world. Hell, they could have just given Halliburton $2 trillion to attempt to “close the gap”.

    Many, many Iraqis got extremely rich from US money. It was handed out in obscene sums. Iraqi GDP per capita went up almost four times from 2004 to 2008.

  626. Nothing new: foxes always blame chickens they eat.

    Can be applied towards Russia vis a vis Ukraine.

    You failed to address the issue at hand.

    Russia made no intervention in Kharkiv, where Kiev is in control. No large numbers of deaths there.

    Russia did intervene in Donbas. Afterwards, almost 4,000 dead civilians.

    Ukrainian government presence is a constant, but Russian intervention varies. Where Russia intervened, thousands of civilian deaths followed.

    Naturally, in this game lies are par for the course.

    Your confession.

  627. Lugansk Square would have been a war crime whatever happened. Allegedly, the Lugansk leadership was meeting a very senior Russian, probably Surkov and the Ukrainians tried to assassinate him.

    It was a war crime for the rebel military leadership to choose to place itself in a civilian area, in essence using the civilians as human shields. Their presence in that building made it a legitimate target by the Ukrainian military, provided they made an attempt for a limited strike. They did so – rather than bomb the entire downtown indiscriminately (clearly a war crime) they sent a plane to hit that particular building, at the time of the meeting. Unfortunately, they missile hit the adjacent square instead and killed 8 civilians.

    A Russian air strike in Syria killed 84 civilians and according to the UN this may have been a war crime. But maybe not. But the anti-Ukrainians are certain that the accidental killing of 8 civilians next to where Luhansk military leaders were meeting was definitely 100% for sure a war crime. And just like what the Nazis did in Belarus.

  628. Like all fools, they appear to have good intentions.

    But is that better? The trick is in the appear to part…

  629. As a matter of fact, the worst atrocities in Belarus during WWII, including brutal murder of all residents of many villages, were perpetrated not by German troops (caring for the troops’ morale, Germans usually did not use their soldiers for the worst crimes), but by Banderite scum.

    If I’m not mistaken, there was some Latvian input on that particular as well.

  630. Considering massive foreign interference in favour of Russia’s enemies it might have been considered too little too late or just barely enough. IF Putin had a little more guts (he still had plenty to go through with what he did) he would have said that he has a responsibility to protect the people there or something in the vein of western arguments for countless interventions.

    BTW I see considerable improvement: not so long ago you were picking up interesting info on public transport and now from friends in high places. I guess I should be impressed.

  631. I do not have an inner urge to convince you. What I wrote is a fact broadly acknowledged even by hardcore nationalists which of course worries them immensely and is the reason they sometimes erupt in hatred and violence towards their brethren. Anyway there is now a new open thread.

  632. AnonfromTN says

    Iraqi GDP per capita went up almost four times from 2004 to 2008.

    Last time I checked, it’s 2021 now. What happened to Iraq GDP in 13 years from 2008 to 2021?

  633. Triteleia Laxa says

    They gave up.

  634. AnonfromTN says

    Where Russia intervened, thousands of civilian deaths followed.

    Wrong. Russia strongly intervened in Crimea. Ukies did not manage to do anything there. The number of dead: zero.

    Lots of similar examples from Donbass. In 2014 Lugansk was shelled, with civilians killed and maimed virtually daily. Then freedom fighters pushed Ukie army so far from Lugansk that it could not shell it any more. Result: no more killed or wounded.

    General rule is simple: where Ukie army cannot reach, there are no civilian casualties. Where Ukie regime rules unopposed, like in Kharkov, there are hundreds of political prisoners, many of whom are tortured by the SBU, with only an occasional death. Concentration camp-style stability. Enjoy.

  635. Triteleia Laxa says

    The “appear to” part is best explained by your paranoia. The tremendous effort spent stabilising Iraq was the only thing that stopped them from demolishing Iran. This factually shows their priorities. It was stabilisation and building up, not demolishing.

    Against what actually happened, you only have a seemingly inviolable psychological need to demonise and feel like you know better.

  636. Where Russia intervened, thousands of civilian deaths followed.

    Wrong. Russia strongly intervened in Crimea.

    And in Donbas, though not strongly enough there.

    So Russian actions determine number of civilian deaths.

    No intervention, Ukraine is in charge, as in Kharkiv – almost zero civilian deaths.

    Strong intervention and annexation, as in Crimea – also almost zero deaths.

    Pouring in weapons, volunteers, leaders, as in Donbas – thousands of civilian deaths.

    So you can thank the Russian government and the adventurous Russian nationalist “Rambos” for the plight of your family and friends in Luhansk.

    In 2014 Lugansk was shelled, with civilians killed and maimed virtually daily.

    Indeed, the result of Russian intervention. Kharkiv, where Russians didn’t pour in weapons and fighters, wasn’t shelled.

    The West + Turkey + Saudi Arabia did the same to Syria, as Russia did to Donbas. But Poroshenko and Zelensky have been more humane than Assad.

    Then freedom fighters pushed Ukie army so far from Lugansk that it could not shell it any more.

    Luhansk is close enough to the front line that Ukraine could shell it, if it wanted to:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Map_of_the_war_in_Donbass.svg/800px-Map_of_the_war_in_Donbass.svg.png

    Where Ukie regime rules unopposed, like in Kharkov, there are hundreds of political prisoners, many of whom are tortured by the SBU, with only an occasional death. Concentration camp-style stability. Enjoy.

    Kharkiv is a concentration camp in Sovok thinking, lol.

    How many detained Ukrainian nationalists in Crimea and Donbas? Are those also concentration camps in your world?

  637. its hospitals would be significantly better.

    Well the buildings would be more externally shiny and monumentalist, for sure. A higher proportion of the budget would have been channeled into the construction industry.

    I am regretful to notice in my comment I had reflected the postsoviet obsession about buildings, by talking about the external appearance of hospitals. Although in defense, I’m not working in the medical sector, or having experience of medical care, so my impression of this topic is superficial and perhaps a bit useless.

    Even when there is adequate funding, which seems like the situation of the excellent healthcare system in the UK, Western mentality is often not prioritizing of the building.

    I’ve visited buildings of corporations in Western Europe, with similar incomes to Gazprom, that has a very modest appearance for their offices. Generally, a first priority for spending is often going on people’s salaries. Often, when corporations in the West have expended excessively on their building, it’s a sign they have way too much money to waste, and reached the limit of the marginal tax rates for their employees.

    That’s not to say we shouldn’t spend on making impressive buildings. Although in Russia, there are many reductio ad absurdum examples, such as Innopolis where constructing futuristic looking shiny buildings, with good wifi connections, along with recruitment of English speaking teachers from lower-level Korean and Italian universities – seems to have been a magical thinking voodoo substitute for building of an actually investment-attractive hi-tech industry area.

  638. And PET bottle industry, is another area benefiting from the need to deliver your water in plastic bottles.

    The problem in some cities of Russia, the tap water has been found chemicals like “trichloroethylene”. Across districts of a city, everyone might have been receiving such “free drugs” in their tap water, even they had been crazy enough to drink it.

    And the problem that if you did find out there was a problem, it would only be happening too late for you – as the information is discovered long after people were exposed.

    So there is a such an asymmetry, where it is better to be “100 times too cautious”, than “1 time not cautious enough”. Not that I have any illusions about my own health – I am sure I have been exposed to enough strange chemicals that I should have developed superpowers by now.

    • Western politicians like Trump, had been recently complaining about “deindustrialisation” and “rust belts”, as if it was some unique horror to live in the developed world, where they have outsourced their smog and carcinogens to the developing world.

    Of course, your body (and long term oncological status) will be much more thankful to live in the deindustrialized zones where “they don’t produce anything”.

    It’s not a co-incidence that intelligent families of the owners of the means of production in the nondeindustrialized zones, have historically so often live in the deindustrialized zones themselves.

    Friedrich Engels used wisely the profits from his father’s factory, to live on deindustrialized Primrose Hill, on the first house standing next to a green park in West London, where there was fresh air. Even with the narcissistic joy of living in a city named after you, I somehow doubt such a bourgeois German hipster would have enjoyed living as a working man in the city “Engels”, with its heavy industry and allegedly mediocre ecology.

  639. The fact in these developed countries with hospitals in the list (UK, Germany, Japan, France, Netherlands), you can have equal treatment, completely free, from elite doctors and nurses.

    I’m not disagreeing that America has one of the best private health services. But it’s not equally distributed.

    One indicator: ​mean medical doctor’s salary in the USA is around $300,000 a year, according to Google. By comparison, the mean medical doctor’s salary in Sverdlovsk region (one of the most key regions in Russia), is around $6000 a year.

    Between the two, there is a lack of desirability in both cases. In the USA, healthcare costs might risk to make a medical health service of the bourgeoisie – which reminds us of the novels about calling doctors in 19th century London; while postsoviet public health fell into an opposite extreme where the qualified medical doctors have now 3 times smaller salaries than the McDonald’s workers of the UK, and you’ll be worried to leave your relatives in the public health system.

    I’m not knowledgeable about the medical sector. Still it seems difficult to add up how such stereotypes of American healthcare can be completely wrong. For example, if doctors’ mean salary can be 5-6 times higher than the GDP per capita of the USA. There is an addition of the cost of the equipment, buildings, electricity, R&D. There is high level of privatization. In such a healthcare provision becomes rapidly unaffordable for vulnerable parts of the society, while those sectors have also less healthy lifestyles and therefore need more healthcare than the middle classes.

  640. While I know Russian doctors could be paid more, $6k per year or $500 per month really doesn’t sound very plausible to me, and indeed from a quick web search, I found that the average is 80,000 rubles or $1,100. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7711855 This is around 50% more than average salaries.

  641. The fact in these developed countries with hospitals in the list (UK, Germany, Japan, France, Netherlands), you can have equal treatment, completely free, from elite doctors and nurses.

    It would be equal and decent, but not equal to US treatment.

    I’m not disagreeing that America has one of the best private health services. But it’s not equally distributed.

    You would be surprised how lavish treatment is for American poor people. They don’t get preventative care (which would be cheap) but have very expensive procedures for free. Incredibly and stupidly inefficient of course. An elderly dirt poor black lady from Chicago’s South Side ghetto has a higher chance of getting a kidney transplant than does a middle class old British lady. But she would be more likely to have gotten to the point of needing that due to not seeing a physician regularly, or receiving other interventions, before she became very sick.

    Americans with the worst health care are not the extremely poor, who get free healthcare from the government, but the uninsured or underinsured lower middle class or working class.

  642. After losing an argument you predictably descend to ad-hominem silliness. “You know better?”, seriously? That is a rational point in what universe? Are you a kindergarden teacher?

    The insane preaching about “we could have demolished” shows that you have learned nothing. As I said, fools pretending that they have good intentions. If you by chance actually believe your own propaganda that doesn’t make it better – it would make it even more insane and criminal. Murder is murder no matter how you spin it.

  643. Triteleia Laxa says

    Actually, I see you conceded my point. They did not intend to destroy Iraq. They were sincere believing liberal egalitarians. Judgement is God’s, not yours, but if you need to assume that responsibility, please understand the difference between the “bad” you began by alleging and the “bad” you ended by conceding. It will make your worldview a whole lot less paranoid and a whole lot more effective and easy to communicate; because, it will be closer to the truth.

    You’re welcome. We got there in the end.

  644. doesn’t sound very plausible to me

    Well don’t argue with me, but with journalists write the articles that produces these claims in the media-space:
    https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/06/20/69980372/

    According to the journalists, the offered jobs of the doctors are 1/3 of what I can calculate to be the salary of the lowest level McDonald’s worker in the United Kingdom (i.e. fulltime hours with UK minimum wage), while they are paying multiple times more tax (UK has 0% income tax, for the first $18,000 of income), and likely experiencing worse conditions and working more hours (https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2019/08/27/66213214/).

    Of course, there is a non-pecuniary benefit that you are saving lives, rather than assembling hamburgers. But aside from some moral value, or intrinsic interest of the medical profession – many of their “careers” (if such a word can be associated with such a salary) are almost like a joke or parody.

    doctors could be paid more

    Two months of the proposed doctors’ salary Sverdlovsk region doctor job offers (according to journalists), can pay for a just usable level of budget notebook computer, that couldn’t operate much of the newest software used for many professions, or perhaps would not be sufficient to operate the newest software for hobbies like music (e.g. VSTs with lo latency).

    Currently, PlayStation 5 is more than a month of the salary, and doesn’t include any games. So you can barely save for Playstation 4, inbetween making the most significantly life-changing decisions for your patients, requiring years of professional training and knowledge.

  645. but with journalists write the articles that produces these claims in the media-space:
    https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/06/20/69980372/

    According to the journalists, the offered jobs of the doctors are 1/3 of what I can calculate to be the salary of the lowest level McDonald’s worker in the United

    Well to be fair medic is a more wide definition than a medical doctor, so the latter should be higher when you exclude the non-doctor-level medics.

    But their salaries of specialist medical workers/doctors’ job offers in Sverdlovsk region are indeed such a kind of range from the source, which is just crazy to think about it:
    https://hh.ru/vacancy/46032613
    https://hh.ru/vacancy/46032576
    https://hh.ru/vacancy/46032595

  646. Americans with the worst health care are not the extremely poor.. but the uninsured or underinsured lower middle class or working class.

    Surely, it’s better that the extremely poor receive medical care, than if they didn’t.

    But working and lower middle class people also require medical care, and moreover, may be a larger section of the population. So I’m not sure how this justifies the unequal situation of American healthcare, in comparison to other developed countries.

    Working and lower middle class people, are often operating the country’s most important jobs, and suffering health penalties for it. Industrial workers, cleaners, etc, are ultimately working more important jobs, than many of us in the middle classes. And they are ones who are more likely to have health consequences from their jobs.

  647. Surely, it’s better that the extremely poor receive medical care, than if they didn’t.

    Of course.

    But working and lower middle class people also require medical care, and moreover, may be a larger section of the population.

    I’d guess it’s about 10%-20% of the USA’s population, who fall through the cracks.

    Working and lower middle class people, are often operating the country’s most important jobs, and suffering health penalties for it. Industrial workers, cleaners,

    In the USA, working class or lower middle class people who work for large organizations (industrial workers, cleaners if they work for the government such as schools or for large organization such as hospitals) have good insurance through their employers.

    The ones who fall through the cracks are those who don’t make much money (but too much to qualify for free healthcare) and who work independently. A painter or roofer, someone who owns a small shop or works in one, an independent truck driver. Many of these are young and healthy and choose to gamble rather than pay for their own health insurance, which is more expensive than if one works for a large company or the government. But if they lose – they lose everything they own.

    Again, it’s about 10% to 20% of the population. This situation can indeed be tragic. But it’s inaccurate to generalize to the entire population based on these tragic examples. Most Americans experience better healthcare than do Brits.

  648. The heath care insurance companies operate on the principles of reducing expenditures and increasing profits. (They spend untold amounts trying to manage their clients lifestyle and pushing them in a healthier direction. It must work for them in a return on investment. Of course, a healthier lifestyle is a good thing.) Monopolist practices limit most Americans actual healthcare choices. For example, certain health plans will ally with a certain drug chain and you will be restricted to that chain for your prescriptions. One of the disfunctions with the response to Covid was that the health care industry was trying to cash in as much as possible while insurance companies spent a lot of effort trying to prevent others from making any money. For example, not approving payments to independent pharmacies for dispensing the vaccines.

  649. An American friend informed me (and it appears supported by stats) that west European countries including the UK and Germany do a FAR higher rate of hip and knee replacement operations per year than the US you absurd cretin

    Unlike you, I actually have an International Passport, so I can easily smell the instantaneous BS and attention-whoring when I read lamentable garbage as follows :

    An elderly dirt poor black lady from Chicago’s South Side ghetto has a higher chance of getting a kidney transplant than does a middle class old British lady

    Can ANYBODY corroborate this random garbage? LOL. Its also clear even more what a fantasist liar you about being a medic. You are in a complete non-position to make judgements on health system in UK, Ukraine, Russia and Western Europe.

    We’re all born with 2 kidneys, but can live with one – making kidney transplants different to other organs in that a very high proportion of the donors are living relatives of the receiver, because unlike a subhuman like you, most of us would donate for our parents, brothers or other relative. This fact makes differences in ease of getting kidney transplants in Western countries mainly negligible.

    In addition to this….. the UK performs kidney transplants at about same rate as US per year you dimwit – with Italy, Germany and Spain even higher. All that while providing much more preventative treatments (which are more than that anyway because faltering kidney condition could be linked to previously undiagnosed heart, liver or lung issue etc)

    Dialysis is managing of an existing kidney condition, not a preventative treatment. Unsurprisingly, your phantom “knowledge” does not extend in your BS post to relative comparatives of dialysis treatments.

  650. An American friend informed me (and it appears supported by stats) that west European countries including the UK and Germany do a FAR higher rate of hip and knee replacement operations per year than the US

    You should stick to what you know best: cleaning toilets in Manchester.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4551172/

    “The incidence of joint replacement procedures is high, with over 1 million total hip and total knee replacement procedures performed each year in the United States”

    https://www.njrcentre.org.uk/njrcentre/Patients/Joint-replacement-statistics

    “In England and Wales there are approximately 160,000 total hip and knee replacement procedures performed each year.”

    :::::::::::::::

    US population is about 5.5 times higher than that of England + Wales. So if England and Wales had a US population, the number would be 880,000.

    880,000 is less than 1,000,000.

    the UK performs kidney transplants at about same rate as US per year

    https://nhsbtdbe.blob.core.windows.net/umbraco-assets-corp/20032/kidney-annual-report-2019-20-final.pdf

    UK per year, 3,486 kidney transplants

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-number-39717-organ-transplants-in-the-us-last-year/2020/02/28/2f9c376e-5976-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html

    USA in 2019,”23,401 people getting a new kidney last year”

    So if UK had USA’s population, it would be about 19,000 kidney transplants.

    Not as extreme a difference, but still fewer than in the USA.

    :::::::::::::::

    Get back to your mop, gerard-who-fled Russia.