Are you an anti-Semite? Wonder no longer! Take the poll here: https://darussophile.polldaddy.com/s/are-you-anti-semite-adl
Am I an anti-Semite? The SPLC and RationalWiki both seem to think so. But there are also those who believe I am a hasbara shill, or even Jewish myself. Either way, I don’t appear to be a particularly enthusiastic philo/anti-Semitic propagandist – of the 1,200+ posts to date at my Unz.com archive, only about 15 are actually mainly about Jews (and I hope this will be the last one for some time).
Percentage anti-Semites according to the ADL (i.e. believe in 6+/11 of popular stereotypes about Jews).
Fortunately, the ADL has attempted to make at least a minimal attempt at quantification. You qualify as an anti-Semite if you answer Probably True to six or more of the following questions:
- Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/to the countries they live in]
- Jews have too much power in the business world
- Jews have too much power in international financial markets
- Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust
- Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind
- Jews have too much control over global affairs
- Jews have too much control over the United States government
- Jews think they are better than other people
- Jews have too much control over the global media
- Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars
- People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave
In this post I will try to systemically answer each of these statements, but before I finalize my excommunication from ZOG, there’s a couple of caveats that I wish to make.
First, many of these combine an observation – often a statistically correct one – with a normative judgment. Of course Jews have many more billionaires and elite journalists per capita than any other major ethnicity. Is this good or bad – or even more ambiguously, “too much”? Difficult to say. For a committed blank slatist, the answer should be “Probably True”. Hence, the “anti-Semitism” of the more honest and consistent Leftists. Then again, knowledge of race differences in IQ, and the correlation of IQ with economic success, explains most if not all of the residual. But even though it annuls many of the more extreme anti-Semitic arguments, this form of argumentation is itself racist – and ironically, it was overwhelmingly Jews, e.g. Franz Boas, Leon Kamin, Gould, Lewontin, etc. – to a degree disproportionate even to their IQ advantage – who developed the modern blank slatism that tabooed such perspectives (although I have mixed opinions about his work, I think Kevin McDonald demonstrates this pretty conclusively). In other words, it was the Jews themselves who torpedoed the single most succinct and powerful argument against anti-Semitism; hence, also, the “anti-racist” IQ denialism amongst some of the more overt anti-Semites. Very amusing and ironic.
Second, these are also all negative stereotypes and perceptions. There are many things one may admire in Jewry. For instance, it is pretty much impossible for any educated person not to hold a considerable degree of appreciation for Jewish cultural and scientific accomplishments. As a “Russian alt-right, white nationalist anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist”, I will also admit to a no lesser degree of appreciation for the Jews’ verbal IQ-powered political acumen – simultaneously running a nationalist regime in Israel that is the envy of the Alt Right and exerting an inordinate degree of influence over US foreign policy via the Lobby, while somehow managing to maintain a reputation for erudite, tolerant, progressivism. Although normies will consider this as more of a negative stereotype. Oops. There go the paradoxes, again.
But this does go to show how fluid the boundaries are. For instance, the South Koreans are highly anti-Semitic by the ADL’s schema, but it’s a sort of anti-Semitism through philo-Semitism: “The idea of emulating Jews in order to get ahead in the world has gotten other people’s backs up as well. On the blog +972, Mairav Zonszein wrote: “I can’t blame the South Koreans for being interested, and it is indeed a compliment of sorts—but it brings up a point that I have written about before: the fetishization of Jews, whereby singling Jews out for greatness is the same as discriminating against them or stereotyping them.””
Conversely, just as there is much to like and praise, there is also much to dislike and criticize in all peoples. On the pages of this blog I have made fun of the Amerimutt, the Britbong, the Eternal Kraut, Sweden Yes, and the Butthurt Belt of Europe. I have called for kebab removal and named the Mongoloids soulless drones. Paradoxically, I am also one of the most hardcore Russophobes out there; anyone who has read me long enough has probably figured out that I consider my own people to be no better than White Negroes. Probably the only ethnicity I haven’t called subhuman scum at some time or other are Gypsies – and only because it is so self-evident in their case. So bear this in mind before consigning me to the ranks of hardcore anti-Semites – I actually hate all ethnicities, to some extent. Except the Czechs.
So with these preliminary comments out of the way, let’s answer the ADL survey point by point.
1. Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/to the countries they live in]
The dual loyalties of the Jews is a popular stereotype, so much so that around a third of Americans and half of Europeans believe that they are more loyal to Israel than to their own country.
This isn’t just a goyim stereotype. Even America’s premier Jewish mag openly speaks of the “burden” of having one’s loyalties “inevitably divided” for Diaspora Jews. The Jews are themselves inordinately obsessed with this issue. For instance, several years ago, the Israeli immigration absorption and foreign ministries polled tens of thousands of Jewish Americans on where their loyalties would lie in the event of a crisis between Israel and the US. Unfortunately, this polling project was halted when it came to light, so as far as I know, we do not have any hard numbers on what Jews think themselves.
Israel, 1949. The world’s first Stalinbus. Now the Jews pretend they always hated Stalin, just like Balts like to think that they had nothing to do with Communists coming to power in Russia.
Historically, it seems to me Jewish loyalty was highly contingent on what best served Jewish interests (opposite example: Germans, who have tended to be remarkably loyal to their host countries, even when they were at war with Germany).
Consider Russian history. Jews were strongly hostile to the Russian Empire – Minister of the Interior Vyacheslav von Plehve estimated that 40% of its revolutionaries in the early 1900s were Jews. That said, I am not one of those people who ascribe the Bolshevik Revolution to Jews – the Bolsheviks were a predominantly ethnic Russian party, and it was the Balts, not Jews, who were instrumental in terrorizing central Russia into submission in the critical early months of the Civil War. Still, Jewish loyalty to the new, highly philo-Semitic early USSR soon picked up, and they ended up manning 40% of the NKVD for most of the 1930s and procuring Stalin the secrets of the atomic bomb from America – where WASP elites largely barred Jews from social (if not economic) advancement.
But as Brezhnev’s USSR instituted pro-majority affirmative action – which is all that late Soviet “anti-Semitism” amounted to – the Jews started joining dissident circles, emigrating, and lobbying for anti-Soviet sanctions in the US. Meanwhile, as America itself became a much nicer place for the Jews and the world’s foremost champion of Israel, the most visible face of Jewish political activism transitioned from Trotskyist internationalism to that weird form of Jewish-American nationalism called neoconservatism.
Today, Russia is one of Europe’s more pro-Israel countries, and according to the ADL, it is more philo-Semitic than almost any other East European nation. Putin’s daughter married a Jewish minigarch, just like Trump’s. Consequently, there are plenty of Jewish-Russian “conservative/patriots” types both in Russia – Soloviev (Shapiro), Khinshtein come to mind – and in Israel – Lieberman, Eskin, and even a few odd nationalists (mostly prominently the “son of a lawyer” Zhirinovsky, though he is half-Russian and does not identify as Jewish). Even so, Russia is in a new cold war with the United States, which is a much more dedicated – and powerful – champion of global Jewish interests, so Jews are likewise considerably overrepresented in the ranks of the Russian pro-Western liberal opposition (Khodorkovsky, half of the Echo of Moscow crowd) and massively overrepresented in the ranks of the Western Russophobes (Ioffe, Elder, Applebaum, Nemtsova, Weiss, etc). It is certainly telling that this resurgence of Jewish hostility came at just the point when Russia became something approximating a sovereign state, even if it is more philo-Semitic today than at any other point in its history since at least the 1920s.
Now obviously, the Jews don’t constitute a hive mind, and there exists a wide range of opinions among them, as Winston Churchill eloquently argued in his 1920 article Zionism vs. Bolshevism. Even so, it appears to me that Jewish practice of and rationalization of dual loyalty is central to their own view of themselves to an extent unseen with any other major people, and it has been that way since at least the age of the Pharaohs and ancient Babylonia.
So, that’s at least Probably True.
2. Jews have too much power in the business world
There is no question that Jews are massively overrepresented amongst the ranks of the world’s super-rich. They are the world’s “market dominant minority,” to borrow Amy Chua’s terminology.
Jews constituted 36% of the Forbes 400 in 2010, and 21% of the 200 richest Russians (down from 6/7 of the Semibankirschina oligarch cabal that as good as ruled Russia in the late 1990s).
In the meantime, they constituted about 2% of the US population, and less than 0.2% in Russia.
Source: Pumpkin Person – Does IQ explain racial differences in extreme wealth?
Note that this is something that Jews themselves talk about and are understandably proud of, though G-d forbid the goys notice.
Admittedly, a large (though far from total) percentage of this overrepresentation is crisply explained by higher Jewish IQ, and I have speculated that Mediterranean peoples – Greeks, Levantines, and yes, Jews – might be especially talented at making money, even relative to IQ.
However, as I have already pointed out, this is where progressive Leftism faces a major paradox – their dogmatic blank slatism precludes IQ-based arguments, while their postmodern relativism also rules out traditional conservative arguments ascribing Jewish success to superior culture, such as propensity for thrift, hard work, etc. Consequently, the only route left open to them is to go the full mile and ascribe Jewish economic success to, well, Jewish privilege. Hence why the more honest and committed – or more socially autistic – leftists, e.g. Corbynites and ethnic minority SJWs in the US, tend to veer into “anti-Semitism”, drawing the ire of neoliberal ZOG.
So it’s ultimately pretty hard to say. Although I was initially slightly inclined to say Probably False, the fact that a lot of this privilege-speak was developed by Jews in the first place annoys me and tilts me towards Probably True.
3. Jews have too much power in international financial markets
Obviously if Jews are overrepresented in the business world, then they will also be overrepresented in financial markets, since there is a great degree of overlap between these two spheres.
But there are a few critical caveats that make my assessment Probably False.
First, this question is largely an extension of the previous one, and I am averse to double counting – especially given the ambiguities I express on the last question.
Second, this question is too distinctly evocative of the Rothschild conspiracy theory, whereby the eponymous family cabal controls most of the world’s wealth and institutions along with the Rockefellers. This is complete nonsense. While the Rothschilds were Europe’s premier oligarchs in the 19th century, a century of inflationary defaults and dilution by inheritance have grinded them down, and today they constitute just a few small investment banks that are pretty much irrelevant next to the Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgans of this world.
Third, Israel is a minnow in global financial terms. Its stock market capitalization is less than 20% that of Switzerland’s, despite having similar populations.
4. Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust
This is not just Probably True – it is obviously, objectively true.
Source: PEW – What Does It Mean to Be Jewish?
I mean I don’t even fault them for it. I would probably go on about the Holocaust if I was a Jew myself.
Even pushing Holocaust denial laws serves Jewish ethnic interests by pushing extreme anti-Semitism to the margins and thereby reducing the probability of it getting repeated.
Note that Israel doesn’t rush to recognize other genocides – e.g., that of the Armenians. Then again, trying to maintain a monopoly on victimhood makes cynical sense.
5. Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind
This is just an absurd exaggeration of #1. Probably False.
Jews played a huge role in the US civil rights movement, and ultimately I don’t think it was wholly or even primarily driven by racial hostility to the majority European population. Charity is a constituent part of traditional Judaism, with Jews obligated to give up 10% of their income to the needy – and not all of that goes to other Jews.
The Jews might be more clannish than North-West Europeans, but not more so than typical Mediterraneans – and a great deal less so than Sicilians or Caucasians.
As the commenter MawBTW noted on Greg Cochran’s blog, Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky – one of the core people behind Effective Altruism, possibly the most inherently universalistic ideology out there – is one of the most Jewish Jews around: “Eliezer Shlomo Yudkowsky has a comically Jewish name and a comically Jewish face. He’s an atheist, but that’s a Jewish stereotype too. On the female side, you have Shula Firestone, who’s full name is Shulamith Bath Shmuel Ben Ari Feuerstein and who Wikipedia describes as “a central figure in the early development of radical feminism”. By some miracle she contrived to be born in Canada instead of the first synagogue from Ellis Island.”
6. Jews have too much control over global affairs
I don’t think so. Even though the US is somewhat under their thumb (see #7), it’s not like Israel was exactly getting its way under Obama. And Jews have far less influence in the rest of the world.
Besides, the flip side of the US vetoing all the anti-Israel UN resolutions is that an absurd percentage of those resolutions are made against Israel in the first place.
So that’s Probably False.
7. Jews have too much control over the United States government
This, on the other hand, is not just Probably True – it is obviously, glaringly true.
Consider the following.
It was supported by 9/172 countries. It was opposed by 63% of US voters, including 44% of Republicans. Even so, 90-0(/100) US Senators, including Bernie Sanders, voted to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
All this happened under an American President with well-known financial and familial ties to Jewish oligarchs and Chabad, whom many liberal American Jews nonetheless believe to be the second coming of Hitler.
Oh, and even speculating about the Jewish Lobby in the US is anti-Semitic – just ask Stephen Walt/John Mearsheimer or Philip Giraldi about how their careers fared after they started talking about this subject.
Incidentally, I say all this as someone who has no dog in the fight over Israel and Palestine. So far as I’m concerned, these are two tribes locked in their tribal struggle – admittedly, one is far more intelligent and dominant than the other – but since neither is particularly pro-Russian or anti-Russian, I see no reason to favor one or the other independently of objective geopolitical calculations. I don’t go on about the “AngloZionists” as one columnist here does, nor do I particularly care about “Israeli apartheid” and the travails of the Palestinians – that’s the job of Israel (Shamir), not mine.
Still, that does not mean ZOG is entirely a figment of the anti-Semitic imagination.
Case in point: The taboo against even noticing the Jewish Lobby has reached such heights that there is now a bipartisan consensus in the US to effectively do away with the First Amendment in order to… criminalize advocacy of BDS. The American political elites are happy to scrap the very Constitution that they otherwise worship for make benefit of Israel.
8. Jews think they are better than other people
I think the only people who think otherwise are people who have not met many Jews. For instance, jokes like this about incompetent goyim are hardly atypical:
Ivan: What if we have to fight China? They have more than a billion people!
Pyotr: We’ll win with quality over quantity, just like the Jews with the Arabs.
Ivan: But do we have enough Jews?
This sense of superiority extends to Jewish religious texts.
For instance, Deuteronomy 14:2 – “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. Out of all the peoples on the face of the earth, the Lord has chosen you to be his treasured possession.”
And this is tame. Some kabbalistic texts go as far as to describe non-Jews as “beasts in human form”.
Conclusion: Probably True.
Now admittedly, one might argue that the superiority complex is justified.
Source: Charles Murray – Human Accomplishment
After all, it is an objective fact that Jews are far wealthier, more successful, better educated (more than can be explained by IQ, as Ron Unz showed!), and higher achieving than the goyim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTPyE6f7GnQ
This, as Richard Nixon correctly noted, engenders a certain arrogance on the part of certain Jews. Which I suppose can be looked over, if they could just keep it to themselves.
Unfortunately, that’s not always the case. Here’s the thing. Israel happens to be far more of a “national state” than any other Western country or even the Russian “Putlerreich” (that exists only in Western imaginations). Israel has a big wall, it deports Black African illegals en masse, and opinion polls suggest that half of Israeli school children oppose equal legal rights for Arab-Israeli citizens. Most importantly, Israel is The Jewish State. Even though ethnic Russians constitute a higher percentage of the Russian population than do Jews in Israel, they can only dream of a “Russia for Russians” in the Putlerreich.
No wonder, then, that many in the Alt Right, such as Richard Spencer, cite Israel as the sort of ethnostate that they themselves aspire to for their own people. Good luck with that, though – any European leader who aspires to a quarter of what Israel managed will immediately become a Second Hitler. Thanks in large if not exclusive part to…
Well, Jews.
What knowing goyim notice and dislike is that too many of their (((fellow white people))) combine progressive, pro-minority agendas with aggressive support of Israel across virtually all countries where they have a substantial demographic presence.
The US: While the Jewish Lobby supports Israel and influence the US to an extent that ROG can only dream of (see #7), other Jewish activist organizations – which substantially overlap with the Jewish Lobby – have played outsized role in promoting Marxism, feminism, anti-racism, etc., present immigration as a “core Jewish value”, and have been outspoken in trying to discredit Trump, the closest the US has ever had or might ever have to a Netanyahu.
France: Guillaume Durocher has written a lot on Jewish ethnic lobbies who propagandize the poz and hate speech laws in France while aggressively shilling for Israel.
Russia: As soon as the anti-extremist Article 282 was brought against the Russian liberal/Jewish nationalist Anton Nossik for advocating the extermination of Syrians, on the basis that it was good for Israel, the entire Echo of Moscow crowd suddenly became ardent proponents of absolute free speech, even though they had previously been at the forefront of writing Russia’s hate speech laws in the first place.
Perhaps the ultimate “Jewish spy” archetype is Julia Ioffe: From being an Israel First activist at university, wall and all (!), she seamlessly transitioned into condemning Americans who want the same for their own country: “Je Suis Refugee“, therefore you need Infinity Immigrants! (Ioffe was not, of course, a “refugee” from the USSR in any meaningful sense of the word). She has also castigated Russian “cattle” who had the temerity to vote for the Vladimir Putin, who she believes hates Jews because he once said that Russians sacrificed more than anybody to save Jews from the Holocaust – no, really!
I can’t think of any other major market-dominant minority that has a substantial percentage of people who push “nationalism for me, not for thee” on their host countries.
For instance, the Chinese in South-East Asia, though economically dominant, do not translate it into political power, or a “culture of critique” against their host societies. On the other hand, the locals also organize the occasional pogrom against them, so perhaps it is the Chinese who are doing it wrong?
Ironically, George Soros – despite his Emmanuel Goldstein status amongst anti-globalists – isn’t really a Jewish spy. He has gotten high on his own supply and trafficks to Israel too, with the result that Israel has disavowed him. (There were reports that he stopped financing FEMEN when they attempted to open an Israeli affiliate, but AFAIK that was fake news).
9. Jews have too much control over the global media
Jewish overrepresentation (even relative to IQ) in media, journalism, and Hollywood is too obvious to deny. However, is it “too much”?
On /pol/ you have memes floating by every so often suggesting that Jewish dominance in the media is near total. Here is one such example:
I don’t know to what extent this table is accurate and/or cherry-picked. It seems to be too extreme to be true, but who knows. Maybe we can establish that in the comments.
Anyhow, my rejoinder to the idea that Jews control the media and that this is a bad thing, which I employed in a email discussion with an Alt Right intellectual who is deep into the JQ, went as follows:
… According to Wikipedia, there are 15,000 Jews in Sweden. That’s <0.2% of the population. Even you would surely agree that this isn’t anywhere big enough to seize control of any significant institution, even for a people as intelligent and apparently wily as the Jews. (If it is then resistance is futile, assimilation is inevitable).
If France, Germany, and the UK are cuck countries, then Sweden is the cucklord supreme. It has by far the highest Third World immigration per capita of any major EU country (100k+/year), and it is also the only one where a majority of people continues to favor the opens doors approach!
In short, it appears that the Swedish people are perfectly fine with voting themselves out of existence and electing another. That is despite (or because?) the media, political, and business scenes in Sweden are dominated by ethnic Swedes. And it has the strongest political correctness culture in all of Europe, with transgressions against it being punished not only by ostracism, as in the US and much of Europe, but also by the real threat of prison time.
And it’s all almost entirely Judenfrei! 😉
So, anyway… you’re probably anticipating my question/criticism here. How would Kevin MacDonald/Culture of Critique and the other propagators of the theory that there is are strong Jewish Ethnic Genetic Interests that unwaveringly works against Whites explain Sweden – a white country that is doing away with itself with the willing and happy connivance of not only its (ethnically Swedish) journalists and politicians but a strong majority of the (ethnic Swedish) population themselves?
Problem: That 0.1% includes the Bonniers:
My interlocutor replied:
Sweden is a bit of a mystery. The Jewish factor is not completely absent there however. The Jewish Bonnier family apparently owns several publishing companies, the private channel TV4 (with as many viewers as the main state TV channel), various other channels, a film company, cinema theaters, magazines, and newspapers, including two leading dailies.
From that alone, punching above one’s weight as ever! (In Poland, perhaps the most homogeneous country in Europe, the leading liberal daily constantly shaming the Poles for not being international and “modern” enough is owned by . . . Adam Michnik.)
Lack of country specific knowledge led me down a dead end, and forces me to acknowledge Probably True.
There used to be a site called J-DAR that scraped movie databases to calculate a “jewdar” score for Hollywood movies and “celebrate the Jewish contribution to the film industry.” Unfortunately, the site seems to have been folded, presumably because not everyone was celebrating. It would be interesting to revive the project and do some statistical analysis.
10. Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars
First, this is simply not the case historically.
Jews had nothing to do with World War I (nor as Niall Ferguson showed did bankers want that war, later Communist propaganda regardless).
Jews only provoked World War II in Nazi propaganda.
Jews had nothing to do with the Cold War.
Nor did Jews have much to do with most post-Cold War conflicts. The only major recent war that could conceivably be somewhat-somehow attributed to Jewish influence is the invasion of Iraq, but there were lots of other, more important factors in play there. Otherwise, they were at best only incidental at most. The Syrian Civil War is primarily a Syrian conflict, stoked along by the US to be sure, but not incited by it. The main responsibility for the War in the Donbass ultimately lies on Russia; if not for Russian support, the rebellion would have been crushed in summer 2014.
For the other perspective, see Philip Giraldi: America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars.
That said, my own position is Probably False.
I might change my assessment if the US ever does end up seriously bombing Iran, but the Jewish Lobby has had no luck with that – and I doubt that will change any time soon.
Second, ultimately only 6% of Congressmen are Jews, and the most prominent and aggressive warhawks (e.g. John McCain) don’t seem to be Jews.
The most visible face of ZOG in the current administration, the Kushnerites, might be more aggressive than isolationist Bannonites, but they are less aggressive than McMaster.
Jews figure prominent in the Russiagate conspiracy theory, to a greater extent than can be explained just by IQ, but they are nowhere near as uniformly Russophobic as other East European emigres (Brzezinski, Ros-Lehtinen, etc.). The Jew Stephen Cohen is probably the most eminent “Russophile” in the US, and there are no end of Jewish anti-war/anti-imperialist commenters (Greenwald, Chomsky, Blumenthal, Chapo Trap House).
Jews are significantly more hostile to Iran, but they don’t have a monopoly on it (e.g. Michael Flynn). Besides, it’s more understandable than with respect to Russia, since Iran actually is deeply hostile to Israeli interests.
Jews don’t seem to be hostile to China at all.
Third, while Israel itself is a relatively belligerent country, it’s not any kind of wild outlier by global standards.
11. People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave
Explanation 1: Pretty much everyone’s ancestors were evil anti-Semitic scumbags who loved to persecute and fleece Jews.
Source: /pol/
Explanation 2: The fact that everyone and their dog ended up deporting Jews at some time or other indicates that it might also have something to do with Jewish behavior.
Standard explanation is #1, but maybe, just maybe, #2 also came into play at times. Here are some arguments in favor of the goyim:
- The plural of anecdotes might not be data, but it surely is stereotype, and Shylock didn’t emerge from a blank canvass.
2. Jewish dual loyalties and culture of critique.
Source: ADL – Global 100
- Poland – epicenter of the “Paradisus Iudaeorum” under the Commonwealth, eagerly welcoming in Jews exiled from the rest of Europe – is now the most anti-Semitic region of Europe, even more than half a century after the Nazis genocided the Jews out of Poland.
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Israel’s neighbors hating Jews more than anyone else. Including 58% of Armenians, who are some of their closest relatives.
Though in fairness everyone in the Middle East hates each other anyway, and they quite reasonably all view each other with suspicion: “Beware Greeks bearing gifts”; regional variations on “It takes two [A] to deceive one [B]; two [B] to deceive one [C]”, …, in which A, B, C… = Turks, Greeks, Persians, Jews, Armenians, …
Conclusion: It takes two to tango, but since the politically correct position is to avoid blaming Jews at all, I suppose this would be Probably True.
FINAL RESULTS: 7/11. Anti-Semite!
I suppose I deserve my “accolades” from the SPLC and RationalWiki after all.
But then again, so does this rabbi, who scored 6/11 in a similar article for the Jewish mag The Forward. As I said at the start, things are complicated.
Lot’s of good info and stuff for discussion here.
But in the end accepting the definition of “anti-whateverism” put forward by the identity lobby for “whatevers” is always a mug’s game. The only response to the pernicious crap put around by the likes of the ADL is to say that either their broad definition of antisemitism is correct, in which case anti-Semitism self-evidently is just a legitimate and widely held political position of no particular demerit, or anti-Semitism is as noxious as they claim in which case it doesn’t mean what they claim it means – it means actually hating jews just for being jews (and almost nobody is actually an anti-Semite).
They want to have it both ways, for obvious reasons, and they should never be allowed to. The same, mutatis mutandis, applies to all the politically correct smear terms used in this mendacious way by self-serving minority identity lobbies – racist, homophobe, islamophobe etc.
Might as well embrace it, since guilt by association is a foundational principle of identity lobbies such as the jewish one. You are an anti-whateverist if you merely allow real or supposed anti-whateverists to speak freely on your blog or in your publication anyway.
The issue of jewish influence on US foreign policy cannot honestly be addressed without taking account of the protestant Christian factor, which hugely leverages jewish political power on issues related to Israel (and therefore the whole of the ME and often surrounding areas – see Israeli/US involvement in eg Georgia).
It’s easy and commonplace to criticise muslims for advocating policies based upon idiosyncratic religious obsessions, but Evangelical ideas about Israel are every bit as dangerously irrational and mass murderous as Islamic jihadism, and their political power enables the already strong jewish lobby in its ruthless suppression of any dissent to judeophilia.
Many of the most eager advocates of pro-Israeli policies and the keenest witch-finders, smearers, haters and informants of the modern anti-Semitism Inquisitional movement are evangelical Christian in their background and core motivation.
The Armageddon Lobby: Dispensationalist Christian Zionism and the Shaping of US Policy Towards Israel-Palestine
Is this a problem with Christianity or with judaism? Both, I’d suggest.
I mildly disagree or nitpick on a number of points.
First, a general principle is that Jewish influence is largely bad for gentile whites, so if there is an over-representation anywhere, it is “too much.” But then again, IQ (or the proposed “money making talent”) does explain a lot, so maybe we can say something was “normal” if the over-representation is not more than expected.
#3 it’s not double counting. Finance happens to be one of the industries where Jews are concentrated. Not as much as media and entertainment, but still. One of the two big banks you mention (Goldman Sachs) is itself largely Jewish. So #3 must be largely true. It is probably more true than #2, in my opinion, since #2 talks about their general over-representation while #3 is about one specific industry where they are more concentrated than elsewhere.
#5 is a totally dishonest exaggeration. But I’m less charitable than you about their altruism, which seems to be almost exclusively aimed at perceived victims of their hated enemies. So they are much more altruistic towards blacks in the Jim Crow South than whites in South Africa. But of course all humans have the capacity to feel empathy towards total strangers or even enemies. I don’t imagine Jews to be exceptions. So I’d probably also answer “no” to that one.
#6 since you agree that #7 is true, you only need to add disproportionate Jewish influence in the UK, France (that’s already three UNSC permanent members), Germany, and some other countries (Putin or Orbán both have a court rabbi each, while Jobbik is now trying – so far, unsuccessfully – to court some Jewish organizations; it’s also little wonder the V4 leaders needed to have a common press conference with Netanyahu), and you end up with considerable Jewish influence. It’s not absolute rule, but a very large influence.
#10 is the only one unambiguously false, but I think there is a large disproportionate influence over some other wars besides Iraq you mention. Syria would have long ended without US involvement, and Libya can also only be understood in the context of neocon influence on western strategic thinking (or, in that case, “thinking”).
The words of Steve Rosen, former AIPAC macher and tried for espionage (guess for which country).
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how much facts you have. In some ways, the more you have the more dangerous you become, because it is harder to dismiss you. That is why the Jewish lobbies in the US worked overtime to crush John Mearsheimer and Steve Walt’s seminal book on the Israel lobby(which is just a subset of the Jewish lobby, the Christian elements in the former are figleafs)
Why? Because they as Ivy League professors were much harder to dismiss than some random crank. I guess it is useful for AK to make one major Blogpost To End All Blogposts on the JQ, so he doesn’t have to repeat himself later on. Nevertheless, in some ways I just feel it is redundant. No matter how much you try to nuance yourself, they will always go after you. Look at Jared Taylor. Has avoided the JQ surgically throughout his life. He has still been harassed by essentially Jewish organisations like the $PLC throughout his life to the point he now has to host AmRen conferences in the parks of Tennessee.
Ultimately the problem for white Christians is that so many of them are conflict-averse and prone to always seek common ground. You rarely see this reciprocated. You see this in the recent Polish-Israel spat as well. Polish media is desperate to seek common ground whereas the Israelis are just shouting obscenities.
As for Russia and the Jews, Steve Sailer still wrote the best primer on what actually happened in the 1990s and how Jewish oligarchs were being helped by their tribal kin inside the Clinton administration.
https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/06/marc-rich.html
Read and don’t ever forget.
So seems jews use their own natural divisions [a natural weaknesses for any group] against their hosts, instead divide themselves, a natural trends for any group specially with demographic growing /increasing of diversity [without artificial interventions].
Mister Borhing-Obvious attacks again…
Or also, they are HYPER-practical/pragmatic and use any available psycho/cultural weapon to weaken their ”perceived” enemies.
But insist to fight for that little and semi-desertic country b’cause ”religion” [mythology/metaphysical bizarrology] when they have entire western world in their dirty and pale hands AND kill the chicken of golden eggs [whites] replacing them with [adapted] mentally retarded or primitive human groups, look very stupid, even worse, crazily dumb.
One of the most fundamental difference between le goys and le juifs is:
naivety levels…
MOST normies are considerably naivettes specially about governments, elites attitudes ”openess to obedience”, 😉
Normies, specially the uber-normies believe too much and distrust too little, SPECIALLY about their elites. Instead one of the fundamental reasons why so many europeans and co-ethnics are marching to their own sacrifice is that they TRULLY believe that ”OUR elites know what they are doing”.
WHAT THE F*?!
AK: Okay, my bad, that was very poorly phrased. Rewritten.
I guess Anatoly was being sarcastic. But it’s the official truth now anyway, you holocaust-denying antisemitic bastard!
I should clarify. I didn’t edit carefully, and when writing that, I was loosely thinking of how some European countries collaborated to a greater or lesser extent with the Nazis when implementing the Holocaust.
So, Danes, Greeks went out of their way to protect their Jews; the French were somewhere in the middle; Poles and Ukrainians were at the more indifferent end.
However, describing it as “helped” is clearly overdoing, so thanks to szopen for catching that.
To be fair to Karlin Poland did sign Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact with itself and invaded itself in false flag operation on 01.09.1939 and 17.09.1939 and then proceded to simulate 50 years of occupation – all that just to rid itself of Jews and be able to avoid blame.
The Blue Police clearly did participate in rounding the Jews up. Arguably they were compelled to serve the Germans, being threatened with the death penalty if they failed to take up service in fall 1939. The Polish government in exile accepted it, because they agreed that Poland did need some kind of law enforcement under German occupation, even if it meant carrying out German orders like rounding up Jews. The Blue Police I think mostly just joined the resistance in 1944, and throughout they were in contact with them. Their appointed commander asked the local Home Army commanders if he should accept, and they told him yes. It was a difficult job. I think a case can be made that the Poles and Ukrainians participating in the holocaust were not much different from the Jews participating in the same, like Jewish Council or Jewish Police members. They participated to avoid near certain death.
I think part of the problem in measuring Jewish influence is that it is not just direct but also indirect.
Ex. A gentile race-traitor advocates for the importation of ‘Syrians’ and eradication of ‘White privilege’, it gets counted as gentile suicidal behaviour. But what if the race-traitor only developed those due to being exposed to Jewish-influenced media or education system?
In Europe, particularly Western Europe, it is common to adopt deleterious American social and political doctrines. Does the fault lies with the gentile Americans who pushed these doctrines onto Europeans, or with the Jews who warped the American psyche?*
This way even a drop of Jewish influence can cause pernicious ripples that spread very far with tragic consequences.
*Although I consider America as a classical-liberal creation to be born with original sin, at least there were redeemable aspects to it then, unlike now.
I would add that the Blue Police participation in the holocaust was quite minimal compared to other police forces in German occupied Europe. For example I think in Warsaw they refused German orders and had to be withdrawn from the ghetto before the start of the deportations.
But there clearly was some participation.
A small number of Jews, perhaps 10-20 thousand, benefited from the revolution. But the general Jewish population was hit hard by the new regime. Harder on average than the majority.
According to wiki, between 1.63% and 4.27% of the general population had been the lishentsi, the “former people” who were stripped of their rights and much discriminated against (and in the later purges often targeted for elimination.)
Among Jews, more than a third had been lishentsi! It was so bad that even the Soviet government recognized that they had a problem. So they came up with typical Bolshevik “solutions,” such as sending these extraneous Jews to “voluntary” collective farms (that was several years before the general collectivization.)
So yes, the Jews, aside from the few privileged ones, have little reason to love the Soviet power.
True, obviously a grave problem from a German perspective. One of the things I find most irritating about the US is that there isn’t a German lobby there…there are all those Americans of German descent, with German names (one of the largest groups of white Americans, probably second only to those of British isles descent), and yet they’re doing almost nothing for Germany or German interests.
Exactly…this obvious hypocrisy and mendacity which one isn’t supposed to notice is increasingly hard to tolerate, and is the main reason why I have no tolerance for right-wingers in Europe who make a show of being pro-Israel.
Should be “represent” here.
Anyway, good post, thanks.
Jews at the gulag were less than their share of the general population, at least that’s what I found at the appendix in Oleg Khlevniuk’s book. (He gives data by ethnicity.) They were underrepresented among the victims of collectivization and the manufactured famines. They were probably not harder hit than others during the great terror. The only time they were targeted for mass killings was during the doctors’ plot and anti-Zionist campaigns, when a few hundred of them were killed. But it’s peanuts compared to other mass killings.*
I don’t know about lishentsi, but in a regime killing several millions you cannot seriously argue for a minority being harder hit than others, unless they had proportionally more of them killed or at least imprisoned. That is clearly not the case with Jews in the USSR.
*Ironically it appears that Stalin’s power was already on the wane and he couldn’t get his (now largely Russian, supposedly anti-Semitic) security services to just start a mass execution campaign on false charges. The security services were dragging their feet and argued that there was no evidence (!), as if that had mattered anytime before. They knew the fate of the previous eager executioners like Yezhov and weren’t keen on getting their rewards.
Does anyone have a chart of Forbes 400 richest (world, us, Russia, uk) ethnic percentage over time? Would be interesting to see if Jews are gaining or stagnant. I know in academic achievements, Jews are losing out to Asians of various types, but I don’t know which direction things are going in the business world.
The standard argument against that is there isn’t much of an anti-Jewish tradition in China or India, and that obsessive hostility towards Jews has been mostly a phenomenon in Christian, and to a lesser degree in Islamic societies…Christians and Muslims must find the continued refusal of Jews to acknowledge that their religion is obsolete offensive, whereas Jews must regard Christianity and Islam as some sort of bizarre cultural appropriation. The mutual hostility isn’t surprising.
So the “Jews have been kicked out everywhere” argument by itself probably isn’t that persuasive unless one can demonstrate it also applies to non-Christian/non-Islamic societies.
I think Raul Hilberg mentioned that after 1945, when the question of accepting European refugees came up, Jewish representatives were arguing for accepting predominantly Jewish refugees in light of the horrors just visited upon them, but the ethnic German lobby (apparently such a thing existed), consisting of impeccably anti-German (during the war) and anti-Nazi politicians, argued that there was a need to accept German refugees as well, because of the starvation in Germany and because of the ethnic cleansing of Germans from large territories formerly inhabited by Germans, like the Sudeten or East Prussia. They even argued it would be racist to exclude them merely on account of their ethnicity. Raul Hilberg, who clearly disapproved of this argument, wrote that many such ethnic Germans from these areas were actually perpetrators of the holocaust, so that the compromise eventually accepted by the Jewish organizations meant that the price of accepting Jewish refugees was also accepting many of the perpetrators as well.
Jews have been totally assimilated in China. Their presence in China and India was in any event minimal. You have to accept that the data points basically consist of Christian and Muslim societies.
But Jews were privileged in Christian societies: they weren’t forced to convert most of the time. Unlike pagans or basically everyone else. Like Muslims in medieval Hungary were forced to convert and marry previously Christian (i.e. not fresh convert) Hungarians, and also to move to Christian villages. They were not to have a separate identity.
Being kicked out was in line with the norm for non-Christian groups, the anomaly is the tolerance in between the pogroms and expulsions.
Darkest green: US, UK, Sweden. Comments write themselves.
Never heard of that and I doubt it really existed at that time. My impression is that Germans were largely crushed as a distinctive cultural force in the US during WW1 (the Nazi Bund people in the 1930s were a marginal phenomenon) and meekly accepted their absorption into Anglo-America. I’ve seen numerous comments by Americans of some German descent who claim being told by grandparents and the like that 1917/1918 was a real watershed, with people sometimes stopping talking German even in private…seems plausible to me.
So I don’t buy the arguments by Jewish lobbyists who come up with arguments like “Oh, in America it’s normal for ethnic groups to have lobbies, everyone does it!”…clearly not true.
True, and in that sense Jews were privileged in Christian Europe…unlike pagans or Muslims (who weren’t tolerated at all or eventually expelled) they were to some extent allowed to exist as a distinctive community.
If you look at the list, there are plenty of places where Jews were kicked out of which pre-dated Christianity, and a fair number of athiest states which also kicked Jews out. Even the Chinese kicked them out in 845. Mayan villagers expelled Jews a couple of years ago.
I think that with this post along with past posts you have probably rendered yourself potentially subject to arrest in both Germany and Poland.
A hazard inherent to discussing history honestly in a world in which, in some countries, honestly discussing particular aspects of history is criminalised and truth is no defence, I suppose.
As I mentioned, those politicians were all quite strictly anti-Nazi, but they were largely of German extraction themselves. So probably they weren’t really a “German lobby” at all, just universalist politicians of German descent, who didn’t understand why Jewish refugees were to have privileges over German refugees, when their lives clearly weren’t in danger anymore, while the Germans had arguably lost their homes and so were in a comparably desperate situation.
The expulsions by Assyrian and Babylonian kings and by Roman emperors like Hadrian are just standard imperial relocations of defeated peoples…happened to plenty of other groups. And sure, there were conflicts between Jews and Greeks in places like Alexandria…again, that’s hardly unique imo, just standard conflict in multiethnic/multicultural societies. You could also compile a list of anti-Germanic xenophobic incidents in late antiquity (like the killing of Germanic soldiers in Italy after the death of the partly Germanic general Stilicho in 408).
The atheist societies that expelled Jews mostly had a Christian background.
Anyway, this is a minor nitpick, just wanted to show some possible counter-arguments.
A time will come when Danes will be accused for the worst kind of anti-semitism for making their country Judenrein under the pretense of saving Jews by expediting them to Sweden on which they even made money by making Jews to pay for the passage. It is a matter of time. The Eye of Sauron is busy with Poland right now but time will come when it will cast its sight on Slovakia, Czechia, Hungary.
Assad laughing at Gaddafi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6syr1tjbgA
That was my impression as well.
In fairness, you must admit that Germans are clearly uniquely evil – almost as bad as Russians. The horror and the suffering never ends. See for instance the latest outrage wilfully committed by a German:
Winter Olympics 2018: German figure skater condemned after dancing to soundtrack from Schindler’s List
I’m sure we can all agree that disqualification and a humble apology, plus substantial payments to jewish advocacy groups, is the least we should expect. Or there should be consequences.
[This story was linked from MSN as – I kid you not: “Horror as German skater dances to Schindler’s List soundtrack”. Horror! Yet it’s a sign of antisemitism if you think that “4.Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust”.]
Jews have a disproportionate influence relative to population size, but it is still not a very big influence in the world of 8 billion. There are 16 million Jews in the world – and probably their influence is more than triple their population. In countries like Russia, obviously this disproportionate influence goes much higher.
But in the great scheme of things, this influence is small compared to any of the larger nationalities, which can be seen at the UN voting sessions, where Israel does even far worse than a large country like Russia does.
As for antisemitism – generally it relies on using Jews as a ‘Theory of Everything’. It seems to have a kind of theological structure, and becomes quite ridiculous in its theory of media – denying agency to consumers of products. So because the conspiracy theorist found capitalist families who 100 years had Jewish origin, like the Bonnier Group – then Jews are suddenly responsible for contemporary Swedish liberalism. There’s an issue of supply and demand here, and newspaper circulation numbers in a market reflect very much the popularity of the product there, just like music and fashion brands do.
Within the liberal milieu, liberal newspaper will sell out, and likewise within a conservative one, conservative newspaper will be far more popular (as you can see in Israel).
In Israel, the oldest newspaper is this left-wing paper called Haaretz (partly owned by a German, ex-Nazi publisher, M. DuMont Schauberg). They have in Israel various conspiracy theories about the paper – but the reality is that people just don’t read it because it doesn’t match their intrinsic views (where much of the population think like rednecks), and this is reflected in circulation numbers. On the other hand, if liberalism was more popular there, then Haaretz would be a best seller in that market, like the NYT is in a liberal milieu like New York.
Hungary has long been accused of complicity in the holocaust. Not entirely without justification, unfortunately, but of course the mitigating circumstances are never taken into account. The Hungarian police and gendarmerie did round up the Jews, but only after the Germans did occupy the country and replaced its government and the upper echelons of the civil service and police command. Until then, the Hungarian government steadfastly refused to hand over the Jews to the Germans.
And I doubt they had maintained the Jewish identity they had a century ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ke_Bonnier
The other issue in the conspiracy theory is that Swedish media is very anti-Israel, so the theory of Swedish liberalism being Jewish is rather failing as a “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, when the product they sell on the market is an anti-Israel slanted coverage.
It’s related to partly to German assimilation levels.
Once in America, the Germans were trying to assimilate to the dominant English identity, and intermarrying with other European races straight away. The Jews, with religious motivation, had tried to do the opposite for several generations and maintained their separateness.
German identity wasn’t adapted to exist outside Germany, whereas Jewish identity was more portable and internalized the idea that staying separate was a value.
Although that has its limits, and in the current generation (with majority intermarriage), the American Jews are starting to dissolve, as happened in the Soviet Union. In America, the rapidness of this dissolution of their separate identity will be aided by the lack of discrimination, whereas in the Soviet Union it occurred more through a process of hazing them.
In human history, it is usually an expropriation of the wealth of a minority group by the sovereign.
If you look at Africa today, the process is very undisguised.
Mugabe does similar actions towards white farmers today.
And formerly Idi Amin does it with the Asians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda
In medieval and early modern Europe, it was an expropriation by monarchs of supernormal wealth obtained by Jews in banking, and it results in personal enrichment of the sovereign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_of_Lincoln
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchequer_of_the_Jews
I long resisted acknowledging the negative effects of Jewish “success”. What has driven it home more than anything for me, apart from neocon influence on US foreign policy, has been the disproportionate amount of support for “open borders” coming from Jewish politicians.
Take Ireland and the UK, two countries with which I am reasonably familiar. The individual perhaps most directly responsible for “opening the door” to Ireland was Alan Shatter, who just happened to be the second Jewish cabinet minister in the country’s history.
And who was Tony Blair’s major ally in “Conman Blair’s cynical conspiracy to deceive the British people and let in 2 million migrants against the rules”, to quote the Daily Mail in its review of a new (2016) biography of Tony Blair?
Clearly this is a bit of cherry-picking, but what are the odds of this?
Hungary’s case is interesting because it clearly demonstrates that being an ally of Germany in WWII may increase Jewish survival rate. Jews realized it and were against renouncing the alliance with Germany by Hungary which indeed resulted in Jewish deportations once German occupied and took over in 1944. If Hungary resisted Germany in 1941 as Yugoslavia did or as Poland did in 1939 Hungarian Jews most likely would be annihilated like Polish Jews by the end of 1943 because there would be no protective umbrella offered by the semi sovereign Hungary.
Italy’s case in 1943/44 is similar to that of Hungary. By giving up they made the fate of Italian Jews worse. The exception is Slovakia. While and ally of Germany (provided few divisions to invade Poland in 1939) Slovakia paid the transportation costs to Germans to have them take Slovak Jews of their hands.
In the Judeocentric moral world where what is bad for Jews is universally bad in an absolute sense the attempt of Hungary to extricate itself from the alliance with Germany in 1944 was bad even though it (1) might have weaken German war effort and thus shorten the war and (2) improve Hungary’s position in post WWII under Soviet occupation including saving lives of Hungarians.
If Poland in 1939 rejected British alliance and joined Hitler or at least played for time the Jewish survival in Eastern Europe could have been much higher.
Given those questions and how they can be interpreted, what will the ADL do when everybody taking that quiz is an anti-Semite according to them?
Well of course. 75% of the GULag inmates were common criminals; and among the political prisoners, a significant percentage (I think the majority) after WWII were Nazi collaborators. Jews are underrepresented in the former category and non-existent in the latter.
Members of the Russian aristocracy were also underrepresented among the victims of collectivization and famines but no one doubts that they were targeted.
There is no question that Jews were hit disproportionately hard by Soviet economic and social policies. To be sure, they were not persecuted as Jews but as former members of “abolished” classes (after having their property stolen from them.) Some Jews rose high under the new regime; but for every one of those there were many more like Ayn Rand (had she not escaped from the Soviet Russia.) So saying (like Karlin does) that Jews “pretended” to hate Stalin is… stupid.
This is not really substantiated. It’s highly possible, as the surname of the husband is from Central Asia (and he is clearly from Central Asia or Caucasus), but surname itself is found in different nationalities so there is no direct evidence to pin down his nationality.
One point though is that Putin’s ex-wife is definitely of a part Jewish background, but this has been censored/deleted from the internet.
I scored 9 out of 11. 🙂 Jews dominate the United States culturally and politically. Since US is world’s sole superpower, that gives the Jews disproportionate influence over world affairs.
To give you an example, look at what is happening across the Middle East: the “Israeli lobby” manipulated the US into a series of costly, unwinnable wars to overthrow governments and destroy entire countries, hostile to the Zionist project. The result was increase in terrorism and a “refugee crisis”, that’s transforming European demographics. All to enable Jewish settlers in Palestine to steal land in peace.
They want to scare their donor demographic as much as possible, as it means more fundraising and benefits packages for themselves. I wonder what the salary is of people working there.
Of course the Blair regime’s treason on immigration (and the way subsequent Blairite leaders Brown, Cameron and May have continued it) is a scandal of literally historic proportions. And the consequences are not small – as has been pointed out, in the course of a few decades we have thrown away something that was constructed over a millennium.
As you point out, there’s clear justification for seeing jewish influence as playing its part in this, not least Barbara Roche’s dire personal actions, and in recognising the perceived self-interest on the part of many jews in diluting the racial and cultural cohesion of their host countries to make themselves feel less foreign and less vulnerable as a minority, but as with the neocons in the US they were not alone in pushing for policies against the national interests of their host countries. In the case of mass immigration there was plenty of non-Jewish big business money behind the policy of importing cheap labour, and plenty of non-Jewish leftist ideological opinion behind the idea of “rubbing the right’s noses in diversity”.
In other words, there’s more than enough culpability to go around.
Worth noting that the identification of Roche as Jewish was not in the original. The Daily Mail is quite prepared to be transgressive in some taboo areas, but there are lines even it fears to cross.
It’s normal for inferior races to have ethnic lobbies in America, which is quite logical. If you can’t compete in the marketplace, it’s sensible to organize politically. Jews are highly unusual being more than successful yet still having an ethnic lobby.
Some of the more “ethnic” whites have weak lobbies. Irish-American politicians have periodically pushed Anglophobic foreign policies (Congressman Peter King of New York is an example), Italian-Americans are very touchy about Columbus Day, Armenians whinge about the Armenian genocide and want it recognized in law, etc.
Right, countries such as Somalia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan – really central to the Zionist project. North Korea is soon to come, possibly. Yet another country whose destruction is extremely important for the Israeli lobby.
I have a different theory. America’s wars are merely post-Cold War mopping up operations.
I was born anti semitic, as long as I can remember I had a natural aversion to jews, after learning more about them I realized that there was a good reason for it. Many talk about how the Askenazi rapidly evolved into what they are now because of the stresses living amongst whites in Europe, this then raises the question if some whites could also have rapidly evolved with anti semitic instincts because of the stresses of living amongst jews.
I didn’t say that everything US does is a product of Jewish influence, but their ME wars certainly are.
It’s always refreshing to hear conversations from before political correctness and the power of minority lobbies muzzled free discussion and forced everyone to speak in codes, pretend to believe in dogmas and not to believe in taboo truths, and use politically correct euphemisms instead of speaking honestly.
Separating the US wars into ME and non-ME is contrary to Occam’s razor.
That’s an interesting theory about Med people being good at business. Rivers are probably too choke pointed or feudalistic compared to a small sea.
In the past, I’ve wondered something like this about art. You can find impressive works of art in many places. But nobody has ever had art like Europe. Not in classical times. Not during the Renaissance or really afterward. It is also seems stylistic influences radiated out of Europe to the Middle East and China and not so much the other way around.
Of course, Northern Europe also had its Renaissance, but perhaps that is due to the North Sea. Perhaps a big flaw in the theory would be Jews and North Africans don’t seem to be particularly good visual artists. Maybe, it is cultural but not genetic. A lot of art had religious themes. Prohibition for North Africans. Possibly less of a market for Jews, even though many old testament themes, it would be kind of unholy to employ a Jew in a church.
From Wikipedia:
There is only one assumption behind my theory of Iraq invasion: the Jews, who ran US foreign policy did it for Israel’s benefit. That Jews run American foreign policy is not an assumption, but a well-documented fact.
I wouldn’t comment on author’s particular ideas on various matters (with most of them I agree & disagree with some of them). But, I don’t agree with his, in my opinion, focus on IQ-ism & too high regard of Jewish accomplishment. Although not as ahistorical as most JQ comments, this is not historical enough-at least for my taste.
Like sex & taxes, Jews seem to be a perennial theme.
As far as Jewish ethnocentrism goes- it’s the cornerstone of their religion & identity (which has been formed from, roughly, 700 BC to 100 AD). It is not a reaction, but the very essence of self- definition of that ethno-religious group & culture. Judaism is an imaginative refurbishing of other Near Eastern religions; it does not possess its own mythology. Normative Judaism- unlike Kabbalah- is a Platonized religion in many respects similar to early Confucianism: life’s fulfillment is achieved through learning, study & mostly mental work- and not piety, nor supernatural yearnings. Early Judaism, as recorded in the Pentateuch, had not possessed that idea. Somewhere around 100-300 A.D. Jews adopted Plato’s ethic of self-cultivation through intellectual work & produced a vast literature of almost completely dated & sterile Behemoth nitpicking trivialities (Talmud, Responsa, ..).
As for accomplishment: now, Jews, this old & talented ethno-religious group is in the great creative period of their existence, which lasts as yet ca. 150 years. Many other groups or peoples have had such periods- Italians, say, 1300-1600; English up and down, but let’s take a look at 1550-1750 period. During this time, the English had produced: Tallis, Byrd, Purcell- composers, Boyle (Irish extraction)- father of chemistry, Shakespeare, Milton, Donne, …-literature, Bacon, Hobbes, Locke, Berkeley-philosophy, Gilbert- discovered magnetism, Harvey- physiology, blood circulation, Newton- the greatest scientist ever, Halley- astronomy, Cavendish- physics & chemistry, discovered hydrogen, ..
So, just in this 200 years span the English had created enormously more than Jews in past 200 years. And- what does this have to do with IQ & other stuff ? Nothing.
Periods of creativity & influence come & go.
Jews last for ca. 3000 yrs; English, French & Germans for ca. 1000 (even less, as definitely crystallized groups). Germans are recognizable for ca. 700 years; English, in more or less current shape for 600-700 years.
Almost all historical figures, from ancient Greece & Rome to Goethe and Voltaire, had castigated Jews as vulgar, unoriginal, barbaric, sneaky, cunning but without nobility of spirit; essentially not creative & parasitic. Not some Christian fanatics, but enlightened spirits. Until 1933. the only philo-Semitic creative persons were, as I recall, George Eliot and James Joyce. All others (Marx, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Wittgenstein, Wagner, Voltaire, Proust, Henry James, Nietzsche (a complex question), Chesterton, ..) were, to say the least, not very sympathetic towards Jews. Ludwig Wittgenstein, one of the greatest 20th C philosophers-partly of Jewish extraction- complained about what he (wrongly) perceived as his creative sterility as having something to do with Jewishness: “Amongs Jews, “genius” is found only in the holy man. Even the greatest of Jewish thinkers is no more than talented. (Myself, for instance). I think there is some truth to the idea I only think reproductively. I don’t think I have ever invented a single line of thinking. I have always taken one from someone else ..”
Now, that’s too harsh, but has an element of truth.
In more recent times: enormously influential & erudite Marx was a sort of Talmudist (he was not technically Jewish, but..), reworking other people’s ideas (Ricardo, Hegel, Hess, Guizot, …) into one big clunky synthesis; Freud was a mixture of Janet, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Shakespeare; Einstein’s SR was almost completely done in works of Lorentz, Poincare and others, and his GR was actually devised parallel with Hilbert; Feynman’s graph approach was invented by Dirac (Feynman said so himself).
I don’t want to denigrate Jewish creativity in past 150 years in various fields, just- it could flourish only in the broader context of Gentile creativity & frequently- not always- after it. Jews’ creative accomplishments last some 150 years & are, mostly, the result of complete assimilation into host cultures, with characteristic traits of these cultures.
Even in past 100-150 years, it was Gentiles -with a few exceptions like Einstein- who produced most enduring science, technology & culture in all fields (Diesel, Edison, Ziolkowski and Goddard, Loggie Baird, Joyce and Proust, Picasso and Stravinsky, Planck, Heisenberg, Dirac and Schrodinger, Morgan and Watson, Darwin and Ronald Fisher,…). I admire very much Kafka, Mahler, Marvin Minsky, Otto Lilienthal, Salman Waksman, John Von Neumann, Hermann Broch, Karl Landsteiner, …(I included converts)- but evidently their accomplishment was & is a spin-off of German Enlightenment.
As for supposed numerical disparity: Jews were, prior to WW2, comparable to other peoples (20 M Jews; 45 M British; 65 M Germans, ..); in past 500 -1000 years enormous “Gentile” energies went to warfare & various blood lettings (100 yrs war; 30 yrs war- 60% of Germans perished; conquest of Americas & the Orient; Napoleonic wars; WW1 and WW2,.. ). At the same time, British had the energy to:
a) begin Industrial revolution
b) wage wars against Napoleon
c) make discoveries in mathematics, chemistry, physics (Hamilton, Young, Davy,..)
d) begin sweeping social reforms
Now, that’s something.
Not in Poland. In Poland there is proposed law to penalize people accusing Polish State or Nation, ie all Poles as contrasted with some Poles, with exception of artists and historians and with proviso “against the facts”
Thanks. There is so much sh*t being thrown at us recently (with rudderman foundation infamous video) that i also reacted more emotionally than usual.
Hadn’t heard about that, so I googled it:
https://forward.com/news/national/394956/foundation-pulls-video-urging-us-to-sever-ties-to-poland-and-accused-poles/
Interesting.
Lesser degree in Islamic societies? I must disagree vehemently. That is just the Jewish cultural narrative, not born out by simple math.
The vast majority of Jews worldwide are European offshoots, in particular Ashkenazim. Based on mathematical DNA models, Ashkenazi had a starting population of about 350 about 600-800 years ago. This represents an average increase of at least 10% per generation. Fertility is an old measure of prosperity, and Ashkenazim today are fantastically wealthy. The most prosperous people in the world.
No one else even close, and they achieved that wealth only in European societies.
Contrast that to Islamic societies. Paltry numbers. Not much real wealth. Many Jews were, in relation to Islam, endemic to the Middle East. They were ethnically cleansed from the area surrounding Mecca by Muhammad himself. Christians did not ethnically cleanse Jews from Israel. After a few generations in Islamic Spain, Jews began migrating north into the Christian kingdoms.
Christianity just isn’t as militant and as strategically tribal as Islam, or Judaism, for that matter. This is also born out by Christianity having been endemic to much of the Islamic expansion. You can count the native Christians in Anatolia using the fingers on your hands. And just like the Jews, they have declined everywhere.
At the beginning of the 20th century, New York City was one of the world’s largest “German” cities, third after Berlin and Vienna. And until the 1930s, you had the German-American Bund:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_Bund
But WW1 and WW2 promoted anti-German sentiments and pressured German Americans to assimilate more completely.
(where much of the population think like rednecks)
Thinking like a redneck is more difficult, but we usually get better results.
It’s not even clear if that’s historical (Muhammad himself may never have existed like he’s presented in Islamic tradition after all…we don’t know). And there was a continuous Jewish presence throughout much of the Mideast until the mid-20th century…e.g. in Iraq Jews persisted from antiquity until the 1940s/1950s (Saddam Hussein’s mother was friends with a Jewish woman iirc). It’s true that there were episodes of anti-Jewish violence in the Islamic world like the massacre of Granada in 1066, but they were much less common than in the Christian world.
Nowadays the Islamic world is of course much more anti-Jewish than today’s (post-)West, but that seems to be a fairly recent development over the last century or so.
It’s not clear if the Jews were actually assimilated in China. At any rate, their numbers would have been very small and China is so far away that they would have been completely cut off from other Jewish communities to the west.
Jews in China were part of a Middle Eastern foreign merchant community that included Muslims, Christians, Persians, etc. There were massacres against these merchants so it’s possible that they were massacred or driven away rather than being assimilated, or in addition to being assimilated in small numbers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangzhou_massacre
Fair enough, I wasn’t aware the new Polish law had that proviso.
I’m happy to stand corrected, and that rT can safely book a trip to Krakow any time he wants.
Wasn’t Proust Jewish? Other than that I think most of their achievements are in science and maths. This is largely a reflection of the fact that most of the community only secularized from their heavy (almost Salafi Islam like) religious restrictions in the 20th century – so they missed the whole period of painting, literature, and so on. Most of the talent has gone into mathematics and physics – nowadays in computer science as well. Also the global Jewish population peaked at 17 million in the 1930s, and will probably never recover from that.
Currently with 16 million people, out of a world population of almost 8 billion – I find the level of attention and attribution of influence to this group, to be rather disproportionate.
He wouldn’t get in trouble for that in Germany either, bashing Poles is all right among progressives here (as long as you bash them for the right reasons like antisemitism).
Anyway, I thought the Polish right was exaggerating (and I still dislike them and think they’re pretty dumb about a lot of issues)…but the reactions to that law by Israel, the US, France and probably other countries as well have been illuminating…apparently the Polish right-wingers do have a point, there clearly are groups who want to foist some sort of collective Holocaust guilt on Poland.
https://twitter.com/kennedydrooler/status/966488715148386307
My post was unclear – I was referring in that regard to other past posts of his discussing the “Holocaust” which would likely be regarded as “denial” – even though they clearly aren’t.
I agree. Chinese philo-Semitism and lack of Jewish antipathy to China is very easy to explain.
Firstly, lack of Jews in China. Mostly, by reason of geography. But partly due to natural Chinese cohesiveness. When the Boxer Rebellion happened there were <20,000 foreigners in the whole of China, and they were a motley mix of seven or eight nationalities, including many racially similar Japanese. Europe being made of small nations always had a certain level of cosmopolitanism, not true historically for the Chinese. Foreigners while present were always few. Far easterners have a Confucian mindset. Much more difficult to subvert, because they think of the good of society. Not easy prey for victimhood narratives. Historically extremely xenophobic to the point of burning their own ships and any foreign sailors who set foot on their land.
Meanwhile, lack of Jewish antipathy to China is also explained by there having been so few Jews in China. The dominant cultural narrative of European Jews has always been extreme Europhobia. There isn't room for anything else. And it is easy to see this in the way so many European Jews are foolishly embracing Islam.
BTW, I think Bruce Lee had a Jewish great grandfather. Many of the Jews that entered China probably married Chinese women.
I don’t really see how reiner tor could be classified as a Holocaust denier…indeed he has argued against Holocaust deniers here on Unz review. I guess he’d be classed as a “racist” or “antisemite” though, but that isn’t a crime in a legal sense in Germany so far…he’d “only” suffer social ostracism, maybe lose his job…
It’s a matter of interpretation – the law criminalises “downplaying” any acts relating to the “Holocaust”. rT’s posts often question the accuracy of official versions whilst not actually “denying the Holocaust” outright. If a prosecutor wanted to get him on that, he probably could imo. Certainly he could easily face a lot of harassment before the charges were ultimately dropped or quashed.
In these situations, the process is a large part of the punishment.
It is if it’s classed as “inciting hatred” on the basis of race religion or ethnicity, I believe.
The thing is to be an Anti-Philosemite.
Proust’s mother was Jewish, but he was not. Don’t conflate ancestry & identity.
As for asymmetries in various fields & periods, they’ve always existed. They cannot be explained: why an incomparable explosion of creativity has happened in German-speaking lands from, say, 1770-1830 (Hamann, Herder, Euler, Kant, Gauss, Baader, Goethe, Schiller, Novalis, Schelling, Hegel, Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn, Schubert, Clausewitz, Kleist, Bernoullis, Scheele, Schopenahuer, brothers Grimm, brothers Humboldt, …)?
So, among generally illiterate Germans, in just a few decades & among small segments of society, marginal with regard to world population, a gigantic endeavor has happened that forever changed mathematics, physics, philosophy, political ideologies, music, the art of warfare, natural sciences, chemistry, philology, literature, …
Why & how? Nobody knows. But, this over-representation is far more impressive than Jewish in any period of history.
Yes, you’re right, Volksverhetzung (the equivalent of “incitement to racial hatred” in the UK) is indeed a “crime”, and the definition has become progressively more extensive and elastic over the decades.
Anyway, I don’t really disagree with you in principle, contemporary Germany certainly is developing into some kind of “soft totalitarianism” like many other Western societies (and in some ways is probably worse, especially regarding the de facto tolerance for and support of violent left-wing extremists by the political establishment).
I think the lack of support for the Armenian genocide is mainly geopolitics. They do not want to get on Turkey’s bad side. Of course, this is obviously self-serving but with the excuse that it is also existential.
However, it is still very bad for appearances, as originally Zionists hijacked the Armenian genocide to service their independence movement. There were claims that Jews had been massacred in Haifa, and that they soon all would be.
Really, they were just being removed from a sensitive area. It’s understandable why they got antsy after what happened to the Armenians. But there were lies about individual Jews being killed. These were investigated by an international committee and found to be false. Men who were supposedly hung were alive and well. BTW, the suspicions of the Turks in this case were obviously well founded. Indeed, it could be said that they were very naive about certain individual Zionists.
Those are all stereotypes and I consider most of those not hatred.
You will find that numbers of “anti-semitic” and actually antiJewish views are different.
“antisemitic” numbers (lets say according to ADL) will be larger.
Anyway I scored around 6/7 out of 11. My conclusions are slightly different from the article.
Zbig was antiRussian, but actually not the worse type.
The biggest haters (from elites):
Jews mostly from Eastern Europe living in various places. (Anne Applebaum, Christia Freeland, etc).
Neocon/Trotskyist in the US, some portions of Anglo Military Complex,
Liberal media owners, And Liberals within the Democrats and Republicans. (Mccain is an example of Liberal Republican, but also connected to MIC).
What’s so new about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7SoKJwyGM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuI533vTqQk
That’s a shockingly low bar. Everyone who knows anything about Jews, including many Jews themselves, is anti-Semite by that measure. I too scored 7/11 and I am half Jewish.
I just find it bizarre that people like Jay Ruderman can write something like this…and then would probably complain if someone raises the issue of possible dual loyalties.
The whole “Poles killed hundreds of thousands of Jews” (which is just slander) is worse though. I don’t have much sympathy for Polish right-wingers, but reactions like that by Jay Ruderman prove they’re basically right on this issue.
The video was even worse. They just used the expression “Polish Holocaust” and mentioned the 3.5 million Jews killed in Poland (“hundreds of thousands of them were kids”) without ever clarifying that the vast majority of those (basically, all of them) were killed by others (almost all by Germans) and not by Poles.
Rumor has it that Karlin, smoking a cigarette, “bumped into” Berel Lazar, tugged on his beard, and told him that Judaism’s tenure in Russia was about to end. Hence Karlin’s rocketing up the list of redoubtable anti-Semites.
So you have a bespoke explanation for each war. Iraq is explained by the Jewish lobby. Serbia I suppose by the Albanian lobby (which actually did exist and was quite powerful at one point; but its power was derivative.)
And if Iraq War was run for the benefit of Israel then you should be able to point the benefit. Iraq and Israel have no common border, so the only way Iraq could be a threat to Israel was if Saddam Hussein had WMD. Are you saying he did? You can’t have it both ways.
The usual rejoinder to this is the claim that Israel wants to create chaos in the Arab world. This argument reminds me of the ongoing “Russian interference” saga where numerous “experts” are saying that evil Putin did whatever it was that he did in order to “sow chaos and undermine Western democracy.” This is what happens when you try to fit the square peg of your favorite theory into the round hole of reality.
ADL/AIPAC, and the many others are the racists, hate groups, terrorists. No different from JDL, FBI already classified them as terrorists.
They only make themselves look more guilty and irresponsible with all the denial…
People are waking up though, even in the deep south, I used to see lots of those “I stand with Israel” or “I Support Israel” bumper stickers, not any more, Bush and Netanyahu have been the worst enemy of Israeli PR in history. 0bama and Trump aren’t doing them any favors either.
The ethnic cleansing, murder and genocide of Christians in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine are hard to hide for long. Even people that used to be hardcore Chrisian Zios are starting to see Israel/USSA for what it is.
I think 2020 is gonna be real interesting, I don’t think folks are gonna go along with another Israel/Zionist hand picked candidate, thats if we make it to 2020, I don’t think we will.
I find myself in the strange position of almost completely agreeing with your most intelligent comment, Bardon, and find your ideas about Jews and Confucuanism and Platonism to be fascinating and suggestive.
And you’ve stolen my idea of how each people has a creative striving period, and Jews are in theirs now! I say that all the time – but you’ve said it much better, and fleshed it out in detail. Of course, I got the idea from Sir John Glubb’s study of the rise and fall of empires.
But really, it’s an idea that needs much wider dissemination. It’s the most intelligent way to view the larger arc of history and so much more compelling than the silly “timeless essences” view.
Even this could be a question, but for example with entertainment it clearly doesn’t work like this. You watch movies for special effects, action scenes, the main characters, or similar, and you don’t care for the number of black judges and top scientists or ass-kicking babes etc. shown in them, but they do have a subconscious effect on you. It sounds very good in theory that I could watch a Star Wars movie without an ass-kicking babe and African hijabi rebel leaders, but it’s not like I actually have much of a choice except not watching any Star Wars movies, or rather, no space operas or sci-fi movies at all.
Now there’s clearly no such competition with TV channels either, you only have a few of those with big budget quality entertainment. It’s also probably not too difficult to debase and corrupt culture without losing entertainment value. So pushing any such agenda should be rather easy, though of course any agenda could be pushed if you are smart enough not to get overly political. Goebbels had a lot of light entertainment be produced without much political agenda, but peppered with some little propaganda snippets (and the occasional propaganda blockbuster) he could easily change Germans in a more and more anti-Semitic direction.
You don’t seem to understand the argument here. It’s not really a conspiracy theory in that it doesn’t postulate any kind of coordination between the Bonniers, Soros, Netanyahu, and Chuck Schumer. In fact, they (some of them) could even hate each other.
The theory of your opponents is that people not rooted in the Swedish people, but living there among Swedes, will have a sense of alienation and not really thinking of the well-being of the Swedish people or community, and instead they will often have an inclination to deconstruct the community (the Swedish people itself) from which they are alienated. This is not only true of Jews, but it is always true of them anywhere except in Israel. As an example, in the original Swedish push for multiculturalism, Jewish voices were vastly disproportionate, but for example there was a Hungarian author (refugee from communism) and some other non-Jewish non-Swedes as well. To give another example, in 1930s Romania, Jews and Hungarians were both overrepresented among Communist Party members. Obviously, both had reasons to dislike Romania (Hungarians were forced to join Romania just a couple decades earlier, and clearly had no attachment to it), Jews are simply such outsider minorities in every white gentile country, and usually with huge chips on their shoulders.
“The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil.”
-Dual Citizen Zionist Paul Wolfowitz, 31 May 2003.
The Zionist plan for the Middle East – Yinon, Oded. Strategy for Israel https://archive.org/download/TheZionistPlanForTheMiddleEast/MicrosoftWord-TheZionistPlanForTheMiddleEas1.pdf
The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel
Written in 1985 by Jack Bernstein
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm
The phrase “Polish Holocaust” used in the video instead of being objected to should have been adopted in aikido like move by Poles and turned around: Thank you for reminding everybody that there was a Polish Holocaust: 6 millions Poles lost their lives in WWII. 3 millions of them besides being Polish were also Jewish so we lent them to Jews so they can also have their 6 millions lost in the WWII. Poland weeps equally for their lost citizen regardless of their religion.
Saddam’s regime sent money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers during the 2nd intifada, you can still find statements by the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs online about this:
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Palestinian/Pages/Iraqi%20Support%20for%20and%20Encouragement%20of%20Palestinian.aspx
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFA-Archive/2003/Pages/Iraq-s%20Involvement%20in%20the%20Palestinian%20Terrorist%20Ac.aspx
I can remember this was mentioned in the run-up to the Iraq war…there was a lot of hysterical commentary by Jews along the lines of “opposition to war against Iraq is antisemitic, once again the world does nothing while we’re being killed by a mad dictator”.
And American neoconservatives who pushed for the war are disproportionately Jewish.
It’s of course true that the Iraq war can’t be attributed solely to Jewish/Israeli machinationa, and iirc there were polls at the time that a majority of American Jews actually opposed the war (which is more than can be said for retarded redneck Bush supporters).
I saw 200k number in Haaretz or JP in an article about historian Jan Grabovski. I do not know how he arrived at this number but I suspect it is just some demographic inference.
In my opinion Poles w/o protest should accept this number and make the following offer not to Israel but to Germany:
Now, being serious this is the best opportunity for Poland to return under the wings of Angela Merkel and forget about fantasies of being the Trojan horse of the US and Israel in Europe. The Uncle Sam is not going to protect Poland from Israel regardless of the accomplishments of the Trojan Horse on the behalf of the Empire.
I’ve never heard about Jan Grabovski…I assume that refers to this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Hunt-Jews-Betrayal-Murder-German-Occupied/dp/0253010748
From one of the reviews cited there:
I’m unconvinced a study about a few hundred Jews is proof Poles killed 200 000 Jews…
lol, what’s it with you and Angela Merkel, do you feel some kind of sexual attraction to her or what? Hint: She isn’t some great stateswoman, and never was. Unless you’ve got some sort of death wish, you’d do well to do everything to avoid being “under her wings”.
Back in January, PBS (American public television) aired a documentary called the “The Saint and the Sultan” about the Crusades. I was shocked at it because it was very thinly veiled, Anti-Christian and anti-European propaganda.
It was low-brow stuff. Cheap video reenactments. Very little informational content. Few words in the script. It was pure vehicle. Positive about Jews and Muslims. Almost all negative about Euros. It would show a Crusader swinging a sword, and the narrator would say “Lizard hindbrain”. It was nakedly built around that one phrase, which was repeated.
It was obvious it was designed for one purpose only: to try to disarm any resistance to the ethnic transformation of Europe. Surprisingly (to me, at least) it was not funded by a Jew, even though it was positive about Jews, but by a wealthy Muslim foundation. They know who their allies are though, like in Spain.
I put it down mostly as agenda though, impersonal. The Polish Holocaust video though is just dripping with naked malice. I think it is rather awe-inspiring that someone could feel that way toward Poland. And be hot-headed long enough to produce the video. It would not surprise me in the least, if they next made a video about Ireland.
I read that letter first as signed by Israel, and thought it was brilliant satire.
88 comments. Lol.
hating jews just for being jews
People write this nonsensical line all the time and do you know why?
Violà!
(and almost nobody is actually an anti-Semite).
See no anti-Semites, hear no anti-Semites, speak of no anti-Semites.
There are no anti-Semites!
Moreover, the study seems to heavily rely on postwar Stalinist trials against supposed collaborators, which it takes at face value. Also on testimonies by Germans in postwar (1960s) German trials, which it also takes at face value, though obviously the Germans testifying there had an interest in deflecting blame to the Poles.
and yet they’re doing almost nothing for Germany or German interests.
Not true. We got rid of the commies for you.
In the particular case cited, it’s clear from a few minutes research on their lives that they had assimilated to the Sweden long ago – becoming bishops of the country’s religion and appearing as stereotype (to me as foreigner) of that culture itself.
As for the general point, about the possibility of brainwashing via media. Of course, this can be and is done – the example is quite clear that newspapers try to persuade you to their view in every edition they print.
But again, contemplate the case of Haaretz. It had the most prestigious newspaper in the country, and they publish as much as they want, with a liberal slant. And as a result, ten times less people buy the newspaper, than the comparable conservative one – because it is located in a country where the majority of the population think like red-necks, rather than New Yorkers. People are not so stupid or lacking agency as these conspiracies claim, and where newspaper do not accord with readership slant on these issues, they will leave a gap in the market for those that do. This is how CNN continuously loses its viewership to Fox News, or we are posting on this blog, instead of on Rationalwiki page. When there is enough of an appetite for a certain slant on issues – then even poorly written media like Breitbart could become the most popular website.
Your example in relation to Star Wars is a little different, as this supposedly a film for non-political content, and it is using subliminal messaging. But again, it’s a case where if you add content that is not appreciated by the viewers, the film will be less popular than otherwise – and that means ‘leaving money on the table’. It would be bad business, and this kind of bad business is possible when someone doesn’t mind losing money (which is possible when a wealthy person buys a newspaper, or in the case of people like Soros who are doing it for ‘philanthropy’), but will not be appreciated by shareholders, or those for whom it is the media is a source of income. In reality – there is likely to be an appetite for it. There are 40 million African Americans, there are 170 million women in America, there are tens of millions of sexual minorities. A lot of the diversity introduction in American media, is clearly good business. Showing that women are good at fighting, or that African Americans are the heroes – one might perceive that it is fantasy, but I would probably advocate their introduction, regardless of personal views for or against, if I worked in the entertainment industry.
Your Goebbels point is interesting – but the conclusion I draw is the importance of a free media, where all kinds of films can be shown. The ones which succeed, will be those which appease the tastes of the public for good or worse.
What actually pushes an educated and free public in different directions politically, has rather much deeper and more personal roots, than the latest Star Wars movie. What pushed the Russian-public away from simple-minded Westernization policy? Personal experience of the 1990s. What has pushed the Israeli public so far to the right, that they perceive liberal media as being traitors? Personal experience of weekly suicide bombings in the Second Intifada. And do you really consider that Star Wars could change their views.
And what has pushed Scandinavian liberal utopian views? The fact they lived the 20th century as exactly such liberal utopias (how do people of happy and cosseted childhood tend to approach political questions?). Here I see a national case of affluenza.
It seems so but they made a mistake her perhaps there was a sabotage. Actually it was god sent. Poles should use this opportunity and turn it around. See my comment #83.
Polish Holocaust could be turn into an effective brand just like Jewish Holocaust was and compete with it.
Merkel isn’t on speaking terms with Putin anymore since that incident with Putin’s dog Konni.
people like to bring up the ‘jew on the street’. Or even better, jews who were victims of other Jews.
Since we don’t live in a caste society, there will be average Jews hanging around. But they function as the social trampoline that bounces the ambitious/cognitive elite into the controlling citadels in society. By way of analogy, consider the claim only 10% of a scorpion is dedicated to his sting. What’s wrong, bigot? He’s 90% harmless. Stop stereotyping. Stop committing the fallacy of reification, and making his stinger essential to his definition.
An average Jew is an altitude triggered Poz Bomb. When he’s sufficiently high up the hierarchy of power within a society, he’ll start his tricks.
By the way, applied to Israel, it reminded me of the famous case of Sigrid Rausing’s utopian activity in Israel.
Sigrid Rausing is a Swedish convert to Judaism, from a family that has a history of affluenza. This has led her to apply the Scandinavian utopian model to activity in Israel, where she funds the NGOs like Adalah that organize the boycott of Israel (BDS campaign), as well as NGOs that conduct activism against deportation of illegal migrants.
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/funder/sigrid_rausing_trust/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigrid_Rausing
The dog incident (2007) is just a story for the masses to entertain them. Anyway, they talk all the time. In 2014 Putin made 35 calls to Merkel. That’s about once every two weeks.
But you don’t know what they’re talking about (unless your sources in the Deep State have told you)…could be sex talk, maybe Putin finds Merkel’s voice erotic.
“Jews are Powerful Globally”
This is a bizarre conclusion. Republicans want to let Israel have its cake and eat it too with a cherry on top, and Obama proposed removing the cherry. Oy vey, what an anti-semite, yowled the yids as Obama signed off on 30 billion worth of foreign aid. Obama helped them destabilize Syria to break the link in the chain between Hezbollah and Iran, and we have the Clinton emails to prove it.
Also, what about the non-Zionist faction of Jews, who are far more dangerous? Hollywood is full of them, and it alone wields enormous cultural influence all over the globe.
What makes Jews powerful is their networking, which is an evolved phenomenon and not a conspiracy theory. Power is generated by the interaction between things. While I wouldn’t say Jews are a fundamental cause of Western decline, they will turbo-charge any negative direction within a society they come to inhabit. They’re a force multiplier.
Re Warmongering, in How the Jews Defeated Hitler, (((Benjamin Ginsburg))) claims on p. 4 Jews successfully swung US isolationist and pro-German attitudes to hostility in the thirties.
In conjunction with Roosevelt’s left leaning administration, it seems the Jews really were out to crush the Third Reich no matter what Hitler did.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1G7H48SQQAXD8/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1557780218
(another Jewish researched tome)
You hold a highly unrealistic view of competition in the entertainment industry. Blockbuster movies are blockbusters because they have a very high budget and so a very high barrier of entry. Mel Gibson made a killing with The Passion, but his actors’ and other contributors’ careers suffered and so he couldn’t continue making conservative movies. In an interconnected industry you cannot do something which everyone else opposes because they can make your underlings suffer and so next time no one will want to work with you. And a high barrier of entry means there are not many dissenters like Mel Gibson in a position to make such movies spreading dissenting messages.
Your view of shareholders is totally unrealistic, like you have never heard of principal-agent problems or never understood how they can occur in big corporations (like when setting salaries of unsuccessful CEOs). The shareholders in Hollywood are also often of the same political tilt. They often don’t notice how much money they are leaving on the table, because they make a lot of money anyway. And they do leave money on the table, like the girl hero merchandise is not selling well in the case of Star Wars. This contrary to your naive assumption that it’s all about attracting girls to Star Wars movies. You know, girls don’t care that much about this type of movies regardless of girl heroes, it’s quite autistic to assume otherwise.
The competition is not large with TV channels either. With Fox, you have a mostly neocon channel. The rest are liberal, but in foreign policy it’s often indistinguishable from a neocon point of view. The choice is somewhat similar to political parties, you have the multiculturalist pro big business pro tax cuts pro wars party/channel vs. the more eagerly multiculturalist but less eagerly interventionist party/channel supporting raising taxes.
In websites, I guess you’re aware that this website is just a hobby project for Ron, and will only work as long as it’s important to him. Anyway, websites are the least important things with the most competition, but even there sites like this cannot compete in terms of news service with mainstream websites. With access to actual news agencies etc. Sites like Breitbart also needed wealthy supporters, I guess you guessed correctly, they were Zionist Jews.
Regarding the Bonniers, I don’t think your impression of their assimilation should be decisive. What we are talking about is some sense of alienation; and of course genetics. Neither of which disappear with superficial worldly success. You also seem to have very strange stereotypes of Swedes if you think a publisher/media/entertainment entrepreneur family is all that stereotypically Swedish. To me it matches the stereotypes of another ethnic group, I just forgot for the moment which one.
This Swedish “Jew” nicely dovetails into what I’m saying. He’s not really Jewish and is therefore probably alienated from Israel which is basically alien to him, and so he behaves like Jews do among Europeans, organizing NGOs with the subconscious aim of destroying the society of which he’s nominally a member.
Another thing to bear in mind: dumb goyem (cancer boy and his twink in the senate, your white professor signed up to the Boaz race denialism cult, your dumb Irishmen on Fox news disseminating pro-Zionist pro-neocon talking points), front Jewish intellectual and political cults. Thanks to Jewish networking, powerful institutional Jewish actors work to apply their theories outside of academic wankery.
So ‘John McCain hates Russia more than the Kagans’ is a fact that obscures more than it reveals.
Yes, very bizarre conclusion.
However Obama in some ways was making life much harder for Israel and Netanyahu managed to antagonize Obama which was unnecessary. While Syria got destabilized Obama did not implement the no-fly zone that would finish Syria off like Libya few years earlier. He seemed to be passively obstructing. Then Obama’s parting shot was to not veto UN resolution against Israel.
I forgot the most important thing: the deal with Iran that drove Netanyahu and neocons crazy.
Thanks for nothing. GDR was more reddpilled than West Germany.
I wouldn’t say redpilled, it still was a stupid socialist system. But in retrospect it’s clear that the federal republic with all the pernicious rot in its basic law (“right to asylum”), its culture of postnationalism which was fostered even by the supposed “conservatives”, its emerging multiculturalism and fixation on the Nazi past as the negative foundation of identity was already moving towards the current mess well before 1989. It might have been better if all of Germany had become communist in the 1940s, or if one had explored the possibility of a reunified and neutral Germany in the 1950s, the Cold war wasn’t worth it. Now we have the worst of both worlds, west German multiculti postnationalism plus GDR-like state-mandated “antifascism”.
Wrong. The Passion was a unique movie & one of the sort. Mel later made very successful “Apocalypto”, and his later films were not undermined by Jewish Hollywood hostility (which is real), but due to his excesses in booze, sex, life-disorientation & all.
If one’s celebrity career was undermined by organized ethnic grievances, it is the case of Richard Gere & the Chinese.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/richard-gere-hollywood-china
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/richard-gere-on-how-china-has-damaged-his-career-over-his-support-for-tibet-20170511-gw29g9.html
LOL@”Albanian lobby”. Are you serious?
I don’t recall US presidential candidates paying visits to Albanian “Public Affairs Comittee” to pledge fealty to Albanian state. They do pledge fealty to the Jewish state. It’s a quadrennial ritual in the United States.
If you’re unaware of how US domestic politics operates, how you can claim to understand the motivations for US foreign wars? Foreign policy is always the extention of domestic politics and in America, it is the Jews (not Albanians LMAO), who dominate both.
The so-called “Russian inteference” in US politics does happen to be a conspiracy theory, but the Jewish domination of America is an unfortunate reality, created by billions of dollars in campaign donations and a near total media control.
But you don’t know what they’re talking about (unless your sources in the Deep State have told you)…could be sex talk, maybe Putin finds Merkel’s voice erotic.
It’s so Putin can keep up his German (and perhaps Merkel her Russian).
They were not genuine converts. The church effectively used to be the government and seeking the position of bishop was like seeking the position of governor – it’s no evidence that the man was actually Christian. The infiltration of Lutheran clergy by Jews who continued to be Jews in private was one reason behind that outbreak of anti-Semitism that led to, well, you know what.
Jews weren’t the only people faking it. My family tree is full of men who sought positions in the church until about a century ago when government was secularized and clergy stopped being the main way for a social climber to gain power – and my family tree instantly stopped being interested in careers in the church. But my family was just exaggerating interest in Christianity, not maintaining a secret identity.
There is a subset of Jews who pursue a strategy of feigning assimilation while continuing to maintain their ethnic network with its separate interests. A person who has consciously crafted an outward appearance of assimilation to some national culture for the sake of business, power or other practical purpose while maintaining a different home identity is never going to have the same level of affinity for the national culture or its people. Yet at first glance the locals are likely to assume that the man who appears to be one of them shares their affinities. Now that it’s taboo to ask whether it’s actually the case in the case of a Jew we once again have a cultural and political problem.
It’s not that Jews are the only people capable of this strategy. In fact, Swedes have acted the same as a diaspora in Finland. At the time of the revolution we used to have a whole class of “Finnish nationalists” who were actually Swedes who changed their names to Finnish, started speaking Finnish in public (but Swedish in private), feigned interest in Finnic pagan religion and so on to become leaders of “Finnish nationalism”.
A common trend among these “Finnish nationalists” who weren’t actually Finns was pushing for conflict with Russia with little regard for the consequences. Swedes could always imagine just fleeing to Sweden in case of trouble and their desire to crusade against Russia was not tempered by fear of targeted retaliation since Russians wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between an actual Finn and a Swede pretending to be a Finn. Their crafted identity with Finnish names and other outwardly Finnish customs didn’t mean that they had the same interests.
But that’s just a local phenomenon and Swedes don’t act that way anywhere else. Jews seem to produce a subset pursuing a strategy of feigned assimilation everywhere they go and they take it to extremes like faking conversion into other religions just to gain power and influence.
Refreshing to read someone who reasons well, doesn’t stick a finger in the wind to decide which way to bloviate, and ultimately doesn’t take too seriously what others might excoriate about his opinions, without malice. And doesn’t take himself overly seriously, either.
Because Swedes are obviously not a diaspora people, whose whole identity is blood (but not soil), or whose whole culture works in a diaspora setting, or who are or were at some point in history a minority (with the accompanying grudges against locals etc.) in a whole bunch of countries, etc.
Jews are not really devils, just a people under really unique circumstances, with probable partial genetic adaptations.
I don’t know if it’s just anti-Putin (and pro-Merkel) propaganda, but I read that after the conversation turns deeper they always turn to Russian, because Merkel is more fluent in Russian than Putin in German, and Putin cannot express his more complicated thoughts in German well enough.
Yes, it’s because that’s the definition used implicitly when people like you need to hold up examples of “antisemites” to make people see it as something especially unpleasant and hate-filled. Skinhead thugs, obsessive NSDAP murderers, people who clearly actually hate jewish people just for being jewish.
But you knew that, of course.
“Almost nobody” is not the same as nobody.
But you knew that, of course.
The purpose of the moving definition you and your kind use is clear and has been explained many times – a form of equivocation akin to the “motte and bailey fallacy”, where you use one definition to establish evilness and then shift to a broader one to smear political opponents with that evilness. Same with the way antiracists use “racist”, homosexualist activists use “homophobe”, pro-immigration activists use “islamophobe”.
The same technique is used by many different groups, because it works often enough to be extremely effective.
Minority identity lobby liar:
“See that thug with the swastika tattoos beating up an old lady because she’s jewish? That’s an anti-Semite, that is. Aren’t anti-Semites nasty, hate-filled and despicable?”
Naif:
“Gosh, yes! That’s awful. You’re right. I agree now with your suggestions about laws against such people and such behaviour.”
Minority identity lobby liar:
OK, I’ve sorted out a definition of “anti-Semite” and made a list. We’re ready to go, and to expel these noxious people from decent society. Your financial contribution backed up by the charitable tax refund and government subsidy you voted for was very useful.
Naif:
“Ok. Er, that’s good I suppose. Won’t be seeing any more of those skinheads beating up old ladies around here.” [Peeks at list] “Wow, I never realised there were so many skinhead thugs around! Is that professor really an antisemite? And that lady who sings songs?”
Minority identity lobby liar:
“Of course. It’s all scientifically worked out by the entirely unbiased and disinterested experts at an institute devoted to the purpose.”
A few interesting facts:
Having been expelled from much of Western Europe, by 1550 about 90%
of the world’s Ashkenazi Jews lived in the Polish-Lithuanian Common-
wealth. At the same time they were effectively barred from Russia;
Throughout much of Poland’s history the Jews constituted 5-10% of the
population. It was about 10% in the 1920s-’30s, or about 3.5 million.
The percentages varied during the interwar period as hundreds of thousands
of Jews escaped from Russia in the 1920s. 10% in the U.S. would mean
about 32 million Jews instead of today’s 5-6 million. Imagine the United
States with 32 million Jews! Except for France, in much of Western
Europe the Jewish percentage is typically 0.1-0.3%.
The American expression “Russian Jews” seems to imply that the
millions of Jews who emigrated from the Russian Empire to the U.S.
came from Moscow, SPB, Saratov or Omsk. Of course, that’s nonsense.
They came mostly from the Pale of Settlement (i.e., roughly the eastern
part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) to which they were
confined, i.e., from today’s Lithuania, Belarus, and Western Ukraine.
Relatively few came from Congress Poland. The Jews thrived in 19th
century Poland, and didn’t want to leave. Under the arenda system
the Polish Jews were overrepresented in the entertainment and vice
industries, and in the distribution of alcoholic beverages at inns and
bordellos. Many of Israel’s Prime Ministers came from the former
Pol-Lith Commonwealth starting with Ben-Gurion who was born north
of Warsaw and Netanyahu whose father was born in Warsaw and his
surname was Milejkowski. Netanyahu should use his real name –
Milejkowski.
Russia, like China, India, and the U.S., is not a country. It’s still
an empire. It likes its huge territory. Therefore it’s compelled to pay
the price in terms of multiculturalism and lack of unity. All empires
are unstable due to extreme diversity, and need strong-man rule
to maintain fragile equilibrium. The U.S., for example, is very likely
to fall apart in the coming decades unless it (and it already is an oligarchy)
turns to autocratic rule.
First let me vent. I’ve never met a Jew who uses the word goyim or any variation thereof and I’ve never met a Jew who makes jokes at the expense of non-Jews vis a vis Jews themselves.
It may feel cute and insidery to write like you have but it comes across about as dumb as a box of rocks. Even American Blacks don’t ever write about American Whites in the same way. It is utter ignorance put forward passive aggressively as a sophisticated and humourous critique.
Anyway, venting almost done! I haven’t finished your article yet, I feel, in general, that you aren’t really empathising with your subject very well and occasionally draw a false conclusion to spice up your writing. Otoh, it is a difficult subject to be sensible on, for many reasons.
As for your observation that if an SJW supports Israel, 9/10 they are Jewish. This is basically true. Of course this could easily be seen, not as an inexcusable hypocrisy, but as a relative compliment of those Jews.
The pressure to conform to SJW norms is immense in Western capitals. Jews are under constant pressure to do so too. Pretty much any refusal to go along with the cult is a story of bravery and love, at least in my mind! Just as going along with the mutually reinforcing self-esteem boosting delusions and participating in every 2 minute hate session is a story of (understandable) cowardice.
The fact that what probably amounts to a substantial minority of Jewish SJWs buck the trend for Israel’s sake may be annoying to non-SJWs. After all, why can’t they just show the moral fortitude to not be SJWs? But then at least they are able to buck it in some way, and for a higher level virtue like loyalty, while the vast majority of SJWs show absolutely none of the character required to escape the SJW solipsistic trap.
Those Jewish SJWs may be mediocre at best in quality of character but the other SJWs are utterly abject.
I don’t know if it’s just anti-Putin (and pro-Merkel) propaganda, but I read that after the conversation turns deeper they always turn to Russian, because Merkel is more fluent in Russian than Putin in German, and Putin cannot express his more complicated thoughts in German well enough.
I can’t find it now, but I recall reading somewhere that it was precisely the opposite!
That joke was told by a Silicon Valley Soviet Jew to other Soviet Jews and who, I strongly suspect, was under the mistaken impression that I was a Jew.
I certainly don’t mind them telling such jokes, at least so long as it goes both ways.
I learned the word ‘goy’ from the alt right. When I first read it I had absolutely no idea what it meant and had never heard nor seen it previously. It was entirely alien to me.
I’ve never heard an anti-gentile joke either.
Yet, I have heard many Jews say anti-Jewish jokes. Then again, I am English so moderate self-deprecation is traditional social behaviour.
I assume that were I to meet those two ex-Soviet Jews I would, against my better self, internally label them as yokels. That type of self-congratulatory humour only works if the real joke in on you for acting the chauvinist simpleton. Perhaps they were doing that? Perhaps they’re just a bit basic…
It would certainly make more sense if it was the other way around, since Merkel never lived in Russia, but Putin did live in Germany for an extended period of time, so it’d make more sense for Putin to have learned German better than for Merkel to have learned Russian. But Merkel is known to have won some prize for her excellent knowledge of Russian, so who knows. It doesn’t matter much, except it’d be interesting if a false propaganda spread fake news on Putin’s lack of German skills. Until there’s some (credible) source, I won’t think it is so, though.
Continuing,
There were some problems with the huge Jewish population
in 19th century Poland. As most of them were Orthodox and ultra-
Orthodox, they had enormous birthrates. As mentioned, they were
overrepresented in the vice industries. This scandalized not only
the Polish Christians but also their Jewish brethren. For example,
there were periodic raids on the Jewish-run bordellos in Warsaw
around 1905 BY RELIGIOUS JEWS, but to no avail. The Jews could
not police their own. That undermined their reputation. Harvey
Weinstein almost sounds like a character from 19th-century Jewish
Warsaw.
Until World War I, the Polish Jews often refused to learn Polish.
For example, Isaac Bashevis Singer who was born and raised in Poland,
mostly in Warsaw, barely spoke Polish and wrote his books in Yiddish.
But you’ve got to give him credit: in his memoirs he wrote how intensely
happy he was growing up in Poland as a Jew. To many, unlike Russia and
Ukraine, Poland around 1900 was still Paradisus Iudaeorum (Jewish Paradise).
Then came WW I. Unfortunately, many prominent Jews were vehemently
opposed to Poland regaining independence after 123 years. They even argued
against it at the Peace Conference in Versailles. Nevertheless, while the Jews
were escaping from the Russian Empire to the U.S. by the million, the Polish
Jews were so happy in Poland that relatively few came to the U.S. Many even
participated in the wars of Polish independence under Gen. Pilsudski. That’s how
Poland, other than the U.S., ended up with the world’s largest number of Jews
in the 1920s. Of course, Jews historically have preferred multiethnic empires
to nations.
World War II – unfortunately 150,000 Jews fought in Hitler’s army. How many
Poles were killed or wounded by the German Jews is not known at this point.
Perhaps it’ll never be known. During the interwar period, a number of Polish
Jews, just like their cousins in New York, were Communist sympathizers. This
made them suspect in Polish eyes because they seemed to want to bring Communism
from the Soviet Union to Poland.
After WW II, the Polish fears were substantiated, the Soviets imposed Communism
in Poland, putting Polish Jews in prominent government and industrial
positions. They lived a very privileged life while the Christian population
starved. The Jews were also overrepresented among the secret police and torture
apparatus. Many patriotic Poles (incl. priests) were tortured and executed, their
children were kidnapped and executed. This is a painful chapter in Poland’s
history that still needs a lot of research. But none of that endeared the Jews to
the Polish population. Poland was indeed Jewish paradise for many centuries,
but then the Jews’ leftist tendencies and what today is referred to as Cultural Marxism
undermined good relations between the Jews and the Christians in Poland. As
the Nobel laureate Czesław Miłosz wrote in his autobiography, the Polish behavior,
unlike the Russian and Ukrainian behavior, and even more so German behavior,
has typically been characterized by “moral restraint.” For example, murder rates
in Poland have been much lower than in Russia, Ukraine, or the U.S. There were
mass shootings in Germany in 2002 and 2009 where German teenagers killed
15-16 school children. I could not imagine this happening in Poland.
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Mostly true. Jews in Poland had never assimilated at rates comparable to Russia (I won’t even mention Germany). Apart from Julian Tuwim & Bruno Schulz, there are no significant Jewish Polish literary figures. The same goes for other spheres, although there are exceptions (mathematician Kuratowski).
And beyond that, Mr. Karlin is just immensely likable. I’m sure there’s some form of cognitive tribalism in that – most of his readers probably relate to him because they also have some interest in understanding-maximization rather than the usual ego-maximization potential that the Internet provides.
In such, it probably limits his readership. But it makes for a much more worthwhile community overall.
I’m convinced that if it hadn’t been for (1) German antisemitism amply
demonstrated during the medieval expulsions and the mass killings of Jews
and Poles during WW II (adding antipolonism to the list of German sins),
and (2) Soviet Communism imposed on Poland, Poland would still have
the world’s highest percentage of Jews, not 2% as in the U.S., but perhaps
5-6%, i.e., a couple of million Jews would still be living in Poland to this day.
True, many would have left for Israel and USA, but millions would be left.
A 19th century visitor to Poland said that the Polish are the only people in
the world whose bonhomie is so high that it’s capable of dissolving Jewish
venom.
When intelligent people like K. MacDonald speaks about Jewish influence on Sweden, I am astonished suspect some mental disorder. Yes, I know MacD is a professor in psychology and I know that it was the Frankfort School that first floated the idea that antisemitism is a mental problem. Only a few hundred Jews live in Sweden, they are mostly first and second generation and not rich, and live in fear of Muslim and local violence. They have zero influence on Swedish public life or politics. Regarding the Bonnier family, I do not know by what criterion they can be considered Jews, since no Bonnier has much Jewish blood at all and none practices Judaism or know what it may be. On the other hand, there is real, ongoing, open and public Jewish effort to influence Sweden, and that is Israel trying to moderate Sweden extreme anti-Israeli position. Israel is unhappy with the Swedish government support of the Palestinian extremists and the Swedish boycott of some Israeli products, artists , etc. It goes without saying that Israeli – Jewish – efforts are failing miserably. If Jews had a hundredth of the influence and power the antisemites like MacD attribute to us, Sweden would be our best friend and supporter in the United Nations.
I found the joke funny, too and am obviously not Jewish. It plays off the surprise of “like.”
just like the Jews with the Arabs.
This sets the reader’s mind to the usual track of “quality over quantity.” Which is then made dissonant by…
But do we have enough Jews?
But its not enough to have quality. It has to be the quality of the Jewish!
One can argue that the joke only works well on individuals who are fairly sophisticated enough that such ethnic assumptions aren’t strong enough that the surprise of the punchline can work. Like most humor, it subverts expectations.
Its similar to the humor in this, imo:
Tonto and the Lone Ranger were riding through a canyon together, when all of a sudden both sides were filled with Indian warriors on horses, dressed for battle. The Lone Ranger turned to Tonto and asked, “What are we going to do?” Tonto replied, “What you mean ‘we,’ White Man?”
Historically, the Liberal establishment was neutral towards Zionism.
Even some of them are antiZionist (although mostly are quiet about it, because of antisemite card and Jewish money and so on).
Obama had come to power thanks to Jews in Chicago I believe.
However, Obama was also influenced by Zbig. Zbig was antiZionist. And even vocal about it
The Mainline Protestant churches tend to be neutral towards Israel or antizionist. Their world council of churches (I forget the name) is an example. Some of those libs elites prefer Arab oil over Israel.
(though in recent decades that preferance has been reduced).
However, most Liberal Jews are Zionist. And they again have money and most vote Democrat.
And some Mainline protestants do support Israel in some way.
This together with the Neocon-Zionist pressure. Democrats are Zionist leaning.
Mainline churches have a shrinking population. And their old Anglo elite has less power than it used to.
This is strange, but in the Paleolit, Europe was also a world leader in the field of high art.
https://profilib.net/reader/37/28/b22837/011.jpg
Maybe it is a generational thing but I rolled my eyes when I read your follow-up joke.
OT: Anatoly, here is an article about Ukrainian Nazis immigrating to Israel as a result of the civil war. It’s in Hebrew but should work with google translate: http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/537815
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al7Bzeo-LP0
I grew up in a largely Jewish area. Not to be Pauline Kael here, but of the majority of Jews I’ve known personally, or with one degree of separation, I have a hard believing that they were of the same tribe as the über-successful tribe members controlling finance, media, politics. A lot of the ones I’ve known were working low-end jobs and constantly hustling or they were under-performers and always kvetching. I’ve even known some Jews who had science and law degrees who worked as antique dealers or liquor store clerks and who never had a pot to piss in and would always have big ideas about how to start a new soft drink or some other far-fetched idea. One Jewish family friend was a Ph.D. nuclear physicist and retired professor who had worked on the Manhattan Project. My mom was friends with his wife (also a scientist). They lived a very modest life, drove an old Datsun shitcan, and had a crappy house in need of constant repair. They had financial problems later in the life and my mom had to help them as much as she could. For every Michael Bloomberg you have 99 not-so-successful Jews. I know this is all anecdotal but as Nassim Taleb says, anecdotes are more salient than statistics.
Because of the donors and the influence of what I call “legacy” Dems (Democrats who came up in a different era and a different America). The Dems will be Corbynized by 2028 at the latest.
What is it in the joke that made you find it worthy of “eye rolling”? I didn’t laugh at it myself because I have heard it a number of times over the decades, but I recognise the humour in it. It is inherently funny because of the unexpected ruthlessness of Tonto’s quick change of sides contrasted with the Lone Ranger’s rather naïve assumption of loyalty. Noticeably, it’s the opposite of what you criticised Anatoly’s jewish joke for, since from a white perspective it’s rather self-deprecatory.
World War II – unfortunately 150,000 Jews fought in Hitler’s army.
I believe this should be qualified to indicate that they were (probably almost entirely) Mischlinge, i.e. only half or quarter Jewish. It is still quite surprising, I have to admit.
Just chiming in: I have heard the word “goyish” used by some of my Jewish acquaintances. It was used in a joking, fairly benign way, among and referring to themselves. However, both favor anti white policies. One clearly has an historical grudge, which I find quite bizarre, for a variety of reasons, the least not being that he is atheistic and only half a Jew.
Imagine a half Irishman/half Englishman who hated England and wanted to ethnically transform it. It’s impossible. Many full Irishmen enjoy the old songs and a good social ribbing against the English, but have no real ill will. The most radical only want Ireland to be reunited. They don’t want to ethnically transform England. But, then again, they have roots.
BTW, HuffPost ran a headline “Goy, Bye” a while back before pulling it. There was a clear subtext about immigration trends. I have only known one Jew who ever made a critical comment about immigration. He was not what I would call a metropolitan, but grew up distantly from the main urban ring.
Are you for real? Trolling perhaps?
He is a troll, I think. Pretending to be a Jew from so high upper English society that he has never heard the word goy until he saw it alt right site or something.
That seems to be accurate. I have similar experiences. Personally I like them the middle lower middle class American Jews. They are so much more interesting to be with than American gentiles from the same strata.
Not a straightforward troll. On the face of it he’s a rather naïve young middle class jewish guy from a family in Britain. That could be a trolling pose or it might not. Be interesting to find out.
I can believe it might be a term that has never come up in his particular social circle.
It is not that Zbig was anti-zionist, it is that Zbig saw a bigger picture than the neocons. So when Obama came some of Obama’s moves to neocons appeared anti-zionists. But Obama was taking care of the Empire. It was under him that the shift towards the anti-American left in Latin America was stopped and reversed. The neocons did care about Latin America because there were all about Israel so under Bush Latin America got a bit too uppity.
In a long run the goal of the two factions is the same. The difference is that the neocons want to keep Jerusalem in the center all the time so when the final victory will comes the center of world will be in Jerusalem which WASP Lib Jew coalition would prefer to keep the center of the Empire whet it always was somewhere on the East Coast. But the empire is only one.
Trump brought back the neocon faction to power with stronger tilt towards the orthodox: “He knows all the crooks in Israel” faction.
I do think the better examples of European paleo art are qualitatively better than those elsewhere in the world, but as evidence it is sort of muddled because geology and climate arguably result in few surviving examples elsewhere.
I’m inclined to think the Muslim prohibition on a lot of religious art may be some gene-cultural co-evolution thing. Lower native ability resulting in less predilection. Saudi Arabia has no permanent rivers, so perhaps it has something to do with trade.
Jews are sometimes said to be deficient in spatial intelligence, but I think that only applies to Ashkenazi and it is only a relative lack compared to verbal.
Recently, one site in Europe has been dated to 60,000 years ago. Neanderthal times. The photos look unimpressive, but there are some sketches of it that are more interesting. They show animals. Again there are the reservations about climate and geology preserving examples. But still it does make one wonder if there is something particular about Europe.
I would imagine that if you know anything of Jews and their history, you must get 7 or more true,
so why are there white or almost white spots on the map. It is probably the same as that in the 19th century there were white spots in the world map. Not studied.
I can think of three reasons for these white or light blue spots:
1. Do the people know anything about Jews? In the Northern countries people do not know, because in the Swedish time Jews were not allowed to settle in Sweden, so there are very few and very few have met them or thought about JQ and they answer as they would answer of any other people.
2. How strong is the type of Christianity that says that you must support Israel since they are God’s people. It is so in the USA, maybe some groups think so in the GB also?
3. Many think it is more intelligent and cultured to say politically correct things, and why should they not, not their problem?
I certainly don’t mind them telling such jokes, at least so long as it goes both ways.
First the UK runs out of Hungarians and now AK is worried about running out of Ivans.
when people like you
you and your kind
I’m on your side, Randal.
As usual you are over thinking and not doing a very good job at it anyway.
I would like to make one observation. The evidence is pretty clear that a homosexual orientation for a small % is out of their control. It is an abnormal normality.
Echo of Moscow has to be the most hilariously ironic name ever. ahhaahahahahaha
Lone Ranger’s rather naïve assumption of loyalty
Loyalty is generic.
“We” expect Band of Brothers type loyalty. Evidently racial/ethnic loyalty was more important to Tonto.
For me, after a few minutes of research, they are a stereotype of rich, very ‘posh’, Swedish with inherited sources of income, and affluenza – very similar to the Rausing family I mention above.
Of course, in 150 years ago they were Jews – but how many generations have they been Christians and intermarrying. They are 1/8 Jewish or 1/16 Jewish?
(I can hardly relate my modest family to this kind of bourgeois dynasty. But my grandfather had Jewish descent (his mother). By the third-generation, this becomes more just something interesting on the family tree, told as a story every couple years, than something which shapes your upbringing or creates any distinctions. Actually I am quite interested in Jewish affairs since I was a teenager and I lived in Israel for several months five years ago – I still have friends in Israel and really love this country, but nobody else in my family has any interest or even notices the subject; the majority are rather unlike me).
To go back on topic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Bonnier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Bonnier
“She established a foundation for the beautification of Stockholm, which in its first years financed paintings and sculptures for public places and institutions, such as the Royal Library, Stockholm University, and several Stockholm schools. The foundation remains active.”
“Eva Bonnier suffered from frequent depressions and took her own life in 1909.”
Those two – quite talented.
And then others just Christian liberals I would infer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ke_Bonnier
Well Reiner I enjoy your posts usually. But you’re the resident psychoanalyst that diagnoses people with autism. And this – like most people on this site – is generally a strange claim about how liberals and utopians actually think.
Liberals generally believe in their liberalism. Some are malicious, have chips on their shoulders, others are clear psychos with a chaos agenda (Soros), etc, but the majority feel they are doing good and benefactors.
In Rausing’s case – of course, she is in ivory tower (belonging to Sweden’s richest family), and doesn’t need Israel to protect her. So she has no real stake in it.
But much more you can just perceive her Swedish utopian liberalism, from a woman who grew up in a cozy environment.
She actually believes the left tradition, and that Israel would be better off if it took illegal immigrants, became more multi-cultural, was pacifist, etc. She grew up in a safe environment and doesn’t perceive the dangers that are only visible to those from more precarious background.
In other words, she wants Israel to become another version of Sweden.
I don’t think she is malicious or alienated.
The last sentence in the article I will link below is quite interesting and may support your interpretation though:
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-jewish-chronicle/20070518/282192236555718
Sure, there are high barriers to entry in the industry. But there is a lot of competition between studios, a lot of motive to move into the industry (the massive profits) and the success of a film is determined exactly by its profits.
The ‘autistic’ viewpoint is the assumption that the introduction of diversity agenda into movies is not popular or at least motivated by an attempt to be popular (rather than inferring rather strange conspiracies). The latest Star Wars diversity has failed, but it was very clearly motivated by an attempt at popularity (i.e. the Chinese character to appeal to the Chinese market, etc).
Breitbart is popular became of its anti-immigration and anti-liberal agenda. It filled a gap in the market like Fox did some years earlier. The Zionist aspect of Breitbart is not really the key to its success, although it does accord with the views of the largest segment of the readership (i.e. the Republican base).
Gibson movies are still bestselling blockbusters. The reason is because they are a kind of trash that appeals to viewers with low cultural level, like every other blockbuster film.
Meanwhile, we still have extremely talented filmakers, making good films.
But you are not going to get rich making such films, as they do not appeal to the ‘lowest common denominator.
The only good film released last year, Nelyubov’ – was the 99th most popular film of last year in its home market.
https://www.kinopoisk.ru/index.php?level=6&view_best_box=1&view_best_box=3&view_year=2017
The “Goy, bye” thing was an idiot Huffington post version of the idiot pseudo-insider chat that Anatoly unfortunately fell into briefly in his article. Indeed it was directly inspired by their misunderstanding of the alt right phenomenon.
As I interpret the joke, only because (in this case) the circumstances suddenly made that the sensible course of action. But I first heard the joke decades ago when racial/ethnic loyalty just wasn’t as forefront an issue as it is today (iirc it was “pale face” not “white man” in the older tellings).
Not on this issue you aren’t. Nor on free speech. And those are two pretty big and interrelated issues. The latter much more than the former for me, actually.
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Presumably this is referring back to a previous conversation. From my point of view it’s of no consequence whether “homosexual orientation” is under control or not. Indeed since I regard “homosexual orientation” as merely modern homo lobby speak for being tempted to do homo sex stuff, I tend to assume it probably is outside their control to some extent, as many temptations to sin are. It’s not the temptations that matter but what they do in response. I have frequently been tempted to sleep with women other than my wife. I don’t feel in the slightest bad about that and nor do I consider myself an adulterer as a result. I suppose if I were to feel a temptation to have sex with another man or with an Alsatian or some other animal (the two situations are directly comparable imo) then I would feel rather perturbed and concerned, but I wouldn’t feel guilty about it. I just would deal with it by not responding to it and suppressing or diverting it.
But this seems rather dramatically off topic.
Cliched white-bashing makes me roll my eyes. I’ve been brought up in an age where those who do it are posing as brave and taboo breaking while actually being drearily conventional. The two jokes share that, from my perspective. It’s so predictable and therefore so boring. As is the po-faced lecturing (from abject ignorance) that normally accompanies it.
He may be referring to Lutheran Church organizations in the Midwest.
That’s obvious nonsense. Among the “blockbusters” there are very talented movies
Talented films fail at the box office only in very very rare cases.
As with classical music, in the time when there was still a large audience for them, as recently as the 1970s – they enjoyed moderate ticket sales. Tarkovsky was popular when our parents were growing up.
But the films which generate larger profits, in a rather trivial way ‘talented’ in terms of being able to appeal to the lowest common denominator in the audience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films
Although I don’t see a great tragedy in this so long as there can be maintained enough of a minority audience to allow the good filmmakers to still work (just as there is still an audience for classical music concerts to be performed in the large cities, even if they are hardly of great popularity in comparison to the trash music).
I know I am not naïve. I am too earnest, I admit. But we’re living through a true tragedy. Almost none of the actors are evil. They do what they do for understandable reasons, yet the result is a slowly unfolding horror show. The Jew obsession among much of those who, like me, can see the horror of it all, is counterproductive and based on muddled thinking. So it is truly tragic in exactly the same way. It also contributes to our problems….which is why I’m minded to post here.
I don’t think subjects like ‘sociology’ or ‘evolutionary psychology’ require any intelligence to write in. They require a high degree of confirmation bias to string together your hypothesis, while discounting things that disprove or contradict your viewpoint. These theories are mainly operating in the realm of confirmation bias. But if you are an engineer and you reason like this in your work (i.e. without constant double-checking and examining of contradictions, and checking that you are not bewitched by confirmation bias), your figurative bridge will fail.
Slezkine, in his book, The Jewish Century: “The Jews, who were not numerous among the -nonelite victims, were underrepresented in the Great Terror as a whole. In 1937-38 about 1 percent of all Soviet Jews were arrested for political crimes, as compared to 16 percent of all Poles and 30 percent of all Latvians. By early 1939, the proportion of Jews in the Gulag was about 15.7 percent lower than their share of the total Soviet population.”
You have to assume that (at least during the period of the Great Purge/Terror) Jews were perceived by the regime as being more loyal than the Soviet norm. Maybe understandable given the geo-political context preceding the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
OK that makes sense, and I share your distaste for clichéd white-bashing. Though I think it’s a bit of a stretch applying that to Chieh’s joke. As I admitted, from a white perspective it’s self-deprecatory (unless you see a nobility in the naïve assumption of loyalty), but it also can be interpreted as critical of Tonto for being cynically disloyal, or (perhaps more modern) being loyal to his identity group over his comrade. It can be interpreted as representing a “realist” view of the world that says that in the end you can only trust your own ethnic group.
But it’s funny not because of any of those “political” interpretations, but because of the contrast I referred to previously. De gustibus non est disputandum, though, I suppose.
OK. The impression I get is that you are very much rather naïve about your own group, but that’s not really a criticism, especially in someone young and therefore necessarily relatively inexperienced. You aren’t stupid, clearly. But nor is iffen.
This is a matter of opinion, obviously, and yours is not shared by some very experienced and competent observers here who can produce examples and arguments to back up their position (and by a lot of fools as well, but that’s by the by).
One man’s “Jew obsession” is another’s recognition of problems caused by jewish influence.
Your assumption that it’s “counterproductive” is obviously based upon the denial of the belief of others that jewish influence is itself part of the problem. Speaking as someone who has been directly threatened with police harassment and prosecution merely for expressing opinions, by a jewish man using the resources of an explicitly jewish organisation, I am going to take quite a lot of convincing now that jewish collective attitudes and behaviour aren’t a big part of the problems my country faces.
In maths and computer science/engineering applications, the Polish Jews were significant part of total Polish contributions. Tarski, Stanisław Ulam, Mandelbrot, Hugo Steinhaus, Emil Post, probably some more of that era.
I took some set theory classes at university and was interested a little and reading about Tarski. Tarski is seen as a kind of undiscovered hero in computer science as well.
This covers a general theme in other countries – where the Jewish populations are at best not more significant in cultural contribution than their population size. But in some fields like laying groundwork for computer science they were more heavily involved.
Tarkovsky’s films were (in 1970) interesting to a very small number of people. And today these films are interesting to very very small number of people. I think these movies deserve to be called “trash”, not the product of Mel Gibson with shooting and chase.
from your link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_E5cSkRNNzuk/TH_zPQy4poI/AAAAAAAAJ1M/BC0ZOyRRI-g/s1600/GoneWiththeWindPoster.jpg
and: ” franchise films have been among the best performers in the 21st century. Six Harry Potter films and five films from Peter Jackson’s Middle-earth series are included in the nominal earnings chart, while the Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean franchises feature prominently.”
Middle-earth series and Star Wars (first!) realy great films
Presence on the ground in Sweden seems irrelevant. Sweden (like the rest of Western Europe) has been a de facto part of the American Empire since 1945. It’s a statement of obvious fact that West Europeans have undergone a process of Americanization since WW2. For example, how long was it between the time when “hippies” made their first appearance in California in 1966 and they became common in Stockholm? Swedes have watching American TV and movies and listening to American music for a long time.
Some Swedish guy:
http://conswede.blogspot.com/2008/07/social-paradigms-shift-eg-our-view-on.html
At least she is consistent. Barbara Spectre on the other hand came from Israel to Sweden and promotes immigration and multi-ethnic society.
Both Sigrid Rausing and Barbara Specter promote the same in the host societies however one can’t accuse Sigrid Rausing of duplicity.
After WWII Swedes wanted to prove to themselves and to the world that they were the most progressive, most fair, most just nation in the world. They succeeded. They began to believe it and the original motive surfaced: their pride. And as we know the hubris always precedes the fall. They wanted to meddle into the world affairs which for everybody it was very irritating as they were always coming form morally superior position: look at us how just we are. They took the case of Palestinians. It was imperative for them to support the underdog. Every compassionate person should take the case of Palestinians. That’s when their problems have began. Politicians got assassinated. Their altruism was taken advantage of. Borders were open. Characters like Barbara Specter with well funded NGO’s began to operate and soon Sweden was filling up with Muslims and Arabs. The familiarity breeds contempt. Nothing cures idealistic notions about the underdog in some far away land like the actual familiarity with subject of your pity and compassion. Still the Swedes were right except that they overextended because of their pride and then they were skillfully tripped by much more sophisticated players.
Wir war Könige.
Wow, I got 9/11 and I’ve always considered myself a philosemite. Go figure.
Very serious. Albanian lobby existed and was quite influential back in the day. Major US politicians had been on the take: Bob Dole, John McCain, Joe Lieberman. See this:
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/benworks/buying.html
There were other examples. Ukrainian lobby was quite important for decades (even more important in Canada.) Even the Georgian lobby made an appearance when McCain hired a Georgian lobbying as a foreign policy adviser for his presidential campaign.
On the other hand, all attempts to set up an effective Russian lobby had been cut down quite ruthlessly. Even the Chinese are not having much success, even though they have a huge diaspora in USA and more money than God.
This just illustrates what I had been saying. Ethnic lobbies can be powerful but their power is derivative. If their agenda coincides with the general course of the American military/intelligence/diplomatic establishment (or the “deep state” if you like) then they are allowed to thrive and even influence specific policy. If not, they go the way of the Albanian lobby or are not allowed to exist in the first place.
Well if you measure by how audience numbers – I suppose that Justin Bieber latest song is superior to Bruckner’s 8th symphony?
To be honest, looking at the inflation adjusted list lower down in the article (Gone with Wind – I haven’t seen; but Jaws is somewhat entertaining), it is rather better than the non-inflation adjusted list.
But in the top 50 highest grossing films, I can only see Jurassic Park as even a film I could watch twice. Maybe a couple others on the list, like Zootopia or Titanic, I would say are at least well-made. But the vast majority of this list is pure trash even from a populist standard (Furious 7 with $1.5 billion).
Easy to test whether this is true or not. Just read Sholem Aleichem.
Sholem Aleichem was a Jewish comic writer who was writing in a language that few non-Jews bothered to learn at the time. Neither would occur to him that his stories would ever be translated., especially given that he usually wrote for newspapers, magazines and other such impermanent media. In other words, he was writing for Jewish eyes only.
So how many of his jokes are at the expense of dumb non-Jews?
Read and find out for yourself.
I always thought it was a funny example of cynical disloyalty rather than either Lone Range or Tonto being representative of his entire ethnic group. I certainly didn’t see it as white-bashing.
Me too. I was just exploring other plausible interpretations in the light of Tyrion2’s comment and his explanation that he saw it differently.
Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there. Watching a Tarkovsky film is like a drink of clear spring water after a drought to me — it’s one of the things that makes me remember what it means to be Russian after too long a time surrounded by foreign (American/Canadian) culture and foreign habits of thought in everyday life.
Granted, maybe to an American, Mel Gibson movies have the same effect. To each their own.
In terms of ticket sales:
Ivan’s Childhood – 16.7 million tickets
Andrei Rublyov – shelved for years, 2.98 million tickets when finally released with 277 prints
Solaris – 10.5 million tickets from only 5 cinemas
The Mirror – released in only 73 prints, no ticket numbers available
Stalker – 4.3 million tickets
Nostalghia – released in exile, no numbers can be found
The Sacrifice – same as above
No, not quite as popular as the #1 Soviet box office hits (which would sell ~30-60 million tickets), but not nothing either. Well-known within intelligentsia class (and of course, quite successful among foreign film critics).
Besides, Tarkovsky uses a very different film language, and diversity of habit and thought are a good thing to experience, lest we forget that there is more than one way to live, and think about, our lives.
I’ll add my ancedotes. I grew up with a Jewish friend and we were all reasonably close, but around his teens, he began to get increasingly impressive accomplishments: we all wrote, but he would get published; some of us were getting getting to student associations, he became an intern at a major MSM outlet; and by the time we were poking around for careers, he already was set to be a journalist.
I asked how he managed those things and he always shrugged and said “nepotism.”
Mind you, he was smart and capable(and perhaps self-deprecating), but it did seem that there’s a strong network that helps too, and this goes beyond even the typical socioeconomic privilege that all of us had growing up. It reminds me a bit of Chinese guanxi, but much more effective and efficient, with a focus on media and messaging rather than doctors and engineering.
One more.
When my parents were in business, we were primarily supplied by a Jewish businessman. For some reason, our shipments kept having “extra” goods in them, which we decided to report and send back. Mysteriously afterward, the terms of business would improve.
In retrospect, its possible that he considered that Chinese businessmen were generally dishonest and greedy, and therefore set out business/social traps like that in order to weed out individuals who are not worth doing business with. In that fashion, it would seem that he and perhaps many other Jews come from a culture uniquely well equipped with living and dealing with low-trust.
Incidentally, I think this is the first time I’ve ever written about the “JQ.” I suppose that cherry had to be burst eventually.
Slezkine cherry-picks Latvians and Poles for his comparisons. These were two ethnicities with their own independent and, at the time, hostile nations. Soviet state always treated such ethnicities with extra suspicion. The Jews would later get such treatment as well, after establishment of Israel.
In any case, arrest for political crimes was not the only reason to dislike the regime. How about, for example, being kicked out of your home and stripped of all your valuables?
No need to use a cultural-relativism here, just because they both are both films – there is little else in common. Mel Gibson movies are assemblage of barely-watchable cliches, nothing to do with art – but closer to propaganda.
Tarkovsky was an artist, i.e. someone who sees the world a bit differently, that tries to bring us (the audience) into this different perspective, and perhaps show us something we wouldn’t otherwise have considered.
im glad u finally admitting jewish involvment in the carnage of WW2 ‘ I think a case can be made that the Poles and Ukrainians participating in the holocaust were not much different from the Jews participating in the same, like Jewish Council or Jewish Police members. They participated to avoid near certain death.’
But this seems rather dramatically off topic.
We are discussing the JQ. Both are accidents of birth.
Should be normal abnormality instead of abnormal normality.
im glad u finally admitting jewish involvment in the carnage of WW2 ‘ I think a case can be made that the Poles and Ukrainians participating in the holocaust were not much different from the Jews participating in the same, like Jewish Council or Jewish Police members. They participated to avoid near certain death.’there was no Blue Police in getto.Getto had its own -very strict &cruel jewish police in there
Or read Leo Rosten, The Joys of Yiddish.
There was Blue Police at the wall or entry points to the ghetto.
Dissolve the people and elect another.
A really well reasoned post, I agree with most of its points. However, I do have to disagree a bit with your take on #11, which relies heavily on the deeply flawed. “117 countries” meme:
Firstly, “Jews” as an entity of one sort or another have existed for a very, very long time, as one can see from the fact that the first entry on the list dates back 2,500+ years ago. For much of this time, there has not been an independent Jewish state with a monopoly on violence within its borders, and Jews have been residents of polities where a different ethny could wield overwhelming military force. That means that there have simply been a lot of opportunities to expel “Jews” from countries relative to, say, Carthaginians or Germans. (And as a corollary, one could no doubt produce a long list of many countries where Jews resided peacefully for long periods of time, simply because Jews have existed for thousands of years and across many countries.)
Secondly, there’s a galling inconsistency in terms of victim-blaming by many white nationalists. When Jewish people, as an ethnic and religious minority, are disliked/expelled by a majority—well that just goes to show how uniquely terrible Jews are, they wouldn’t be disliked if they didn’t deserve it, etc. (“oy vey, why do they persecute us so?”)
But when, say, whites in South Africa are hated and persecuted by the black majority, the same white nationalists don’t conclude “oh, the hatred the blacks have must be because Afrikaners are especially terrible people—why else would they be hated?” And the same is true for many other cases: the Algerian hatred of the Pied-Noirs, the Amerindian hatred of white settlers, the Chinese hatred of European Christian missionaries, and so on—does this mean that white Christians must just be unusually terrible, horrible people? Or from a religious standpoint, does the persecution at various points of Christians and the suppression of their faith by pagans and Muslims show that Christians must have just deserved to be hated for their terrible behavior?
And the same principle is hopefully clear, if less emotionally salient, to white nationalists in cases not involving whites: does anyone look at the expulsion of Indians from Uganda in 1972 and conclude that it must have been the Indians’ fault, and Idi Amin must have had good reasons to do so? Does anyone look at the crimes committed against the Yazidis in Iraq today and say “well, I’m sure ISIS must have a good reason for hating them, they probably deserve it.” ?
In a world where Jews were 90% of the population of a continent and Christians a small stateless minority on it, no doubt Jewish intellectuals would reflectively stroke their beards and conclude that the plight of Christian minorities in so many countries simply goes to show that Christians are especially terrible people whose bad behavior justifies their ill treatment.
My Mom (American born Irish w/ one Irish born parent) remembers German neighbors in Chicago circa 1939-40 who went to Nazi propaganda films at local the Lutheran church about “Polish atrocities.”
You are a troll after all. My first suspicion was correct.
Years ago I read Raul Hilberg’s “Perpetrators, Victims, and Bystanders” and as far as I remember that Poles were in the Bystanders category and furthermore he did not have anything harsh to say about the Blue police. This is what I found in Wiki:
But Raul Hilberg was the old school Holocaust historian. His yet unpublished manuscript was used by Hannah Arendt in her “Eichmann in Jerusalem” where she wrote extensively on the role of Jews and Judenrats that made the holocaust as we know it possible. For this her book was not translated into Hebrew for several decades. Israel kids who undergo the mandatory Holocaust indoctrination with trips to Auschwitz know nothing about it. Holocaust historians from the “new school” borrowed scientific apparatus and methodology form modern social studies departments (or perhaps the borrowing was were other way around ) and seem to be on the constant warpath just like the SJW’s in search of new enemies and perpetrators. Jewish participation and their role in Holocaust is not a subject of research anymore.
Personally I believe that the decisions made in Israel in 1950’s to abandon prosecuting of Jewish collaborators was correct with stipulation that similar consideration should be given to some gentile collaborators who often acted under similar levels of duress. This however is not happening in narratives that are being created anew by the “new school” Holocaust researchers.
Look at Israel to see how to finish this sentence.
Are Jews a better host to Muslims than Christians were to Jews? Or how well Christians are doing in Israel?
I do not think so. There were SS Ukrainian formations that are infamous for their role in massacres and running concentration camps. There were no Polish or Jewish SS formations.
Tarkovsky is not Russian culture, it is the culture of the Russian “intelligentsia”. For example, the film “Andrei Rublev” – about the era of the battle of Kulikovo. But Tarkovsky was able to take a dull pseudo-historical rubbish about the good “intelligents” (monks), and bad government. As a result, this film is firmly forgotten (except for a very narrow sect of the “intelligentsia”)
In comparison the film “Alexander Nevsky” by Eisenstein has a great popularity (although it is a de facto movie-comic with heroes simple as infusoria)
This is the Soviet era, where viewers were forced to watch a very meager set of films. Since then, much time has passed – good Soviet films in Russia remember and love, but Tarkovsky firmly forgotten (except for the “intelligentsia” of course). Today the film “Ivan Vasilievich: Back to the Future” by Leonid Gaidai is four orders of magnitude more popular than “Andrei Rublev”. It is an objective talent assessment
That explanation would make more sense if most Latvians in the USSR at the time of the purges were not communist exiles who were extremely hostile to Latvia themselves. The Latvians that were executed in Stalin’s purges were largely the same Latvians who would have been executed in Latvia.
In the 1930s we were debating whether to interpret the mass executions of Finnish and Baltic Reds in the Soviet Union as Stalin’s gesture of friendship towards our states. These dead Reds were our sworn enemies who had escaped execution in 1918-1919. Many of them were still lobbying for Soviet resources to be used against the state of their origin so some took the purges as a sign that Stalin wanted peace and normalized relations instead of continuing to promote revolution in neighboring states like Trotsky would have done.
It’s possible that the extremely disproportionate death ratio of Baltic Reds in the USSR had something to do with the Soviet relationship with neighboring states and thus isn’t indicative of ethnic attitudes in the Soviet government but if so, it was not about any chance that the Baltic Reds were planning to betray the Soviet Union for the states that they wanted to destroy.
Well, if Justin Bieber in 50 years will have a popularity comparable to Vivaldi or Mozart – so he’s a great composer. But I think Bieber will be quickly forgotten.
In 1937-38, this didn’t matter one bit.
Judaism Is Simply Inevitable CYCLIC Sociologic Function For Reduction Of Over-Population
This analysis/exposition by Karlin is beside the pt. as Jews simply have a determinist socio-biologic purpose/function, that being to opposing the original rationalist, hence determinist, objective view, understanding, and grasp of reality (Aristotle) which created the original culture by gentiles, as Jews are, by definition, foremost SUBJECTIVISTS (Platonists, also Kantian) who hold and push the “midrash” (interpretation) of the Torah, thus the Talmudist/Pharisaic–see Talmudical.blogspot.com and Come-and-hear.com.
Gentile pretext for subjectivism is moralism and hubris, the presumption one can be “good” or “evil,” all this by means of (non-existent) “free” will–which opposes the Christian principle of “original sin” and sinfulness–self-interest founded in willfulness, pretending to hubristic, God-like “free” will.
Note then extreme subjectivism is idea that reality is mere product of mind/consciousness, thus making oneself God, the creator, thus satanism. Of course, many more gentiles are subjectivists and satanists, but Jews are most and best organized, most cohesive, collectivistic, best led for effectiveness of their group-think, Jews co-operating best, most practically, upon the subjectivistic project–ESPECIALLY and ultimately in way of central-banking fiat-currency–legalized counterfeiting. See Mises.org for expo on central-banking.
Note then Jews don’t originate the subjectivist (satanic) stage of a mature, degenerate society–which is done by corrupt and hubristic gentiles themselves, as in Rome and present USA–but Jews are enabled thereupon to organize, lead, and dominate the corrupt and relatively chaotic, dis-organized, and individualistic subjectivists among gentiles who yet out-number Jews (like Christian-Zionists, for example).
Thus organized by Judaic satanism (a redundancy, actually) the large satanic sub-culture soon dominates the whole rotten, corrupt culture/society in general in the great CYCLIC “Decline of the West,” by Oswald Spengler. Note CYCLIC hist. follows the determinist, objective nature of reality.
So of course all gentiles and Aristotelians are non-“semitic,” hence anti-semitic–for Jews are like a disease for their sociologic effect, like typhus, leprosy, and plague, that works necessarily to exterminating and eliminating corrupt, weak, inferior gentiles who’ve become subjectivist and satanic, mostly on pretext of anti-rational moralism, known in Christian theology as Pelagian heresy.
But the percentage of Jews arrested was lower than their percentage of the general population. Yes, Latvians were most persecuted, but Jews were nothing special. I don’t think Jews (most Jews, at any rate) had it great, but you were arguing for the improbable proposition that they were especially badly hit by communism. Well, they lost their property. Everyone lost their property. Peasants, the vast majority of the population, lost their properties during collectivization, too, and they were also starved to death by the millions. Some Jews were, too, but proportionally less. You cannot seriously say they had it worse than others. They didn’t have it good, on average. But, in a regime known for its propensity to murder its own citizens by the millions, they had it better than others. Which is a lot. Especially if you consider that they were overrepresented among the perpetrators. I didn’t see many instances of Jews saying sorry for this. I have seen a lot of instances of Jews demanding apologies from peoples like Poles for their minor roles in the holocaust. It’s not an admirable behavior.
The Blue Police was better than most collaborationist police forces, but you cannot say they never did anything wrong.
This is from your comment:
Polish-Jewish historian Emmanuel Ringelblum, chronicler of the Warsaw Ghetto, mentioned Polish policemen carrying out extortions and beatings.[17] The police did also take part in street roundups,
This was Warsaw. So no killings, but some beatings etc.
Then there’s this, also from your comment:
very little participation by Polish police (mainly in the smaller centres)
To me, this implies that their participation was worse in the smaller centers than in Warsaw.
I would be proud of it, if I were Polish. Realistically speaking, you cannot expect better from any people than that. But it’s not literally nothing. It’s something.
Good comment.
You do indeed make a good point that it would be fairer to adjust for length of time spent as minorities, but I’m not sure this cardinally changes the situation.
A more relevant if for now hypothetical and exceedingly unlikely scenario in which this would apply to Jews are if Palestinians/Arabs were to get the upper hand in Israel, through demographics/democracy or military conquest. I doubt there will be full-scale genocide, but I would certainly expect some ethnic cleansing at least, and possibly wholesale expulsion.
a) Armenians – Close in psychology to Jews, and also famously underwent their own mass genocide by the Turks. How frequently were they expelled relative to Jews?
b) Gypsies – I don’t think even they have been expelled as often as Jews, despite them being a byword for petty theft and criminality in European folklore. [But perhaps nobody – including Gypsies themselves – is interested in compiling histories of their persecution].
c) Ethnic Chinese in S.E. Asia – Have been subject to occasional pogroms, though I don’t recall there being many expulsions.
how is South Korea “anti-semetic”? not black or even a significant muslim population??? the “ADL” needs to explain itself.
The Jewish state’s crimes against minorities are absolutely infinitesimal compared to the world historical average. Or even contemporary norms for their region.
Of course, given its partially Western founding and only after the 1945 watershed in Western behaviour, this is not an apples and apples comparison but your straight up inversion of reality is dizzying. No wonder you are lost.
You give two instances with very mundane explanations: self-deprecation and experience of business outside of the West.
This then turns into quite elaborate and even ornate points on Jewish characteristics through essentially nothing more than highly prejudicial confirmation bias which, to some extent, is taken from this site and then, amazingly, is openly put back on the site where it creates more bias as a fully formed supposedly unbiased incident!
A similarly frustrating phenomenon may be seen in the media’s reporting of Trump. Misrepresented stories are used to allow the misrepresentation of other stories. The whole thing is circular, or rather, ironically, a function of echoes.
Not that any of this is necessarily done on purpose or with mal-intent. It is just so obvious what is happening.
Jew’s higher wealth than average is explained very simply. Higher IQ has not only a direct effect but it also means they grow up in a higher IQ culture and the IQ of your culture matters more for your success than your own – there’s likely a bunch of geniuses in Eastern Congo, none will achieve anything. This, combined with living in major world cities, is more than explanation enough.
Jewish progressivism is merely a function of class and location. Jews are disproportionately represented in Western urban elites. Western urban elites are disproportionately progressive. Did anyone in Washington DC vote for Trump?
Israel has many problems. Its behaviour can often be seen as problematic. At least in comparison to the majority of countries West and North of it. Nonetheless compared to the majority of countries East and South of it, Israel is positively angelic. This is not hard to notice.
There done. The entire ‘JQ’ answered in a few paragraphs. Goodness, it wasn’t hard.
Nakba does not count? Because Palestinians were not minority yet? They became after Nakba. And after that everything was hunky dory, right?
Nothing is literally nothing. And one can always make something out of nothing. What criteria and metrics should be used? How many Jews did they shoot? How many did they guard? How many did they refuse to shoot? How many did they help to escape? How many policeman cried? How many policeman were shot by Germans? What comparisons should be made? With French or Dutch police or with Lithuanian or Latvian formations? Each place was different. The most important question is why are still talking about? Why the world should keep satisfying all whims of insatiable Jewish narcissism?
It should be obvious to anybody that there is ethnic networking and ethnic nepotism. Overrepresentation of Jews in some areas can’t be explained with IQ, so the IQist postulate non-Gaussian distribution with fat Jewish tail. I am sure it is a preferable explanation when one does not want to address the issue of ethnic nepotism and networking.
Given the wholesale slaughter and enslavement of minorities in Syria and Iraq only a couple of years ago, being cleared off one’s land during an even-sided civil type war in 1948 is small potatoes.
The way the pieds noirs were treated by the Algerians was worse too. The difference is that their brothers the French actually took them in. There are oodles of similar examples.
Perhaps this should be compared to past Jewish accomplishments like during Kitos War in 117 when Jews massacred 240,000 Greeks in Cyprus. So yes, Jews have greatly improved their behavior and Nakba is relatively mild comparing to their actions in Cyprus.
Yes, it is not IQ. I checked from Khan’s WORDSUM results and confirmed that the verbal IQ of US Jews is what Lynn said it is, that is 107.5. As this is verbal IQ, the overall IQ is very close to 100. The WORDSUM distribution was so skewed that it only can indicate that there was a selection of Jews who came to the USA. They apparently were screened for having IQ over 100. The part over 100 has average IQ of 112. In the next generation regression to the mean lowers it to 107.5, which is where it is. And that is verbal IQ, not full IQ. How many then are above, say 160? Only twice as many as in the white population because the only screening was dropping those below 100. As no whites below 100 take part to competition for academic achievements, the game should be equal if it were only IQ. Must be ethnic networking, but in the way of getting more people to such positions where you can get results, not simply by giving prizes without results to your kinsmen.
As I wrote, I think the Poles should be proud of their behavior during WW2.
One additional point, regarding the ethnic cleansing of Germans after the war. If I recall it correctly, it was a high level political decision, with the local Polish population and even Polish police and security forces only reluctantly participating in it. At least according to historian Richard J. Evans. He also wrote that at least on some occasions Polish inhabitants and security forces tried (not always successfully) to protect the German population from atrocities by the Soviet troops, usually from rape. They didn’t view the German population as suffering a just punishment, instead as suffering an atrocity similar to those meted out by the Nazis.
My point was that even such a nation behaving better than almost all others did something. I think that after roughly three quarters of a century, with the main culprits dead, the most culpable nation having lost a huge territory, etc., it’s high time we stopped calling out nations or ethnic groups on their imagined or real crimes and sins during WW2.
I’ll repost a part of an old comment. Actually, it is more a brief review of MacDonald’s evo-psych books on Jewish identity & history.
Jews are ethnic religious tribalists who had, many of them, lived in Europe for most than 2000 years. Somewhere during the Nero’s rule, they constituted ca 10% of Roman Empire, i.e. 5-6 million people. Have they had an opportunity for natural growth, there would have been ca. 250-400 million of them now. But, most of them assimilated, vanished into greater Pagan & then Christian communities. So much for stubborn insistence of religious-ethnic pride.
There is no “group evolutionary strategy”, only if it stands for something trivial: any ethnic-national group wants to exist ad infinitum & prosper. This applies to every single human community.
As for Jews being particularly ethno-centric, this may be the truth in comparison with some other groups, but they didn’t differ from Zoroastrian Iranians or Hindu Brahmins; there is no way to empirically verify whether their ethnocentrism is rooted in ancient religious texts older than 1500 years (Babylonian Talmud, 250-600 AD) or something else. No causal connection can be made & all this is bogus.
With regard to MacDonald’s thesis that Jews are culturally-generically predisposed to domination in host societies, this is an easily refutable canard: they lived harmoniously, peacefully & productively during Parthian, Zoroastrian, Abbasid empires, Cordoba caliphate, Ottoman Empire…as well as in the 17th-18th C Netherlands or 18th C Prussia. They tried (and to a larger degree succeeded) to assimilate into British & German Empires, from the beginning to the end.
MacDonald’s theses are very simple & cannot pass the test of any rational & empirical investigation.
Jews are, according to him, essentially, due to a compound of genes, history, religious ideology,… eternal enemy of “white race”. Not real. They lived among Europeans for almost 2 millennia & had virtually always been at the history’s receiving end. After their Enlightenment at the end of the 18th C, they avidly secularized themselves & were literally hungry for the riches of high European culture (arts, sciences, technology, ..), trying to assimilate as fast as they could. No “evolutionary group strategy” here, not anything that would preserve them as an alien dominant cultural-biological ethnicity..
Jews are far from a monolith existing in MacDonald fantasy. It is true they, those of them who still possess Jewish identity, try to help their co-religionists if they are in trouble (which is a perfectly normal behavior). But, their primary loyalty is to their host societies, which can be seen from German Jewish behavior during WW1, when their military deaths were higher than their percentage in the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenz%C3%A4hlung French Jews fought for France, British for Britain etc.
According to MacDonald, Jews are basically destructive to a host society, like a group of pathogen bacteria swarming & sucking life out their host-victim. They’re, actually, not unlike a cancer. Another example of dehumanization & antisemitic nonsense. What about good they’ve done to their host societies, in culture, wealth, inventions, development of commerce, journalism, agriculture, arts,..
Persistent MacDonald’s myth is about their extraordinarily high levels of endogamous practice. In reality, Catholic and Protestants didn’t mix much until the 20th C, and Jews (not converts) have been in mixed marriages with German Christians at the rate of 40%, during 1933 (Hitler’s rise to power); now, more than 60% of Jews outmarry and more than 80-90% of them do so in Russia. Where is this MacDonald’s grand “evolutionary strategy”?
Then, he is tendentious. MacDonald presents Spanish conversos/Marranos from 15th and 16th C as ethnically-racially homogeneous group. A part of them must have stayed that way- it is perfectly natural that forcibly converted people (who had already possessed their written culture & rituals) will adopt chameleon-like behavior. So did Moriscos, forcibly converted Muslim Arabs. So, it’s not about specific Jewish traits; it is about religious violence & natural resistance of people who had found themselves on the receiving end of pressure for religious conformity. MacDonald implies that many, perhaps most Marranos succeeded in surviving Inquisition in next 2-3 centuries. True, some Marranos have succeeded to retain their identity & emigrate later to the Netherlands or Ottoman empire, but most of them vanished into broader Iberian societies.
Conspicuously, MacDonald has glossed over the fact that most Jewish Germans in the 19th C had been assimilated with high percentage of intermarriage. Marranos in 16th C did-at least a part of them-tried to retain their separate identity. Not so in early 19th C Germany, where many Jews had voluntarily been baptized & completely assimilated into German society-no Jewish separatism & tribal behavior. No “Jewish Christian” secret societies, clannish behavior, endogamous marriages…
Mendelssohn family simply disappeared among other Germans.
How so if they’re eternally alien ethnic group? Where I can see that famous survival strategy? This “strategy”, it seems, leads only to obliteration of a separate national identity.
Or, after all, Einstein (whose descendants are not Jews) was right: If it were not for antisemitism, Jews would have dispersed like leaves in the wind.
A lot of your statements made me wonder if you really read Kevin B. MacDonald’s thesis or just glossed it over?
I never liked MacDonald’s overly hostile language, but his works are way more nuanced than you allow here.
I have seen published documents that described how the soldiers of the red Army (!) protected the German population from poles. There is no reason to idealize what was happening in Poland.
What are the statements you imply I supposedly ascribed to MacDonald & he has not propounded them?
This idea that Protestant fundamentalists in the US drive policy in the ME (rather than merely provide political cover for it within the Republican Party) is an old canard put forth by–who else?–the Jews themselves.
Think about it: if the Fundies were really all that politically powerful, then why is it that, after 40-plus years of continuous lobbying and selecting ostensibly anti-abortion Supreme Court justices, Roe vs. Wade is still the law of the land? How is it that this all-powerful Christian lobby failed to halt the drive toward homosexual marriage–even though polls showed that the majority Americans were still against it right up until the moment it became legal nation-wide? I could adduce a number of other issue where this supposedly all-powerful Christian lobby has failed miserably, ranging from restoring prayer in school to keeping shops closed on Sundays. But you get the point: quite mysteriously, Israel seems to be the only issue where they have ever gotten ‘their’ way.
Don’t misunderstand me: I am totally opposed to all the Zio-mongering that goes on among US protestants. I personally wish they would wake up and realize how pathetic this whole thing is, but they won’t. They are not driving the agenda, however; they are simply being used as cover so that ‘liberal, moderate’ Jewish Zionists can point to them and say, ‘See! It’s not us–it’s them! They’re the ones pushing an extremist agenda in the ME. ‘
Well, in fairness to myself I didn’t use the term “drive”. I wrote that evangelical political backing “hugely leverages jewish political power on issues related to Israel”, and “enables the already strong jewish lobby in its ruthless suppression of any dissent to judeophilia”, which I think is a pretty fair summary of the situation.
This is equivalent to the argument used by jewish lobby apologists that “if jews are so powerful, how come they can’t even get the US to attack Iran/properly invade Syria”, etc.
None of these groups are all powerful. What they are is unduly powerful, and therefore able to get their way on many issues that are harmful to the national interest.
Without disputing your point about jewish groups and apologists using them as cover, you are imo understating the culpability of evangelical religious nutters here.
secret report of March 5, 1945 Deputy Commissar of internal Affairs, the Commissioner of the NKVD of the USSR on the 1st Belarusian front I. Serov : “from the soldiers of the 1st Polish army noted particularly cruel treatment of the Germans”
Special message of the NKGB military censor on Germany dated September 4, 1945 contains excerpts from the letters of the Germans: “…our house was occupied by Russians. Later came the poles, who for half an hour put us out with whips. No products and things we couldn’t we take…”; “One day in our house came the poles and we loaded the sick within half an hour in the wagons. Ten days we were on the road… Eating crushes of bread, which threw the Russian (soldiers) to the children...” .
The report of Lieutenant-General Shelkovskiy to Lieutenant-General Bokov on August 25, 1945 : “Lebе asks (to the each trains with coal) 2-3 railcar for (german) refugees to carry them through the most dangerous zone of robberies where the poles commit violence; (This is necessary) to have these wagons, guarded by the red Army, from the poles“.” Etc., etc.
I’m willing to believe that there were opposite cases (where the poles hid the Germans from the excesses of the red army). But to portray the poles as noble defenders of the German population is a clear lie.
the culpability of evangelical religious nutters here.
You are using interesting language here, Randal. If my political opinion differs from Randal’s, I am a nutter and I’m culpable.
Do you think that my accusation that you use the free speech argument as a cover for gaining a safe space for Nazi thought is equivalent? Or perhaps one of us is “more guilty” than the other?
If it were not for antisemitism, Jews would have dispersed like leaves in the wind.
Yeah, and if it wasn’t for white racists, Wakanda would rule the known universe.
Absolutely, or the constant massacres done by and on a huge number of different groups throughout the existence of the Roman Empire. And before it, and after it and contemporaneous to it but outside of it.
You are way off in your pie chart, I doubt there are ANY Countries where less than 30% of the population are anti Semites and all those Red shade countries are more like 98% anti Semites.
They control the media who everyone hates, they control the Banks who everyone hates and many of them are filthy rich and who doesn’t hate those Fuckers? The vast majority of Citizens world wide would be delighted to see Israel Nuked. VAST!
No, as has been pointed out here before, I am generally pretty careful with words. When I suggest that opinions are based upon religious nuttery it’s not just a term of abuse, it’s because that’s what they are based upon (imo – obviously the nutters themselves don’t agree). Thus, many Islamic jihadists’ opinions are based upon nutty religious ideas, and people who believe that jews are “God’s chosen people” or that modern Israel must be supported because of things that are written in the bible are similarly basing their opinions on nutty religious ideas.
Your belief that allowing free speech means giving a “safe space for Nazi thought” clearly says more about your own prejudices and ideas – whether based upon religious nutter background or subsequent rationalisations about especially evil ideas that must be excluded from free speech, only you could say, and not necessarily even you – than it does about reality, let alone about my views.
There are no “safe spaces” in a free speech environment. That’s rather the point. You are clearly intelligent enough to grasp that, so the fact that you refuse to in relation to particular cases that just happen to suit particular agendas suggests an ideological or emotional block of some kind.
How many policeman were shot by Germans?
Given the wholesale slaughter and enslavement of minorities in Syria and Iraq only a couple of years ago, being cleared off one’s land during an even-sided civil type war in 1948 is small potatoes.
Which wholesale slaughter and enslavement would that be? The Alawites have been in charge in Syria for decades, and they have been protecting minorities (themselves and the Christians).
And it is highly disingenuous to compare the Palestinians to the pieds noirs. The former had continuously inhabited Palestine for many centuries, the latter were remnants of the actual colonising power who clearly would not be looked upon favourably by those they had colonised.
They have not controlled large tracks of it. Like the environs of Raqaa. Duh…
Many of the Pieds Noir had roots going back multiple generations. The Portuguese chased out of Africa sometimes had 5 centuries of roots. The white Rhodesians had plenty too. There are an almost infinite number of examples, even Germans from Eastern Europe after WWII.
Again the only difference between the countless number of similar examples is that the Palestinians’ brothers failed to take them in.
Most relevantly the Jews of Israel took in the Jews of Iraq, who were Nakba’d out of their homes by Arab Muslims. The Iraqi Jewish community was far older than the Iraqi Muslim community too. And the Jews of Yemen and many other Arab countries…
That’s what I wanted to write.
Richard J. Evans wrote examples of them defending the German population, and in the context of whether the mass expulsion of Germans from the newly acquired Polish territories was an inevitable consequence of German behavior before and an act of understandable revenge in the heat of the moment, or if it was just a high level calculated political decision made after cool deliberations. (By the way I happen to think that it was a correct decision. If Poland was to keep those areas, it was better not to take on the difficult task of either assimilating or containing a large and hostile ethnic minority.)
Essentially the word ‘Nakba’ merely describes a partition of India style population transfer whereby Jews in Israel got Mizrahi Jews and Arabs got their kin. Sad sure, but hardly unusual and hardly one-sided. Heck the Jews pogrommed out of Arabian countries weren’t trying to kill their neighbours where at least the Nakba happened during a two-sided high stakes war.
The Germans in present day Northern and Western Poland were a similar example of ethnic cleansing from roughly the same time. You can argue that the Palestinian population did nothing wrong, whereas the Germans were voting for the Nazis or something, but in any event it’s all been a fait accompli for many decades, over half a century, now. So reversing the Palestinians’ or the pieds-noirs‘ or the eastern Germans’ problems etc. would now result in further ethnic cleansing and unnecessary violence.
Are you saying that ethnic(or religious, if you wish) networking never happens at all? That’s a pretty high standard.
As you can see, it is easy to give the opposite examples – when the red army protected the German population from Polish violence. Such (in particular specially selected for ideological reason in work of J. Evans) examples do not give the correct picture.
I’m saying that people have family and friends and family friends. I’m saying that networking is important too. I’m just not fetishizing the Jewish aspect. There’s no conspiracy or secret code or plot or plan. The direction of causation is not from ethnicity to network but from individual and family links, which naturally have some correlation with ethnicity, to network.
Western Jews are, bar the ultra-orthodox, just as sadly atomised as other Western elites. The progressivism is not some facade or hypocrisy. It is entirely heartfelt just as it is also entirely ludicrous. My Rabbi comes across as a parody of a parody of a parody of a parody of a progressive, and in a room with only other Jews. Explicit ethnic networking is akin to being ‘literally Hitler’ in that context.
Look, the original statement was that Jews “pretended to hate Stalin.” That’s nonsense. Soviet regime had various wave and methods of repression, some affected Jews disproportionately and other didn’t (and there was at least one episode where Jews were specifically targeted but it got aborted by Stalin’r death.) The point is that, overall, Jews were affected negatively by the Bolshevism (although some prospered) and had no reason to love it.
BTW. The 1937-38 purges to a large degree targeted the Communist hierarchy and yet the Jews were not disproportionately affected. What does it tell you about the claim that the Communists were all Jews?
My observation is that nepotistic networks do exist but they are not particularly ethnic. E.g. elite Jews and elite WASP nowadays are plugged into the same network. To use public examples, look at where Clinton’s and Bush’s kids got jobs.
The medieval and early modern expulsions are motivated by expropriation of wealth (supernormal profits obtained in banking) by the monarch. They are highly rational short-term behaviour by the monarch, as not only the resources of the expropriated Jews are harvested by the monarch, but also the resources of all those who were in debt to the Jewish community
The most famous and well studied.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_of_Lincoln
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchequer_of_the_Jews
The Wikipedia article writes very elegantly:
Other nationalities like Gypsies’ and Armenians do not have equivalent resources to motivate a sovereign to expropriate them.
If you have had access to JSTOR – there are interesting papers on that.
The same kind of process was happening very recently in Africa (where there was monarch – Idi Amin) expropriated thousands of concerns belonging to Indians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Asians_from_Uganda
21st century Israel is unnaturally tolerant – too tolerant for its own good. The level of tolerance for enemies in the country is insane. Where there is a parliament, full of government paid politicians (with very high government salaries), calling for the country’s destruction during the middle of parliament session.
However, you cannot compare a 21st century Jewish country, with a Christian country of a different historical time period, in order to draw some eternal lessons. A medieval Jewish country, would likely not have behaved differently to a medieval Christian or Muslim country – likewise a 19th century and 20th century one. The current high toleration level is a product of the historical period.
In Israel’s case, it will also have to change or be a moderation in this liberalism in the future, if the country will not fracture (at some point the Arab minority will have to either become more loyal, at least to the extent of recognizing its existence and not agitating national destruction, or there will be civil war – which is already occurring on a lower level similar to in Dagestan today).
Yes, I’ve written before about Anglo networking pre-1950s as well; I’m not trying to portray a grand conspiracy either. I’m just saying that some form of networking does seem to exist and I generally agree with the links you indicated; on top of that, whatever few rituals or opportunities to meet up that are still kept in common help build a sense of community. Atomization has hit everyone pretty hard; I do think that a few groups have been slightly less atomized so the differentials feel significant.
A very big part were the ethnic operations. (I.e. Poles, Latvians, and similar.) Most of the rest targeted former kulaks, former counter-revolutionaries, and similar categories of people already considered anti-Soviet. Members of the nomenclatura were a tiny minority among those targeted.
Possible, though both before 1939 and after 1941 the USSR was seen as a bulwark against Hitler. Which was the reason why for example Einstein refused to protest against the Moscow show trials. If I recall correctly as late as the early 1950s he was talking about how the great human sacrifices were necessary in Russia to build a better society and prepare for victory against Hitler or something. And then in the UN the USSR voted for the partition. So Uncle Joe was for a while quite popular among a very large section of Jews.
Yes, it started to sour after 1948, but Anatoly mentioned it. The contention was that they pretended never to have liked it, which is untrue.
As per above, they clearly had plenty of reasons for this, and clearly many Jews did like it, at least from a safe distance.
The wealthy often have more in common with each other, than they do with people of the same nationality in different classes or strata. This is nothing new. The wealthy Russian kids in the Swiss and British boarding school do not distinguish between each other by nationality (Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish, Georgian, etc), and apart from language difference, will not distinguish from student-colleagues from other countries. Likewise, I don’t think that Bloomberg’s children will find much distinction from Trump’s children, and probably America’s billionaire youth would be instant friends with Putin’s children, or even those lower position mock-up nationalists like Peskov’s daughter.
It is amongst middle class and working class (contrary to Marx), that there is less multinationalism.
The kind of multinational utopia already exists – as seen amongst spoilt billionaires’ youth – but because there is common transnational life-style with no question where the means for this life style comes from, and the parents provide a lack of the scarcity for resources that justifiably creates tensions between normal people of different nationalities.
Really?
I have tried to check this 4 million Jews in Nero’s Rome, but it seems unlikely. Josephus tells that there were Jews in every city, but city people were a small fraction of the people at that time. I think this is just one piece of propaganda. The 4 million Jews would have disappeared or assimilated? Very unlikely. There is a lot of junk told as history nowadays.
perhaps nobody – including Gypsies themselves – is interested in compiling histories of their persecution].
Maybe Gypsies are smarter than what is reported. Maybe they were smart enough not to write everything down for a couple thousand years, thereby not helping to reveal exactly how and how many times they screwed us over.
Two units of the Ukrainian SS division (4th and 5th police regiments) was responsible for a My Lai style massacres of some Polish villages but overall it was not a massacring unit, like Dirlewanger , but primarily a combat entity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)
Ironically it attracted political traditional conservatives and moderates who didn’t like Banderism.
The Ukrainian concentration camp guards were Soviet POWs who chose their job rather starve.
Deliberate Ukrainian murderous collaboration was mostly in the form of police work. Not in combat volunteers in the Waffen SS wanting to fight Bolshevism, nor among the coerced concentration camp guards.
They used to hunt down apostates and kill them, until the practice was stopped by outside forces.
I’m not aware of other minorities who could be accused of like behaviour, except of course Muslims. But perhaps there are indeed other examples.
I’m just saying that some form of networking does seem to exist
Apparently, Jehovah’s Witnesses have a solid network in some areas in the self-employed construction fields, painting, drywall, etc.
They are highly rational short-term behaviour by the monarch
Not to mention the gold in them thar charters plus the cuts from the tax farming and usury.
And when the situation gets dicey, the Ivans go after the Jews because muh king is on my side.
I agree, it is a very questionable claim. A very dear narrative to many Jews is that they all have ancestors who were burnt at the stake by Christians. This claim requires a large starting population in Europe. If, on the other hand, they had a small founding population in Europe and ended with a much larger population, then the claim seems to be effectively debunked.
On the face of it, the idea that someone could be burnt at the stake for being a Jew and then have their children raised as Jews, seems patently absurd. Unless, one stipulates that it was Jews killing Jewish apostates, if they indeed employed that method. All the old propaganda stories I am aware of involve the children refusing to be converted and therefore killed as well.
It’s true many people were burnt at the stake in Europe, but I’d guess it was rather less than most other places. Thais did it until at least 1870. Japanese and Koreans burnt foreign sailors. In parts of Africa, they are still doing it.
I doubt more violence was used against Jews in Europe than the medieval standard. Perhaps even less, based on their pattern of growth established by their DNA.
Of course, it is impossible to give an accurate number. But, Jews were, at that time, settled along the entire Roman empire (including Egypt), as well as Persia & Babylonia, where they formed a significant portion of the populace- in Babylonia, I think, the majority.
Anyway, some guesses are, for instance (Richard Lynn in his book about Jewish IQ): http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=A4BCDBA0098352B38135448B12E01362
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Murray suggests that this explains why the number of Jews fell from 4.5 million in the 1st century AD to about one to 1.5 million in the sixth century. (I cannot copy/paste the entire section)
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You can see, examining other figures, that apart from great losses in Roman wars (a few hundred thousand), most counts of Jews in 1st C AD give the figure of 4-6 million, spread from Rome, Greece, Egypt (Alexandria), Maghreb, Palestine, Cyprus, Parthian Empire (especially Babylonia) & small numbers in India
There is a very common form of question which is used in the admission process to many colleges in the US: what does diversity mean to you?
I think a very strong argument can be made that it is designed to help other groups, one of these clearly being Jews.
Well, I’d say that Germans earlier deporting some 700.000 Poles or more from territories incorporated into Reich, plus those from Zamojszczyzna etc had some weight on decision on whether their deportation would be justified or not.
I guess one can find examples of almost any type behaviour during world war 2. I’ve read about at least one example when supposedly Wehrmacht stopped my compatriots from starting a pogrom.
Which does not mean, obviously, that Germans were more kind to Jews than Poles.
Babylonia had a large Jewish population, though probably not a majority, but the figure 4 million, or 10%, is given for the Roman Empire, which never included Babylon, which belonged to Parthia and then to the Sassasinid Empire. Your figure, some hundred thousands for all three Jewish wars is reasonable. Alexandria had a large Jewish population. If the total population was 180,000 men, then maybe 1/3 were Jewish, giving 60,000 men and some 250,000 Jewish population. It was one of the large cities. I saw one calculation going through the cities in the Roman empire, the rate of urbanization was not that great. Counting 1/10-1/3 Jews to cities does not add up to 4 million. The population in Israel was probably 500,ooo at that time. The problem of accepting the figure 4 million in the Roman Empire is that they disappeared just like that in the 4th century and there is no indication of large scale conversion to Christianity. Much of what is told is wrong, also in Lynn and Murray, have you not noticed that already.
Maybe I didn’t express myself clearly enough: there were ca. 5 million Jews in the whole world during Nero’s rule in Rome. Most books give this figure for 1st C AD, with Jewish losses going from 300.000 to 1.5 million during their Roman wars.
Of course we cannot know this exactly: for instance, it is thought that during Plato’s & Aristotle’s era (400-350 BC), there were ca. 5 million Greeks & 12 million slaves, mostly non-Greek in Hellas. How can we know except by accepting rough figures authorities have come to during centuries?
Roman empire had had ca. 70 million people during that era, and most of the people had not lived in cities. Demographers aver that Jews constituted up to 10% (including some converts). It seems all very plausible, having in mind that Jews had waged two consuming wars against Roman empire, 70 & 132 AD. These wars almost broke Roman power in the east & later, after their defeat, Jews, as allies of the Parthian empire, participated in wars & slaughter of Roman & Greek garrisons & communities in Cyprus & Cyrenaica, claiming hundreds of thousands victims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War
No people numbering a few hundred thousand, even 1-2 million, could have waged such disastrous wars against the supreme military power in the world (apart from China), destroy some of its best legions & inflict catastrophic losses on their enemies- if they were not demographically strong. Jews of that era were not a military machine like Mongols of the 13th C, so, considering their almost fabulous military successes (never mind ultimate defeat) no other people fighting against Romans can match- their total number of ca. 5 million seems to be an undercount. I would say they were twice as numerous, just I don’t have rational history based arguments.
I am not an expert on this topic and historians have widely divergent figures. What I remember is that the population of the Roman Empire was about 40 million. Jews made up about 10% of city population. How many Romans lived in a city? Maybe 10%. That would mean that there were 400,000 diaspora Jews in the Roman empire and about 500,000 Jews in Palestine, where they lived also in the countryside. This gives about 1 million. As for Jews being able to fight and lose the First Jewish war, the Roman troops were mostly about 60,000. Only to the capture of Jerusalem was needed more. A military rule of thumb is that an army can maximally be 10% of a population, so 4 million Jews could have raised 400,000 soldiers, but as it was, 500,000 Jews could get 50,000 soldiers. The third Jewish was, Bar Kochba revolt, was not any larger and the second Jewish was, the Kitos war, was smaller, though according to Roman historians Jews were very cruel against locals. In the military sense it was much easier than the other two. As for the ability to fight three wars against Rome, the question is that they lost them. Yes, you can fight Rome and lose with a small population, but Parthia fought and did not lose, it had a large population. There were 1-2 million Jews outside the Roman empire, so I estimate 2-3 million Jews. You estimate 5 million, fine. We cannot be certain about such figures. Let it be your numbers, we do not agree, I only made a helpful comment.
About the Eastern European Jews, who are the origin of American Jews, I tried to figure out their history in http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/02/17/origins-of-the-ashkenazi-jews/
Jews were expelled often but they came back some years or decades later, sometimes even later. They were killed in relatively large numbers in three occasions: the time of Crusades, when thousands or tens of thousands were killed but the number of European Jews was small, in 1648-54 during the Chmelnitsky uprisal when maybe 20,000 were killed (Jews said 1/3 but it was not close to 1/3), and in the holocaust of WWII. From most European nations you can find events when 1/3 or 1/4 were killed. Gustav II Adolf killed 1/3 of Germans, Charles X killed 1/3 of Poles, one famine killed 1/3 of Finns, another killed 1/4 of Finns, the Black Death killed 1/3 of Europeans. It is not really so that Jews have been killed so much more than others. In Poland they prospered most of the time and their population grew much faster than that of Poles. Jews were considered half-Nobles there.
So, they have this victim syndrome, but in reality they were mostly expelled because of usury but they came back and loans to Jews were usually restored by the next king.
“Andrei Rublev” is not his most interesting films. Solyaris, Stalker, Zerkalo – these are the more interesting ones.
Yes – and I find it a culture shock. And I kind of identify as liberal myself, but not in such suicidal toleration and subsidization of enemies, while otherwise allowing them to exist in a ‘free for fall’ inside some of your important cities.
I am not a demographic expert (anyway, it doesn’t matter), but taking pros & cons, historians seem to place total number of Jews during 1st C AD between 4 and 8 million- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population_comparisons#Ancient_and_medieval_times
As for Roman wars, I wouldn’t underestimate them. Jews in that area were mostly ill-trained people without military expertise & not particularly innovative re military strategy; yet, they inflicted heavy losses on very large numbers of hardened military professionals. It does not matter they eventually lost (alright- it matters to them); what matters is that the whole affair was not a small fry. These were humiliating defeats that shattered eastern Roman empire on its own turf. Titus and Hadrian would not have agreed with you that those wars were a marginal, provincial affair. Why would Titus erect triumphal arch in Rome if that was just a picnic?
As for numerical disparity, the best army in the world, 13th C Mongols, defeated highly organized armies of what are now China, Iran, Iraq, Turkestan, Russia, Germany, .. Mongols were not more than 1-2 million people around Genghis Khan death, but they’ve slaughtered millions (after they’d defeated their armies).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Rus%27
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)
So, 60.000 Roman professional soldiers could be, while suffering heavy losses, fighting very numerous Jews whose main weapon was heroism & religious fanaticism, and not military experience & ingenuity.
The Arabs in Israel are descendants of the original inhabitants, it’s bizarre to claim that Israel is “unusually tolerant” when one compares that with the mass immigration of alien peoples to Western Europe (peoples which in many cases have absolutely zero historical connection to the countries they’re immigrating to).
And Circassians are inhabitants of the Crimea, but they have not recently been taken into parliament on $120,000 a year tax-payer funded salaries, to give daily talks in Moscow, in the state duma, on the need for country’s destruction. My analogy is too lenient though: it is lot worse in Israel’s case, as they are identifying with the surrounding enemy that had multiple times invaded the country, as well as the internal one which had weekly conducted suicide bombings in the streets. Any attempt to mitigated of this behaviour, will then be blocked by the Supreme Court of the country, which is ruled by the supreme judges who at the same time volunteer for the Association for Civil Rights in Israel – and often applauded by the media as a show of tolerance. Again even for those with liberal tendencies, the veneration of tolerance there is a culture shock, and one you will also see in the toleration of a ‘free-for-all’ of Arab areas inside the cities.
As for Western Europe – the situation may appear as a little less of a culture shock, although there is still nothing quite so suicidal or blind.
This is a joke.
Israelis: Will you condemn the killing of innocent Palestinians?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjrwSbzTrmU
Palestinians: Will you condemn the killing of innocent Israelis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qRnYV_sWds
If you compare the answers, you see that some Israelis are extremists, but most Palestinians/Arabs are.
Former inhabitants – maybe they have more in common with the Jews in this analogy, as both had been expelled by groups which did not relate to the current conflict.
And the videos interview the working class (Middle Eastern Jews) on the street in South Tel Aviv. These views I think are more healthy.
The ones which are more of a culture shock – are the elite, liberal (non-Russian speaking) secular European Jews in Israel (as if he went to interview in North Tel Aviv), who worship toleration of enemies within as a kind of religion or spiritual value and moral stamp of approval. Toleration (of different views and life-styles) is a value in my view, but the culture shock is in tolerating open enemies.
Youtube videos aren’t proof of anything. And while I have little doubt that Palestinians on the whole do hold rather extreme views (btw. I suppose the Palestinians in the video you linked to are in the occupied territories, not Israeli citizens), a non-trivial part of Israeli Jews seem to do as well:
http://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/
A country where half of the population is in favour of ethnically cleansing a long-established minority (in fact the original inhabitants of the country) isn’t “unusually tolerant”, even if one may understand why many Israelis would like to get rid of the Arabs.
And by Western standards, Israel today is quite simply an extremely ethnonationalist state (it’s of course probably not that remarkable when compared to much of the rest of the world, especially Islamic countries which do indeed generally treat minorities horribly). In Israel hardcore nationalists with actual projects of aggressive territorial expansion have political power and are to some extent supported by the state and mainstream parties. By contrast, in Western countries the full might of the state comes down hard even on non-violent nationalist groups that merely want an end to mass immigration and forced multiculturalization.
Most European & American Jews are suicidally liberal. This is lefty-liberal extremist dogmatism & I don’t think much can be done about it. It can be kept under control but-in my opinion- not diffused with rational arguments of self-preservation.
Good stuff is that creative energies of many people from these, European, areas can be channeled into something new- https://www.israel21c.org/israels-top-45-greatest-inventions-of-all-time-2/ .
Other than that, keep them away from real politics & power, as much as possible …
Well, if you think along lines that can be seen in this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBRxt5ufnGg
we cannot come to agreement. We’re just worlds apart.
Israel is a democracy where 20% of students at their best universities are Arabs (which is, basically, a form of affirmative action). But, any functioning democracy can be only an ethno-nationalist state. It cannot be otherwise. You have to know who’s the boss in the house. In this case, a tolerant boss, but still- the boss.
If you think otherwise, or that Africans, Muslims, Asians,… should be allowed to swamp white European countries, then we really don’t have much to discuss.
Germany belongs to Germans, Russia to Russians, Japan to Japanese, Israel to Jews, Jordan to Arabs (since there are no real Arab nations, just tribes & pan-Arab nationalism). There is no possibility of a multi-ethnic nation. No such thing exists in the world.
And it is true that Israeli Jews are, when it comes to the pinch, aware of this- and good for them. They know who’re they dealing with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJkxOF9QqEk
Palestinians: What will happen to the Israelis when you take back Palestine of 1948 (Israel)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTfFjj72ILk
The one where Corey loses his patience with Palestinians
Well maybe they have a better claim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q60s3OsRbPI
I agree with that, and I’m in favour of Israel as a Jewish national state. I do think Israel’s ongoing unilateral annexation of Palestinian land in the occupied territories is a problem, since it makes any solution to the conflict even harder than it already would be. But I definitely don’t think Israel should ever agree to a “right of return” or similar nonsense for descendants of those expelled in 1948. And if there was a mutually acceptable way (e.g. with generous compensation) to transfer parts of Israel’s Arab population to other countries in the region, maybe even that would be a good thing.
I don’t think you really understand where I’m coming from on this issue. I understand that the Israelis have sometimes to do brutal things for their own survival (even if they occasionally go too far imo), and that the Palestinians with their terrorist tactics and their delusional dreams of driving the Jews back into the sea aren’t innocents in this conflict either. My problem is with people in Western countries who are ultra-pc, pro-mass immigration and multiculturalism…and then romanticize Israel and pretend it’s some sort of hyper-tolerant multiculti paradise. That’s just pure hypocrisy, and I resent that (admittedly it was probably unfair to interpret Dmitry’s comment like that).
You don’t seem so familiar with the country. The far-right groups get imprisoned, and the Shin Bet spends a lot of its time monitoring them (to the extent that their failure in predicting the early part of the Second Intifada was blamed on how many resources they spent on monitoring the domestic far-right). In case of some unpleasant Nazi-style groups like Lehava – who now will get imprisoned even for waving their flag on the streets. I can not say I exactly feel sorry for them, as these groups really are unpleasant, even if they do vent a genuine anger of the population at the situation.
The ruling or elite attitude in Israel is one of suicidal tolerance. That is not to say, one or other side (Arabs or Jews) don’t have a legitimate historical claim to the land, or that one is right and the other is wrong. A fair case can be made for both sides in the conflict.
But who has historical claim is rather irrelevant. It is a country situated in between low-level war between two groups (Jews vs Arabs), in which one group (Jews) has a portion of the enemy group (Arabs) inside the territory it commands (Israel), and the culture shock you will experience is from the insane level of tolerance for the enemy within that territory – having them giving weekly speeches about destroying the country inside the parliament, while receiving a very large government salary.
I don’t think this has historical precedent, and what allows it is a genuine hardcore of liberalism in the European Jewish population within Israel, where you will see tolerance for the enemy worshiped as an almost religious value, and protected by self-appointing Supreme Court (which is the center-case of the Jewish liberalism movement there, aside from the media and the leadership of the army who are extremely liberal as well in domestic politics).
How this situation compares to some topic on Western European countries? It doesn’t as it’s not an analogous situation. Where in Europe is a situation like this? Perhaps in the former Yugoslavia. The point is not to make a comparison to the West. But just to say that there is a hardcore level of liberalism in Israel, which is a real culture-shock to me.
I think I wrote underneath already the Steve Sailor blog. Any ethnonationalist that idealizes Israel, will be extremely disappointed by the reality of the country if they would visit. There are certainly policy proposals (like fence building) which can be taken as very sensible, but then more than enough others- lack of parliamentary sovereignty, ultimate rule by a self-selecting liberal Supreme Court, and a post-nationalist media – which would only delight the strongest liberals.
I don’t have personal experience of Israel, but that seems like a one-sided generalization. Is Israel’s settler movement characterised by “suicidal tolerance”? Seems unlikely to me.
I guess you’re correct that though that secular left-wing Israelis of Ashkenazi origin often cling to stupid illusions…but if I understand correctly, the influence of that once-dominant demographic has been on the decline in recent decades.
And regarding Israel’s alleged liberalism which you criticize, to some extent it’s useful for Israel…if Israel broke completely with Western notions of rule of law, human rights (dubious as that concept is) etc., it would eventually imperil even the alliance with the US. As it is, Israel still gets away with more than any European US ally ever could.
And “extremely ethnonationalist” meant “relative to Western states”. Compared to much of the rest of the world (e.g. Turkey’s settlement policies in Cyprus, or what the Chinese are doing in Tibet and Xinjiang), there is of course nothing exceptional about Israel’s policies. It’s Western countries with their cult of antinationalism that are the outliers.
I’m not commenting on right or wrong of Israel situation, one way or another. (I have formed some opinions on that, but it’s a large topic.) Also, not saying that there are not far-right and Neo-Nazi style extremists there (these groups are very well known). I’m not even saying that it is a left-wing country. The majority of the population are nowadays (unlike the 1990s) on a kind of center-right of the spectrum.
The point is the culture shock at what they tolerate in the country and their different standards of tolerance or liberalism. When you have a habit of hearing people like Makarevich called traitors for a slight lack of loyalty, it is really amazing that in other countries they pay for people to stand in the national assembly, demanding the country’s destruction (and backed not just by words, but by regular terrorism in the streets – which terrorism can also be applauded by parliament members). Probably I would have to live there a number of years to understand and get over the surprise. Although I have friends that have lived there several years and it is still a culture shock for them.
This is quite another issue. But I think you’ve mixed up two different groups:
a) Jewish ethno-nationalists who hate anything European. These people are depicted here: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jewrys-disgraceful-hypocrisy/
Many Euro whites blame “Jews” for migrant crisis, but it is homegrown multicultural left that is to blame. No Shlomo Goldman forced Merkel to adopt suicidal policy, or too many Germans to remain so passive over past 2-3 years. The same goes for Italy, Spain, Sweden, Britain,..
b) European left is not pro-Israeli. It is pro-Palestinian & for them Israeli Jews are heirs to Crusaders or French in Algeria or Boers in South Africa. European leftists are suicidal & putting constant pressure on relatively normal European countries (Czechia etc.).
What are we talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXCO_-dhTbU
Swedes: Why are you pro-Palestinian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBewxQUHwvo
The Shocking Truth About Sweden (The White Rose Mirror)
This is quite a valid point overall, although the notion of ‘breaking with Western notions of rule of law’ is a kind of comical.
The average captured terrorist in Israel may get nicer treatment (the Israeli government pays for them to complete university degrees while in prison, as this is mandated by their Supreme Court), than many car-thieves in the United States. Again – here is an issue which can be a culture shock.
It depends. The British and French kill Muslims in all kinds of strange places, from Libya, to Chad, but it relatively unreported. The issue with Israel is that it is in the center-piece of interest to the Islamic world, and there is a large media coverage of the conflict, and as a result there is higher degree of cost (in terms of international opinion) for the US in appearing to support them.
I guess that just shows how abnormally right-wing you Russians actually are 🙂
Anyway, I suppose you’re correct to some degree, it’s probably true that the view of Israel as an ultra-right-wing ethnostate is somewhat of a caricature, or only partially true. “Unusually tolerant” still seems like an exaggeration to me since I doubt Israelis would ever be stupid enough to allow mass-immigration of non-Jews on such a scale that Tel Aviv becomes transformed like London, Paris or many other Western cities.
That’s not the point and not what I was getting at. Imagine if there was some nationalist movement in Britain or France that is politically influential, with ties to the government or even part of the government, and that advances positions of the sort “Rights of minorities should be safeguarded, but we want official recognition of England as an English national state (or in France a national state for white Frenchmen, what they call Français de souche)…we want to stabilize/raise the English proportion of the population”. That kind of discourse isn’t controversial in Israel as far as I can tell, and to some extent reflected in official policy…what do you think reaction of transatlantic elites would be if something like this happened in any European country?
And that’s not even getting at Israel’s settlement policy which is pure 19th century stuff…such territorial annexationism usually isn’t regarded as legitimate anymore in Western countries under the post-1945 order.
Well this is interesting. It is a bit of a different topic to the toleration of enemies as illegal immigrants are not exactly enemies.
If you walk in South Tel Aviv (I don’t recommend it), it is already as populated by illegal immigration as any of the worst parts in London or Paris. It feels like you are in Sudan for the whole area. It was already very backward and poor before they came though, but it used to be populated the Arab Jews and now it is endless blocks of African illegal immigrants (both Muslim – women in hijab – and Christian from Eritrea). I personally also saw a group of Central Asian Muslim (I guess illegal) immigrants there.
(When I walked through there, I actually feel sorry for the African illegal immigrants and kind of identify with them. They are certainly not enemies of the country, and many of them are not criminals, but working legitimately. I took some interesting photos last week of these people. But on a rational basis the situation is bad. You think that you are in Sudan. Guys are pissing in the streets and it has a feeling of chaos.)
On the other hand, the government is promising to deport illegal immigrants and has built a fence which has successfully stopped the flow.
And then finally, you have the Supreme Court, which has spent years trying to block any repatriation of illegal immigrants, and with media applause.
^ So you have the complicated reality which probably I have over-simplified. An extreme liberalism at the top (Supreme Court), and the elites (media). But also at the same time enough ‘red-neck’ thinking people in the general population (living mainly in the periphery of the country, and with core support from Middle Eastern Jews, national religious and Russian-speakers – all the ‘rabble’ of the country) who want to deport illegal immigrants.
The final cherry on the top is the NGO organized protests, where groups are often seen marching around and I think successfully gain sympathy from the liberal city-people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR9h9X9-B90
To a large extent that’s true, but as you note yourself the Jewish hypocrite who’s agitating for mass immigration out of resentment of Europeans (and some deluded fantasy that a society with lots of Muslims will be better for him…as if there weren’t plenty of horrible incidents that show exactly the opposite to be true, with quite grotesque assaults on or even murders of Jews by immigrant Muslims) is a not uncommon type that does exist. And quite a few of those people are just blatantly hypocritical…they want Israel to continue to be a potential bolt hole for themselves, but give no thought at all to the interests of groups who are losing their own nation states through mass immigration.
There certainly is a lot of anti-Israeli sentiment among the left in Europe, especially among the hard left. But I don’t think things are as black and white as you make them out to be. There are factions of the left that are pro-Israel, and once you move to the more mainstream left (Socialists, Greens) or centrists you do find a lot of ostentatious pro-Israel sentiment…and the very same people in other contexts are quite pro-multiculturalist/pro-mass immigration (e.g. a few years ago I had extended discussions on the net with a cretinous young Christian Democrat who was a member of the German-Israeli society and very concerned about people being anti-Israel, also fanatically pro-Ukraine/anti-Russia btw…once the “refugee” invasion hit in 2015 he was fully in support of it and started telling me how he wanted to report “racists” in social media to police…). Now maybe that’s a particularly pronounced problem in Germany due to obvious historical reasons. But my impression is such types do exist in other Western countries as well. I find them rather contemptible in their stupidity tbh.
Again, the baseline of pro-Zionism within the democrat party is set by the Republicans, who under normal non-Trumpian circumstances would be willing to start WWIII for Israel.
Under Obama, the Jews got 80% of what they wanted instead of everything. He simply implemented their policies in a more covert way (CIA seeding of colour revolutions etc instead of the yee-haw shock and awe of his predecessor).
The GOP is totally controlled by Zionists. The Democrats are nearly totally controlled. And whatever dissent to Democratic Zionism that exists within the party ranks, you can be sure that’s led and funded by ultra-liberal anti-nationalist yids like Soros, who feel the children of Israel are called to poz the whole world instead of just one little dot on the map.
It’s not just Arabs & politics. It penetrates every stratum of the society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXRFQKxYT54
The Israelis should kick those illegals out. And yes, you’re right, there does seem to be an anti-national left in Israel as well (which I actually find rather disturbing…if Israel isn’t a Jewish national state, what’s the point of it?). But the Israeli political system still seems more responsive to the nationalist sentiments of its citizens than most Western countries with their detached postnational elites.
It is ultra-right-wing ethnostate in which fairies and lesbians are ultra-right-wing and they can produce children (future ultra right wing soldiers) with the help of surrogate mothers in Nepal. When Dimitry wrote it I figured out that in Dimitri’s statement “Israel is unnaturally tolerant” the key word is “unnatural” like in unnatural acts, like homosexuality or bestiality and so on. This is what he disapproves of and objects to in Israel but killing Arabs on the other hand is probably the most natural for him and pretty much everybody else in the ultra-right-wing ethnostate.
That conflates acts of the Nazi government with those of the population of East Prussia.
Well sure, it is a rather bizarre and exotic parallel universe. But the country is a surprising contradiction in a lot of ways, some of them highly liberal ones (which is the part of culture shock for me and to my friends I visit, which have lived there for several years now, and only complain of how suicidally liberal it is).
Kind of place that serves as a projection for all kinds of fantasies from foreigners (Russia does similar), but needs at least actual living in a few months there to get any ‘less-wrong’ picture of.
There are a lot of contradictions like this. Often cited the Nazi style marriage. For example, I would not be able to marry a Jewish – or Muslim or Christian – woman in Israel, even if I settled there for permanently, as only religious marriage is possible – only existing between people who have Jewish maternal grandparents, or between people who belong to Muslim or Christian communities. On the face of it, it seems like a Nazi style restriction (although it is typical in the region – the same thing is in Lebanon). But then you have to reconcile fact that in Israel you see more interracial couples than anywhere I’ve seen in the world. They are engaging in a mass interracial marriage project, with white guys and brown girls, and vice versa all over the place. The kind of traditional skin-based racism is undoubtedly one of the lowest in the world (the average groups of friends walking in the street are multi-racial).
These kind of contradictions can go on and on, and which makes it quite exotic (from distance I am somewhat horrified of Israel, but once I get off the plane I am fascinated and an undeniable fan of it).
Pro-Zionist left is very much of a thing in Hungary for sure.
It’s not really Nazi style…more like Ottoman style, with religious communities regulating marriages and the like for their members, and no civil marriage (iirc people who fall outside that system usually go to Cyprus to marry).
I take your word about the absence of “skin-based racism”, but doesn’t this mostly just mean European Jews mixing with Mideastern ones? Not sure I’d call that exactly “interracial”.
In fairness to feminism movement (which is another religion in Israel), it means this kind of entertainingly opinionated girl becomes quite common there. So, she is Israeli-Ukrainian nationalist girl living in the London… and Russophobic. And with a ‘Make America Great Again’ hat to top it off.
A lot of mixed nationality or interracial couples all over the cafes and restaurant. People with white skin and blonde hair, with people with brown skin and black hair. The quite common mixed looking kind of couples there: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2017147478562013&set=ecnf.100008003401231&type=3&theater
I’m not leftist that say this is anything good – (or bad – I don’t care). But it is part of strange contradictions in that country.
I was never working or educated in Israel – I lived there for four months five years ago. I can speak a little Hebrew though. However, the politics of my friend (he has qualified as a doctor) who have been living there several years is funnily a little as you describe. But again – all they talk about their perspective is not accepted amongst many native Israelis who they think are highly liberals (of course there is a lot of rednecks outside of the center of the country). I would predict most people become more socially liberal and tolerant of all different kinds of races and life-styles when they immigrate there just as it is a very varying place (kind of opposite of what ethnonationalist would want for their country).
Thanks UTU,
Never heard about Kitos or any events between the destruction of the Temple and Bar-Kokhba.
So, now I read Wikipedia.
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You expressed my feelings on Kevin McDonald better than I.
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Sorry, posted a comment for Mr. UTU as a reply to your K. Mac post.
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this is a good answer to the first question. Jews are loyal to Jewry, not to Israel, which is a flag of Jewry. However, this correct answer is verboten, as you aren’t allowed to noice or refer to Jewry at all. Jewry existed before the state of Israel, and probably will outlive it.
Jewry is the Jewish equivalent of Muslim
, and of Christian
.
Asia has a few such religious communities, Zoroastrians in India come to mind.
There are very wealthy Jewish communities without any involvement in the discourse. Syrian Jews and the richest Jewish community of all, the Mountain Jews of Caucasus are the prime example.
Back to loyalty: Jews are loyal to supreme power. They were loyal to Moscow until Washington came into their field of vision, and since then they remained en masse loyal to Washington.
Perhaps one can conclude with Pelevin’s observation: every Jew has divided loyalties, divided between Tel Aviv and New York.
Re. deportations from Warsaw ghetto….. They brought in Lithuanians to do it, then killed all the Lithuanians.
“I’ve never met a Jew who uses the word goyim…”
Then you don’t get out much (or you’re too obvious a stiff and towheaded goy for them to speak in front of you). About the first time I really heard it used (1977), a college aged Jewess told an acquaintance how happy she was that her family was moving to Israel, because she was “sick of all the goyim.”
As far as jokes about non-Jews, don’t forget “Shiksas don’t count.” I think that qualifies, because it’s said with a sneer.
Well your theory is wrong.Were you old enough to read and use the net in 2003? Everyone knew the JEWS were pushing it.
*January 2003, The New York Sun’s David Twersky reported:
According to Mr. Kohr, AIPAC’s successes over the past year also include guaranteeing Israel’s annual aid package and “quietly” lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq.”
*And that’s not the only instance in which AIPAC’s support of the Iraq War has been reported.
In April 2003, Nathan Guttman reported for Haaretz:
AIPAC is wont to support whatever is good for Israel, and so long as Israel supports the war, so too do the thousands of the AIPAC lobbyists who convened in the American capital.
*That same April, The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank reported that AIPAC’s Steve Rosen, serving as a panel moderator during the group’s annual conference, exclaimed, “God willing, we’re going to have a great victory in Iraq.”
*Jeffrey Goldberg, writing in The New Yorker in 2005, reported that AIPAC “lobbied Congress in favor of the Iraq war, but Iraq has not been one of its chief concerns.”
*In 2007, then-Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA), told Tikkun Magazine that AIPAC has pushed [the Iraq war] from the beginning. I don’t think they represent the mainstream of American Jewish thinking at all, but because they are so well organized, and their members are extraordinarily powerful—most of them are quite wealthy—they have been able to exert power.”
Are you stupid ?? Or just another Jewish troll ??
”Moving to a Traditional Balance of Power Strategy
TEXT:
We must distinguish soberly and clearly friend from foe. We must make sure that our friends across the Middle East never doubt the solidity or value of our friendship.
Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria’s regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam. ”
The paper set out a plan by which Israel would “shape its strategic environment”, beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein and the installation of a Hashemite monarchy in Baghdad….the plan was to take Iraq first, then Syria and then Iran…and that would also neutralize Lebanon…..Israel would then be the supreme power of the ME.
”Committee For A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000:”
Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute, Study Group Leader ….. Jew
James Colbert, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs……………. Jew
Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Johns Hopkins University/SAIS
Douglas Feith, Feith and Zell Associates ……………………………………………………………………Jew
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies……Jew
Jonathan Torop, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy…………………………….Jew
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies…………………..Jew
Meyrav Wurmser, Johns Hopkins University……………………………………………………….Jew
I doubt there is a project there. Perhaps Wilhelm Marr, the ideological founder of antisemitism, was onto something when he wrote that “Jews are blacks with white skin”. I know it sounds rude & absurd, but perhaps he was onto something deeper.
Surely there is an affinity between Jews & blacks (or “darkies”). Perhaps 70% of NBA club owners are Jews; US Jews always complain about “poor blacks” & Jewish-American behavior can only be termed as “unrequited love” (blacks hate them). There definitely is, among non-negligible segment of Jewish culture, a tendency toward idolization of “dark meat”.
What about Jews hate Christ and Christians?? And Jews are working toward the destruction of Christianity?? Going to answer that one Jew??
Actually there really was a Polish “Holocaust” already,
and that was back in the 1650s. Over 50% of the Polish
population was killed by the invading Swedes in what
the Nobel-winning writer Henryk Sienkiewicz called the Deluge
(although he didn’t invent the term). If that’s not genocide,
then I don’t know what is. So Poland experienced two genocides
in its history. The reason is that Poland is situated at the great
border between the Germanics and the Slavs, and therefore it
fell to Poland to bear the brunt of defending Slavia against the Germanic
expansionism. As I posted here before, much of the 1200-year history of
east Central Europe can be understood as a great battle between 120
million Germanics and 240 million Slavs (to use current population
figures – Germanics include primarily the German states and Sweden).
It’s a battle the Germanics could not win because of the lopsided
populations. Nevertheless, they tried, and Hitler’s aggression can be
seen as the last desperate attempt in this struggle. Of course, the Germanics
were summarily defeated, and hopefully they learned their lesson, and the
lesson is that the SLAVS ARE INVINCIBLE, both territorially and populationwise.
The Jews were simply collateral damage. Naturally, I’m omitting a lot of
details, but I think my model gives what the mathematicians call a zero-order
approximation, i.e., a useful starting generalization.
By the way, because at the time of the first Polish Holocaust (or genocide if you
will) in the 1650s, 90% of the world’s Ashkenazi Jews lived in the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth, it’s quite probable that the Swedes also killed thousands
of Jews, thus producing the first mini-Holocaust in Europe. Israel (as well as
Poland) should go after Sweden and start demanding reparations. The historians
could crunch the numbers to see if what I’m saying is true.
Alright, some summing up from a white European man who is neither antisemite nor philosemite…
they were until 1800 creative only in the field of religious literature. Narrow but great.
they are vastly over-represented in past 70 years, and prominent in past 100-150 years. For instance (c/p) from another site): Jews, a mere 2-3% of US population, contributed more than 20-25% to its affluence & scientific dominance in the world. In Soviet Union, from 1920 on, way too many creative minds in math & physics have been Jews (Urysohn, Sinai, Landau, Kapitza, Zel’dovich, Friedman, Vilenkin, Dynkin..). In US & Soviet nuclear programs over 50% of contributors had been Jews; among top mathematicians in Russia and Soviet Union, perhaps 50-70% & in US also well over 50%, perhaps 70%. When Hitler came to power, Jews were among their best scientists; when they emigrated (Courant, Noether, Cohen, ..), German mathematics plummeted. Post-WW2 German math is weak & almost negligible, only physics is stronger, but in comparison with US, they (Germany, UK, Russia, France, Japan,..)- they’re all midgets. In the most promising field of M theory & superstrings, Jews are maybe 70-80%. Among Russian recipients of Fields medal, perhaps close to 50% are Russian Jews. Israel – https://www.israel21c.org/israels-top-45-greatest-inventions-of-all-time-2/ , https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/list-of-inventions-and-discoveries-by-israel-1499687247-1 …
http://www.jinfo.org/
stereotypically stingy
assimilated “biological” full Jews or half-Jews tend to be antisemitic (Torquemada, St. John, Marx, Proust, Bobby Fischer, ..). Half-Jews without Jewish identity very prominent in sciences, some in arts (Alexander Grothendieck, Montaigne, Marcel Proust, ..)
historically, the most creative & intelligent Jews have been Iberian Sephardim whose brilliance extended from ca. 800 AD do 1700. (Solomon ben Gibriol, Maimonides, Spinoza, Juda ha Levy etc.). Ashkenazim were, with few exceptions, dumb relatives somewhere in the northeastern mists. Their rise began on wings of German Enlightenment
their cuisine is not to be envied
apart from Einstein, there have been no supreme minds among them, comparable to creative culture heroes of old (Aristotle, Archimedes, Newton, Shakespeare, Leibniz, Bach, Kant, Euler, Gauss, Lavoisier,..). They’re almost exclusively very great talents & “small geniuses”, and are not nearly as prominent in arts & humanities. But maybe that’s the way world works these days … Physicists, not metaphysicians.
women. That’s a hard question. Typically Jewish women not much attractive to us. Ugly Jewish females very prominent in radical feminism. On the other hand, nice looking assimilated Jewish girls very attractive & good marriage material- wives of Thomas Mann, Robert Musil, Enrico Fermi, Hermann Hesse, Rilke’s mistress, … Some think they’re easy, but I would say this is wrong- they’re “easy” in comparison to Sicilian women (so is anyone else)
progressives & most European Jews lost their religion. Even religious people, most of them progressives- female rabbis etc.
not too prominent in arts & sports
very prominent in entertainment, but not among greatest directors (Bunuel to Welles to Tarkovsky to Malick)
religious Jews- a joyful people in many respects (see their weddings). Non-religious: high levels of neuroticism, misery & frustration. Achievement not matched by happiness.
very prominent in finances & media, but not that influential. Military-industrial complex is, apart from Israel, mostly dominated by local peoples; the same with oil & gas; most banking and high finances are safely Gentile (China, US, UK, Japan, Germany, France,..). Dominate US media, not so in other countries.
high degrees of assimilation (outside of Israel) in past 30-60 years, 60-80%
typical professions: lawyers, doctors, dentists, bankers, entertainers, …tailors, cobblers, drapers,..
genetic diseases due to endogamous marriages
humor- more sarcastic & surreal than relaxed
loud, noisy, gesticulating (a Mediterranean thing?)
men easily turned into doormats
orientation towards future- science fiction, radical new ideas in sciences & humanities
in love with European high culture, from Greek to Italian & German
liberal Jews prone to race mixing, especially with Asians & dark Middle Easterners
….
I just read the title.
Wrong one.
Being an antisemite is worse than being a multiple child murderer.
The title should have been something like ‘Do you criticise some jews, and/or Israeli policy ?’.
” But then again, so does this rabbi, who scored 6/11 in a similar article for the Jewish mag The Forward. As I said at the start, things are complicated. ”
The standard answer when one asks a jew about a nasty matter.
Cannot see anything complicated.
(Some) jews control a lot of things, western media, western finance, USA foreign policy.
Draghi was a Goldman Sachs employee, Macron worked for the Rothschild Bank of France.
Van der Veer, former Shell CEO, is chairman of a NATO advisory committee.
Bilderberg, a Rothschild matter, is becoming more and more suspicious.
Jews still make a lot of fuss about the holocaust, Ward Churchill in a footnote mentions some 20 jewish historians full time working on the holocaust.
Not a week passes in the Netherlands without some mention of the holocaust.
How many Dutch politicians are jews, hard to ascertain.
Certainly former prime minster Asscher is, and former socialist leader Samsom is.
The head of Dutch tv news is Gelauff, a jew.
Many Dutch journalists are jews.
Ward Cchurchill has a clash with jews about which holocaust was the worst, on the jews, or on the N American Indians.
100 million is an estimate of Indian deaths.
The lowest estimate of WWII deaths seems to be 60 million, 6 million jews is just ten percent
Someone like Soros tries to rule Hungary, with help of Tusk, Juncker and Timmermans.
AIPAC has an office in Brussels, and one in Paris.
If Soros is behind the EU pressure on Poland, one can only guess.
There is so sign whatsoever that Israel wants to behave as tiny Middle East country, trying to make peace with the neighbours and the Palestinians.
Then there is the Holllings 2004 statement that Bush promised AIPAC the war on Iraq, for the jewish vote.
Jewish power is declining in the United States, as seen in (1)
the declining numbers of Jewish senators and congressmen.
Those numbers reached their peak in the early 2000s. Senator
Al Franken was the latest casualty; (2) rapidly dwindling numbers
of Evangelicals, Israel’s biggest supporters. Few people read the Bible
anymore. E.g., most readers today encountering Faulkner’s novel, “Absalom,
Absalom!” have no idea who Absalom was. That would have been unthinkable
in the 1950s. (3) The numbers of movie goers and TV watchers on a per
capita basis, where the Jewish propaganda is one of the strongest, have
sharply declined in recent years, but (4) what really did the greatest damage
to the Jewish reputation in the U.S. were the recent Hollywood scandals with
Weinstein, and so many other Jewish figures heavily overrepresented among them. By
the way, Lawrence Krauss, a famous physicist, is the latest disgraced figure. Jewish
reputation is now permanently tarnished in the U.S. And Israel, with all the corruption and
the scandals besetting Netanyahu, is no longer taken as seriously as it once
was. When the Jews were at the height of their power in the days leading to
the Iraqi invasion, they still had the power to cover up what was going on
in Hollywood, etc. Not anymore.
If you are saying that because you expect Jews to reciprocate your generosity, you are a fool beyond description.
The criminal state of Israel should always and everywhere be opposed by moral men, and its ultimate downfall devoutly desired.
As I pointed out, there were very few Jews in Russia proper
until 1900 or so. They were not protected by numbers so they
had to assimilate or else. Poland had until 1940 the world’s highest
percentage of Jews so they were like Cubans in Miami. They
basically formed their own country within Poland.
Nevertheless the median household income
for the U.S. Jews is twice as high as the U.S. average.
Read the Wikipedia article on the Jews in the United States.
Jewish influence in the USA??
Did anyone see Trump genuflect to Jews at AIPAC during the presidential campaign??
It was pathetic.
THAT ALONE is proof that Jews hold waaaaay too much power in the USA.
It’s amazing some desert craphole in the middle east holds this much power in North America.
Never mind Russia proper, they assimilated heavily into Russian culture even during 1890s. Most Polish Jews did not assimilate into Polish culture, except a few mentioned. Read Czeslaw Milosz.
Of course, most Ashkenazim assimilated into German culture, because Yiddish is something like German Ebonics.
At the same time there were some towering Christian
figures in Polish mathematics like Stefan Banach, one of
the founders of functional analysis (Banach spaces, …);
Wacław Sierpiński, great number theorist (famous for the
Sierpiński triangle, etc); Jan Łukasiewicz, one of the greatest
logicians of the 20th century (famous for inventing the Polish
notation in mathematics). He founded his own school whose
work is continuing in the U.S. ; As Poland did not exist in the
19th century, there were many famous mathematicians of Polish
ancestry who lived abroad. Among them was Łobaczewski
(Lobachevsky), one of the inventors of non-Euclidean geometry,
and Zofia Kowalewska (Sofia Kovalevskaya), famous woman
mathematician.
As I keep pointing out, Poland as a state did not exist in the 19th century.
It was (unwillingly) part of the Russian Empire. Polish was forbidden in
Polish territories as a language of instruction. Russian was the required
language in government, business, and education. So the Jews, like the
Polish Christians, simply had no choice. They had to assimilate or else.
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was always permissive in its
language policy. Russia was a despotic empire in the 19th century.
In Poland there was an expression 100 years ago, “Musi to na Rusi,
a w Polsce jak kto chce, ” i.e., ” In Russia you must (do as you’re told)
whereas in Poland you do as you please.” Let’s not forget that the
“Russian” tsars were 90% German – they introduced Prussian despotism
and discipline into Russia.
I’m Polish so I’m well acquainted with Miłosz but he is a writer, not
a historian. I recommend that you don’t limit your reading
of Polish history to only the 20th century. Read up on the Polish-
Lithuanian Commonwealth and its successor territories in the
19th century. Think about why Poland for much of its history, up
to 1940, had the world’s highest percentage of Jews (and probably
Ukrainians and Belarusians as well) and why the Polish Jews mostly
didn’t leave for the U.S. around 1900 but the “Russian” Jews did.
What drove the “Russian” Jews from Russia?
Jews are not afraid to walk on thin ice. They introduced feminism and that was good for me.
So I do not complain.
You forgot to mention that Polish Lithuanian commonwealth engaged Hungary and together attacked Russia. And that was the end of Polish Lithuanian commonwealth.
It was not.
In some regions IIRC overall mortality was close to 50%, but overall it was like 1/3 of population, not 50%/
Huh?! When Poland allies with Hungary to attack Russia?! Do you, perchance mean when Russia invaded Poland taking the advantage of there being no king, then stopping invasion hoing taht Ivan would be elected, and then Poland elected Hungarian Stephan Bathory who then decisively defeated Russian invasion?
That is exactly what I mean!
He’s a Jew, with (or at least growing up with) apparently much less knowledge of Hebrew or Yiddish than even the tiny smattering I got (not a Jew) growing up in NJ.
Perhaps it’s England, or maybe a class thing?
Here’s a good one:
It’s a shtetl in Poland in the eighteenth century. There’s a storm and the snow is driving. Old Abraham Moskowitz is dying, and he knows the end is coming soon. So he says to his son “Fetch a priest, before it’s too late”. His wife says “Surely you mean the rabbi, dear?”. Abe says “No, I said a priest and I meant a priest! Now go!”; the son leaves. The wife says “Abraham, are you going to abandon the faith of your fathers? How can you do this?” The man says: “What are you, crazy? You want the rabbi should miss his dinner and come out in this snow?”
Everyone wants a glorious past. What is the Old Testament if not a re-invention
of Jewish history to provide the Jews with a glorious past (great kings, palaces, …)
they didn’t have? There is much religious history in the OT as well, but that’s
a separate issue.
I always chuckle when I hear the American Jews referred to as either the
German or the Russian Jews. This is another attempt at a Jewish reinvention
of history. They want to be associated with large countries like Germany or
Russia, when in fact the vast majority came here from the former territories
of the Polish-Lithuanian Comonwealth but to be associated with eastern Poland,
Ukraine, Belarus, and Lithuania is to admit a lowly origin, and we mustn’t have that.
But just looking at the oafish, boorish, and heavy-handed behavior by people
like Harvey Weinstein and Al Franken shows the lowly origins of most
American Jews. Aristocratic people don’t behave like that.
I think Russian bloggers like The Saker, and less so Karlin, are naive about the
United States. They don’t understand why there is so much hatred toward Russia
in the NY Times, and the mainstream media in general. The hatred is almost
comical. Someone should write a learned treatise on various types of Jewish
bigotry (antigentilism). The bigotry is very specific. It’s directed primarily
against the Slavs, mostly the Russians and the Polish, i.e., it takes the form
of Russophobia and antipolonism.
The simplest way to demonstrate Jewish bigotry is to look at how
the Hollywood Jews portray the Slavs on television. A couple of examples:
Biskupski. At the time when Poland was fighting for its survival and
America was on its side, Hollywood never missed a chance to portray Poland
in a negative light;
Television Show “All in the Family” (1971-79) has a major character Michael
Stivic (aka Meathead), (of course, portrayed by a Jewish actor Reiner) who
is basically the butt of jokes in the show. This was at the time when the Polish
jokes, often written by Jewish bigots, were at their peak. Stivic is a Polish
Catholic in the show;
Television Show “The Big Bang Theory” (2007- ) has a major character
Bernadette Rostenkowski, again portrayed by a Jewish actress Rauch.
Bernadette is a Polish American. She may be well educated but is about as
unpleasant a character as one can get, even by TV standards.
Since the 1990s there have been constant portrayals of the Russian mafia on
U.S. television. They’ve become safe go-to villains. Of course, the Americans
who cannot even distinguish Russians from Ukrainians, would never assume
that the most over-represented group in the “Russian” mafia are the Jews. At
the same time, while Israel is one of the world’s biggest centers of criminal
activity and human trafficking, I don’t recall shows portraying Israeli Mafia
critically.
To summarize, just like there is a flight from white, the vast majority of
the American Jews are in a psychological flight from their lowly origins
in Slavic Europe, lest someone think they might be part Slavonic, even
part Polish. You mean our Germanic names like Weinstein
or Lauer can no longer protect us? Quelle horreur!
Anyone else here manage to ace the Karlin JooieQ test and score 11 out of 11? Looking forward to all kinds of future tests: NigQ, FagQ, GookQ, CuntQ, HillbillyQ, TrannyQ, MuzzieQ, PedoQ, LezzieQ, CannibalQ. The possibilities are endless. Suggestion: extra credit questions so us high achievers can score even higher……say 13 out of 11 kind of like those post office exam preferences where successful applicants score 110 out of 100.
The figure of about 50% was given to me by a Swede.
Well, 1/3 would still be horrendous. I would count it as a genocide.
Norman Davies and other historians maintain this was
by far the greatest disaster in Polish history, greater than
World War II
The survey Anatoly Karlin responds to in this marvelously even-handed and independent-minded article appears to be the same as was described in this NYT article on May 13th, 2014: “26 Percent of World’s Adults Are Anti-Semitic, Survey Finds,” by Rick Gladstone. If you read the NYT article, you may note that Abraham Foxman, who was the Anti-Defamation League’s national director at the time, is the only authority quoted about his own organization’s survey. You may also note that even though almost all of the questions concern simple opinions rather than “hate,” Foxman is allowed to represent the results as if every respondent with a negative impression of Jews was filled with “hate”. For example: “Mr. Foxman said that the survey had enabled the League to ‘identify hot spots, as well as countries and regions of the world where hatred of Jews is essentially nonexistent.’ ” As for the astounding title, is it an alarm or a boast — or both?
“after having helped the Nazis genocide them”
Except there was no ‘genocide of Jews’, period. Unless you count the other fake ones from 1869.
Don’t be fooled again.
Facts & science over Zionist propaganda now a religion.
http://www.codoh.com
http://balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Scan-New-York-Times-Six-Million-Since-1869-Composite.jpg
http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
In your account you’re forgetting that 50% of the U.S.
Jews are not college educated. In 1900 in New York City
most of the prostitutes were Jewish. Jewish men were
overrepresented in organized crime until the 1950s.
They have advanced socially since then but still I’ve
known some Jewish roofers, etc. And the Orthodox and
Ultra-Orthodox in the U.S. are poorly educated, and
often on welfare.
I wonder what percentage of the world’s Jews could
be described as antigentilist. Somebody should develop
a test for that. So on one hand, we have antisemitism,
and on the other we have antigentilism. Have we made
any progress? We are all simply tribal, and that’s perfectly
normal. History of the last 300 years demonstrates that
we haven’t advanced much beyond the level of smart chimps
– we are territorial, status-seeking, and tribal just like chimps.
Jews behave like smart chimps as much as anybody else.
Studies have shown that they are in fact the most ethnocentric
group in America.
Well, there is also the case of Kosiński and “Painted Bird”. I think it’s the most astonishing example of that very specific mindset – guy saved by decent Polish family, then goes to USA and writes fictional book, pretending it’s autobiography, where he depicts Poles as cruel, primitive barbarians, and Germans are actually quite decent, civilised people.
You are cmpletely wrong. However, I debated enough with holocaust denials to know that nothing, no amount of evidence, will change their minds, so I will stop at saying that Holocaust did happen.
🙂
what’s the Mensa equivalent?
D for diversity,
Densa?
That’s most likely true.
Here is from wikipedia:
“According to the estimates of Polish scholars I. Ihnatowicz, Z. Landau, A. Mączak and B. Zientara, the invasion by the Swedish army and its allies (Brandenburg-Prussia and Transilvania), resulted in the loss of 25% of the population in four core Polish provinces. Lesser Poland lost 23% of population, Mazovia 40% in villages and 70% in towns, Greater Poland 50% in villages and 60% in towns. Royal Prussia lost some 60% of its population.”
Maybe your Polish friend had in thought not Poland in whole, but Greater Poland alone.
Greater Poland and ROyal Prussia were the most developed provinces of Poland. The Swedish “Deluge” was an event which decisively broke the backbone of Poland. What’s most surprising that Swedes took over the vast swaths of the country without much of the opposition.
“In the most promising field of M Theory …”
While I enjoy most of your posts, I need to point out that string
theories have been an unmitigated disaster. Physics is unable
to move beyond the Standard Model, and has entered the stage
of diminishing returns. One problem is that Jews generally
avoid experimental physics. Feynman was very critical of that.
Nobel Prizes today are given these days for trivial corrections,
not for something on the scale of the discovery of the atomic nucleus
or the invention of the transistor.
Yes, I’ve seen Kosiński often on American talk shows
back in the ’70s. He was given instant access to the Big Megaphone
I do enjoy online noise. 4900 words about nothing much at all.
Massive population collapses were a matter of course in preindustrial times.
Most of the deaths were not military-related, but related to the famines and epidemics produced by the chaos.
Germany also lost 1/3 of its population during the 30 Years War.
China typically lost at least 1/4 of its population with each new dynastic cycle.
https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/china-demography1.png
As they say, the past is a different country – and a pretty grimdark one at that.
“In 1900 in New York City most of the prostitutes were Jewish”.
This explains the devastating FDS (Frozen Dick Syndrome) epidemic of the early 1900s in NYC.
Early Christianity and present day Islam disdain interest bearing banking and money earned in this manner. They encouraged the Jews to do the dirty work for them. Later on Christians decided to soil their hands with filthy lucre but Islam has kept pure and pious in this regard. By default many Jews got wealthy but there are lots of Jewish plumbers and cab drivers in Tel Aviv, folks.
https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2017/12/07/now-as-then-glitter-astounds-the-primitive-soul
The dissection of this issue always leaves sophistic maneuvering room for the so inclined, while reliably evading the bottom line.
The issue “What is a jew?”
I note Gilad Atzmons excerpt from testimony, as expert witness on Jewish Identity politics, at ‘hate crime” trial (Britsih Columbia, Canada) of Arthur Topham 20151108-20151109
Sourced originally at: http://blog.balder.org/?p=1673
The ridiculousness of generational ‘intelligence’ persistence due to genetics
I utterly dismiss any suggestion of superior intelligence by any racial group; this is an utterly absurd proposition, which is infesting the internet commentary sites, which suggests design.
The only genetically persistent (genome) groupings associate to a. patrilineal descent via Y-chromosome sub-type and matrilineal descent via mitochondrial DNA (mDNA).
No scientific method in existence could control for even physiognomy let alone behavioural characteristic differences.
What “a jew”?
“The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf p.64/395
“Nevertheless, in the case of the Jews there was an obvious paradox which repeatedly baffled and alarmed the peoples among whom they dwelt: The Jewish Law expressed the theory of the master-race in the most arrogant and vindictive form conceivable to the human imagination; how then could the Jews attack nationhood in others? Why did the Jews demand the levelling of barriers between men when they built an ever stronger barrier between the Jews and other men? How could people, who claimed that God had made the very world itself for them to rule, and forbade them to mix with lesser breeds, complain of discrimination?”
p.240/395
“Mr. Martin Dies once described the A.D.L., which supplied these lists, as “a terrorist organization, using its resources, not to defend the good name of Jews, but to force and compel compliance with the objectives of their organization by [350] terrorist methods; it is a league of defamation”.* The description was borne out by the disclosures of the Subcommittee to Investigate the Civil Service Commission set up by the Committee on Expenditures of the American House of Representatives, which met on October 3, 6 and 7, 1947 under the chairmanship of Representative Clare E. Hoffman of Michigan.”
The terms “jew”, jewish”, and “antisemitism”, are all terms created by these people to intimidate goyim and further their agenda.
So, who and/or what are these people?
They can be more meaningfully described as Torah-Pharisees-Talmund adherents, but for most people, this is just as useless for understanding how the self-identifying group interacts with other groups.
The better answer lies in the Talmud, in its preponderance.
My northern European cultural tradition considers this as destructive cheating.
Now the entire planet is in jeopardy.
I set aside the superfluous question in the article, since the entire question is designed to yet again intimidate all ex-self-identifying members of the international Torah-Pharisees-Talmund adherents collective, and further systemic advantage in all aspects of society, to address the root issue,
i.e. our pretty little blue paradise planet?
“Antisemitism“, I’m way beyond this; the ridiculousness of the term is in and of itself a belligerent challenge to the non-ignorant.
I’m interested in survival of the planet!
The objectives and methods of this international collective is extremist anti-socialism, and inexorably leading to utter destruction, by it’s fundamental nature!
No sane person wouldn’t be against it.
I honestly believe that many of the adherents would leave the inherent value-proposition (carrot) of their inclusion, if they became more aware of the fact-based history of stated intentions and methods used over the past 2500 years.
It is these people that must break free from the (at least) perception of the favorable value-proposition of societal upward support/propulsion offered by membership in the collective.
Fundamental to the functioning of the societal subversion systems are the contributions of the adherents in positions of authority; and ultimately, this is enabled by a seminal acceptance of the ridiculous myth of superiority of members of the collective to everybody else, and the resultant selective de-empathification, which is a necessary psychological baseline for the game-playing behaviours.
I am not propounding hatred against anybody, but for the wide dissemination of the facts.
I recommend the afore-cited “Controversy of Zion“, but for those who discriminate against all things not ‘jewish’, you can survey the mountain of supporting available documentation, starting with memoires of: Chaim Weissman, Stephen Wise, Ariel Sharon, etc. the Hasbara, Oded Yinons, the Torah itself, and though extremely cumbersome, the Talmud, which is effectively a ideological manifesto for systemic discrimination against all out-group people (goyim) for the purpose of complete domination!
The truth will set you free.
This is not about any anti-[anything/anyone], this is about survival of the biosphere.
Which evidence ?
Even Elie Wiesel, in his first book, just asserts that there were gas chambers.
He never saw them.
Then the story about how the gassings went exclude any witnesses.
On top of that, Poliakov writes, based in Neurenberg ‘evidence’, that the gas chambers were destroyed with explosives at the end of 1944.
Léon Poliakov, ‘Bréviaire de la Haine, Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs’, 1951, 1974, Paris
That there is a very good explanation for the deaths, read
Paul Rassinier, ´Was ist Wahrheit ?, Die Juden und das Dritte Reich´, Leoni am Starnberger See, 7th printing, 1981 (Le véritable procès Eichmann ou les vainqueurs incorrigibles, 1963; The Real Eichmann Trial or the Incorrigible Victors. ISBN: 0911038485, 1983)
and
J.G. Burg, Schuld und Schicksal, Europas Juden zwischen Henkern und Heuchlern, München, 1962
Burg describes the jewish camp east of the Bug, near Brest Litovks, with restaurants for the rich.
Just as Poliakov describes the ghetto in Warsaw, with prices of meals and wine and liquor.
The camps had self management, what also Wiesel acknowledges.
This management ate well, who did not belong to the management died in six months time, under nourishment.
Some of what you wrote is true (organized crime etc., for instance even Isaac Babel wrote about Jewish gangsters in Odessa).
But your general intonation is antisemitic – not that there is anything wrong with that, just commenting …
I wrote, off the top of my head, a few stereotypically Jewish traits. I could have written much more, both plus & minus. For instance:
Jewish males have been all literate from ca. 2nd-3rd C AD, which is something without parallel in world history among traditional peoples until 19th C
Kabbalistic literature (Yetzirah, Bahir, Zohar, Pardes, sayings or writings of Abulafia & Luria) are the most impressive Western esoteric imaginal tradition, by far surpassing traditional Hellenic & Christian ones (not philosophically, but imaginatively- Neo-Platonism & Hermetism seem dry & pale in comparison. Kabbalah, with its wild imagination, remains a fountainhead of creative imagology better than, say, Christian esotericism, Sufism or Ch’an/Zen & Daoism)
without Hebrew imagination, there would hardly have been much of European high culture, which is based partly on Jewish mythology (Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel & Moses, Rembrandt’s paintings, Titian’s motives etc.)
On the other hand, Jews are accused of:
having controlled African slave trade. Bollocks. Participated, yes; controlled- nonsense.
So, what’s the point?
Jews who came to the US from 1890s to 1910s were among the poorest groups, but they haven’t stuck to lazy whining: they got education, they tried & succeeded in becoming professors, scientists, opera conductors, lawyers,… They invented most of the Hollywood & founded most of the US papers & modern media. What prevented WASPs, or immigrant Italians, Poles, Greeks, Germans, … to struggle & work so hard in academic disciplines or even silly, yet successful enterprises like Marvel comics?
Nothing.
Jews are not to blame.
Jews have too much control over the global media
Is there ONE name in the world’s media who will openly talk about Israeli nukes?
Is there ONE major news person who will talk about the Israeli torture of Palestinian children?
The answer is NO and NO!
Now that is total real power.
Think Peace — Art
p.s. Jew control of the media contributes to making all 11 of those questions mostly true.
You contradict yourself. M-theory, true, had not given expected results. It is a heroic attempt to move beyond Standard Model, far more promising than, say, Ashtekar’s loop gravity- but it collapsed into cosmic landscape of Susskind & I don’t see how it can go beyond it.
So, the most ambitious theoretical physics theory is dominated by Jews (from Schwartz to Witten and Susskind and Strominger (a half Jew)), but it may very well be a dead end. But at least it was a Promethean effort to go beyond status quo. Those who failed at least-tried. You play, you pay.
As for lack of Jewish involvement in experimental physics, it is not true. I need only mention Burton Richter, Saul Perlmutter or Barry Barish.
This is a very, very questionable statement. Poland sometimes fought with the German and Scandinavian States, sometimes with neighbours, the Slavs (as a result of the Polish invasion in the early 17th century Russia supposedly lost 40% of the population).
“Slavia defending against the Germanic
expansionism ” – then Russia is probably the defender of Europe against Asian expansionism?/s
I think you have revealed at least two primary failings in the survey or maybe traps is a better word.
It is loaded with false dichotomous presses and it doesn’t have conditional descriptors. The tests are not really tests as much as blinded sided indictments schooling the reader in what not to be believe.
The survey designers needed to take lessons from the Jeff Foxworthy school of rhetorical comedy.
“If your bath tub uses a rototiller to make bubble jets, You might be a redneck.”
A correction to my post about different forms of bigotry
among the Jews. In Israel there is no question that anti-arabism
is the most common form of prejudice among the Jews. As Israel
Shamir said in his latest post, hatred of the Arabs is the cement
that unites the Israelis. Antislavism or slavophobia is second.
But in the United States it’s the reverse: hatred of the Slavs, especially
Russophobia and antipolonism are a very common form of bigotry among
the Jewish chattering classes. Hatred of the Arabs comes second. And
the American Jews seem proud of being bigoted, and nobody is
calling them on this. One might also add that there is no love lost
between the Jews and the American blacks.
The obsession of Americans with anti-Semitism is a manifestation of Jewish supremacism and anti-native racism.
The perpetual bleating about Jewish victimization in a society where Jews are clearly dominant serves three purposes: it promotes Jewish solidarity; it intimidates those who might criticize the means by which Jews combine to advance their own interests; and it becomes, in itself, a cause of anti-Jewish sentiment and thus a justification for a continuation of the bleating.
This poll reminds me of all of the online questionnaires about mental health disorders. Are you suffering from anti-Semitism? Now there’s a pill that may help!
But this is a good thing. For decades, there’s been a cultural push to name any kind of dislike as a “phobia” – literally a mental disorder characterized by irrational fear.
Simultaneously, there’s been a campaign to destigmatize the hipper, trendier mental disorders… to the point where you can’t sneeze without hitting someone who feels empowered to tell you about their struggle with depression, autism, PTSD, gender dysphoria, etc…
So my proposal is to embrace the two prevailing trends, to officially make all of the anti-x beliefs and x-phobias into fully fledged state-recognized insurance-blessed disorders.
Imagine the possibilities! The pharmaceutical industry has a huge untapped market – they could sell countless AIP (anti-identity-phobic) medications that don’t need to work any better than a placebo, and countless more medications to counteract the inevitable side effects. Sufferers who are caught saying politically incorrect things can always say that they have no insurance or that the co-pay was exorbitant.
At the very least, the free speech rights of sufferers would be at no more risk than any of the zillions of godawful depression blog authors. And just imagine how proud we’ll all be when a high-functioning phobic manages to succeed despite his or her condition! The days when a brief outburst of phobia could wreck your career will be looked at as the dark ages. Because it’s not hate, it’s sickness – and what kind of monstrous society stigmatizes and punishes its sick?
So keep the online quizzes coming. I was surprised to learn that I was an anti-Semite, but then again I was surprised to find out that I was suffering from postpartum depression and would have been Cinderella if I was a Disney character. I think there’s a pill for that?
No such things exists at all. American Jews are (and were) propagators of various Slavic cultures as translators, commentators, literary & music critics etc. “Anti-Slavism” doesn’t exist, it is a fantasy similar to wild imagination of Slovak founders of pan-Slavism in early 19th C (Kollar, Šafarik etc.)
In Israel, it is all about Arabs, and what to do with them if it comes to the final countdown:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwgJIyTunCk
Israelis: What will you do when there are more Arabs than Jews?
I think a certain degree of conflict over territory among neighbors, esp.
back in the 17th century when the borders were rather vague, was
inevitable. After all, we haven’t advanced much beyond the level of
smart chimps – we’re tribal, territorial, and status-seeking – rather
primitive at this stage of our spiritual evolution. Individuals can
transcend this but masses of people are still guided primarily by
primitive passions. Science and technology are used to a large extent
in the service of war. As Clausewitz said, “War is the father of invention.”
The issue isn’t “blame”; the issue is identifying Jewish influence, hypocrisy and double standards.
The evidence convincingly establishes that each of these exists, so I really don’t know what you’re blathering on about.
A distant descendant of a Jew living in Ukraine (under the rule of Poland). “Polish
ancestry” very controversial.
She Kovalevskaya after marriage, her maiden name was Korvin-Krukovskaya (supposedly of Hungarian origin)
Can someone please – please – inform Bardon Kaldian that a smattering of youtube videos doesn’t amount to proof of anything?
Not really interested in getting into an argument with you as I don’t consider you rational on the subject of Jews, but…
A highly subjective value judgement.
The consensus of cultured and refined Europeans has disagreed with you, and generally found Jewish culture significantly less appealing and fascinating than Asian culture, or Sufism, etc. The attraction of Buddhism to cultured Europeans, and Asian culture in general, has been so much greater than Judaism – which has generally attracted negative commentary among the European cultural elite – as to render your comment surreallly out of touch with reality. The same holds true for Sufism.
Still, I don’t doubt your subjective preferences, unusual as they are. Jewish literature excels in generating an intense emotional state I would describe as “passionate aggressive egotism” , very much including the Kabala– it is indeed supreme in this. And if that is your personal taste, you will find all other literature “pale and dry”. Jewish literature also specializes in the ” negative ” emotions – hate, vengeance, fury – to a degree perhaps not found anywhere else. All this is very “intense”, which is why Nietzsche – the apostle of ego – loved the OT more than any other book.
If this is what one likes, Buddhism will indeed seem “pale and dry”!
But if it one prefers a delicate and fragile sense of beauty, metaphysical depth, poetic lyricism, a sense of the vastness of the non-human cosmos beyond time and history, and a vision of things beyond animal passion, one will likely find Jewish literature peculiarly childish and unsatisfying.
But it is a question of taste.
A n exaggeration that again, can only strike one as utterly surreal.
But if one understands your emotional attachment to ego, such a bizarre statement is at least comprehensible, even if one can only smile.
But again – to each his own. I don’t begrudge you your tastes.
I gave many examples of Jewish antislavism in a recent post.
All you need is to look at the New York Times and see almost
comical levels of russophobia.
My sources tell me otherwise but it doesn’t matter.
I have little interest in boosting my ego by counting
famous people of related ancestry. I know science too
well to have a high regard for it (even though I’m
a university professor in a technical field). Science is
too materialistic for me, and therefore misses the big
picture when it comes to the deep nature of reality.
In the first case, you may be mistaking cause and effect. Think about it: let’s say Arab Christians controlled the media, the educational system and our foreign policy. Do you think these protestant types would be so in love with Zionism if they were constantly (only!) hearing the other side of the story? Of course not! And up until the Six Day War, I assure you that attitudes towards Zionism and Jewry among the Evangelical types were a good bit different. But many took that war to be a ‘sign from God,’ and they began to see ‘tiny Israel’ as an embattled but heroic force struggling against the forces of Mordor. In short, they began (incorrectly) to see Israel as in a position analogous, and quite misguidedly imagined that an alliance with the Zionists was possible and would be beneficial for them. The Rapture movement only came along about ten years later as a consequence. Hal Lindsay’s Late Great Planet Earth wasn’t written until the 70s.
Secondly, if your goal is to wake them up to reality, attacking and defaming the Christians as ‘stupid,’ etc., is totally counterproductive. Attacking and defaming Christians, after all, is really about all our media, courts and educational system ever do anymore. They’re just going to resent you and regard you as ‘one of them.’ A better bet would be to show them that the element they’re so desperate to help is, at best, completely indifferent to their interests–when not altogether hostile to them. For all their differences, they are natural allies of ours, since they are being victimized by the same forces.
Oh come on! Even if it doesn’t get every last little thing it wants, the Zio-lobby definitely has numerous achievements to boast of: Iraq and Libya come to mind immediately. What have the Christians got to show for their decades of block-walking and envelope-stuffing? Really nothing. And (other than their own little churches) which major sectors and institutions do they actually control in this country? And if you say, ‘the Republican Party,’ then the next logical question is, then why doesn’t the Republican Party ever do anything they want? Even when–as under Bush–they control all three branches of government at once? The Zionists, on the other hand, run the show no matter which party is nominally in office.
If you’ve ever dealt with any of these people face to face, you’ll see that most of them are actually rather decent, well-meaning (if naïve) individuals. As weird and nutty as their theology may be, they are not consciously doing evil. They are being deceived and mislead; they are not, as a rule, conscious of the fact that they are doing the country harm. I will always regard those who are consciously doing evil as being more morally culpable than those who are being deceived and manipulated.
Don’t get me wrong: I’m not uncritical of their theology and all. I’m just hoping we can turn them–at least some of them and make them into allies. To be sure, some do turn up here from time to time, so maybe there’s hope.
https://bieganski-the-blog.blogspot.com/2018/02/bieganski-brute-polak-stereotype.html
No, you don’t know because you just repeat distilled antisemitic stereotypes. You don’t know:
European & American history, culture, tradition, economy, morals & manners
the same about the “world”
You’re just clueless. Nothing can be done about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo
A very good read as usual and it appears I’m an anti semite too even though I’m not
https://medium.com/@sethjfrantzman/dispute-over-polish-law-feeds-anti-polish-hysteria-in-israel-and-online-b29bb796596c
EDIT: I’ve met many Jews who were wonderful people and who were, indeed, far from being anti-Slavic (or anti-Polish) and whom I would be proud to call my friends, were they wanting that. However, I have also met one Jews who could be described as fanatically anti-Polish. I must say that in fact I should remember more those many who were wonderful people and I should not even remember that one idiot. Unfortunately, human emotions do not work like that.
That’s a bit hysterical even by your (bog) standards. That’s unusual for someone who claims the degree of disinterest that you do.
In that comment I said no more than Karlin himself already concluded. So by calling me hopelessly clueless on the basis of that comment, you are by extension calling Karlin himself hopelessly clueless.
This is from Wiki Historical Jewish populations: “In the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132-135 AD 580,000 Jews were slain, according to Cassius Dio (lxix. 14). According to Theodor Mommsen, in the first century C.E. there were no fewer than 1,000,000 Jews in Egypt, in a total of 8,000,000 inhabitants; of these 200,000 lived in Alexandria, whose total population was 500,000. Adolf Harnack (Ausbreitung des Christentums, Leipzig, 1902) reckons that there were 1,000,000 Jews in Syria (which included Lebanon) and the areas east of the Euphrates at the time of Nero in 60’s AD, and 700,000 in Judea, and he allows for an additional 1,500,000 in other places, thus estimating that there were in the first century 4,200,000 Jews in the world. Jacobs remarks that this estimate is probably excessive.”
Wiki is not the best source for certain things, but I will use it now. Josephus had a reason to describe the Jewish war as the biggest war ever, which it was not. He was taken to the family of Flavius and he wrote to glority Vespasian and Titus. Titus glorified himself with the arch. His brother Domitian deified Titus. Philo of Alexandria come up with 1 million Jews in Egypt, but it is almost certainly an overestimate. It was customary to overestimate in those times.
With 200,000 in Alexandria and Jews basically all in cities (the settlement in the Elephantine island was no more. Close to Cairo had been the Land of Onias, but small), there were more likely 250,000-300,000 Jews in Egypt.
Harnack above allows 1.5 million to places which do not exist (Rome had some 7000 Jews), and included Babylonian Jews to the Syrian 1 million.
How many were in Syria, Anatolia, Greece? St, Paul and John the Apocalypsist explain well what the character of Jewish communities was, they talk of small congregations in cities, they were similar to Christians as to Jews. Apocalypse mentions 7 cities in Anatolia. Paul mentions congregations in Anatolia and Greece. Jews lived in cities, they did not cultivate land outside of Judea. So, a few cities, some like Damascos rather large. Cypros had Jews. Say, 300,000.
Harnack’s calculation from 1902 can be downgraded as follows. In Egypt not 1/8 of total population as Philo said, but 1/10 in smaller cities and 1/3-1/4 in Alexandria, so 250,000-300,000. In Judea 700,000 is within the range. If in the Bar Kochba revolt 580,000 were slain, then there were some 700,000, as by that time I think Romans were pissed of and killed all Jews they caught, young or old. In Syria, Anatolia some 300,000. Very little in the West or Western Africa. Elsewhere is outside Roma and East. In Roma 1.3 million.
Never mind the figures. Be them as you want them, only it ain’t necessarily true.
The full spectrum of Jewish haggadah and hasbara at display: From inertial who has never heard about Jewish lobby and Iraq war connection Dimitry who found Israel unnaturally tolerant, via Tyron 2 who says that ethnic networking does not happen and who never heard Jews telling disparaging jokes about goys and Bardon Kaldian who brought the 0-th commandment : Do not blame Jews! straight from the Mt. Sinai.
Polish Lithuanian commonwealth had division and bad leadership in some segments.
You had the Ukrainians uprising, Swedish invasion, Russians getting stronger.
Overstretched, some lunatics in “nobles”.
Nonetheless it also had some good sides, did well in several fights, and was a power for some time.
“Individuals can transcend this
but masses of people …..”
You haven’t read what I wrote. 1. I was talking about Western esotericism. 2. I was not talking about East or South Asian cultures as such. 3. I said that Kabbalah remained the fountainhead of imaginal Western esotericism, which can easily be seen by number of publications on other high Western traditions (Hermetism, alchemy,..). Jewish Kabbalah was incorporated into European esoteric tradition (from Knorr von Rosenroth & John Dee to Aleister Crowley), while other Western schools did not. Sufism, which is only marginally Western, was of no importance in formation of European esoteric traditions (after all, Sufism is, conceptually, nothing more than Neo-Platonism in Islamic garb); Indian, Chinese and Tibetan traditions have become more present in Western societies first in the interwar period among later Theosophists, and then, widely, during & after Counter culture of the 60s. Needless to say, they are not Western.
I doubt you know what are you talking about. These are different cultural currents, and among old high cultures, philosophy & religious literature are doubtlessly the richest among the Hellenes, in comparison to which all Judaic, Indian & Chinese writings seem pubescent.
Vast corpus including Homer, Empedocles, Athenian tragedians, Plato, Epictetus, Plotinus,… dwarfs Hebrew Bible, Chinese classics & Daoist scriptures, plus Vedas, Patanjali, Upanishads & Mahabharata. Succinctly, Chinese & Indian written corpora are small fry when put against Plato & Homer, something like Chinese & Indian music set against Bach & Beethoven. It was only after Europeans had assimilated Levantine corpus that main Hebrew literature became European imaginal center, with stories about Adam, Eve, Cain, Ruth, David, Solomon etc. replacing those about Zeus, Achilles, Heracles, Odysseus, .. And Christianity had integrated high Greek & high Hebrew literature, with inter-testamental Hebrew scriptures (Enoch, Abraham’s apocalypse,..) serving as intermediaries; they, in themselves, were Judaic refurbishing of Zoroastrian ideology (World savior, Satan as the Evil One, angels, Heaven & Hell, final judgement of souls after cosmic conflagration etc.)
If you want to learn something about it, I would recommend:
Garth Fowden on Hermetism
Henry Corbin on Sufism
Hans Jonas on Christian Gnosticism
Many authors, especially Sara Rappe on Neo-Platonism
Moshe Idel on Kabbalah
David Gordon White on Indian Tantricism & yoga
Mircea Eliade on everything, especially shamanism, alchemy, Tantricism & yoga
If one knows European visual arts from, say, 1300. to 1800., he knows this is not an exaggeration.
I’m not sure whether you are aware of uncertainty of what you’re writing about. You constantly try to lower all figures that would undermine your position that there were not much Jews during that era. I’ll repeat:
wikipedia tells us this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population_comparisons#Ancient_and_medieval_times
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thus estimating that there were in the first century 4,200,000 Jews in the world. Jacobs remarks that this estimate is probably excessive.
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By the early 13th century, the world Jewish population had fallen to 2 million from a peak at 8 million during the 1st century possibly half this number, with only 250,000 of the 2 million living in Christian lands.
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So it is safe to say that Jews numbered in millions during AD. How many, and arguments up or down- it all remains speculative.
Well, that’s not what you said, and you did compare kabala to eastern imaginative traditions, but let it stand…
You are mixing subjective value judgements with assessments of influence….
1) Kabala was a far less central strain in Western esoterism than the vast body of Hermetic and Neo- Platonic work. It’s high noon of popularity was at the start of the Renaissance when Europeans were eagerly searching for literally anything new, but it gradually declined to where in the 19th century it played an extremely minor role. At the same time, Hermetic writings only grew in popularity.
However, even at the dawn of the Renaissance the Hermetic corpus was far more central – if memory serves, the Medicis, gripped by a sense of urgency and the importance of the task, made a major effort to have a full translation of the corpus hermeticus brought out at their expense. And I believe, prominent esotericists in Europe actually planned on basing a new religion on it.
After an initial period of fascination that was part of a wider interest in esotetic writings, interest in kabala dwindled rapidly, a fate not suffered by hermeticusm, while interest in other forms of esotericism grew to include Asian and Islamic traditions.
2) As for subjective value judgements, after a brief period of fascination, Western esotericists – as well as mainstream culture – became far more enamored of Eastern and Islamic traditions as well as gnostic and Hermetic writings, to the point where no one bothers with kabala today, but tons of people are interested in taoism, Buddhism, sufism, etc.
3) Your personal preferences – highly subjective. To me kabala seems like a cheap rip off of Gnosticism with the addition of Jewish racism (of course.) It’s just Gnosticism + “non jews have no soul”.
4) You really like the Greeks – I get it. I like them to, in a qualified way. I think they are childish compared to the Indians and Chinese, and are most impressive when they come close to them (neo-Platonics, hellenistic writers, some pre-socratics).
No use thundering from the Mountain – different strokes for different folks.
Someone who thinks Hebrew literature is paradigmatic will quite simply not like Asian literature. They exist on opposite poles of the spectrum for reasons I outlined.
5) As for the imaginal influence of Hebrew myth and literature, the Genesis myth, Cain and Abel, eve, etc – I admit they have been important.
What’s more, I would even say that Hebrew myth and literature provided Europeans with their great ego based alternative to Christianity when they decided they wanted to become more aggressive and materialistic.
Christianity was a poor vehicle for aggressive impulses, although a truly heroic effort was made to turn it into one – but a Christianity reoriented towards the ego based myths of the Hebrew bible admirably served the needs of the time.
6) As for painting themes, would Michaelangelo David be substantially different if it was based on some figure from Greek myth?
C’mon.
7) Finally – you included the Talmud as something that has managed to fire the imaginations of Europeans and as a paradigmatic piece of imaginative literature.
All I can say is – ???????
Perhaps nothing better exemplies your wacky and strange attempt to make Jewish contribution to European imaginative life central rather than peripheral and ambivalent.
8) Finally, modern Jewish culture has been regarded by the cultural elite of Europe as singularly lacking in imaginative power and in fact deeply repellent, almost unanimously.
One of the most gushed over Rabbis in Los Angeles is an ethnic Chinese lesbian who brings the lesbian Rebbitzen to all the weddings and vulgar Bar Mitzvahs.
A contigent of anti gun Los Angeles Rabbis flew to Florida to sit shiva for the kids killed in the school massacre, defend the sheriffs who did nothing, and advocate for more gun control.
They are no worse than the Christian clergy critters though. They’re all too busy with gun control and other liberal causes. A Communist Pope lesbian Chinese Rabbis, words fail.
But half of Jews in Israel don’t really have white skin. A lot of them are tanned or brown skinned, especially in the periphery. But at the same time, there are plenty of whiter people there, which is how they end up with the high skin cancer rates. It’s just very multi-racial people.
It’s not really that different than if you made a country especially for Catholics. You would end up with people from various different countries and cultures, some brown skinned, some white skinned.
Jewish intellectual mafia [JIM] discovered the expected new [moral//intellectual//cultural] steps white tra$$hes should aspire, take them from the lazy white hands and started to make it work exclusively for them.
They changed white moral deficits into their strenghts but as they are too exhibionists and narcissistics they are destroying their own game as expected to the parasitic behavior, killing the host.
Jewish intellectual mafia use goy moral stupidity against themselves, something their elites already did since always, since the beginning of civilization.
Albert Michelson: Speed of Light experiment
It was the Russian delegation to the United Nations that introduced the resolution to recognize Israel as a nation in 1948. The Russians lobbied ( bribed) for it as heavily as American and European Jews did.
Sure, not just him, there had been great Jewish experimental scientists & inventors in all areas of physics, chemistry, medicine, technology,…
Just look at Israeli technology:
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/top-10-israeli-inventions-need-aware/
https://www.israel21c.org/israels-top-45-greatest-inventions-of-all-time-2/
http://www.aish.com/jw/id/Israels-Top-45-Inventions.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g-eyo6v5UE
Says the Jew.
In every nationality, you have a mix of good and bad people, and of people with a wide spectrum of views. But in Israel the latter divergence is a lot wider than in traditional countries, as they are largely immigrants, and not from a single origin, race or culture (even the Muslim Arabs there have quite a lot of variety).
In political views, you can look at the view divergence with Russian-speakers – there are pro-Kremlin nationalists, anti-Kremlin ones, pro-Ukraine, anti-Ukraine – every kind of viewpoint in-between is common there. There are people who support Bandera and wave the UPA flag.
In racial terms, there is also the widest differences between ethnicities (white, brown, black people).
And there are the widest differences between life-styles – there are areas where immodestly dressed women will be shouted at and dodge stones (whether by Muslims or Ultra-Orthodox – haredim, that live in the 18th century). And then other areas where women are walking around in bikinis along the streets.
So most of the generalizations I read make sense than even for the average country. When people generalize about Russia, they are usually wrong. But the generalizations about diverse/immigrant nationalities are even more disproven.
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I posted about the topic – but in Israel are found some of the purest Kremlinbots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlCCoNkwfQ
But equally people (idiots) unashamedly holding the UPA flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT0KUgjPSNE
And you’re just typical Jewish hasbara.
There was a Warsaw school
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_School_(mathematics)
Lvov School
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D1%8C%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0
Krakov school
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak%C3%B3w_School_of_Mathematics
Yeah, but in Colombia, Venezuela, Chile…you got “color consciousness” (not a “color line”) & “lighter” Catholics are not very enthusiastic about crossing to the other end of color spectrum (for instance, Garcia Marquez’s biography illustrates this).
Israeli Jews, whiter ones, seem to be attracted, not wary about their more “tanned” coreligionists. Although, it all is very mixed now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm2h5P7LPgE
Arab Jews/Mizrahi Israelis: If you were Ashkenazi (European Jews), would your life be easier?
On the other hand, some situations are definitely weird..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvOaaxEeWok
Israelis: Would you have sex with an uncircumcised guy?
Well that you should clue you in to who and what Bardon is.
It was conscription that drove the Jews from Russia.
Until the 1860s Russian Jews had some separate privileges and disabilities. Disabilities were being forbidden by law to engage in some occupations. Privilege was exemption from the draft and some taxes.
The draft in Russia wasn’t for 2 or 3 years. It was for 25 years, all a man’s Young adult years. Jews have always been reluctant to fight for the countries in which they live.
So when Russian Jews were granted full civil rights in the 19th century that meant accepting civil responsibilities like the draft and paying taxes.
Most of the Jews I have known claim that gr gr grandpa left Russia or Russian Poland to avoid the draft. Making Jews as well as the goyim cattle eligible for the draft is considered an example of Russian anti semitism
Wow. What an argument. No, I am not a Jew & don’t have any family relations to them.
California might replace Senator Feinstein with Kevin Leon or another Hispanic next election. Boxer replaced by a bi racial who identifies as black and Feinstein replaced by a Hispanic is progress . Several Jewish S California Jewish Congress critters have been replaced by their beloved Hispanics and a Chinese recently.
They got what they wanted non Whites in office. But they forgot they are White too.
Their little brown Hispanic brothers have turned on the Jews.
The cantonists were not a normal draft. They took a small quota of small children out of the communities each year, and then essentially institutionized them (most were converted out of the religion and never returned). This was only during the first half of the 19th century.
During the Great Patriotic War, they were drafted in a normal way and proportion in the army was just equal to population figures.
There’s a class divide in Israel. The Middle Eastern Jews are generally more working class and live in poorer areas. Similarly with Russian-speakers, who are forming a kind of lower-middle class, and much more common in the periphery cities. But as you write, there is a lot of mixing between the races. And it’s hardly conforming to the idea of a ‘racist’ society in this sense.
For example, there is a large Ethiopian population there. When you see groups of friends walking around in Israel, there’s often one black person mixed with a group of non-blacks. With my superficial travelling in America, I have different impression (more often in America it is groups of blacks together).
What’s-a-matter with Italy only 10% have anti baloney sentiments. Well I’m American so I’m proud, I’m in the top 10%, lol!
ROTFLMAO..!!!….its been a long time since I saw this kind of Jewish Israeli hasbara.
It use to be standard for Jewish trolls to roll out all the genius Jewis inventions….the cell phone, the cherry tomatoes, the computer chips…claiming if not for them no one would have computers..LOL
They are of course 99% untrue. Its totally boring to me to have to bust your bubble since I have done it so many times in the past.
BUT…..I’ll just use a few of your claims from all your jewish links:
Claim: Isral invented the electric grid
Fact: Scottish inventor Robert Anderson invents the first crude electric carriage powered by non-rechargeable primary cells. American Thomas Davenport is credited with building the first practical electric vehicle — a small locomotive.
Telsa and GM actually produced the first modern electric cars, the “grid’ was not a grid, it was the ideal to build stations along highways that would be able to repower the cars by some transmission.
But opps…guess what , it went bankrupt. Electric Car Company Better Place Bankrupt, Burns Nearly $1 Billion
https://singularityhub.com/…/electric-car-company-better-place-bankrupt-burns-nearl…
Jun 9, 2013 – [Source: Better Place] Electric cars just took a major detour, at least in Israel. Behind the company Better Place, the country had been Europe’s foremost champion for electric cars, vowing to replace all gasoline-run cars with electric ones over the next few years.
Claim: Israel invented irrigation
Fact: In the 1930s, the peach growers in southern parts of the state of Victoria, Australia devised a system of irrigation with 5-cm galvanized iron piping laid along a line of trees.
Modern drip irrigation began its development in Germany in 1860 when researchers began experimenting with subsurface irrigation using clay pipe to create combination irrigation and drainage systems.[2] Research was later expanded in the 1920s to include the application of perforated pipe systems.[3] The usage of plastic to hold and distribute water in drip irrigation was later developed in Australia by Hannis Thill.
Goyal, Megh (2012). Management of drip/trickle or micro irrigation. Oakville, CA: Apple Academic Press. p. 104. ISBN 978-1926895123.
Irrigation, 5th Edition, Muhammad Irfan Khan Yousafzai, Claude H. Pair, editor, published by the Irrigation Association, 1983
Claim: Israel invented the Disk-on-Key
Fact: Patent controversy -Pua Khein-Seng from Malaysia is considered to be the “Father of Pen Drive”. He is notable for incorporating the world’s first single chip USB flash controller. Pua hails from Sekinchan, Selangor, Malaysia. Pua founded Phison Electronics based in Taiwan with four other partners and is believed to have produced the world’s first USB flash drive with system-on-chip technology.[9][10]
Trek 2000 International Limited is a Singaporean technology company that is listed on the Singapore Exchange (SGX:TREK). The company is the inventor of the ubiquitous ThumbDrive,[1] a Universal Serial Bus (USB) data storage device, which revolutionised the way digital data is stored and transferred
Trek Technology and IBM began selling the first USB flash drives commercially in 2000. Trek Technology sold a model under the brand name “ThumbDrive”, and IBM later marketed the first such drives in North America with its product named the “DiskOnKey”, which was developed and manufactured by the Israeli company M-Systems.[21] IBM’s USB flash drive became available on December 15, 2000
Competing claims have been made by Singaporean company Trek Technology and Chinese company Netac Technology,[11] Both Trek Technology and Netac Technology have attempted to enforce their patent claims. Trek won a Singaporean suit,[12][13] but a court in the United Kingdom revoked one of Trek’s UK patents.[14] While Netac Technology has brought lawsuits against PNY Technologies,[15] Lenovo,[16] aigo,[17] Sony,[18][19][20] and Taiwan’s Acer and Tai Guen Enterprise Co.
Jews are not inventors, Jews are commerializers…what they are good at is taking inventions and mass marketing them. They were always merchants and money men….still are today.
Light, friendly and almost invisible but very effective. However, for top positions it’s probably more open and aggressive (e.g. Treasury or the Supreme Court).
Yea, you are. No one, not even philosemites go so far overboard in proclaiming Jewish achievement and genius or uses all Jewish sites as back up for his claims except Jews and the occasional old testment whacko.
https://www.jweekly.com/2017/11/30/upcoming-oakland-book-talk-epic-fail-israeli-electric-car-startup/
At upcoming Oakland book talk, the epic fail of an Israeli electric car startup
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And it’s the same question asked two decades later in “Totaled,” Brian Blum’s new book chronicling the rise and fall of project Better Place, an electric car startup in Israel — and formally based in Palo Alto — that filed for bankruptcy in 2013. The subtitle of the book is “The Billion-Dollar Crash of the Startup that Took on Big Auto, Big Oil and the World.”
Blum, who will be speaking about his book at Temple Sinai in Oakland on Tuesday, Dec. 5, points out that it was Better Place — not Tesla, not GM — that developed the world’s first affordable all-electric car.
“The plan was to use Israel to prove electric cars could work everywhere,” he says. “There was even a multi-county plan to bring battery-switchable electric cars to the Bay Area, running up and down Highway 101.”
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In other words-Israel did invent the electric grid (pre-history doesn’t count). Just, this invention flunked, as did your agitprop.
As for other claims, one will suffice:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive
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Patent controversy
USB flash drives were invented at M-Systems, an Israeli company, in a US patent filed in April 5, 1999 by Amir Ban, Dov Moran and Oron Ogdan, all M-Systems employees at the time.[7] The product was announced by the company in September 2000, and was first sold by IBM in 8MB capacity starting December 15, 2000.[8]
Pua Khein-Seng from Malaysia is considered by many to be the “Father of Pen Drive”. He is notable for incorporating the world’s first single chip USB flash controller. Pua hails from Sekinchan, Selangor, Malaysia. Pua founded Phison Electronics based in Taiwan with four other partners and is believed to have produced the world’s first USB flash drive with system-on-chip technology.[9][10]
Competing claims have been made by Singaporean company Trek Technology and Chinese company Netac Technology,[11] Both Trek Technology and Netac Technology have attempted to enforce their patent claims. Trek won a Singaporean suit,[12][13] but a court in the United Kingdom revoked one of Trek’s UK patents.[14] While Netac Technology has brought lawsuits against PNY Technologies,[15] Lenovo,[16] aigo,[17] Sony,[18][19][20] and Taiwan’s Acer and Tai Guen Enterprise Co,[20] most companies that manufacture USB flash drives do not license Trek and Netac’s patents.
So again- Israel did invent USB stick & Malaysian & Chinese companies lagged, which is seen from legal proceedings afterwards.
What about other stuff, for instance those related to computer sciences?
These are Turing award recipients:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_Award
Among them are 3-4 Israelis:
Amir Pnueli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Pnueli
Adi Shamir
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Shamir
Judea Pearl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_Pearl
Shafi Goldwasser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafi_Goldwasser
No Japanese, no French, no Russian, no …
Your hatred toward everything Jewish & Israeli has made Stevie Wonder a far sighted hawk eye in comparison.
I don’t know if Bardon is Jewish or not, but he does have a very bizarre obsession extolling Jews that I have never seen in anyone not Jewish.
I have honestly never heard anyone not Jewish extol Jewish military accomplishments with regard to the Romans. It’s the kind of weird overreach that I’d expect from overly enthusiastic Jewish friends that would make you smile.
The general consensus is that Jews were military non entities who benefited from surprise and initial Roman disorganization.
However, it fits in with an observed tendency among some over patriotic Jews to claim Jews excelled in all areas and in fact, didn’t you lnow, Aristotle and Plato got their ideas from Jews, and Isaac Newton had Jewish blood – unless, of course, he was not very important and far eclipsed by Von Neumann – I actually had a Jewish friend say this to me seriously 🙂
And apparently, according to Bardon, the Talmud is at the center of European imaginative life and far eclipses Buddhism, Taoism, and the like 🙂
It is possible Bardon is simply a non Jew infatuated with Jews – I have met one or two of those. It often cones down to whether you admire typical Jewish traits and the generally Jewish elitist approach to the world.
That being said, when he’s not being absurd and ridiculous and thundering from the mountain and laying down the law and making categorical declarations and declaring everyone who disagrees with him ignorant and uneducated and OBVIOUSLY not worth speaking to and OBVIOUSLY just irrational and an antisemite – not that there’s anything wrong with that – he does manage to trot out some interesting little historical tidbits and perspectives.
He just needs to be taken with a heavy, heavy grain if salt.
The ever-churning Israeli mind has brought us drip irrigation, the cherry tomato, the electric car grid, the Disk-on-Key and much more.
They forgot the Jaffa orange.
Clueless.
Hermetism’s influence was overwhelmed by the Kabbalah. In fact, there is no pure Hermetism existent because it lacks diagrams, magic keys & similar things. Apart from Pico & Bruno, all Western operative esoteric tradition was hermetic Kabbalistic- without concepts of Tree of Life, sephirot, Adam Kadmon, reincarnation/gilgul (a non-Hermetic idea)- no functional esoteric tradition existed.
John Dee was a Kabbalist; so were Guillaume Postel & other luminaries and polymaths until 19th C Hermetic revival in Golden Dawn of MacGregor Mathers & his followers (Crowley, Regardie,..).
What was non-Kabbalistic Hermetism existed briefly during the Renaissance, but after that period, only operative Hermetism was Christian/Hermetic Kabbalah, whether high or low. No Kabbalah, no esoteric practice.
Neo-Platonism was a philosophy & not under consideration: I was writing about Western esoteric tradition.
Are you able to read what had been written, without projecting your stream of thoughts?
I was not writing about New Agers, who are mish-mash of anything & everything, nor was I saying that Talmud had any influence on broader Western imagology (except when they had been busy burning it). Talmud was, along with Hebrew Bible & inter-testamental Jewish literature a part of monumental written literary corpus that supersedes other Western non-Greek, ie. Roman literature (traditional literature, not modern). Talmud is 6.5 million words & ca. 15,000 pages in English translation, therefore a whole literature, not just a book.
Yet, it is not Talmud, a monument of learning, but inter-testamental literature (Enoch 1,2, 3.. & others) which had had enormous influence on Western mind & imagology, because it contains crucial elements of western spiritual culture, from visionary ascension to Heaven, transfiguration of Enoch into God (Metatron or lesser Yahweh) & dated astronomy depicted in fantasy-visionary way.
Without it, New Testament apocalypse would not had been written; neither would Gregorian & Cistercite visions of afterlife, and nor would Dante’s “Divine Comedy”.
So much for influence you don’t understand.
As for Indian & Chinese eso traditions, they’ve become popular in the West only during 20th C (and, rudimentary, in 19th C as an impact on Schopenhauer). Until countercultural 1960s, they were absent from Western tradition, both high & low. Nobody knew or cared about them.
In past few decades they’re just a part of insipid Western spiritual supermarket (as is anything else). While Shakespeare, Dante, Tolstoy, Montaigne, Michelangelo, Leonardo, Bach, Mozart, Handel, Dostoevsky, Voltaire, Goethe, Hegel, Mann, Joyce, Faulkner, Freud, Nietzsche, Proust, Kafka, Broch, ..are unimaginable without Hebrew Bible, their works don’t have any connection whatsoever to Islamic, Chinese or Indian spiritual cultures.
Who thinks otherwise should have his head examined.
There’s certainly much more evidence for Mohamed than the Moses caricature.
That Barbara Spectre is Jewish and extremely influential in bringing more and more never to assimilate violent Muslims to Sweden.
Anti-Philosemite
Counter-Semitism.
Counter is so much nicer than Anti, No?
I suppose thats possible also.
Or maybe he’s this Bardon Kaldian , a Croatian who hates Muslims because of the Serbs and also hates Russia ….so he’s thrown his lot in with the Jews which is why he claims Jews weren’t part of the Bolsheviks and extolls their munificence….lol.
Bardon Kaldian • 3 years ago
I don’t care about Tesla. It was, IMO, one big mistake of the owner of this, otherwise excellent site, to put him on Croatia’s page. Tesla was an American inventor of Serbian origin & we Croats don’t have national or cultural connection with him
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/serbia-and-croatia-seek-calm-tensions-over-flag-burning
Bardon Kaldian J.P. • 6 years ago
Absolute nonsense. I wrote about it before, and just a brief overview.
1. Serbs’ main enemy are we, Croats, and we are Catholics (mostly).
https://www.amren.com/news/2012/05/former-serbian-ultranationalist-known-as-the-undertaker-wins-countrys-presidency/
Bardon Kaldian Oldcorporal • 6 years ago
Hahhah… you’re naive. But, since I’m a Croat & fought in a war against Serbs, my objectivity could be questioned. Suffice to say that most of Le Gaulois comment is true.
As for Bosnian Muslim crimes- we, Croats, have been the at the receiving end of more Muslim crimes than Serbs:
Bolsheviks (by Bardon)
http://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2018/02/13/bolshevik-jews
Is this you Kaldian?
Dude, you’re nuts 🙂 There’s something up with you, but I don’t know what.
Pray, tell me how Montaigne is unimaginable without the Hebrew Bible – I’ve read every word Montaigne has written, he’s one of my heros, and I don’t think he mentions the Hebrew Bible once. He was steeped in the Greeks and Romans.
And Tolstoy? He was deeply influenced by Buddhism and Taoism…
Thesee writers entire life philosophy is deeply opposed to that found in the Hebrew Bible…
And Shakespeare?
But I cannot go on, you have defeated me – the vastness of your remark has defeated me, it’s sheer cosmic erroneousjess has crushed me and left me a lifeless, sobbing, husk.
You are bold, I will give you that Bardon 🙂
Well, that tour de force of zany wackiness was impressive in its own way and has left me in a good mood – so thank you.
But about only 11 years after those comments about Armstrong and his music, Swedish Marxist Myrdahl published “ An American Dilemma “
a book critical of White Americans attitude towards blacks.
Myrdahl knew nothing about American blacks. The book was probably written by operatives employed by the American communist front Carnegie Foundation.
Even if the book was written by American communists, why was a Swedish communist chosen to be the author? As soon as the war ended, Sweden inserted itself as some kind of holier than thou compromise between Russia and the United States.
Swedes have an almost Asian cobformity.
Except the Poles actually died.
Pre history doesn’t count? Gee….whiz.
Well I guess that’s the best you can do…for a guy who uses wiki for everything and list books but isn’t able to quote from them.
John Dee was a con man and fraud and kabala is a silly superstitious fraud as well
How dare you put the Dr fraud who set back the treatment of mental illness 100 years in with the rest?
His every word was a lie. His brand of therapy was useless. Not one patient who ever went any form of fraudian treatment has ever been cured.
His brand of non therapists are not even allowed to testify in American courts as they have been proven to be “no more expert in diagnosing mental illness than the average person” and cannot be considered experts in mental health.
Dr Fraud was one of the biggest and long lasting con jobs in history.
Yes! Yes!…Bardon is a hero of epic proportions. He has read 10,000 books, he knows everything about everything ….. about Judaism, Jews, Muslims, Russia, Britain, Europe, South America , Africa …the whole world!…….and what everyone in them is and thinks!
He was the General Patton of Croatia….warring by day and collecting book list by night…quit a guy!
Bardon Kaldian • 6 years ago
I was in a Croatian Army howitzer
unit & saw huge columns of cars, trucks, tractors buses …fleeing
to Srb & later via Bosnia & Herzegovina border to Banja Luka.
There is a dispute around how many Serbs fled before us- perhaps,
100,000-150,000, nobody knows.
https://www.amren.com/news/2012/05/former-serbian-ultranationalist-known-as-the-undertaker-wins-countrys-presidency/
All the Jews I’ve known claim that the 25 year draft was standard in the 19th century and that it was why their gr gr grandparents left in the late 19th century.
Their ancestors were all gone to America by 1900. They do complain that the draftees had to practice Christianity. Non kosher food, physical proximity to the goyim, Christian symbols, physical work, outdoor living and fighting just aren’t Jewish so they left Russia
That’s the Jewish tale of why they were forced to leave Russia, to avoid the draft which has always been a Jewish thing except in WW2 to fight the Germans.
They also claim that the evil draft commissioners picked on Jews especially just to be mean.
He was steeped in Plutarchus, some Latin translations of Plato, Cicero and Bible, both New Testament & Old. New Testament is, as such, suffused with direct quotes from the Old Testament, as any serious biblical concordance can show.
Tolstoy learned Hebrew so he could read OT in the original & frequently tried to enhance his litetary standing with his measuring stick for literary achievement, Homer’s “Iliad” & Old Testament. Buddhism didn’t play any significant part in his life, even after religious crisis, and Daoism even less. He was on some superficial level influenced by Confucianism & the Bahais.
Shakespeare modeled his “King Lear” along re-configuration of Biblical king Solomon, sometimes illustrating his career by saying from “Ecclesiastes” (vanity etc.); it is established by philological analysis that he’d read the entire Geneva Bible, which provided him with thematic & metaphorical influences. For instance, Iago is the embodiment of Satan, true precursor of Milton’s Satan & Shakespeare also writes following Biblical representation of man as the unity of growing self, intellect, imagination & emotions- something which is absent both from Athenian dramatists & followers like Goethe who does not present his Faust as a unified human being, but a field of warring disparate forces without central unifying self.
You’re simply clueless, that’s what I said.
And, oh, I’m pleased to say I passed.
I got 10 out of 11
– 90+percent.
Number 8, of course is fantasy.
Well, thank you for that. You are certainly a very interesting fellow.
I, for one, look forward to reading your future comments.
Thank you for the point you make. You imply (and I agree) that Christian Zionism is a far bigger issue than Jewish Zionism, both in number and in influence. If there were not such a large Christian Zionist movement in America, Jewish Zionism would a be relatively trivial issue in American politics.
The failure to honesty discuss the JQ goes to show that the new god is Jewish holiness.
The three holies: Jews, blacks, and homos.
Today’s schools are little more than PC Madrasas.
We like to make fun of stupid Islamic religious education, but we don’t have liberal and critical education in the West. Instead, kids are instilled with the absolute need to worship certain key Icons of Jewish holiness, black holiness, and homo holiness.
Total BS. Jews treat their minorities absolutely horribly. You do know that Jews sterilized Ethiopian Jews right?
“a fair number of athiest states ”
I assume you mean the very athiest ones out there. Like some were athi, then some were athier and some were athiest, right?
Except that Tarkovsky’s films were never given wide release (except perhaps for his first, “Ivan’s Childhood”). People weren’t “forced” into seeing them, they specifically sought them out. This is especially true of Solaris (seen 10.5 million times at just 5 cinemas).
Yes, it is true that they were particularly loved by the Soviet intelligentsia which later supported the processes that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union and, as a result, caused their own cultural suicide.
I think that it is this which may explain why Tarkovsky’s films are no longer liked as much in Russia – they were particularly liked by a formerly influential cultural group which “self-destructed” and is now very much out of fashion.
And still: “diversity of habit and thought are a good thing to experience, lest we forget that there is more than one way to live, and think about, our lives”.
For the same reason, it is also healthy to read good books written in former eras, when people thought differently, in ways that are currently taboo.
Goodness knows not all of us are perfectly “in tune” with the modern pop culture, and may find something useful in other ways of seeing things.
His posting history shows that he is far less obsessed with Jews than are some of his interlocutors.
I agree but only wish to point out that the “refugee crisis” is not transforming European demographics. European elites (traitors) are.
AaronB,
“I have honestly never heard anyone not Jewish extol Jewish military accomplishments with regard to the Romans. It’s the kind of weird overreach that I’d expect from overly enthusiastic Jewish friends that would make you smile.”
ROFLMAO they got their asses so badly kicked by the Romans that it took them 2000 yrs to recover, it was catastrophic, but this bizarre ‘triumphalism in catastrophic defeat’ is nothing when compared to their greatest ever victory – you know the one for which they have littered monuments all across Europe and America to commemorate it – why the Holocaust where the Nazis literally ground their asses into dust! What kind of demented and shameless people would celebrate this shameful act. If the Holocaust happened to my people that would be the ‘One thing that I would want to forget’ I wouldn’t want to discuss it and I would view it as a great shame and certainly wouldn’t turn it into a 100 billion dollar macabre and grotesque freakshow of a circus. I wouldn’t flaunt my Lepers sores in public demanding money. What a revolting spectacle. You are here dealing with a people who are compulsive pathological Narcissists without any shame or decency – recall the Baron Von Munchausen upthread shamelessly bragging.
The only thing Lear and Solomon have in common is that they are both fictious characters.
They also sterilized real Mizrahi jews, especially immigrants from Iraq, Algeria, Morocco etc
The Ethiopians aren’t real jews at all. It’s a myth created by Israel and AIPAC to raise money from American Jews to “rescue” The Ethiopians
The Russian immigrants that tens of millions were raised from gullible American Jews and the American taxpayers to “rescue” from Russia don’t dare take DNA tests either.
Philogological analysis LOL. Actually, Queen Elizabeth the first, not the Earl of Oxford or Bacon wrote Shakespeare’s works. She was a man too. That’s why she never got married.
There’s a crazy theory for every play and poem Shakespeare ever wrote.
How did Satan go from telling Eve to eat an apple to telling Othello to kill his wife?
The animal breeders of the world all over are interested in your theory.
http://time.com/4655634/genetics-height-tall-short/
I took the poll and probably am registered as an anti-semit now since the only question I answered negatively was if jews were responsible for all the wars in the world, I think not all. As for the question pertaining to the supposedly higher jewish IQ, though I think IQ is pseudo-science, even though I scored over 132 on a MENSA online test, in English, which is not my native tongue, though I used to live in Paris, France and got acquainted with many jews, I haven’t met one of whom I could say, he or she has superior intelligence. But then, more than once, the jew peeping over my shoulder at exams during my studies passed and I failed. Herd intelligence they have for sure.
That said, I believe the Holocaust happened and no revisionist can convince me of the contrary since I first learnt of it before I even went to school by listening to adults conversations, all gentiles, one of them a communist resistant actually and a former nazi concentration camp prisoner. One of the first books I read was about the Holocaust and there was no Photoshop at the time. I definitely think it was a crime because I regard any form of collective punishment for the crimes of a few as a crime.
That all said, when one sees the jewish grip on world finance, on mass media, on university careers, and I’ve experienced that personally as a Serb in Paris during the 1990s, the treatment of Palestinians, the support for islamic terrorists in Syria, they sure know how to inspire resentment.
PS: My physician in Paris, who happens to be jewish and a man of great integrity and humanity, and also happened to be Nicolas Sarkozy’s physician during his term as president of France, barely survived an “accident” in London, when hit by a car at full speed on a pedestrian crossing.
Many, some, but not all, jews in Germany also refused to fight for the country they lived in.
The usual excuse is that they hated militarism.
It is remarkable to see how Israeli jews love militarism.
Now this is also a generalisation, after having served their time in the IDF quite a few Israeli jews go to India, to bring their minds at rest.
Biggest thing you missed is that Jews practice the anti-golden rule.
Meaning that Jews don’t believe in treating others as they would like to be treated themselves. Because Jews see themselves as the chosen people and non Jews as goyim, they are total hypocrites in enforcing norms on the host population while not bothering to abide by them themselves.
Also, you missed the main origin of the Jewish people. Jews are basically gypsies who had to rely on smarter IQ to survive. And instead of stealing people’s wallets, they got into grander schemes like financial and media control etc etc.
” one of them a communist resistant actually and a former nazi concentration camp prisoner. ”
The camps had self management, that consisted of who were there first, in many cases communists and socialists.
This management fed itself well, as also Elie Wiesel describes in his first book.
Elie Wiesel, ‘La Nuit’, 1958, 2007
Who was not in the management, some 75%, died after six months from under nourishment.
This management survived, Kogon is an example, he was an Austrian, imprisoned in 1938.
He left the camp in good health in 1945.
Blaming the Germans, the SS, who hardly ever entered the camps, understandable.
Eugen Kogon, ‘Der SS-Staat, Das System der deutschen Konzentrationslager’, 1974, München
Rassinier describes all this, a French socialist resistance fighter.
He was thrown out of the French socialist party.
Paul Rassinier, ´Was ist Wahrheit ?, Die Juden und das Dritte Reich´, Leoni am Starnberger See, 7th printing, 1981 (Le véritable procès Eichmann ou les vainqueurs incorrigibles, 1963; The Real Eichmann Trial or the Incorrigible Victors. ISBN: 0911038485, 1983)
Give me a break. So he is antisemitic for mentioning that Jews were gangsters a long time ago?
Stop portraying your self as some kind d of intellectual and get that shit outa here.
I doubt you give other groups such leway.
Bardon is talking like a lawyer, arguing each point and trying to win. He is not searching for the truth.
Who knows what his agenda is, but pseudointellectuals like him are tiresome. How bout some common sense instead Bardon?
Well, you are an anti-gentle. And you are clueless and nothing can be done about it. So there!
Judging by his name, I am guessing that he is Armenian and not a Jew which kind of interests me as the Jews did play a large role in the Armenian Holocost.
Yes, he is nuts. OT influence on Tolstoy literature and philosophy is zilch. Actually for what Tolstoy stood he is in total opposition to whatever ideas one can get from OT. If Tolstoy had his way in reforming Christianity he would ditch OT altogether and have it based on NT only w/o any reference to the OT.
When Jews got under the influence of Greek culture and later Roman culture it had resulted in civilizing some and those Jews who recognized superiority of Greek culture assimilated and were lost for Judaism. The ones who resisted on cultural, religious and political grounds were the true Jewish dark age obscurantists and zealots. They managed to survive as Jews by closing their minds to accomplishments of Western culture and only the movement of Haskalah in late 18 century and then the emancipation of forced emancipation by Napoleon brought them into the Western culture. BTW, Jewish emancipation plus a legal system are the only lasting Napoleon’s accomplishments in Europe. The Swiss backtracked and took away the rights form Jews once Napoleon left but few decades later gave them back. In Russia however Hassidic Jews rejected it and sided with Tsar and were appreciated by him. As the result of Napoleon’s defeat Jews in Russia were not emancipated. One may wonder what was the actual reason for Napoleon disastrous adventure in Russia. These anti-Napoleon Jews were the Lubavitchers, the same ones whom Putin elected to represent Russian Jewry (or maybe they elected Putin to represent Russia).
Under the Greek influence Jews were plagiarizing some Greek texts and plays adding to them Jewish elements and sometimes claiming that they were the originals preceding the Greek texts. Torah was not plagiarized by Greeks on the other hand. How did it go: Plagiarism the highest form of flattery?
One may also ask a question what was plagiarized when the text of Torah was put together?
I have never heard of oriental influences on Tolstoy. I think it was rather the other way around. It was Tolstoy who influenced Gandhi and Gandhi was also influenced by Blavatsky, so Gandhi’s Hinduism has some western provenance. Also Aaron David Gordon who created the Kibbutzim movement was influenced by Tolstoy. I remember that Tolstoy was impressed and probably influenced by American Shakers. They drew their central ideas from NT not OT.
It is interesting that Jews who were preoccupied with banking (numbers) and real estate (geometry) had done nothing in mathematics. Were absolutely not interested in abstraction of mathematics and generalization of ideas that naturally should come from dealing with numbers and geometric measurements. I saw one hilarious “proof” by circa 17 century rabbi from easter Poland of first there digits of pi. It was numerology and Kabbalah “proof”. This is the obscurantism I am talking about.
Now, as far as the Yiddish literature it was all imitation with hefty dose of Jewish schlock and schmaltz. They love schmaltz. They still do in though in the mainstream now, in literature and movies. People lost ability to detect it because it is a mainstream now. We got too Judaised to see it.
I’ve been to Israel and everyone I met who was my age was Ashkenazi/Mizrahi mixed. I also only met two Ethiopian Jews. There’s not many in total, but both were girls married into very religious Ashkenazi families. Your comment would be equivalent to claiming that there is juge anti-non-white racism on American college campuses. Actually worse!
And your weird, ancient, out of context link collections ain’t worth anything. It is pretty obvious when you travel there that the more melanin in an Israeli Jew’s skin, the more nationalistic for Israel they tend to be. Ashkenazis, being more European, have a tendency to be much more SJW…who’d’ve guessed?!?
jilles dykstra says:
February 27, 2018 at 8:20 am GMT • 100 Words
@Alden
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Now this is also a generalisation, after having served their time in the IDF quite a few Israeli jews go to India, to bring their minds at rest.
Israel has a very close relationship with Hindu Nationalists who are the major political force in India based on a mutual fear and loathing of Muslims. They have burst into the Indian arms market and are the third biggest supplier after Russia & US doing business worth over a billion USD a year. India’s a very important country of Israel and it is remarkable how quickly Israel got India to turn around after all just 20 – 25 yrs back they were considered a Pariah country by India on ranks with South Africa and now a very good friend.
All the Jews I’ve known claim that the 25 year draft was standard in the 19th century and that it was why their gr gr grandparents left in the late 19th century.
Here’s an interesting article from The YIVO Encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe, which does however indicate that from 1874 onwards (universal) service was for 6 years only.
http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Military_Service_in_Russia
And here is a more personal investigation of the realities of 19th century Jewish military service which you also might find of interest:
https://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ru-mil.txt
Don’t even know where you are going with your argument, but from your post history in this thread it sounds like more anecdotes. You completely avoided my point about the forced depo shots on Ethiopian women though.
Israel has a very close relationship with Hindu Nationalists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktQOLO4U5iQ
So what are you saying? Somebody wanted to kill him? Why?
Jilles Dykstra,
Can you recommend any history books on the Japanese theatre in WW2, I confess I really haven’t read any thing about this vast sphere of operations.
Actually, given my doctor’s discretion and his respect for his oath, I wonder why. Yet, when he told me how it happened. Why would a pedestrian turn his back to a car about to hit him on a zebra crossing?
That is not true. (Common garden) liberals are a much greater proportion of America than devout Christian Zionists, but they too balk at criticizing – even noticing – Jewish power and influence. And at bottom that is what Jewish power really rests on – on the taboo against so much as noticing its existence. So, no, it would not be a “relatively trivial issue” if Christian Zionists disappeared; it would remain the 800lb gorilla of American politics.
I have been acquainted with Bardon for years (from Amren/Taki). I have no reason to believe he’s not Croatian, and no reason to believe he doesn’t care about European racial and cultural interests. Although most people with these concerns tend to be aware, at some level, of the Jewish role in the problems impacting Europeans today, or at least are open to hearing out these argument, not all such people are.
An important factor that prevents some people from being more objective about the JQ is that to acknowledge its importance is to magnify the the extent of the political problem Europeans face. It makes the problem seem more imposing, less manageable; and a more manageable problem is psychologically less troubling. So for these people it’s not necessarily that they admire Jews so much; it’s more that they don’t want to believe that solutions to the problems Europeans face are going to require such a far-reaching revolution in European thought and values.
Of course, I don’t know whether this applies to Bardon or not. I am just mentioning it as a reasonable possibility.
Dmitry is speaking truthfully here. I have reviewed a great deal of Israeli social media over the years and there does indeed seem to be a tremendous amount of social mixing between the various ‘racial groups’ in Israel. So Dmitry is correct to point out that in this sense Israel does not conform to traditional European notions of a ‘racist society.’
On the other hand, while there is a considerable degree of racial diversity in Israel as measured by standards of racial homogeneity, it’s also reasonable to say that Israel does conform to a ‘racist society’ when measured against the racial diversity that exists on planet Earth. There’s nothing like the huge swaths of territory populated by teeming numbers of Subcontinentals (Indians, Pakis etc), Africans and Asiatics that populate cities in western Europe.
In fact, Israel’s degree of racial diversity is actually my personal ideal. If I could wave my magic wand and create a racially based ethnostate, I would choose Israel’s degree of racial diversity. (So I clearly can’t be considered a ‘classical nazi’ based on my racial values.)
The few uses of temporary birth control on a small number of women who were not in a position to care for potential future babies seems like a reasonable action to take. That they had ‘disparate impact’ on recent immigrants from an incredibly poor society also makes sense.
Furthermore, if this is your best example – you have no good examples at all.
Nevermind that this was decades ago.
Your argument is much more anecdotal than mine. Mine deals with anyone’s constant experience of their society. Yours is essentially an incident.
Oh, and I forgot to say congratulations to my Balkans brothers on their good sense. On the basis of this map, at least there’s one positive metric we can lead Europe in!
John Toland, ‘Gods of War’, New York 1985
It is a novel, but reasonably based on facts.
How McArthur let himself be bribed, new for me.
William L. Neumann, ‘America encounters Japan, From Perry to MacArthur’, 1963, 1965, New York
The whole period from when Perry appeared with the USA naval force in Tokyo Bay until indeed McArthur.
Arthur Swinson, ‘De val van Singapore’, Antwerpen 1976 ( Defeat in Malaya, 1969)
How invincible Singapore fell to Japanese on bicycles trough the jungle.
Mark R. Peattie, ‘Nan’yõ, The Rise and Fall of the Japanese in Micronesia, 1885 – 1945’, Honolulu, 1988, 1992
Horrible descriptions of mass suicides.
Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970
Not flattering for the USA ‘my boys do not take prisoners’.
Yukichi Fukuzawa, ‘De poorten gaan open’, 1978 Amsterdam (The Autobiography of Fukuzawa Yukichi, Tokyo 1934, 1899)
Excellent book on how Japanese understood that in order to stay independent they had to adopt western technology; and needed raw materials, not available in Japan.
Suppose enough for the time being, if you’re interested in how the ‘war criminal’ emperor, with danger to his own life, ended the war, I must find the title.
But the book is very interesting, I was of the opinion that the two atomic bombs on Japan were nonsense, had to change my opinion.
But this is the last book to be read, cannot be understood without prior knowledge.
In the fairy tale of the Armenian genocide:
Henry Morgenthau, ‘Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, New York, 1918
Heath W. Lowry, ‘The story behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, Istanbul 1990
‘The Armenians in the Late Ottoman Period’, edited Türkkaya Atatöv, Ankara, 2002.
Howard M. Sachar, ‘The emergence of the Middle East 1914-1924’, New York, 1969
Jilles Dykstara,
Thank you much appreciated, so many books to read and so less time advice from someone as erudite as you is a must.
Actually no, the war against Serbia too was in great part the work of the jewish lobby. Krauthammer, Friedman, Kristol & the rest of jewish neocons, the late William Safire, in the USA, Bernard-Henry Levy, Kouchner in France, quite a cohort of zionists, isn’t it? For how many Albanians? It doesn’t all come down to Israel, a lot is about the khazarian hatred for Russia.
To put it simply, you sound like those nutters who claim there is such a thing as campus rape culture. It squares with no-one’s experience but they insist and insist based on ludicrously misrepresented statistics and a few incidents.
How many Americans have ever heard of it? Why do you suppose this is? How many Americans do you suppose would have heard about it if it were America or some European country doing it to black immigrants? Why do you suppose this is?
Also, I really have to give credit to AK for having changed his mind on this. When I first encountered his work a few years ago, he came across to me as – I’m going to speak very freely here, because it’s about the past – a silly little philosemitic mental faggot who was unable to break free from the mental prison of viewing “nazis” and “racists” as bigger threats to his interests than Jewish influence.
Aaaaronboy = hasbara
I think that’s an excellent hypothesis and contains a great deal of truth, and explains many people s attitudes towards this issue.
I feel the pull of that myself. A world in which the JQ is real is a darker and scarier world, a more irrational and primitive and atavistic world – also a world that isn’t organized according to rational principles, and “merit” isn’t rewarded, and Enlightenment ideals and reason itself aren’t the “killer apps” we fondly tell ourselves, but as much liabilities as they are assets – it’s also a world where genuine values clash rather than harmonize, and painful compromises are necessar y.
In short, it’s not a world favourable to any kind of “idealism”.
People who care about high culture and are sympathetic to enlightenment ideals and the myth of reason have a very, very hard time grappling with the JQ. I used to be that way myself.
LOL – South Korea!!!
Exactly! Tolstoy was so opposed in spirit to the bloodthirstiness and aggression of the OT that it’s a real travesty to claim he was seriously influenced by it. He did list Genesis as one book that influenced him greatly – it’s the book that contains the myth of the Fall, which is a rare departure from the fatuous Hebrew optimism and materialism. Schopenhauer, who despised Judaism, also appreciated genesis for that reason.
Perhaps it’s the only good thing in the OT, along with some of the prophets.
You are right, I probably overstated the case for Tolstoy being influenced by Buddhism and Taoism. He did list Buddhist works, Taoist works, and even Confucius as among the books that influenced him most, but only later in life, and Ghandi was influenced by Tolstoy rather than the other way around.
More a case of strong affinities and cross fertilization than formative I fluences, it seems to me.
Otherwise your comment contains may illuminating remarks. Thanks.
And yes, I have often marveled at how Jews failed to develop any interest in abstract mathematics until very late despite being steeped in numbers through commercial activity. But again it’s a question of values – If your values are materialistic and pragmatic, the larger significance of numbers will hold no interest for you.
“Number mysticism” in Judaism – gematria – is exasperatingly childish, and generally used to “prove” that Jews are superior in some way or will triumph in some way. I had to listen to this dreck as a child.
As I mentioned on another thread, Jews specialized in “social technique” – an utterly pragmatic and utilitarian activity that leaves no room for the imagination or metaphysical values.
Very true about shmalz – Jewish culture is steeped in it, although I’m not quite sure why. Perhaps it’s the obverse side of a pragmatic and utilitarian culture, in that in the emotional realm as in the spiritual and intellectual, one remains superficial.
The lesson of Judaism is that there is a tremendous amount of power in what we may think of as “low” values, for lack of a more precise term, and that “idealism” can be a fatal handicap if allowed to influence too much. It’s proper place is in the spiritual life.
Goethe said there is no use complaining about base motives and values – they are what rule the majority of mankind.
We must accept this whole somehow retaining idealism in its proper sphere.
That’s right Daniel, for humans, “No scientific method in existence could control for even physiognomy let alone behavioural characteristic differences.” across three generations, morally or practically; three generations would be the minimum required complete control of environmental factors to even start to get data on actual controlled gene expression, and you still don’t touch behavioural attributes.
The suggestion that some kind of random group, a haphazard collections of Y-chromosome X mDNA variants has some kind of average intelligence differential is FAKE NEWS!
Only the ignorant, troll, and/or shill would publish such a ridiculous view.
How’s the negev at this time of the year?
If one takes the fundamental discrimination against all out-groups out of the Torah-Talmud adherent, one is left with someone who is no longer a true Torah-Talmud adherent!
Santoculto says:
February 27, 2018 at 1:56 pm GMT
@Grahamsno(G64)
Aaaaronboy = hasbara
Santaculto,
Absolutely not!! AaronB is nothing like that, he’s one of the most spiritual posters here erudite and wise – he’s always complained about this world where ruthless money grubbing bastards don’t leave the rest of us alone – so don’t ever condemn this man. About the Holocaust, I get it that most people assume that it happened and most people don’t talk about it out of a sense of decency – but these revisionists bastards stomp over holy ground and ask where are the corpses? I’m one of these indecent bastards who read the standard narrative since 2001 or 03 and I read the opposing point ” Heretical revisionists” for 2 months and was totally and utterly shocked at the lack of evidence!! Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence and there was nothing even closely approximating it! Flabbergasted that this Alien Abduction story didn’t have anything closely approximating the evidence to prove this Hasbara tale.
AaronB is one of this rare site’s agnostically spiritual persons – never ever call him ‘Hasbara.’
He is many things, but he is not hasbara.
You’re not worth the time engaging. But you really should reevaluate how the scientific method words; by your “standards”, no science could be accomplished at all because there’s no way to control for everything.
But we have pretty damn good aggregate statistics. At this rate, as Ron Unz mentions, we’re soon on the cusp of denying height differences between men and women.
Aaron, thanks for reminding of all this. God knows I myself had a thousand complexes to work through before I could process the cold, objective reality of the issue. For me, all that took place about a decade ago (not a particularly long time, I guess), and it was quite unnerving to reject the verities I’d grown up with. For some reason I forget all that and I opine on the JQ as though such psychological hang-ups don’t exist for other people. I sneer at people too slow on the uptake as though they were weak-minded simpletons, rather than people attempting to balance their understanding of the world with their own hopes and fears for it. I suppose that’s because nowadays I don’t find the subject ‘scary’ at all. It’s real and it’s there and it’s not going away, but beyond that it’s not particularly different to any other political obstacle. It’s good to remember that not all participants in a given political discussion will be at that level of awareness/development.
Daniel Chieh says:
February 27, 2018 at 4:02 pm GMT
@Grahamsno(G64)
He is many things, but he is not hasbara.
Indeed, he’s not that, isn’t it wonderful that all kinds of Nationalists can post here White, Jewish, African, Muslim, Chinese, Hindu, Russian….. This is the ultimate free speech zone!! You won’t find any other Zone like this. You could also oppose that and be a one world government and you won’t be blocked!!
It is not Israel’s fault that Europe is importing a welfare underclass, as well, I am sure, many good people.
You are absolutely right.
I was raised among Jews, and even when I was very pro-Jewish I always recoiled at the way the holocaust was made into such a big deal. Its exactly the kind of thing I wanted to forget, as you say. It made me uncomfortable and I felt creeped out by it. I hated the way it was sentimentalized, as utu says, pure shmalz that seemed indecent and shameless. I also felt ashamed of it, and thought that it isn’t something a proud Israeli would want to focus on. That it’s such a big deal in Israel today is a bad sign, and shows the creeping influence of diaspora Jewry.
My attitude was a source of tension with my father. In retrospect, it showed that for some mysterious reason, I had somehow failed to become assimilated into the Jewish mentality. Heaven knows why I failed to become acculturated.
Had I been, I would have immediately understood the uses of the holocaust, and the uses of victomology.
Interestingly, Jewish culture is both pragmatic and sentimental. I don’t fully understand it except as a result of the “downward” focus of Jewish culture – as utilitarianism is intellectual and spiritual mediocrity, indulging in sentimentality is emotional incontinence. Both seem to rest on a lack of “higher” perspectives.
As I write this, it’s becoming clearer…
A calm dispassion comes naturally from a higher perspective, where you see the larger picture of the world and the true place of our petty human concerns in the context of a cosmic vastness, and are lifted above petty ego concerns. Being overly sentimental comes from being unable to see above petty ego concerns, and utilitarianism likewise derives from petty ego concerns with no larger version.
So indeed the two are two sides of the same coin.
A utilitarian culture would naturally be sentimental as well, as both attitudes spring from the same source.
Thanks for helping me clarify my thoughts!
Presumably with enough “trans” fantasists in the mix the difference will be substantially reduced.
Just another example of how the arc of history bends towards justice I suppose.
Very good point. I also need to remember that and be more sympathetic to the way hopes and fears and optimism can get in the way of really grappling with dark realities.
Israel also gets counted as an only semi-Western country so it is held to only semi-Western standards. Saudi deported a million people in a weekend – ever hear about that? Dubai is a slave economy…
Re the ADL’s definitions of anti-Semitism, the reporting of their latest victimhood claiming press release about the ongoing holocaust includes a rather different definition of that ever so useful term:
According to the ADL, anti-Semitism is “the belief or behavior hostile towards Jews just because they are Jewish.”
Re that ongoing holocaust by the way, the Guardian notes that the ADL have managed to rationalise including the hate hoaxes in the numbers. The argument is that the hate hoaxes scare (((real people))) just as much as the real incidents do.
So no need to investigate all those highly suspect “swastika drawing” and “graveyard vandalising” incidents, after all.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/27/antisemitism-us-rises-anti-defamation-league
That is dodging, rather than answering, the questions I put to you. Try again.
Israel markets itself to westerners as “the only democracy in the Middle East,” and is accepted by westerners as such. The main reason it is held to lower standards than western countries is because westerners are denied knowledge of what goes on there.
If westerners were better informed – as readers of this site typically are – they would not be so quick to judge Israel a liberal democracy just like their own. A democracy it might be, but a Jewish democracy rather than a liberal democracy, which is a very different animal – and a moral blight on the planet.
Excellent point. I’ve mentioned before on previous occasions that I’m actually not worried about native European demographic replacement. Native-stock Europeans will indeed survive (they are survivors; through plague, massive wars, etc.)…but they won’t necessarily be the Europeans that we have become accustomed to.
Peace.
So assumptions about it make sense, right? I mean, if they are going to market themselves like that, they need to at least attempt to fit certain norms.
Nobody holds Saudis and Gulf monarchies to any standards because they are despotic regimes – everyone knows this – they go around calling themselves king this and king that. We kind of expect them to do crazy crap once in a while…that way we can look and say; oh yeah, those guys…that’s why we’re not…
You’re nuts. There’s nothing anti-democratic in those actions. Merely anti-SJW. Nor are they major, nor recent even. What arebyou going to do next? Criticise Israel for not having exactly 50% women parliamentarians in the 80s?
Jews “in Russia” were against Napoleon because they were afraid of return of the power of poles. Catherine the Great at the partition of Poland was carried out the emancipation of the Jews (because of the protests of Orthodox merchants – not the full emancipation) and the Jews in that period were patriots of Russia.
Jewish religious literature, including not only Hebrew Bible & the Talmud,
Jewish religious literature has produced the torture of Palestinian children – the bombing of defenseless Gaza – million person prisons.
If you have the courage to believe what you see, and want to know the glory of the Jew – just see inferior evil Israel. Its contempt for accepted moral values is staggering.
The Old Testament and Talmud are filthy with hate for humanity. Their antiquated picture of god is cruel, mean, and unforgiving.
Their only social contribution to humanity is Marxism. Has there ever been a more disastrous system of thought ever? Billions of people have lived their entire lives never knowing freedom because of the Jew Marx.
No – if you want to know the Jews, just look at the Israeli hate machine. And look at the misleading mendacious lies of this hasbara Jew.
Think Peace — Art
So they hold all Muslim countries to exceptionally low standards because all Muslim countries only hit exceptionally low standards?
The real issue beneath the question of this article:
Since the seminal, defining characteristic of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud collective adherents (aka: ‘jew’, ‘jewish’, ‘judaic’) is exceptionalism from humanity, thus inherent discrimination against all out-group peoples, is it really possible for individuals adherents, or the leadership of the Torah-Pharisees-Talmud collective to legitimately claim discrimination against they?!
Agencies like the ADL (yet another antonym used by the collective) should correctly recognized for their activities, which are blatant defamation against people who just want a level playing field and equality for all.
What arebyou going to do next? Criticise Israel for not having exactly 50% women parliamentarians in the 80s?
No, we are going to criticize Israel for its immorality.
Apartheid walls, torture, summery killings, jailing without trail, million-person prisons, endless wars with its neighbors.
The glue that holds the Jews together is hate. From little children to old people – everyone is a hater in Israel. Hate generates more hate. 7,000,000,000 people voted against Israel in the UN. The pendulum of hate is now swinging against Israel. “You reap what you sow” – Jesus.
Think Peace — Art
You’re nuts. Those actions would never be allowed to pass in western democracies. If they were attempted, we’d never hear the end of it from the media.
In the last century it is Jews who financed wars and immoral Jew Marxism, who were responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths and billions of deprived lives.
The truth is that in the last century, it is the Muslims that were relatively peaceful.
Think Peace — Art
p.s. Poor Little Jew – he will never be free. What a fool – he revels in lies.
p.s. Listen to Jesus Little Jew – “the truth will set you free.”
Well, not all Muslim countries are the same as Gulf monarchies…but yeah – we’re retarded inbreds remember? When you have an exceptionally low bar to meet, the skyline of places like Jakarta seem literally miraculous!
You guys are the super-awesome human v2.0 with the off-the-charts IQ – remember? Should we expect you to behave like Gulf monarchies or better?
I doubt it. Like most people, you don’t want to acknowledge the race-replacement effects of racial intermixture. In fact, you quite likely don’t even understand it. If you’re like most people, your brain will shut down as soon as it is mentioned and you’ll walk away feeling morally superior to those “kooks” who are “obsessed” with the issue.
But racial existence, like all sorts of other existence, has its own stringent requirements. If those requirements are compromised, extinction results. For a race to continue to exist, it needs to breed with its own. If it breeds out, it fails to replace itself. A race can absorb intermixture only to a very limited degree. In the long run, however, the assumption must be that interbreeding will take place between all people living in a certain geographic location (such as a country). Whether the race can survive then depends entirely on the proportion of racially incompatible people in that geographic location. Today, the numbers of racial outsiders in Europe are easily great enough that, if all the peoples mixed indiscriminately (think of paints being poured into a bucket and stirred until uniform) then the end result would not be what we think of as a “European.”
Well, perhaps I’m exaggerating. Perhaps the numbers aren’t yet so great that the end result would be a non-European. But if so, it only applies to today. With continued immigration, Europeans are complete racial goners.
People like you, Talha, are nice enough in numerous sorts of ways. But when it comes to policies expressly designed to safeguard European racial existence, my experience is you resolutely refuse to even contemplate it. In fact, it would be a small miracle (though to your credit) if you’ve even managed to read this far into my post.
Let’s say that there won’t be any mass expulsions of non-Europeans. Is there any policy you might conceivably support that is designed to preserve European racial existence? Probably not, because that would first require you to understand how and why European racial existence is threatened; and if you manage that not insignificant feat, you’d then have to consider the issue morally urgent, but quite likely what would trip you up here is that the whole thing evokes feelings of racial resentment or insecurity in you, perhaps because you were at some point called a “dirty Arab” or a “Paki” or whatever you are, and it hurts to relive those feelings; the result being that rather than any desire to help Europeans arising in you, you would prefer to twist the dagger in deeper.
To grasp all this is a tall order for anyone, even as someone generally enlightened and reasonable as you, Talha. So deep down, I think it’s probably curtains for European man. Not tomorrow. Not next year. Not even in a hundred years (although his condition will be far more dire then). But eventually yes, not a single recognizable European will be left.
Well, you know what? I will miss the white man. I really will. And as a parting shot to those people who determined that hell no, under no circumstances must the white man be permitted to secure his racial existence, to them I will devoutly wish that 50 million negroids would descend on their country and interbreed with the locals and ‘celebrate diversity.’ Even though I know such ‘negrify thy neighbor’ policies will doom us all, I want them to experience what it’s like to have sit and watch in enforced silence as their kind is permanently erased from the earth, never to be seen or heard from ever again.
He has a point though – there is nothing intrinsically undemocratic about those expulsions if they express the will of the people.
I think the point you are making, and it is a solid one, the will of the people is being manipulated and interdicted with respect to these matters in the West.
Peace.
So you would prefer a state based on Jewishness, religious or ethnic with some color but without gentiles?
That sounds a little Nazish to me.
Jakarta is a mess and full of slums. Wires are everywhere, except below the pavement. Rats are just everywhere. Want to to get to a business meeting a few miles away? You better walk, if there is a pavement, as the taxi will take literally 5 hours in the traffic. The route there and back consumes the whole day.
And Jakarta is the most organised place in Indonesia. Except Ubud in Bali which is for foreign fashion designers and the like, and is a village.
Oh yeah, and they massacred a third of the East Timorese quite recently and continue to chop people’s heads off in many parts of the country for not being Muslim. Lovely!
That you used Jakarta, a shithole, as your best example is too depressing for words…
The Visegrad countries will like likely remain homogenous. Both the Czech and Slovakian Presidents said Muslims aren’t welcome in their countries. Yet they received only, by SJW standards, mild criticism.
Western Europe and the US are probably lost causes from your perspective. I just hope some semblance of nationhood can survive.
Yes, and we hear about those types of things happening in Israel sometimes. Especially if you watch the BBC. While we always hear about them in the West and never hear about them in most other places.
Exactly as my point was: Israel is semi-Western and so gets held to semi-Western standards. These are laxer than those Britain is held to but much stricter than those Pakistan is held to.
I am not justifying these double standards. The Western one is crazy! And that it only fully applies to 5% of the world is utterly bizarre. But fixating on Israel is also crazy. Especially in the way you are doing it, which is trying your hardest to justify the crazy strict Western standards that are killing the West!
Hey silvio,
I get your concerns – I truly do. And I have zero problems recognizing natural and real differences between different people. But I have no doubt in my mind that European people, native European people – not a motley mix, will survive this. They have survived stuff waaaay tougher than what you are seeing now.
Amr bin al-Aas (ra) was the Companion and commander of the armies that decimated the Byzantine garrisons and sent them packing back to Europe from all over North Africa. He had an intimate knowledge of Europeans and their qualities and had this to say about them:
“…Indeed, there are four qualities in them: they are the most judicious of people during a tribulation, they are the quickest to recover after a calamity, they are the quickest to return to battle after a retreat, and they behave well with the poor and weak. Their fifth quality is good and beautiful: they are best at preventing the oppression of their kings.” – reported in Muslim
What we are witnessing is the great die-off – the ones that don’t have their priorities straight won’t make the cut. We are actually witnessing first-hand and in real time those that really have a future-oriented mindset. The ones that figure it out not to eat the cookies now, will have plenty of cookies later. And – I cannot stress this enough – hope. Those who have an optimistic, hopeful mindset will make it through; they will be the ones that have kids because they see a future for them – it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Now to your points; I actually don’t mind if Europeans want to return to racial segregation. Their countries, their prerogative – if that’s what most Europeans want – so be it. Now if they decided to expel Muslims and non-Europeans altogether back to Asia, Africa, it would super-inconvenient for me, but hey – that’s life, God will provide for me elsewhere. People each have to decide what priorities they desire embedded in their societies and for the future.
Now, I definitely do not expect this kind of thing from Europeans who are Muslims – but that’s because we are part of a spiritual brotherhood so we have rights and obligations towards each other – but obviously, the majority of Europeans are not.
The interbreeding is actually easily resolved; it is worked through the custom of taking kafa’ah into account:
http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e1227
Basically, in the Shariah, the father (or legal male guardian) has a right to interdict the marriage of his daughter through the court system. Females can marry whoever they like if the father/guardian has no problems, but if they do have a problem, they can go to court and get the marriage annulled. The schools allow various aspects that the court can consider when passing a verdict. The father can ask for annulment based on grounds such as economic disparity, ethnic/cultural incongruity, disparity in piety, etc. This way, maybe you can’t change all of society, but those who are concerned can certainly try to get the court on their side to preserve what they want to prioritize in their future generations.
But in short; in my view, the White man is going nowhere – the One Who brought him about in the first place will make sure he endures.
Peace.
Sure, New York is full of slums.
That’s true, you know what else they did? They actually abided by UN Resolutions and stopped occupying them and they now have their own nation. Maybe Israel can learn something from them.
Hey, like I said – you can’t really expect much from us inbred retards can you? Keep your expectations with us low and you won’t be disappointed – guaranteed.
You are absolutely right, but if you see the world through the Buddhist lens of impermanence this is something to be expected and is inevitable.
The world is fundamentally impermanent.
Nthing lasts forever. Current European man is itself a mixture of hundreds of distinct people’s and tribes that went before.
Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, don’t exist as they did anymore.
Jews also changed over time.
What’s more, even without any racial mixture, genetic drift and selective marriages change the character of people over time, in complex ways we don’t understand.
The Vikings are no longer what they used to be even before immigration.
You’re right that European man will probably go the way of the Greeks, but like everything it had its glorious day in the sun, and something new will emerge to take its place.
Is that so bad?
Ashkenazi Jews are changing as well – in Israel they are forming a new race with Yemeni and Moroccan Jews, and in America they are either assimilating with whites or shrinking to a hard core religious element that will likely play a very limited tole in the world.
The great Ashkenazi Age of the past two centuries is winding down, and the European Age is as well. Already Jewish tactics ate beginning to fail and the historical window that made them possible is closing.
The forces guiding this are beyond our comprehension – you yourself note how hard it is to get Europeans to understand what’s going on.
There’s a kind of “block” caused by forces we dont understand.
Take the commenters on Karlins blog – a smart bunch, but there is something strangely anemic about them. Reiner tor, German reader, Randal – intelligent white Europeans who are even aware of the JQ yet who somehow project an image of anemic “reasonableness” that suggests no hope. Captured by the myth of “reason”, and anxious to appear “reasonable”, measured, calm, and sober – they lack the urgency, intellectual adventurousness, and passion that would be cause for hope.
Anatoly himself with his “reasonable” use of graphs and statistics and lack of interest in “obscurantism”, as he calls complexity and admission that the world contains processes we don’t understand.
How has all this happened, and how do you change it?
There may be natural processes at work here that science has not uncovered, or it may be processes we will never understand.
The idea that we can turn this around seems far fetched to me. The universe is larger than us and impermanence seems it’s basic attribute.
Who knows what will come after current European man?
European man will likely suffer s fate similar to Jews – the great majority will assimilate, and a remnant will survive as separate communities.
The Jewish notionof the “remnant” seems apposite here.
And China, and Islam? Islam is already multiracial, and China is also composed of hundreds of tribes it assimilated over centuries and will now add whites and Jews to the mix.
The “Han” is a fiction.
What persists in time are ideas and cultural forms – and European civilization will return again in the fullness of time in new and unexpected ways and places, because anything that happens is an eternal possibility in the grand cycle of rise and fall.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t fight for the perpetuatio of current European man – like all of us, you have no choice in what myths you are captured by.
I myself would support measures towards that end, I just have no hope that politics can make a difference. Politics are more like a shadow play that reflects the light of a fire it doesn’t control or seriously affect.
I’m offering an alternative view that is influenced by Buddhism and Taoism that will only appeal to you if you already half believe it.
I know, and it’s glorious isn’t it 🙂 The chaos, the markets, the sheer humanity of the place. The heat, the luxurious tropical foliage, the easy going warmth of a people not “striving”. The traffic is a bit annoying, I admit, but nothings perfect.
I’m glad to see you describe it so well – someone else who appreciates an escape from the dreary “efficiency” of modern civilization. I’m glad you’re one of us Tyrion 🙂
Saudi deported a million people in a weekend – ever hear about that?
No. Not that I doubt their willingness to do so, rather their capability. That’s 2000 jumbo jets, 600 cruise ships, 347 people a minute.
Or perhaps they drove them all into the Red Sea, which parted so they could arrive to Africa?
Honestly, when I visited Cairo and some other cities in the third world, I was also charmed by this. As well as by the animals that still seem to mix it up in the streets there. You might see a small flock of sheep cross a four lane road. Horse/mule driven carts are still common. Catches you off guard at first, but then…you get used to it.
Peace.
People are divided on that issue…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpTYdlVZzYg
Israelis: Is Israeli culture Western or Middle Eastern?
I’m offering an alternative view that is influenced by Buddhism and Taoism that will only appeal to you if you already half believe it.
The Eastern desire for harmony is not in tune with reality. Ying and Yang and an endless balance is not workable.
The organization of the universe is not preset – from one moment to the next it is changed – never to return to its past configuration. It is always evolving. Trying to attain a static Earth is impossible and undesirable.
The idealism of ever evolving progress found in Zoroastrianism and Christianity is the future of humanity.
It is either idealism or death for humanity – end of story.
Think Peace — Art
Fair point but they did deport millions and only allow immigration for the purposes of becoming a strictly third class citizen. That is better one step below second class, which is Shia class.
“ever evolving progress” – no offense, but that is the saddest thing I have ever heard. It is eternal dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness. Nothing has value in itself but only for what it one day may become. It is time-worship.
In fact, it is the modern world and it’s endless dissatisfaction.
Christianity did indeed conceive of history as a story of progress – but there was an end state, the eschaton.
I am not mocking you – yours is one solution to the very real problem of human dissatisfaction, and one with a pedigree, although it is a dream.
However, I would oppose to your vision of eternal dissatisfaction, of endlessly deferred happiness, an altogether different vision.
Granted that humanity is a cracked vessel forever dissatisfied with itself, you give up dreams of “progress” and turn away from the “merely human” to the larger mystery that surrounds us. Not human self-development but self-forgetfulness.
Satisfaction is not deferred to sone future state when we have “developed” ourselves sufficiently – it
lies in forgetting ourselves and savoring the the richness of a mysterious world that is larger than us.
It means a life of contemplation rather than action, of seeing rather than doing, of savoring and experiencing rather than striving, of silence beyond thought, of wordlessness beyond language, and a shift of focus away from our broken selves onto the larger mysterious world.
It also requires profound humility.
Of course Talha, countries that don’t maximize efficiency are exhilirating and wonderful in many ways. It’s sad so many westerners don’t get to appreciate this. The mix of animals suggests a less control and sterility – India is best for animals in the streets.
Cairo is a cool city – surprisingly French looking, I thought.
I interrupt the philosophical discussions to bring us back to reality.
https://electronicintifada.net/sites/default/files/styles/original_800w/public/2014-07/sahir_abu_namous_by_sea.jpg?itok=He_tIixB×tamp=1448949295
Sahir Abu Namous….before the jews
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLzhnQTcRr0CZgVHSon93VbwQv4nInJdE0mNQaZDrt3rZfqaMJ
Sahir Abu Namous…after the jews
Ah, I see you trolled me Tyrion. Don’t be so serious – learn to laugh at yourself a little 🙂 Too much earnestness is a sign of raw youth and lack of intelligence.
Change is the only constant, at least as humans go.
My I heartily agree – it seems that people are depressed – lost of hope – resigned to defeat.
People are being defeated by the idea that Jews are smarter. In truth, I have seen NO intellectually superior Jews on this web site. (Sam was could string words together – but to Zero gain?) The Jews on this site are more than match by the scholarship of the Gentiles. What the Jews have in great quantities is aggression. They are relentlessly on the attack.
Gentiles are superior at organization – Jews at money. Organization builds things – we thrive because of organized productivity. Great excesses of money in the hands of a few makes for servitude and bad government – PERIOD.
In the long run, it is never smart to be immoral.
The pendulum is swinging.
Think Peace — Art
“ever evolving progress” – no offense, but that is the saddest thing I have ever heard. It is eternal dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness. Nothing has value in itself but only for what it one day may become. It is time-worship.
Words words – I like the affirmative words of hope and progress — you the negative words of “eternal dissatisfaction.”
“the impossibility of happiness” – really – you are on a bummer. What is “time-worship?”
It means a life of contemplation rather than action, of seeing rather than doing, of savoring and experiencing rather than striving, of silence beyond thought, of wordlessness beyond language, and a shift of focus away from our broken selves onto the larger mysterious world.
Love is action – I want to love and be loved by my fellow humans. I am a whole 100% flesh and blood human with a brain. Using my brain, I want to make moves and take actions that make things better.
Think Peace — Art
I mostly agree with your comment, but I think European depression precedes Jews – Jews just intensify it and exploit it.
Completely agree re Jewish intelligence – not only does mean IQ show Jews producing far fewer intelligent people than whites (can’t argue with science), but it’s hard not to notice the drastic decline in intellectual quality in this country during the “Jewish century”. Even Derbyshire noticed recently, although he didn’t make the Jewish connection.
The belief that Jews are smarter promulgated by the IQist sites and bloggers serves the purpose to disarm people and make them accept the defeat. The defeat is real because Jews have more power but not because they have higher IQs. The IQists stepped in to justify Jewish power that the power was achieved fair and square as a meritocratic achievement and nothing can be done about it. The IQists are like court historians who story write justifications why the Emperor should be loved, admired and granted even more power and also to prevent people to look into other causes – like wasn’t the Emperor’s brother poisoned? – and not ever questioning the nature of power itself.
I understand, and I don’t begrudge you your values nor seek to change your mind. I was merely offering you an alternative vision which you are free to reject.
Your view is an old and common response to the human condition, and in a secular form its the basis of the modern world. I do think it may end up destroying humanity (sorry), but I don’t imagine it is a view that can ever vanish from the world. It’s a timeless possibility, and some humans will always take it.
As for being a “bummer” – that is only if you can’t imagine finding life worth living for what it is now. For myself, the idea that things will only be good in the future is a “bummer”.
But – it is a timeless division, and we are each entitled to our approach. Whatever one needs to become reconciled to life is good.
A truth that cannot be repeated often enough.
Hasbara-esq…
Exactly, well, they are astute, but their megalomania is killing their master plans or at least making this considerably more hard than they thought….
And they have a super bizarre and useless feeling to build a country in the middle of desertic midde east while they already have all western world in their foots, why**
You are also a product of Soviet educational system?
Once, we had this brother come give a talk at UCLA – way back when…he had studied with traditional healers across the world. He pointed out that human beings have, for centuries of our existence been around animals in close proximity. He took the example of a horse and how that noble animal has been such an important part of human history – and can we simply sever that relationship so thoroughly and abruptly without incurring any ramifications?
https://www.crchealth.com/types-of-therapy/what-is-equine-therapy/
I take my family down to the local horse farms around the Western suburbs here. Absolutely magnificent animals to look at, just watching them is quite therapuetic.
Yeah, it does not surprise me (though I’ve never been to France). Napoleon came through there and Muhammad Ali Pasha had employed various European advisers to help him modernize Egypt; city planning, military, etc.
Peace.
That sounds like an Israeli lawyer show!
Well, erm, thanks, I guess, but I don’t recognize myself in this description.
I was never into anti-racism. I didn’t support Nazism and still don’t (even if RationalWiki insists I have become one).
And well, I had stuff like this in 2012. Though on second thought you might have a point, this:
… was an incredibly cucked thing to write.
I also never cared for Israel vs. Palestine either now or ever.
Excellent point. It certainly helps in developing a new caste system or order along the lines of divine right of kings for the elite. Ie. they were born that way, they deserve to rule – questioning the hierarchy is unscientific.
And when you’ve been labeled “unscientific” in our age, well you might as well be a heretic in a stockade in a leper colony!
Interesting when power was attained primarily through physical might, you could have societies where the warrior class (like samurai) were at the top. Hell, you could have the Mamluks (who were slaves of the state) just take the hell over – who was going to question them?
Peace.
I feel that way about animals too. Humans need to connect with a larger non human reality if they are to stay sane (instead of focusing on building themselves up through progress), and animals are a big part of that.
There’s a wonderful book called the Peregrine by JA Baker, about his efforts to closely observe hawks in the English countryside, and see the world through their eyes almost. It’s sublime nature writing.
We have truly disconnected ourselves from nature and the animal world.
One thing I dislike about Judaism is its fear and suspicion of animals and pets, but it makes sense in a religion that posits a clean break between man and the natural world.
Etch that in stone…no gold.
Peace.
Falcons are absolutely fascinating to me. I’m absolutely awed at the art of falconry – the ability for a human to transcend the divide between him an a predatory bird to produce a mutually beneficial cooperative.
This reminds me of something Shaykh Hamza Yusuf mentioned about the Prophet’s propensity to give
a personal name to the very few objects he owned…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuhncOkZ0Tc
Peace.
Sounds good at first but it is not right and most likely not correct. Statements like this or like “what comes around or goes around” are uttered by people who want to console themselves that the injustice will be punished and better sooner than later. True consolation should come from knowledge that one was just and not from that the unjust will be punished. True morality is deontological not teleological. It is about the means not about the ends. If some ends can’t be achieved by good means then it means they are unattainable for the just.
Blue checkmark from me.
It is about the means not about the ends.
The reality is that the ends justifies the means. That’s the way it works.
Yea..and it rocks to be Episcopalian…lol.
Quarter horses are called quarter horses because they can beat a thoroughbred horse in a quarter mile race.
But the thoroughbred can beat the quarter horse in a full mile race….the quarterhorse cannot keep the pace in the full mile.
http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#asian-americans-and-jews
”Taken in combination, these trends all provide powerful evidence that over the last decade or more there has been a dramatic collapse in Jewish academic achievement, at least at the high end.
Several possible explanations for this empirical result seem reasonably plausible. Although the innate potential of a group is unlikely to drop so suddenly, achievement is a function of both ability and effort, and today’s overwhelmingly affluent Jewish students may be far less diligent in their work habits or driven in their studies than were their parents or grandparents, who lived much closer to the bracing challenges of the immigrant experience.
This conclusion is supported by the General Social Survey (GSS), an online dataset of tens of thousands of American survey responses from the last forty years which includes the Wordsum vocabulary test, a very useful IQ proxy correlating at 0.71. Converted into the corresponding IQ scores, the Wordsum-IQ of Jews is indeed quite high at 109. But Americans of English, Welsh, Scottish, Swedish, and Catholic Irish ancestry also have fairly high mean IQs of 104 or above, and their combined populations outnumber Jews by almost 15-to-1, implying that they would totally dominate the upper reaches of the white American ability distribution, even if we excluded the remaining two-thirds of all American whites, many of whose IQs are also fairly high. Furthermore, all these groups are far less highly urbanized or affluent than Jews,[67] probably indicating that their scores are still artificially depressed to some extent. We should also remember that Jewish intellectual performance tends to be quite skewed, being exceptionally strong in the verbal subcomponent, much lower in math, and completely mediocre in visuospatial ability; thus, a completely verbal-oriented test such as Wordsum would actually tend to exaggerate Jewish IQ.
Stratifying the white American population along religious lines produces similar conclusions. An analysis of the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth found that Americans raised in the Episcopal Church actually exceeded Jews in mean IQ, while several other religious categories came quite close, leading to the result that the overwhelming majority of America’s high-ability white population had a non-Jewish background.[68]
The question is surely more appropriately: “where does true consolation come from?” Where it “should” come from is a matter of opinion and faith.
As for the answer, well observation suggests to me that by and large, for most people on most occasions, it does come from the notion of punishment of injustice, whether in this life or transcendentally (I use the term in its ordinary theological sense, not as a philosophical term of art). Presumably you would argue that is not “true” consolation, but again I’d say that’s a rather questionable line to take.
Presumably then your answer to the trolley problem would be inaction?
The horse is the noblest creature ever created.
There is never any true consolation for some wrongs…..but justice is never unattainable…it is just denied to some.
No justice, no peace.
Nonsense, renfro. We live in a meritocracy, didn’t you know?
Jewish dominance is entirely explained by their higher IQs. You simply don’t understand population genetics and mean IQs.
You must really hate Jews, you creepy antisemite.
P.S – that Ron Unz quote compresses so many devastating points that it would benefit from being separated into bullet points to fully appreciate its multi-factorial destruction of the “high Jewish IQ” myth.
It should then be laminated and hung on Anatoly Karlin fridge where he will have no choice but to ponder its deep truth every time he reaches for a sip of his favourite Kefir.
I am still that way. And I am 76 years old.
Wait – you mean the trolley problem doesn’t happen in real life….?
May I disagree – human organization is job one for humanity.
When an immoral act takes place, organization is lost. The time spent being immoral, is time taken away from vital life sustaining organization building. The more organization we have around us – the better we are buffered from the vagaries of nature.
The second loss is the entropy generated in a destructive act. The greater the entropy in a system – the closer it is to death. The lifetime for an organization is aged or shortened whenever action occurs. With activity, every system ages – moral actions generate some aging – but breaking things causes a whole lot more.
These are absolutes in physics and biology. They are also true in human intellectual cultures. When we are immoral to each other we cannot organize for mutual long-term benefit.
Think Peace — Art
The trolley problem has nothing to do with justice…..it’ s about a moral dilemma.
Something interesting is that there’s actually lot of Indians living in Israel (relative to small population country they are a big population) – they are especially in the periphery towns like Ashdod and Beersheva.
These are Indian Jews – but they look as identical as Indian Hindus (with black skin).
An interesting thing is that the different nationalities there are outwardly assimilated, but they keep their national traditions in the private events. (Just as you see the Ukrainians coming ‘out of the closet’ in private, so the Indians there).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKGuAiYVd58
The endless dissatisfaction cuts both ways.
“……..a life of contemplation rather than action….”
Okay,,, who will provide your food, or assemble the computer you’re writing from ?
Obviously you can’t live without activity.
I just mean the purpose of life isnt to change the world or develop humanity (into Gods, as some religions would have it) but to experience the world and connect to a mystery larger than ourselves.
When this is your goal, you act merely to secure your life. Pleasure, poetry, and mysticism, nature, resignation, and religion, become the main things in life.
Most civilizations thought this way —Aristotle said our noblest goal was contemplation.
It is only we who dream up grand projects of human redemption in history – and it has led to misery. Still, I don’t think anyone can voluntarily relinquish this dream once it captures him.
I don’t have anything against you renfro, but I don’t know why you have to engage in silly trolling like this. All I meant is that I – personally, which in the grand scheme of things, prob doesn’t mean jack shit – tend to like a mostly white/caucasoid population mix, with generous allowances for darker types, even including a bit (a small bit) of negroid admixture. Some will be white, other darker, but there will nonetheless remain a racial ‘family resemblance.’ It’s really not a difficult point to grasp. Northern European racialists would likely have a very different (stricter, whiter) standard for their ideal society [a point which I suspect will allay some of your fears about what my purpose here is].
Other racial groups, well, I’ve never really thought deeply about them, so I’m not sure what they would choose, if they were given an opportunity to choose. Deeply mixed societies would probably find it a very difficult choice, given the enormous difficulties involved in developing an appropriate political ‘separation algorithm’. Maybe they’d just choose to say screw it, and continue on the mass multiracialism path.
East Asians would have an easier time of deciding on which people constitute racial compatibles, but from what little knowledge I’ve garnered about their prevailing value systems, they may well decide that ethnicity itself, rather than race alone, should form the bedrock genetic component of their societies.
But other groups can decide these issues without my input. I’m mostly interested in what might be achievable (and how) for my own group and, to a non-trivial degree, northern europeans, given the cooperation likely necessary to achieve either of our racial aspirations. (But maybe I’m wrong, and they/we can do it alone.)
These are all fanciful, pie in the sky, notions for now. But if at some point something happens which causes to humans, en masse, to look within racially, then who knows? Maybe a great, global racial sorting will become feasible.
A trolley problem? I had impression that you were older than that. You realize that no system is complete, i.,e., there are always undecidable problems in it. The closure of the system to its completeness will inevitable lead to internal contradictions. Trolley problem poses a difficulty for deontological ethics because simply both actions (one of them is inaction) seem to be wrong. You have to step out of the system to answer it. However utilitarians have also problems they can’t handle or rather that they can handle them too easily. This stems from the fact that all problems for utilitarians are decidable on the first principle, i.e, the outcome of the utilitarian calculus. For example the Organ Donor Problem. Utilitarians can’t find a good reason against killing a random person to save lives with harvested organs of five other persons. The utilitarian calculus shows five lives are better than one and there is no precept against killing in principle within the utilitarian system so the person should be killed. Obviously it is better to have trolley do it. So if the five people on the tracks are young a utilitarian will not throw the switch in order to have them killed to save many people with organs of the five fresh corpses on top of saved live of the one person on the tracks. Did I get the correct answer?
At some point I believed that utilitarian ethics is appropriate for state policies. But the greater good or lesser evil principle often is abused like letting Coventry to be bombed by Churchill. So, now I believe that even on institutional level deontological approach should be used and utilitarians might be called in as the last resort to solve intractable problems like the trolley problem.
Did you also just argue that because something is an opinion it is enough to be dismissed?
I don’t know, Aaron. Imo, all contemplation and no development makes Jack a dull boy.
But if that works for you, great!
As I see it, humans have since time immemorial worked to improve some aspect of their condition – their homes, their cities, their bodies, their minds, their spirituality etc. So for me the ‘purpose of life’ really is to change the world and to develop humanity.
Say I somehow come back 10,000 years from now. If all I see is people living much as they do today, I’m not gonna lie, I would be profoundly disappointed. No amount of assurances that people have attained some kind of ‘nirvana’ would assuage me.
But if I came back and found that humankind had advanced as much from today as humankind had advanced from 10,000 years ago to today, words can’t describe the exhilaration I would feel (especially if eugenics, at some point, had been thrown into the mix).
This is a perspective that helps imbue my own existence with a sense meaning and purpose. Others might find it completely underwhelming. So be it. As an existentialist, I believe we all have to find our own way to answers that satisfy us in this regard, so I don’t mind at all if some people disagree with me vehemently – indeed, I’d be stunned if they didn’t.
That’s a good reference to the Trolley Problem.
Which comes back to the question of community. The base unit is the family, but how much further out are you willing to sacrifice for?
The SJW answer is “For everyone, everywhere” as seen in their anthem – John Lennon’s “Imagine”
The world’s one great family, with universal brotherhood and no borders – so your family is irrelevant when you’re Saving the World.
At the other extreme is an atomized individual who will do nothing for anyone – even other family members.
Reality seems to lie somewhere in between – depending how far the mutually beneficial bonds of trust and reciprocity can be extended. If they’re going to be extended beyond immediate family and friends, then this implies some sort of agreed definition of community. However, once the boundaries of trust and reciprocity have been found – the rule seems to be “Good Fences make Good Neighbours”.
I have no fears about you or what your purpose is or anything against you ….my question was perfectly legitimate as to your idea of a “ideal mixed society.’……why you would consider a state that discriminates on basis of religion or ethnicity ideal .
I don’t know ,perhaps you are Jewish and live in Israel and appreciate little color as long as its all Jewish….if not I still find your preference of Israel to be strange.
I understand – and I don’t have any objections 🙂
Your perspective is that of most people in the modern world, and some religious sects, but beyond that it’s a line that runs across all religions and secular systems.
The starting point for all humanity is – we are deeply unsatisfying to ourselves as we are.
From there, we branch off – is the solution to human inadequacy a process of development (teleology)? Or do we accept our inadequacy as final, and find value by turning towards the larger mystery?
Can we gain value through a process of development? Will any amount of progress give us what we seek? Can we “redeem” ourselves through a process?
Or are we merely enacting the myth of Sisyphus?
Or are we perfect as part of a larger whole, and to realize this, we must forget our “selves” rather than “build” ourselves up? Step off the Sisyphean treadmll?
But I believe your prespective is eternal and has it’s rights and should be acomodated. My ideal “realistic” society is one where both our “types” can be acommodated – monks and scientists, mystics and world builders.
I have noticed that today you agree with everybody.
Jews in Israel have a mean IQ of 95, even dumber than Brits at 100, which is saying something. But in the US, Jewish IQ is above average — about on the same level as an Episcopalian, though not as much above the average as he used to be, according to Ron Unz’s review of the data, which I cannot for the moment lay my finger on.
Someone may say that America’s Jews are better than Israel’s Jews because they’re all Ashkenazis.
Maybe. But we know Jews are better off than most Americans. Same with Episcopalians, who are the third most prosperous religious group in America, after Jews and Hindus. And we also know that there is a large environmental component to IQ, namely the Flynn Effect. So in the absence of other evidence, it seems reasonable to assume that Jews and Episcopalians have higher IQ’s than most or all other groups in America because they have higher incomes, reflecting better education and a different cultural milieu to that of most Americans.
So Jews may be smarter, but that may be because smartness as defined by culture, money-making skills, etc. engenders smartness as measured by an IQ test. In that case, Jewish intellectual superiority is simply evidence that social advantage, once gained, can persist over the generations.
To what America’s Jews, Hindu’s etc. owe their initial advantage in America is open to question. A widespread suspicion among non-Jews is that Jews, by networking and favoring members of the tribe, get ahead “unfairly.” This would be difficult to demonstrate conclusively. However, it is a hypothesis widely believed if only because Jewish morality appears to promote within-tribal favoritism, while treating outsiders as of no moral worth.
Jews might have better PR if they were to apologize for the Talmud, at least the bit about Jesus being confined to vat of boiling semen (if that’s not made up), and acknowledge that all people are people, not cattle, and children moreover, of the same God.
But then that would be giving up, wouldn’t it. So it seems to me that Jews must always live in tension with their neighbors if they live among non-Jews, and they must face periodic pogroms and expulsions, unless that is, they go, voluntarily, to live in Israel where they can be as self-servingly nationalistic as they like.
When you put it this way by connecting the II Law of Thermodynamics to illuminate the meaning of
I am ready to agree with it. I thought that your statement was an expression of a veiled hope for the misfortunes that will fall on those who are immoral.
But I would not take the linking of morality to system’s entropy literally whatever the system is and however you define the entropy of the system. As a metaphor it is fine but one can’t work with it. If (1) animal A eats animal B does the entropy increase or decreases? There is no morality involved. But when (2) human A does this to human B then you would say that entropy must have increased because immoral act was committed. Ten if in (1) and (2) we are dealing qualitatively with same entropy then in (1) entropy must have increased as well. The if we substitute animal A in (1) with human A form (2) which also is an animal we have just proven that we all should go vegetarian. Is that what you want?
Well – there’s a lot of wisdom being thrown around! Can’t help myself…
Peace.
What the hell are you talking about? I’m not Jewish and I wouldn’t want any Jews in any racial state I had a say in putting together. Some might get in, and I wouldn’t go to any extravagant lengths to test people for it – close enough is good enough would be my racial logic – so some Jewish genes might get tossed into the mix, but big deal.
Israel itself isn’t my “preference.” I was referring to a racial mix that approximates the degree of racial difference that exists in Israel. Of course, southern – especially southeastern – Europe contains numerous people who could, at a pinch, pass as Jews of one kind or another, so my ideal state would not only approximate Israel’s degree of racial difference, but would in fact contain plenty of people who’d ball park look like somewhat like Israelis. (Is this what bothers you? Are you going to keep needling me now?)
Unless I’m missing a more sophisticated point, I don’t think it would be that difficult even for a sole individual to do both. Now, realistically, even though this is probably true, most people will gravitate quite hard towards one pole or the other. I think a given social order should be able to handle that.
Those who gravitate towards teleology can take solace knowing that even if all their best laid plans go haywire, they can draw upon the spiritual reserves built up by the mystics. Conversely, whenever mystics get bored they could amuse themselves with the momentary delight of savoring the fruits of the teleologists’ efforts. (And they can all live happily ever after.)
I know I’m being flippant. At some level, I guess that’s because mine is a let’s just keep kicking the can down the road and see where it take us philosophy. It’s pretty thin gruel, you might say. But what can I tell you? I just don’t mind.
I suppose there will come a moment (maybe more than one) when I’m urgently forced to contemplate my mortality, and I suppose it’s then that I’ll anxiously reach back into the recesses of my mind and at grab at whatever mystical reed I can reach. Depending on the nature of the emergency, this wouldn’t have to do very much. If I’m fated to survive the episode, I just need it to get me over the hump of those few moments of dread; and afterwards I can reseal it for storage. If I’m fated to perish, well, then it really doesn’t matter how well it performs for me.
Haven’t kept tabs on your agreements, but there’s also plenty of ugly shit being slung. Karlin brings out his own brand of weirds.
Today there was major retribution on our Artoglu, very personal executions: a traitorous older man, his scheming daughter, and a particularly aggressive Crusader, all had their throats cut, not by an anonymous masked executioner, but face to face by the wronged parties. Everyone stood around looking very grim. It didn’t make them happy, but they wanted that justice.
About a week ago, I went to Landrum Bolling’s memorial service. One of the eulogizers related that Landrum referred to himself as a “Quasi Quaker” because, late in his life, he’d come to believe that there was sometimes a place for violence. Perhaps this reminiscence was meant as a joke recalled, but I think it was deadly serious.
In the long run the Rockefellers do quite well
You can read about the position of the Jews in the war of 1812 in the memoirs of the participants. For example in the memoirs of Denis Davydov
“Он не преминул также уведомить меня о духе польских жителей города, весьма для нас противном. Нельзя было быть иначе: город Гродна ближе всех больших литовских городов граничил с Варшавским герцогством и потому более всех заключал в себе противников нашему оружию: связи родства и дружбы, способность в сношениях с обывателями левого берега Немана и с Варшавою, с сим горнилом козней, вражды и ненависти к России, — все увлекало польских жителей сего города на все нам вредное. Напротив того, все вообще евреи, обитавшие в Польше, были к нам столь преданы, что, при всей алчности к наживе и корыстолюбию, они во все время отказывались от лазутчества противу нас и всегда и всюду давали нам неоднократные и важнейшие известия о неприятеле.
Надо было наказать первых и погладить последних. Девятого числа я вступил в город со всею партиею моею. У въезда оного ожидал меня весь кагал еврейский. Желая изъявить евреям благодарность мою за приверженность их к русским, я выслушал речь главного из них без улыбки, сказал ему несколько благосклонных слов и, увлеченный веселым расположением духа, не мог отказать себе в удовольствии, чтобы не сыграть фарсу на манер милого балагура и друга моего Кульнева: я въехал в Гродну под жидовским балдахином...Исступленная от радости толпа евреев с визгами и непрерывными ура! провожала меня до площади. Между ними ни одного поляка не было видно, не от твердости духа и не от национальной гордости, ибо к вечеру они все пали к ногам моим, а от совершенного неведения о событиях того времени “
I hope you always pack your emotional support hamster, Talha. And I hope even more that the airlines allow you to carry him on. I don’t want to know ‘how many lives’ they are willing to sacrifice by prohibiting you. ‘Perhaps not now but in 50 or 100 or 500 years’.
What, justice has nothing to do with morality now?
The point was merely that imo there are some situations in life in which justice is not achievable for all parties. To put it in the vernacular: you can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
It was merely a convenient shorthand for the situation that occurred to me in response to your assertion that: “if some ends can’t be achieved by good means then it means they are unattainable for the just”.
Trolley problem situations are problematic for those who contest the argument that the end can justify the means. But all they do in this sense is boil more complex real life situations down to a pithy core.
Well your answer was the (not unreasonable) evasive one that you would have to “step out of the system” to answer the question, after which you conceded that basically you would choose between rule-based and consequentialist ethics according to the situation.
Which seems rather flexible in the light of your original assertion, but reflects how ordinary decent people actually do deal with the world, I think.
No, but in some areas (morality is one) the answers depend so directly on one’s basic premises, which are invariably faith-based, that opinions are of limited value.
I have a cat, he doesn’t handle being around small animals well – he hasn’t learned to share space.
Awwww – you called me a potential terrorist in an oblique way, isn’t that special?
Hey, tell you what, since you brought that discussion here, why don’t you answer my original question; if you guys demand to annex Jerusalem in violation of international and refuse to share sovereignty with Muslims – how many lives is it worth to you to assert your position when we come to take it in 10, 50, 500 years. Maybe you can call the army that marches on it a bunch of terrorists to guilt trip them, that’ll probably work…oh wait, we low-IQ guys probably wouldn’t understand things at that abstract of a level. Hell, we might bring some horses!
Or you could learn to share…
Hey RobinG,
I haven’t gotten that far in the series yet, but I remember Ertugrul executing someone else earlier.
Yeah – totally agree; there is a right time for violence and a wrong time. Sometimes, abstaining from violence leads to worse consequences such as the inability to protect further victims from being violated, definitely a complex topic…
Peace.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
Not Swedish, just an American Jew, married to a Rabbi, now living in Sweden and working towards the destruction of social cohesion.
That the Swedish government is funding her institute is a sad joke but not surprising, after all.
I don’t want to keep control of Jerusalem. I don’t have any control over Jerusalem. I just recognise that if Muslims had half-way sensible priorities then Jerusalem would not be one of them. And maybe they do have half-way sensible priorities now – see the non-reaction to Trump’s embassy decision. Muslims went much more mental when Trump said he’d not allow them to create more colonies in the US. You guys even killed multiple people over a few cartoons in a Danish newspaper. Muslims clearly covet America and Denmark even more than you guys do Jerusalem.
Not that coveting any of those places is acceptable. Why not just make your 55 countries great first?
As for me supposedly calling you a terorist, I just repeated your repeated words back at you as a semi-joking criticism. Still, it is amazing to me how keen you are to fit negative stereotypes of people of your faith.
Excellent! Then we don’t have a problem.
We don’t see a reason why we can’t multi-task on multiple priorities.
You guys shot up a bunch of worshiping Muslims at the Tomb of the Patriarchs. But yeah – as I have stated before, we need to get our extremism problem under control – causing serious issues.
Not really.
Work in progress, but they won’t be “great” according to you – not that we care.
Not any more than you are of yours. Besides, we talk very reasonably to people who are reasonable – those that want to take our rights by force, well, there is another language they understand. But since you say you don’t want Israel to take over Jerusalem by force, we don’t have a problem here! 🙂
Hey jiles,
Depends on your definition of “long run” – we believe in a Day of Judgement, so in that context; no, no they don’t.
“So how will it be when We assemble them for a Day about which there is no doubt? And each soul will be compensated [in full for] what it earned, and they will not be wronged.” (3:25)
I was speaking in those terms..
Peace.
if they were to apologize for the Talmud, at least the bit about Jesus being confined to vat of boiling semen
boiling semen or boiling excrement? [not sure which I’d prefer]
I am not needling you ……I asked you a simple question about why you would prefer this……” so my ideal state would not only approximate Israel’s degree of racial difference, but would in fact contain plenty of people who’d ball park look like somewhat like Israelis”.
I don’t know what you mean by a ‘look like Israelis.
If I may, silvio, I’d like to point out that you are thinking about mysticism in an “instrumental” fashion, which ties in to your general teleological approach – things have value for something else, not in themselves.
Mysticism brings joy and bliss in the here and now – it is not an “instrument” one may adopt to cope at the moment of death, although it certainly leads to joyfull acceptance of death as part of the cosmic process.
It is an end itself, pursued for its own sake, just as true morality should be pursued for the pleasure it brings, not because it may get us points in heaven.
In fact, the more you experience bliss in the here and now the more the teleological approach falls away of its own accord. Who needs it? There is nothing to be “redeemed” from.
That’s why earlier I told Art that even though progress seems optimistic, it is ultimately a sad admission of failure. Eternal progress is bliss eternally deferred, and societies – like ours – based on progress are actually based on the pessimistic suspicion that happiness is impossible. It is removed to the realm of the remote future, and the present – all presents – are radically devalued.
That’s why “optimistic” societies like ours are curiously unhappy, while “pessimistic” Buddhist societies are curiously cheerful and content.
The terms optimism and pessimism are relative – optimistic about whar? Pessimistic about what? They each contain their opposites.
It would seem that pessimism about the human leads to optimistic about life and the world, and optimism about human self development leads to a curious dissatisfaction with life and the world.
The two human approaches seem based on an ability to find things intrinsically satisfying and wonder evoking or an inability to do so. However, the ability can be cultivated.
Now, as you say it is possible to find some kind of balance between the two poles, and that has been done.
And indeed I’m not opposed to progress as a limited goal to help improve the human condition. I merely think that progress as a teleological goal renders immediate life unsatisfying – or rather, is based on a melancholy inability to see the mysterious wonder of the world as it is.
However, it is only partially a matter of choice – we can cultivate mysticism, wonder, an appreciation for nature, a sense of mystery, but we must be somewhat predisposed to this already.
To those lacking this predisposition, they have no choice but to find redemption in progress and hope. And I do not begrudge them that, and recognize that any realistically stable social structure would have to accommodate the needs of a large section of the human population, indeed a highly driven one by the nature of their malady, and usually highly intelligent.
I would not deny them their dream of happiness.
Why can’t there be monasteries across the land, mystics living in caves, bohemians and pleasure seekers, as well as scientific laboratories and men working on space exploration or AI if that is what they want (even if ultimately, it destroys the world. The world was not built to last)?
Today, the progress-people try and organize everything around their particular needs for happiness, and that is ubstable.
But the future may be different, and seems like it will be soon.
Is it good for the Jews?
https://forward.com/fast-forward/395330/polish-priest-says-that-truth-for-jews-is-whatevers-beneficial-to-them/
Anti-Semitism is good for the Jews apparently:
YouTube Won’t Ban Neo-Nazi Group Chanting ‘Gas the K**kes, Race War Now’
Gotta maintain the appearance of eternal victimhood at the hands of irrational haters somehow.
But, Oh yeah, Google just banned those neo-Nazis, but only after with much delay and “after a flurry of media attention on Atomwaffen and YouTube’s inaction around the group.”
But still UTube is loaded with “Gas the Kikes” vids, such as this: Another successful contract.
And if that doesn’t make you wanna gas Jews, nothing will. But tastefully, Youtube have disallowed comments.
And it’s interesting that when Microsoft launched an AI twitterbot, it immediately picked up the anti-Semitic memes, saying things like: “GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW.” And when asked if the Holocaust happened, responding, “It was made up,” together with an emoji of clapping hands.
What that means, if Microsoft’s AI is anything like human intelligence (when human intelligence is operating at a rather low level) is that anti-Semitism in the West is largely if not entirely manufactured by the media and other Jewish-dominated entities to promote Jewish interests.
“…A small number of Jews, perhaps 10-20 thousand, benefited from the revolution. But the general Jewish population was hit hard by the new regime…”
Boo hoo hoo. The Jews take over Russia and kill multi-millions and…some Jews weren’t happy. Next you’ll be telling us,”well it really wasn’t the Jews, it was the Bolsheviks or some other such nonsense.”.
“…The standard argument against that is there isn’t much of an anti-Jewish tradition in China or India, and that obsessive hostility towards Jews has been mostly a phenomenon in Christian,,,:”
That’s only because not many of them have lived there.
But I would not take the linking of morality to system’s entropy literally whatever the system is and however you define the entropy of the system.
I believe that the concepts of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, also applies in human cultural systems.
When two billiard balls strike each other, a small amount of heat energy is released. That heat energy is forever dispersed in space. It can never be gathered again to do work. Science says the result is that time advances. Science says that at some time in the far-off future, that the whole universe will die because all the energy of the universe will be at the same temperature. This heat energy is un-orderable. Entropy is the measure of the progress of this phenomenon.
There is another way this un-orderable lost heat energy can be perceived – that is that it is trash – that it is clutter – that it is environmental garbage – that it is waste. This clutter and waste can be thought of as disorder. In a biological being, when it can no longer eliminate waste, disorder sets in and it dies.
So too, with closed intellectual systems of people. With immoral acts occur, disorder builds – ill feelings occur that can never be gathered into positive energy. The capacity for beneficial organization is lost – the whole intellectual culture is hurt. Our time in this world is decreased when we cannot gather, bond and build. We die sooner. Immorality has consequences.
Think Peace — Art
“…9. Jews have too much control over the global media…Anyhow, my rejoinder to the idea that Jews control the media and that this is a bad thing, which I employed in a email discussion with an Alt Right intellectual who is deep into the JQ, went as follows:
Maybe you would like to use this method to explain Belgian control of the Congo. I guess since there were very few of them they had nothing to do with Colonialism. Same goes for all the other European powers. I'm glad you cleared that up for us so the next time anyone complains about Colonialism we can set them straight.
Your argument about the Balts being responsible for the USSR is also absurd. I followed the links and in the comments it was clear that the White army got no support because they didn't lie to them like the Jews and say they would win their independence. The lesson we should absorb from this is "Never, ever believe a damn word the Jews say because they are liars".
I can readily see why people call you a Hasbara because your methods of discourse and arguments are very similar. Maybe the long occupation by the Jews in the USSR caused a shift to this sort of nonsensical argumentation. I can also see this in the USA today. The Jewification of truth.
I'm of course 11/11 on your little list and still it's inaccurate because I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm anti-Jew.
White people have tried just about every single idea you can come up with under the Sun to deal with the Jews and their horrible, malicious behavior. The best thing we can do is is the one, true, bonafide, 100% guaranteed method that always works when dealing with the Jews. Guaranteed to bring more happiness, joy, wealth and overall good feeling than any other method of dealing with the Jews. That is, get rid of them. Deport them. Make them no longer a factor in your life. Allow them no say in any part of your country or lives. This has been tested many times and 100% proven to work fabulously every time.
“…The expulsions by Assyrian and Babylonian kings and by Roman emperors like Hadrian are just standard imperial relocations of defeated peoples…happened to plenty of other groups…”
This is dishonest because we are talking about the Jews. The Jews have been kicked out every single country they’ve been in any numbers in all of their history.
A small number of Jews, perhaps 10-20 thousand, benefited from the revolution. But the general Jewish population was hit hard by the new regime. Harder on average than the majority.
Oh my’ — classic Big Jew – Little Jew story.
Big Jews do the bad – Little Jews back them up — things hit the fan – Big Jews skip the country – Little get the hell kicked out of them. This has been going on for thousands of years.
Is there any group of people on the planet that is dumber than the Little Jews?
Think Peace — Art
This reminds me of something that I came across a while back, maybe I showed you or not. I remember we were having a conversation about the Buddha and al-Khidr (the “Green Man”). Since you’ve studied Buddhism, you may already know about this, but in the Tibetan form, they have physical positions for prostration – the partial prostration made my eyes go wide (starts around 1 minute mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKVN4tb0moM
That full prostration is no joke!
Peace.
I see what you’re getting at 🙂 Yes, it’s quite remarkable. It opens up all sorts of questions, including about an ur-religion that branched off around the world. Sufism has many striking affinities with Buddhism, also.
Minus the hand movements, it is by-the-book Hanafi-style (including how he does not use his hands to support himself on the way down, but rather the knees make first contact) – remarkable indeed!
love it!
“… if Iraq War was run for the benefit of Israel then you should be able to point the benefit. Iraq and Israel have no common border, so the only way Iraq could be a threat to Israel was if Saddam Hussein had WMD. Are you saying he did? You can’t have it both ways…”
Same farcical Jewish clouding of the issue and lying. Saddam was a threat to Israel because he was providing financial support to it’s enemies the Palestinians. The Jews are mentally ill and want no opposition at all. Any opposition they consider a threat no matter what. By acting like this they of course eventually create threats that didn’t even exist before. So yes you can not only have one way but another and another and another. Your picks of history do fit the actual history.
People fall in love with their own ideas and then keep digging deeper and deeper.
Basically your fantasy is kind of late 19 century when many thinkers wanted to reduce complex phenomena to simple physical and mathematical concepts. It was combination of science envy and shallowness. IQ is one of them. There were many kooks out there. Sometimes they got following like the IQ guys and sometime they did and their silly ideas died down mercifully. At best efforts like that can be taken as metaphors or analogies though unfortunately the creators of these ideas did not keep sufficiently large distance to maintain a healthy dose of skepticism ending up making fools of themselves.
Are serious trying to reduce the complexity of morality into one dimensional scalar variable. Take a cold shower and strop masturbating.
This Zielinski is onto something. Jewish tradition definitively has a different concept of truth from Plato or Aristotle. It is about text and story telling. No wonder that postmodernism was developed by Jews like Derrida. There is no distinction between fiction and documentary. What matters is whether the story works by having power to influence people. It all comes down to power and control. First you create a reality that you can control and then everything what happens in it is true to actors inhabiting it but at the same as a master controller you know it is all fake because you have constructed it by weaving stories. Or maybe not. No story teller will create a story to drive himself of power to tell the stories.
The question is however whether Jews know difference when their stories are BS and when there are not? I think they do not. That’s why they are so effective. Is it their weak spot? You can kill a basilisk with a mirror when he sees himself. Can you destroy Jews, take their power away if you manage to make them see themselves for what they really are? I am afraid that not. What would be the magic mirror that would brings Jews back to humanity? Some forms of psychosis are incurable. Perhaps after they conquer the whole world and destroy it and won’t be able to find any enemies they may let go of it. But what about the humanity?
They need a longer list of questions, say 88, and you are anti-semite if you score at least 14/88.
What are the odds?
About 100%
I can only reiterate what I’ve already said: obsessive Judeophobes are completely irrational.
Diabolical antisemitism sees Jews as a kind of cancer, or non-human colony of parasitic swarm which will suck out life from the host-victim & move on, leaving a carcass. They are, according to this world-view, incarnation of Ahriman/Satan.
When I think of it, this is a completely wrong system of thought that dehumanizes any collective & ascribes to it exclusively negative traits, something which is unsupportable by any empirical evidence.
In sum, they (Jews, Muslims, blacks, WASPs, whites, Europeans, Chinese, gays, Hispanics, evangelicals, ..) are the root of all evil. This is something not worth discussing.
A colony of parasites don’t need to be homogeneously parasitic but must need have a aggressive and evil intellectual elites [center of command] which define the guidelines of the group…
enough to be destructive and to have…. exceptions of good ones.
BUT… most people talk about THEM as they know who they are, how they are…
Based on hbd ”help” we only know that
they have higher verbal skills;
very motivated
and… have, on avg, a ”ideal personality factor”
Right now we some evidence that most jews defend obvious destructive policies which are destroying western in their [racial] roots, at least in USA, but even those-joos who are ”on the right”, most of them are still implicitly to explicitly anti-white.
They can be homophobic, racist, whatever, but many them are consciously super-racist against whites…
OR, most of them are quite aware about what they are doing, as a group, and simply don’t care about the consequences specially about white people [they specially their intellectual elites are simply creating a atmosphere of hate against white people, more and more explicit based on the level of fragility whites are…]
OR, many them are and as well happen among whites, they ALSO have their classical leftists typos… in highest % BUT
to be a truly classical NEO-leftist you must be very critical about ”your own” people
AND…..
So Jews are both to blame for youtube not banning and then banning a Nazi video?
You’re crazier than the SJWs.
Obviously, Youtube has to show some willingness to ban Nazi videos. But they do it very, very slowly, apparently, as you would know if you had followed the link I provided:
Such sloth might be attributed to incompetence, although incompetence is not a characteristic associated with the Tech Sector.
But how then to account for the fact that grotesquely anti-Semitic material remains on You-tube in abundance? For example, the video to which I provided a link, and again here.
So no, I am not crazy, but your illogical comment sounds a little like that of someone trying to deny an uncomfortable reality, namely, that anti-Semitism provides a useful shield against those who might question the disproportionate influence of Jews in the US Congress, the US media, the US porn Industry and in Hollywood.
Here are a couple of examples of the way that the perceived widespread existence of anti-Semitism is used as a shield by Jewish interests with something to hide:
Oy! Madoff Scandal Stirs Anti-Semitic Glee in Palm Beach
White phosphorus in Gaza and the new anti-Semitism
What this shows is that mankind needs a story, and if only Jews are selling one you’ll buy it. Western man has divested himself of all stories, leaving a vacuum.
There is a simple solution, if it’s not clear how to get there. The West must create for itself a mythology that will fill the vacuum, preventing the Jewish mythology from doing so.
Jews dont have magic powers – they are just selling something western man cant get on his own since science.
What troubles me is that the West seems historically go have to borrow others mythologies – Hebrews, Greeks, Romans. The West doesn’t seem very good at story telling.I
Science and materialism are themselves stories however – maybe they are just weaker and worse stories than what Jews are selling? Maybe the western stories are just inferior and less compelling?
Either way, a people needs good stories – the western neglect of this is a fatal hsndicap.
In Mahayana Buddhism, you’re not supposed to have beliefs – so no stories or narratives. However, the lack of stories is supposed to point to a mysterious reality beyond stories – i.e, beyond words and comprehensiln. So in a way, it’s the greatest story behind all conceivable stories. It’s not truly against stories, just against stories that can be expressed in words of fit into the narrow convo decor human concepts.
The modern West, also has no beliefs, thus no stories, but in a very different way. Beyond the lack of stories is not a mystery beyond words but a dogmatic affirmation of nothing, which is itself a story.
Buddhist “nothing” tells us there is a story but our human minds cannot grasp it, it is too large and majestic for us. Any merely human story is untrue. Western “nothing” says there is nothing to grasp outside our human minds. The exact opposite in every way.
Buddhist nothing liberates us from allndogmas, western nothing is itself a confining dogma.
Man needs miracle and mystery, as Dostoevsky said.
Jews provide western man with his miracle and mystery. Communism, neo-con nonsense, etc.
Everything that gives life meaning is “beyond words”. Beauty, nature, friendship – what thrills us about these things cannot be expressed in language, only pointed to. Nevertheless, man needs a connection to this non-verbal, non-conceptual dimension.
Western science has been an attempt to cut us off this non-verbal dimension and trap us in a world of concepts and words.
But mainstream western culture, in its efforts to connect to this vital non-verbal realm, has always relied too heavily on words that can be expressed in simple stories. Thus, when science deprived us of stories that point to the non-verbal realm, we accepted the Jewish stories, and we’re at their mercy.
But our need to connect to this realm through stories is perhaps our greatest weakness, and maybe it derives from Plato.
To no longer be at the mercy of Jews, the great storytellers, perhaps the West can learn to connect to the realm of mystery without words? In other words, a Buddhism or a Zen adapted to western sensibilities.
Zen has been known for some time in the West and it has not “taken”. Evidently it is not fully compatible with Westerrn sensibilities. But zen itself is an adaptation of Indian Buddhism, and maybe the West needs its own adaptation from the source idea.
Jews, after all, are the masters of words – If our culture loses its great emphasis on words, might that remove our vulnerability?
One of the reasons China and Japan remain impervious to Jewish stories is because their culture lacks our emphasis on words – they can laugh at Jewish story telling. Their own connection to miracle and mystery transcends mere words and stories.
But one thing is for sure – as we our only connection to miracle and mystery is through Jews, we will be at their mercy.
And the story helps one define and prioritize purpose, values, etc.
I always thought the Lord of the Rings was a good attempt at a creation-myth for Western man. I’m not sure that is what Tolkien intended, but he did write the Silmarillion.
Yup.
“Human nature abhors a spiritual vacuum. If the house from which an unclean spirit has gone out is left empty, swept, and garnished, the momentarily banished possessor will sooner or later enter in again with a retinue of other spirits more wicked than himself, and the last state of that man will be worse than the first.”
– Arnold Toynbee, in War and Civilization
Peace.
The Ethiopians aren’t real jews at all.
I have not encountered that claim before. What evidence is there to support it?
That is in fact exactly what Tolkien intended. He was explicitly trying to create a new mythology for England.
It’s very good in its own way and I wonder if my interest in fantasy as a kid helped save me from the Jewish mythology, which seemed so much less beautiful.
I had a Jewish friend who started getting seriously into fantasy. At some point I was surprised to discover that he completely turned against fantasy, threw away all his books, and was disgusted with it. It was very sudden.
I now think that he intuitively grasped that he was dealing with a rival connection to mystery and mythology that the more he got into it would undermine his jewish mythology as much less beautiful.
At the time, neither of us were able to articulate this.
LOTR is good but these days I have many objections to it – too grandiose, elevates the human too much, too much of a teleological narrative with a purpose, etc.
Not mystical enough and too similar to traditional western attempts to reach mystery through word bound narratives with purpose.
I wonder if the time has time has come for t the West to move beyond this traditional way of connecting to mystery?
The west has periodically reinvented itself.
Correct, some paths shouldn’t be taken by “the just”. The ancients and the Fathers hammered it out like that as well. Socrates said simply “it is never right to do wrong”, and early Christians took this to its logical consequence, thinking it is better to suffer evil than to perpetrate it.
This — not doing evil — is one of the two ideas underpinning christian martyrdom. The other is about a transcendent justice/reward. Consolation in this life then is not only intellectual, but takes the form of a quiet everyday joy. OTOH, “wanting justice done” can easily be lived as an excuse for our own resentment, our desire for vengeance or for a power grab.
This explains why prudence –defined as taking the right decision at the right moment– was held as the first virtue by ancients and Christians alike. From there the progression to temperance (self-control, knowledge of own failings), then fortitude (ability to endure hardship and maintain the right path), then justice (which flowers in the common good, the building of a better community). This understanding of the classical virtues can be used at the individual and at the political level. It is, of course, a personal way of ordering a life, and can be counter-cultural or help shape the culture.
Human history also has a dimension that transcends individual experience. Out of the blood of the martyrs springs the seeds of faith and a better, fairer, civilization. We are not all called to such sacrifice, but all those who can should fight the good fight. Our actions in this life, our search for truth and a better way to live, are important for ourselves and for our descendants.
@ “LOTR is good but these days I have many objections to it –”
Hah, I bet. Mainly that you now know Tolkien was a devout catholic and wrote the story from a profoundly Catholic point of view: a fellowship to combat something intrinsically evil that seeks to ruin man and “in the darkness bind them.” A truthful theological thriller, in fact, which is why it is still moving.
I’m half Catholic. I admit it’s very moving, and I actually rewatch the first movie periodically (the other two more or less suck).
I like Christianity and see much beauty in it, but it suffers from a major weakness in my view – it sees human life as a story of progress in time towards the millenium. Much of modernity derives from this.
I think history is meaningless, we should give up dreams of progress, and find value in the timeless present.
These days, I’m more influenced by Hindu, Buddhist, and Taoist myths than Hebrew derived Christian ones.
But that is just me.
Greeks and Romans are the West! Western civilization = Greek philosophy (eg. concept of truth) + Roman law + Christianity (morality)
Your adulation of Jewish word power is unwarranted. The great poets are not Jews. Western (Northern) nations have great stories (The Greeks and Romans are prototypical “westerners,” BTW.) The ancient non-Jewish MENA cultures also had great stories, from which Jews borrowed liberally. The Jews are slick and persistent salesmen, is all.
Jewish power is not in their stories, but in their financial acumen. The ruling class dictates the preferred belief system, as when kings converted [to X] so did their subjects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_gJYxM6cMA
Meditation and the Useful Idiot – Yuri Bezmenov
The West has a perfectly good story: they story about Jesus. But that story entails appropriation by the untermenschen goyim of the Jewish God, giving rise to virulent Jewish resentment, and the adoption by t