Poland Wants Russia to Pay Reparations Gibs

Izvestia reports that Jarosław Kaczyński now also wants reparations from Russia. In an interview with German tabloid Bild, employer of the famous “Jihadi Julian” Röpcke, the PiS leader said:

Germany and Russia can’t be compared. In Berlin, there is a democratically elected government, there is rule of law and morals. This does not apply to Russia. But you are right: Russian must also pay. But I do not believe that our generation will live long enough to see Moscow accept its responsibility.

Though I’d say more, I already pretty much said everything that needs to be said a few days ago. Russia should pay up whenever the Poles accept gather the courage to accept their responsibility for installing the Bolshevik dictatorship on Russians. The Bolsheviks did 1-2 orders of magnitude more damage to Russia than they did to Poland, so any exchange of reparations would be in our favor.

On a more pragmatic note, though, picking reparations-related quarrels with Germany, Russia, and Jews simultaneously doesn’t seem like an awfully smart idea. If unfortunately well in line with Polish strategic culture.

Anatoly Karlin is a transhumanist interested in psychometrics, life extension, UBI, crypto/network states, X risks, and ushering in the Biosingularity.

 

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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

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  2. AnonFromTN says

    “Poland wants” reminds me of a Soviet era joke:
    – I want to go to Paris again!
    – Were you there before?
    – No, but I wanted to go there before.

  3. Europe Europa says

    Does Poland have good relations with any country? They seem to think everyone owes them a living.

    They even seem to find a reason to hate the British, which I find bemusing considering Poland was literally the reason Britain declared war on Germany and the British people have graciously accepted over a million Poles into their job market since Poland joined the EU.

  4. I’m not against Poland trolling others but I think it would be ignoble to do anything other than troll globohomo governments.

    So, trolling Merkel for trying to poz the whole of Europe is salutory.

    But I don’t think trolling Russia is called for. What Poland really should do is to troll Britain and France for being okay with the Soviet invasion, since they are both pozzed governments.

  5. Europe Europa says

    The Poles aren’t “trolling” though, they genuinely believe they are victims of both Russia and Germany and are entitled to reparations.

  6. AnonFromTN says

    The Poles aren’t “trolling” though, they genuinely believe they are victims of both Russia and Germany

    Did you ask Poles? I know quite a few and they are all normal people with healthy contempt for their government. Polish governments for centuries infuriated its powerful neighbors Germany and Russia simultaneously. That’s why Poland was divided between the two many times. Last time their government relied on the “guarantees” of France and Britain, which turned out to be 100% sham. Now it relies on the US guarantees, which are likely as false as British and French ones in 1939. The only guarantee of Polish independence is that nobody wants Poland. If Poland only kept quiet, nobody would get pissed off enough to conquer it out of spite.

  7. https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/duda-slams-russia-s-second-baltic-gas-pipeline-to-germany/

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-poland-usa-energy/us-to-help-poland-ukraine-disconnect-from-russian-gas-idUSKCN1VL0HH

    Having accused Putin of responsibility of assassinating the Polish PM and half his ministers and generals, Poland needs to further bait Russia with reparations demands so as to cause serious diplomatic rift, and thus lock America into supplying cheap energy for all Poland’s needs for ever more.

    Polish diplomacy in action:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/12041452/Poland-promises-to-stand-ground-with-Cameron-over-EU-welfare-demands.html

    Poland refuses to be ‘victimised and humiliated’ by Cameron over migrant benefits
    As Cameron arrives in Warsaw, Polish foreign minister tells Telegraph Polish position unchanged on benefits discrimination ahead of EU renegotiation.

    Poles say Cameron admits defeat over curbs on migrant benefits
    10 Dec 2015 – But Mr Cameron told his Polish counterpart Beata Szydlo that, unless an … right to work in the UK under the bloc’s freedom of movement rules.

    Another triumph for Poland is inevitable.

  8. Korenchkin says

    This article goes very hard
    Love from Serbia
    I hate boomers so much it’s unreal

  9. It is hard to distinguish a successful troll. This part seems like a troll:

    But I do not believe that our generation will live long enough to see Moscow accept its responsibility.

    But what the heck is this:

    Germany and Russia can’t be compared. In Berlin, there is a democratically elected government, there is rule of law and morals. This does not apply to Russia.

    It almost seems like flattery, but do blacks and Jews typically use it? I feel like he misstepped here. Like, he wasn’t prepared for the Russian question. I would call it a gaffe more than anything else, but he ought to have been prepared for the question, for it was an obvious one for Germans to ask.

  10. I think trolling is exactly what it is because I can’t believe it can be taken seriously anywhere including Poland. By trolling also Russia in the interview he probably, in his mind, wanted to appear consistent and fair with respect to his German interlocutor.

    I suspect that the whole stratagem of talking about reparations from Germany was invented when they realized that Jewish demands for restitutions for the so-called heirless property amounting to $300 bln were deadly serious and backed by America, so he (1) wanted to get Poles to get used to the idea of restitutions, in other words to make them think like a Jew about blood money transactions: “Once Germans pay we will pay the Jews” and (2) as the delaying tactics in secret negotiations with the Jews: (2a) wait till Poles get used to the whole idea after I apply (1) and (2b) “Once Germans pay we will pay you.” Though obviously Jews won’t buy the (2b) part.

    AK is correct that this is not awfully smart idea. Most importantly this is wrong on moral level because of corrupting Poles by dragging them down to the Jewish level.

  11. for-the-record says

    They even seem to find a reason to hate the British, which I find bemusing considering Poland was literally the reason Britain declared war on Germany

    After providing a “guarantee” of Poland’s territorial integrity which encouraged Poland to stand firm against German demands, Britain didn’t exactly back up this guarantee, did it?

  12. Fuerchtegott says

    The lesson is, overall, never rescue people from Nazis.
    NEVER.

  13. Lars Porsena says

    Don’t hate da playa, hate da game. Dey see Poland rollin dey hatin.

    The key point here is posture. Poland is maintaining the correct posture (aggrieved victimhood) to avoid falling into the wrong posture (victim of aggrieved victimhood).

    As for whether they should be in reparation related quarrels with 3 countries simultaneously, well they know they aren’t getting cash from Russia and don’t push it much. For Israel, they are on the other side, it is Israel trying to run the reparations game on them.

    That is why it won’t work, they have Germany to maintain frame on so they don’t end up paying jewgeld. Whenever the subject of reparations comes up, they flip it on Germany. Israel will get it’s reparations when Poland gets it’s reparations from Germany. The key here is so long as Germany and Russia don’t pay (and they will never pay) neither will Poland pay.

    Although Germany may actually pay because seriously they have gone soft and weak and are a bunch of sitzpinklers now. However, they will never pay enough. Game knows game and Poland knows game.

    https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7244/7006671539_c523674838_z.jpg

  14. Curmudgeon says

    I live in a city with fairly high “Polish” (and “Ukrainian”) population. My uncle married a 2nd generation Pole, I went to school with Poles (and Ukrainians) and have worked with Poles (and Ukrainians). I guess that means those cousins could be partly “Polish”. While the Poles were hardworking, and for the most part nice people, my experience has been that, generally speaking, they are absolutely intolerant of those who do not agree with them, and never accept responsibility for their own actions, unless something good comes of them. They are insulted rather easily.
    In the 1960s. Polish jokes became a trend. Telling one to a Pole could provoke a violent response. Change it to a Ukrainian joke, and the Pole thought it was funny as would the Ukrainian, or any other ethnicity substituted for “Pole”. It seems they can’t laugh at themselves.
    Ironic that their behavior makes it easy for others to laugh at them.

  15. I haven’t been to Moscow, but the morals in Berlin are notoriously low – one needs a submarine to reach them. That sanctimonious Kaczynski guy should get out more.

    Regarding ‘reparations‘: they seem to be all the rage around the world, the blacks in US are also clamouring for some easy money. It is a symptom of our virtual money world – many dream that by dropping a ton of cash from somewhere all would be well.

    This could be happening because the human evolution has ended, we have peaked, there really is not much hope for a successful evolutionary adaptation with all the food around. And how would a mutation even survive in such large populations (you need a genetic bottleneck for that). And yes, what I am saying is that the Polish elites are not very smart…sometimes the stereotypes are based on the truth.

  16. Russia should pay up whenever the Poles accept gather the courage to accept their responsibility for installing the Bolshevik dictatorship on Russians. The Bolsheviks did 1-2 orders of magnitude more damage to Russia than they did to Poland, so any exchange of reparations would be in our favor.

    A little known mater as discussed here:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    As for Kaczyński reportedly seeking reparations from Russia, at least one Russian reply said that Poland should pay compensation to the former USSR (largely consisting of Russia), which was instrumental in liberating Poland from the Nazis.

  17. The Brits “fought” a phony war when Poland was attacked. This changed when the UK itself was attacked later. Note that the Brits didn’t declare war on the USSR, when the latter took Poland’s then eastern territory in 1939

    Towards the end of WW II, Churchill expressed frustration with the London Poles.

  18. AnonFromTN says

    sometimes the stereotypes are based on the truth

    Ordinary Poles are much smarter than their elites (or maybe the Empire is buying only elites – this is cheaper).

  19. John Gruskos says

    If Belarus and Ukraine are part of the Russian nation, then Poland has already payed plenty of reparations to Russia in the form of territory.

    Germany has similarly paid plenty of reparations to Poland.

    The Jews, on the other hand, owe massive reparations to all European Christian nations, especially America, for the damage done by Jewish organized crime and self-serving intellectual and political movements, including the Bolshevism of Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev etc.

  20. By trolling also Russia in the interview he probably, in his mind, wanted to appear consistent and fair with respect to his German interlocutor.

    Yes, I agree with this.

    Holocaust, Inc. is a bubble, by its nature. The Poles only need to outlast it.

    The more interesting question to me is about Germany and the EU, especially with Brexit. Brexit might be more significant than a lot of blackpilled people were thinking because of the financial shortfall it creates. But Poland would have the displeasure of the cucks in Germany anyway.

    I’m not certain what to make of the Russian angle yet – if this is just in the German-language media.

  21. In retrospect, there is something very bizarre about the German government’s move back to Berlin. The idea that they were interested in the reconstruction of East Germany seems a laughable falsehood, given their course on globalism.

    I would be willing to cut blacks a deal because they are primarily short-term thinkers, and I think it would be easy to give them less than they are getting now, but make them think that it is more. Like, they are clamoring to control the Grammy Awards and the Oscars – I would be quite happy to give these away. And they want more entertainment – this would easy to do on the cheap, IMO.

  22. If Belarus and Ukraine are part of the Russian nation, then Poland has already payed plenty of reparations to Russia in the form of territory.

    Keeping in mind that after WW II, Poland received territory in the West that had been German. Between two world wars, much of Poland’s eastern territory wasn’t so historically and ethnically Polish.

  23. John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan says

    I agree, but in fairness to the Eternal Anglo, it must be said that the American President, Roosevelt, did enormous damage to European diplomacy by way of playing both sides of the war/peace fence in his communications to the British.

    This lengthy article explains:

    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

  24. Felix Keverich says

    Cheap American energy? Is this supposed to be sarcasm?

    The fact is that Russia offers the cheapest energy. First, we supply you with billions of cubic meters of gas in credit. Then, you refuse to pay back credit, go to a Swedish court, win an arbitrage case against Gazprom, and have Gazprom pay you $3 billion more.

    You get to have your cake and eat it too. You get both Russian gas AND Russian money. I don’t see how it could get any better than that. If Poland really wants “reparations”, they should just keep doing business with Gazprom.

  25. Ukraine wants Russia to gib too. As if the $200+ billion did the trick. Poland and Ukraine are both addicted to freebies, which only make them more feeble.

  26. That’s why Poles are backwards and need 3 polaks just to change a light bulb

  27. We don’t often agree on much, but you are right on this one: this is an attempt to mainstream the reparations idea in Poland. Poles will grumble, make some silly analogies, and then pay up.

  28. You can’t pay of the blacks, it would inevitable become a permanent stream of money. This is heading towards devaluation of our current concept of money. That was my point, once the idea of ‘historical reparations‘ takes hold, you move to a society with privileges that come with funding. It explodes and eventually the funny money becomes worthless because it’s not based on resources or work.

    It started out with a few small groups that were paid and that was affordable. Now the concept is going big, everything from history to environment and any ‘injustice‘ in general is demanding money. I would summarise the last few years as going big in every possible way, it is heating up, constraints are being thrown off, the final rush has started. Soon we will be discussing trillions like chump change.

    Germans moved the capital to Berlin because they had to, it was needed for historical continuity and to capture the east. It is ending up as a large colonial outpost of progressivism in the middle of traditional eastern Germany, not a good combination. Although Munich has been the same within Bavaria for decades and they have managed. But they actually make good stuff in Munich, in Berlin I am not sure anyone makes anything any more.

  29. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Iv5nCbh0FBpB_xuPE0RJRaG5fD4=/0x0:1268×618/920×0/filters:focal(0x0:1268×618):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19204371/Screen_Shot_2019_09_16_at_10.51.23_AM.png

  30. Brings to mind the pidgin style saying: monkey see, monkey do –

    https://www.rt.com/russia/479332-ukraine-nazi-soviet-compensation-occupation/

    From the above linked piece, this excerpt gives the svidos something to hit back at:

    Despite the fact that a considerable amount of the USSR top brass were themselves Ukrainians. Indeed, one Leonid Brezhnev, from the Dnipropetrovsk region, literally ran the state for 18 of its final 27 years. And his immediate predecessor, Nikita Khrushchev, was a former chief of the Ukrainian SSR, who grew up in the Donbass.

    Notwithstanding, there were a good number of prominent ethnic Ukrainian Communists.

  31. Felix Keverich says

    Since you’re an expert on American energy, mind explaining how is it that American shale producers keep growing production year after year while operating at a loss? When you consider that American business culture is heavily focused on delivering profit and “rewarding shareholders”, US shale truly stands out as an unmitigated financial disaster.

  32. Poland’s foreign policy stance was entirely their own, of course the guarantee was only given under pressure from FDR. Poland easily could have come to an arrangement with the Germans but they thought they would win a war with Getmany.

  33. Notwithstanding, there were a good number of prominent ethnic Ukrainian Communists.

    Among prominent Communists Jews, Latvians and Georgians were overrepresented relative to their share of the Russian Empire’s population. Russians were underrepresented. Ukrainians were even more underrepresented than were Russians. Of course, Bolsheviks did not come to power through elections or through the will of the Russian people, the country was taken hostage by them. In Russia they got 25% of the vote. In Ukraine, they got 10% of the vote. The parts of Ukraine where Bolsheviks were most popular were Donbas and Kharkiv.

    Poles were not overrepresented relative to the Russian Empire’s population, it’s just that one of the most famous and evil of the early Bolsheviks was a Pole. An outlier.

    Brezhnev and Khrushchev were both, of course, ethnic Russians who lived in Ukraine. Brezhnev was from Dnipropetrovsk and Khrushchev, born in Russia, lived in Donbas.

    If Russia hadn’t annexed Ukraine (homeland of many Bolshevik Jews, such as Trotsky), Latvia, and Georgia, it is doubtful there would have been Bolshevism.

  34. I don’t see anything about price. I know that companies engaged in shale energy have access to a lot of investment and lot of credit. Perhaps if Russia had the same advantages it would be producing twice as much energy. Maybe that was the point of the NCW – to ban investors from energy rivals to get the money back into the US.

    Another big distortion of the market by government that will have to correct itself down the road.

  35. One could no more pay off blacks than one could pay off Attila the Hun, and I would not propose to give them reparations, unless it comes with repatriation.

    Though, if one controlled the purse-strings, I do believe it would be relatively easy to underbid blacks. Present to them the question, what do you want A or B? (and B costs less than status quo welfare, but is superficially more attractive.)

    How would I do this? Free entertainment, paid for by a reduction in other gibs. A company would work patching videogames so that everyone was black. Another one would work by having cheap black actors shoot scenes on the set of non-black movies, using the same costumes, and special effects.

    The product that resulted would be like a free black netflix. It might help reduce policing costs, as it would be easy to cut if off for bad behavior. Or give premium product for better behavior.

  36. Amerimutt Golems says

    The Brits also don’t get much love from people like Guy Verhofstadt whose country they used to declare war on Germany in WWI.

  37. Amerimutt Golems says

    “jewgeld” LOL.

    As for Poles and their inferiority complex, Germany already pays through the European Union plus it is a major source of foreign direct investment (FDI) that props up their economy. Germany also hosts around 2 million Poles.

  38. If Russia hadn’t annexed Ukraine (homeland of many Bolshevik Jews, such as Trotsky), Latvia, and Georgia, it is doubtful there would have been Bolshevism.

    “Russia” as such didn’t “annex” these areas. There was a multi-ethnic group of political elitists (both inside and outside Russia) who helped the Bolsheviks create the Soviet Union – not to be mistakenly equated with Russia.

  39. Lol you are confused again

  40. In line with your collapsible biases, you didn’t make yourself clear as usual.

    Ukraine in name as such didn’t exist before WW I, with many on that territory not opposed to being a part of the Russian Empire – which is the reasonable historical successor to Rus. Russia, Ukraine and Belarus see themselves as descended from Rus. (At least many on these territories and elsewhere clearly feeling this way.)

    Georgia sought to become a Russian protectorate with many Georgians well integrated into the Russian Empire. Latvia was seen as a small territory that major powers dominated for their respective aims.

    Russia had Lenin and some others. What was to keep his likes in Latvia, Georgia and Ukraine from working together with him if there was no Russian Empire?

  41. You are still confused, and fumbling in the dark.

  42. Keep hallucinating and self congratulating at how supreme you are and I’ll continue to “fumble “my way into the end zone for a touchdown.

  43. You are confused again. It’s a safety.

  44. Video replay suggests otherwise.

    Shifting gears, this article is (especially by Western establishment standards) an eye opener of special interest to the former Yugoslavs out there:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/montenegros-corrupt-party-socialists-killing-country-117821

  45. We have a saying for these situations:

    “don’t put your ass where dicks are measured”

  46. If Poland were serious about this whole thing they wouldn’t demand money; they’d demand the restoration of Poland’s post-WWI borders.

  47. Oops.

  48. Imagine the number of pissed off Ukrainians and Lithuanians were that to actually happen.

  49. Video replay suggests otherwise.

    You are so confused you need a replay to tell whch side of the field you are on.

  50. As has been true in other instances, you haven’t substantiated this contention.

  51. Poland is a far larger stain on world politics than is Israel. Easily.

    Netanyahu, whatever his faults, is obviously at a higher moral level then any of the satanic, polish “elite” such as Tusk, either of the Kazynski queens, Sikorski-Applebaum and so on.

    This is a shame because prior to joining the EU most of Poland ruling class weren’t that bad.

    Israel doesn’t involve the EU in anywhere near the same amounts of human trafficking, robbers and drugs as Poland does- only partially alleviated by some good communist educated doctors,