“15,000 African refugees could be resettled in Stavropol,” read the Komsomolskaya Pravda headline, as displayed on Kholmogorov’s latest post to appear on my Facebook feed.
So this is the terminal stage of Putinism, I thought. Infinity Refugees. It is as if the kremlins looked at what is happening in the US and Western Europe and said, “We want some of that too!”
Sailer’s most important graph in the world.
However, on opening the link, the initial feelings of zrada gave way to peremoga.
“At the start of July, the Boer delegation headed by Dr. Jan Andrian Slebus is scheduled to visit,” Komsomolskaya Pravda in the North Caucasus was told by the press service of the Ombudsman’s Office in the Stavropol Territory. “Guests from South Africa want to talk with the Cossacks, with the local population, Stavropol politicians and religious figures.”
If the regional authorities approve of it, more than 15,000 Boer farmers may be from South Africa for farming, whose living conditions have become unacceptable in their homeland. It is also planned that in the case of the success of the first batch of settlers, other Boers may settle in the Crimea, the Krasnodar Territory and the North Caucasus republics.
Here is a report from Vesti News, which appears to be a state-owned project to translate videos from Russian news channels:
Incidentally, the headlines on their videos are based AF: “White Genocide,” “Never-Ending Refugee Flows“, “Muslim Fatigue“, “EU’s Plan to Blacken Continent.” All strictly for foreign consumption, but still, feels good, man.
Anyhow, this is excellent news, since it clearly means that Putler & Co. are reading my blog:
* South Africa legalizes expropriation of land from white farmers without compensation. Looks like we’re approaching the Mugabe scenario there.
Advice for Visegrad, Russia: Easen immigration for South African whites. You’ll be:
1. Doing a good, humanitarian/Christian thing;
2. Trigger the SJWs;
3. Be better able to deflect German/Brussels lectures about refugees;
4. Reinforce your own demographics;
What’s more, Russia won’t even have to pay for the Boers, since they’re bringing their own money. These people are unlikely to burn cars or sit on welfare. They do belong to a weird little Protestant sect but we all have our minor failings.
Being a White South African farmer is the single most dangerous profession in the world these days. The murder rate is around 300/100,000 per year (~150 killed out of a population of ~50,000). This makes it about 4x as dangerous as living in the world’s most murderous country (El Salvador) and 3x as dangerous as living in the world’s most murderous major city (Caracas). Many of the murders are horrific and drawn out, involving the use of torture. In the veldt at nighttime, nobody hears your screams.
There is an excellent humanitarian case to take in Boer refugees. A Responsibility To Protect, so to speak.
Heil Putler!
Excellent.
Wait until they find out about the ‘propiska’ process, they might not come :)…
If it works, it would be good for everyone. EU might get better handle on communicating with Russia with a small population of sober, hard working, Dutch speaking farmers there.
I suspect Western media would ignore it completely until some disillusioned Boers (propiska?) decide to leave, and then they would pounce.
Actually, I’m not sure this is such a good idea. Russia is not the most comfortable place to live in – these people will grow disillusioned quickly. Their kids will move to the city and become leaders in Russian LGBTQ movement (because Dutch DNA).
I know that Russia can’t be worse, than South Africa, but at least back there they had a traditional lifestyle to cling to. In Russia it won’t be the same.
[email protected], I wrote my comment before I saw yours. But Russian bureaucracy is no laughing matter – there WILL be disillusioned Boers.
I’ve said for a while that Russia needs to create intentionally trilingual communities(European or High Value language, Russian, English). The Russian language is just way too big a barrier for immigration and so these communities could be a way of passing that task off to future children. These communities could partly specialize in tourism(say, for guides), medical tourism, retirement communities, translation, culture industries, public relations, etc. There’s a lot of soft power projection that could come from doing this.
Katherine had her Volga Germans, and now Putler will have his African Dutch farmers (also a Germanic group). Probably, plenty of hard working Ukrainians tilling the Russia soil too. I wonder what Russian land laws are like? Is farmland available for sale to foreigners? Will these new immigrants be granted instant citizenship?
This a gross exaggeration. The figure of 50,000 of white farmers probably refers to only the landowner. It would not include all members of the household of the landowner or white workers on the farm. According to the white farmer’s union between 1990 and 2012, there were on average 70 homicides occurring on a farm in South Africa. The victim could be of any race. By interpolation of farm crime data, probably only 40+ victims per year are white out of a rural white population that is much larger than 50,000. Those in white farm households are safer than the average person in El Salvador.
Boers are addicted to a low cost workforce. They will not find it in Russia. From a commercial standpoint Boers are not tempted to move. Also they form patriarchal communities leading to family murder-suicides.
Is Russia really that bothered about getting a rugby team?
I know Boers IRL. They’re pretty eager to move.
Most would probably prefer Western Europe to Russia, admittedly. But Western Europe doesn’t seem to really want them.
This is very positive news. If Russian boomers who have probably grown up hearing only commie narratives about evil landowners are able to drop their conditioning there’s still a lot of reason to hope.
Point 3 will not work, to the contrary, hardly anything gets you branded as a Nazi faster than suggesting that white South Africans have a genuine case for refugee status. The post-Apartheid rainbow tolerance nation is the crowning achievement of the Anglo-Jewish cultural revolution and admitting its failure would be as damning for their ideological leadership as the collapse of the USSR was for Marxist economists.
“Refugee” basically just means “dark-skinned person from the Middle East or Africa” and whether or not that person is actually fleeing anything is now totally irrelevant. Russia has been taking in lots of refugees in recent years, from Ukraine, and of course it gets no praise for it from the EU because white people don’t actually count as refugees. Only taking in black or brown people is recognized as a praiseworthy sacrifice.
ZA is a really, rally dangerous place in general, and statistically whites are much less likely to be victimized than blacks. “White Genocide” dorks like hysterical (as usual)
Boers stay where they are because they don’t have to compete very hard. Going to a place where there is tougher competition is not appealing. This is not a casual admission people tend to make.
I confess to some ambivalence here. I agree that this is a smart move politically for Russia. Wasn’t there some talk of Georgia taking in the Boers a few years ago?
On the other hand, the Boers invited their extinction and could serve as an object lesson to the rest of the white population in the world. Live among Africans and you’ll be subsumed by their unrestrained fecundity and feral violence. We Americans at least had the sense to clear our part of North America from the native cannibalistic savages and put the remainder on reservations. Idiot Boers apparently thought the African’s nature made him a more amenable neighbor. Then again, so did Americans who found the aboriginals impossible to enslave while the African imports were happy so long as they had “tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit.” Now there are 40,000,000+ Africans in America and every major city lies in ruin.
At any rate, losing a few hundred thousand whites in South Africa is a small price to pay if it wakes up the rest of Europe and America that one ignores the fecundity of African savages at one’s existential peril. And rescuing them is a bit of a moral hazard isn’t it?
So this Vesti news service is owned by the Russian state…and uses terms like “white genocide”???
What’s the background behind that…just some enthusiasts acting on their personal beliefs or is there some strategy behind it?
I don’t watch Russia today, but I always got the impression it was fairly pc on matters of immigration, race, multiculturalism etc. (e.g. very much in favour of the Black Lives matter movement in the US)…is Russia now trying to diversify its media aimed at foreign audiences, to appeal to foreign nationalists?
What a weird world we’re living in.
Wrong button.
Yeah, it’s weird. And it’s only getting weirder. I now genuinely don’t know if everyday life is any freer in Western Europe today than it was in communist Hungary around, say, 1985. Even ten years ago I would’ve thought there was no question about that, but now I’m getting unsure.
I understand that Australia are doing the same, looking to encourage Boers to settle there. Australia and Russia will certainly be safer than S Africa
Some modern Americans seems to forget that the Native Americans were hit by apocalyptic plagues which weakened them and depopulated the Americas.
Otherwise, North America would still have a large population of Native Americans.
Afrikanas speaking in Russian. Can’t wait to hear the accent.
That is what you get for living in the emerging European neo-USSR.
Vesti appears to be a VGTRK project, whose deputy director is Dmitry Kiselev.
He’s preddy based:
He was also the guy who said that Russia can turn the US into nuclear ash. Very high energy fellow.
He’s also in charge of Sputnik, which is more “conspiratorial” and tbh lower quality than RT.
RT is a separate media arm (though one that belongs to the same holding company as Sputnik), has more yuppie Anglophone types, and is more directly aimed at the foreign left/liberal audience. They were angry at Russia Insider after Charles Bausman’s article on the Jews (which was reprinted on this website), but I have heard on the grapevine that it was the people around Kiselev who calmed things down.
Also RT actually blacklists people for racism and anti-Semitism, and I’m not talking hardcore Daily Stormer types (catch the hint?). Sputnik doesn’t do that AFAIK.
Anyway, my point is… it’s probably inaccurate to talk of a unitary “Kremlin” media strategy.
UK, Australia and Canada, successfully receive hundreds of thousands of South African immigrants, with the majority each year flowing to UK and Canada.
Mostly these are skilled immigrants. South Africa itself has many important scientists and intellectuals (with famous universities before the 1990s), and emigrated to UK, Australia, Canada and the US, during the 1990s, when crime and social disorder rose in their native country, but continuing emigration occurring in recent years.
This immigration can be of obvious economic benefit for the receiving countries, due to the demographics of the immigrants.
For Stavropol, which has high poverty, to attract them (beyond these ones visiting for a holiday), will
probably require absorption benefits and some kind of real plan from the authorities.
GDP per capita in South Africa is significantly below Russia, although a little recovered since the 1990s – so there is still a possibility to receive such “Boer immigration”, but there would need to be real incentives and with multi-year plan .
Particularly some kind of bonus to incentivize them to live in Russia, and not leave after a year (something like a free apartment if they are successfully staying in the country 5 years later).
Cross Talk held an excellent show called ” Melting pot melting ” which was about the fake refugee crises Anti White msm and even discussed population replacement and Kalergi. It also discussed and was pleased to see the European fightback against all this, It ought be on YouTube still
So far, it’s just some publicity (hype) in the media.
In the longrun, it would a great idea from (in this case local) authorities, to try to attract this immigrant. Any investment in this area (e.g. introduction of economic incentives), would likely be recovered soon from the improvement in human capital that it would create in the area.
South Africa is one of the few countries in the world, which has this kind of demographic, while at the same time being lower in GDP per capita than Russia, which makes immigration to Russia a rational possibility.
It is probably though not likely there will be more than a few without benefits, which is why I earlier imagined Karlin was not reporting this story.
Currently UK, Australia and Canada have heavily benefited from Boer emigration, even in the hundreds of thousands arriving (which is a highly educated and skilled demographic even relative to those countries – they developed nuclear weapons even).
But the Boers are not really serving as a lesson now. How many people in the Anglosphere or Western Europe know or care about it?
But if they flee to other countries then they will find it easier to propagate what happened to them in South Africa in the countries they live in.
To be fair, the Bantustans were kind of aimed at separating the Africans, although they were not that effective.
Are the South Africans emigrating to Anglosphere countries really Boers? Ok, there are a few famous ones (iirc J.M.Coetzee who wrote that depressing Disgrace novel now lives in Australia), but I’d suppose the emigrants would be disproportionately of Anglo background (who are probably more likely to still have family ties outside South Africa than the Boers who have lived there for centuries).
I didn’t wonder why Russia is willing to accept Boer immigrants (though that’s an interesting question as well), but why this Vesti news service would use terms like “white genocide”. It seems pretty high-risk for a state-owned news service to do that and might well be used in Western propaganda against Russia.
Personally I like the take at the Daily Stormer – give them land for free, but have them convert to Orthodoxy.
Either way, it’s a good thing for both Russia and the Boers.
You don’t have a very high opinion of Russian people, do you? 😉
We’re talking about some hillbilly farmers here – how much of an improvement it would be really?
this is the best timeline
Also this: Sputnik “Fake News” Corrects German Fake Documentary
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/sputnik-corrects-german-fake-documentary/
Would RT publish something like this article?
Southern Russians probably have similar IQ to rural Boers (~95).
However, these are not typical rural Boers, but rural Boers with at least $100,000 to spare. So, probably cleverer than the locals.
And certainly much better work ethic, since they’re essentially West Europeans from an earlier era.
Good example of what I’m talking about. No, I very much doubt RT would publish that.
Unfortunately, they also undermine their credibility by pushing unlikely conspiracy theories, such as their articles about how the US was evacuating ISIS fighters by helicopter.
For the ROC this would probably be a better outcome than the Boers forming the nucleus of a Calvinist Taliban trying to convert the residents of Crimea.
In 2013, an Afrikaner preacher asked me to look into resettlement in Russia. He travelled all over the Transvaal preaching so had a large congregation.
I looked at the project for them. Foolishly I disclosed my research unlike these cynical sharks. Russian land law does not encourage the formation of family farms by foreigners. Long term investment in land for foreigners is not an option. 49 years is the limit. This is not suitable if you wish to hand on your farm to future generations. Show me a farmer that doesn’t. Just now, the Afrikaners want a place to put their second sons. They want to hold on to RSA citizenship. That said, they are happy to go to Australia and Argentina. Russia is too alien.
Georgia has previously hosted such a delegation.
The southern Black Earth is very suitable for them. They are good at dry land farming which is needed in semi-desert like Volgograd.
Someone is ripping them off by bringing them to Russia without going through the legal issues (or I am stupid not to gouge my clients, also probably true).
In Georgia, the land is different. It is not suitable for Veldt farming.
Russia offers huge interest free loans for incoming corporate farmers in added value farming (milk, pigs, beef & beef & beef) but this is for corporates who will mine rather than tend the land for 49 years. Asian firms are prominent in this, indeed so much so, one questions just how much incentive they have been offered, especially in dairy.
First, everything is a laughing matter, why not? There are a few dozen Dutch farmers in south-central Slovakia, the land is cheap there, and it has worked out great. They drive home out of season and bring fresh Gouda to our markets. They politely say how they like the ‘old European feeling’, but never actually admit that they are escaping the Dutch demographic meltdown. Couldn’t be ‘racist’, right.
Second, Western media will find an angle to demonise this no matter what. Boers stay in South Africa, ‘scared after they saw what Russia is really like‘. They come, things will be rocky as they always are with migrations, the possibilities for evil-Russia stories are endless: Putin ‘stole their bibles’, locals are morose, and the damn ‘propiska’.
Third, nothing lights up a party like a few disillusioned Dutch lesbians. I say, bring them in.
OT
Quite unfortunately anti-Semitism is happening in the world:
https://m.jpost.com/BDS-THREAT/Israels-Labor-party-quits-Socialist-International-after-it-adopts-BDS-562149
Fixed.
Personal experience?
What about dual citizenship? Does the limit apply to people with dual citizenship (Russian + foreign)?
Were they disillusioned with lesbianism? Interested minds need to know.
Probably you are correct, about the ones who be interested to come. Farmers? But maybe they’re successful farmers (South Africa was historically known for farming achievements).
In general, South African immigrants have a reputation around the world as a kind of elite immigration strata.
Recall, South Africa was a country which developed nuclear weapons, won Nobel prizes in science, had elite universities, a food surplus, and a successful economy, but as a result of the chaotic political and crime situation in the 1990s, its best demographics want to emigrate.
I was reading a article recently about the UK, has a shortage of computer science graduates, and as a result it is now receiving thousands of computer scientists from South Africa.
Articles like:
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/calling-south-african-engineers-australia-wants-you/
One has to ask however how this is a good idea long term? If white South Africans can get citizenship for $100 000, then eventually blacks will want in as well. When Western Europe succumbs to its camp of the saints, then eventually the black hordes will turn their gaze on other locations, bribing some Russian officials means that they can also reduce the price of entry as well.
Once you open the door by just the tiniest amount it becomes impossible to ever close it again, this may not occur in the next five years or so, but by 30 years the pressure for blacks to enter the remaining white lands will be overwhelming, granting citizenship based on only the salary they earn is a very bad idea, either you make it explicit that it means whites only or don’t do it at all.
How do you mine farmland? I assume you mean added value farming in that the primary sales product will be beef or pork, with the main plant produce used for fodder? What about exotics that fetch higher prices in theory, such as kiwi or management of apiaries?
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All hail Duterte Harry?
https://m.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2154392/draft-constitution-proposes-giving-philippine-president
The soil needs to be cultivated in a way which won’t deplete it completely. Monoculture (especially extreme monoculture) and some industrial farming methods result in very high yields… for a while. But after a while the soil gets depleted or completely washed away and it won’t be good for anything.
That is nothing compared to being a journalist or “dissident” in Putlerreich tho. Blue checkmarks keep repeating that, so it must be true.
Russia does not allow dual citizenship. It is necessary to produce a certificate of renunciation to become a Russian citizen.
plenty of hard working Ukrainians tilling the Russia soil too.
Looks like Ukrainians will be replaced by Boers. That’s what you get for being so recalcitrant and unreliable.
How about alpacas? Is there any steppe left, or is all parking lots? Oh! Oh! Mink farms!
See @reiner Tor for mining.
Kiwi needs a glass house. This is only possible with sanctions protection. Russian winters are severe and hydrocarbon prices are high. Even in the 1990’s when they were low, soviet era glass houses went broke. The new ones are a huge waste of capital and will be out of business when counter sanctions end – originally scheduled for 2019. I am looking at Zambian tomatoes but a minimum of £15,000 to move a refridgerated container.
Russia already has a strong artisan apiculture industry. There are some commercial farms in the Urals and around Lake Baikal and other places with a reputation for clean environment. Usually, honey is sold in covered markets local to production. That said, Mead is a popular drink in Russia rather on the scale, perhaps slightly less, of cider in England and Wales.
Well, since you ask, I knew a Dutch girl who switched teams at Erasmus in Rotterdam and they knew how to party. Must be the herring and echte butter… Kuban will never be the same.
There’s nothing like this in the report.
This is just something added by a social media uploader to try to appeal to Westerners.
The message English-language websites related to Russia, is aimed at appealing to Westerners, and follows Soviet era strategy of appealing for “disenfranchised” groups and relating to fashionable topics in the West.
You can experience this also with Russia Today – it has developed its own, kind of unique ideology, which has already little relation to domestic media.
Like settlement of Volga Germans. Nice.
This is not strategy but tactics, IMO. Think of it as the vanity of politicians being stroked. Make X country look bad. Make our country look good. In this case X is the EU.
They would be smart to actually have a strategy: be oppositional to the BBC and other state news outlets. It would grow their audience. Difficult task though, since state news is organically leftwing.
http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-03.htm
My father is such a dual citizen.
I should not have expected something else from the perfidious Albion.
Successful businessmen indulge in farming in Russia as elsewhere. A friend of mine fell for the ostrich pitch. (Wanted to fall I think). Alpaca, like Ostriches need supporting infrastructure of demand for meat, demand for by products, vets, licenced slaughterhouses, fodder suppliers, barn builders. You can’t just buy a pair of Alpacas. You need to invest in the whole supply chain.
Could you please elaborate on this, as well as what your conception of ‘leftism’ is?
Unfortunately, they also undermine their credibility by pushing unlikely conspiracy theories,
If the shoe fits …
Not in administrative practice.
Here is another example of a constitutional right that is not available in real life.
“Citizens of the Russian Federation shall have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, hold rallies, meetings and demonstrations, marches and pickets.”
In Russia, the migration service should register you where you chose to stay, according to the constitution. In practice you have 7 days to register with permissions and paperwork satisfactory to the local Migration Service whose rules vary by Oblast.
What about all those people with Russian passports from other republics?
Yeah, I’m gonna stick to something safe and stable like the chinchilla business.
I had Volga German sites in mind wit Protestant Church sites to boot. That history unsettled the Afrikaners.
I am not entirely sure, but I think that while Russians are allowed to have foreign passports, the process of naturalisation requires one to give up their old citizenship to acquire Russian citizenship.
Although since it says ‘international agreements with RF’ perhaps it depends on the country?
And fur is no longer in fashion with young women. That’s happened in the last 5 years. Can’t be given away now. I’ve tried.
Maybe, but they’d be on reservations anyway if they hadn’t succumbed to disease and weren’t slaughtered in war. Our Founders weren’t squeamish about calling a savage a “savage” and had firsthand experience with them. From our Declaration of Independence and cut/pasted from Takimag’s Jim Goad article on the subject:
http://takimag.com/article/those_poor_helpless_indian_savages_jim_goad
That’s allowed. Like Medevedev handing out Russian passports to South Ossetians. Most big Russian Consulates have resettlement teams to bring them back. However, ethnic Russians from the Donbass who do not have Russian passports find migration difficult. Non CIS citizens have to renounce.
You are correct.
Russian citizens can acquire foreign citizenships with abandon (though this precludes them from certain careers in the state sector).
To become a Russian citizen, you must renounce all your former citizenships.
I know several expats who would very much like to become Russian citizens, but unfortunately, Finnish and Austrian citizenships are too valuable to just toss away, even with the best will in the world.
PS. This is of course a very stupid law that needs to be abolished ASAP. Qualified foreigners w/out a criminal record who have some level of proficiency with Russian should be allowed to become citizens. I believe that Russia should also sell citizenships, like most of the civilized world does. I would love for Russia to become a refuge for and benefit from Western crooks. They will be portrayed as victims of Western human rights abuses, just like their Russian counterparts gallivanting around London. Shkreli did nothing wrong!
That’s happened in the last 5 years. Can’t be given away now. I’ve tried.
I don’t understand how these monumental changes take place so quickly. Not only that, I haven’t read anyone who really understands how it happens.
It’s FAR easier for the media to overlook a few thousand tortured, mutilated, and murdered farmers than to ignore the entire white population of South Africa exterminated like so many Tutsis.
Why do you think anybody would listen to the Boers after they’ve reached safety in Russia? Who, besides us deplorables, is listening now? Who listened when whites were slaughtered and chased out of Rhodesia (or any other post-colonial white outpost of civilization)?
Finnish and Austrian citizenships are too valuable to just toss away, even with the best will in the world.
Some of us note that ‘Murican citizenship is not in this list.
More that I just forgot, though I shouldn’t have, since one of the persons described by this is an occasional commenter on this very blog!
Of course American citizenship can be inferior in that the US makes impudent and insane claims on your earnings. And doesn’t give you Schengen access.
Great news if true (but I suspect it’s not). SA will never find peace until the Boer stranglehold is loosened. Apartheid ended but they still control most of the land and economy. Let Russia worry about them and good luck to Russia. Soon they’ll be demanding an independent Boer republic and special language and cultural privileges. And they’ll need serfs but serfdom ended long ago.
One person the Boers won’t run into is Anatoly Karlin, who claims to live in Russia but we know that’s not true.
the US makes impudent and insane claims on your earnings
Frigging commies.
Just checked out their latest. I see Anglin’s been Thorfinnssoned:
OY VEY!
Except they are not being killed all at once like the Tutsis, rather they are being driven out through slowly increasing pressure (even the land confiscation decree was only passed recently despite years of agitation from the ilks of the Economic Freedom Fighters).
Although it is kind of anecdotal, the first time I heard of the ethnic cleansing of Russians* during the Tajik civil war was from reading stories of refugees who had ended up in America.
At the very least there might be increased awareness among the Russian populace of the Boers’ situation.
And even if there isn’t, at least they might form a reliable bloc similar the way the Algerian pied-noirs became a loyal Front National bloc in the South of France after they were ethnically cleansed by the Arabs.
*Although I don’t think any of the Tajik factions were explicitly targeting Russians, the effect was the same.
It claims to be:
Though yes, it certainly doesn’t look official. Probably something semi-official. (Translating all this stuff isn’t an entirely trivial undertaking. And if it’s unsanctioned, the channels in question would find it easy to take it down).
My Dear Okechukwuyusha,
I eagerly await to see pictures of your splendid apartment in the bustling downtown of Lagos.
Sincerely,
Your Dear Friend.
Certain professions attract people with certain psychological predilections. Actors tend to be leftwing, and so Hollywood is leftwing. It is more leftwing than just the sum of its parts, since the group ostracizes, but I still consider it organically leftwing, or put another way, it is self-organizing.
News is quite similar, IMO. There is a natural bias in the political orientation of people wanting to be in the media. For example: let’s say it is 60:40. State news is another filter, making it 80:20. The difference comes partly from the esteem the state is held in. State news is upheld as unbiased, since it is not commercial. I knew a guy who wore a Che T-shirt who praised the BBC, while ridiculing other news for their biases.
I’d suggest there is parallel between them both: they are professions that seek audiences, and anything that does is likely to have a leftward bias. Regarding the news, the best test of whether it is true is simple observation. I can’t think of a single rightward state-news outlet.
My theory about leftism: at base it is mainly hereditary. Think of it as being highly polygenic, like height or intelligence. Only, it differs greatly from those traits because it is more about interpersonal psychology, and so can manifest itself in radically different ways, depending on the environment or culture.
It is an evolved group-based power-dynamic survival strategy. It evolved to harness greater numbers as a force multiplier, against the individual or against smaller groups. Mostly to redistribute resources.
Leftists readily galvanize before a leader or the state – it is about organizing the group.
They signal each other in countless ways – organizing the group.
Tend to be more verbal – organizing the group.
They tend towards xenophilia and loose sexuality – growing the group.
They tend to impulsivity – necessary for group action.
The problem as I see it is that the strategy wasn’t evolved to operate in the modern world. Xenopihilia in the old days might have meant accepting in the members of some defeated clan that had been dispossessed of their hereditary land in a nearby province, if you could feed them. There were a lot of natural checks and balances that have been removed. Somalis on jetplanes fed by taxes aren’t the same as a the remnants of some decimated clan of one’s countrymen making a deadly, two-hundred mile trek through snow and freezing temperatures, and you needing to have a surplus in order to accept them.
SA will never find peace until the Boer stranglehold is loosened.
Then we will see the economic miracle of Zimbabwe re-created.
Three Brooklyn Democrats: Sam Seder, Michael Brooks and Virgil Texas talk about how stupid and/or shameful White fears of demographic replacement is. They talk about Pat Buchanan, Zulus, White farmers in South Africa and the use of their plight to rally the alt-right.
About half of my primary school teachers were South African, both Boer and Anglo
No, you do not want to have people with multiple citizenships. If Austrians and Finns do not want to give up their original citizenships it just means they are not a good material to be Russian citizens.
A third in-between possibility should be offered: a permanent resident visa that could be revoked upon (1) conviction in criminal trial and (2) engaging in activities intended to hurt Russia’s national interest.
They are disproportionately Anglo, but there are still many Afrikaners living in London. Also lots of Jews from South Africa.
I agree, Tajiks are much better material.
Like the economic miracle after the czarist era in Russia? How many millions died of famine? With revolution comes a period of transition and dislocation, but it doesn’t last forever. Unfortunately, the revolution in South Africa was stillborn. But the sooner the Boer dead-enders depart the sooner they can go about the business of building their nation.
I do have grave reservations about this news. Russia styles itself a serious country and no serious country is going to align itself with “white genocide” conspiracy theorists and propagandists. Besides, Russia’s allies in South Africa won’t take kindly to being accused of genocide and Russia also styles itself as a champion of diplomacy. It won’t throw one of its few allies under the bus.
Interesting comment
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Yes currently , story is simply that one South African delegation went on vacation to visit around Stavropol, in which they said they were interested in becoming farmers in the area (and according to different articles, mentioned, this delegation said 20 families or 30 families could be interested).
In other words, no actual story yet, beyond a repeat kind of event as in your own story.
But the journalists find it interesting for national news this time. Perhaps the latter fact, results that the authorities will be motivated to give them some kind of better deal, that incentivizes them to actually come this time.
When Nigeria’s economy outpaces yours, you know your country is fracked. Even if Nigeria has Indian-tier per capita, and is on its own spectacular, post-apocalyptic implosion course.
But the real question is, when will the Bantu go home? Lagos only needs a few more million to reach 100 million by 2100. Of course, I’m talking about just one city. The more proper scale for the country is 1 billion. And any of them could be the next Einstein. It will be such a vibrant, space-faring, next “China of Africa” place. You should return, Oakie, so your grandchildren don’t miss out on being part of the great Nigerian superpower that will be.
Do not change the subject. How many passports do you have? Are you a good material to be a citizen of Russia or America or whatever? You want to be the citizen of the world, right? You do not like borders for yourself but like to advocate them for others? On which passport did you travel to Portugal, Belgium, Rumania…?
Unless you are Steven Seagal. Presumably they made an exception for him.
I plan on immigrating to Russia myself someday, and would prefer to do so as a citizen rather than legal permanent resident (how hard is it to obtain the Russian equivalent of a green card?), but not if it means giving up US citizenship.
So far as I know you’re not a family member, nor a close friend, nor somebody who has done me some great favor, nor even a contributor to my financial accounts, to demand answers to such questions.
I don’t see the appeal of Steven Seagal. I’m not sure he ever made a good movie either.
Yes it looks like some kind of officially funded project (to build this English youtube channel), but the German Reader was laughing about the controversial tabloid style title added to the upload.
I was saying that the title is written by the person uploading the videos, which is a social media manager, who is aiming to write something dramatic or controversial to get otherwise uninterested Western audiences to click on it. (Job performance of social media manager is based on whether you receive clicks: if the video receives 100,000 views, he’s doing a good job – if it gets only 20 views, time to find a new social media people).
Editorial intention of the report itself (which is not made for foreigners to watch), is not to talk about a genocide in the government’s important BRICS ally South Africa – but rather to boast about the fact that even these developed, white people are wanting to come to live in Russia.
but it doesn’t last forever.
RE: Zimbabwe
How many years do you think it will take?
demand answers – No, these were rhetorical questions. I am making point not asking questions. Listen, I just pointed out that your idea of letting people keep 2nd citizenships was not sound. To which you misdirected with Tajiks BS perfectly knowing you were not addressing the issue. So I had to bring the issue of citizenship back to the center and making it a personal issue for you was the best way. You reacted predictably, i.e., very defensively like a kid with hand in the cookie jar or the jar with passports.
Getting permanent residency is pretty easy in Russia. It gives you many of the benefits of citizenship and, in practice, this is what most of the long-term expats I know here opt for.
Unfortunately there is no obvious way to get a Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship, which is something that most people would not want to do. The Finn in question mounted a serious investigation about how to do it, but unfortunately to no avail. Giving up Finnish citizenship would mean difficulties in visiting Finland, where he still has an ageing (and increasingly sick) mother. In utu’s world, he would have to risk cutting his access to her to demonstrate that he is “good material” for Russian citizenship.
Pointing out that this system:
Makes it all but impossible for skilled, Russian fluent Europeans and Americans to get Russian citizenship without giving up their original, much more valuable citizenships;
… is perfectly relevant.
Thanks. I can see it. I would prefer fixing (1) instead of relaxing (2). IMO, definitively fix (1) and provide easy way to get permanent (though conditional) resident status that would lead to citizenship (1) via naturalization upon renouncing the original citizenship and (2) in the 2nd generation already born in Russia.
Derp just bc blacks kill a lot of blacks then the fact they kill less whites means concerned whites are dorks…gtfo.
Not too far from where I live, some guy has like eight alpacas or something in his ranch. They’re cute, though I can’t imagine they take the heat well. I suspect the demand for highly priced, locally sourced alpaca yarn for SWPL craft projects is unique to the US.
Even if he had a jar of passports , it is not personally relevant to his case.
The government is very relaxed and allows you to have as many foreign citizenships (in addition to Russian one) as you want. Russia allows you to be not just dual citizen, but even triple citizen, or quadruple citizen (if you have some kind of passport fetish).
The issue is that if foreigners (people with neither Russian citizen parents or birth) want to become Russian citizens, should they not give away their foreign citizenship?
I guess Karlin thinks this is asymmetric (since Russian citizens from birth, often have other citizenships at the same time).
I would disagree, and say is sensible policy to make people who want to naturalize lose their original citizenship, so it attracts only committed foreigners to do a naturalization process.
Foreigners that want to live in Russia, can be residents, without becoming citizens, and it’s no different situation economically compared to if they were naturalized.
This seems insane. I assume the tomatoes are shipped unripened to prevent damage and later ripened with ethylene gas?
I see. Thank you.
IF I believed it were possible that the lesson may be learned (and learned well) with an exodus of white South Africans, I’d agree with you. But I guess I’m more pessimistic (and perhaps thus more realist). I’m not even sure the Boers themselves have learned the lesson.
Remove Boers!
Remove Anglos!
Remove Guptas!
Remove Bantus!
South-Africa belongs to the Khoisan!
Perhaps its just me, but the woman in the thumbnail has a strong resemblance to you.
Wow – impressive! About time.
Peace.
Ukrainains are by nature hard working survivors no matter where you find them, If I were you, I wouldn’t worry too much for their well being.
Good for them, I say we should let somebody else pick up this “prize”. Diversity is always universally a bad thing even if it comes in the form of conservative white Protestants. Culturally alien minorities are TROUBLE.
Propiska is not a problem if you have the money to buy and if you live in the place where you have the propiska, which will be their case obviously?
lol Ukrainians are lousy workers: entitled, lazy, shirking their duties, stealing everything that’s not nailed down. Arguably the worst work ethic on the planet, on par with Sub-Sahara Africa. And a corresponding level of GDP. 😉
It would not surprise me if the Kremlin bureaucrats were doing this just to troll the Western NGO types. I think one reason they did the “anti-gay” laws was to trigger the western “human rights” leaders.
One reason they leave is because South African “Affirmative Action” laws make it all but impossible for them to work. The AA laws are basically racial quotas and I shit you not sometime they have to get immigrants to fill the slots because using whites would violate the law.
Does that apply if you are “given” citizenship from the president like Gérard Depardieu and few others were?
“Weird protestant sect”
The Dutch Reformed church is, besides the Mormon church, the only Christian denomination which manages to inspire whites to plus above TFR2.0. Even in the Netherlands(!). They’re replacing the liberals, albeit slowly. (And they tend to be pro-Russian for cultural reasons)
So, weird. Maybe. But it will grow for sure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4875064/
I don’t believe it. Without the apocalyptic plagues, American Indians would quickly take up Western government practices, Western technology and Western religion. History shows that Indians were some of the quickest people to assimilate Western culture. (Unlike Africans.) Also, they’d definitely be Roman Catholic, not Protestant. Also, there would be a lot of them — Western civilization + American food = population growth.
A modern USA that is 50% Roman Catholic Native is an interesting alternative history timeline to explore.
I’d guess the blacks would be shipped back to Africa in that timeline, though. Can’t imagine the native constituency tolerating an African underclass.
I’d also imagine lots more ‘state rights’ in that timeline — even with a unified USA, the natives would probably want to leave more room for remnants of tribal traditions.
All in all, probably a better timeline than this one.
You wouldn’t know a Ukrainian if one bit you in the ass, you stupid clown.
(Ukrainians are many things, but definitely not “hard-working”. Wily and crafty, rather.)
What about UK tabloids? Along with the mindless celebrity gossip and clickbait headlines some of them (e.g. the Daily Mail) don’t mind showing pictures of Africans flooding European beaches and complaining about ‘Romanians’ if it gets them views.
While Anglosphere and Western European state media is comfortablely Liberal, there are well-known Liberal private newspapers and TV stations that are even more Liberal e.g. The Guardian is usually far more Liberal than the relatively anodyne and pernicious BBC.
Of course the journalists who work at state media may hold more radical Liberal views than what they present on the programmes.
It is a shame Spain got so much of the Americas. I think the Latin American region would be more interesting culturally today if countries like France and the Netherlands had left a larger cultural legacy there.
You think France or Netherlands would have genocided the natives in a more thorough manner?
I think the imposition of European culture by colonial governors and settlement from Europe by the French or Dutch would have had the same cultural effect eventually.
That is the thing. That is GDP for the entire population. White SA have a GDP per cap of 35,000 and that is not even adjusting for PPP or cost of living. Another thing is despite the fact that SA has a shit hole crime rate that is not everywhere and most whites outside of the farmers and some rural areas live in communities with crime rates lower then Russia’s. It would be a hard sell for most of them but for the farmers it makes good sense. The SA white farms are some of the best in the world and Russia is a country with a neglected agriculture industry. Now if the Kremlin bureaucrats had some come sense then they may pay the Southern African Farmers(Not just SA but also Zimbabwe[formerly Southern Rhodesia then just Rhodesia] and Namibia[formerly South West Africa] and some others) to settle on Russian farm land.
Here is an example of Southern African farmers doing well after being kicked out.
https://youtu.be/5_Ym0M31MpE
No, they can keep their old one.
Like this guy.
https://global.handelsblatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Stefan-Duerr-PR.jpg
It’s far from perfect but improving each year. Propiska is not a priori a problem, but needs to be reformed. The big problem is that there is no way to force a landlord to register you. Germans have a good solution to this: you go to the Buergeramt with your rental contract and they register you on the spot. The Russian government should adopt such a system, since it will enable them to see who is failing to pay taxes on rental income.
In the meantime, there is a workaround for people on visas: anyone can register you at the local post office for the duration of your visa. This takes fifteeen minutes if you have all of the documents in order.
OT but why are in commenters so triggered by Pakistani groomers but do not seem to have the same level of apprehension about grooming and pedophilia and pederasty by the LGBT community? Is it because LGBTs are not Muslim so people here do not care? Or because the MRA movement and MGTOW movement has a very very large number of closet homosexuals? I mean how many articles have you seen by Unz columnists talking about the pederasty and pedophile problem within the LGBT community, or how many gays are groomed in their teens by older gays?
Praise God, and thank you Russia. We have been so concerned for these people and have been praying for them. Russia is the answer to our prayers. They will assimilate well in your culture and be very good, hard working citizens.
There are many people that are beginning to realise that Russian Christian roots are outworking in the goodness of that nation. It is becoming a light to the decadent west. We love you Russia and pray for God’s protection upon you.
So how do you make Russia’s economy grow at 5 percent or 6 percent per year, is it basically a given that China’s per capita GDP will exceed Russia’s, or can the Kremlin raise the Russian economie’s long run GDP growth rate enough to prevent this from happening?
Doubtful. Remember what the French did to Haiti? Basically, for your vision to materialise French colonial authorities would have to stop acting like French.
That’s false. Boers are very attached to the land and nation that they built. I’ve seen interviews with Boers who’ve had a chance to emigrate to Europe and elsewhere but can’t bring themselves to leave. . They’re some of the world’s best farmers and would succeed as farmers wherever they settled (if they ever choose to leave).
But Haiti is still rather French culturally, albeit a negrified version. And few Caribbean islands were left in good shape by any European power.
Also remember that not everything the Spanish conquered was as densely populated with Amerindians as Southern Mexico and Peru so the French would not have needed to match Spanish terror methods to culturally convert say, the Southern Cone.
That’s one way of putting it lol
IMO the only practical solution for the problem of Russian bureaucracy is to minimise the number of situations where a citizen has need of its services. Instead of trying to reform propiska system, it should be eliminated altogether.
I wouldn’t worry too much for their well being.
1) Unless I am misinformed they are sitting on some of the best agricultural land in the world and I worry about the fate of this land whether it is in my state, my country or some other nation.
2) Ukrainians, like Europeans in general, keep dragging Uncle Sam into their disputes and I would like to stay out of some of them.
for SWPL craft projects is unique to the US.
We truly live in an age like no other. I know of a gentleman farmer and wife that make and sell artisan cheese made from sheep milk. Apparently it sells per ounce as if it is gold.
OT but Trump is right about Germany and Russia:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/angela-merkel-hits-back-at-donald-trump-at-nato-summit/ar-AAzUDvJ?ocid=spartanntp
This summit is shaping up to be the most divisive in NATO’s 69-year history. Normally, NATO summits are mostly fixed in advance and proceed in an orderly fashion. Trump’s first words signaled this one was not going to be like that.
He complained that German politicians had been working for Russian energy companies after leaving politics and said this too was inappropriate. Germany was totally controlled by Russia, Trump said.
With Stoltenberg looking on uncomfortably throughout, the US president was unrelenting. “I think it is very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said. “We are supposed to be guarding against Russia, and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions dollars a year to Russia.
“We are protecting Germany, we are protecting France, we are protecting all of these countries and then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they are paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia. I think that is very inappropriate.”
He added: “It should never have been allowed to happen. Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they will be getting 60-70% of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline.
“You tell me if that’s appropriate because I think it’s not. On top of that Germany is just paying just a little bit over 1% [of GDP on NATO defense contributions] whereas the United States is paying 4.2% of a much larger GDP. So I think that’s inappropriate also.”
The US, at least, is trying to save some face as a signatory of the Budapest Memorandum in lending some support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, unlike Russia that was clearly a transgressor of its stated responsibilities outlined within the same document.
White Genocide is a very strong idea in Russia, except that they call it Russian genocide and add socialism to the list of enemies. 10’s and 10’s of millions of Russians did die in the 20th C and they look for someone to blame but they also borrow the vocabulary and ideology from the US Far Right.
Evidently the Germans are not controlled enough by Russia to want to drop sanctions, having interests with Russia does not necessarily mean a pro-Russian stance, as businessman Mittens Romney showed.
I wonder if Trump is just complaining because he wants Germany to buy more LNG from the US.
Both of my parents were Ukrainians, therefore, I had plenty of opportunity to observe their work ethic firsthand. Many of my neighbors and friends in the community that I lived in were Ukrainians too, professional people, businessmen, and responsible workers of the factories of a bygone era.
So I’m wondering, exactly what ethnic group spawned a useless fabricator of lies and unsubstantiated malicious characterizations? If’ I were you, I’d go back and slide beneath the rock that you came from!
It depends on the season. In high season (Russian Winter – the only time prices might take it) they are prepacked which greatly reduces damage. The supermarket buyers have strict rules about lifetime. They don’t want to do any ripening which means that they must reach Russia at the right moment.
Distributors will buy green and ripen but they will also try and cut me out.
Don’t make me laugh, you clown! It was Russia that rode into Ukraine in 2014 and annexed (stole) the Crimea from Ukraine, and is still trying to rip off the Donbas too, for which the industrialized part of the world has penalized Russia by slapping on sanctions which are still in place today, Bozo! Russia is a pariah and a menace to the world’s security, and is steadily plummeting downhill.
Until Andrew Jackson dispossessed them by altering the law to take them from owners of their land to occupiers, the 5 civilized tribes, particularly the Cherokee were more or less indistinguishable from other slave owning plantation owners. They were largely Protestant so far as I recall. Lots of Scottish influence.
No…. It means that trying to equate living in a violent country with being subject to genocide looks hysterical. Also it’s a fool’s errand to try to garner sympathy from the outside world, which will never forgive Afrikaners for apartheid. They need to either leave or try to carve out their own state.
In Russia, Ukrainians do not have the reputation of being either particularly hard-working or lazy. Ukrainians are seen as no less hardworking than Russians. They are considered higher quality, more skilled workers than central Asians, but also crafty, requiring people who hire them to be careful.
Ukrainians don’t have a reputation in Poland of being lazy, either.
And yet, during the referendum, the Chief Producer of BBC News led daily with stories that conflated Syrian refugees, illegal economic migrants from Asia and Africa crossing the Mediterranean to Greece and Italy, a camp of illegals at Calais and migration within Europe. These groups were all deliberately confused. Such news stopped on the day of the referendum. This clearly delivered the vote to Leave. Said Producer has since been sacked.
LOL, that must be why people in Russia who can afford not to deal with Central Asians use Ukrainians to remont their properties.
Since you live there, what do you think about America? Do you think that the US plays a constructive role in the world today?
In Eastern Europe, Germany has a reputation of being Russia’s Trojan Horse. Trump is saying what Eastern Europeans have been saying for years.
It’s probably both. It’s nice when geopolitical interests and economic interests are aligned. That having been said, Trump is right – if Russia really is a rival or threat, why pay them billions and billions when instead these billions can be paid to an ally and protector who has allowed you to save a lot of money because they took on your defense responsibilities?
And do you feel that that negative stereotype is warranted for the vast majority of the millions of Ukrainians that live in Russia? And how about how Ukrainians perceive Russians in Ukraine? I’m asking you, because you’ve lived in both countries.
Russia is a menace to Eastern European security but globally speaking the US has caused far more havoc than has Russia, in the last few decades. What Russia has done in Ukraine is terrible and the Russian state is responsible for more deaths of Europeans in the late 20th/early 21st century than any other state. But it pales in comparison to Syria, Libya, Iraq.
Also, Russia is hardly plummeting downhill. Ironically, Russians believe the same fairy-tales about Ukraine that many Westerners believe about Russia.
That may still have been true in the 1980s (but back then the Europeans also spent more on defense and had conscription-based armies), but today it’s a ridiculous claim. US security policy for the past 30 years has been about striving for permanent global American hegemony and Mideast wars that have killed hundreds of thousands and displaced millions…none of that has any connection to German interests, so sorry, no reason to be grateful for that.
A new Cold war-style confrontation with Russia also isn’t in German interests which aren’t and shouldn’t be identical to those of Poles, US nationalists and various East European immigrant communities in the US with grievances against Russia.
That being said, Germany should certainly spend much more on its armed forces, it’s a necessary precondition for telling American forces to finally leave Germany.
Sorry, could you please clarify your point? Are you saying the BBC was biased in favour of Leave or in favour of Remain?
i always assumed so – speaking of which….
PUTIN!!!!
while you’re at it domed farming in the far north please – Boers are the perfect people to test it out
https://www.fastcompany.com/3067899/this-wonderfully-warm-biodome-will-let-icelanders-escape-their-cold-bleak-winters
I general yes: the business of America is business. Being a force for business development is good for the world, wherever it is. As far as Ukraine is concerned, I think that the US as a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum is making some right steps, but it could always do more. I do, however, question the US meddling incessantly in the Mid East and question some of its military operations there.
When it comes to first-hand knowledge, versus stuff taken from the media, stereotypes tend to have some truth in them. In Russia, if you want to hire people who will do a good job, go with Ukrainians or perhaps Moldovans. But be careful because these people are clever or savvy enough to overcharge if they can get away with it. I know examples of this happening with Ukrainians. Excellent work, but over budget and upon investigation unnecessarily so.
Here in the USA I hire Poles and Ukrainians to do renovations. Unfortunately, many Americans who do this stuff nowadays have opioid problems. Who wants a junkie in their house?
There aren’t people from Russia in Ukraine; native Russians don’t have much of any reputation. People from Donbas had a reputation as being crude and criminal. In Kiev a few years before the war there was a sign in one of the passages under the street – “do not urinate here, this is not Donetsk.” The war has made people bitter, but before the war Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia was similar to that of Canadians towards the USA – Russia is more violent, Russia is dirtier, less “European”, people are brainwashed etc. Kiev has more litter in the streets than does Moscow, but locals told me – sorry about the litter, but you must be used to it, living in Moscow (OTOH, Ukrainian villages really are much cleaner and better put together than Russian ones).
I haven’t met any Ukrainians but I doubt their work ethics are much different from Russians, Byelorussians or Lithuanians.
I think the Ukraine’s post-Soviet economic problems are due to oligarchs there not figuring out that a lifetime’s supply of eggs are more valuable than one chicken dinner.
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This is current information, as of May 2018. And clearly the vast majority of Russia’s economy is still directly tied to commodity prices, a very dangerous situation for the future. So, if not plummeting then I guess ‘stagnating’ might be a better term.
https://internationalbanker.com/finance/russias-economic-recovery/
My wife and I subsidize an older couple from Ukraine who have settled in Russia. It’s a kind of neighborly make work program. In a few years. we hope to employ them and their friends as we develop 6 sotok.
A few times in the past we had a local Tajiki lady do some cleaning and soup cooking, but she couldn’t wrap her head around Orthodox fasting.
But Germany’s and various East European nations’ national interests are not necessarily the same.
In contrast to Poland or the Baltics, Germany has much more to fear from America than Russia.
America and East Europeans demanding German ‘solidarity’ on Russian matters doesn’t make much sense, any more than Berlin invoking ‘solidarity’ when demanding that East Europeans follow the will of Berlin.
There is a big difference between stagnating and plummeting. But Russia’s slight growth isn’t even stagnating.
I was in Moscow this spring and I saw no evidence of economic hardship; no one I knew experienced it, and it wasn’t evident by the look of the streets (busy stores and restaurants, etc.). Devaluation of the ruble made things a bit cheaper. Same experience in Lviv when I visited last summer, just things were even cheaper.
i would be surprised if the US didn’t have embedded spec ops to call in air/artillery strikes with the rebel groups along the Israeli border and they may have needed evac after the recent push in the Golan but those groups are as much a proxy merc army as jihadists.
I would believe this for Galicia (for the historical reasons you’ve discussed before), but it is definitely at odds with my (limited) experiences of central Ukraine.
What I’ve seen is pretty bad. A German reporter coaching a jobless Afghani to call native Germans racists and blame his problems on them. A BBC reporter verbally sparring with a Hungarian politician and telling him they must take in anyone who comes to Hungary. On American Public TV, I once saw them present a series of gay, nude (but from an angle) S&M photos. I only saw one, but could tell it was a series from the dialogue. The image is still burned in my brain. If I were tasteless, I would describe it, for shock value. They thought it was art. That was in the 1990s. PBS, or its local affiliate. Another thing I remember is them calling the anti-busing advocates racists. meanwhile, the public radio programs in America make me think of Communism.
I’ve come to the conclusion that state media inevitably becomes evil. Granted, in WW2 the BBC hosted a bunch of talks by CS Lewis on Christianity, I think it is just about absolutely true in a diverse society created from a white Christian substrate. Russia being a kind of federation might be said to be such a place, but it could be that technology and easy living is the real catalyst.
Another kind of weird thing is their insistence on tax money. In the US, all the main productions are paid for by foundations or corporate sponsors. That’s even before donations. I know distribution costs something, as well as local programing and studios, but they should really just upload everything to Youtube. The Anglosphere is pretty gigantic, I don’t see the need for any tax-financed programming.
The Guardian is certainly more leftist than the BBC. Probably mainly derives from a legacy of directives, which is another factor in the mix. Also, a weakness of state news. It’s banner has condescending nannyism written all over it. But I think it isn’t as naturally evil, since it doesn’t have the same footprint, or number of employees. There’s something just weird about state media, how so many try to maintain a global footprint. And in places like Africa or Arab countries.
I’m not quite sure how to classify the British tabloids. Showing a machete-wielding Nigerian attacking a car in London is just a good attention-grabbing image. I think they are otherwise perhaps center-left. I recall some story on two mulatto sisters, one of whom due to gene shuffle looked white.
Correct. This doesn’t contradict the idea that Germany is Russia’s Trojan horse in Europe.
If the USA were led by a Clinton or a Kamala, allying with Merkel and pushing massive refugee settlement, than yes. I am not sure that this is true of a Trump-led USA.
It does if you consider Germany to be an ally and partner rather than rival and if Germany wants to be seen as an ally and partner.
Galician ones are cleanest and neatest of all. But the ones in central Ukraine were still neater than the ones I saw in Russia. The villages outside Moscow populated by locals rather than dacha-owners (dacha areas are very nice) were awful.
very important point
Russia should copy a version of what England did after the Black Death – keep the land state owned but sub-divide into family farms with 100 year leases, renewable by a child of the original lease holder for another 100 – that way people put the work in the improve the farm cos they know their kids will benefit but the land can’t be sold off to a foreign agri-business
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A few months ago you told us how it was a great idea for Poland to demand WW2 reparations from Germany and how all the pre-war German territory Poles got just wasn’t enough.
Sorry, from a German point of view it would be very stupid to get dragged into East Europeans’ revanchist projects against Russia. All the more so since there isn’t even a credible Russian threat against Poland either (Baltic states may be another matter).
It’s not like these Ukrainian oligarchs came from Mars, you know, they are flesh and blood of the “Ukrainian nation”.
You may not fully appreciate just how profoundly disfunctional the country is, trailing Egypt in per capita GDP.
It’s curious that France has maintained it’s link.
A pity some of these uninhabited islands like Reunion were not settled entirely by whites. It would have been interesting to have more geographic isolates.
I wonder what Haiti would be like, without French radio. I’ve heard that’s how they refine their French.
That was a great anti-Merkel rhetorical trick. Actually seeking them would be going to far, but at the level of rhetoric, current globalist situation – it is laudable.
NATO is poised to become a diversity-Warsaw Pact. I’d advise all to leave.
I wouldn’t quite call it a “very strong” idea, but yes, we Russian nationalists are doing a lot to make that a reality.
In my ideal future there will be Museums of the Russian Genocide beneath what used to be Lenin’s Mausoleum and in cities across the world. Much like how the Jewish Museum & Center of Tolerance graces Moscow today – so lame to tell the story of others’ holocausts, but not your own.
Sounds like a good idea. They could be like Volga Germans. I have heard that lots of Koreans have also taken up farming in European Russia.
It will be interesting to see if the Boers can handle the climate. I know a couple of Saffas who skipped out of England after their first winter. Western Australia seems to be their preferred destination.
Boers are not “based” in my experience, but I also question how realistic the 4chan expectations are. They are just people trying to survive; they tend to be extremely cynical if there is any specific personality trait I would associate with them, often perceiving the entire world as having betrayed them, including their own elite.
Time in Africa seems to have impacted their character: in the positive, to be fairly daring and having a specific appreciation for the moment and the present. In the negative, for becoming more comfortable with corruption and dysfunction(esp. homocide) in society.
They were fond of Russian criminal organizations in SA, which I can understand as those are at least more reliable than the chaos elsewhere; hopefully this does not extend within the borders of Russia, though.
I was speaking from the US perspective.
But sure, if Germany wants to pretend to be Poland’s partner, this is also not good.
Why should other countries care about that?
Seems very unlikely.
the majority of people evolved to be conformist cos it made evolutionary sense
(i.e. if previous generations survived by doing x then carry on doing x)
what they conform to is decided by the dominant moral authority which used to be church, parents, village elders etc
however the current dominant moral authority in the West is the TV
(which is how the West became culturally poisoned)
I’m guessing Galician, not Ukrainian.
Yeah, “Ukrainian”, just like the “Irish” residents of Boston. Don’t make me laugh.
At the end of the day, Trump is still driving a huge wedge into the NATO alliance. It will of course be an extremely bad outcome for Russia if he actually does somehow manage to shoehorn France and Germany into the Polish/Baltic vision of what the European security posture should look like (everyone spending at least 2% of GDP on the military, forward bases near the Russian border, continued strong American military presence, cancellation of Nord Stream 2, more and more overt support for the Ukraine, etc.), but considering all the issues he’s been triggering them on – Iran, climate change, trade – that seems unlikely.
Well, the Jews have financed Holocaust museums in cities all around the world. I want to learn from the Jews, since I’m one of the biggest philo-Semites around (Glossy would confirm).
OT: but got a good laugh from this https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1016878055401418752
They were the local Sovok elite. Yanukovich wasn’t even an ethnic Ukrainian.
Not nominal. Egypt $2,413, Ukraine $2,640.
In terms of PPP, then yes. Egypt $11,583, Ukraine $8,667. Egypt also beats Georgia and Armenia.
Fur is out.
Locally sourced goat cheese is in.
It all can feel extremely random and silly at times. But its interesting seeing the social pressure, especially among women; I remember when we were dating, my wife would take the moment to inform me that everything leather I had was made from “murder” and anything that smelled of leather “smelled of murdered cows.”
Same goes for a number of other women I knew, even in the 2000s(I’m an artist and I would sometimes draw a woman in furs; this would invariably attract criticism for “encouraging fur use”). Internet virtue signaling, I guess; the caring principle, magnified by social media.
My samples, of both Russian and Ukrainian villages, might be non-representative. Can you be more specific about the villages you saw outside Moscow? For example, on which elektrichka line or which region? (Sorry that I myself can’t be more specific about my Russian sample. I think I’m the unique American in a twenty kilometre radius of my house, so I don’t want to give more details.)
Oil prices probably aren’t going to collapse a la 2014 in the near future, Russia and the Saudis have made nice
i think this is generally true even if the minority in question has net positive qualities hence why i feel it’s better done if done in specific under populated regions.
I guess you’ll need to create your own movie industry then and make movies about Russian suffering. Shouldn’t be too difficult about WW2, one could just imitate the template of Holocaust movies.
I wonder though how a Russian nationalist movie about the “genocide” of the 1990s would look like.
I don’t want to give the name of the place where our dacha is, I’ll just say east of the city. Lots of garbage, visible from the electrichka, strewn around the villages that don’t have dachas. Granted, I was last took the electrichka to the dacha in 2013.
In central Ukraine I was in Zhytomir oblast. Villages weren’t pretty (other than some churches), but they were clean. In Galicia they were like German or Polish villages, except with cheaper/poorer cars, even some horse-driven carts.
The US should be willing to take in some and I would be happy to assist as I have in the past with refugees from other countries – including some from the old Soviet Union.
A South African doctor performed the world’s first successful heart transplant
it’s the western media’s cover-up of all forms of anti-white violence which reinforces the “white genocide” meme.
Where I may be guilty of overstatement, you are guilty of understatement.
Boers are the very definition of ‘stupid’. “Let’s move to a continent inhabited solely by cannibalistic savages, we’ll be just fine! Let’s use these cannibalistic savages for cheap labor, what could go wrong? Our Faith will protect us…”
the BBC is
1) 100% pro-EU
2) 100% pro open borders
i think he’s saying the BBC’s guilt-tripping campaign over “refugees” to promote open borders had the unintended consequence of helping the Brexit vote – which is probably true
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/08/Come_and_See_%28poster%29.jpg
not what happened
it was the discovery of gold and diamonds that doomed the Boers as mining is where the demand for large amounts of cheap labor came from (ultimately the blame for this lies with the London branch of the banking mafia).
I know, I should have mentioned that…but movies about German crimes would be the easy part (there’s also an export market for that). I just wondered how Russian nationalists would deal with the “genocides” of Bolshevism and of liberalism in the 1990s.
The Right in France has noticed this story as well. Good, I hope the news spreads far and wide that the Russians care more about preserving Europe and the European diaspora than do “our” elite:
https://twitter.com/tvlofficiel/status/1017020861415649281
Perhaps, you are right.
To the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada – they arrive mainly as skilled professionals, and do not keep separate from the main population.
Cultural distance with those countries probably low already? (English was an official language of South African until 1925).
It raises level of human capital in those countries (around 1% of the total UK population are South African immigrants) without adding visibly an separate community to the countries.
Remember a couple of weeks back when I told you about my side trip to the magnificent Museum Anthropolgia in Mexico City? During my subway trip from the airport to the museum I passed the outskirts of some rough neighborhoods, but by and large I didn’t see anything that was horrendous. Yet we know that these neighborhoods contain some incredible filth and squalor. A large area around the museum was very nice, including a zoo and many other museums too. Very nice houses and apartment buildings were also to be seen. I think that you possibly could have had similar experiences in Moscow too (besides, Moscow isn’t all of Russia)? The article that I cited was based on some good solid statistical data that you need to take into consideration too along with your own possibly stinted or restricted personal views.
Slava Ukraini? Nope!
In 2017 the country trailed Algeria ($4,123), Tunisia ($3,491), Morocco ($3,007) and Sudan ($2,899). Sudan!
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=EG-UA-DZ-MA-TN-SD
The Ukraine seems have fallen behind North Africa at this point, and you know, the only region worse than North Africa is…Sub-Sahara Africa. They will be your peers from now on.
They also assumed that they would stay in control, which was not a terribly unreasonable expectation at the time, I would say.
Neither of my parents were from Galicia, although a lot of my neighbors were. The Ukrainian community did a much better job of preserving its language and culture than the Irish Americans, who had been almost completely assimilated generations earlier: Ukrainian churches, a credit union, Ukrainian Cultural center, choirs, sports teams, dancing troupes etc; etc;
Hey, Lomachenko and Usyk are kinda cool.
You’ve never been to a reservation west of the Mississippi.
Israel settles some South African immigrants in the occupied West Bank.
It looks like farming ones, not educated skilled professionals that UK receives.
They became religious spontaneously, and they seem in the West Bank in dangerous areas with the most high conflict with Arab populations.
I guess an equivalent – settling Boars in the DNR?
But in the South African context, white genocide is viewed as white supremacist propaganda which withers under minor scrutiny. When these ideas migrate from Internet cocoons to the real world they’re inevitably subjected to due-diligence, at which point slogans and catch phrases won’t do. No responsible government will associate itself with it.
South Africans who genuinely want to emigrate do a tremendous disservice to themselves if they couch their appeals in terms of an alleged genocide of white people. Any semi-competent government bureaucrat can cursorily determine this claim to be false.
As an example:
White South African family’s refugee bid rejected, accused of boosting case with ‘racist propaganda’
A government lawyer said the fear of white children being raped by blacks was highly offensive as the information the family relied on was “white-supremacist hate literature” that should be ignored.
The government also said the Endres’ claim was based on a risk of generalized crime in South Africa, meaning that it could impact almost anyone, not only those who are white or Afrikaners.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/white-south-african-familys-refugee-bid-rejected-allegedly-boosted-case-with-white-supremacist-information
And for 350 years, Stanley, it did.
Another reason for the Day of the Rake.
Speaking as an Irish-Canadian, I have to say I felt no resentment towards the organized Ukrainian-Canadian community until the Euromaidan coup. Since then, I occasionally read and hear annoying opinions about Russia coming from them. To be fair, for every annoying Uke, I hear four annoying globalists parroting the same idiocies.
Sudan no longer includes the sub-Saharan parts and has some oil.
Ukraine is ahead of Egypt, so within North African or Latin American levels in terms of nominal GDP, not close to sub-Saharan Africa (unless you mean oil states, one of which is even richer than Russia per capita). In PPP terms it is ahead of Morocco.
Of course such comparisons are silly. Ukraine has a European, not third world, level of income equality. The richest 20% if Ukrainians have 4 times as much income as the poorest 20%, same as Slovakia or Sweden. In Algeria they have 6 times as much and in Paraguay 26 times as much.
It’s not a land of shanty towns as in Latin America. More realistic is to compare it to other post-commie states. In per capita GDP PPP terms, it is a little behind Georgia and Armenia, and well ahead of Moldova, and Central Asia (other than Kazakhstan).
To me, the most surprising part of this story is that the kleptocrats who rule South Africa would allow Boer farmers to take that much money out of the country.
Heh. Let’s just say that lack of intelligence can impact criminal success.
Yes it’s accurate to say, economically Moscow is not normal for Russia.
The economic level of Moscow, is the same as rich areas of Western Europe (in per capita terms).
Statistically, Moscow’s economic level is not less than an economically wealthy area of Germany.
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Lvov on the other hand, is far poorer than any area in Western Europe, and maybe equivalent in average incomes to the poorest of Russia’s cities with over a million cities – perhaps the average income level is similar to Volgograd. (We can probably research this information if you want).
a nationalist movie on the opiode epidemic in the USA – which is more or less the equivalent of what happened in Russia – could have a pair of initially honest local journalists investigating the problem, figuring out the cause was a combination of off-shoring leading to mass hopelessness in the rust belt towns combined with sinister opiode suppliers who know it is killing thousands but don’t care cos they are making a fortune fromit so both the suppliers and the people making billions from off-shoring want the mass die-off covered up – and then the two journalists get corrupted into joining in the cover up with an offer of big-time media jobs in the capital – or for a less honest version maybe one of the journalists refuses to be corrupted and gets murdered while the corrupt one goes off to be a big-time journalist in the capital.
(although i don’t know if the Russian version of this was covered up at the time.)
So, have you thought about raising alpacas now? At least it isn’t emus.
Can’t believe anyone fell for that meme.
This can be a problem, but is improving, at least in some places. In my village, we have an energetic “deputat” who organizes subbotniki to clean up beer cans and candy wrappers in the parks, and will gather up the boys to clean up bigger problems that people call in. Already in the few years I’ve been living here, I’ve seen marked improvements. Of course, my village might be special. But in the not-so-nice provincial city where my parents-in-law live, some pensioners began gardening in front of the hideous commie blocks. It caught on and spread to nearby blocks. All it takes is someone to show others it can be done.
Anyhow, I’m glad to hear that Ukrainian villages are not too demoralized, and I wish them the best for the future.
That actually might be a good (if very depressing) movie.
in the global context it illustrates the media’s double standards over anti-white racial violence – and the more the media attempt to downplay or ignore the issue the clearer their double standard becomes.
yeah – an anti “all the president’s men”
A lot depends on cost of living, though. If you placed Lviv in Moscow it would be a very beautiful area, perhaps the nicest in the city, known for excellent restaurants, and mysteriously dirt cheap. I suspect if you placed Volgograd in Moscow it would not be considered a particularly nice part of Moscow.
Only the odd one. It’s hard when you are <10%, or even if you are an expat, living abroad to speak the truth. I hear many speak of the "thugs" that took over while, denying it is a black or white thing. I'd be curious to know what they really think.
It is quite disturbing to see the full-on South African white SJWs that exist. Especially, the Nordic, teenage women, who seem to have embraced whatever the prevailing situation is.
They almost, sort of made the movie in America. Hollywood-style, anyway.
The ueber-Mischling, kosher Schwarzenegger the Rock, was the hero, beating down the white villains with his white sidekick. It was called “Walking Tall.”
Many of them have black friends, or even family members so they can’t make it into a race thing. Spiritually, a lot of them have become pretty African. Goes beyond SJWs, during Zuma’s little crazy end run, there were a couple of white women who shilled hard for him because he was basically the Big Man of the place. At least SJWs, presumably, have some sort of ideals.
If you ever want to see tragicomedy, you should read the newspapers there and from a decade ago. As the decline continues, the writing style literally drops in grade levels. At this point, most Unz commentators probably use more vocabulary than your average Johannesburg journalist.
Ukraine’s woes are real but they are fundamentally rooted in artificial constraints.
There is a great deal of economic research on this, there are even entire schools of thought devoted to this topic. I’m not talking about development economics per se, but rather a specific approach to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_institutional_economics
Institutional factors are important, even for those of us who accept a race-realist framework. Ukraine – and North Korea – are the two great examples of this. That said, the potential is definitely there for both countries once they reform their societies. The same can not be said for the fossil-free Arab states due to genetic constraints (here I break with the institutionalist school, which demands an allegience to tabula rasa and similar nonsense. I prefer a combined approach).
On a sidenote, I will express my surprise at your seeming pathological hatred against Ukraine which borders on the obsessive. A prosperous Ukraine will be good for Russia, it will increase Ukraine/Russia trade and stabilise the region. Rich people have a lot more to lose. You seem to have a burning desire to see Ukraine poor and destabilised forever. This may please your ego but it is not a smart long-term play. I do not see what you gain from your hatred towards Ukraine. It all seems petty and silly to me.
There’s a little bit of projection going on here with Trump. The widely held notion that he is a Russian puppet or even a Russian intelligence asset despite, empirically, being tougher on Russia than his predecessors, seems to have hit a mark. Trump, however, doesn’t understand the energy markets. These are fungible international commodities that know no national borders and flow inexorably to the most profitable destination. In trade, distance is expensive. Seaborne crude oil deliveries can compete with pipeline traffic because they travel in these massive VLCC or ULCC tankers. But natural gas is another matter altogether. The infrastructure and shipping costs of LNG deliveries are substantial and not competitive.
Having said that, the main problem with the Russian energy industry is that like all third world dictatorships, the firms are owned or controlled by the state. So it becomes easier to question the motivations of Russian companies as to whether they aren’t being used to advance Russian foreign policy objectives. And it becomes easier to tie Russian entities to the actions of the Russian government. Exxon-Mobil is a private sector company, but Gazprom is the Russian government. Consequently, Exxon-Mobil can pursue its business untethered to the US government, which accords it much greater credibility and shelters it from the ill will the US often engenders. They do observe US sanctions. But then every company in the world is obliged to implement US sanctions if they want to continue doing business. That includes Russian companies. As an example, most Russian companies have avoided doing business in Crimea in observance of US sanctions.
The BBC is a very big organization. There were current affairs presenters who showed strong pro EU emotions when interviewing Leavers but by no means all. However, set against that was a large skew by some producers in selecting guest speakers. They would chose strong Europhobes and set them against half hearted government spokespeople rather than actual supporters of the EU. Also, the BBC allowed Brexit supporters to pack the audience during the important current affairs programme Question Time. The QT chairman was clearly pro EU but the guest list was strong on charismatic Leavers and the audience was routinely packed out with Leaver plants (often lying about their credentials to be included). A transmission from Oxford was classic in this instance. However, overall, in either way this was not that important. People who watch these programmes are high information types anyway.
My main point was about television news on BBC One, the main UK news programme. This systematically presented the Leave agenda in particular deliberately heightening emotion about immigration. As this was the conclusive issue for the result (and I know about the Ashcroft poll – look again) it was very significant. So bias here was decisive.
Might have been true before the invention of the AK-47 and easy-carry mortars.
All things considered, they might have been better landing after tractors were invented. The Western Cape would have still been practically uninhabited. And numbers of blacks elsewhere would have been significantly lower without white agriculture.
Alternate timeline: WWI never breaks out. European countries cooperate to send their surplus pop to South Africa.
In major cities of the Western world: Ukrainian supporters and Russian nationalists duke it out.
Ukrainians win: Holodomor Museum
Russkies win: Anti-Bolshevik Museum
Sure, you could add Lvov’s historical center to any city, and it would be considered beautiful.
By the way, Volgograd has some quite elegant Stalinist architecture and avenues, that was built and reconstructed in immediate years after the war.
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The problem in Ukraine, is not lack of existence of cities with beautiful historical centres – but the economy, and that people’s whole lives are fucked up by this economy (in comparison to people living in other places).
If visitor from outside, thinks that prices are very low in Lvov – that’s not a good indication for the local people* (although it is a good indication for the visitor).
I find Armenians hard working and trustworthy.
Also true over here. The Atlantic has to be read to be believed.
Could do without the “Heil Putler” at the end, even though it’s obviously humorous.
It may seem harmless to you, but some of us actually want to share your columns and reach new people. That kind of comment, easily portrayed as “Nazi”, will turn off some people who aren’t otherwise irredeemably close-minded / brainwashed.
In any event, it’s a prudent and compassionate move by Russia. And the more hard-working family-oriented normal white people they import like the Boers, the more attractive Russia becomes to the rest of us. (especially if it will provide some tiny number of additional English speakers, who seem very rare in Russia outside SPB and to a lesser extent Moscow — assuming that the Boers speak English and not just Afrikaans)
Families that did well in the USSR but haven’t found opportunity in the Russian Federation seem to be strong believers in this. Rather similar to Germany in the early 30’s.
The emu and ostrich fad seems to have played out, I seldom see them anymore. The alpacas seem to still be in the growth stage, I see them popping up in new places. When I was in my early teens, chinchillas were the rage. The early adopters of these fads can make a lot of money.
So, have you thought about raising alpacas now?
No. I can’t take the chance that I would join the capitalist running dog class and have to guillotine myself.
Can’t agree. The exchange rate hasn’t budged. The Forex markets don’t think the oil price rise is more than a ramp by a cartel. No substance to it. It is artificial restriction of supply rather than real demand. China’s workforce peaked 7 years ago. When the price goes, it will go as quickly as before.
I’m going to try my hand at growing corn when I have free time. Its almost certainly a terrible idea, being a wind-pollinated plant and I don’t have a huge field for it to happen naturally. Still, the notion appeals to me.
Good points. My group was looking for places for “second sons” as an insurance policy against Zimbabwean type nationalisation (there were no treaties in place when the Afrikaners trekked to Transvaal. Rhodes sometimes took the same approach) rather than rejection of life in South Africa as such. It could be regarded as overseas investment by South Africa.
They did notice that the largely Protestant Volga Germans were removed by force after 200 years in the country. It wasn’t a big factor but not a plus point either.
“Keep the land state owned”. That’s the system everywhere, though we call it private land ownership or whatever. Just try not paying your land taxes and see what happens. The state takes it and sells it to another farmer (or general landowner) who also is laboring under the delusion that he “owns” his property.
US producers control the price of all, not the Saudis or Russians. It’s a cyclical roller coaster. Price goes up and US producers jump in, uncap wells and start producing again. The market becomes over-supplied and price collapses again. US producers cap wells again and bide their time until the next round.
interesting – will have to check that out
being a wind-pollinated plant and I don’t have a huge field
I think this threat is over-blown. 🙂
I planted corn in my garden for many years, sometimes with only two rows, although I tried to make a short row block whenever I could, and I never had much of a pollination problem, maybe a few lost kernels here and there.
Of course if you are talking about making money and efficiency, a 5% kernel loss would be enough to put you out of a competitive business.
I like gardening; it ties me back to my parents and grandparents. It’s not that expensive. I bring tomatoes in for less than $20 a pound every year!
that’s because the UK conservative government was pro-EU but their voters weren’t – the only reason they held a referendum in the first place was to prevent their party splitting – it’s a bit like GOPe politicians in the US wanting mass immigration but their voters don’t so they soft-pedal it – the pro-EU government speakers were lukewarm for that reason not because the BBC chose lukewarm supporters – the BBC itself is 100% open borders, both EU and otherwise hence their propaganda during the peak of the refugee crisis having unintended consequences on the Brexit vote.
I once grew a few ears accidentally by looking after some chickens in the wintertime. They were small and probably not meant for human consumption. They grew up when the chickens were gone. I guess there was a lot of natural fertilizer there.
right – in the UK the land was still owned by the aristocrats who leased it but my main point is if you want to get the most out of people they need to know they can pass on the benefit to their kids and 100 year leases is a method that’s been proven to work.
Don’t the US and Russia have the worst income inequality in the world?
Don’t know if anyone has seen the movie Chappie. IMO, not a great plot or script, but it had a kind of interesting, if derivative theme about technology being used to pacify inner-city mayhem. But even though it was derivative, it seemed to ring truer.
Though Robocop had sort of the same idea, we’ve seen that people will simply move away from Detroit, if they are capable of it. But the same isn’t really true of African cities in Africa. Africans continue to move into them, even though they can be very violent and chaotic. There’s opportunity and the potential for profit, even in that sort of chaos. South Africa is full of private security firms, even ones hired by the police. It’s easy to imagine it becoming the bleeding-edge of pacification technology, including robots. Whether it is foreign firms making investments, or else governments like China trying to secure agricultural land, it might be the future in Africa.
What stopped Ukrainians from “reforming their society” after 2014? Or after “Orange revolution” for that matter? Reforms in the Ukraine amount to changing street names after WW2 Nazi collaborators, but if anything the country has grown even more corrupt under new Maidanist regime.
There is a popular internet meme in Russia:
Kravchuk, 1991: give it 5 years, and we will live like France!
Yushchenko, 2004: give it 10 years, and we will live like Poland!
Saakashvili, 2018: give it 20 years, and we will live like we used to under Yanukovich.
A true reform will come to the Ukraine, when it’s reincorporated back into Russia, ideally without Galician crazies – you, guys, can have them. 🙂
Some leases used to even be for a 1000 years – I saw one in my family once, while doing genealogical research. Don’t think any of the folks still hold it, but a 1000 years is a pretty interesting number. Gives you the idea that they were serious about their country and about legacy.
More South Africa decline
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1017102469812240384
As Mitleser linked to a couple of threads back, the US Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenfell has been cozying up to CDU cuckservatives who are just as bad as Merkel, except gayer and more supportive of American foreign policy.
And this is under the Trump administration, I doubt the next guys in charge will be better.
While Berlin is hardly blameless what with its interference in Poland’s internal affairs and the disrespect shown to America, I don’t see how the US or Poland can expect to be listened to nicely after all the bashing they give Germany over ‘muh trade’ or ‘muh reparations’.
True, also their attitude that whites there still deserve to be punished (I remember liberals essentially saying Rhodesian farmers got what they deserved).
Fundamentally, a “leftist” believes that he has been on the receiving end of a miscarriage of justice as dealt out by the established system. In his unselfconscious vanity he takes it as self evident that the cause for his failure to live up to his high opinion of himself must lie in the outer world. The leftist then is continually on the lookout for other victims with whom he forms alliances so as to strengthen his position vis a vis the flawed but all-powerful, tyrannical system. Viz., Sailer’s “coalition of the fringes”. Having been rooked by the rigged system, the Leftist feels no compunction to conform to fair standards and no remorse in soaking the beneficiaries of such a system through various means of appropriation.
A “conservative” believes the system is fundamentally just and never more so than when it strives to distribute rewards impartially, without favor, i.e. meritocratically. Also, that a “Law” that is shot through with exceptions for special interest groups is not a “Law” at all in the strict sense of the word, it is privilege and special pleading.
Conservatives invite rank ordering by objective testing; lefties hate the very concepts.
In Russia, income inequality is not so bad, while wealth inequality may be the highest in the world according the internet (but this latter not very accurately measured- just estimations by banks).
They have burned themselves seriously last time. It involved a number of bankruptcies. It’s going to take considerably higher prices to make them invest once more.
However, prices can easily collapse in case of a recession.
That’s the mechanism at $70. Over that price the active reserves are in non OPEC countries. Below that price controlling the price depends on cartel discipline. I am surprised that Venuzuela, Nigeria etc haven’t broken yet. Of course chaos in Libya and uncertainty about Iran doesn’t help.
It doesn’t matter how many times they burn themselves. New money always comes in to chase profits when oil prices rise. Also, American producers voluntarily reduce production when prices fall below a certain threshold. They lay off workers, shed assets, get lean and hunker down while waiting for the next inevitable boom. It’s a strategy they have honed to perfection. It also provides a windfall to the savvy investor.
The companies that go bankrupt were either operating on a shoestring or they were poorly managed. The real players simply scoop up their assets at fire sale prices. An oil company that is holding assets that are in the ground is not likely to go bankrupt whatever the vagaries of the market. Trading and service companies are the ones that feel the most pain in a bear market. Also, investments are made on a very long time horizon of 10, 20 years. Within that time you will have multiple boom/bust cycles. In other words, they don’t have to look for new money when prices collapse because the investments have already been made.
Yes and no. Many American producers can produce very profitably at half that price. It depends on where their assets are, how well they’re run, what grade of oil they’re producing, whether they’re pumping legacy wells or initiating new production and so on. If you’ve ever visited an oil production tank battery you’ll notice that there’s usually no one there. It’s automated to a very large degree. This keeps costs down, allowing producers to keep going even when prices hit near rock bottom.
You’re also missing the psychological effect of ever increasing rig counts and the attendant spikes in production. The market is rarely governed by what’s happening on the ground physically. Prices can collapse when institutional investors take their profits and get out. Or they can collapse when there’s a general sense that a bull market has run its course and is bound to reverse itself at any moment. Thus it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and everyone bails.
LOL!!….Bizarre retard comment……the country was a 100% absorbed into the Soviet Union state with 90% of the country wanting to keep it that way at time of dissolution and 95% wanting unity with Russia well into the 90’s you dumb prick. Saying nobody would be Soviet ( whatever your mononic statement means when that is the era the people are living through you thick POS) is like saying an elephant without a trunk. If you take out “Soviet” people, we are left with disgusting State Department cunts who fled, helped by the CIA in the 1940’s/50’s and have no idea of the country you cretin.
At least 20 African countries are richer than 3rd world shithole Ukraine you idiot. All the South American countries, plenty of the poor south Asian ones too.if you go from your Valtsmans, Kolomoiskys, Pinchuks and so on you have a whole layer of “Ukrainian” oligarchs you inbred prick.
Interestingly enough for a country with 0.1% muslims in it- it’s richest man and it’s starter of this fake revolution at Maidan….are both Muslims.
We’ve seen how Banderovtsky, state-department manufactured scumbag “Ukrainians” do running the country….they steal the most of anyone, get bored and bugger off back to America of Canada ( Yats being a prime example) leaving the country poorer and stupider from the previous failed, pointless and fake “revolution”
LOL…more time-wasting cretinous lies……Egypts is $3500+ you idiot and much richer than African-like Ukraine….as are Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia itself, Georgia……and those country don’t have the level of administrative incompetence, huge healthcare problems and poverty of Ukraine
I’m a native English speaker with some grasp of the Russian language. I’m the main editor in the news division of the localization studio that translates and edits these clips (native Russian speakers write a translation in a .srt file, I try to make it look like normal English). it’s definitely official. I’ve even been told that Kiselyov knows English and watches his segments on there.
Lvov is a total decrepit shithole. A few nice streets covering a few square metres is not that impressive considering what surrounds that.
A few streets in Harare are quite nice, preserving from the time when it was called Salisbury…..that shouldn’t deflect from the general lack of quality in the city
That does not seem like a good idea. I don’t see them getting along well with the Chechens, Dagestanis et al. Unless they convert to Islam.
Why not Siberia?
LOL…..that’s the Lvov that made exactly zilch impression on tourists for Ukraine during Euro 2012, not one single team wanted to stay in the stinking shithole with about 5 square metres of decent sights.
Volgograd on the other hadn made a very good impression on many levels with tourists.
If you talk of the poor aimless Lvov that the majority of the 2 million + people live in , then no, we aren’t talking about a city of any value.
The false equivalent comparison is even more moronic when we consider that Volgograd isn’t even the main city on the Volga now and isn’t supposed to be a key regional centre as failing Lvov is you moron ( 10th ” best” wage level on an African-like state is nothing to boast about)
Architecturally, centre Lvov is very interesting, with many beautiful historical buildings.
It includes buildings in many style, from Baroque, to Art Nouveau – some designed by famous architects.
Not only many of these buildings are architecturally interesting, but some can have a great historical importance.
For example, “Scotlandish cafe”- centre of many famous Polish mathematicians of the 1930s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Caf%C3%A9
Plenty of other wealthy regions in Russia that have millions of people. Moscow has less an economic control than Stockholm does over Sweden and plenty of other countries .
It’s hilarious that the “worst” thing you could come up with about Lviv is that 1it, like Kharkiv, didn’t host a team during the Euro 2012.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
No, according to World Bank Egypt is $2413. According to IMF it is $2501.
Thanks for yet again demonstrating how little you know..about anything.
Why the negative opinion of Ukrainians after the Euromaidan? Ukrainians bravely stood up to all of the elements, indcluding Yanukovych’s security police and persevered. It’s just too bad that the politicians today still don’t seem to understand what it was all about…
Ha! I missed this the first time…
Good, maybe they can get toughened up by the Caucasians and go back to SA and defend their farms. Maybe make the connections and hire some Chechen mercenaries too.
Thumbs up!
Peace.
North Caucasian republics are not exactly the place to be, but besides Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya they do have significant Russian minorities in place. I have some distant relatives living in Kabardin0-Balkaria who are Slavic and Christian and seem quite comfortable there.
To me, it looked like one half of Ukraine turning on the other half after being given encouragement from the West.
Good grief, I agree with you. Moscow City has about 11% of the Russian population. Moscow region doesn’t add a lot more. The conurbations around London and Paris are about 25% of their populations.
Not so much the West as certain (((elements))) of the US State Dept. Hilariously enough, the Ukrainian neo-Nazis (half of them live in Canada) are just lapdogs of “ZOG.”
Doesn’t Dagestan have significant Christian minorities? Not sure if they are Slavs
You should be wary of Russian sources when it comes to Ukraine (you can be wary of Western sources too). While the country was evenly divided between pro-Western more religious west and pro-Russian, more Sovietized east, the recent war and conflict has not involved an even division; many “Blue” voters friendly towards Russia did not support rebellion or separatism, even against a government they might not like. The Russian-inhabited Donbas eastern fringe (about 3-4 million people or 10% of the national population) has left, with significant Russian support.
As much as I hate Ukrainian nationalists, their Russian counterparts often have an extremely hubristic view of the situation, e.g. to them Ukraine is a shithole, but it’s also rightfully an integral part of Russia.
There’s a huge amount of wealthy people across the country, but not total areas with large populations of millions of people, where the GDP per capita is the same as a wealthy part of West Germany.
In Moscow, however, there are so many wealthy people, that the overall figures across many millions of people – are still as high as a wealthy part of West Germany. (Even while, if you look at the job advertisements, salaries in the same fields are quite a lot higher in Germany).
This (Moscow) is not at all representative for Russia, and Mr Hack is correct here.
Even if you compare Moscow to a city like Ekaterinburg.
In Ekaterinburg, it’s not a secret there’s the huge amount of wealthy people – you only have to see when they opened multi-floor Dior and Chanel branches in Sacco and Vanzetti street, which are larger (and selling the same products at higher prices) than the equivalents in Rodeo Drive of Beverly Hills.
But nonetheless the overall statistics, across the whole city, are far lower incomes and wealth than in equivalent size Western European cities. (And the overall economic level of average people in Ekaterinburg is obviously vastly different [lower] to equivalent cities in Germany).
With qualification, probably the economic data for the country overall are a bit of an underestimation, as more wealthy people will be on average be likely to keep their income a secret compared to in e.g. Germany (I would guess – I don’t know a lot about Germany).
I’m not a fan of any nationalism (though I consider it a lesser evil than several other -isms), but why do you hate Ukrainian nationalists?
The worst thing about Lvov – that the people (vast majority) are living in poverty.
BTW, German_reader (and Dmitry).
I met a pretty influential Russia journalist yesterday. He unambiguously confirmed to me that Vesti News is a Rossiya Segodnya project.
Independently confirmed here (the people this blog attracts!): http://www.unz.com/akarlin/refugees-welcome/#comment-2412638
Apart from various fascinating tidbits about Russia’s elites that will have to remain under wraps, he also confirmed my casual impression that Simonyan is a liberal, while Kiselev is /ourguy/.
Nonsense. Vast majority of people in Lviv are living normally. Visit and see for yourself. If not – videos and photos don’t lie. Here is a random one:
Collapse of the value of currency in international markets does not equal poverty. People are well dressed, well fed, they enjoy going out in the numerous cafes and restaurants, they visit the local resorts in the Carpathians.. “Vast majority” are not in poverty.
Google image poverty to see what it actually looks like.
It’s part of the same media strategy though.
Editorial intention of the actual report is that civilized white people want to live in Russia (i.e. boosting morale), with maybe some vague hint about decaying West (in relation to Germany).
When it’s uploaded on YouTube, the social media manager adds a title about the genocide of white population in South Africa – which is what German Reader was laughing about. This is specifically to increase the Western viewers (and search engine optimization – where “white genocide” phrase is something controversial and fashionable).
Media coverage in Russia of the story (not only in this version), has no focus on this genocide, since South Africa (present authorities) are an ally and highlighting genocide of white population there is not relevant to theme of the decaying West.
If South Africa decides to join NATO, then we will here all day about the white genocide there.
I have a friend from Odessa. As a direct result of all our ceaseless discussions here about this topic ( Karlin blog is open all day on my laptop browser and I was talking to him on Skype) I asked him about the economic situation really there, and his answer is just “completely fucked” and particularly the inflation this year. And “don’t talk about it”.
Of course, this is matching all the data we are writing about in our comments.
I’ve been through Lvov many years ago as a child, and cannot remember anything specially poor there. But the fact people can wear clean clothes in the streets, or no indications of malnutrition, does not indicate average salaries are a level which a normal person wants to live with.
Thanks, that’s interesting.
I don’t recall Steven Seagal, or Jeff Monson renouncing their US citizenship.
I don’t normally read/watch RT, but there was an opinion video by Max Keiser from 2011 regarding what he feels is a German “Fourth Reich”:
I can’t tell if this was even representative, if not typical, of RT, let alone judge the efficacy of what Mr. Keiser was saying, and while I am by no means fond of the current German government or the EU, especially with Merkel’s mismanagement of the euro crisis, it makes me wonder about Mr. Keiser’s political leaning and whether or not he’s a shill for American “imperialism” (for lack of a better term). Heck, is it considered “imperialism” when America has military bases in various countries worldwide, including Germany?
Because they kiss America (and to an extent, the entire West’s) ass and have a pathetic victim complex.
My apologies, this was supposed to be in response to Mr. Karlin’s comment (#20).
Lviv’s situation is probably better than Odessa’s. It has a booming tech industry, a lot of new factories being built and expanded, and any people who really have trouble finding work can just cross the Polish border which is an hour or so away.
If you friend has normal clothes, has plenty of food, goes out once in a while for entertainment, owns stuff like a computer, smart phone, TV, has normal housing, etc. he is not “living in poverty.” Simply having a lower salary than one would like, particularly in foreign currency, is not “living in poverty.”
Inflation is decreasing:
https://theubj.com/news/view/ubjam-wednesday-july-10
Do they? Don’t confuse friendly relations for purpose of mutual interests for “kissing ass.”
Other nationalists don’t?
They put screwing over Russia ahead of their dignity as a nation
True, but in the case of Ukraine it’s horribly misplaced: they were, without a doubt, one of the “winners” of the 20th century, but you’d think they have been chattel slaves to Russians for a millennium from talking to them.
Being ruled by the slob Yanukovich (not even an ethnic Ukrainian) and the migrant Russian PM Azarov in a neo-Sovok state is far less dignified.
Their population is 9 million or so less than it should be (3 million killed plus their missing descendants) and the country went from 90% Ukrainian-speaking to 50% or so Ukrainian-speaking. They have a state now, which I suppose makes them better off than the Kurds, Catalans, and Scots, but those didn’t lose millions.
There’s nothing worse than being a dependency of the feminist homowest, you’ll probably get flooded with Afreakans now as well, hope it was worth it.
Not only do they have a country (which was not a certainty in 1900), areas that other countries have strong claims to were grafted onto it, the ancient Polish enemy was entirely removed, the south was Ukrainized, etc
Good thing this is not the case, then.
Poles were given the same threat, if they chose not to ally with Russia. Hasn’t turned out.
Almost everyone else has one too. Scots chose not to have one. In Europe, only Catalans are stateless against their will.
Probably inevitable. Poland probably wasn’t going to be able to hold onto Galicia and Volhynia. Crimea or Donbas weren’t positive additions.
The South, like the rest of the central and eastern parts, was de-Ukrainianized to a large extent. The South used to be about 70% Ukrainian-speaking.
It could have turned out worse. Nazis could have won the war and exterminated millions more, for instance. But de-Ukrainianization and millions dead indicate that it is incorrect to state that Ukraine was “without a doubt, one of the “winners” of the 20th century.”
LOL you thick POS……begging for handouts like a bunch of lepers
Americans appointing who the Prime Minister is
Such a lack of sovereignty their “independence ” forces them to have Gay parades in Kiev…..something against the will of the majority of Kiev and overwhelmingly majority of Rada
An artificial country controlled by Bandera coward scumbags who left the country in disgrace in the 194os and 50s, Poles, Gruzians, Lithuanians, Americans and Canadians
Most nationalists have at least some supporting data for their ideas of nationhood…..not some fuckedup imaginary nonsense that the Ukrop freaks have…..other nationalists also dont have the braindead idea of severing 10s of billions of Russian money…..for the sake of clinging to a few billion of Russian money from gas transit fees that these parasites are desperate to have you idiot
Heil Putler. Funniest thing I’ve read all day.
What type of inbred moron comes up with these Hollywood-eque fantasist nonsense over an incredibly nightmarish situation?
0.1 % of these fucktards decided to standup ( courtesy of money from the State Department)….for months, lazy bums not going to work for months….over a perfectly rational decision by Yanukovich not to accept a suicidal Association agreement, that only seemed to be offered by the EU when Russia was able to offer a very compelling Eurasian Economic Union arrangement you idiot. During the Yushchenko time there wasn’t a hint of an EU Association deal on the table by these pricks
Another beneath contempt retarded lie
hahaha…errr no you lying cunt
…really…no
MANY people who really have trouble
errmmm that’s a serious sigh of poverty you dumb prick, non-comparable with the Swiss-Fra-Belgium type of scenario. The vast majority of that is jobs on farms and of course….. toilet cleaning for the western Ukrainians you idiot. It’s only when Novorossiyan Ukrainians ( about 20% of those who have made the journey to Poland after the coup) arrived that skilled jobs were available like engineer, technician etcetera….because they are from the qualified part of the country
Jobs in Poland mean about 35% of the wages spent on accommodation and food…they aren’t taking these jobs as a luxury you prick…but out of desperation and poverty and lack of work available to them ……comes about when what should be an advanced nation descends into an African-type one
Russian media is the best, most accurate and most moral on the face of the earth
Due to some, probably, Soros funded asswipes in South Africa, a Nuclear power station deal with South Africa , that Rosatom were to build -worth dozens of billions…..was shelved even though the Government had agreed and signed to it
It would not surprise me if the whole scandal that forced Zuma to resign was basically a CIA plot designed to punish Zuma for pushing this ( now defunct) deal with Russia
My point is that even with the shelved deal, Russian media didn’t report unscrupulously on South Africa as a form of revenge for the scrapped deal ( and South Africa needs a long term, energy source like this)
Although millions of white South Africans have left South Africa after the end of Apartheid to go to Australia, New Zealand, UK, US ( as have many Indian South Africans and African south Africans)……..it’s prudent to note that the white population of South Africa has actually increased since then.
Compare this to a shithole like Ukraine that has experienced a catastrophic loss of population throughout the 25 years, even though they were highly educated, owned decent property given to them from Soviet times… and have had a much lower murder rate than South Africa had ,and continues to have
Disillusioned?? After moving to a country where they don’t face murder every day from the black population, and where the schools and universities are far better than S. Africa’s?
The only thing you are good for is providing a platform to spread info. You’re also “good” for making Russians look bad, but I do not see that as a good thing.
Monthly wage in the oblast is about the same ($5.00 lower in Lviv than Odessa) but cost of living is lower in Lviv. Unemployment is less.
Hahaha..err yes:
https://theubj.com/news/view/lviv-plans-150-million-it-city-to-cope-with-growth
Around 20,000 IT workers, drawn from all over Ukraine, now work in the city. Earning salaries denominated in dollars, this IT workforce generates another 72,000 jobs in Lviv.
“We calculated that every worker in tech creates another 3.6 jobs for the city,” says Veselovskyi. “So it’s not surprising that the City Council wants more funding and investment into this area.”
Their data indicates that the average salary for an IT worker in Lviv is $1,500 per month, higher than the national IT average. Advanced specialists can command salaries that match those in some parts of the EU—up to $6,000 per month.
From 2016:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/despite-a-war-this-ukrainian-citys-tech-sector-has-tripled-in-six-years/
next to the EU border, and has 15,000 people employed as IT professionals — about two percent of its population. They took the sector’s turnover to €270m ($300m) last year: that’s three times the figure for 2010, and 20 percent year-on-year growth
http://uprom.info/en/news/economy/biznes/na-lvivshhin-vidkril-noviy-zavod-elektrokontakt-ukrayina/
n Brody, the third company in Lviv region, which belongs to the French concern Nexans, has already been opened. This is about the plant “ElectroContact Ukraine”. President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko came to the official opening. The plant, which was waiting for ten years, was built for a year. Exactly a year ago, when the construction began, Poroshenko solemnly laid the capsule.
The work here will receive almost 2,5 thousands of people. At the moment, already 500 employees have been recruited.
https://theubj.com/news/view/german-seat-belt-manufacturer-eyes-big-investment-in-lviv
Last year Fujikura, a Japanese car parts manufacturer, opened two plants west of Lviv city, just off the M10 highway to Poland. Jorge Garcia, Vice President of Fujikura Automotive Europe, predicted the total workforce of the two plants will hit 6,000 this year.
Bader Ukraine, a German car upholstery producer for Audi and BMW, now employs 1,700 workers for its plant. It is located 20 km west of Lviv, also on the M10 highway to Poland.
Let me guess: you think that all those Poles working in Germany and the UK is a serious sign of poverty in Poland. 🙂
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_There_Lived_a_Simple_Woman
“In an interview with Larisa Malyukova for Novaya Gazeta in 2008, Smirnov tackled the idea of nationalism for his planned film: “I think that this motion picture should not contain a sugarcoated idealization of the nation, nor scandalous disclosures. There are pros and cons. But most importantly, it seems to me that the film has such a love for Russia in it, but not a patriot’s fanfares. Love as a synonym for pain.”
Are you sure? I’ve read that Odessa and vicinity were highly Ukrainized, and that the only area where the policy was reversed was the Kuban. Smaller population isn’t necessarily worse, it would have probably just meant more poverty and more emigration to the West and Russia. Btw Poland has many more cards to play against Germany, so I wouldn’t be so sure.
Cities became “Ukrainianized” when the urban population grew and peasants moved into them. So the city of Odessa became more Ukrainian. This was an inevitable process. Typically, as in previously German-speaking Prague, the language of the city shifts to reflect the new demographics.
What the Soviets did, however, was to unnaturally make the peasants learn Russian rather than to retain their own language as they moved into the city. As a result, % of Ukrainian-speakers collapsed in the 2oth century.
1897 census:
http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97.php
It went by language, not ethnicity. By language, Kherson governate (which is basically Odessa plus Kherson plus Mykolaiv oblasts) was 53% Ukrainian-speaking (i.e., Little Russian speaking). This region is not 53% Ukrainian-speaking now.
Katerynoslav governate (Dniproperovsk oblast) was 69% Ukrainian-speaking. It is not that now.
Kiev governate was only 6% Russian-speaking! This was almost as little as Warsaw region.
At the end of the 19th century Kuban was about 50% Ukrainian; at the end of the 20th it was under 5%.
Complete rubbish. The whole thing was turned into a confrontation by Russian confrontation tactics starting with the customs blockade. Russia has traditionally been overeager to express their strength as a threat. We had the first world war because of this, for example. Cuba too.
The Afrikaners have big families. That is a large part of the motivation to look for large areas of cheap land elsewhere. I referenced 2nd sons in an earlier comment. They don’t seem in a panic. Cheap land for 49 years was not attractive. They want inalienable ownership. And as I said, although it wasn’t high on the list, they noted what happened to the Volga Germans.
But that was part of the policy: to put Ukrainians in positions of influence in industry, party leadership, etc. As for being natural, Ukrainization was vehemently opposed by many, including ethnic Ukrainians who were accustomed to teaching in Russian for example.
In the 1920s, Ukrainians were something like 25% of party leadership in Ukraine. Efforts to change this did no more than give them parity with respect to their population percentage.
Many perhaps (especially the Russian minority – Bulgakov made fun of Ukrainianazation), but certainly not most. Political parties supporting Ukrainianization got the majority of the vote in the 1917 pre-Soviet elections. Large numbers of Ukrainian schools opened up under the Hetman and Rada, and continued under the Bolsheviks at first (first Bolshevik government cracked down on Ukrainianization, after it was thrown out later ones left the issue alone). Totally natural process, akin to the Czech-language schools opening in Bohemia in the 19th century for the newly literate Czech peasants despite grumbling from Germans.
The call to reverse Ukrainianization in the schools came from Moscow, later on.
I just wondered how Russian nationalists would deal with the “genocides” of Bolshevism and of liberalism
1) Obviously people who are not Jewish can make good movies, but the disproportionate representation of Jews in the industry will be in evidence in the films produced.
2) They seem to have perfected, better, or as well as any group, the ability to fight it out and still remain unified at the end. After all, they fought it out with plenty of deaths as recently as the founding of Israel. (The Debt is a great movie and is full of introspection and moral and existential questions.)
3) The unity is lacking for Russians. How could you have epics on WWII if many of your target audience hold the beliefs that AK does about the GPW? (Dr. Zhivago is a hell of a movie, so obviously it can be done.)
They are good at making movies and they are good at keeping a coherent vision of a sort that ties most of them together in a strong, but not stifling way.
Anatoly (if you are still reading this huge comment section),
Although conditions here in the states are not nearly as bad as things in poor South Africa, Christianity is clearly increasingly frowned upon in America. If American religious “liberty” continues on its downward spiral towards the abyss of SJW chaos (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act_(Indiana)) and neo-pagan blasphemy (e.g. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/satanic-mockery-of-mary-only-helps-unite-oklahoma-christians-in-prayer-40335), what are the chances that Russia would be willing to welcome refugees from America who were similar to the Boers? I.e. 1) Not Russian Orthodox (I myself am traditional (Latin Mass) Catholic), 2) Not likely to be Russophones within the first or even second generations, but 3) Talented and valuable, possibly able to teach English, etc, and contribute to Russian society? The question is, of course, highly speculative. And since I love the family tradition and natural beauty of where I personally live (and don’t speak any Russian), I would of course prefer to fight it out (hopefully not literally…) at home.
Ironically, one of my best friends includes among his ancestors a Volga German who had to flee Russia during the Revolution. And now I am seriously wondering if Russia would accept us American Christians as refugees in a hypothetical (?) dystopian America….
From memoirs of the Soviet defector Viktor Kravchenko:
http://www.belousenko.com/books/Berberova/kravchenko_i_chose_freedom_english.htm
It should be noted that the Japanese for transistor is transistor. There is a Welsh word for internet but everyone says Internet. Lack of technical words is hardly specific to Ukrainian especially given the closeness of the language to Russian. i was amazed at how much Russian was packed with MODERN borrowing from English in the 1990’s. Even behind Soviet isolation words and fashions crossed the frontier.
So it seems he started out studying in Russian, rather than studying in Ukrainian from the very beginning, and switched over.
OK, I read the original. He studied in Russian throughout school, Ukrainianization occurred when he went to college (Institute). The changeopver was hard.
This wasn’t applicable to peasant kids going to school in Ukrainian from the beginning, as would have naturally occurred and which did occur before the Bolsheviks shut down the natural process. They wouldn’t have struggled, and didn’t (one of my grandparents, from central Ukraine, was such a kid). Kids in Ukraine who study in Ukrainian from grade school don’t struggle either. But Kravchenko had gone all the way through high school only studying in Russian so it was hard for him and his classmates to change over.
So you think overall Ukrainization was a failure or just the language policy? It’s arguable that all the general secretaries after Stalin were at least partly Ukrainian. Unlikely that they would have achieved that much in the empire, though there were some prominent Rusyn noblemen in imperial service IIRC.
He’s not poor at all – he’s studying in the US now, preparing to apply for graduate school.
He’s talking about general situation of the economy, and the increase in prices.
Everyone knows Ukraine is not having a famine. But the overall salaries are very low (equivalent to poorest cities in Russia), and I kind of doubt any of us (who do not work in Ukraine) would be happy to live like this, and neither are people in Ukraine.
I think you said you are working in the West or Moscow (or it could be another user)? When you visit home, I’m sure you notice how cheap everything is for your salary.
There is starting to be a lot of outsourcing by startups (the startups from countries like Israel and US), to Ukraine, because the salaries are so low there.
This is symptom of the very low salaries in Ukraine (it’s like when Ford Motor Corporation outsources its car manufacturing to Mexico, because of lower salaries in Mexico).
It’s good for Ukraine’s economy, but it’s epistemically something which is an indication of the very low salaries there. So if it’s something good, it’s also a symptom of something very bad.
AP could be correct about jobs in hi-tech, because of the outsourcing of development work to Ukraine where the salaries are far lower.
I was reading about this in relation to Israel.
This is because the very low salaries in Ukraine (although I read about it happening in Odessa, Kharkov – not Lvov).
https://reuters.com/article/uk-tech-israel-ukraine/short-of-it-workers-at-home-israeli-startups-recruit-elsewhere-idUKKBN19H0GD
A lot of South Africans study in Russian universities with scholarships each year. But it’s including people from poorer demographics of South Africa (it’s not Boers which Karlin is hoping about).
Hope its true!!!! The Boer farmers will need a re-education in farming. Boer’s are Dutch and Dutch farmers are very successful in the US so I predict they will do well in Russia.
The natural process was that as peasants became literate they kept their language, and cities that had spoken a different language switched it the peasant language along with urbanization and the growth of cities. This happened in the Baltics (cities had previously been German-speaking), Finland, Czechia, Slovakia, and Galicia (ironically under the Soviets who deemed Ukrainian a lesser evil than Polish). This process began in Russian Empire Ukraine in 1917 (in some cases earlier) but was ended by the Bolsheviks in the early 1930s, when they arrested and deported or shot a lot of Ukrainian teachers and forced many of the incoming peasants to study in Russian. They allowed the Ukrainian schools to continue to exist in the villages so it was not a complete wipe-out as was done in 19th century France. But rather than Kiev becoming a Ukrainian-speaking city as Ukrainians moved in from the countryside, it grew into a huge ethnic Ukrainian but Russian-speaking city.
Khrushchev and Andropov weren’t. Brezhnev is questionable, Chernenko and Gorbie were half-Ukrainian.
Catherine the Great’s Chancellor was an ethnic Ukrainian nobleman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Bezborodko
Prince Alexander Andreyevich Bezborodko (Russian: Алекса́ндр Андре́евич Безборо́дко; Ukrainian: Олександр Андрійович Безбородько;25 March [O.S. 14 March] 1747 – 6 April 1799) was the Grand Chancellor of Russia and chief architect of Catherine the Great’s foreign policy after the death of Nikita Panin.
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He is rumored to have been the anonymous author of a proto-Ukrainian nationalist script contrasting Little Russians, true heirs of ancient Rus, and Tatar-like Great Russians:
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CI%5CS%5CIstoriiaRusovIT.htm
What do you mean, “could be?” It’s rather obvious I am.
http://www.businesscomputingworld.co.uk/what-you-should-know-about-ukraines-booming-it-sector/
More than 3,000 service companies, more than 1,000 startups, about two dozen R&D centers, half a dozen profile associations and up to 15 IT clusters operate on the market. Several of the largest export-oriented companies feel quite confident in the market and have long-term development prospects. Moreover, according to Kyiv Post, 18 outsourcing companies were included in the list of the best high-tech companies in the world.
Export of IT-products and services. Ukraine is now the leading software development center in Eastern and Central Europe and is one of the largest exporters of IT products and services in the world. IT industry is one of the priority sectors for the export strategy of Ukraine.
The main achievement of 2017 is the fact that the Ukrainian IT industry has finally returned to pre-crisis growth rates. If in the past three years they were closer to 10%, then this year the market has grown by about 18%.
Would you claim that vast majority of people in, say, Volgograd, are “living in poverty?” I wouldn’t.
It started years ago.
Sure. But the salaries are still very good by local standards ($1,500 per month on average for programmers). $1,500 in Lviv is like $4,000 in Moscow. Programmers have moved from Russia back to Lviv.
One of my cousins is a manager in one of those companies in Lviv. He has a large (even by Western standards) house, normal Western car, and takes his family skiing every year to the Swiss or Austrian Alps. He lives a lot better than his dad, former chief engineer at a Soviet electronics plant in Lviv, ever did. There are thousands of people like my cousin, from the IT industry in Lviv.
South Africa is a dangerous place because it’s part of Africa. Africans are a violent race. The Boers relocated to Africa generations ago and call themselves Afrikaans. Since they identify as Africans they should live like Africans which means they suffer the same fate as black Africans. I’m sure thousands if not millions of Africans suffer the same fate and violence each day, no different than what these white Africans are facing. Why should they be treated differently?
Another sign how South Africa under black rule is destroying itself
A relative of mine lived there from 1955 until 1985.
He left because he had reached retirement age, but primarily because throwing bombs had begun.
He died some five years ago, but visited the country he loved often.
What he said about the whites ‘they all want to leave, but most are economically unable to’.
So these migrants or refugees do not surprise me at all.
The russians by supporting cuban forces in angola led to the defeat of the south african forces and eventually the regime change in south west africa now known as namibia.russia backed anti south african forces in angola,rhodesia,Mozambique,zambia,and elsewhere.
So the irony of afrikaaners moving to russia cannot be overstated.bascally the whites and particularly the afrikaaners were abandoned by the west.
South africa is a member of brics and so is russia so there would be cooperation to facilitate the transfer of the land from whites to blacks by resettling white afrikaaner farmers.the fact is that russia has vast areas of land that can be farmed but the russian government suffers from a lack of people willing to farm.
https://www.rbth.com/business/2017/07/05/how-to-open-a-farm-in-russia-if-youre-a-foreigner_796165
Disgusting, but true. Boers should get automatic citizenship in The Netherlands, while the Anglophones should get automatic citizenship in the UK or Australia.
I thought he got Serbian citizenship? Are you thinking of Putin’s mate the fat french bloke?
Some countries allow renounced citizens to re-obtain citizenship. I recall the UK allows it once, meaning a UK citizen could renounce UK, add Russia, add UK, and become dual national.
Theoretically!
Poor Afrikaners, they treat them as they were black!
The benefits would be many and varied.
Myself, I wish they’d all come here to Australia. IF ONLY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF OUR BLOODY RUGBY.
@Anatoly Karlin
“They do belong to a weird little Protestant sect but we all have our minor failings.”
What weird protestant sect?
This one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Reformed_Church_in_South_Africa_(NGK)?
#BoerfugeesWelcome
It is rather a myth. Due to the climate, 90% of the land in Russia is unsuitable for agriculture. Where agriculture is profitable, Russia looks like this: https://gov39.ru/upload/iblock/ebe/ebedc04cdef7b68232b37516efeaeb28.jpg
The only region where there is really a huge undeveloped land suitable for agriculture is the far East (for example Sakhalin). But this is a very specific region with a severe climate.
Breaking news. Russia wins. I lived in South Africa for ten-years. Boer farmers are hard working agricultural experts. Russia’s agricultural output will increase. The Left will never figure out the difference between first and third world immigration. Russia obviously has.
You’re an ignoramus. I lived in South Africa for ten-years. Boer farmers are hard working agricultural experts. Russia’s climate is obviously much colder. Nevertheless, Russia has better farmland. The Boer farmer succeeded in farming an arid, blistering hot summers dessert. They will not come to Russia and abandon their new farms in a host nation for faggotry just because the weather is too cold
Sometimes when I watch sport I marvel at the superior abilities that sportsmen have.You read a book or look at a Picasso and you get the same feeling that humanity has different levels and some rise above others ansd these levels occur in all aspects.
I have come to believe that there are abilities that are hidden from the general population.They are spotted at an early age and nurtured and those that rule have access to these abilities and make good use of them and have so for many centuries.
One ability is the understanding of future events,almost like time travel.People say xyz will happen in 50 years from now and it does and those in power plan accordingly.In fact I now believe that it is possible to herd people like sheep from one paddock to the next by having access to the “time travel ability”.That’s why studying history is a great resource because it shows up the footprints and timelines of events from start to finish.
I used to farm in south africa.it was a family business started by my grandparents who arrived in south africa in the early 1900,s.They came out from Lithuania and cheap land and labour was made available to them.The whole project was run by the British empire.Farms were built and south africa in the hands of white farmers began to not only feed south africans but export food to other countries.
Afrikaners were the first to farm land on a commercial scale and it was a complete success as they were the backbone of the farming project.
Then the powers that be decided it was time to move the sheep to other pastures and hand the land over to the black people.
My father used to say that the white man thinks in squares and the black man thinks in circles.
a good example of this is Zimbabwe,however I believe that only those who think ahead will survive.
I wonder haw many of those Boers have gone to Pennsylvania Dutch country and other related American farming communities.
“Russia to Welcome 15,000 African Refugees”; I was concerned but once I read the article you made me laugh. You got me! LOL
Ever heard of climate change.the earth is heating up.As I said in my post below only those that think ahead will survive.
Similar to Wales. The castle towns were originally settled by English or Flemish burgers. After the Black Death, they were refilled by culturally Welsh people declared to be legally English (and so controlled by English Law). After Protestantism arrived, most tradesmen and tenant farmers were literate in Welsh and spoke passable English (300 words were considered enough!).
90% of Wales remained Welsh speaking even during the early industrial revolution. There were even traditional Welsh speaking communities in the Marches on the English side. Then coal become overwhelmingly important and a million immigrants (mostly English and Irish) flooded onto the coalfield – compare to the Donbass (founded by Welsh engineers) slightly later. Even they might have been absorbed but this coincided with the introduction of universal primary education. The education was not in English. There were aggressive programs of punishment for children heard speaking Welsh.
You need state intervention with education to destroy a language. Otherwise the one with the deep roots will come back. Considering the closeness of Ukrainian and Russian, removing Ukrainian would not have been a difficult task. I assume a Russian speaking Ukrainian could read his Great Great Grandfather’s diaries, albeit with difficulty. In Wales one needs to learn another language from another language family. Seems Ukraine has a good chance to reconstruct Little Russian culture. The language change is not that demanding.
SA was not defeated militarily. There were just not enough skilled whites and coloureds to run the economy. A significant fraction of Afrikaners are poor unskilled working class. They used to do jobs like steel workers (the whitest town in SA is not some rural market town, it’s a steel town). Whether that worked is becoming debatable but it did for a while.
It was a bourgeois revolution by a rising black middle class. The Indians seem to have ridden the wave best.
Tell me more.
Well, disregarding the fact that his great great grandfather was almost certainly illiterate…
It is not so much a lack of people willing to farm. It is a lack of people with capital and expertise. Rural Russia is full of villages with economically inactive people who earn enough part time to live off their small holding the rest of the time.
John Deere has its most profitable factory in the world in Russia. What Russian farms needs are not people but tractors, ploughs, seeders, sprayers, harvesters, trucks and storage. All at the level of Precision Agriculture (satellite tracked, computer controlled). Drones for filed inspection too so that satellite images can be ground verified.
And it is cheaper to move meat rather than the grain to be fed to the meat, so soya to boost protein. Units for chickens, pigs, turkeys, ducks, dairy, beef-feed lot style, even goats. All is planned but this is a market economy that responds to incentives.
Oh and freezing plants and trains that can get to China without intolerable customs delays and equipment failures. Even moving grain is bad enough.
Agreed. I was describing my own case. The one in question being a lawyer but my carpenter ancestors left letters behind too. Albeit mostly in English as they were in Chicago at the time.
There were publications in Little Russian from the early 19th C onwards so some were literate.
Russia’s slavic genepool will benefit greatly from Dutch genetics. Imagine that, refugees that actually help the genepool!
However, these Dutch should immigrate as far Northwest in Russia as possible, likely to St Petersburg, and then wait for their first chance to migrate back to Northwest Europe. I doubt they will fare well as a separate ethnic group in Russia, unless the government makes a special effort to advantage them.
Stop thinking that the Netherlands and Britain are Zion, goyim.
People here do tend to be pretty obsessed with race and religion.
I guess most people have just become accustomed to living in the sewer that is modern western society and just accept homosexual predators as a normal part of modern life. And maybe the Russians and east Europeans here aren’t worried because the problem hasn’t reached them on any great scale yet.
Trump does talk some evil nonsense sometimes. The U.S. is not protecting Germany and France and other European countries, it is keeping its vassals in line.
What any Jew, but perhaps most of all what any Brooklyn Jew, has to say on immigration and White politics could not be more irrelevant.
When Flatbush Haredi start renting to, selling to, and integrating with the surrounding Blacks then Jews will have taken the first of dozens of necessary steps to making anything that they say on these topics relevant. There are no monolithically “whiter” and ethnically exclusive neighborhoods in the USA, with similar or greater population density, than Brooklyn Jewish neighborhoods.
If they make resistance against Black appropriation of Boer land an “alt-Right” issue, then that would make resistance against Palestinian appropriation of Israeli land an “alt-Left” issue that is equally worthy of dismissal. If they justify Jewish occupation on what the book that they wrote says in regard to prior ownership, then that leaves the door open for Western European non-Jews to take Anatolia, Iran, and North Africa for themselves. All morality being equally applied (protip: Jews also want this land for themselves).
They key to all of this, of course, is that Jews seek to apply a double moral standard in relation to themselves and non-Jews. Which, again, makes anything that they say utterly irrelevant.
Excellent indeed.
I was always troubled by the failure of Western nations to make it a priority to bring in the white farmers from South Africa.
Instead they welcomed migrants who had little chance of doing anything but causing trouble and costing money.
Good for Putin and Russia!
And it will be nice to see the usual suspects complaining about a humanitarian gesture directed towards white people.
Because the countryside still largely speaks Ukrainian, even in central and eastern parts of the country, many urban Russian speaking Ukrainians will have been exposed to a lot of Ukrainian simply when visiting their village relatives (or from their own grandparents). They would also hear it when people form villages sell food in markets in the cities. So even if they weren’t learning Ukrainian in school (as they have been doing for the past 10+ years) they would probably be able to speak the language somewhat. The languages are different enough that someone with no prior exposure would struggle to make sense of things (it is not like Swedish and Danish), but close enough that with regular exposure one can learn without formal training.
The only arable (farmable) land in Russia is a thin southern belt that essentially runs from the Western to Eastern border. In fact, the southern Russian border runs wildly along the precise moisture line, looking to keep to untermensch on the other side of the productive land. Looking at this border’s implied audacity is fairly hilarious. People did better survival calculus in prior eras.
However, the general lack of such land is why Russia, which is mostly forested wasteland, is the land of the Slavs. The Western European haplotype groups traveled (or ran) until they hit temperate coastal land (ports) that also was more or less all arable (NW Europe). The Slavs were kept to the wastelands. The Dutch group, which were also the original French Royalty, arguably occupied the first or second best plot of land in Eurasia between the Netherlands, Belgium, France, and the German Rhineland. The competitor being the Saxons and their land in North central Germany and the UK. Most of it with the double economic benefit of it being arable and having great ports. That most of Scandanavia is not arable speaks to their prior reliance on Viking economics (trade and raiding). They chose maximum isolation over economics.
{Where agriculture is profitable, Russia looks like this:}
Grain production statistics support your point.
From world-grain.com*
[MOSCOW, RUSSIA — Russia grain exports in 2017-18 are nearly 40% higher year on year at 39.17 million tonnes, according to statistics released by the Russian Ministry of Agriculture on April 1. Wheat exports are up 41% year on year, at 30.61 million tonnes.
The biggest jump year over year is in barley exports, which are up 97% from a year ago at 4.41 million tonnes, the ministry said.]
And if I am not mistaken, Russia became world’s largest grain exporter either in 2017 or 2018. So there is plenty of land in Russia.
In fact, probably more than enough: as poster [Philip Owen] noted, what lacks in Russian agriculture is capital, technology, etc. With time, those will come.
Finally, it is hard to believe with all the stories of food shortages around the world and such, but apparently there is a worldwide grain glut, according to Reuters article:
[The surge in Russian exports has contributed to a global grain glut. The world’s wheat market is set for a fifth surplus in a row in 2017-18 with stocks climbing to a record 268 million tonnes, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data.] (BUSINESS NEWS NOVEMBER 3, 2017 / 12:05 AM / 8 MONTHS AGO MOSCOW (Reuters))
@Dmitry
“UK, Australia and Canada, successfully receive hundreds of thousands of South African immigrants, with the majority each year flowing to UK and Canada.”
What proportion of those migrants is Afrikaans speaking and what proportion is English speaking?
“GDP per capita in South Africa is significantly below Russia”
Some ethnicities in South Africa have a higher GDP per capita than Russia does.
https://businesstech.co.za/news/wealth/153485/whites-earn-5-times-more-than-blacks-in-south-africa-stats-sa/
“Particularly some kind of bonus to incentivize them to live in Russia, and not leave after a year (something like a free apartment if they are successfully staying in the country 5 years later).”
These people are not refugees if you have to bribe them.
It is a potentially very good thing that Russia is taking in white refugees from black African horror. But there is bad potential as well. Blacks and other non-whites are what they are because of white Liberals. Not because of Jews, but first and foremost because of Gentile Liberals, who were and are absolutely necessary to all things done by the craziest Jews, whether Leftist Jews or Neocon Jews.
Russia made more than a few major errors that played key roles leading to the revolutionary furor of the 19th century that flowered into Bolshevism. Peter the Great was central to most of them. He became a lover of most things ‘Western,’ which meant to him things that were Age of Enlightenment European as opposed to Age of Christendom Western European. More specifically, Peter adored and idealized things culturally Germanic, whether Prussian, Dutch, Anglo-Saxon. And that meant that he not only saw no problems with Germanic speaking citizens of Russia who were Protestant, but that he supported Germanic-speaking Protestants in Russia, remaining largely separate within Russia by language, cultural identity, and theology.
Peter was not the type to be able to discern the problems inherit in sola fide, and therefore inherit in the entire Reformation. He also failed to understand that Germanic culture always will produce waves of people who at best see Slavs, like Celts, as inferior anachronisms that need to be conquered and ruled by Germanic people.
Boers should know that Anglo-Saxon culture is poison, eventually, to all truly conservative white Gentile peoples. But if today’s Boers romanticize, even defend, the Dutch Calvinist heritage that embraced all those Jews from Spain and helped them spread perversion across Europe and the world, then they easily could become trouble within Russia.
My warning is that unless the Boers are Slavicized linguistically and culturally, and unless they begin shedding their Protestantism for either Eastern Orthodoxy or pre-Vatican II Catholicism, many Boer descendants will become thorns in Russia’s side. Their sense of Germanic culture combined with their faith in the Reformation and its fruits will lead them to want to remake Russia in the image of culturally Germanic protestant rebellion.
Many Boers also are of German descent
However, the Netherlands already has too many boeren, farmers.
No land available.
We more and more resemble LA
Mandela understood that the whites ran the S African economy.
Kill them, or drive them out, another Uganda or Zimbabwe
“SA will never find peace until the Boer stranglehold is loosened. ”
It is a weak stranglehold.
“In Eastern Europe, Germany has a reputation of being Russia’s Trojan Horse. Trump is saying what Eastern Europeans have been saying for years.”
Today the pipelines transporting Russian hydrocarbons and Russia’s allies hydrocarbons travel thru Ukraine and Poland. Ukraine and Poland are to states that has troubled relations with Russia. In Poland’s case there is also a dispute with Western European states in EU politics. Poland has leverage over Western European states like Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and France due to it’s abillity to cut off the supply of hydrocarbons.
Ukraine also gets a similar leverage against Russia. If Ukraine were to block Russian hydrocarbons from crossing it’s territory, then Poland would gain even more leverage over Russia. Ukraine and Poland could use this advantage to cooperate to strenghten their position against Western Europe, USA and Russia. This is why Russia wants the pipelines bypassing Poland and Ukraine.
Western Europe would also be more able to stand up to Eastern Europe and the Visegrad group by removing this leverage. Not everything is about external politics, in my mind this is about internal EU politics for the West Europeans.
Besides the politics these pipelines are also economic investments for Western Europe and Russia. The EU also becomes more independant of the United States. These pipelines should not be neccesary as it is probably cheaper to continue to use overland pipes, but it will improve the position of many Europeans states.
If Eastern Europe and USA tries to stop this, then they are just malevolent. Instead USA and Eastern Europe should not try to hurt Western Europe, they can do this while weakening Russian economy and hold over Western Europe. The best solution for doing this would be to promote a trans-caspian pipeline from Azerbajian to Turkmenistan.
“if Russia really is a rival or threat, why pay them billions and billions when instead these billions can be paid to an ally and protector who has allowed you to save a lot of money because they took on your defense responsibilities?”
Germany has not been threatened by any outside power since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The American decision to have high military spending is their own, they cannot demand that others should so the same. The military does not need consistently larger proportion of the state revenues.
Why don’t you open such a museum or museums in Russia?
Don’t know if this is part of it, but let’s not forget that citizens of the US, when living abroad, have to pay taxes to both the US and the country they’re living in. The only other country to perform citizenship-based taxation is Eritrea.
(https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-31/fatca-needs-go-unfortunately-fatca-refugees-are-never-coming-back)
With what Trump is doing in the Middle East, I doubt he’ll repeal FATCA before 2020.
I don’t know any actual Russians living in Russia who would be other than disgusted at the notion that pathological wanker Anatoly Karlin represents them or their worldview in any way shape or form…[there may be some on the fringe, as in any society, but they are not typical]…
The Russian character does not identify with any ‘white identity’…but rather a Slav identity shaped in the context of centuries-long conflict between Slavs and Germanics…
Here Karlin conflates a lot of separate issues into one big white victimhood trope…pandering to the extremists here on this website…and seeks to misrepresent the typical Russian as having some sort of sympathy to colonialist settlers who for centuries lived on stolen land…
These ‘farmers’ are in most cases owners of huge properties [plantations] that employ vast numbers of blacks to do the manual labor…they are not family farms, which were the norm when I was a kid, but which are now a thing of the past…
This demise of the small family farm is itself an extremely grave issue on many levels, including the toxic nature of modern food production on factory farms…an entire book could be written just on that…and the establishment of what is essentially a global food commodity cartel, which seeks to undermine the remaining small-scale food production in developing countries…
That the present day Boers in South Africa are in a bad situation is true…and these people are certainly worthy of sympathy…they are not to blame for the sins of their forebears…and let’s face it colonialism, while making Europe rich off the backs of colored people for centuries…now has produced chickens that are coming home to roost…
Historians note that the post-colonial migration of more affluent members of colonial lands like India for example…is a case of people following their stolen wealth…as Britain and France pulled out of their former colonies, Indians and Algerians with the means to place themselves into the home countries of their former colonial masters chose to do so…
This is a consequence that is perfectly natural…nothing in human affairs is without consequence…just as every action in the physical world has an equal and opposite reaction…
Today the migrant crisis of Europe is due to one simple fact…US and Nato wars of destruction in the Middle East that destroyed in whole or in part several populous countries and uprooted literally millions…what benefit has come from destroying Libya…?…the country employed millions of Africans doing jobs that Libyans didn’t want to do…
Now that Libya has been turned into a shithole by the US, UK and France…those same Africans are streaming into Europe…poetic justice some might call it…and yes, at the same time the ordinary folks in those European countries do not appreciate this…it is being rammed down their throats and it is their tax money that pays for these migrants…they have justifiably had enough…
This is how most Russians view these things…the shiteater Karlin is attempting here, like fellow shiteater Bausman, to try to present a fake image of Russian society that does not exist…
The current rise in white victimhood sentiment is another purely Western contortion that has nothing to do with Russia…nobody in Russia has even heard of white victimhood, or if they have, they rightfully reject it as just a continuation of fascist Germanic ideology…
As the chickens come home to roost and the West reaps its just rewards, this slide into fascism is inevitable…it actually is a two-sided coin…the ‘liberal’ and globalist fascists on the one hand who continue to attempt to prolong Russophobia…and the right wing white supremacist faction on the other side, who have come up with some idiotic notion that Russians actually identify with them…when in actual fact they don’t…since most Russians are repulsed by fascist ideology…
The solution for ordinary Europeans is clear…they can remove Merkel, Micron and others if they choose to do so…but they don’t…the populist parties of Le Pen, AfD and others are not actually fascist and have nothing to do with fascism…they hear and connect with the ordinary folks who are suffering from this unhinged migration and the demographic consequences that will follow…
Unfortunately for the Stormfronters attracted like flies to shit on this forum, ordinary European folks might actually elect honest leaders like Le Pen, if they were not turned off by the racist morons who flock uninvited and unwelcome to these populist parties…
It is this persistent strain of racism ingrained in an admittedly small portion of European society that is the real problem…there is nothing wrong with a Europe for Europeans…in fact it is quite natural and healthy…but the haters just go too far and repulse moderate ordinary folks who are the silent majority…and scare them right into the hands of the globalist fascists like Merkel and Micron…
Russia has nothing to do with the migrant crisis and no Russian of sound mind would identify with shiteating troll Karlin and his attempt to link the migrant crisis to Russia on this website…
In the seventies, a bunch of S Africans of Indian origin came to Bombay. I remember a 18 yr old was admitted to the 8th standard, a grade where all his classmates were 13 or 14 years old and his younger brother was in the 6th grade and 16 yrs old. I finished with high school at 15 (1st to 11th grade).
Indians and coloreds were not allowed to study until the age of ten by the whites; this was one aspect of apartheid, and why the whole world sanctioned S Africa.
You reap what you sow or as the new trendy term’Karma is a bitch’ says is apt. I think what they are reaping the rotten fruits of their karma. Am I sorry for them? of course I am. But the blacks and browns were human then and I felt sorry for them then as well.
“The Afrikaners have big families.”
Do they? According to wikipedia White South Africans have a fertility rate of 1,7. Maybe the Afrikaners you have met does not represent the average Afrikaner. Perhaps Afrikaners have a higher fertility rate than British South Africans though? The White South African TFR is the product of mostly Afrikaners and British South Africans with some input from white minorities.
Russia needs, not more Boers, but more Africans like Abram Petrovich Gannibal.
I posted this before I reading your comment. I have no idea about how Russians or Slavs view others but I do concur with what you say.
Would you say that Ukrainians did well in the Russian Empire?
Were the Russian Empire a better deal for Ukraine and Ukrainians than the Polish Lithuanian commonwealth, Ottoman Empire(and vassals, allies, influence) or Austria-Hungary?
This is a good trend for Ukraine.
Look in Yandex,
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80%D1%8B%20%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8F%D1%82%20%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8F%20%D0%B2%20%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8E&lr=37180
and see that Carlin in this case is the mainstream.
This ”karma” agitation-propaganda is stupid.
If Stalin had conquered all of Europe, there would be very few subaltern emigrants in Europe, does this mean Europeans are being punished for rejecting Communism?
And if karma works the way you believe it to work, then how come the KSA is prospering and faces no punishment today for having millions of de facto slaves, let alone for historical Arab history of imperialist expansionism and slavery?
Bullshit…any such idiocy is the direct result of agit-prop of the Bausman kind…affecting in this case only a fringe of uneducated Russian yahoos who don’t count for anything…
No one cares because the perpetrators of the violence are also black. If apartheid had been a black on black issue, no one would have cared and SA would not have been sanctioned in the first place, and the ANC would have been crushed and no one would have cared about that either.
Let the Boers become honorary Africans and break out the machetes and channel their inner General Butt Naked and fight on an even playing field.
Mine are religious rural farmers. Unemployed steelworkers have smaller families.
Approximately 1% of Russians give a shit about muh colonialism you complete and utter faggot.
First two sentences of the Vzlyag report on this story: https://vz.ru/society/2018/7/5/930967.html
Vzglyad is one of the most popular news/opinion sites in Russia.
TLDR: Get bent. And jump off a helicopter.
It depends on time period and people. Soon after Ukraine was absorbed, nobles and Cossack officers (two overlapping groups) who didn’t mind an erosion of political autonomy did well, because they got more rights at the expense of the peasants, who saw their burden of serfdom get worse.
After serfdom was abolished, by the late 19th and early 20th century, Ukrainians were doing fine, provided they weren’t into local nationalist activism. One of my grandparents was from a peasant family, born a few years before the Revolution (too young to remember much personally, but heard plenty from parents and other older villagers). Essentially the tax man came along once a year, collected a modest amount, and otherwise the government left people alone. People who worked hard and saved/invested surplus did well, those who drank a lot did not. There was no persecution whatsoever.
It’s hard to say whether Russian Empire or Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (of similar times) were better. Serfs were treated about equally badly in both. Nobles had much more rights and personal freedoms in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. A scion of the old Ruthenian (Ukrainian) Vyshnevetsky family became a Polish king though his father had converted to Roman Catholicism and married a Polish woman. OTOH, for several decades Orthodox were treated poorly in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (though many of them still lived very well and were quite loyal).
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth set the stage for a cultural “golden age” in Ukraine which continued while Ukraine had kept its autonomy (and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth traditions) under Russia but which was eventually snuffed out by the Russian state. Ukraine then experienced a braindrain and was reduced to a provincial backwater.
Austria-Hungary was probably the best deal of all. Serfdom abolished early, mass schooling leading to full literacy of schoolchildren a generation earlier than in the Russian Empire, voting and political parties, improved wealth, etc.
I’m guessing the worst off whites are the working and lower middle class white South Africans who can’t afford to pay for private security or live in affluent gated communities. Not much we can do for these people other than make sure we don’t suffer the same fate by bringing in lots of low IQ immigrants from the third world.
What’s bad, in your opinion, about Karlin’s comment?
Karlin hopes for an improvement of human capital (and this rich Boer people moving in would be cool), and he see some appeal to Western right-wing audience (because of the persecution of Boers – white people – in South Africa is fashionable topic this year that can be seen on YouTube and Twitter).
Karlin does not write propaganda or even try to persuade people, just writes his personal view and to others in an honest way. It’s why such everyone here with different views to him, but still posting here everyday.
Russian media is interested in improving morale in the audience (the idea that civilized white people want to immigrate – it’s a way of complimenting yourself).
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Interesting comments in the story by Philip Owen who met these people before, and journalists reporting the story should interview him – he provides original information that does not exist in the other media coverage of this story.
Nobility in the Russian empire was closely connected to state service. Good way to incorporate elites from disparate cultures, but like you say, it didn’t do much to help the lot of their commoners, who proved eager to join the revolutionaries
I don’t read Cyrillic, but this purports to be Brezhnev’s passport, he lists Ukrainian as nationality. Andropov was apparently Don Don Cossack, but aren’t they as much Ukrainian as Great Russian? https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/3iwr4i/brezhnevs_passport_nationality_ukrainian/
There are Boers of South Africa that immigrate to Israel. (A single family which immigrated in 1994, was with hundreds of people in it).
Looking about the topic- it seems they try to remain in the West Bank, in the most dangerous the conflict zone with Arabs, and intermarry with the local people (probably increasing human capital – Boers are a very intelligent and educated population).
But underlying reason they were there is because of the religious (the Boers in Israel are Judaizers ).
Comment on Philip Owen here is the most relevant ones about this story (which is about non-religiously motivated Boers only interested in a convenient place to farm – which would likely not come unless government gives them some special incentives).
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Here documentary from Israel television, about a half-Boer woman who farms the West Bank (conflict zone with Arabs). Also student in university at the same time.
Farm is so isolated, when the father died in an accident it takes them an hour to arrive there.
In the night time, Boers do not sleep, but are guarding their farms.
Application for registration as a British citizen by a person after renunciation: form RS1
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-to-register-as-british-citizen-form-rs1
It’s got a bunch of tickboxes on page 5. So I’m guessing if you get the right combination of ticks then you get your citizenship back. Definitely worth consulting with an immigration lawyer before doing this.
You have your head so far up your arse that you can lick your own tongue.
And you have never worked a day in your life.
I have to agree.
It does. However his parents moved to Ukraine from Kursk, Russia. There are also Ukrainians in Kursk, but his surname is Russian. He probably just put Ukrainian because that’s where he was born. I’ve known ethnic Poles from Ukraine who were also Ukrainian on their passport.
Other documents list him as Russian. Here is a document where Brezhnev’s nationality is listed as Russian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Brezhnev_LI_OrOtVo_NagrList_1943.jpg/417px-Brezhnev_LI_OrOtVo_NagrList_1943.jpg
Don Cossacks are ethnic Russians – their ancestors moved to the Don from the north (in contrast, Kuban Cossacks had Ukrainian origins).
Chernenko was half Ukrainian, but his Ukrainian father was born in Siberia to Ukrainian settlers.
Correct. However a lot of the Ukrainian nobles/Cossack officers, despite doing well personally, resented the loss of autonomy. Ukrainian nationalism was basically created by these disgruntled ones, thus Ukrainian nationalism’s emphasis on Cossacks.
More of your obsessive rubbish, as per usual.
The Boers, primarily an ethnic mix of Dutch, German and French Huguenot are Calvinist in their beliefs, and generally speaking quite God fearing, but have also never been traditionally a proselytizing people.
Also, they have always been somewhat suspicious of the Jews, and if you know anything of South African history, with good reason.
Your animosity (bigotry) towards Anglo Saxons is well noted, but seeing as the most ruinous war for the Boers was fought against the same people, that the Boers would be nefarious pushers of Anglo Saxon “heresy”, propaganda, whatever is just plain laughable.
Whether they move in large numbers or not remains to be seen, but they are probably the most conservative Whites on the planet.
Switching focus, your animosity to all things loosely Protestant, or non church of Rome, is also well noted.
I used to believe that the church of Rome was the world’s single biggest cult. I no longer do, and accept that on the very fundamentals of the Christian faith it is a Christian church. I’ve even attended an Alpha course at a Catholic church.
I accept that there are many genuine Christians in the church of Rome.
That doesn’t mean to say that I accept a whole lot of wonky Catholic doctrine – which I don’t.
The Reformation was a great work of God. The church of Rome had a real opportunity to reform itself at that time, if only a little but, instead, in it’s arrogance and pride simply doubled down.
You are a church of Rome chauvinist.
Sheer nonsense.
The gist of this article is correct about the sheer depravity of farm murders in South Africa, and it’s a constant ongoing reality in the country.
South African farmers have moved to several other African countries in recent years to escape the violence, and have been welcomed with open arms to continue farming.
Some SA farmers have apparently already moved to Georgia some years ago – not to take up other trades but specifically to farm.
Say thank you to the Bolsheviks – any villager with initiative or minimal success was an Enemy of the People (Kulak) and removed. What’s left are the alcoholic descendants of the lazy low initiative crowd in their collapsed buildings.
Without going into the rights of wrongs of South African farming and apartheid, once the White farmers are removed these farms are probably going to look the same.
Also, it’s more than a question of neatness. Russian villages outside Moscow are just collapsed hopeless cases . In central Ukraine they’re better organized in a practical way focused on producing food, whereas in Galicia there are also some aesthetic considerations (flowers/shrubs). Go further west to Poland and a railway journey from Krakow to Zakopane reveals miles of neat flower gardens, or go north to the Baltics, and rural areas have a true level of perfection.
You might be right about young White SA SJW’s
But living in South Africa as I do, I’ve never met any of these deluded morons.
Then again, it’s probably generational and I’m in my mid 50’s.
I notice a number of commentators are scathing about the Boers handing over power to the Black majority, but it’s a whole lot more complicated than that.
The only referundam that was held was about “continuing negotiations” with Black so-called liberation groups, and nothing else. The Boers were the least in agreement on that score.
Apparently, a second referundam was promised with regard to the political outcome of the negotiations, but it never took place.
Politicians lying? Who would have thought …
Couldn’t agree more – journalism standards in South Africa are truly lamentable.
The decline in journalism is matched by all sorts of other declines.
The Soviet backed Cuban forces defeated the South African army in Angola?
Utter rubbish.
The only “victory” the Cubans had was a propaganda one.
About Asians and Coloureds not allowed to have schooling in South Africa before age 10, I’m not sure about. I don’t think I can take your word for that, but maybe you’re right.
The biggest mistake that the Afrikaners made was to essentially make enemies out of the Coloured and Asian people when they introduced apartheid. These latter people were more White-aligned than Black-aligned, and that remains true today.
I must also mention though, that White SA paid for most of the education of Blacks, Coloureds and Asians during the Apartheid years. Indeed, a hefty chunk of White taxpayers money went to that very cause, though White education was better funded.
As well, the Indian population of SA were offered a free passage back to India by the “evil” apartheid regime. Very few took it up. Those that did advised their brethren in SA to stay put. By contrast, many Indians have left South Africa’s shores since the wonders of Black rule.
Blacks in SA possibly dislike Indians even more than Whites. This is possibly because of Indian success.
It seems to be that from your comment that you think Ukraine would be better off with the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. What led Ukraine to became part of a greater East Slavic state, like the Russian empire? Something Ukraine had not been a part of for centuries, since the downfall of the Kievan Rus. Was it not the Khmelnytsky Uprising? Anyway what is your opinion and understanding of the Khemelnytsky Uprising?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising
As a member of NATO Germany agreed to spend 2% of their GDP on defense. As well as other NATO members.
Someone agrees to pay $2,000 per month to rent an apartment and signs the agreement. A month later decides to pay only $1,000 “Oh, let’s my neighbor pay the rest”.
You and “mcohen” should not talk about what you don’t know.
Cubans got more than a Victory. They humiliate SA.
If your objective is really to learn and not just to talk nonsense you can read an honest scholar (Piero Gleijeses) and you will learn what happened in Angola.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5149/9780807861622_gleijeses
mcohen doesn’t know what is talking about because russians “did not support cuban forces in angola”.
In fact, Russians were against Cuban intervention in Angola. They told Castro not to do it and they tried to stop it.
Utter tripe.
As for Gleijeses, he’s a Commie from what I can gather, so is hardly unbiased. And married to the sister of Yoko Ono! Ouch!
He described how his Italian father (in Italy at the time) was delighted with the German defeat at Stalingrad, back in the day, and his somewhat hysterical use of words to describe the horrible White racists of South Africa kind of give the game away.
The book I’m currently reading is by author Fred Bridgland, a British writer. The picture he paints is quite a different story. And he himself was an anti-Apartheid liberal.
The simple fact of the matter is, there were never more than 4000 SA troops in Angola during the Cuito Canavale battles. By contrast, there were more than 50 000 Cubans there.
The SA forces, and specialist units like 32 battalion, were simply inadequate to force the Cubans from their defensive positions. Not only that, but the SA airforce was operating under conditions of air inferiority. We couldn’t buy aircraft or updated missile systems due to an arms embargo, whereas the Cubans and Angolans were given stuff for free by the USSR.
So, actually, the Cubans had plenty of Soviet help, whether the Soviets were in favour of it or not.
When the Cubans upped the ante by sending a large force to the Namibian border, neither side was keen to escalate matters, Communist propaganda notwithstanding.
The SA government of the time didn’t want it’s own citizens to know what was going on, due to an anti conscription campaign that had grown real teeth. They quite obviously could have mobilized substantially larger forces, but that was a hot potato they weren’t willing to grasp.
So the Cubans were in a position to crow loudly about their “great victory” but, as Chester Crocker I think it was said, a propaganda victory only.
In terms of material losses sustained by both sides, it was very much in SA’s favour.
Bear in mind, negotiations were already ongoing between SA, Cuba and the USA about getting foreign troops out of Angola. Already, long before all of this, the government of SA had pledged to Namibian independence. It was a question of timing.
Also, the current Black government of SA won’t allow the archives of that time to be revealed. Why not? If their great heroes the Cubans had done such a fine job of supposedly thrashing the Boers, what’s there to hide?
Lastly, a laughable interpretation of history is that the Cubans without, and Black liberation groups within, forced the evil Apartheid regime to cave.
The reality was economic sanctions, the recalling of foreign loans – which was very serious – and the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe, thereby discrediting it as a viable economic and governmental alternative.
Gleijeses probably burst into tears when that happened.
I agree that Germany should not make commitments it do not intend to keep. Instead if Germany did not want to make such a commitment, then they should not have agreed to it. On the otherhand this agreement was reached in 2014 among NATO member states. What happened before 2014 should not factor in American demands, and be used to criticise Germany.
She has to go back.
Go back where? She is a Dutch girl living in the Netherlands (at least at the time of the incident), isn’t she? Aren’t you reaching conclusions too fast?
Contrary to the claims of both Ukrainian and Russian nationalisms, the Khmelnytsky Uprising was as much of a civil war as it was a “national” uprising. It was peasants and some lower Rus nobles vs. other lower Rus nobles and higher Rus nobles.
An interesting article on the topic:
https://day.kyiv.ua/en/article/day-after-day/pilgrimage-stepan-bandera-and-jeremi-wisniowiecki
During the Counter-reformation, there was pressure applied to the Orthodox (who had previously had no problems within the Commonwealth) to become Catholics. At the same time, the Rus princes and magnates (many but not all of whom of whom were converting to Catholicism) were gathering more power at the expense of the peasants and the lesser nobles. Thus peasants and lower nobles, and hardcore Orthodox, were both very angry. This created the perfect storm for a successful rebellion. Peasants alone wouldn’t have succeeded, but peasants led by seasoned officers (the lower nobility) did. The rebels, incidentally, had appealed to the Polish king against their own Rus princes.
Rebellion succeeded and Ukraine was independent for about 6 years. But it couldn’t hold out forever against a great power. After the Tatars proved to be unreliable allies, the Cossacks brought themselves under the protection of the Orthodox Tsar in Moscow. And so little by little, Russia absorbed Ukraine. The rebellion was bad in the short term (it brought massive devastation), good in the middle-term (the autonomous Hetmanate under Russia carried on a cultural Golden Age) but bad in the longer term (autonomy was eventually eliminated, serfdom was expanded, culture was degraded and brain drain benefited Russia, not Ukraine).
Yeah sure nutbar…
We are supposed to to take a shit-eating troll’s word for it…just like your bogus article about ‘Russian technology’ where you talk about ‘tablet computers’ LOL…[let me know when someone figures out how to put people in space with an iphone]…
And then proceed to blatantly lie about what was actually said in that video you posted…and the Russian language articles you pointed to…which didn’t even talk about tablets…
Not to mention your mickey mouse charts about Russia’s ‘output’ of peer-reviewed literature…based only on databases that track only English-language papers…while ignoring an entire world of Russian language technical literature, of which you would naturally know nothing…being a gormless shit eater…
What a sad clown…everything I’ve seen you write points to a serious mental illness…ie the inability to distinguish reality from fantasy…
The more you know. It was a intersting article you linked too.
” brain drain benefited Russia, not Ukraine).”
Would you not say that intermarriage between Russians and Ukrainians would or could produce a synthese of the two peoples? Did those people leave the Ukrainian nation in your opinion, as in they became non Ukrainian?
That’s because the South African regime practiced Apartheid on the battlefield and tended to use their black “allies” to shield themselves from bullets and bombs. Nevertheless, it was still their war and they still lost it. The Apartheid regime became so desperate that they began to make noise about using nukes on the Cubans. What victorious army invokes the threat of nukes? Of course, any such attempt would’ve been suicidal, as Pretoria was well within reach of Cuban forces in light of their air superiority. In contrast, the South Africans couldn’t touch Cuba in their wildest dreams. It’s called force projection. Cuba had the means and the wherewithal, South Africa didn’t.
Ultimately, wars are won or lost politically since the fighting never goes on forever. In any war, you only need to look at terms of peace and the aftermath of hostilities to figure out who won or lost. In the Angolan theater, the Cuban victory heralded the dismantlement of white supremacy throughout Southern Africa. Castro predicted it would happen, and it came to pass.
A South African military analyst described the meaning of his country’s defeat: “The reality is that they have won, are winning, and are not White; and that psychological edge, that advantage the White man has enjoyed and exploited over 300 years of colonialism and empire, is slipping away. White elitism has suffered an irreversible blow in Angola, and Whites who have been there know it.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fidel-castro-and-the-cuban-role-in-defeating-apartheid/5432980
For a small island nation to go halfway around the world to inflict such a defeat on such an enemy was legendary, and in the modern context, unprecedented. Fidel was one bad motherfucker.
Oh, here’s a fitting tribute to Castro in South Africa:
https://translatingcuba.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Estatua-Castro-Sudafrica-Prensa-Latina_CYMIMA20171026_0006_13.jpg
The victors erect the monuments.
Aah yes, more absolute shite.
Of course there will be statue of Castro in South Africa – just as there is now a statue of Shaka Zulu in South Africa, the utter tyrant who half-genocided the Blacks of
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I can see you can google. You have probably never heard of Piero Gleijeses before, certainly you have never read “Conflicting Missions Havana Washington and Africa 1959-1976” and now, you are an expert.
Google is wonderful!
“Conflicting Missions” is a scholarly book, 396 p, 102 p -notes, 38 p – Bibliography
Do you get it ?
If you are interested -and you seem to be – read the book, and you are going to learn something.
Anyway, if you read the book you will understand why your are talking about something you don’t know.
Yes, to read 396 p take some time. You know, not everything can be googled.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for dictators being them communist (Castro) or capitalist (those who are “elected” every four years.)
I despise MPLA and the Angolan elite that was in power at the time and still in power even today.
I’ m interested in the truth. And the truth is: SA was defeated by the Cubans. It’s a fact.
“As for Gleijeses, he’s a Commie from what I can gather, so is hardly unbiased. And married to the sister of Yoko Ono! Ouch!”
Let me just tell you this in case you are interested in truth and not in propaganda, ideology or lies to justify your world view.
Your opinions, prejudices, ideology, likes, preferences are completely irrelevant, if you are interested in truth. Othwerwise, just ignore this post and keep blathering about “victory of propaganda”.
“Piero Gleijeses is professor of American foreign policy at the School of Advanced International Studies at the Johns Hopkins University”
Piero Gleijeses knows the subject. You don’t.
Aah yes, more absolute bullshit.
Of course there will be a statue of Castro in South Africa – just as there is now a statue of Shaka Zulu in South Africa, the utter tyrant who half-genocided the Black people of South Africa 190 years ago. It’s the new South African morality. Great, isn’t it?
The only Black troops that were effective on the SA side were 32 battalion, which I already mentioned. Bear in mind, they were White trained and White led, with White officers and a mixture of Black and White NCO’s. But I certainly take nothing away from these excellent Black Angolan soldiers who made up the unit.
The other Black units from SWA/Namibia weren’t up to much, and as for Unita – well, the less said the better. Ironically, SA White-led mercenaries dispatched Unita as a fighting force in the post-Apartheid era.
I had a quick skim through the crappy site you referenced – oh gosh, so neutral and balanced!
If you’d taken the time to read through my previous post more properly, you would have seen there that an anti-conscription campaign had gotten a lot of traction in South Africa, not because of what the SA public thought was going on in Angola, but because many Whites objected to using conscripts to police Black and Coloured citizens of SA. Yes, I know, shocking to believe, but we weren’t all blood-thirsty racists – as opposed to the typical caricature in the crappy site you referenced.
The point is, the SA government of the time felt it would be a very unpopular move to suddenly call up substantial numbers of reservists to take on the Cubans. And what for, anyway? We weren’t there to defeat Angola, but to support Unita and destroy Swapo terrorists. And, yes, these scumbags were terrorists.
We threatened the Cubans with nukes? You’ll have to give a bit of solid reference for that one, as I’ve never read that before – and I’m not a total virgin on this topic. Most unlikely, as conventionally we could hold our own quite easily. Not long after this, we finally developed our own effective air-to-air missiles. The Cubans simply got their stuff for free. So the air superiority issue of the Cubans might not have been anything like so clear-cut afterwards.
Cuba had no bearing upon political change in South Africa. I’ve already mentioned that there were negotiations going on with regard to SWA/Namibia. Well, at the same time, for many years negotiations had been going on in secret between the SA government and Black liberation movements in SA. The general public knew nothing of these negotiations.
I can tell you, regardless of whatever fairy-tale rubbish you wish to think, that the main catalyst to political change in the country was the massive collapse of communism in Eastern Europe, and utterly not the non-existent “fear” of Cuban troops attacking us. What absolute, laughable bollocks.
This article was all about Boer farmers possibly settling in Russia. The Boers were the least keen to continue negotiations with the Black “liberation groups” when it came to expressing the will of ordinary people.
Unfortunately, there are always traitors and hence the slow but, apparently inexorable, grind towards typical failed-nation status under Black rule.
There are nine SA provinces. The ANC government rules eight of them; the other one is ruled by a traditionally White party. Hmm, guess which one is the best governed? Answers on a postcard …
Sorry, ignore comment 403 – problems with my smartphone.
I have no interest in this Gleijeses fellow – who as much as I can discern is a Commie scumbag.
I did reference the book by Fred Bridgland – have you bothered to read what he has to say?
I look up lots of stuff on Google, as does everyone else, but most of my research on Cuito Cuanavale isn’t.
The simple fact of the matter is the South African Army had a very small presence in Angola in the late 80’s, and for mainly domestic reasons weren’t keen to expand it.
The Cubans didn’t operate under the same circumstances, and being communists, for them lying is natural – just like communist regimes regularly do. So, of course, they could say any old shit they liked.
You forgot the black troops in the Cuban forces that won the war. Anyway, almost every loser blames someone else or something else for their defeat. Hitler even blamed the German people. The sum total of every aspect of life contributes to victory or defeat. It isn’t just about body counts or territories taken.
Some did protest township assignments on moral grounds. Others relished the prospect of going up against unarmed women and children. The prospect of being conscripted into a real war against real soldiers also made them skittish.
South Africa’s Strategy on Angola Falls Short, Enhancing Cubans’ Role
It is not only the fighting capability of the combined Cuban-Angolan-Namibian rebel force that has the South Africans worried. There are also the prospect of increasing casualties in the white conscript army and the financial cost of an escalating war.
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/12/world/south-africa-s-strategy-on-angola-falls-short-enhancing-cubans-role.html
South Africans Lose a Reputation for Invincibility
The South African decision to accept a truce agreement also reflects the nation’s war-weariness and public sensitivity to casualties in an army made up primarily of conscripts and reservists, factors that were evident during a three-week trip to South Africa and the border area earlier this summer.
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/24/world/south-africans-lose-a-reputation-for-invincibility.html
Usually the losing side in a conflict will increasingly moderate their objectives until, finally, the last remaining objective is simply to stop the fighting.
Here ya go:
The South African leadership responded by carefully playing their “nuclear card” to underscore their determination not to be overwhelmed and to make it clear to the US and Soviet Union that an extremely unpleasant alternative to a negotiated settlement was available. Prime Minister Botha ordered ARMSCOR officials to inspect and make ready the abandoned test site in the Kalahari Desert for a possible short-notice nuclear test. Mitchell Reiss reports the South African leaders elected this course of action as a means of signaling their resolve to the US and the Soviet Union over reaching an acceptable solution to the withdrawal of Cuban forces.
https://fas.org/nuke/guide/rsa/nuke/ocp27.htm
LOL. Sure. Okay.
A mighty, battle-hardened expeditionary army brimming with modern weapons and total air supremacy right on your border facing soft and entitled white South Africans accustomed to fighting ragtag guerrillas and women and children? You bet you were scared. That’s why you played the nuke card.
Yeah, white rule was so successful that it collapsed of its own absurdity. An Apartheid system is by definition a failure.
Yeah, these people really look white to me.
https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/safrica-02646987.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=720&h=450&crop=1
And their leader is the guy on the right.
Hey japie
https://www.quora.com/Did-Soviet-troops-ever-fight-in-Angola
Angola was the begining of the end.South africa won the fight but lost the game.In any event the multinational mining companies wanted the country kept intact and little damage as possible to infastructure during regime change to carry on business as usual.
Did you ever wonder why the sadf was so poorly equipped compared to other armies.
There was no war to win.
Yawn, what crap you spew.
That the old SA might have made a very generalised reference to nuclear weapons is a so what?
As it is White commanders ruled the Cuban troops, regardless of their general ethnicity. Horrible Cuban racists!
Others relished the prospect of going up against unarmed women and children. The prospect of being conscripted into a real war against real soldiers also made them skittish.
Sheer nonsense, and shows just how prejudiced you are.
Quite typical of a Black inferiority complex that you exemplify.
Truth be told, for all your preferred “history”, the Whites couldn’t give a shit about the Cubans one way or the other in the late 80s/90s.
I mean, sorry to burst your very fragile bubble, but things just weren’t the way you say say they were.
Lastly, the one province of SA that is reasonably governed is essentially ruled by Whites. Who is the premier of the Western Cape? The White lady in the middle of the picture, that’s who.
You might want to think twice before posting whatever shit comes to mind …
Dude, you’re getting routed like a South African Battalion here. Might be time to go Nuke-a-lurr..
Hardly.
Get to know some facts before spouting bollocks.
As it is, I’ve seen quite a few of your comments on Unz, so maybe not spouting bollocks is just a little bit difficult to do …
This would be true of any intermarriage between peoples.
The Commonwealth and its child, the Hetmanate, were more advanced than Russia. This meant that in terms of careers Ukrainians were at an advantage relative to Russians, and many left for the Russian civil service, obtained high positions in the Church (IIRC the first 5 heads of the holy Synod were from Ukraine), etc. These talented people were lost to Ukraine forever. Look at Gogol – a Ukrainian guy whose father wrote Ukrainian plays, and who moved to St. Petersburg from Ukraine, and contributed to Russian rather Ukrainian literature.
“I have no interest in this Gleijeses fellow”
Yes, I know. You’re only interested in propaganda.
“who as much as I can discern is a Commie scumbag.”…
Never heard about him before, never read him and now you’re sure -thanks to google- that a brilliant and honest scholar is a “a Commie scumbag”.
Brilliant, Sherlock Holmes!
“I did reference the book by Fred Bridgland – have you bothered to read what he has to say?”
No. If it’s from him you got your “propaganda victory” nonsense, Mr Bridgland can’t be an honest scholar searching for the truth. He’s probably a “propagandist” and an “ideologue.”
I presume that you also believe that the Red Army victory in Stalingrad was also a “”propaganda victory”.
That victory was also huge “propaganda victory” for that criminal regime led by a great criminal.
But no serious historian can deny that Red Army really won.
Your “ideology” impedes you to see the reality. You can’t understand the past and what’s going on if you believe in labels…Labels are only labels. Forget them.
We know today that communists only won because the capitalists helped them to win.
We know more. We know that one of the most murderous regime in history was able to achieve power in Russia because the capitalists gave them money.
You see, revolution is very expensive.
“and being communists, for them lying is natural – just like communist regimes regularly do”
True. Maybe one day you will understand that what you wrote is also true for the “capitalists” , “socialists”, “liberals”, “anarchists”, “vegetarians” etc…That day, you will start understanding what history is about and more importantly you will start understanding the present.
“Yeah, white rule was so successful that it collapsed of its own absurdity. An Apartheid system is by definition a failure.”
This is nonsense and you know it. One of the most successful “Apartheid system” is Israel and you can’t say that Israel is a failure. Let’s hope -for well being of all humanity- that Israel will fail. But today, we can’t talk about failure.
And I am not sure if we can talk about failure of SA’s Apartheid system.
Sure, today you have an incompetent and corrupt black middle class in “power” in SA.
But I am not sure if they are really in power. Maybe they are just in office.
“”For things to remain the same, everything must change”
Maybe that’s what happened in SA
“You forgot the black troops in the Cuban forces that won the war.”
This is false. You can also say that French black football players won the world cup. But we know that is not true, don’t we ?
The true is, even today, no African state was able to build an Army. Much less an Amy that can win a battle.
What happened in Libya – rape and colonization of one the most successful African country- proves that no African State has an Army -except in paper- and African elites are a bunch of cowards.
They did nothing to save Libya and the man – Gaddafy, who did so much for the continent.
Were they waiting for the Cubans.?
Of course those leaders have no shame otherwise they would commit hara kiri.
ANGOLAN WAR’S MIAMI LEGACY
When Pacino’s Montana is asked if he can handle a machine gun for the Colombian cocaine deal his partner replies “yeah man, we were in the army in Angola.”
Later on in SCARFACE it is revealed that Tony Montana had deserted the war in Angola.
The worst of the Marielitos were Cuban veterans of the Angola war who were familiar with combat like the Pacino character.
So essentially, the problem of Angolan veterans from Cuba was shifted to Florida during the Mariel Boatlift by Castro.
Thank you for the link. Didn’t bother opening it.
I know that today any fool can “prove” anything w/o leaving his/her desk.
I’m not calling you a fool, maybe you are, maybe you aren’t –
I gave an example of a serious work of scholarship that “proves” beyond doubt that what you said is nonsense.
Maybe Piero Gleijeses is lying. The only way to know is for you to read him, check his sources, and then tell us why he is lying.
I’m afraid that will take more time than googling.
The rest of your post irrelevant. It has nothing to do with my statement.
White South Africans and the Detroit Analogy
British South Africans, like the internal migrant white Southerners who moved up to Detroit to work in the automobile factories, were always British first just as the Southerners in Detroit were Virginians or Kentuckians first. When the shit hit the fan in South Africa as it did in Detroit, the British South Africans had contingency plans same as the hillbillies.
But the Boers relationship with Holland was distant and they are not Dutch citizens. They had nowhere, absolutely nowhere, to go.
This is similar to the children of Polish immigrants who themselves had worked all their lives in Detroit. Their house was worth zero. Probably you could not give a house away in Detroit. Their savings minimal.
The Boers who drove buses and were the backbone of South Africa unlike the British South Africans were stuck-they could not move to London or Perth.
This is analogous to Detroit.
Its also analogous to the Old Colonial American stock of the heartland. The bubble city whites and tech millionaires in California will move to New Zealand or Paris or Israel if the blacks and Hispanics reach a certain population level and the US becomes untenable. The Italians and Irish of NYC will move to their ancestral countries, where they keep ties.
But the Americans of South Carolina or Alabama or Northern Arizona have nowhere to go. They cannot even move to Canada. They are stuck/
Never heard about Gleijeses before? Wrong. New about him many years ago.
I have not read his work. I have seen interviews of him and he comes across as extremely biased against White South Africa. Uses somewhat hysterical language, whether that’s his Italian heritage or something else I couldn’t say.
He does come across as a communist sympathizer – and has received some award for being a hero of Cuba, or some such. Now, that I did Google.
I’m busy still reading the book by Fred Bridgland, an updated version of a book that was published many years ago, and it’s a good read. He absolutely is not an ideologue, as you claim, and was an anti-apartheid liberal.
However, most of what he’s saying is not exactly news to me. I’ve researched a great deal of this info before already, many years ago.
I have not stated a single falsehood in all the comments I’ve made about this issue.
To briefly restate:
There were no more than 4000 White troops from SA in Angola in the late 80’s.
The only effective Black unit was the formidable 32 battalion, trained and led by Whites from SA.
The whole point of our presence there was to prevent Unita from being overwhelmed by the Angolan army.
After SA had routed the Angolan forces Cuba sent considerable reinforcements to Angola, the best military they had, numbering at least 50000 men.
We were at a disadvantage due to the fact that the “enemy” enjoyed considerable air superiority. However, our own airforce performed extremely well in a ground attack role despite that.
On the ground, it was a different matter. For whatever reason, the politicians in SA ordered the SA forces to dislodge the Cubans from their stronghold at Cuito Cuanavale.
However, they were unable to do this with such limited resources.
Certainly, in that sense, you could say the Cubans won.
The Cubans then dispatched a sizeable force towards the Namibian border. Clearly this was upping the stakes. However, it is equally clear that neither side wanted to up the ante. At no point in all of this did SA go for a major, or even minor, mobilization.
Which then begs the question – if we were so frightened of the cigar-munching dagos from the Caribbean, why didn’t we call up just a few more troops? We didn’t because we weren’t. Had the Cubans crossed the Namibian border (they wouldn’t have) it would have been a different ballgame.
The general public in SA were absolutely unaware of what was going on, and to this day most still don’t know about it. The Black elite of SA, a kleptocratic bunch of incompetent thugs, hail the great Cuban “victory” as their own, due to their own utter uselessness in the “armed struggle.”
I did not get the correctly phrased “propaganda victory” from the book I’m currently reading, but from a US politician who was deeply involved with negotiations between Pretoria and Havana before, during and after the events we are discussing. I think it was Chester Crocker, but possibly some other US politician.
You are flat out wrong if you think I’m frantically googling to arrive at my current sources of information. Unlike my fellow countrymen, I’ve known about this stuff and been interested in it for many years.
Sorry, your load of waffle about Stalingrad is what exactly? What’s that got to do with anything?
Anyway, please point out to me the ACTUAL battle where the Cubans got the better of SA. Of course, you can’t, other than what I’ve already said.
Lastly, how much did Cuba and their ooh so frightening military threat impact the minds of White voters when the Apartheid government entered into negotiations with the Black “liberation” groups? Quite simply, just not on the radar at all.
It was believed by the SA government of that time, that communism had been mortally wounded by the collapse thereof in Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, this appears to have not been the case.
Since when did any SA battalion get defeated? The end of Apartheid was directed by economic and social change in SA. Angola was a vast emptiness dived by tribe. It was not a threat.
My main point is Karlin’s statistics and analysis are bogus. It’s not the most dangerous occupation and white rural South Africans aren’t in more danger than El Salvadoreans.
Well, being a police officer in South Africa is dangerous.
Being a white farmer is even more dangerous.
I’m not thumb-sucking, I’ve seen the statistics but don’t have them to hand.
Ultimately, the responsibility for farm attacks in SA lies with the government. They forced the disbandment of the commando system that was used for farm protection.
Quite frankly, they see the White farmers as their enemy, and I believe are probably quite delighted at what is happening. If delighted is too strong a word, then they are at least indifferent.
Some have been killed already. Russia is saving some others from killing and being silenced within a hostile regime, so the story can be told, so we won’t forget the lesson. They and their descendants (who will exist thanks to Russia) never will.
Yes, those Russian technical terms that are (or were) missing from Ukrainian were probably transliterated from English. Simple syllabic approximation, totally unconnected to Russian language roots or conventions.
It is important for, generally speaking, a broad association of Black liberation fighters, the communist and socialist international and all their allies, to believe that they brought down the Apartheid regime.
Commentators such as Truth, Okechukwu and possibly James Brown believe this.
The truth is that the West – and only the West was instrumental in forcing the end of Apartheid in South Africa.
We had no economic or social ties with any communist state, or highly socialist countries like Sweden. We had hardly any ties to other African countries, apart from sending relief teams when there were mine cave-ins, that kind of thing (not that the international media would ever report it, of course).
Militarily, we were in a strong position with an advanced arms industry of our own. Our G5 155mm howitzer was at that time the best in the world. We were upgrading our aircraft and weapons systems (with a fair bit of Israeli technical help).
Cuba had zero bearing on ending Apartheid in SA. Had they attacked SA directly, they would have had there asses handed to them double quick. However, it’s a pointless scenario to speculate on as no such plan was in the making – nor even vaguely considered by Pretoria.
This is what rankles individuals like the commentators mentioned above. They don’t like the idea that it was the West that put pressure on Pretoria and forced change. Nor do they wish to give any credit to White SA for allowing the negotiation process to move forward and the freeing of political prisoners etc.
Economic sanctions that were introduced in the mid 80’s by the USA and other Western states put immense pressure on the SA economy but did not cripple it. Sanctions busting itself became a growth industry. However, the recalling of foreign loans in the late 80’s / early 90’s was much more serious.
Nevertheless, the SA government was not going to hand over power to a bunch of Marxists like the ANC and their South African Communist Party comrades.
Fortuitously, Eastern European communism underwent a spectacular collapse at this same time. Therefore, it was believed by the SA government that communism had been thoroughly discredited as an economic and governmental model. Hindsight shows they weren’t exactly correct on that score, but that’s another matter.
The fact remains that it was the West, and only the West, that forced political change in SA.
It’s a very uncomfortable truth for many, including the current SA government but, regardless, it’s still the truth.
LMAO.
South Africa’s leadership feared just such a Cuban assault in the late-1980s at the height of tensions with Angola and Namibia. With over 50,000 Cuban troops along its border, South Africa faced its worst nightmare: the potential for a “total onslaught” by communist forces the South African Defense Force (SADF) could not overcome. South Africa reportedly targeted the Angolan capital city of Luanda with a nuclear weapon in order to precipitate Western intervention into the conflict had the Cubans invaded.
https://fas.org/nuke/guide/rsa/nuke/ocp27.htm
SOUTH AFRICA came close to activating its nuclear weapons in 1987 when the army was on the point of defeat in the Angolan war and fears were rife in government circles that Cuban MiG jets were set to strike into South African territory.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/pretoria-came-close-to-dropping-nuclear-bomb-on-luanda-with-troops-under-pressure-in-angola-south-1500805.html
And black Angolan pilots cleared their white South African counterparts out of the air. Piloting requires more intelligence than grunt work, no?
Oh, really?
Trapped by the rainy season, bogged down with their conventional weapons by the African terrain and encircled, the South Africans made one desperate attempt to break the encirclement on June 27, 1988 and was again defeated, with the Angolan pilots demonstrating that they were in control of Angolan airspace. One South African newspaper called the defeat of the South African forces a “crushing humiliation”.
http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:288776/FULLTEXT01.pdf
Not by the looks of their parliament, bruh.
http://www.wcpp.gov.za/members-page
Apartheid is too strong a word to describe the Israeli political system. We ought not to trivialize the meaning of the word. Israeli Arabs don’t face anything resembling apartheid-like conditions.
Apartheid as a governing principle is dead. Whites do continue to exercise wildly disproportionate power and influence but not under an apartheid scheme. It’s inevitable that sooner or later things will balance out.
I don’t know or care much about soccer, but why would you minimize the impact of black players? Why shouldn’t they be given credit for winning the game? Are you on drugs?
You are just full of hyperbole, aren’t you? Angola is ranked #48 in military power globally:
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=angola
I’m sure they can win many battles. In fact aren’t you on here arguing that they defeated South Africa? You do know that it wasn’t just Cubans fighting, right? Often times the Cubans were mere spectators.
Take your meds. Please.
Lol, dream on, negro. Keeping blacks out of our living spaces should be the sacred mission of every non-black on the planet. There is everything to lose and nothing to gain by allowing them in.
It’s precisely this sort of black nonsense that makes debating anything with black people so tiresome and frustrating. Sometimes I wish this blog would ban blacks from participating (few in number though they are), but on the other hand, reading their bullshit strengthens my determination to resist blacks in every way that I can.
Arabs in the occupied West Bank certainly do. Indeed, Israel is much more than just an apartheid state, it is a criminal state.
The first link you provide is obscure, the second is to the UK Independent, a lefty homo-promoting rag (I know, I lived for many years in the UK), the third uses certain terms of description that clearly indicate bias and the fourth is umm, so what?
South Africa never bothered with even the slightest degree of mobilization despite the apparently “serious” military situation in Angola. Why not? I mean, surely they must have been shitting themselves, according to you.
The SADF, with very limited manpower committed, and apart from 32 battalion, with quite poor Black military allies, was unable to dislodge Cuban forces from their strongly entrenched positions at Cuito Cuanavale. Afterwords, the Cubans sent a substantial force southwards to the Namibian border (though no combat took place), upping the stakes. However, there is a reasonable consensus that neither side wanted to up the ante. And for what purpose? To see who has the biggest dick?
Basically, that’s it. Please describe to me the great military victory enjoyed by the Cubans over the SADF apart from what I’ve said above. You can’t – for the simple reason it never happened.
Exactly one Mirage jet was hit by an air to air missile by the Cubans/Angolans. At least one other was shot down by a SAM. But hardly critical, despite the “enemy” having widespread air superiority.
Had the SA and allied forces been stranded at Cuito Cuanavale, which I think is what you’re suggesting, I can guarantee you there would have been a response by Pretoria. I absolutely do not believe there would have been a nuclear response but, it’s a simple fact that all nuclear “renegade” states drop the hint. Not unique to South Africa. Israel has a vastly superior military to all surrounding states and potential ME enemies. Doesn’t alter the fact they like to drop the subtle hint about having nukes. No, the response by the SA government would have been conventional, whatever other rubbish you think. But not something they would have wanted to do.
However, the numbers of forces involved mean that an encirclement of an enemy under the Angolan circumstances at the time is just nonsense. The numbers involved just weren’t big enough and Angola is full of dense bush. I know, I’ve been there. I mean, we’re not talking millions of troops on the southern Volga with open steppe.
The Boers have a deserved reputation for toughness (though I have some Afrikaner ancestry I’m not a Boer), but usually they’re quite placid. However, when push comes to shove, they’ve never been found wanting.
But by all means, believe in your own delusions.
Comment 430 aimed at Okechukwu.
Must have not pressed the “reply” button.
Are you denying that a South African newspaper described Angola as a “crushing humiliation?” Presumably, that wasn’t a lefty rag.
How about the New York Times that had reporters on the ground?
Angolans Besting South Africa in a Remote Battle
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/18/world/angolans-besting-south-africa-in-a-remote-battle.html
South African newspapers are worth less than toilet paper. Modern SA “journalists” are quite simply a joke. Who exactly was this bum-boy to write such crap?
The NY Times is a leftist Jewish rag owned by the Sulzberger family.
I couldn’t give a shit for the opinions of lefty twats. I know my language is deteriorating, but I feel pretty strongly about it.
Anyway, I have no animosity towards you. I respect all polite commentators. Granted, I’ve not been entirely that myself.
Simple question for you, are you South African or other Black African?
The “crushing humiliation” was from an apartheid-era newspaper. In other words, it was written during the conflict.
Sure, they’re leftist. But they’re capable of reporting news objectively.
By the way, if you want to have a little fun, read NYT articles from around the turn of the 20th century. The content would make the KKK blush. It certainly wasn’t a leftist rag back then, lol.
Same here. I enjoy a vigorous debate and you’ve kept it fairly decorous.
Neither. American with Nigerian parents.
The Apartheid era journalist was talking shit. Simple truth of the matter is that the old SADF was never humiliated. That the old SADF wasn’t quite as effective as they liked to claim is a half way reasonable claim; that they were ever humiliated is utter shite.
With regards to the NYT, I couldn’t care less about the utter bollox they come out with. They were more “conservative” many years ago, you say. Of course they were, just like every other media source. Do they push degeneracy now, yes, just like most MSM Western media does today.
Anyway, with regards to USA policy, I don’t agree with allowing substantial numbers of non-Whites into the USA, or the West in general.
And I do have Black and Muslim friends, however contrived that sounds.
But I have no animosity towards you and your family. May you prosper.
SA is comprised of roughly 11 tribes that have always been at war.
Historically the two tribes, of the 11 that have done the most damage to each other, are; The Angles and the Boers. The Angles have relegated the Boers to strong-back work for a few centuries now.
These have been the two most powerful tribes and the other, less powerful tribes have always been at war with each other as well, and remain so to this day. Personally, I see no logical reason why two of the eleven tribes should be magically spared from bloodshed, simply because they are the easiest to recognize, and neither do the other nine tribes, who have had little cohesion with each other, either.
Conflicting Missions by Pierro Gleijeses is:
” The best study available of Cuban operations in Africa during the Cold War…” Journal of Cold War Studies.
“Gleijeses’s research..bluntly contradicts the Congressional testimony of the era and the memories of Henry Kissinger” – New York Times
You can of course dismiss “Journal of Cold War Studies.” and “New York Times” as communist propaganda outlets. Maybe.
“I have not read his work.”
If you never read “Conflicting Missions”you can’t say if he’s lying or not and you can’t say you “knew him”.
The only way to prove that Pierro Gleijeses is wrong is to read him and check his sources. That’s how it’s done.
Again- and this is the last time -your opinion of the man doesn’t matter at all.
“Certainly, in that sense, you could say the Cubans won.”
Your objective is only to defend your “tribe”. I have no tribe to defend. I am only interested in truth.
I believe that you are also making another mistake. To say that the Cubans won, doesn’t mean that Cuban Army was SUPERIOR to SA’s Army.
Never read Fred Bridgland. I used to be very interested in cold war and the role the Cubans played in the struggle for “Independence” of some African countries.
“Sorry, your load of waffle about Stalingrad is what exactly? What’s that got to do with anything?”
I don’t think it’s a bad analogy. I was just trying to tell you that you should not be obsessed with labels, words, and “tribal fidelity” if you want to find the truth.
In another post, you also wrote:
“Commentators such as Truth, Okechukwu and possibly James Brown believe this.”
I like “possibly”. I don’t think I’m being unfair to say that “truth” isn’t your objective.
But you must know that what wrote isn’t truth in what “James Brown” is concerned. Don’t you ?
“Apartheid is too strong a word to describe the Israeli political system. ”
In fact, it’s the other way around. Apartheid is TOO WEAK a word to describe the Israeli political system. Let’s just stick with Apartheid and we can say -and this is a fact- that Apartheid we have in Israel is WORST than what we had (have?) in SA.
“We ought not to trivialize the meaning of the word”.
Monopoly of suffering ? of state of victimhood ? That’s ridiculous! You have one tribe that’s already doing it.
“Israeli Arabs don’t face anything resembling apartheid-like conditions.”
You don’t know what’s going on, do you ? Have you ever heard of Gaza strip ? West Bank ?
Even a former American President wrote a book which title is ” Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid”
“but why would you minimize the impact of black players? Why shouldn’t they be given credit for winning the game?”
No, I’m not. I’m trying to tell you that w/o the french football academies, experts, discipline, etc..those players wouldn’t won. No African country ever won world cup in spite of those countries having talented football players…Some even play in the best European clubs.
Same with the brave black Cuban soldiers. “Pombo” -One of the greatest Cuban Soldiers -and who played an important role in Angola against SA, wouldn’t be a great soldier if he were Angolan or Nigerian.
” Are you on drugs?”
Yes, I am. You should also try. Maybe you will understand a little bit better what’s going on.
“You are just full of hyperbole, aren’t you? Angola is ranked #48 in military power globally:”
No, I’m not. Just facts…facts. I know. It hurts. But w/o facing the truth, Africa will …always be Africa.: A doomed continent.
Mao used to say that USA was a ” Paper tiger”. Angola is not even that. Angola is a joke. I don’t know anyone that believes Angola has an Army , that Nigeria has an Army…That Senegal has an Army etc…
Suggestion: Don’t do as lots of fools do. Links don’t prove anything. Reality does. Angola is one of the most corrupt country in the world. Fact: without Cuban Intervention, SA would have colonized Angola in three days.
“I’m sure they can win many battles.”
In your dreams.
” In fact aren’t you on here arguing that they defeated South Africa? You do know that it wasn’t just Cubans fighting, right? Often times the Cubans were mere spectators.”
No! It’ worth repeating. Cubans won it. This is a fact…And they won it also in Guinea-Bissau and in Algeria.
Again: If you’re interested in truth, read ” Conflicting Missions”.
I know. It takes time to read 400 p. But there is no other way.
I wrote what is pretty obvious: What happened in Libya – rape and colonization of one the most successful African country- proves that no African State has an Army -except in paper- and African elites are a bunch of cowards.They did nothing to save Libya and the man – Gaddafy, who did so much for the continent.
Your answer: “Take your meds.”
Yes, I know. Truth hurts…Again: there is no other way except facing the truth.
If Angola is ” ranked #48 in military power globally” and I presume the most powerful economy in the continent, Nigeria, is “ranked 40 in military power globally”, why they don’t do something in Libya ?
Their brothers and sisters are being sold as slaves, are being raped.
I know. What I’m saying is shocking. You never heard it before…but it is truth. And you know it!
South Africa dumped a 1 trillion ZAR (USD 100 bn) Russian nuclear power deal that was brokered with Zuma and his cronies. Motive enough.
Joke’s on Russia though: there’s no way in hell South Africa would have been able to repay that amount, and the anemic economy will take a long time to build up enough demand to soak up that amount of power.
Wow – that’s actually a powerful outside-the-box take on the situation. Did not think of it in these terms.
The Brits did after all also go postal on the Boers; putting them in concentration camps and stuff.
Peace.
Well thank you Talha, and welcome back, I guess you have the right idea of leaving and returning to this site.
It is nice to be recognized by one of the very few posters here who attempts to show a modicum of class, professionalism and fairness here….
And no, that short list certainly does not include me!
hahahahaha.
Please point out to me where I have mistated a fact? I haven’t, I’ve stuck to only what I know. I’ve already asked you to provide me with the details of the “humiliating” defeat suffered by the SADF at the hands of the Cubans.
You can’t because it never happened. The SADF with very limited forces were unable to dislodge the Cubans at Cuito Cuanavale. Their Unita allies, in the words of the top honcho of SA special forces, were “utterly useless”, and therefore of very limited help. In fairness to Unita, not everyone had that opinion and some of their units seemed to have done OK.
The Cubans then dispatched a sizeable force towards the Namibian border, raising the stakes. No large scale battle took place but there were some skirmishes. I think in another comment I said no combat took place – what I meant was no large scale combat.
Did the SA government have plans to mobilize more forces? Very possibly but they didn’t do it, certainly not on a scale to be noticed. The current ANC regime won’t allow the archives to be opened, so many details of that time are difficult to know.
I know nothing of the Journal of Cold War Studies, so can’t comment about them.
The Sulzberger NYT rag is a lefty pile of crap that I couldn’t care less about regarding their opinions.
I never said Gleijeses is lying. You are right, I have never read his book, so cannot make that claim.
What I said was that he comes across to me as very biased in favour of Cuba and Castro, and equally biased against White SA. This is based on a couple of interviews I saw of him plus some other stuff I’ve read.
I mentioned already that he’s been given the Hero of Cuba award, or some such. Could it be that he wrote some nicely flattering stuff? Apparently, he’s the only academic to have gotten access to the Cuban archives. Ok, so the question is, why no others then? Could it be that the Cubans knew of his sympathies and felt like he would be a safe pair of hands? I mean, it’s not like communist regimes are generally keen for outsiders to look into their records.
There have been times when in South Africa’s fairly long history, White SA forces in one form or another have suffered military defeat. I don’t possibly try to deny it or say that water isn’t wet.
However, with regards to Angola, they did not suffer a military defeat in the late 80s – apart from what I’ve stated above.
But by no stretch of the imagination could the inability of a limited force, operating under difficult circumstances and with air inferiority, being unable to dislodge a numerically superior foe in a well defended position with air superiority – be called a humiliation. That’s the word you used in your first comment and it’s simply plain rubbish.
If Gleijeses said it in his book then he’s the ideologue.
You also accuse me of not wanting to know the truth and keep going on about Gleijeses work. Yet at the same time, you seem quite adamant that you would not be interested in the book by Fred Bridgland on the same topic.
Bit of a double standard, don’t you think? You give no reason for not wanting to read his book so it seems to me you simply are not prepared to entertain a different point of view.
I’ve told you why I’m not interested in Gleijeses – he doesn’t come across as anything like neutral and appears to have an axe to grind.
FWIW, I believe the Angolan conflict between the Cubans and SA ended in pretty much of a draw. A stalemate. We did not defeat them – they did not defeat us. That appears to be the conclusion of several analysts, including it seems to me Fred Bridgland.
Had the Cubans crossed the frontier with ground forces that would have been a different ball game. The top SA general at the time said he was itching for the Cubans to do it, as we would then be in a much more advantageous position. Maybe he was just sounding off – but the Boers tend to be quite a dour crowd. The Cubans, who made good soldiers and had far better pilots than the Angolans, tend to have typical Latin American machismo by contrast.
Certainly, Castro would have understood the risk involved and I don’t believe for one moment he would have done it.
As for your last paragraph, it’s somewhat garbled and I have no idea what you’re on about.
There is no Apartheid in Israel, dumbass. The occupied territories are not part of Israel. Your moral equivalency is absurd. While South Africa practiced hospital apartheid, Israel even treats at their own hospitals injured Arab insurgents who killed Jews. That’s not to say that Arabs in Israel proper don’t face discrimination. They certainly do:
Supreme Court Justice Salim Joubran criticized the widespread discrimination he says members of Israel’s Arab community suffer in the country and said that the equality mentioned in Israel’s Declaration of Independence for all citizens is sadly not implemented.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-arab-supreme-court-judge-arabs-face-discrimination/
Of course he’s an Arab Israeli Supreme Court justice. Can you point to a black African equivalent in the Constitutional Court of apartheid-era South Africa?
How many white or European countries have won the World Cup? Has Russia ever won? How about the USA with over 200 million whites? Maybe … just maybe whiteness isn’t the one common denominator you think it is. In soccer as in life, being white confers no intrinsic advantage.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Why wouldn’t he be?
More stupidity. Nothing is ever always anything. Change is literally the only constant thing in the universe. In Heart of Darkness Marlow allegorizes the Congo to Roman Britain. If someone had told the Romans then that these savage barbarian Britons who paint their bodies, were animal hides and eat each other would one day rule an empire much larger than their own, that person might have been summarily crucified for insanity or treason or both.
And yet no sane country would invade Angola today. It’s not the pushover that Libya was. It’s twice the size of Texas and mountainous with dense rain forests, unlike the flat desert plains that Libya presented to western armies. Moreover, Angola is armed to the teeth with modern weapons and hardened from generations of warfare. Yeah, they would win a lot of battles.
They could get in but they couldn’t win. The Angolans would attrit them and produce a steady stream of body bags. Eventually, the South Africans would have to go home.
In Angola, Cubans alone would’ve been routed and mopped up by South Africa. Guinea-Bissau had hardly any Cuban presence beyond some instructors and doctors. And Algeria? Jesus, you’re an idiot.
I have read it. I’ve also read Visions of Freedom. While I agree broadly with Gleijeses’ assessment that the Angolans defeated South Africa (given the multitudinous elements that anchor victory or defeat), his cheerleading for and obvious bias toward Cuba render his depictions of the details of that victory unreliable. I would encourage you to expand your reading list beyond this guy. The other side also puts out propaganda materials (some of which I’ve read). You’ll find that somewhere in the middle lies the closest version of the truth.
Libya was never the most successful African country. Its fortuitous combination of low population density and high oil production meant that Gaddafi could in effect throw money around to keep the people pacified. I will give him credit for stealing only some of the money and not all of it. The people did benefit from Libya’s wealth. But, apparently, revolution was percolating just beneath the surface and as soon as the people saw a glimmer of light, they struck. The man clung to power for 42 years. That alone was deeply humiliating to Libyans.
Oh, so you expected Africans to go to war with the US, Britain and France over Libya? Dude, you are on the wrong cocktail of meds. Besides, Libya is more an Arab country than an African one. It just happens to be situated on the continent of Africa through an accident of geography. What did the Arabs do for Libya?
Like what? The so-called United States of Africa with himself as leader? The fanciful gold dinar that would never work? Gaddafi did support some righteous causes but he also supported some bad actors. In actuality, he only turned to Africa as a petri dish for his ideas after his fellow Arabs shut him down and told him where to shove it.
LOL. You give yourself too much credit. Everybody’s heard the drivel you’re spewing many times before.
The whole of southern Africa is seriously short of power. RSA would be able to export as far north as Kenya and Kinshasha (the rest of the DRC not being connected to the grid). That said, the crunch issue is maximum demand so peak time generating capacity is till needed. Keep shovelling coal.
Cool down!
You made two statements and politely I tried to suggest to you that you are wrong.
Then in 2 or 3 posts I said 2+2 =4.
You’re free to say it’s 5, 3, 6…and to scream, shut, call names (your strongest point).
I thought it was possible to have a civilized discussion.
It isn’t. Good bye!
PS: Do I accept my apologies if I hurt your feelings. It wasn’t my intention.
No need to reply!
Slav genepool is perfectly fine. Who created the periodic table? Who sent the first satellite into space?
Contribute to him.
Buster is a troll account.
Well,
1. It’s not really possible to determine one’s race simply based on what he/she writes. One can lie about his own race/ethnicity too.
2. Banning blacks from our living spaces, let alone writing comments on this blog, deprives any level-headed ones of the ability to give insightful commentary and contribute; chances are, some might be in the same page as us. There’s good and bad people everywhere.
A hydro-electric scheme in the highlands of the Congo would supply industrial power to the whole of southern Africa. But hey you need to put continent before tribe, and before your own pocket.
Suggestion to all, White Identitarians, anti-immigration consenters, liberals, globalists, nationalists, NGO’s, human right activists.
Granular immigration is the next big thing. When both the potential host political entity, and the potential individual immigrant agree, what harm is there as putting talent to the grind. What “filosophy” of Left or Right can it offend. How can principles of greed be offended. After all, with regard to an eight billion population, some sorting must be done, we risk to annihilate a larger part of the latter indiscriminately otherwise.
What harm can cause a fluid, accelerated, “trade” of human commodities worldwide. What a feast to build layers and filters to the idea, what a nugget of “wealth creation”, what a consequential enforcement of identity “consumer” into “commodity human” and having the subject identify as to his pattern of consumption within the local layer and buy himself an identity for intra-deplorable use. Biodiversity at it’s strongest.
The bottleneck, the urge to having families, the right to associate in-group, and create in-group descendants, within the host country should be severely restricted. Slaves should “go away” not breed nor cluster and exist collectively.
The above is a sincere effort to correlate globalism with conservative nation state interests. Something nor Trump nor Soros, neither Netanyahu seem to grasp. Talent at the core, low numbers, and when not possible strict “separatism” at the lower end.
I approve of this, but I believe that the attached body comes with too much overhead. The necessary cognitive organs can be integrated into other machinery, so that the brain and the spine should be the only necessary tradeable commodities.
Slavery(using the full human body, mostly unmodified) is a reactionary and inefficient system developed during a time of less knowledge aimed at agriculture production. We know better now, and can make better use of cognitive organs and as the mind-machine interface knowledge improves, there seems no reason that we need to be shackled to importing bodies along with the brains at all.
Such individuals also can be dissuaded from normal phenotypical markings from creating hostile in-groups, and furthermore the flow of various biochemicals can be controlled in order to elicit less hostile states as needed.
Sub-Saharan African teams have done way better in international football (World Cup and Olympics) than teams from MENA and Asia (the majority of the world’s population).
SSA (Nigeria and Cameroon) has been Olympic champion in Football 2 times (in the last 7 Olympics). Only teams from Europe and Latin America have accomplished this feat.
In the post-Soviet era, Nigeria has a better record (1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze) than any other country except Argentina and Brazil. Cameroon has a better record than all of Europe, except Spain. Germany won just 1 silver medal in those 7 Olympic Games.
In the World Cup SSA has performed below expectations, but it has still reached the quarterfinals 3 times.
The up front costs of hydro are huge. The Development Banks don’t like big hydro anymore. Kariba has serious erosion problems. Shutting it down to fix them will have a major impact on the region.
Your suggestion is to the point, “working at home (outside the US)”, “telecommuting”, doing work as part of a project and group while not being physically present, is still a promise in the corridor. AI, genetic engineering might help, not yet there.
Now as for the “minimum wage”, caretakers and service providers workers, who cannot be replaced by machines they should be shipped for single, one-time use and re-wrapped for servicing abroad. That would be similar to reverse outsourcing. Imagine the greed opportunities in both of above.
The idea catches on, it is hidden in the open, experiments abound, the public, the human commodity of choice is fast asleep. After all, Black or White, Asian, North-East or South-East, who cares further then human commodity value. Our elites will be served on a silver plate, the tools and trades to prolong their dumbstruck reign, by the grace and submission of a middle class that parasites itself. A global bee-hive this one.
Of course there is an alternative, “the hungry cage of rats” model, the Jewish version of above. Maybe we should apply method and strategy to our middle classes equally, the last thing desired is their physical presence and screeches.
The Boers should avoid formerly-Great formerly-Britain if they don’t want to submit to Islam as dhimmis or worse within two generations.
As an American, I say “come on over, guys, we want you and need you here.”
We’d rather have millions of Boers than even thousands of you, buddy.
Here’s the link I forgot to insert:
http://www.iweblists.com/sports/olympics/summer/MensSoccer.html
Ranking by region for post-Soviet era:
Latin America (4 golds, 3 silvers, 3 bronze)
Subsaharan Africa (2 golds, 1 silver, 2 bronze)
Europe (1 gold, 3 silvers, 1 bronze)
Asia (o gold, 0 silver, 1 bronze)
MENA (0 gold, 0 silver, 0 bronze)
And in the 7 World Cups of the post-Soviet era the rankings are:
Brazil champions twice.
Germany champions once.
Italy champions once.
Spain champions once.
France above Brazil, and Germany over Italy based on goal difference.
Here is team France (and coaches) celebrating their World Cup victory in 1998:
http://cdn-football.ladmedia.fr/images/media/equipe-de-france/scans/la-france-encore-emue-15-ans-apres-le-sacre/le-12-juillet-1998-les-bleus-soulevaient-la-coupe-du-monde-au-stade-de-france/3260995-1-fre-FR/Le-12-juillet-1998-les-Bleus-soulevaient-la-Coupe-du-monde-au-Stade-de-France.jpg
for a minute stan d mute, was funny…at the start. then scope of his lunacy became apparent and it shocked me, shattered my illusion that I could make fun with the post. Pheeew! oh mi god!
the again Stan might be a troll looking for attention while he gets paid by his handlers. which thought suggested I ignore and move on. and I have. a lil’ tardy on my part..it too me too long..about 5 minutes too long
@Bliss
I’m not interested in football. I was just trying to say that Cubans- with Afro-Cubans, defeated SA -It’s a Fact
And France – With Afro-French- won the world cup. -It’s a Fact.
Genes isn’t enough. You need environment. Even if lots of African countries have talented players, so far, no African country won the world cup. This a FACT. And It’s pretty obvious why that hasn’t happened.
I’m against Apartheid so I was glad that Cuba manage to defeat SA, although that wasn’t the reason for the “end” of the Apartheid.
To be for the Cubans and against SA in Angola, doesn’t mean that one should be blind and incapable of admitting that Angola has no army/state. In fact, no one serious and honest can say that an African country has an army or a decent state. Some African armies have lots of expensive toys but that’s it.
I’m not an IQ worshiper as lots of fools are but you can not build a decent state and and army( and win a world cup) w/o a cognitive elite.
The tragedy of the Africa and black men is that no country in Africa never built a cognitive elite.
China was the first to build one and then the Europeans did the same.
China is a ruthless meritocracy and a country where is impossible to buy you way into the best university and then get into power. Jared Kushner’s IQ is probably 2 digits or a little bit higher. But he went to Harvard. JK isn’t an exception in the USA or GB.
Of course you have some People in Africa with very IQ indeed. Some even end up in HYP or another Ivy League school…but they aren’t and they won’t be part of an African Cognitive Elite.
Conclusion: Africa should follow China’s example and build a cognitive elite. Maybe they will end up winning a world cup. You don’t need a brilliant cognitive elite to achieve that but you need at least some organization, discipline and willpower.This is the reason why it’s nonsense to say that Africa won it. No! France with lots of Afro-French, won it.
Sound advice here. Much, much easier to follow though in a homogeneous society like China than Africa with its nations comprised of numerous competing tribes and ethnicities.
Peace.
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2018.07/original/5b519fa7fc7e93550d8b45c8.jpg
https://www.rt.com/business/433772-boers-sa-russia-resettlement/
“The industrialized part of the world has penalized Russia by slapping on sanctions which are still in place today, Bozo! Russia is a pariah and a menace ..”
— Don’t’ be hysterical, particularly if you are so much convinced of your own wisdom.
How about the Skripal affair — still smarting from the stupidities of the UK deciders?
What about Browder’s Magnitsky Act — still did not get it?
Conversion of Ukraine into Kaganat of Nuland — still triumphing?
“Ukraine’s economy is starting to disintegrate: Polish Deputy PM:” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-poland-minister/ukraines-economy-is-starting-to-disintegrate-polish-deputy-pm-idUSKBN0LZ1DH20150303
“These signals which are coming from Ukraine are very disturbing, because the economy there is beginning to disintegrate, economic ties are beginning to disintegrate… In a black scenario of developments in Ukraine, one cannot exclude an inflow of a few hundred thousand emigrants to Poland.”
Ziocons are moving to betray the Ukrainian patsies: “Corporate Media’s About-Face on Ukraine’s Neo-Nazis:” https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/05/corporate-medias-about-face-on-ukraines-neo-nazis/
Though Knesset is still eyeing the Ukrainian resources, preferably, without Ukrainians: “Israeli arms are being sent to a heavily armed neo-Nazi militia in Ukraine” https://thedailycoin.org/2018/07/16/israel-is-arming-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/
Unlike the savage bloody submission of Kosovo by NATO (natzo), Crimea went through a legitimate process: http://www.aalep.eu/legitimate-case-recognition-crimea
SOUTH AFRICAN BOERS & THE US WHITES-Some Parallels
The Boer has no connection to Europe any longer. He is not “Dutch” necessarily, but an old Colonial composite of French, German and Dutch settlers.
The British South African is just that. A Brit. He simply moves back to Kent, being possessed of English citizenry.
But the Boer is trapped in South Africa. He cannot go to Europe. A few manage to immigrate to Australia, but not the real blue-collar sons of the soil.
“Much, much easier to follow though in a homogeneous society like China than Africa”
Agree. This is the reason why I believe that Africa can’t build a “cognitive help” w/o help from China.
“numerous competing tribes and ethnicities.” make it much more difficult but don’t forget that Europe is also “comprised of numerous competing tribes and ethnicities.” and in spite of that they built a “cognitive elite.”
Good.
Then they should stay where they are and keep working. The world is full of dangers. A farmer can fall off his tractor or have a heart attack in the field.
Good point, but it took a lot of record-breaking bloodshed before this happened. It should also be noted that China is on its current trajectory also with an amazing level of loss of life in its recent past.
I know we think of instability and bloodshed in much of Africa being very high (and it is, relative to how other societies currently are), but that’s only because others stopped going postal on each other relatively recently.
Peace.
@ Talha
I don’t believe that today, to build a cognitive elite Africa will need to go through the same path of bloodshed that China and Europe went through.
Africa won’t build a cognitive elite because those who are in power in Africa are simply too dumb to know that Africa’s main problem and tragedy is lack of a cognitive elite.
They simply can’t explain why Europe is “successful” or why in less than 40 years China became “successful.”
No it’s NOT good because that means that they won’t be coming to America to reinforce our demographics.
Jesus, how stupid are White people in America. I’m seriously getting so embarrassed to admit that I’m American. Idiots.
FIFA? From 1930 to 2018, 21 tournaments, the list goes Uruguay, Italy, Italy, Uruguay, West Germany, Brazil, Brazil, England, Brazil, West Germany, Argentina, Italy, Argentina, West Germany, Brazil, France, Brazil, Italy, Spain, Germany, France.
57% European, and Western at that.
nearly 25%, Brazil
The difficult bit is determining whether Uruguay and Argentina are whiter than Spain and Italy.
Well you did ask ..
At least they get to keep their lives. Sounds like a good trade off.
Not to be obtuse but why let the other side dictate one’s use of language? Why not intentionally use their terms in ways that reflect reality? We’re probably stuck with the left’s lingo so let’s at least corrupt it.
If you can figure out a way to get them here, go for it. I suspect neither party wants anything to do with bringing them here. Which kind of dramatizes how thin the Trump Revolution is. You get to refuse to apologize here and there but otherwise it’s leftism as usual.
A strong, thriving Russia would be a real blessing for us too. And we may have to flee there ourselves some day. Russia needs people, especially people with skills and work ethic like these people. I hope white people being bullied by political correctness all around the world are invited to Russia and go there. The US can sell them the Statue of Liberty when the new Statue of Diversity is ready to install.
There are lots of intellectually mediocre people who were very successful in business in China over the past generation, many of whom never even attended college. But to enter the civil service, pretty much the only way into real political power (as far as I know), you do need to attend at least a decent university and then pass the civil service exams, which are quite competitive. But I don’t think the people in that are all that smart. A physicist told me recently that the civil service is for mediocre people who don’t really have many thoughts or opinions, and that most of the people in positions of power are rather mediocre. None of that was really a surprise to me. Of course, they’re almost certainly far better than the people who run America. It’s not just IQ; it’s also much that China has a much more realistic and pragmatic political culture. Though high IQ people are generally more that way, I’ve seen plenty of +3 sigma IQ Americans who are not. Like, there are some +3 sigma IQ Americans who still believe the freedom and democracy bullshit, who don’t realize how full of shit the US MSM is. This is more about political wokeness and realism than IQ. More generally, I find that Chinese are very straightforward, simple, and direct in their thinking. Especially in comparison to the Jew who by his very nature concocts all kinds of weird political sophistry dressed in superficial verbal glib. So, at least according to me, to many of these weird political ideas and movements which manage to take root in the West, a common Chinese reaction would be one of “how could anybody even come up with something as absurd as that and still be taken seriously.”