Considering the type of people who take him seriously – hard right conservatives, Gog/Magog cultists, “Final Phase” conspiracy theorists, White Nationalists – it’s pretty funny that this guy’s complaints towards the USSR boiled down to them not letting him race mix with Indians.
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Modern white nationalism with its emphasis on racial purity is almost as cucked as the self hating SJWism it rails against. In its revulsion against so called race mixing it veers into outright self emasculation. Any system of thought that rejects the divine experience of fucking strange women in strange lands is odious and unnatural. With that said, Bemenov may have become even more critical of the Soviet regime had he been fortunate enough to sample the goods of the Orient rather than the in my opinion inferior subcontinental variety. There is a reason any red blooded man who has once spent a good chunk of time in the east longs to return, whereas the most common reaction to travel in India is “never again.”
This story is obviously made up to try and appeal to Americans. It is simply implausible that anyone would be this keen to bang an Indian woman.
Is that you John Derbyshire? IMO, fucking strange women is ok, so long as you leave them to raise their strange kids on their own. Raising mixed race children consumes resources that would be better spent on proper white kids – it’s morally wrong.
Nothing wrong with a little exotic sport, old chap.
Reproduction?
Absolutely haram.
Not all of us were fooled.
Never trust a Russkie, I suspect Bezmenov would be the first to tell you that.
More seriously, Bezmenov’s personal proclivities do not invalidate his arguments.
In the US, any of the KGB’s efforts had taken on a life of their own well before the fall of the USSR.
Also, the Frankfurt School came from Germany to the US to pursue very similar aims with very similar arguments.
The Lenin statue in Seattle was built when exactly?
And nowadays no one is surprised to see it there and none is vandalizing it while other statues tumble or are defaced with idiotic graffiti.
And now this, for first time on the soil of the former western Germany:
https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-marxists-lenin-statue-germany/30681737.html
The negation of negation, comrade!
Коммунизм это правильно осознанная необходимость…
I enjoyed the guy’s pamphlets and I think there is a lot that can be learned from them, regardless of the fact that the guy was a currey-burner and coal-burner.
White men naturally prefer Asian women over white women. Bezmenov is just speaking what 95% of heterosexual white men know in their hearts.
White male raters have consistently ranked Asian women as more attractive than white women across multiple studies by different authors.[1][2][3]. Half Asian women were rated as even more attractive than full Asian (Japanese) female faces.[2] Further, test subjects rated Asian women and the white men dating them as more attractive than white women.[4] The higher attractiveness value of Asian women is explained by their greater femininity, wider and less convex faces, browner complexion, fuller mid and lower faces, and foreheadsl shape.[2]
This is the HBD reality that seems to be less popular among the HBD crowd. This is probably because there are so many cucks and white women (especially Jewish and upper middle class white women, who are cucked the hardest by Asian women) in HBD.
Most men are instinctively charmed by Asian women, and this experience is imprinted early in adolescence. Asian women have a “spark” that other women don’t, and we just feel better around them. It is therefore logical to reproduce with Asian women, reducing the level of “white woman” DNA in our country, and naturally, in the upper classes, by increasing the number of Asian and half-Asian women in our society. Bezmenov had the right idea, and it’s easy to see how he would view the altright with contempt, with the communistic cuckery and science denial that pervades any discussion about this reality.
[1] Sexual dimorphism and attractiveness in Asian and White faces
Visual Cognition, Volume 26, 2018 – Issue 6, pp. 442-449
[2] Attractiveness of Own Race, Otber-Race, and Mixed-Race Faces
Perception, Volume: 34 issue: 3, page(s): 319-340
[3] Racial characteristics and female facial attractiveness perception among United States university students. Racism in the 21st Century, pp 93-124
[4] The sweetness of forbidden fruit: Interracial daters are more attractive than intraracial daters. JSPR, Volume: 32 issue: 5, page(s): 650-666
If this were the case, then in Hollywood movies, the heroines would be mostly Asian Actresses, or European Actresses with an appearance similar to that of an Asian. Meanwhile, the opposite situation is observed – far Eastern movie stars do plastic surgery, so that their faces become similar to European ones, in anime (in General) the characters have clearly European faces…
That post was amazing until you started shilling yellow fever
If we believe his words he was already a hardcore Americanophile before he became a religious outbreeder:
I mean, Spam, delicious?
I’ve heard Spam is even today considered a delicacy in many countries, especially Asian countries such as Vietnam. Also in Europe during the immediately postwar period in poor places where actual meat was rare. So no surprise there.
I’ve never heard that Bezmenov was popular among WNs. Maybe more among neocons.
There’s quite a few anglos who like Indian meat, I met some. Some Indian women can be cute, but it’s not my style. Neither are Asians. Lots of people with “yellow fever”here at Unz, no surprise, LOL.
Sex with women of other races would be fine if it wasn’t for babies. Racially-mixed people are usually a problem for themselves or for others. They have identity crises and it’s not good for homogeneity. Of course the worse is black with white, but Asian-White mixed children are not ideal either.
this guy doesn’t look like he could get laid otherwise.
Bullshit, it has to do with the race mixing propaganda the jews pump out 24/7 and the feminist ideology being pushed so hard. In terms of pure racial aspects, Asian women are not more attractive.
I have no idea what this guy was moaning about at the time. From my own knowledge, race mixing in the Soviet Union was not actually a crime per say. There was no actual laws against it and I do know Russians did (and still do) intermarry say with Tartars. It’s just that Russia has always been socially conservative, even the surrounding countries and groups within Russia, that race mixing itself is more rare as people voluntarily prefer not to do it en mass. So no idea where he got the idea the Soviet Union forbid him to actually do it…
I’m not too familiar with Bezmenov, but, broadly speaking I think he was correct here.
The Capitalist United States has been something like Communism’s Godfather ever since that ideology’s embryonic beginnings in Revolutionary France. Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, apparently Ben Franklin, too, were all quite involved in getting the Communist anti-thesis to Capitalism rolling with the 1789 French Revolution.
With a few notable exceptions, the United States then did everything in its power historically to ensure the success of Communism. [See Anthony Sutton]
Thomas Jefferson did forsee the deadly results of Communism for much of the world, but blamed the French people (rather than himself) for screwing up the revolutionary dream and for:
https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/french-revolution
http://www.belcherfoundation.org/trilateral_center.htm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen
Sorry melanf, but your personal copes don’t trump the overwhelming scientific evidence that white men prefer Asian women, a small slice of which I cited in my post.
It’s interesting how many people around here become anti-HBD and anti-science when the data don’t reflect what they want.
As we are finding out, Hollywood is mainly run by a minority homosexuals and sexual predators. There is a “casting couch” that women must visit in order to make it ahead in Hollywood. Hence, Hollywood is essentially a form of prostituion, and ones success in Hollhwood is essentially a measurement of one’s moral character, or lack thereof.
Nevertheless, women in Hollywood and real life alter their apppearance to look more Asian. Successful women in media get lip and cheek injections to increase the fullness of their lower and mid-facial regions, to look more Asian. They use creams to make their skin look smoother, more hydrated, and less wrinkled, like Asian women’s skin. They tanning agents to make their skin look browner, and facelifts to make their faces look more Asian. Cheekbone implants and nose shaving (to reduce the prominence of one’s nose) are other ways in which white women emulate Asian women. The market share of any of these procedures in the USA and/or Europe exceeds the global profits of any procedure that could be interpreted as making non-white women look white.
This has been casually observed in composites of media stars who are rated as more attractive. The following image was created Dr. Chris Soloman, using EFIT-V Photofit software:
https://www.taylorherring.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/The-Archetypal-Faces-of-Beauty.jpg
The features typical of white women in Hollywood indicated a preference for Asian-like features, many of which were artificially acquired by the women themselves, others were natural. Tbese include straight, dyed-black hair, tanned skin, fuller lips and cheeks, a rounder, wider face, less facial convexity, darker eyes, and more prominent malars, to name a few.
Hence, even your Hollywood actresses try to look Asian and are selected for an Asian appearance. The difference is that actual Asian women aren’t immoral enough to prostrate themselves before the casting couch to get famous. And besides, Hollywood has been on the downturn for at least decade now; with falling profits since the early 2000s. Asian media has only risen in recent years, even among westerners. Asian women in Asian media look super Asian.
I look forward to seeing how you’re going to cope your way out of this one. But hey, let me know when you find a study that says men rate white women as more attractive than Asian women. I’ve never seen a single one.
On the other hand, there are studies in which white women even admit they are considered less attractive and complain about their husbands cheating on them with Asians:
https://partner.sciencenorway.no/forskningno-immigrants-kilden/blond-sexy-and-immigrant/1408586
So upper class white women with successful husbands become shut-in incels in Asia.
Cite a single study that supports your position. I cited four in my post. Asian women were rated as more attractive than white women by white males, and also black and Hispanic males. Half-Asian (half Japanese) female faces were rated as even more attractive than full Japanese women in one study, by white male participants.
I can cite more studies if you like. The results are consistently replicated. Asian women’s racial features are considered more beautiful than white women’s. Why would any pro-truth, pro-HBD white man deny this reality? Unless you don’t fit that description…
The odds that this observation is due to “Jewish propaganda for race mixing” would seem to be quite low. And mainstream feminism has actually done more to discourage interracial relationships among white men, particularly internaional ones involving Asian women, which are seen as disempowering to white women.
His issue was that he couldn’t marry foreign (Indian) citizens due to their potential political unreliability.
Presumably he didn’t just request a Kazakh girl from the Party since he wanted a marriage of love rather than obligations, and coupled with his pervasive pro-Americanism…
Bezmenov was a shameless grifter, which should have been obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than their temperature.
Is all of politics merely sublimated childhood sexuality?
The studies are asking people that are living in the ZOG states, no doubt the same people would answer the black people have the same intelligence as white people, in other words those studies are totally worthless. How about you look at real world places where Asia women want to lighten their skin and dye their hair blonde. Even that attractive composite thing shows white people not Asians.
The fact that in California men want Asians because the white women are fat bull dyke looking, does mean this what the rest of the world likes.
Yea, this whole story sounds like bullshit, because it is bullshit.
If he was really not allowed to marry Indian girl, it was because she was foreigner, not to save some nonexistant “race purity”.
https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/20151130a.jpg
one look at this skull, and all race scientists worth their salt understand that there is absolutely nothing to preserve
Typical defector talk trying to please his new masters by shitting on the old ones. If you saw one, you saw it all.
I’m probably gonna regret wading into this thing, but there are those dating site studies that show men responded most to white women, second most to Asian, third to Latinas, etc. I had collected those stats at one point. I can dig it up when I have more time if it is important to you.
To be fair to the yellow-feverists, as I recall, in later years those dating sites showed a shift away from white women and toward Asian and Latinas such that the Asians displaced the white chicks from their throne, and Latinas weren’t far behind. Maybe this is evidence that neutral‘s race mixing propaganda was starting to bite, but if so, it didn’t seem to help the black ladies, and black men (who are obviously the prime beneficiary of race mixing propaganda) were simultaneously falling out of favor with non-black women, so you’d really have to torture the propaganda thesis to get it to cover all the facts.
I think a simpler explanation is that young white women (foolishly) embraced the poz: obesity, tattoos, piercings, open sluttery, trannyfreakism, bitchiness, general ugliness. It’s only natural that men would react by shifting their attention to the next most attractive demographics. If I were a Millennial dating site user, I would probably do the same, not as a race statement, but just as naturally following instinct to where the attractive women are.
From your comments, it’s apparent that you really like Asian women as Asian women. Nothing wrong with that. But I think a lot of Asian women’s newfound popularity is simply that white women abdicated beauty and goodness thereby leaving their tawny sisters to inherit the field by default.
He is popular among the old cold warriors.
People whose childhood idol was Joe McCarthy, people who are checking for communists under their beds when they go to sleep and when they wake up, people who are still butthurt that Soviet Union folded without even one nuclear shot fired.
These types are getting rarer these days, but they are still here.
http://czechmatediary.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/lenin.png
Lenin’s statue of Seattle is private property on private land, tourist attraction for profit purpose.
It is the perfect memorial of victory of capitalism over socialism. If you hate it and want to tear it down, you are a communist.
Asian women have a “spark” that other women don’t, and we just feel better around them.
OK, you had me going there for a while. Nice parody. lol
Well if it is useful in bringing in some cash, then it’s okay. It is a proper way of recycling garbage.
But what about the German one, which has been recently unveiled?
What about the rising sympathy towards socialism and communism among the younger generation of Westerners?
You see, when kids think communism nowadays, they think this:
https://images.app.goo.gl/u9BnefWAxpuNepEZ9
And when they think capitalism, they think this:
https://images.app.goo.gl/9pCfLJbAVqkpkgdT7
I mean, even Nork cities look better than that.
Besides, kids understand that the postmodern capitalism is basically a scamming scheme for the benefit of 1%. They would not tell it in these words, but they see the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer and the middle class under continual stress. This system is losing its attractiveness very rapidly. The capitalists have had the upper hand in 1991, they prevailed, but pride cometh before the fall and so one generation later here we are.
Dialectics in action: the negation of negation…
You sound confused. The online dating data shows white men being significantly more likely to message and respond to Asian women, than white women.
This graph is from a multi-year study using OKCupid data. All races of men preferred nonwhite women, mostly Asian women:
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd.png?s=6
Another study analyzed OKCupid data and replicated the previous findings:
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815
This chart displays the rankings by race. As you can see, and contrary to what you said, white women are in fact ranked behind Asian and Latina women in online dating:
https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png
So white women are outclassed by multiple groups of minority women, who they outnumber greatly in the selected cities. That totally dispells the notion than white women could be anything less than inferior to Asian women. The odds that two groups of women, who are outnumbered by white women over 5 to 1, would be receiving more attention from the opposite sex, are negligible, if they are not significantly more attractive than white women.
But it gets worse. If the study included multi-racial women, white women would have been ranked fourth, behind an even smaller minority.
Asian women’s popularity isn’t “newfound”, and the research I posted was conducted as early as 2004-2005. The research uses normal women without tattoos, obesity, etc, and you can’t see their political opinions. And there’s no objectice reason to believe that white women would be more attractive than Asian women, since Asian women are closer to a female prototypicality than white women. Again, I find myself amused that certain people in the HBD crowd are so hesistant to accept good research where it doesn’t say what they want it to say…
Fried Spam isn’t bad. BTW there’s a Spam museum in Minnesota that, so far, has not been burned down.
Yeah it is a nonsense story. America had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race (obviously was repealed with the Loving case) and apartheid South Africa went a step further even, forbidding not only marriage but even having sex outside of your racial group. If you were caught even having a random non-white hook up, you went to prison.
Now comparing this to the Soviet Union, there were no such laws in place. Obviously as one poster pointed out they had issues with marriage to foreigners which was mainly for ideological reasons. However for all intents and purposes, there was no law or even punishment for actually marrying or sleeping outside of your racial group. So compared to America or apartheid South Africa, the Soviet Union was actually pretty liberal in that regard.
You know it’s funny but when I talk to Russians today and ask them how people living in the country view race mixing, it’s actually still viewed as something most people would prefer not to do as a majority. I’m not just talking about the whites but actually the various Asian groups living throughout the country. Native Siberians prefer to marry their own group, same with Tartars, same even with Uzbekis and Tajiks (unless they desperately want citizenship to which they try to marry a white girl but usually it’s rare). So despite living together for hundreds in years on the steppe, the vast majority have not actually mixed together into one homogenous mass but instead have stayed rather tribal which is interesting to view from not only a nationalistic but also demographic perspective as well.
I think this whole “let’s mix the world into one big coffee coloured race” is a uniquely American phenomenon. Out of all the people I have met, I’d say the Anglos are the biggest race mixers out there, especially amongst the men. But if you look back in Anglo history, it’s always been a phenomenon. During the British Empire, it was quite common for soldiers and officers to have sex with natives in the newly found colonies, even marrying the higher up caste such as in British India. So I think therefore if any group is going to mix itself into something else, it’ll be the Anglos.
The research I posted was conducted across a wide range of locations, including Auatralia. There is no reason to believe that location has anything to do with the results and white people from these regions are generally thought of as the most attractive of their lot. It’s highly doubtful, for example, that white women from Missouri, Alabama or Tenessee would fare better than Australian, upper class Swedish, or Californian white women against the Asian females. How could poorer, fatter, more dyke-ish women be rated higher than Asian women?
Please face it, my friend. You are coping. Asian women look better and everybody knows it.
As I said, white women spend significantly more money trying to make their skin browner, than do Asian women (and African women combined) on skin lightening.
Few women in Asia dye their hair blond. In fact, according to case studies, blonde women in Asia feel inferior to black haired Asian girls:
https://partner.sciencenorway.no/forskningno-immigrants-kilden/blond-sexy-and-immigrant/1408586
Democrats are significantly more likely to recognize low Black IQ than are Republicans, by the way. Most white people in these studies would identify as “slightly liberal” or “slightly conservative”, in my estimation:
https://familyinequality.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/gssracismf2.jpg
Out of all the people I have met, I’d say the Anglos are the biggest race mixers out there, especially amongst the men
Maybe second, behind Spanish men.
I remember seeing a documentary about twenty years ago, which claimed that men were attracted to females whose faces looked like those of babies. I would think that there is some overlap between babyish features, and Asiatic features; a good example of this would be Taylor Swift.
Yuri Bezmenov liking an Asian woman – doesn’t that make him a classic alt-right personality?
By forbidding marriage to foreigners, communist states were in violation of the Romeo and Juliet rule indulging ‘star-crossed’ true lovers
Indeed the nature of media and opinions on race-mixing – either aggressively pushing it as media now does, or saying it’s always bad – is unsettling
We are perhaps very far from what might be termed ‘organic, natural’ race mixing, which can only take place if cultures are not being slammed and manipulated by oligarch propaganda
India is a nation and culture ravaged by 1000 years of foreign occupations, and it is a messy place … but many still find much of beauty there, and resonances of the world’s greatest ancient spiritual culture, paganism unique in the profundity of its yogic / meditation etc practices
At first smitten with the young Communist student slender Indian girl he married, Bezmenov is said to have divorced his Desi bride afterwards
https://tfipost.com/2017/04/russian-spy-yuri-bezmenov-conspiracy-01/
Interesting that for Bezmenov (born 1939, exiling in 1970), it was youthful love and a skinny Desi girl attraction, that may have been the turning point of his life impelling his passion to leave the USSR
Some say Bezmenov was murdered in his ‘heart attack’, others suggest Bezmenov didn’t die in 1993 in Canada as claimed … Yuri, if you are still out there, this is for you
https://i.ibb.co/rvh5n5w/3-desi-babes.jpg
In the book Finding George Orwell in Burma by Emma Larkin,she states that Orwell had several Anglo-Burmese (Eurasian) relatives
Do I believe oriental women are more attractive than white women? Not really. What is attractive about them is that they are more pleasant to be with because they are more attracted to white men. How long that will last, whether that is just because they are here in this country that is still imagined to be a “white man’s country,” is yet to be seen.
Well, several studies by multiple different authors disagree with you. Men in general think that Asian women’s appearance looks better than white women’s appearance. When something is established in a study, it’s evidence. When the results are replicated over a period of several years in multiple studies, it’s fact.
Again, I invite you to show me a study in which a sample of men were asked to rate the attractiveness of white and Asian women, in which the men rated white women as more attractive. I strongly doubtly you can do this, and I suspect that no experiment has ever produced such a result.
Your proposition is extremely unlikely. That’s because Asian women are not really more attracted to white men than White women are, and men who Asian women discriminate against (black and Hispanic men) are as likely to be attracted to them. In fact, black men are even more likely to message Asian women than white men are:
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd.png?s=6
Asian women are not only more attracted to white men than nonwhite men in white countries, they are more attracted to them than Asian men in Asian countries. What we’re talking about here is rooted in biology, not national origin. The US is of course still seen as a white man’s country and this image has exacedlrbated.
Even the most extreme anti-white Asian women politically almost always have white boyfriends. In fact, from my experience the Asian girls with those views are almost always more assimilated (usually second-generation) and so are even more likely to have white boyfriends.
I think you are on the money with the reason that white men go out with Asian women. Even very pretty Asian women can look a little alien without makeup. However they do generally have more pleasant temperaments. I work around a lot of Chinese women and the amount of attention I receive is almost annoying.
This tells you how bad Russian food tasted to a kid at the time. The spam which fed, and the Studabaker lorries that transported the thieving soviet troops, won the war- as many old timers in Poland would say.
The KGB decided whom their rank and file officers could marry, top brass probably too, except maybe the most senior officers (they probably could snatch a girl off of the street) but I suspect your friends could sometimes turn the blind eye if your love interest wasn’t suspect in her patriotism and political loyalty.
In Imperial Russia, the estate manager would tell a peasant who his bride would be.
Hollywood reflect just cultural stereotype of their audience, rather than something about eugenics.
In Hollywood, the “hot” actresses have been after Monroe times -usually mixed ethnicity actresses (even when they are not e.g. Elizabeth Taylor, they look like they can be). The “sexy” actresses usually look “exotic” and mixed ethnicity. Although the heroines – especially for relating to women audiences – look “non-exotic” and just ordinary anglosaxon.
On the other hand, in the male lead actors, they are (except a few slightly mixed race actors like Keanu Reeves, Paul Newman, Harrison Ford), usually pure saxons e.g. Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, George Clooney, Clint Eastwood, Matt Damon, etc.
Male actors for Hollywood – audiences generally prefer not to look “exotic”, so usually pure saxons.
In Marnie, the “sexy girl” is oriental or mixed-race appearance Diane Baker.
https://i.imgur.com/jJcgqHY.jpg
While “heroine” (Tippi Hedren) needs to look more relatable or normal for audience (pure anglosaxon actress).
https://i.imgur.com/J3asGfv.jpg
In Birds – Hitchcock puts “exotic” role for Suzanne Pleshette – dark Hungarian Jewish actress.
https://i.imgur.com/pH0Z8kE.jpg
Female audience wants the most unexotic looking actresses, who they can find easy to identify self to. So Tippi Hedren’s less attractive daughter Melanie Griffith, is for such romantic films.
https://i.imgur.com/aCMPBQk.jpg
And then they use Dakota Johnson even more boring looking daughter of Melanie Griffith, for Fifty of Shades (which is completely female audience).
So Hollywood chooses for its most important actress role, someone who looks like an average 25 year old English woman.
https://i.imgur.com/PnnBjYy.jpg
What’s really morally wrong is siring children, of any race, and refusing to try to fulfill your duty as a father. Sounds like the animalistic dindus that we like to excoriate on this site. Not good company to be in.
No child deserves to be conceived and abandoned by his father merely because he is a pig who takes his momentary selfish pleasure and leaves his child in poverty, loneliness, confusion, and resentment.
Well, my Asian wife is beautiful, loving, intelligent, a dedicated mother, and a proud loyal American. (All you insecure white guys who enjoy personal mockery of people who should be your allies — and low-class attacks on a man’s wife or children — jump right in. I recall John Dumb-as-Plywood being one of them.)
But generally I do NOT find asian women more attractive or more appealing than asian women. My wife happens to be a catch among women of any race.
White women who are not morbidly obese, tattoed or purple-haired, or indoctrinated to sneer and resent men, are on average the most beautiful women on the planet. There are still plenty around in the USA and Europe who do not fit my uncharitable description, if not as many as there should be. And to be fair, Western white men haven’t exactly maintained their physical and mental health well enough either.
Dakota Johnson could be a CGI creation, if you wanted to stereotype of the appearance of an average anglosaxon young woman that works in the office.
Fifty Shades audience demographics were over 85% female, and presumably mostly women who had worked in an office. Hollywood is usually rationally matching appearance of heroes/heroines to the audience (or idealized, or non-idealized versions of the audience). When the gender of the audience is unbalanced to one side, you hire more/less attractive actors of the other gender. Male audience – hire more attractive actresses, less attractive actors. Female audience – hire more attractive actors, less actresses actresses.
That’s contradicted by the research in which white men are asked to rate the beauty of photographs of Asian women vs. White women. These studies are not analyses of interracial dating rates or intermarriage, but studies in which randomized dudes — most of whom have never had a relationship with Asian females, — are asked to rate the attractiveness of Asian and white faces. Here, have a look:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13506285.2018.1475437
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15895630/
A 2009 study found that Asian women had considerably higher facial pigmentary contrast, — an important measurement of attractiveness in females, — than did white women. White women even had lower facial contrast than Asian men:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1068/p6331
Let me know when you find research indicating that white women are more attractive than Asian women.
Again, if white women are the most attractive on average, why are the studies saying that Asian women are significantly more attractive? These studies use random Joe Schmoes to rate the attractiveness of pictures of Asian and White women’s faces. The Asian women’s faces are consistently ranked about 1 point higher than the white. Since the average white woman is not morbidly obese, purple haired or tattooed: especially not on the face, none of these pitiful excuses apply here.
Unless you can give a study showing that men rate White women’s faces as more attractive than Asian women’s, I’m afraid you’re just blathering like a Leftist ideologue would, denying the HBD science when it doesn’t say what you want it to. That’s despite the fact that you probably rabidly endorse HBD when it could be used to justify segregation or deporting blacks. It’s pathetic.
Even beautiful Swedish women have admitted they feel less attractive than Asian women, in case studies. So really, just do the honorable thing and admit you have no reason to believe the things you are saying, which are pure emotion rather than truth.
Is that true? Many action-type films have attractive male leads e.g. Sean Connery in James Bond films. I believe the difference is that in films aimed at young women e.g. Twilight, the male leads are handsome in a more boyish way. This is of course very similar to men in boy-bands and K-Pop.
This is how men evaluate women’s attractiveness based on cultural stereotypes. It’s no different from Hollywood. There is a certain biologically embedded program for choosing an attractive partner over which cultural stereotypes are superimposed. It is hardly possible to separate one from the other completely
This is just dark vs. light juxtaposition.
Look at the top photo in this link:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LightFeminineAndDarkFeminine
Even with the same racial appearance they have this dynamic. Though perhaps the legacy of Gothic literature may subconsciously reinforce the homely simple local peasant girl vs sophisticated mysteric/nefarious foreign girl association.
On a somewhat similar note, the discussion of how beautiful East Asian women really are brought something to mind.
I have the impression that Americans favour different beauty types of Asian women compared to native East Asian media.
https://ninchanese.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/05/comparison-4.png
https://ninchanese.com/blog/2016/05/12/western-vs-chinese-beauty-standards/
https://globintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Kathy-Zhu-1-e1563638430278.jpg
Contrast with:
https://m.ranker.com/list/famous-korean-actresses/ranker-entertainment
However, since I rarely watch American films or TV shows I am wondering what other commenters who may be more acquainted with American visual media think?
Audience of Hollywood films, were not so gender-divided in the 1960s. I’m not an expert, but I assume everyone in 1960s America, has to go to the same film, as most cinemas do not have multi-screens until maybe 1980s.
And look at how Hollywood is orientated to market-research – they changed idealized actor like Sean Connery of James Bond, to such an average unidealized looking Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig is almost the male version of Dakota Johnson.
It’s funny how average and unidealized the appearance of the actors who are lead roles in films marketed at their own gender.
Dakota Johnson and Daniel Craig – look like the most average English people that work at a low level in an office.
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There was previously another niche with actors for films with male audiences like, Schwarzenegger – i.e. idealized fantasy appearance actor aimed at how male audiences want to look in their imagination.
I’m not sure what would be the female equivalent of such idealized male acting job? (something like Winona Ryder or Keira Knightley? i.e. perfect face, small breasts?)
By the way, in terms of importance of race in Hollywood. Another funny thing is the Italian actors became the “artistic actors” in 1970s. I guess because Al Pacino and Robert De Niro, cannot be the main male role in mainstream Hollywood films, as they had too exotic appearance, names and cultural origin for that epoch. So they specialized in such more artistic films.
All contradicted by my actual experience and that of all the other men I have ever spoken to about this
In your example. American Chinese (on right) looks like “working class party girl (that might be girlfriend with redneck mechanics)”, while (on left) looks like “escort for wealthy Peking businessmen”.
Korean pop seems generally promoting more cross-culturally, appealing “innocent girls” that you would fall in love to if you were in school together. This is for appealing to their teenage fans- like East Asian version of what Winona Ryder is for 1980s American cinema.
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However, some beauty preferences exist that can be really unique for cultures . For example, why are Japanese attracted to women with an extra tooth, so they actually have surgery add an extra tooth?
https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/why-japanese-women-go-for-fake-crooked-teeth
So e.g. this girl on right in video might actually had surgery to add an extra tooth. There’s no biological explanation for anyone to be attracted for that – it’s an aesthetic preference purely created by Japanese acculturation.
Our aesthetic preferences are partly effected by culture, more than I would intuitively imagine, and therefore effected by geopolitical power.
Although at least as men we are a bit more objective about it (being more simply attracted to physical health, youth, hormones, etc) than women who are even more culturally dependent.
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Similarly I cannot make myself attracted to Chinese women, at least with limited exposure to them. But this undoubtedly has a lot to the fact that, for people of my generation, viewing Chinese as racially below ourselves.
The next generation (Generation Z) already cargo-cults for Korean pop culture, internationally. So I assume their preferences (of Generation Z) is changing already from my generation, as the geopolitical power of East Asia has increased in the last years.
No it didn’t. Virginia had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race. As did about 15 other states at the time of the Loving v. Virginia case.
So how did the Virginia Lovings get married in the first place if it was illegal in Virginia? Simple, they crossed the border.
The average Asian woman exhibits a far higher degree of neotenous characteristics for a longer period of time than the average white American woman, who is horribly obese, haggard-looking, and unpleasantly masculine by the age of 35.
She looks far too much like her father, Don Johnson.
I can’t wait for Hollyweird to ruin the Miami Vice remake by casting her as Suzanne Crockett.
I don’t know when your OKCupid data came from, but as you can see here,
http://archive.is/Pg6Ks
in 2009, white men preferred white women, Asian women in second place, Latinas third, as I said in the original comment. (Latino men had the same preferences as white men, even preferring white women over Latinas. Black men preferred Asian and Latina equally. Asian men preferred Asian women first, white women second.)
This basic pattern was not anomalous at the time, and probably stretched back centuries if not millennia more or less consistently. (Okay, maybe not for black guys, but they were in an anomalous situation, being outside their “home” culture for several generations.)
As the 2010s rolled in though, the position of white women deteriorated precipitously and non-white women correspondingly rose, such that Asians, and by some measures Latinas, eclipsed them. Thus today, we have the historically unprecedented situation that white men prefer to date outside thier race. As mentioned, I don’t think the reason for this is mysterious. It is simply that white women embraced the culture of dysfunction. But, this is a recent phenomenon. White women could reclaim the throne if they chose. (There is no indication of this happening soon though.)
The Science and Economist data, which are actually the same data set, are from 2014, after the great #WhiteWomanAbdication, so they show Asians and Latinas slightly ahead of white women.
These data are based on revealed messaging preferences among individual respondents, so the size of the ethnic groups has no bearing on the results.
Maybe, depends on which races make up the multis, I suspect.
Depends if you consider the early 2010s to be “new”. I do. But if someone entered puberty within the last eight or ten years, I can understand that the recent sexual landscape may appear permanent.
Cite?
Well, there’s the last few thousand years of recorded history, but perhaps that is hard to balance against Asian women’s relative appeal right now.
Again, that’s something recent. Historically, the relatively hip-less and breast-less Asian look wasn’t so desired.
Also, as a reminder, everything discussed in these comments of ours is for dating, not marriages or breeding. As other commenters have averred, those can be very different categories.
If you like Asian women and want Hapa kids, that’s cool. You’ll get no grief from me.
I’m just pointing out as a matter of accuracy that white women once held the throne of feminine desirability. Their overthrow was recent, and IMHO, self inflicted.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, isn’t it, Mahogany?
Bezmenov was an economic migrant, rather than a true refugee.
I don’t imagine preferences of dating websites, is a very good data for knowing which nationality of women that men prefer. Online daters are perhaps interested in women who they think might respond to them, or answer to them. Chinese women of the immigrant background in Western countries, are probably looking for a Western partner, so they may be more responsive on such sites.
Also are they controlling for the attractiveness of the women? It’s possible better looking Chinese women were using those websites than the European women on them.
Our aesthetics really are more culturally dependent, than we would imagine intuitively, or that makes sense for people like evolutionary psychologists. For example, obsession of European artists for extremely obese women from the 16th-18th century. While in 15th-16th century Northern European art, they are still really thin, and there was preference in the art for small breasts.
And then there are preferences which only exist in certain countries, like Japanese love of women having bad teeth. While there are others which can be mobilized around the world by capitalist industries like the production of shaving equipment – women shaving all their bodyhair is a recent fashion – young women as late as 1970s USSR are not shaving (although unlike the Japanese preference for bad teeth in women, shaving bodyhair is consistent to some logic – that less hair is sexually dimorphic for women).
Yes, those are all good points.
It may also be that Chinese adventuresses who travel to Western countries expecting to reap good fortune are above average in appearance, so Westerners get a skewed impression of Chinese women. This would be similar to the way that Chinese men who travel to the West tend to be above average in intelligence so we get a skewed impression of Chinese intelligence.
No they are not controlling for it. Appearance is more or less the dependent variable whose value they are trying to discover.
Yeah, I think I just said the same thing above in a different way.
Could be. Another thing that occurred to me is that there is now a younger generation or so (late-Y and Z) that was raised on a diet heavy with Japanese amine, so that may have inculcated an early preference for a more Asian look, especially in facial features.
Looking at your earlier comments, which I also agree with, …
A big part of this
that I have never seen discussed is the characteristic upturned eye shape shared by Diane Baker, Melania Trump, Sophia Loren, Lucy Liu, Bella Hadid, Gabrielle Union, and a slew of Scandinavians. We often call this an “Asian” look, but in reality, it is neither ubiquitous to Asians nor exclusive to Asians. Indeed, it may be more common in Northeastern Europe. I think it is a big carrier of the exotic, mysterious, inscrutable look.
Conversely, the non-upturned eyes is one of the defining features of the girl-next-door look, or “AngloSaxon” look, as you call it. It suggests a more ingenuous, guileless, homey personality.
I have the impression that upturned eyes may be a feature of neotony. Young children often have upturned eyes, even if they grow out it later.
If you’re a defector you are by definition a traitor. Why would anyone trust a traitor?
White women abandoned femininity. Then they were surprised that men were no longer attracted to them.
That’s my impression. I am just wondering if my impression that ideal-type American Asian actresses are darker than Asian ideal-type actresses is true.
It is possible that class affects the appearance of the Mexicans. If the commenters encounter low-class Mexicans who lack cultivation then they may have poor grooming, overweight (apparently, according to statistics, obesity is a big problem in Mexico) and dress poorly, as well as a higher proportion of Amerindian mixture.
I don’t have a high sample of Latin Americans I have encountered in Europe, so I can only speculate.
In any case, the commenters here are contrary to normie America, where white Americans interbreed at a high comparative rate with Latin Americans (see PEW).
From my personal view, there is a very big gulf between the (lack of) beauty of peasant Chinese and their bourgeois counterparts.
The Wikipedia article is written from a very liberal point of view, but it does include examples of time periods and nationalities that are not very powerful but still had widespread Asian-European intermarriage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
It’s completely fitting that the Germans would honor their agent.
Ok, men who hold such views should not have interracial sex ever!
The casting of a dark-haired or brunette as the “sexy but dangerous” woman and the blonde as the heroin or the purer one is much older than Hitchcock or Hollywood. In “Sunrise” by Murnau you have the most clear example of the stereotype, but it goes much further back, probably even to the Middle Ages. It is really an archetype about light vs dark, where the hair is just a metaphor, so to speak.
The studies posted are using artificial computed generated faces. So it would be unsurprising if they produce results which are insignificant with lived experience. The third study posted(Belletti and Wade) does not even support what JohnPlywood claims.
These studies of faces for example are also assuming hair color has no impact on rated attractiveness, which I doubt.
In the case of generated interracial faces, most of the ones I have seen from these studies do not even look much like actual interracial people. Computed generated interracial faces being rated as more attractive is likely an artifact of defects being averaged out.
Also keep in mind that JohnPlywood/SamCoulton is a troll. Ignore him.
I don’t know why anyone should care that much anyway what random people consider attractive. If the Jeff Stryker’s of the world want to bang Filipinas, it’s no skin off my back, but I would rather they stay in the Philippines. Many people consider tattoos ok nowadays. It is no surprise if they have trashy taste in general.
I suspect one of the things is that Asians tend not to get fat as easily as Europeans. Given the extremely obesogenic environment in America at least, this is a huge advantage in the dating market. (It may not necessarily translate to better health–apparently the BMI cutoff is 23 rather than 25 for Asians, they start developing diabetes earlier.)
Also, they’re smaller and look younger, which is an advantage for women. (The men have a harder time, as you can see if you surf the web. I am curious to see if this changes as China’s status rises internationally.)
No offense, but this post is dumb. It’s quite common for invading soldiers to bang women wherever they go, it’s not an Anglo phenomenon. Whole societies(Latin American specifically, though also some Polynesian societies) were formed this way. In the case of Anglo settlers societies, they were formed more by folk migrations and had less mixing.
Saying Anglos today are more likely to mix is trivial anyway since Anglo societies are full of immigrants.
No.
This should say inconsistent.
I’m not talking so much about intermarriage with Asians – people marry what is available to them, by historical circumstances – , but aspiring to marry East Asian women, and viewing East Asian women as attractive from a distance, can be a product of geopolitical relationships, and power between countries.
For generation Z in Europe and America, Japanese culture and Kpop, is something they cargo-cult to. It is aspirational culture for youth around the world, so they are now much more habituated – and even aspire to – oriental appearances, compared to previous generations.
It’s possible, but I assume the judgement for Americans on this topic, is quite a distorted one, considering the master-slave relation between the countries.
Mexicans are mostly helots in the USA, or in states like California – who are cleaning the toilets or picking vegetables.
If the power was reversed, and Americans were a cheap slave labour in Mexico. Then the aspirations would reverse. I.e. Marrying a Mexican would become “aspirational” and American youth would be cargo culting to Mexican culture.
Think about our own view about how Americans look, is filtered through our (justified) love of American actresses, films, etc.
Diane Baker looks actually Chinese though , although I could not read that she has oriental roots (at least in her Wikipedia article).
It’s more extreme of Soviet actress Tatiana Samoilova, who has no oriental nationality roots (her oriental appearance is somehow from Jewish roots).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alrazITGeEU
However, a lot of the “sexy” actresses of Hollywood and other film industries, do not have oriental eye shape.
They are disproportionately biracial though. It’s probably something to do with that the mix of ethnicity, perhaps makes them unconsciously seem ambiguous in some way to the audience.
For example, Isabelle Adjani (half Algerian-Muslim half German)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HBqXPeZbhTQ/maxresdefault.jpg
Jennifer Connelly another “exotic” mix of the white and dark races (half Irish/half Jewish)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/5f/2d/e35f2d4ffa93af8baa844c3a21b54775.jpg
Anastasiya Vertinskaya (half Georgian/half Ukrainian)
https://uznayvse.ru/images/content/2019/12/uzn_15768401606.jpg
Even Latin actresses like Salma Hayek – half-Arab, half-Mexican. She has an Arab skin colour – but still attractive for mainstream audiences because of a Spanish face.
https://www4.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Salma+Hayek+Stand+Up+Cancer+Benefit+set3r8Ypohul.jpg
One thing I never understood by Bezmenov is that he lists plans that span upwards of 70 years and claims that the soviet union has experimented all the steps on “other countries”, despite the span of USSR soft power being crudely obvious and limited in time.
Miscengenation was either outlawed or culturally ostracized in almost all white countries up until the 20th century. You’re not going up against white nationalist skinheads, but a good chunk of western history.
I don’t mind if you want to plow the rice, but let’s not be dishonest about it.
Whenever someone cites Bezmenov I know I can stop paying attention.
The man was a traitor as opposed to a dissident. You can tell because he wasn’t satisfied with a Russianess QT. What is wrong with him? People who cite him today are not living in reality. The risk isn’t that Russia is going to install a friendly regime in Afghanistan or LatAm, the risk is that the Chinese are going to buy the congress and flood the USA with 200 million Han, or that Bioleninist forces will turn America into a giant South Africa. Sad that we are so far from the old cold war, yet broadly people on the right aren’t able to adopt new political maps.
we have to control for fatness and tattoos. The Asian women will have far fewer fatties and far fewer totally covered in tats. That’s going to drive up appeal. Your non-fat white girls with fewer and smaller tattoos (because let’s be real they all have them now) will have more appeal than Asians.