Back in 2016, Twitter bannings mostly targeted Gamergaters who pissed off the Gamerghazi clique who have seized Twitter’s Orwellian-named “Trust & Safety Council,” as well as the occasional outright Neo-Nazi.
Now it seems to be extending beyond those groups to the entirety of the Alt Right, including the milquetoast Alt Lite, to NRx, and even the HBDsphere.
The past week has seen the following people banned from @jack’s playground:
(1) The philosopher Nick Land got banned for accelerating too damn hard. Pay my respects to Gnon, will you? (edit: He has since been unsuspended).
This was a particularly shocking development considering that his account has been consistently polite and non-aggressive and his ideology belongs to the milquetoast techno-commercialist, not ethnonationalist, wing of NRx.
(2) The entire core of #FrogTwitter, the irreverent band of archaeo-futurist cultural critics/trolls, for no discernible (non-political) reason. In particular:
@BronzeAgePerv, the nudist fascist bodybuilder who called to return to spirit of the Bronze Age, burn down the cities in fire, and deadlift our way to the Trumpenreich
He was recently featured in the Atlantic thanks to a trolling Moldbug.
He was evidently banned for terrifying the bugmen of Twitter with his excesses of unvarnished masculine energies.
@menaquinone4, author of the best tweet on the Internet.
also your basic income determined by the social justice quotient of your social media posts and shares
But his deconstruction of the Derp State made him too woke for Twitter, especially when his humiliation of McMullin was RTed by Ann Coulter:
Egg McMuffin didn’t like that.
(3) @kantbot2000, the guy who believed Trump will make German Idealism Great Again, seems to have been shoahed too.
(4) Master of the Shiv @ChateauEmissary, second time round.
(5) Gamergate icon @Sargon_of_Akkad banned (then unbanned) once again, again for no discernible reason.
In retrospect, looks like @jokeocracy was prescient – he, at least, went out with the dignity of a literary suicide bomber.
Anyhow, it looks more and more obvious that they’re working off a list.
A few weeks ago, an anonymous poster who claimed to be a Twitter insider claimed there is a list of 700+ accounts slated for liquidation, and posted the 250 most prominent of them at /pol/.
Although there is no way to way to check his authenticity, assembling this list (especially of the already purged accounts) would have required considerable effort, especially just for a /pol/ shitpost. And it is striking that ALL of the subjects of Twitter’s recent bans have are in his Black Book. One might be a coincidence, two is suspicious, 5+ is a targeted purge.
I compiled that pollack’s separate images into one big image list at the bottom of the post.
For now, I will highlight some of the more prominent, intelligent, and/or amusing accounts whose days are probably numbered. Accounts that will be familiar to many Unz.com readers are bolded:
- AnnCoulter herself (she is one of the 43 accounts that Trump follows, and incidentally, menaquinone4’s suspension was probably directly linked to her RT’ing his humiliation of Egg McMuffin).
- Prison Planet
- Cernovich (PRIORITY)
- Gavin_McInnes
- Sargon_of_Akkad (reverted)
- StefanMolyneux
- Ricky_Vaughn99 (banned)
- RichardSpencer (reverted) – Unusual that he was let out, and even presented with a Verification badge.
- ramzpaul (PRIORITY)
- wesearchr (banned)
- vdare (PRIORITY)
- AmRenaissance (PRIORITY)
- ReactionaryTree (banned)
- TOOEdit (PRIORITY) – Kevin MacDonald. @occdissent is also on it.
- Steve_Sailer – Julia Ioffe will have her revenge.
- ChateauEmissary (banned) – For the second time.
- WrathOfGnon – Really hope he keeps regular backups of his archives, this is arguably the best NRx account on Twitter.
- altright_fanfic
- BronzeAgePerv (PRIORITY) – Head of #frogtwitter, undisputed leader of the Alt Right, recently banned. Day of the Bronze Bull when?
- kantbot2000 (PRIORITY) – Recently banned.
- menaquinonone4 – Recently banned.
- MatthewHeimbach (banned)
- NathanDamigo (PRIORITY)
- MillennialWoes (PRIORITY)
- weimerica (PRIORITY)
- hbdchick – Wow, just wow. Is RationalWiki also on the Twitter Trust & Safety Advisory Council?
- henrydampier
- Outsideness – Nick Land. Recently banned, unbanned.
- MPCdot (PRIORITY)
- DerbQOTD – Account that reposts Derbyshire’s content.
- socialmattermag
- Nick_B_Steves
- HbdNrx (PRIORITY)
The million dollar question: Am I on the List?
Where To Go From Here?
As Nick Land points out, Twitter is now an “undisguised leftist ideological operation” and there really is very little point in relying on it any further, at least for those who dabble in crimethink no matter how seemingly minor.
Alternatives:
- Just log off and make blogging great again.
- gab.ai is the popular to go platform, and Nick Land suggests minds.com. Alternatives to Twitter might be attractive now, but what happens if they become popular and draw corporate money? They would then be subject to the exact same forces propelling censorship on more established platforms.
- Everybody in Russia is head over heels with Telegram. It was built by Pavel Durov, who is a serious crypto-anarchist, unlike @jack and Faceberg (Durov chose to give up control of Vkontakte instead of agreeing to cooperate with Russia’s intelligence services). If it’s good enough for ISIS recruiters, it’s probably a safe enough space for you.
- Wait for Urbit?
- Someone should create a social media/communications platform blockchain-based principles. This will probably be the only viable longterm solution as the Bilderbergers and Picus TV continue to extend their tentacles.
The List
gab is feeble now, but if Trump would move there, all journalists would have to follow him, and soon it would replace twitter.
I never watch TV, and neither do most of the people I talk to online. But that’s not typical. Why is Ann Coulter at the top of this list? ‘Cause she’s on TV a lot. I just looked up Bill Maher, and he has 6.5 million Twitter followers. So TV is still the body, and Twitter is the tail, a leg, or something else that’s attached to it.
Great stuff.
There is enough irrespectable formulations in this post to get me permabanned on my Respectable Comment sections if I link to this.
I’ve developed a habit of listening to radio 4 occasionally and the topic of “harrassment, abuse etc” on Twitter comes up at least twice a week. They normally invite some female newlabour mp to come along and whine about how people are sooohhh mean, alongside a sympathetic polysci or media prof. I suspect Twitter are just bring a bit spineless in response to increasing sjw/establishment pressure. On the other hand, the (very real and not very nice) abuse these type of people suffer tends to come from anonymous accounts with hardly any followers and they respond by kicking off serious contributors, so i don’t know.
I have only used Twitter for a few weeks in 2008, since then never again. All I need is maximum 10 good blogs (several of them currently hosted at unz.com), the rest is redundant.
For this reason I change my twitter account every six months and have done for years.
But only leftards care about Shitter in the first place. Look how well it helped them with the election.
Reddit and other platforms too. The left’s pulled huge tech purge after their defeat in the election. We need new platforms, and more importantly, platforms that will resist leftist entryism.
He wouldn’t have to move to Gab. All he needs to do is help Gab take off by duplicating his Tweets.
why would trump want a real no bullshit media platform? how would he survive without those?
LOL snow flake Alt Reichtards get your own platform stop moaning that you are getting your fat asses booted out by the SJWs – what? I guessed it you inept blowhards are zero when it comes to setting up your own platforms in the tech industry run overwhelmingly by liberals. It will be an interesting platform where you Nazis, Holocaust Deniers, Negro haters … Truthers etc etc get together. Cry me a river for you Neo Nazis getting shitcanned. LMAO
Trying now to understand if I’m in any real danger due to the fact that I have no idea what the hell the piece is talking about.
Liberals do have higher average IQs than conservatives and especially ethnonationalists.
So it’s not our fault. Please check your cognitive privilege.
They are, and have been, set up. Libtards will be relegated to the Ghettos they have built and get all the attention they deserve – none.
How’s Hillary’s comeback doing 🙂
The Democrat party is in total complete collapse. The corrupt Left and their insane idiotic ideology and followers are dying more every day. The maggots have been removed from the flesh.
The party of Jim Crow laws, the KKK, slave owners and thieves has disintegrated faster than the collapse of the Soviet Union; a beautiful day to behold.
You can have @jack the pussy and that limp dick pimple pus over at Facebook all you want as long as HRC never set’s foot in the White House again.
I’ll take that trade any day and every day. We won and we hold the high ground, now go play in the traffic.
There is already an alternative to Twitter – Gab.ai. The reason it hasn’t yet achieved the same level of popularity as Twitter is that there are few, if any, celebrities on it. So people who absolutely must know what Katy Perry’s dog thinks of french fries will find it dull.
There’s also a very good alternative to Wikipedia – Infogalactic. It has everything Wikipedia does.
The only thing missing is an alternative to Facebook, although the best outcome there would be that people stop having the need of a vehicle for retarded solipsism.
The problem with gab.ai, apart from not having a mass audience, is that ironically if and when it does acquire that mass audience, the same corporate forces driving censorship on Twitter will spring into play there.
(Recall that Twitter refused to cooperate with US intelligence services at the height of the Cablegate saga several years ago. Now they’d probably sell out Assange in the blink of an eye).
Only two truly solid solutions for that:
* Change the mass culture.
* Create/move to something that’s structurally impervious to censorship (e.g. a blockchain based social network)
Totally false. Most corporations have their roots in creative high IQ hard work and conservatism. The Leftist Democrats then come along and exploit corporate wealth via “social justice” causes. This pattern has been repeating for hundreds of years. Historically the left are professional extortionists. History is littered with examples with the Left sucking money and resources out everything that produces. Another words what they are incapable of producing. Don’t forget cheese dick Obama, “You didn’t build that”.
The US Civil War is the perfect example. The high IQ industrial North (Republicans) defeated the lower IQ agricultural slave owning South (Democrats). Don’t be fooled the Left has been running the same corrupt scam for hundreds of years, now more so than ever.
“Change the mass culture”
You’re onto something there and that’s why I brought up solipsism with regard to Facebook.
The problem is that a great many people have come to believe that the world must know what they are thinking, doing, wearing, eating and fucking at any given time.
Nice article Anatoly.
Having pleasant drinks with a new friend on the weekend (a boxing knockout king, still the record holder for first round knockouts here, and impressive), I had to say ‘No, I hate facebook, I hate twitter, should set up a Mixi account (Japan only) when having the time’, but really, I am much preferring telephone calls and mail, the whole drama of uploading screenshots to Twitspace, photos and text to Facebook, you become doubly the product：providing the content and being the target of marketing.
Are you sure that the north had higher IQs? I am sure that you have no evidence for that assertion.
New handle, Tiny Duck?
Well, I’m okay with the notion that liberals generally have slightly higher IQ and conservatives have slightly higher conscientiousness – the latter being a much better indicator of success. We have plenty of high IQ posters here who can testify that intellect is often correlated with belief in insane things, and can be used against yourself to further delude oneself.
In all frankness, its hard to see how the liberals are so incredibly intelligent when they have come to reject basic genetics and logic for fantasies of equality and infinite resources.
Nations that advance technologically have higher IQ’s compared to those that do not, that’s a predominant reason why they advance. Compare some current day industrialized nations to agricultural nations. If you have doubts go back to the cave man era and start there and add in a touch of common sense as you move along the timeline.
@Kek: and liberalism created Detroit.
While that of course passes the smell test, why isn’t Israel the most significant innovator on the planet then, given the advantage in IQ that the Jews possess?
I think that it is bs, and where Israel has IP, it is often stolen from the USA. where nnt, from France.
Mr. Karlin,
My privilege isn’t high, I am a normal guy but can’t get over the Trump worship on this site by intelligent people, like Mr Buchanan, Mr Reed, Mr Derbyshire, Mr Craig etc, that’s all. Highly intelligent people worshipping this WWE trash talking idiot, why? I do like your articles, Sakers also and love Mr Unz’S free space for free speech.
I love this site for free speech but can’t accept ‘Truthers and Holocaust Deniers”.
Russia is not a power to be fucked with and that message is lost with Mr Trump,
Thanks for replying.
Usenet and IRC and email barely need tweaking to do all the things people want from “social media.” These technologies still work fine and are highly resilient. P2P tech can augment to bring down costs even further. People want to pretend two false things about these valuable social media brands: This is a hard technical problem; There needs to even be big valuable brand names involved, rather than profit-less and leaderless decentralized systems. ISPs should host these decentralized systems, costs covered by your monthly bill, not ads.
Just dust off Usenet and write some front end apps that shoe-horn in the desired missing features.
That’s an interesting reference to Infogalactic as an alternative to Wikipedia.
I’ve tried it, and it’s true that it’s not so friendly to SJW editing.
In Wikipedia “Cultural Marxism” gives a general article about the Frankfurt School but Infogalactic defines it directly a as Counter Cultural insurgency:
Indeed. This is the first website I have ever visited in which there are people who assume Alfred Dreyfus was guilty, apparently because he was, you know, Jewish, and Holocaust denial is treated as a normal intellectual proposition. Then again I don’t go near obviously Nazi sites.
Because he’s a force against much worse things. You choose your allies as needed, and the day that I saw “they” used as a single pronoun which I had to agree with, it was enough to decide to throw in my lot with ANYONE who was against it.
The IQ stuff is bs and racist, or bordering on it. Israelis know they do not excel in the intellect department, though I remember one claiming on the Internet, presumably an Ashkenazi, that this was because the Mizrahi Jews and Palestinians were dragging them down (an indication by the way that “the Jews” are by no means homogeneous).
All this is based on the notion that by controlling the mechanisms of dialog, you control what is thought.
If this were true, we’d still be speaking Latin.
Dominant Ideas, Narratives and Beliefs come and go, and are replaced periodically by the next new idea. As far as I’m concerned, it is clear to me that Leftism’s dominance has peaked as is rolling over to the Next Big Thing (whatever that is.) Depending on your viewpoint, Leftism had a heck of a good run, at least 150 years and I’m fond of the Dark Enlightenment’s view that it goes back at least half a millennium.
The current people whose incomes, wealth and status depend on the Old Narrative are, of course, fighting tooth and nail to prevent any change….but life is dynamic and will not be denied. Leftism went so far that it became a parody of itself (the “trans” thing, women as men and attempts to normalize pedophilia were pretty ridiculous.)
Leo Tolstoy put it best: “Armies cannot resist an idea whose time has come.” The snowflakes and Safe Space leftist-cult zealots in Corporate America can no more hold back the tide than did King Canute. But everyone has his or her role to play in this vast pageant, and none of us recognizes the strings that pull us to do what we do.
Says the functionary for Glover Park.
Or is it BerlinRosen?
Feldman Strategies?
Mark S. Mellman?
Marathon, I bet!
http://www.marathonstrategies.com/about/
Nah. Zimmerman/Edelson.
http://www.zimmed.com/
Scroll/anchor-click down to “Services” if any of you are unfamiliar with how these PR biobots function. Often for free.
http://zimmedu.com/
Meh. Israel is surely made up mostly by Ashkenazim, so I think your criticism is questionable.
IQ is but one metric that matters, of course, otherwise China would have higher GDP than it does. Clannish peoples are in all likelihood unable to produce the commonwealth civilization we identify with the great production of the modern era, and outside of the Anglosphere and Western Europe, people are pretty much all clannish.
Science requires the ability to overturn your ancestors’ work. It also requires a tremendous amount of outgroup trust.
Pity these attributes are not spread evenly across Planet Earth.
Just because not all attributes are equally distributed among all population groupings, vaguely known as races, doesn’t mean that its entirely pointless to research. It honestly answers a lot of questions.
I grossly dislike the objection of “its racist” to shut down discussion.
I prefer to use the pronoun “it” in these situations.
It is your fault. What does nationalism have to offer to intelligent people, in terms of intellectual content?
Succesful ideologies have to be “catholic”, in the original sense, to have something for everyone.
Christianity have works of Church Fathers and Scholastics and thousands years of biblical interpretation that would fill many lifetimes to study for the smartest people, and miraculous icons, crying statues, faith healing and speaking in tongues for the common crowd. The same in Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism.
Are you genuinely unaware that “Holocaust denial” and “Nazi” are discursive terms that were invented as tools in specific propaganda battles, at specific junctures in US and world history, and are not neutral in any way?
That you are passing them along here, in reply to the PR agent/intern, suggests you both work for the same PR firm and are turfing dialogue with the goals of a) discrediting Mr. Karlin and other writers at Unz.com and b) one again dogwhistling Trump = Hitler.
For starters, Stoic wit and a sense of humor.
Which Mr. Karlin manifested here and you appear to have missed in your eagerness to prove your superiority.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/02/eric-hunt-is-no-longer-holocaust-denier.html
There is major crisis going on in Holocaust revisonism movement, and one of major activists just publicly recanted and left the movement. One of his reasons is spread of Flat Earth conspiracy among the far right. Yes, literal Flat Earth belief.
What seems to have disturbed Hunt most is the welcome extended by the ‘Revisionist’ movement and its leadership, especially Germar Rudolf, to serial conspiracy theorists like James Fetzer and Nicholas Kollerstrom, both of whom added Holocaust denial to their repertoire of beliefs in the late 2000s or early 2010s. The final straw appears to have been the resurgence of flat-earthism and its crossover with ‘Revisionism’. The prime mover in the current flat earth revival, Eric Dubay, is also a Holocaust denier, while a number of prominent social media white nationalists have decided to embrace flat-earthism:
Based on US Census Bureau statistics Detroit in the 1960’s was the #1 richest city per capita in the USA. The communist left has spent the last 50 years draining all productive capacity and resources out of this once great city.
Detroit now ranks #1 for the 4th year in a row as most dangerous city to live, economically the city has been leeched into desolation.
From 1919 to 1962 when the city became the #1 economic powerhouse there were 14 Republican mayors and 3 Democrat mayors.
From 1962 to present – when the city was extorted and destroyed economically and socially there were 0 Republican mayors and 8 Democrat mayors.
The legacy of the Democratic party is present day Detroit.
this is from wikipedia>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
and China had/has communism.
“Nazi” was invented by National Socialists themselves as abbreviation, and “Holocaust denier” is term to call people who, well , deny that Holocaust happened.
BTW, what you think about shape of the Earth? Round, flat or square? Is there a controversy that shall be taught? Belief in Flat Earth is spreading in the “alt right” and “revisionist” community, and one of the most famous revisionists resigned in disgust.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/02/eric-hunt-is-no-longer-holocaust-denier.html
Recently, some involved with the production of Revisionist material have promoted the concept of a literal “flat earth.” Yes, really. That the earth is not round, but is actually flat. Deborah Lipstadt must love that. In particular, Sinead McCarthy, chosen as a narrator by Germar Rudolf for a video for his Holocaust Handbooks series believes the earth is flat. McCarthy was involved with the creation of a series of videos, articles, and internet radio shows promoting the concept of a literal flat earth. Since then, McCarthy has appeared in videos and filmed supposed “earth curvature experiments” affirming her belief that the earth is literally flat.
What seems to have disturbed Hunt most is the welcome extended by the ‘Revisionist’ movement and its leadership, especially Germar Rudolf, to serial conspiracy theorists like James Fetzer and Nicholas Kollerstrom, both of whom added Holocaust denial to their repertoire of beliefs in the late 2000s or early 2010s. The final straw appears to have been the resurgence of flat-earthism and its crossover with ‘Revisionism’. The prime mover in the current flat earth revival, Eric Dubay, is also a Holocaust denier, while a number of prominent social media white nationalists have decided to embrace flat-earthism.
So did the Puritans at Plymouth Rock. So what?
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm
THE SMART FRACTION THEORY OF IQ AND THE WEALTH OF NATIONS
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm
SMART FRACTION THEORY II:
WHY ASIANS LAG
Turns out that Asians who didn’t indulge in Marxism have the same lag, so no, China’s version of communism doesn’t explain things. Culture, however, does.
This is the truth folks, believe me. I’ve met a lot tremendous people, ethnonationalist types, great people; but they don’t have what it takes to fight the lying media. So they just stay quiet, silence. They just stay quiet. So very sad!
LOL snow flake Alt Reichtards get your own platform stop moaning that you are getting your fat asses booted out by the SJWs – [ rest of inane comment deleted. ]
Firstly, you cannot use the term snowflake when referring to people on the Right as it was invented by people on the Right for Libtards such as yourself (snooze you lose, your using it makes you look lame, bro.). Secondly, your comment (inane as it is) serves a very useful purpose; it exposes you as the intolerant anti free speech Marxist authoritarian you and your Comrades are. Thank you for validating all that the Right has to say about you.
Have a nice day…
OK translator, suppose YOU point us the way to court tested, cross examined, forensic or other scientific evidence that support the allegations of the holocaustians.
I’ve spent 25 years on and off reading about this and when one drills down through the so-called evidence it is nothing but hand waving or of the type “my brother in law overheard two guys in a bar discussing the story told by their cleaning lady’s boyfriend’s step dad”.
You should know that a stack of 6 million bodies would be a pile 10 bodies wide and high, and 100 Km (60 miles) long.
Ball’s in your court. HdC
Holocaust deniers are cretins, please go bore someone else.
All my friends on that list. Feels bad man.
I know I showed up on one of those kill lists (the “500 Nazi Scalps” one I think) under my old @Vendetta92429 or @VendettaVidame – big one with 11.5K followers.
I lost that account after flaming a few of the “ethical pedophile” accounts (apparently a tight knit bunch that will mass flag anyone who messes with them) back in November. So those kill lists have been around for a long, long time.
This one is months old too – you can tell by MicroChip, who’s listed on there as @WDFxEU29. The 29 on the end means it’s his 29th account. He’s currently on account #80.
One last option you left off the list – stay and wage guerrilla war. I understand you mainly used Twitter to share blog posts and to keep track of a few of your fellow bloggers, Anatoly. And for those purposes you are indeed better off going elsewhere.
For those of us who are engaged in full time shitposting and war against the media however, maintaining a presence on Twitter is essential. Twitter is where our enemies are, and where the masses are. Gab is a sanctuary to retreat to in between shoahs but nothing that’s done on there has any impact on the world outside of Gab.
Twitter can’t keep us out if we’re persistent about coming back. Use a VPN with a freshly cleared browser in private mode, a fresh email, and a virtual phone number off an app to register with. This will beat the latest set of updates they made to keep banned users from returning. Most important: delete the phone app. The app provides data to track your device if you try to return on it. And use DM groups or Gab to reconnect with people and get your following back up.
Our work there does matter. We have a number of big name normie Trump accounts we’ve converted to the alt-right – can’t name names as we need to keep their power levels hidden until the next elections. But they will be powerful – imagine someone fully red pilled with a reach like Bill Mitchell among normie Trump twitter.
Tl;dr, the war isn’t over just because the other side finally started fighting back.
And you, sir, are an intellectual Schweinehund that propagates the worst of the enemy’s Greuelpropaganda.
You have the temerity to call me a cretin when I merely asked for bona fide court tested evidence.
If you are so convinced of your position, why not simply provide the forensic evidence that supports your position??? Is that asking too much?
I’ll answer that for you: “Of course that is asking too much because no such evidence exists and we gotta keep that ol’ holohoax cash flow goin’ at all and any cost, right???” HdC
I value the freedom of speech here. I would prefer to filter the good from the bad myself, rather than expecting the site’s operators to assume that duty on my behalf.
It is not difficult to find out about Dreyfus or the Holocaust. There is not a shortage of material on either subject. Nearly everyone can understand that, when a comment writer on a website declares that the world is flat or the moon is made of cheese, it doesn’t make it true.
Or a mound 10 bodies high and 1 square kilometre in area. Compare that to the area in which the murdered Jews lived, which was some millions of square kilometres.
But as long as journalists can get the same thing on twitter, they won’t move.
“Nazi” is an abbreviation. In German, Sozi is an equivalent colloquial German term meaning “socialist” and at least in 1920s and 1930s German colloquial, Kozi was a term for “Communist”. The “PR firm” that produced these terms was native speakers of the German language. All these terms are informal and can be a little disrespectful, but it is hardly as though Nazis were uniquely targeted. As to “Holocaust denial”, that seems to be a good term for it.
Individually I am more personally acquainted with Turkey, where events vis-a-vis the once large Armenian minority and what happened to it during World War 1 remain a topic of “discussion”. Armenians and many others call it genocide, the Turkish government and Turkish nationalists deny it, although when prodded they tend to present every single Armenian as a “traitor” and by extension worthy of death. Some years back I chatted with a young man from Turkey, living in Europe. He said “the day we killed all the Armenians in our village” was remembered in his family, and he said it was likely that his great-grandfather was one of those doing the killing. Multiply that, extrapolate by hundreds, perhaps even thousands, across hundreds of Anatolian villages, and you’ve got a huge massacre, even genocide. Yet the Turkish government spends a lot of money on court cases and PR denying it. I would expect them to, just like I would expect a latter-day Nazi apologist to engage in Holocaust denial because, to cite Mandy Rice-Davies re the Profumo scandal, “he would, wouldn’t he”? Nobody was really punished for it – one leading Ottoman official implicated was killed by an Armenian while in exile in Germany in the 1920s, and today’s Turkish government calls this “Armenian terrorism”.
As to Trump, actually I despise Clinton, although the only difference between him and her that I see in his early presidency at least is that he is obviously a little more of a loose cannon.
You are reframing my points to make your point, which is to say to lie about what I said or didn’t, and then use that as a fulcrum to relaunch your talking points.
You are not worth engaging.
How many PR agents and Berkeley professors can dance on the tip of Anatoly’s comment section?
I was making an observation. There is obviously some sort of “moderation” here because when I post something a message often pops up saying what I write is subject to moderation. It seems quite libertarian, though, as my writings get published but then so do opinions and even articles that look like they belong in The Eugenicist Review or even Stormfront.
Most of the leading Nazis who were convicted and in many cases hanged at Nuremberg were in large degree convicted on the basis of documents captured after the German collapse. No doubt the document furnaces had been busy near war’s end but perhaps not busy enough. As I mentioned elsewhere, Kaltenbrunner’s signature was on lots of execution orders and other incriminating documents, (he headed the Sicherheitsdienst whose modus operandi was torture and executions) and Kaltenbrunner’s only recourse was to deny constantly that the signature on the documents in question was his. Yet this was all as court tested, forensic and cross examined as it gets. Telford Taylor, one of the prosecutors at Nuremberg, quoted the line from Job in the Old Testament: “Would that mine enemy would write a book”, adding “the Nazis had written entire libraries”. If that doesn’t convince you, I really can’t help you.
So very sad!
Are you a speechwriter for the Hail Mary Presidency?
Most of the leading Nazis who were convicted
Not exactly, they ran out of defendant chairs in the courtroom.
RE: Armenian genocide
I think that it was a Jew who first described the massacre as a genocide.
Excellent comments by you, keep’em coming.
Except nonsense like this: The IQ stuff is bs and racist
Destroying 6 million, or 11 million bodies leaves MOUNTAINS of residue as evidence. There should be bone fragments and teeth everywhere. The mere cremation of bodies leaves such residue. Just ask a crematorium operator. The dust handed to the family is produced by running the remains through a crusher.
That was the point of my observation.
In areas in or near the camps eye witnesses pointed out locations of mass graves where hundreds of thousands of bodies were claimed to be buried. Digging in those so delineated areas produced no evidence of mass graves. HdC
So glad you mentioned the Nuernberg trials, which were described by USA supreme court justices, after these had witnessed these proceedings, as “High-Grade Lynching Parties” and “Kangaroo Courts” that would “forever sully the American sense of justice”.
Fact is no original documents, pertaining to this issue, exist, that can be studied and authenticated; everything available is a translation and or a copy of a copy… No impartial court would accept such rubbish as evidence of anything.
Inquiries at the Bad Arolsen Archives in Germany regarding any records of gassings brought the answer that no such records exist. Remember, the Germans kept meticulous records…
This lack of records was acknowledged by the prosecution witness during the Zuendel trials in Toronto, Canada, during the 1980’s. While Zuendel was convicted by the jury of spreading false news regarding the 6 million, the Supreme Court of Canada overturned that conviction.
I certainly do not expect, nor need, your help. What I do expect is, if I am being tried for murder, that any information used to accuse me would be thoroughly examined for authenticity of substance and content. Further, I would want the forensic evidence to be thoroughly cross examined and tested by a non-government scientist and pathologist. As would you I suspect.
Yet along come claims and accusations of 6 million murdered and anyone who dares to ask questions or offers alternative explanations is, at a minimum, subjected to ad hominem attacks or, at the other extreme, imprisoned for a longer period than child molesters or murderers.
On that basis alone one may reasonably conclude that the entire Holocaust narrative and claims thereof are a fraud. HdC
Correct.
All further Holocaust “debates” will be deleted. Please go do that elsewhere.
No forensic evidence, just more ad hominem attacks. Understood. HdC
Free speech ends here?
Jawohl mein fuhrer…
Indeed. Mr. Karlin is the boss of this place and he can ban anyone he wishes, just like Twitter boss Mr. Dorsey can ban from Twitter anyone he wishes (including himself)
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/22/13721766/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-suspended
No free speech on private property.
This is a tempting comparison but it’s complete nonsense.
Twitter is one of the two big social networks of the modern world and a presence on it, especially for people in fields such as journalism and politics, is fast becoming close to a professional necessity. This makes Twitter something akin to a public utility.
In contrast, nobody has any significant public interest or utility in commenting on my blog or even on The Unz Review. Me banning anyone from my blog (which I hardly ever do anyway, and only for things like persisten abuse, legal threats, spamming, etc) is akin to somebody on Twitter blocking another person.
And I mean look, does anyone here (apart from the instigators) actually enjoy these retarded Holocaust “debates”? I would be one thing if the comments software had a function to downvote comments, like on Disqus, but Unz doesn’t think it would be a good idea, so there’s no choice but to occasionally steer the discussions manually to prevent quality from dropping off a cliff. Not that I’m very good at doing that either.
You have restored my confidence AK.
I was going to wait for your next open thread to ask a question, but you don’t have them often enough, and events are in the saddle.
Trump is being boxed in as to the choices he can make regarding changes, if any, in US policy toward Russia. Who is doing this and why?
The most censorious, intolerant bigots are on the Left and LGBTQ – and a certain ethno-religious groups.
I find the liberal super-rich Capitalists, especially of the Jewish variety such as Zuckerberg, to be utter hypocrites.
And yet the Left, which ordinarily would savage such people, love them.
The thing is that that, properly understood, Karlin is not really expressing his own authority, but rather, his subservience to some other authority.
There’s some chance I’m wrong about this, but I doubt very much that you could name any of the principal Holocaust revisionist authors — much less summarize the arguments they make.
If that is the case, you are engaging in intellectual fraud.
AK: David Irving.
So you are wrong, as usual. Anyhow I’ve had enough of your insults and incessant trolling, which long predate this.
Banned.
Why you think that United States Twitmaster General would be more tolerant of “alt-right” than Twitter CEO? Under Trump administration, maybe. Under the next one, forget it.
Unz is tiny and obscure, just like Twitter was few years ago. When it grows enough so it becomes “public necessity”, would you also join the call to nationalize it?
Twitter CEO would say the same about “alt-right” debate on Twitter.
Yeah. What Karlin doesn’t understand is that the same basic forces that want to block “alt-right debate” on Twitter, at least broadly speaking, are the same ones that want to block an intellectually honest discussion of WW2, including the Holocaust, of course.
So he says: look, they’re trying to shut down the “alt-right debate” on Twitter. And then turns around and, on the very same page, says he’s going to ban any revisionist discussions on his own blog. And then he’s making these silly arguments to say that there is nothing contradictory about his stance… LOL.
How does one take anybody like this seriously?
Hmm, I don’t think very many people familiar with Holocaust Revisionism would cite David Irving as a major figure in that field. David Irving has written many books about the WW2 period, and in a way that is much more sympathetic to the Germany side than most mainstream literature, but has never written a book about the Holocaust specifically.
The most important early figure in Holocaust revisionism is the Frenchman Paul Rassinier, who himself, survived the camps. Also from France, you have Robert Faurisson. Then there are names like Arthur Butz and, more recently, the German chemist Germar Rudolf. Revusky’s assertion that you don’t know who these people are and what arguments they are making is almost certainly correct.
I am guessing that David Irving is the name you knew because the Zionist Jews (who do NOT control Hollywood :-)) recently put out a movie entitled “Denial” in which David Irving is a central figure and this movie probably does give the mistaken impression that David Irving is a central figure in Holocaust Revisionism. (I have not seen the movie and have no intention of going.)
Karlin, you really ought to cut the shit. Everybody with a brain in their heads knows that you’re not banning Jonathan Revusky from commenting on your blog for being “unintelligent” and “unfunny”. Surely everybody knows that it’s because you don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell in a debate with Revusky. He would destroy you. Actually, not only would he destroy you, he would do so in an intelligent and funny way!