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  • PressTV: China updates deal to invest $400 billion in Iran (based on this)
    • Note that this happens just a few months after China appeased US neocons by forbidding Kunlun Bank from handling Iran payments, severely crimping Iran’s oil exports & foreign currency earnings.
    • And according to this: ““This will include up to 5,000 Chinese security personnel on the ground in Iran to protect Chinese projects, and there will be additional personnel and material available to protect the eventual transit of oil, gas and petchems supply from Iran to China, where necessary, including through the Persian Gulf,” says the Iranian source.
    • This is significant, because Iran has always been touchy about foreign troops on its soil – Constitution downright bars foreign bases (part of why Russia’s bomber presence in Iran, used to support operations in Syria, was so short-lived).
    • Assuming this is accurate reporting. Mohsen: “they quoted an unnamed Iranian official. Imo they’re leaking the options Iran has should the US insist on not lifting sanctions and Euros make no meaningful effort on their own. Discounts and loss of sovereignty are severe so it looks like a last resort and not finalized.
  • First Yang vs. Trump direct poll (in New Hampshire) – Yang does almost as well as Biden & ahead of the other Dems
  • Military Watch: Ballistic Missile Submarines in the Chinese Navy; Developing a Second Stage Nuclear Deterrent – Part Two
    • The PLA has already begun development of the Type 96 Tang Class ballistic missile submarine, which is set to have capabilities comparable to the latest American and Russian warships. The warship will reportedly carry 24 JL-3 ballistic missiles, placing it among the most heavily armed submarines in the world.
  • *pdf* Hussain Ibrahim Qutrib: “Useful Syria” and Demographic Changes in Syria
    • Apparently, Sunnis are barely a majority now in the parts of Syria controlled by Assad. Will be good for future stability.
  • In a first for Beijing in Europe, Serbia to receive Chinese armed drones
  • Asia Times: Huawei calls the US intel community’s bluff
  • BCG: China’s Next Leap in Manufacturing

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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. The Houthi (?) attack on the Saudi oil infrastructure is something which still needs time to assess its impact.

  3. German_reader says

    It looks like mass migration to Europe will escalate again. Erdogan is threatening to send a new refugee flood to Europe, and with Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again for the African ferry service. France and Germany have accepted taking in 25% of the “refugees” each. Germany’s minister of the interior Seehofer is a lying piece of shit as usual and claims this won’t really increase number of asylum seekers (lol).
    And since some commenters here always get agitated about my hostile stance towards contemporary Christians, I’ll link to this story about what Germany’s main body of Protestants is up to (not that the Catholics are any better):
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-protestant-church-to-send-rescue-ship-to-mediterranean/a-50407182

  4. From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad. The situation should deteriorate very quickly if we want a reaction from the electorate. Also I’m not comfortable with the situation where Erdogan and Salvini were saving the German and French cuck governments from their own stupidity (while being thrashed as “anti-democratic”), this was never a stable situation.

  5. Excellent US-Russia Relations Discussion

    Re: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/13/watch-cn-live-special-on-russia-us-relations-with-george-beebe-ray-mcgovern-scott-ritter-tony-kevin-mark-sleboda-and-patrick-lawrence-episode-9/

    George Beebe starts off the discussion with a tone that’s noticeably different from his recent National Interest article, discussed in the linked SCF piece at the end of this note.

    At the 2 hour 45 minute 30 second point of the above linked video, Mark Sleboda provides a great follow-up, including a reference to comments made by Michael Hayden.

    For those with a keen interest on the subject, the entire video is well worth listening to.

    Related:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/21/getting-real-with-the-us-foreign-policy-establishment-realists/

  6. German_reader says

    From an accelerationist point of view, this is not entirely bad.

    I agree to some extent, it’s just that I fear the majority in Germany will never wake up…the fanatics who are totally in favour of this project (at least 20-30% of the electorate) are beyond redemption anyway. But yes, the sooner it escalates, the better. The time for reasonable compromise is past anyway.

  7. I’ve been thinking about language and IQ. We talk about national IQ, but maybe language IQ is an overlooked concept.

    Take English. Got to figure a lot of people in the Third World speak it. Then a lot have it as a second or third language, so that makes it even dumber. It is commonly said that Hollywood scripts movies for an international audience, since many countries do not dub. Does this have any political ramifications to Anglo countries, even beyond immigration?

  8. Next NSA Adviser

    Re: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/will-john-bolton-go-war-against-donald-trump-79666

    Excerpt –

    But gaining steam is Ret. Col. Douglas Macgregor, a foreign policy realist and exuberant Trumpist. Macgregor is an ally of Carlson and a frequent guest on his program, the preeminent show on Fox. Last night, Macgregor appeared on Carlson’s show and essentially auditioned for the job, delivering a fiery critique of the Bolton view of the world. Macgregor called for the unilateral withdrawal of American forces from Afghanistan and Syria, arguing that the local powers can reach agreements that an American presence merely impedes. In addition, he called for Trump to sign on to an ‘end of war declaration’ with North Korea. A Macgregor-led NSC would adhere to Trump’s original America First vision in every way possible, including an outreach to Russia. Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney is a foreign policy realist and libertarian warm to Macgregor. A Mulvaney aide who warred with Ambassador Bolton, Rob Blair, is also in play.

    Macgregor makes perfect sense on the premise of what Trump campaigned for. Notwithstanding, the following from 2017 is the kind of second guessing of Macgregor which tends to get muted in US mass media at large:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/08/06/trump-versus-us-establishment-groupthink-on-russia/

    Excerpt –

    The Tucker Carlson hosted Fox News show continues to provide some reasonably dissenting views. One such recent segment featured retired US Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor, who believes that Capitol Hill has been overly bellicose towards Russia. Mind you that Macgregor is no Russophile. He expressed doubt on whether the US and Russia can ever become allies and characterized the latter as a periodic 300 year menace to the West.

    On this point, I expressed my disagreement to Macgregor (who I’ve had some prior limited discourse with) by noting that:

    – The West hasn’t been so monolithic, in conjunction with Russia not being such a perennial threat.

    – The US fought Germany in two world wars – not Russia.

    – Russian behavior during America’s Revolution, War of 1812 and Civil War was more favorable to America than the British stance.

    – Russia joined Britain, Prussia and Austria in opposing Napoleon.

    – Russia had openly inquired about NATO membership upon the Soviet collapse.

    – Russia was the first nation to console the US on 9/11, followed by Russian cooperation with the US in Afghanistan.

    I haven’t gotten a reply back from him. In the aforementioned Fox News segment, Macgregor noted how some special interest groups get disproportionate influence in the US. Concerning that matter, I brought to his attention the Democratic National Committee-Kiev regime collusion and a July 31 pro-Polish/anti-Russian National Interest article, which is cherry picked history – contradicting the realist image of the venue where it appeared.

    I’m of the belief that patriotically minded Russians should be able to acknowledge bad moments on Russia’s part relative to Poland and some others. Conversely, the same should hold true when it comes to the wrongs of others. While glorying Poland and bashing Russia, The National Interest article in question omits the following:

    1919 – Under Josef Pilsudski, Poland seeks to take former Russian Empire territory, largely inhabited by non-Poles with ties to Russia. The Pilsudski led Poles reject a Russian White offer to combat the Reds, when the Bolsheviks were in a losing situation. The Russian Whites were willing to recognize a Polish state within Polish ethnic boundaries.

    1920 -Thousands of Soviet POWs die under miserable conditions while in Polish captivity.

    1934 – Polish-Nazi non-aggression pact, four years prior to the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact.

    1938 – Polish, Nazi and Hungarian taking of CzechoSlovak territory, with the Soviet call for a joint Soviet-West (particularly French) counter support for CzechoSlovakia rebuffed.

    According to German General Heinz Guderian and some other sources, the Soviets needed a break on their WW II westward offensive. After the Stalingrad battle, the Nazis were still a threat, as evidenced by the many casualties they were still able to inflict on the Red Army. The Polish Home Army didn’t initially seek to coordinate their uprising with the Red Army. That only came after the Nazi counterattack in Warsaw.

    Under Stalin, the USSR had some especially brutal aspects. Nevertheless, equating the USSR with Nazi Germany is false. The former utilized a good number of Jews and Poles – something the latter wouldn’t tolerate. Between the two world wars, Poland left something to be desired on the subject of respecting non-Polish minorities.

    One can also go back to the early 1600s Polish subjugation of Russia, as well as the close to 100,000 Poles who joined Napoleon in his attack on Russia.”

  9. Regarding Mark Galeotti:

    http://johnhelmer.net/mark-galeotti-is-a-fact-faker-his-book-on-russian-crime-is-a-hate-crime-a-war-crime/

    He gets way too much play as evidenced in part by his RT appearances, only to then see him come back with an inaccurate JRL promoted Moscow Times hack piece about that station.

  10. If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)

    I have seen arguments in Hungary (by our local liberals) how the EU solved the migration crisis. They shouldn’t take credit for things they didn’t do (and in fact actively resisted). It’s a good example how the removal of just one “populist” immediately made the situation worse. So it’s really only the “populists” who actually do anything to resolve the issue.

  11. Thorfinnsson’s estimate of Allies’ contributions to victory in WWII:

    USA: 40%
    USSR: 35%
    Britain & Dominions: 25%

    I wonder how he’d reckon the relative contribution of Sweden vs. Russia to Protestant victory in the Thirty Years War. According to his criteria, it should be about equal.

  12. I don’t know much about religion and German politics, but it must be really fucked up.

    I mean, in the US, religious charities often receive tax money. Can’t say definitely, but I believe it is a somewhat newish kind of thing, like Bush 43 era, or a little earlier. Obviously, this causes some level of corruption, and encourages churches to toe the official line. They don’t always do it, like the Catholic church still doesn’t endorse adoption by fags, but they do seem to all endorse immavasion, and receive funds for settling “refugees.”The funny thing is, I’ve heard Jews talk about it. They endorse the invasion, of course, but are suspicious of the Church being involved, even when it comes to Muslims.

    But in Germany, of course, money goes through the state to the churches. They don’t even have collections. I don’t know how it is elsewhere in Europe, where there were a lot of state churches. I think separation of church and state is a much abused concept in the US, but on this level, taxes to churches seems obviously wrong and a way to spread corruption.

  13. Kent Nationalist says
  14. Lol at that Simon Mol story. The guy was a walking biological weapon who knew how to lure and prey on naive liberal female SJWs. These type of women are pretty easy to figure out and con just because of how naive they are.

    His own words:

    Simon picked up many of his women from the “Warsaw Salon” – an artistic, liberal circle. In his writing Simon described these girls as ‘white mice’ – “sensitive, and adoring women who believed they were doing their duty towards political correctness by helping the poor refugee.”

    That part was from the moldbugman thread.

    From his Wikipedia page:

    In 2004, on behalf of the President of Poland, he was nominated for the Sergio Vieira de Mello Prize, alongside the ex-PM Tadeusz Mazowiecki and other Polish luminaries, for “rebuilding peace in post-conflict communities”, under the patronage of the High Commissioner of the United Nations for Refugees, among other institutions.[39]

    Mol was an honorary member of the British International Pen Club Centre.[40]

    In 2006 Mol received the prestigious Oxfam Novib/PEN Award for Freedom of Expression.[41][42]

  15. Can Trump even win a second term? I’m predicting no: demographic changes.

    I don’t think there will be another Republican president, unless the franchise is restricted again, or part of the US secedes, and, despite the Reconquista rhetoric, I don’t think Mexicans really want to rejoin Mexico.

    New Hampshire probably isn’t a good indicator for the Dems. As a party, they’ve been hostile to NH having the first in the nation primary for a long time now.

  16. Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It’s not a new idea:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Thermonuclear_War

  17. Thulean Friend says

    If the people never wake up, then it at least won’t be any worse. (Only faster, but the final outcome will be the same.)

    That is a very fatalist mentality, and one which should be rejected. There is no magic threshold, no magic percentage, when people suddenly jolt out of their preconditioned beliefs and reach the nationalist nirvana.

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet. Most SA whites (“saffers”) still subscribe to race-blind neoliberalism, even if they deeply resent figures like Malema and his cheaper imitators in the ruling ANC. You’d think being only 8% of the population with a virulently hostile 80% black majority all around you with all the violence that entails would accelerate radicalism. No dice.

    Flooding your own country with third worlders won’t do much to rectify things. The roots of the malaise is that most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment. We have to accept the fact that they are not all evil or misguided, which makes the situation compellingly difficult. Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far. This call for erudition and learned argument, not crude and vulgar gestures where you try to shock people temporarily but which do not get onto solving a deeper rooted cause. Intellectual debate is what is required, not more third worlders. That will only reduce our standard of living without cutting the mechanism which justifies their existance among us.

  18. Abelard Lindsey says

    Perhaps it is the start of Peter Zeihan’s Oil War.

  19. German_reader says

    Look no further than South Africa for proof of this tenet.

    South Africa is of only limited relevance to the European situation imo. Yes, I know, the blacks mostly aren’t really “native” there either, and the Boers have been there for centuries, but still, it’s a different situation from Europe where fairly homogenous nation states were the norm only a few decades ago.

    most whites still hold onto deep liberal beliefs and many of these were formed during the enlightenment.

    You’re sounding almost like AaronB…is there anything the Enlightenment won’t be blamed for?

  20. Mike Johnson: What’s out there?

    Is this a joke?

  21. Thulean Friend says

    It looks like the first Russian fast food chain to trial Beyond Meat will be the traditionalist Teremok chain

    Just another feather in Teremok’s cap. Took this a few weeks ago.

    https://i.imgur.com/9ITKph6.jpg

  22. German_reader says

    Looks disgusting, why are you eating something like that?

  23. I am old and recall when the supposed winnability of nuclear war was being asserted. The contention was made that “In 5 years after the nuclear exchange, everything would be back to normal.” I remember this refuting, witty reply: “It takes 5 years for an expansion sports franchise to become competitive.”

  24. God that population map is depressing, even if I already knew it.

  25. Thulean Friend says

    There’s a lot to unpack here, and we seem to have different underlying assumptions. I can’t guess what yours are but here are mine.

    1. It doesn’t matter much how homogenous the country is. What matters is the inherent ethnocentrism of the particular community living there. Case in point: jews. Despite all the talk about assimilation and a “silent holocaust”, they are still a very coherent ethnic group with strong-ingroup preferences. Even in the case when one of them marries out, there is a concerted effort to convert the partner. And so on That did not happen by happenstance or by accident. It is a direct outcome of their culture and social priorities over a long period of time.
    2. South Africa as a country is not analogous to Europe, but White South African people are, i.e. the Afrikaaners. That is the core of my argument. They are ethnically no different from you and me. Most of them are from North Germanic stock. As such, their experiences matter greatly and we can learn a lot. It’s about the particular community, not the country as a whole.

    3. I have no interest in defending other people’s positions, but I can defend mine. On the enlightenment, it seems you skipped several important sentences.

    Many of these principles helped us a great deal to reduce massive and recurring violent spasms which were roiling Europe for centuries, whether on religious or ethnic grounds. We took a successful model and pushed it too far.

    In my mind, this isn’t exactly “let’s blame it all on enlightenment”-material. It’s a much more nuanced position, granting legitimacy to previous accomplishments and warning against throwing the baby out of the bathwater. If anything, it is a call for moderation, not a radical break. I do not understand how you could construe it to something else.

  26. Herman Kahn wrote a book about how nuclear war was winnable in 1960. It’s not a new idea:

    It’s context. We are moving into retro-cold-war, what with the US trashing the ICBM treaty. When spouted by political figures, it’s not merely academic. It says something about the state of mind of these people.

  27. Thulean Friend says

    You remind me of a boomer 😉

  28. Interesting that that Simon Mol character died. In Western Europe or the US, he probably would have been given anti-retrovirals.

    One demographic trick Europeans may still have up their sleeves is to stop vaccinating or giving healthcare to Third Worlders.

  29. Thulean Friend says

    On the issue of the importance of ideas over everything else (past demography, geography etc) is this nicely summed up tweet:

    https://twitter.com/LivesMorgoth/status/1173338038723862528

    Accelerationists do not understand or appreciate this. People won’t suddenly “wake up” just because the demography changes, even if suddenly. They will just spasm for a period of time but all their cultural moorings prevents them from drawing the correct conclusions, and so will be easily led back into the fold over time. I’d rather reach the correct conclusions with minimal disturbances than flail around with third worlders everywhere around me. The obstacle is primarily intellectual, rooted in deeper belief systems. It won’t be solved by flooding yourself faster, that is lazy and fundamentally self-destructive.

    P.S. notice that the account spouting the liberal opinion is an UKIP:er. The problem is not “the left”. It goes much deeper than that.

  30. Timing is bad for acceleration – big elections behind us and a relative stable period for 1-2 years. So they will restart the migration madness hoping to again put a ‘brake’ on it at politically right time.

    I am always amazed by how many (not always liberal) morons I meet who actually argue with “but the number of migrants is down from last year” or ‘there hasn’t been as many sexual assaults lately” or ‘did you see 5 people just got deported“.

    The die-hard open borders fanatics are bad, but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz… ).

  31. Jungle Fever and Afro-Colonization of White Wombs will be the undoing of the white race.

    These are affluent college educated girls.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1172572006769991680

  32. White South Africans are an interesting group. For once, I am going to agree with Bliss, and say that you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces. It is kind of startling to think about: most of the time it is a low amount like 2-3%, and a mix at that (Malay, Bushmen, and Bantu), but I swear, you still can often see it. Like take a good look at five men, and you will see it in at least one. Maybe, these people are a higher percentage admixture?

    But I concur in general: they are at least politically white, if not fully European. And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country’s prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    Same lesson regarding America. Americans are just Europeans in North America, though many Europeans would like to think differently. In fact, Americans might be better situated, being further from Africa. Some think that America had no culture, and that is why it was susceptible. This is an error: it did have one.

  33. German_reader says

    but I am not sure the math-challenged split-the-difference moderates are much better (Seehofer, S.Kurz… )

    That’s a rather charitable assessment of Seehofer and Kurz.
    The Austrian Christian Democrats have actually made banning the identitarians (!) a pre-condition for any future coalition government and have also stated they won’t accept a return of the FPÖ’s Herbert Kickl (who’s actually serious about immigration restriction) as minister of the interior. The only explanation for such behaviour is that they actually want mass immigration to continue and want to criminalize opposition to it.
    As for Seehofer, the man is just scum, nothing “moderate” about him either, he’s supported every open borders initiative of Merkel’s government and was a firm defender of the UN global compact for migration. His only function is to lull braindead conservatives who are afraid of being called Nazis into still voting for the Christian Democrats.

  34. German_reader says

    This is an error: it did have one.

    Yes, but unfortunately the Yankee fanatics who came up with “John Brown’s body” and “Battle hymn of the republic” were a strong component of it.

  35. I’m not an accelerationist, mainly because I think there could be a genetic shift in whites, regarding ethnocentrism.

  36. …charitable assessment of Seehofer and Kurz.

    Yeah, you are right. I am more charitable on Sundays, you know the Christian thing :)…

  37. Thulean Friend says

    I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.

  38. I am less concerned about white wombs than I am about white men who allow that shit to happen.

    What can white men do? White women are liberated and can do as they please. As their music is rap and hip hop, this is how they act. And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(that is, if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.

    It used to be that to-have-power meant you had control over your urges.
    Now, ’empowerment’ means to give in to your urges.

    Loss of self-control in favor of more pleasure. It’s the empowerment of junkies who gotta have drugs.

  39. No need to be a boomer to think that. It does look disgusting. What the hell is it made from?

  40. Funny you should mention that: the book I am reading now is Flashman and the Angel of the Lord. Has Flashman recruited reluctantly into joining John Brown in an effort to foil him.

    Julia Ward Howe, who wrote the lyrics to Battlehym, was the wife of a member of the the Secret Six who funded John Brown. Thorfinn likes the song, but I find it pretty abominable, even beyond its racial connotations. It is a song written by a woman celebrating the killing of men, for feelz.

  41. Thulean Friend says

    What can white men do?

    Saying no for a start. Not having a defeatist attitude that nothing can be done. None of this is inevitable or a given. Social norms are a constant negotiation and a contest of willpower, ultimately.

    And their boomer fathers grew up to rock and roll, and their white boyfriends(if they are white) are a bunch of cuckish fans of rap music and black sports.

    You’re making my point for me. The rot is just as deep with white men, if not deeper. Women just imitate men in their vincinity, whether fathers, brothers, boyfriends, classmates etc. Do you think that Jewish Orthodox women act the way they act because they are special women in some way? They act the way they act because of jewish orthodox men imposing their will.

    White men have been so pussywhipped that acting as men, and being unapologetic about male authority, is seen as inconceivable, even unfathomamable.

  42. I don’t know about an immediate impact on business or oil prices. I think that was intended as a message to the Empire and its sidekicks in the region: a demonstration that everything in the neighborhood, including huge American bases and aircraft carrier groups, is in range. We’ll see whether intended recipients of this message learn the lesson the easy way, or will learn it only the hard way, with immense loss of face.

  43. German_reader says
  44. So, you Germans let the state apparatus, several political parties, and both large “Christian” denominations be taken over by cucks. A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either. Maybe that’s the way to save Germany?

  45. German_reader says

    A few East Germans I know are vehemently against Merkel’s suicidal immigration policy. They don’t believe in any gods, either.

    That’s definitely a factor among some East Germans who are irreligious and have no patience for the positive view of Islam shoved down our throats by the establishment, not least prominent Christian Democrats (e.g. Christian Wulff, president 2010-2012, spent most of his time promoting Islam…when he commemorated the Berlin wall, you could get the impression the worst thing about it was that there was no Muslim immigration to the GDR…Merkel’s 2015 decision didn’t come out of nowhere).
    I’m not in favour of right-wingers adopting an explicitly anti-Christian stance, but given the policies they’re actively pushing the Christian churches in Germany imo will be increasingly discredited among large parts of the population. They’re both shedding members like mad, hundreds of thousands each year through death or formally leaving the church. The Catholics of course have their global church, but the Lutherans won’t be much more than a sect in 20 years, but unfortunately they can do a lot of damage given their privileged position in the German state.

  46. White girls probably wouldn’t act that way IF white guys beat blacks in sports or could sing louder.

    In a free society, people gravitate to what excites them. As blacks holler loudest and run fastest, they dominate pop music and sports, both of which are strong in sexual content.

    The only way to stop the current trend is to end freedom and impose iron rule UNTIL blacks are removed from white spaces. And then, freedom can be restored.

    As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.

  47. I find it hard to blame Germans because they were ground zero for anti-Nazism. And, truth be told, we all pretty much live in oligarchies.

  48. German Reader doesn’t seem to be to fond of Christianity in general. East Germans are lucky in that their attitudes were preserved by the the Soviet freezer.

  49. That article is surprisingly honest about the epidemic of HIV in gay communities if unintentionally. Or will it get taken down before someone accuses it of perpetuating homophobic stereotypes. Also thanks for the second article, hilarious read ! Had a good laugh about its absurdity!

  50. The one impact is clear, the days of the US run so called “war” are over, I say “war” because bombing helpless opponents from the air is not a real war. The cheap access to drones means that all that expensive hardware Saudi Arabia has not given the automatic dominance in the war.

    I hope that the Houthis can start assassinating the Saudi royals with drone strikes (even better however would be the locals taking them out however), once those rotters are gone then Israel will have lost another loyal cuck state.

  51. Abelard Lindsey says

    Has it ever occurred to any of these ladies in the video that they are acting essentially like animals?

  52. I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.

    And besides, I think it is more complicated than that: communism sows distrust in the system. And then also, Eastern Germany is demographically different, despite Berlin, and demography influences culture. I wonder too, if the more cosmopolitan weren’t likelier to go West. And what is the average age? Could be older.

  53. I like fried minced meat as much as the next guy but it’s far more disgusting when you think about it. Dairy and eggs too.

  54. Lol but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    Although when idiotic young women of Novorossiysk distastefully filmed a video dancing in front of the war memorial on Malaya Zemlya, they were arrested and had to go to prison for 15 days for disrespect to the war memorial. (I think they only filmed in front of the war memorial, because it was one of the only grass parks in their city).

  55. I have Amazon Prime. I even watched the video channel recently. They have a new subtitled Russian series available, золотая орда. It’s very good for learners. The speaking is slow and deliberate. I think it is an attempt at majestic but it makes everything easy to follow. As usual, subtitles are not literal translations but help a lot. It is a marvellous exercise in perfective verbs. The characters are all reporting past events or plotting the future.

    The film doesn’t claim historical accuracy. It is a Russian nationalist, especially Orthodox, narrative. The crowd and battle scenes are low budget. It is mostly intrigue. I guess the Russian TV audience is as feminised as in the US.

  56. They don’t need to be in contact with negroes. They see this shit on TV and on the internet and then decide to copy it because its ‘cool’ and ‘popular’.

  57. you can often see the non-white admixture in their faces

    The Afrikaners are not the only whites in South Africa, they were the earliest settlers and had some significant miscegenation at the beginning. However the non Afrikaner groups are about 40% of the whites and you will not be able to tell if they are from South Africa, America or where the place their ancestors are from (mostly Britain, Germany, former Portuguese colonies).

    As for the the dominance of liberalism, despite the impossibility of denying the racial realities of black run societies, this is absolutely true. The pop culture that Hollywood churns out is just as consumed and taken seriously as it is in most other formerly white lands, so is the neoliberal ideology of The Economist taken as gospel by the business elite. Then there is the very strong fear factor, talking about race is very dangerous, even with the closest of friends. Even if one does not sincerely believe in liberal theologies, the risk of going against it is so great that most will just accept it.

  58. “like animals” (the pelvic cadence in the video)

    Agree. Like animals. The cadence is much too fast for humans. The proper pelvic cadence is much more meticulous, fastidious. A metaphor.
    BTW, the proper chest-compression cadence for CPR is 100 per minute. This is achieved by thinking of the song “Stayin’ Alive,” which has exactly that cadence. CPR trainers teach this cadence tool, and outcome studies validate its merit.

  59. Who needs carriers? Who even needs anti-tank missiles. It’s the age of the drone. Soon, the drone swarm. 5 years ago, I was dealing with drones with enough on board intelligence to recognize a building, find an entrance and explore, a without control signals. One high speed burst of data at the end of the mission. Could deliver poison gas, of course. This was a civilian drone that the developers wanted to sell in Russia. We found them a software developer ready to set them up as a network of search and WiFi deployment devices for the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Then Russia annexed Crimea. End of story.

    A drone swarm with nerve gas could be a substantial weapon. Should ‘large ships be stationed in Bahrain?

    It should be noted that the Extinction Emergency protestors attempt to shut down Heathrow airport with drones failed. Their drones were jammed and fell out of the sky. They were reduced to holding drones above their heads War drones need to be autonomous.

    Reconnaissance drones are already smaller than a humming bird.

  60. This isn’t USA, no goblinas, orcs and Uruks are present.
    Besides, there are actual stunners present, and most of thots have no cellulite and are toned unlike US flabby, skinnyfat girls. The video was posted to ridicule them whyte wymen, because they fail compared to ghetto rat “artists” of the “craft” of twerking.

    It is apparently Ukraine, Odessa.

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.

  61. What’s disgusting about meat, eggs and dairy?

    Processed food is junk, there are no exceptions. The ingredients and manufacture are optimised for profit, has low nutritional value and high calorie content.

    Fresh animal protein is the best, combined with fresh fruit and vegetables.

  62. With Oumuamua, people were speculating that interstellar comets were a physical impossibility – that the volatiles would completely boil off during the long journey.

    Therefore, this new one is an interesting find. I wonder if it fits into the idea of panspermia.

  63. You can say it is the responsibility of African Americans for the inelegant particular form, but not for the content or reason for its popularity (girls want a reaction).

    Twerking is just lowest common denominator and inelegant way for girls to attract attention to their bodies.

    But there are equally non-African dancing styles which can express the same content. E.g. a local fashion for pole dancing studios with high heels

  64. Salvini gone in Italy, Italian ports will be open again

    It was already starting to break in June, if you remember Sea-Watch 3 (where the judge had supported the captain):

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1171556793257996293

    Captain who broke Italy’s migrant ban says ready to rescue more people at sea, raps EU

    A German captain who defied Italy’s ban on boats bringing migrants ashore said on Tuesday she was determined to carry on rescuing migrants from the Mediterranean, even though her ship Sea-Watch 3 remains impounded in an Italian port.

    Carola Rackete, in Barcelona to receive an award from the Catalan parliament for her rescue missions, also urged the European Union to agree on a policy for redistributing migrants around the bloc to help relieve the pressure on Italy.

    “We are definitely willing (to continue rescuing migrants) and there’s a full crew on board ready to sail at any point … I think it’s a very, very important duty to rescue people in maritime distress,” Rackete, 31, told Reuters.

    Sea-Watch 3 is currently detained in the Italian port of Lucata. In June, Rackete piloted the vessel into port on the Italian island of Lampedusa with 41 migrants aboard despite efforts by the then-interior minister Matteo Salvini, leader of the far-right League, to stop her.

  65. I like freezer theory, but does it really work as well for the DDR? Most of the country got Western TV for a while.

    There were reportages in German media during the short-lived PEGIDA marches (IIRC) in Saxony about DDR-era “the valley of the clueless” which were the only part of the country where transmissions from West Berlin didn’t reach.

    The fact that Saxony has turned from a “Red” area to the most “reactionary” part of Germany would seem to corroborate the theory.

  66. German_reader says

    AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on “the valley of the clueless” was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists (“Hahaha, look how ignorant those people are! Never learned democracy, didn’t have bananas to eat, were economic refugees in 1990 and now they’re hating other refugees!”).
    Pegida btw wasn’t short-lived, it still exists (though on a much reduced scale)…in any case, it was remarkably prescient in 2014.
    Real question imo shouldn’t be however what’s so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

  67. Saxony is very rural though isn’t it? (maybe, someone with better knowledge of German geography than me could chime in…) If there is a difference, it could be rural/urban.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda. Personally, I would banish anyone associated with DW to Africa, without a second thought.

    Hard to separate these different factors.

  68. I read somewhere that Merkel’s decision to welcome over a million refugees was a panicky reaction to the PEGIDA demonstrations.

  69. yakushimaru says:
    September 10, 2019 at 4:32 am GMT
    @Godfree Roberts
    “I’m dumbstriken.

    You know I am Chinese living in China. I can’t say I ever met a single Chinese who loves Mao half as you do.”

    yakushimaru either lives in a cave with no access to Internets or doesn’t live in China at all…

    A few years ago, a video was posted on Chinese Internets showing a favorite TV talent show host insulted Mao at a private gathering. The outages it ensued was mind boggling, never mind how popular he had been as a TV star. And he end up getting fired… There’s no way a “Chinese living in China” with access to Internets doesn’t know this incident, it was huge.

    I suspect that video was leaked to run an unofficial “poll” on opinions of Mao by the top level CCP . “Who do you love more, a darling TV star or Mao?” And the people have spoken…

  70. Speaking of WW2, I was thinking recently of the Potsdam Declaration, which included this line: “we do not intend that the Japanese shall be enslaved as a race or destroyed as a nation…”

  71. AfD does well throughout the former East Germany, the focus on “the valley of the clueless” was just a special form of the Ossie-bashing beloved by mainstream journalists

    My impression based on older electoral maps was that Saxony was their stronghold.

    https://cn.bing.com/th?id=OIP.hbwnN2m7n2CBKVGn7DPhngHaKg&pid=Api&dpr=2.75

    https://cn.bing.com/th?id=OIP.HH965Lj5vt85AwpijjxdewHaIR&pid=Api&dpr=2.75

    But it seems as if they are spreading into Thuringia and southern Saxony-Anhalt and parts of Brandenburg as well recently.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Europawahl_2019_in_Deutschland_%E2%80%93_Vorl%C3%A4ufiges_Ergebnis_der_AfD_%28%25%29.svg/896px-Europawahl_2019_in_Deutschland_%E2%80%93_Vorl%C3%A4ufiges_Ergebnis_der_AfD_%28%25%29.svg.png

    Real question imo shouldn’t be however what’s so special about East Germans, but rather, what the hell is wrong with West Germans (and many others in Western Europe)? How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

    From my subjective experience it seems that there are people who realise that everything is going downhills and that changes need to be made. Yet very few of them dare to think about “forbidden” solutions that go against what they are taught – which ends up in them floundering.

  72. It never stopped, around 10 000 at minimum entered just via Bosnia&Herzegovina, i would say it’s at least 20 000, because government here lies about that stuff.

    Now it’s just gonna get on intensity again. But i wouldn’t count Erdogan words too much, it probably will be few thousands more per year. Med route tho. Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.

  73. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    As much as I would enjoy the company of several of those blondies, witnessing this behaviour kills any desire to interact with them. Twerking is disgusting on so many levels, animals in heat act with more dignity.

    You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.

    It’s always easy to forget, but the only real value of women (besides family or professional reasons) lies in casual sex or family formation (cleaning or basic service functions included as well). You can guess for yourself as to what purpose these women are good for.

  74. German_reader says

    Especially with all those Scandinavians virtue signaling with those ships.

    Probably more Germans than Scandinavians. These open borders ngos (which are quite explicit about their intentions, it really is about opening Europe to potentially unlimited mass immigration, with global freedom of movement seen as a human right) have the support of much of the establishment here, president Steinmeier has spoken in their support (“saving people can’t be a crime”), the churches support them, prominent Christian Democrats as well (the minister president of North-Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous German state, Armin Laschet, a possible Merkel successor, recently called Salvini a Hetzer, a rabble-rouser, an enemy of the refugees). There’s now also a movement by dozens of towns and cities which have declared their willingness to take in additional “refugees” and are lobbying for transportation of Africans taken up in the Mediterranean to Europe.
    Even worse, they’re still pushing for the idea that there needs to be a “fair” distribution of “refugees” throughout the EU. The hubris is stunning.

  75. This video was making the 4chan rounds a few years ago

    A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/”stipper-obics”) is marketed as exercise (which I’m sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around). And for every one internet moral crusader disgusted by this behavior there’s about 1000 other guys who are turned on by it.

  76. whole world is a colony of globo-homo-schlomo-afro America.

  77. How much shit does one need to have in the head to believe that inviting millions of Muslims and Africans to Europe is a good idea?

    Apparently, the heads of too many Germans are full of shit. Interestingly enough, shitheads are more common in the “democratic” West than in the “undemocratic” East. Tells you a lot about current version of “democracy”.

  78. Anarcho-Supremacist says

    Salvini was already going to win big time and now these latest actions are just going to increase his majority. They are almost giving it to him with their actions.

  79. Saxony has two large cities, Leipzig and Dresden. So, it is not rural. It just shows that cuckishness was promoted by “democracies” long before 1991.

    Plus, German media is an abominable combination of fluff, lies, and propaganda.

    Isn’t all Western MSM exactly like that? Say, American MSM output is 90% lies and 10% truth twisted beyond recognition.

  80. Belarusian Anon says

    Crazy how much people whine about interracial marriage. It’s a non problem, a few mutt faces will not ultimately do anything and the problem first and foremost in all the white countries of the world is first and foremost low birthrate among white couples. Once white folks start giving birth then we can start lynching the nogs, until then shut up.

  81. Well, it’s actually surprising how many such people actually exist on Balkans, but still it’s all fueled by American dollars, and some EU grants. There’s a NGO “Are you Syrious” located in Zagreb, and on facebook, they even posted materials on Arabic, Urdu and other Asiatic languages how to avoid border police, across Balkans. Incredible.

    Tutorial how to break a law, and nothing is done against them, which means that Zagreb obeys the west. Truth to be told Croatians are chasing those poor ones and sending them back to Bihać even using physical force, but those that can pay transit are passing unbothered. Which makes me think that German politicians are trying to filter who gets in.

  82. there’s about 1000 other dogs who are turned on by it

  83. Saxony has two large cities, Leipzig and Dresden. So, it is not rural.

    Only person I ever knew from Saxony was a farmer. Guess that is incident, and it is the North of Eastern Germany that is least populated – not what I would have expected by instinct.

    Isn’t all Western MSM exactly like that?

    Pretty much, but I am still disturbed by what I saw during Merkel’s migrant invasion. Though, I guess it is not really even slightly different than US media coverage of the Southern border.

  84. davidgmillsatty says

    The Democrats have the edge in popular vote. The Republicans have the edge in the Electoral College vote. And it will stay that way for a long time. The Democrats will get more and more urban giving them an edge in the popular vote. The Republicans will get more and more rural and suburban giving them an edge in the Electoral College vote.

    And the ability to change the Constitution to make the Electoral College reflect the popular vote is damn near impossible. So the Democrats will not take over. It might be the reverse.

  85. As long as you have freedom and lots of blacks, blacks will dominate sports and jungle music, and too many whites will become jungle junkies.

    If we are talking about the liberated behavior of different Schoolgirls, the African emigration has nothing to do with it. Girls tend to attract attention in any way, it is a genetic program.

    Here is ex-USSR where there are no blacks

    http://i.imgur.com/xKC1dWv.jpg

    https://negani.com/uploads/posts/2013-06/1372542445_4.jpg

    etc, etc

    There is nothing new in this

    https://img3.goodfon.ru/original/1024×768/d/a6/boilly-lyudi-igra-bilyard.jpg

    Or for example oficial portrait of Empress Elizabeth Petrovna

    https://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2019/08/23/18/20190823185134543/pic_521c2e603c89e1ce013d0916b95d4c6d.jpg

  86. Thulean Friend says

    but in Russia though, schoolgirls are twerking without any direct social contact of African Americans.

    And why would they need any direct social contract. I clicked on your link and found these two as recommendations:

    These are talent shows with tens of millions of views with a huge upvote share. Russian society is sexually permissive and Russian men allow their women to act like glorified hookers on national TV. I’m not saying we are better, we clearly aren’t, but in this regard Russia is not any different from the West. And my point is that this is not an automatic rule. I don’t buy the whole “lol girls just wanna have fun” excuse. This kind of shit is promoted nonstop in the media. It didn’t happen organically. More importantly, the men allow it to happen. You have even seen that kind of justification in this thread.

    The same kind of culture is beamed into other parts of the non-white world, but there men impose a social cost to acting like this. In Russia you can get on talent shows acting like a whore. This is a social choice by the men of their respective societies and let’s not pretend otherwise.

  87. Thulean Friend says

    You’re trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised, or at least put up their hands in resignation. A society’s women act the way they are allowed to by their men. Feminists are not wrong in this, which is why they obsess over men’s attitudes.

    There is nothing automatic about dressing like a hooker, and it doesn’t serve anyone trying to pretend otherwise. If men show permissive attitudes, women will take the cue. It’s that simple. This is a social choice made by the men in that society and not taking a stand against something is also taking an implicit stand in favor of it, by allowing it to happen.

  88. Anarcho-Supremacist says

    Your almost acting like a cuck for Yang at this point AK. The first thing he said in the first debate is that “Russia is a bigger threat the China” and he repeats the MSMs script on “WHITE SUPREMACY” verbatim. Its almost like you still like hime because he is one of bay area bros.

  89. Thulean Friend says

    So I am quite amused by this thread. On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say. Meanwhile:

    https://i.imgur.com/nTe0Z6k.jpg

    The point I’m making is that people who care about the social norms in any given society are the ones who will shape it. Trannies are being pushed today by the same people who started a lot of the negative social trends decades earlier. Fatalism/passive acceptance or ironybro posting is not an answer to any of this.

  90. Stop being a self hating cuck.

    Non white men impose a cost because the state is less effective.

    Study on Islamic Terror indicated when the state can prevent retaliatory mob violence the sullahs do more terrorism.

    Liberalism is a global and not a white non white problem. It’s just a more advanced problem in the white world.

    A fucking Indian or Chinese doesn’t want to be filled with Negroes either and even one is too many so Stfu.

  91. https://twitter.com/bullehbatalvi/status/1128599391168647170?s=20

    https://twitter.com/bullehbatalvi/status/1144517228609490944?s=20

    https://youtu.be/-WdOZiVjLj8

    Khalsa travels the world unhindered.
    Without wealth they are rich,
    Without land, Kings.

    Karlin pretends to be a Saka
    A Zath of the Massagetae
    An Alan of the Rukhsalan
    Or a Sarmat among the Aryas

    He is just a semite cow-killer.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  92. The Big Red Scary says

    Recently, I went to a conference in Akademgorodok, a scientific suburb of Novosibirsk built in the late Khrushchev era. Hands down this is the nicest small Russian town I have seen. Clean, orderly, polite. Good food and coffee.

    Novosibirsk itself, while having a few nice streets, is in general rather shabby. Philip Philipovich Preobrazhensky was right. I do not love the proletariat. Intelligent, conscientious people have a duty to take up the burden of organizing society.

    Anyhow, after that visit, I finally got around to reading Spufford’s Red Plenty, part of which is set in Akademgorodok. One plot point that stuck out, rather suspiciously, is when the geneticist studying mutations discovers two cohorts of people exhibiting an increased rate of mutation: a cohort growing up (or born?) during the Civil War and another growing up during Stalin’s Terror. Notably she found no increased rate of mutation from the cohort who grew up during the Second World War. Supposedly these were the discoveries of the real-life model for this character, Raisa Berg, but I haven’t pursued that yet.

    A few thoughts.

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples? In this content, I’ve only ever heard of fat content statistics, not mutation rates.

    Second, while it is not surprising that the Civil War left a mark on Russian DNA, I’m very skeptical that Stalin would have left a more noticeable mark than Hitler. Rough numbers from Google: 8 million dead in the civil war, 600,000 to 1.2 million dead from Stalin’s Terror, and about 20 million dead during the German invasion. So Stalin’s Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.

  93. Thulean Friend says

    First, it would certainly be interesting to look at genetic traces of major historical events. Does anyone know of other examples?

    A famous example would be the Dutch winter famine of 1944. This deals with the genetics effects for those born during that period. Does this qualify as ‘fat content statistics’, though?

  94. Kent Nationalist says

    Peak deracination

  95. You should consider the disgust you feel to be a good thing. It kills any naive or careless delusions that so many men have as far as women are concerned.

    This is why I always say you disgusting manosphere creeps are the ugly mirror image of feminists, only worse. Feminists define men according to their behavior at their worst, ignoring all the good they do and are.

    Feminists are far more gracious to men, though. They condemn only learned toxic masculinity (like yours) rather than concoct bogus theories of men’s innate wickedness.

  96. The Big Red Scary says

    Thanks. The Dutch winter famine is what I vaguely had in mind and was trying to recall, but I didn’t know there had been a genetic rather than purely phenotypical study.

    And I should have mentioned the Soviet Famine of 1932-1933 as another example of a major historical event of far greater magnitude than that of Stalin’s Terror.

    I don’t know much about demographics, but it seems to me that in questions of population, the sensible order of magnitude is powers of 2 rather than of 10. So one can say that the Civil War and Famine were each at least 3 orders of magnitude greater in death toll than the Terror, while the War was at least 4 orders of magnitude greater.

  97. The Big Red Scary says

    Rosie, when a normal man has got himself a good bunch of grapes, he will praise their sweetness, even as they start getting a bit wrinkly and less juicy. Don’t waste your time on those who complain about sour grapes.

  98. There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe” (i.e., only other women around).

    Fact check: mostly true.

    Yes, we like to dance, ideally with other women. And yes, dancing is inherently sexual, but I don’t think that proves there’s no Jewish conspiracy. Gyms don’t offer any dance classes that don’t reflect the (((popular culture))).

  99. There’s a whole interconnected government structure throughout the West (it’s not enough to just topple one of them, not even the strongest), judiciary (also interconnected in Europe at least), media, big tech, academia, and probably a few more I forgot to mention. The whole thing is stacked against us.

    Now, it’s not like some self-improvement advice is going to help. Nor some kind of movement, even copying our enemies won’t help. (They operated abusing the old elites’ sense of fairness. “I ask for mercy when you are stronger, because that is your principle. I don’t give mercy when I’m stronger, because that is my principle.”)

    We are at the point where we need our enemies to make major mistakes. I’m pretty sure that they will make mistakes. It’s just the nature of things that the strong always make mistakes. Nothing lasts forever. The only question is if their collapse will come before or after it’s too late demographically.

  100. On the one hand we have fatalists like melanf and others who give their implicit acceptance by pretending nothing can be done. On the other hand, we have dumb ironybro posters like reiner Tor who has nothing to say.

    Your constructive proposal on what needs to be done is?

  101. ironybro

    Don’t be so square. You also did great parody with your jokes praising the synthetic “food.”

  102. A lot of this stuff (twerk classes, pole dancing/”stipper-obics”) is marketed as exercise (which I’m sure it is). There is no great Jewish conspiracy here: women like to dance, they like to feel sexual and they want to do it in an environment that feels “safe”

    Riiiight.
    This behaviour being in “women’s nature”, you think women 30, 50, 100, 200 years ago would approve of it and join in the fun?

    It’s almost as if moral code, desired and acceptable behaviour are not dictated by women themselves… And that there is a concentrated push coming from certain circles and groups with the explicite goal of undermining European traditions and social norms.

  103. anonymous coward says

    Ironically it looks like the first Russian fast food chain to trial Beyond Meat will be the traditionalist Teremok chain

    Not ironic. Vegetable-based patties are a traditional Russian food, plus Teremok (being a traditionalist chain) features a Lent menu.

  104. Apparently, criticising women engaging in degenerate, humiliating behaviour and reducing themselves to meat and holes is – toxic masculinity.

  105. Here’s my proposal:

    • do the personal self-improvement part. Many examples. Sports: if you are morbidly obese, go for walk every day. You can try pushups leaning on the wall. (Way easier, you should be able to do that.) Just start doing something. Stay longer outdoors. (Even reading a book is better outside.) Maybe cold showers. Reduce alcohol consumption if you drink a lot. Reduce or give up smoking. Reduce breathing volume, better breathing habits. (Yoga is great.) Etc. (Just start one small thing at first. Don’t overuse your willpower. It needs training, too.)
    • social self-improvement. Stand up for yourself and for others, at least whenever it’s possible. Don’t engage in depraved behavior. Be moral. If it’s impossible, at least don’t participate in the bad things. Criticize others for depravity. Etc.
    • possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview. Don’t engage in stupid infighting about minute details or slight differences in tactics. Etc.
    • be ready to punish the Enemy for its mistakes. But be prepared to wait patiently.

    There might be a few more points, it’s merely a rough idea.

  106. It could be summed up – start acting like a tribe, looking out after tribal interests. Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family – meaning that even though your personal interests are at the top, trying to help or at least not harm others is mandatory.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers, egoism and hedonism combined with just core family living in a flat has had a very negative impact on children. I witness it everyday – they are neglected and raised by their surroundings and media/Internet.
    Which is naturally a disaster because the lowest common denominator in this age are stupid realities, celebrities, whoredom, shallow materialism and moral relativism.

    What you wrote is correct, but it is unrealistic – average people mostly lack the discipline, will and intelligence to do this on their own. What is needed is social pressure aimed at correcting and/or avoiding undesired behaviour – which is a difficult battle if the media is full of Hollywood and Globohomo propaganda.

    Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs – might become a necessity.

  107. The Big Red Scary says

    My daughter likes dancing, and we spent some time looking for a decent dance studio where she could take a class, but failed. All of the dance studios in our area offered either pole-dancing and belly-dancing at the same time as the kiddy classes, so that my daughter would see all of the hussies as she came and went, or were hyper-competitive and demanded a time commitment that we felt was inappropriate at her age. Instead, we are looking into the soft version of Wushu (kung fu for princesses), with ribbons and pretty traditional Chinese music.

  108. anonymous coward says

    toxic masculinity

    Telling women to raise kids and form families is now “toxic masculinity”??

    Are you mad??

  109. I’d eat vegetable based patties. But super-processed synthetic food?

  110. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Honestly, I replied to you with a LOL because your Feminist svidomy (not sure if there could be a better phrase than that) is genuinely amusing. Of course, it’s also not worth arguing with silly and shallow women, which is basically what 99.9% of all women are currently as a result of their surroundings and programming.

    I’ve already wasted more than enough time on that with you and I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway (which is quite natural as on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on).

  111. Telling women to raise kids and form families is now “toxic masculinity”??

    http://www.scientificskeptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/StrawMan2.jpg

  112. on average men are obviously superior to women in strength, intelligence and so on

    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.

  113. I have absolutely no reason to doubt that I am a superior form of life to you anyway

    Plato was right. Anyone who claims to be a “superior life form” is certainly an inferior one.

  114. Apparently, criticising women engaging in degenerate, humiliating behaviour and reducing themselves to meat and holes is – toxic masculinity.

    You’re free to criticize them all you want. Just don’t lump me in with them. (I’m not saying you did that, but TheTotallyAnonymous certainly did.)

    Shall we judge ALL men based on how some act when they’re partying with their bros? I’m sure that wouldn’t be particularly flattering either.

  115. Kent Nationalist says

    Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.

  116. These things go in cycles..

  117. Men naturally have an overly rosy image of women they like, so realistic advice from other men is necessary to counteract it. Naturally women like you would prefer that men continue to be deluded and making bad decisions.

    Switch the genders around and you have articulated the rationale for radical feminism, in short.

  118. Since everyone from melanf to Thulean Friend is posting pictures and videos of scantily dressed whores so shall I.

    Whitey, never mind the black and tan hordes invading and overwhelming all of your homelands. What you really need to worry about is how women dress!

  119. Are you mentally impaired?

    Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.

    It isn’t, it is against traiditional society and family, and mobilised women for labour market, transforming them into drones and consumers.

  120. Thulean Friend says

    An interesting long-form interview with one of the Google whistleblowers. The guy in question became one of the chief engineers over at Youtube when he saw a drastic increase in censorship and ultimately paid for it with a high-paying career (200K USD salary). Respect where its due.

    https://www.spreaker.com/user/nyadagbladet/i-mote-med-zachary-vorhies?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=user%3A10134768&utm_term=episode_title

    Don’t be scared by the Swedish text. The interview is conducted in English.

  121. Thulean Friend says

    And yes, dancing is inherently sexual

    Strongly disagree. Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right. Dancing can take many forms. When I visited Turkey, one of the most memorable scenes I saw was a spontaneous outburst of dancing on one of the passanger boats travelling to an island chain outside Istanbul. It started among mostly men but later women joined in. The vibe was respectable. No gyrations, no twerking. They weren’t even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Dancing can be incredibly enriching and fun, and it doesn’t need to be vulgar. Like any artform: it becomes what we choose to fill it with. If you aim for trash, you get trash.

  122. the African emigration has nothing to do with it.

    True, blacks have zero real control of the mass media/entertainment outlets. Jews on the other hand have near total dominance of all mass pop culture, things like twerking became an acceptable societal norm because jews made it so.

  123. Your line of thought would only make sense if feminism is a reaction to Sharia, basketball Americans, male degeneracy.

    Feminism is certainly a reaction to male degeneracy, among other things, namely the tendency of some men to dump their wives in middle age.

    Our generation was told in no uncertain terms: “Do not depend on a man. Be prepared to take care of yourself.” And who told us this? None other than Dear Old Dad himself.

    It is also a reaction to the dehumanizing attitudes you see often on this site, but are thankfully less common now.

  124. Kent Nationalist says

    Neither liberal (‘it’s your body do what you want’) nor radical (‘become a lesbian’) feminists give sensible advice about men though. Both of those oppose giving women sensible, grandmotherly advice about how to behave with men.

  125. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Since I used my LOL button on Rosie, I’ll just state I would press the AGREE button if I could with your comments 107, 110 and obviously this one; 112.

    Also, I have bad news. The women in the Serb diaspora, at least from what I see, are quite degenerate and unrestrained by their men (not all, of course, and this is probably similar in Serbia but there the women are at least overwhelmingly kept within the tribe). This isn’t because the men aren’t capable of doing so, but it’s more because they just go along with the naive illusions and beta male worshiping of women (more so from a vague sense of traditional obligation to “respect”, respect in the genuine not meme sense, women to an unecessarily high level). In general though, a large amount of Serbs in the diaspora have quite a weak connection to their homeland. Most of them don’t know the history of their people in depth and have not read serious Serb literature in detail, or they have not even really bothered at least to visit Serbia at all.

    It’s partly because some of them are just Yugo-Communist Boomers who engage in failed parenting, struggles with money and inferior economic opportunity compared to certain others, the trauma and stress from the 1990’s, contempt for Serbia from 2000-2012 (still ongoing for some) but also, of course, exposure to peak globohomo and the modern western “lifestyle”. My impression is that compared to many other ethnic groups, Serbs are somewhat plastic with their culture and identity so they assimilate quite easily into their host countries. All in all, I would state that only around 20-40% of the Serb diaspora can truly be considered Serbian and capable of potentially repatriating back to their homeland in the right circumstances. Considering the total Serb diaspora outside the Balkans numbers around 2 million total, this would mean somewhere between a few hundred thousand (2-4 hundred thousand) and almost a million (7-9 hundred thousand) Serbs.

    Parents working long hours, going after meme careers

    Otherwise, would you care to explain what you mean by the meme careers?

  126. Kent Nationalist says

    They weren’t even professionals (to my admittedly amateur eyes) but they made up for that by the sheer joy of movement. I remember thinking I would never see this kind of stuff in Sweden. Too many autists and emotionally stunted people.

    Spaniards do this all the time (although mostly to reggaeton rubbish); it’s a med thing.

  127. Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime (at most sensual) rather than sexual if done right.

    Ballet seems “pure” to you now only because you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography.

    https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-sordid-truth-degass-ballet-dancers

  128. The Big Red Scary says

    Your observations are perhaps fair on average, but I have encountered some positive counter-examples. In particular, I know a healthy and absolutely lovely Serbian church in a certain mid-sized German city. So at least some Serbs have managed to integrate into German society while at the same time maintaining their traditions, both spiritual and cultural.

  129. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Oh, and agree with comment 125 of yours as well, of course.

  130. Neither liberal (‘it’s your body do what you want’) nor radical (‘become a lesbian’) feminists give sensible advice about men though. Both of those oppose giving women sensible, grandmotherly advice about how to behave with men.

    Actually, many did and do. There is a strong anti-makeup and anti-fashion and pro-modesty streak in feminism. When I got tired of getting the wrong kind of attention from men, I gave all that up. It worked like a charm.

    In any event, the woman-haters don’t give any useful advice about women. All they do is tell men to manipulate women. Of course, being Macchiavellian sometimes gets you what you want. Playing hard to get works at least as well on men as it does on women. That doesn’t make it any less sociopathic.

  131. Thulean Friend says

    Why not three?

    A) Stop excusing whorish behaviour or being indifferent to it. Even doing this first step is a step too far for many in this thread. Being an ironybro like reiner Tor isn’t constructive either, it is just masked nihilism.

    B) Reject radical deracinated individualism and “fuck you, I got mine” attitudes. None of these issues will be solved by personal bravery. As I have repeatedly stressed in this thread, and which you apparently missed, is that we need social enforcement of different norms. The inescapable enabling factor of that requires collective action. Nobody is going to enforce anything on their own. That is why deracinated individualism has to be targeted, which is connected to liberal assumptions.

    C) Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds. I’m serious. What got us into this mess was ideas, not that those who wanted us harm could benchpress more at the gym. Reading is a criminally underrated activity and it needs to be elevated as a social status symbol.
    Try shaming someone today for not reading. They will look at you funny as if you’re from another century. It has become normalised not to read and there is no social shame attached to it. People who are uneducated are easily manipulated. I don’t give a shit about accusations of elitism. Non-readers need to be shamed. Of course, this doesn’t excuse being a fattie or a sloth. But too many of self-improvement debates start and end at the physical realm or at best delve into social matters. Too little is about erudition. I like the slogan knowledge is power. It needs to become the center of the debate again.

    I’ve tried to follow the KISS principle. There are countless of things to be done, but there’s something to be said about following a core set of basic principles to a T.

  132. Thulean Friend says

    I never said all Ballet is sophisticated or sensual. You can take any artform, including Ballet, and make it vulgar. That article, while interesting, dealt with the behind-the-stage dynamics. The fact that prostitution flourished does not surprise me. In ancient Greece, most actresses were doing prostitution as sidegigs, too. Does that take anything away from the magnificient dramas of Aeschylus, Sophocles or Euripides? Prostitution was rife in Shakespeare’s London too. Does that diminish his works?

    We have to learn to seperate the lives of the people performing the art from the actual art. The article you linked contains some insights on this, as he rejects the dancers’ sexual attempts at gaining favors by instead focusing on his obsessive pursuit of perfection and pure beauty. A true artist.

    Life was cruel to French ballet dancers, and they didn’t have it much easier at the hands of Degas himself. Although the artist was known to reject the advances of his models, his callousness manifested in other ways. To capture the physicality and discipline of the dancers, Degas demanded his models pose for hours at a time, enduring excruciating discomfort as they held their contorted positions. He wanted to capture his “little monkey girls,” as he called them, “cracking their joints” at the barre. “I have perhaps too often considered woman as an animal,” he once told the painter Pierre Georges Jeanniot in a moment of revealing honesty.

    Degas was undoubtedly a merciless, cantankerous man. He was a misogynist—peers seemed almost afraid of his antagonism towards women—an especially troubling reputation considering the already sexist norms of his society. Contemporary viewers now delight in the artist’s profoundly evocative hand and brilliant, textural applications of color. While it’s possible to admire Degas’s dancers from a formal standpoint, this narrow appreciation ignores the abuse these sorry girls suffered. A closer look at these works shows how the painter did indeed cut through the ballet’s kitschy artifice, uncovering a milieu of misery, hardship, and raw beauty.

    While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.

  133. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Don’t worry Epigon, Rosie isn’t mentally impaired, she’s just a woman.

  134. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Probably true to an extent, but without women, men would be nothing.

    Men would only be nothing without women in the sense that more men could not come into this world. Otherwise, all the current men who have already been born could easily survive by themselves up to their final years without women. The problem is that women are necessary to make children. Therefore, gearing their behavior towards making babies and caring for them as they grow up is of a very high importance.

  135. Discarding the cult of the gymbro and elevating nerds.

    That’s fine and dandy, but

    • currently nerds are already valued in society (just not as sexual partners, for which what you call “gymbro” is a useful thing), in fact, many new billionaires are nerds (like Zuckerberg)
    • people commenting here are already nerds. No need to work on your strength, you need to work on your weaknesses.
    • physically decrepit people cannot have healthy thoughts, at least not on average. The soyboy meme has some basis in reality (even if some soyboys, like you are apparently, might have more or less solid views).
  136. Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

  137. By the way, most nerds in the 19th century were physically often on the level of moderately fit people today. There were simply no cars, elevators, rolling luggages, etc., people had to be in a reasonably good shape (and people actually doing physical work were very strong by today’s standards), even if they spent most of their days reading and writing books and letters and other documents.

  138. This is correct. All of my motivation was originally external and aimed at impressing and attracting girls.

    Then I became a narcissist.

  139. The only KISS principle – Kill Islamists, Sluts and Sodomites.
    Sweden RIP.

    Jokes aside, I was genuinely interested in your ideas, opinions and they seem to be generally similar to mine.
    Personal as well as collective efforts are needed.

  140. I’m a supporter of self-imposed nuclear annihilation, this being the first I’d heard of it: http://exiledonline.com/feature-story-the-case-for-nuclear-winter/

  141. Diaspora has already been written off – look up Serb military record in USA forces, for example.

    Even single digits repatriating is a welcome bonus – except in case of being an agent in employ of their adopted homeland.

    Regarding career, the very concept of career (academic, business) being the centrepiece of existence and the true meaning of life is a meme, pushed by corporatist, materialist West. Revelation that this is untrue often comes far too late.

  142. Rattus Norwegius says

    AK, are you familiar with Vox Ukraine?

    AK: No.

  143. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.

    This is true, but it shouldn’t be. It’s depressing how beta most men are. Getting access to women shouldn’t be the highest goal in life for men. Other things are much more important to sort out. Things like earning money, physical health, well-being of family, friends and so on should all come before access to women.

    In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    Feelz.

  144. Thing is, and a black Nationalist commented on this:

    Three ways of proving manhood are

    Sex Violence Money

    The latter two are essentially closed off to most men.

    Even if you do Sof you’re someone’s bitch
    You won’t be a millionaire with fuck you money

    If you can’t pull in girls and have eccentric interests most of society will avoid you.

    This is doubly true in fake gay countries where the Borg rules and everyone is assimilated to the bug man lifestyle.

    Women are the centrepiece of society even if they’re mostly narcissistic and retarded.

    Pussy feels good, but ultimately being able to have balls and secure a small fiefdom would get you it anyway.

    Instead everyone is cucked by the libtard state and the egregious thing is the elite are interested in little boys not hot cunt LOL!

  145. Kent Nationalist says

    Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter.

    I think Tolstoy made the same observation in the Kreuzer Sonata

  146. So Stalin’s Terror, while no doubt miserable to live through, was incomparable in magnitude to both the Civil War and to the Second World War.

    Yes, but Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people. Hitler’s victims were probably more evenly distributed.

  147. Stalin specifically targeted smart and conscientious hard-working people.

    Are you sure about this? This would be true for the last “kulaks” that were extinguished in the Great purge, but I wouldn’t extend it to the rest.

  148. Did you try rhythmic gymnastics? We did that for one of the kids. The instructor was from Russia, as were most of the kids’ parents.

  149. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Diaspora has already been written off – look up Serb military record in USA forces, for example.

    LOL harsh. I still understand the reasoning though.

    Even single digits repatriating is a welcome bonus – except in case of being an agent in employ of their adopted homeland.

    Of course. I’m sure though that repatriation into the tens of thousands or even up to a few hundreds of thousands could be possible with serious effort (I actually listened to Vucic recently say that apparently 20 nurses were already repatriated to Novi Sad and that repatriating some Serbs to return from the diaspora would become a greater priority for him in the future). A few thousand Serbs could be repatriated quite easily, possible even completely organically with minimal effort. Don’t underestimate the strengths of having a diaspora that is fond of its homeland and capable of genuinely helping it.

    For instance, I find that with Serbian charities for Serbs on Kosovo or just poor Serbs in general, the diaspora people are the largest source of donations, obviously. I don’t know if you donate to any charities, but just take a look at the SrbizaSrbe (I checked that it was legit and not a scam of course) charity whose specialty is in helping lift Serb families from across the Balkans with many kids out of poverty, and you will see where the majority of donations come from. This charity is very good because it’s name is by default based (Also read everything they write about their goals, purpose, etc), plus, they also claim that if they help enough many child Serb families out of poverty, in the future, they will start to subsidize young Serb women to have more kids (something the government should be doing, really).

    Regarding career, the very concept of career (academic, business) being the centrepiece of existence and the true meaning of life is a meme, pushed by corporatist, materialist West. Revelation that this is untrue often comes far too late.

    I couldn’t agree more. It’s cancerous how many of the people I know are infected with this mentality. I personally struggle to resist this pressure from my own family. I don’t know what your opinion on finishing university to get a job is, or university in general, but I’ve became quite disillusioned and tired of it all even though I’m stuck in the middle of a degree (finance) I’m “expected” to finish (I’ve also begun to seriously slack off into an awkward state of life paralysis this year). If it were purely up to me, I would instantly quit just to commit to private business efforts because success in that sphere would be well worth it, but unfortunately that’s not really an option. I personally can’t stand the thought of having to work from 9am-5pm on some arbitrarily pre-assigned mundane garbage in an office cell while taking orders from some cuck. Hard work and effort is completely fine in my opinion, as long as it is placed towards things that are worthwhile. Anyway, I haven’t been to Serbia and the Balkans for a long time (will go next year) and I’m not really sure what I’m going to do in the future but I need to seriously change something quickly if my future life is going to be pleasant …

  150. While he should have treated them better, let us not be naïve in that the women were innocent when they were seeking favors for sex.

    Typical. Force young girls into prostitution and then blame the victim.

    (FTR, I didn’t mean to belittle ballet. I don’t have a problem with the fact that dancing is sexual.)

  151. AK might be interested in this book?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-spies-review-the-peoples-secret-service-11568577232

    (have no idea how credible its claims are)

    Chinese Spies’ Review: The People’s Secret Service

    AK: Thanks, but too many other things to read.

    In “Chinese Spies,” Roger Faligot traces the history of the modern Chinese secret service. It is a history of espionage, “first against the French and British in the Shanghai Concessions, then against Chiang Kai-shek ’s Kuomintang and spies from Japan.” It culminates with China’s efforts in waging modern cyber warfare and maintaining what the author argues is the largest—and probably the most assertive—intelligence service in the world. It all began, we are told, with the creation of the Central Committee Special Branch, in November 1927, under the control of Zhou Enlai.

    Mr. Faligot has been chronicling the activities of various intelligence agencies—a notoriously difficult subject to research—for almost 40 years. He estimates that at the height of the Cold War between 40% and 60% of Chinese diplomats were involved in intelligence, compared to 20% of their Russian counterparts. This in addition to the many Chinese students and business executives operating under what is known as “nonofficial cover.”

    China has since become one of the world’s major intelligence players, especially in the area of signals intelligence, by eagerly forging alliances with whichever country serves its purpose. At first this was the Soviet Union, which in the 1920s and ’30s helped train many of China’s operatives. Then it was the U.S. and West Germany, which during the Cold War assisted China in monitoring the Soviet Union. Now Beijing is again aligned with Moscow in their common efforts to spy on the U.S.

    According to Mr. Faligot, China’s intelligence services are focused on protecting the state, suppressing dissent within the state (internet users, for example, are required to register with the government), and involving itself in the domestic affairs of other countries. Each of the three services—state security (guoanbu), public security (gonganbu) and army intelligence (PLA2)—is appointed a technical director, who handles the daily operations, and a political commissar, who is responsible, we are told, “for ensuring that the organization’s ideological orientation conforms to the strategy decreed by the CCP.” Between them the three services ran—indeed, often owned—Beijing’s largest hotels, where all the public rooms and bedrooms were bugged. At the Beijing Hotel, for instance, “telephone ladies” were constantly on call, ready to translate whatever language was being intercepted.

    A major focus for the Chinese over the past 40 years has been economic espionage. In 1982 the Ministry of Foreign Economic Relations and Trade was set up to offer cover for spies abroad. Many of these agents were trained at a school specializing in industrial espionage. The Chinese were also an early adopter of cyber warfare, attacking Mitsubishi and Sony in 2005.

    Within his framework of an institutional history, Mr. Faligot relates a series of case histories. Among them is the story of Larry Wu-Tai Chin, a U.S. citizen of Chinese origin who worked for 30 years as a translator for the CIA. Chin also, until his retirement in 1981, supplied high-grade intelligence to the Chinese. Despite being stationed at CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., Chin mostly met his handlers in restaurants and clothing shops in Toronto. He also had as an escape contact a Catholic priest in New York. “In an emergency,” Chin was to go to Manhattan and meet this priest “in the confessional of his Transfiguration Church in Chinatown.”

    Originally published in French in 2008, “Chinese Spies” was translated into English, from the updated fourth edition, by Natasha Lehrer. The book includes details on the extent of the casualties inflicted during the Tiananmen Square massacre. Over the years, the casualty numbers have fluctuated from several hundred to several thousand. Mr. Faligot quotes a telegram dated June 5, 1989—one day after the military began to clear the square—sent from the British ambassador in China to the U.K. Foreign Office, already acknowledging a “minimum estimate of civilian dead 10,000.”

    There are also stories about the fate of the dissidents after the massacre, and of those who dared to help them. One French intelligence officer told the author the Chinese services responded “with no compunction” against certain members of the Western community who were involved in opposition politics. In Hong Kong, Mr. Faligot reports, the wives of the Swiss, American and Mexican consuls all fell from tall buildings under mysterious circumstances.

    One expert tells the author that Hua Guofeng, the nominal leader after Mao Zedong ’s death in 1976, was in fact Mao’s biological son, and that Hua’s “inexplicable promotion to the rank of security minister and president” was the result of a secret clause in the late leader’s will. Another journalist shares with Mr. Faligot fresh revelations about the 1999 “accidental” American bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade—now exposed as a joint command post with the Serbians.

    With increasing tensions in the trade war between America and China, concerns about the future of democracy in Hong Kong, and the controversy surrounding Huawei’s 5G mobile networks, “Chinese Spies” is a very timely and important book. Given the pace of recent events, I hope it is fully updated again soon.

  152. We eat weird stuff if you think about it.

    What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    What is dairy? Secretion of certain reproductive glands, in various stages of decomposition.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    By contrast, that fake burger thing is merely a mixture of grains and legumes. Not clear why it would be any more disgusting than the things above.

  153. Eggs and tits are not reproductive organs.
    Grains and beans are.

  154. You’re trying to cover the issue in fatalism. And it is quite interesting that a lot of Russian men in this thread have defended these social norms where whoredom is celebrated/normalised

    These half-naked girls are just stupid (and in most cases ugly) girls trying to attract attention. If you make these girls wear long dresses, they won’t get any smarter. Again whoredom does not improve if this phenomenon is hidden under long clothes. Because of this, I do not understand why these half-naked girls should bother me? Rather, on the contrary such clothing is a marker of stupidity, so I know who to avoid.

  155. What is egg? Reproductive organ of a bird whose purpose is to contain embrios.

    Technically, an egg is a giant single-cell, with half the DNA required to be a normal cell, which the chicken sloughs off as rent.

    Europeans actually bred chickens to lay more eggs because of the old strictures of Lent, as it used to be practiced. So, modern chickens, partly have a built-in purpose to lay eggs for people to eat.

    And what is meat? Muscle tissue of dead animals, usually partly decomposed as well.

    Only makes me hungry, thinking about it.

  156. Thulean Friend says

    I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion. If you fully internalise this mindset, then it means that women have to be protected from men. It also infantalises women, robbing them of autonomy.

    My view is that women are complicated being in their own sense, and are not automatically victims in all circumstances. It is perfectly possible for ballet dancers to try gaining an upper hand in their profession by trying to use sex as an instrument to further their own career. They evidently tried that with Degas and to his great credit, his artistic instincts were far too strong to let inferior dancers try to sway him with carnal desires and allow those unworthy of attention a better career path. Of course this doesn’t fit squarely with your view of women as perpetual victims in all situations. In this regard you are quite similar to feminists.

    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.

  157. Only milk is somewhat unnatural (we are probably not fully adapted to consuming it), meat and eggs are things many animals regularly consume.

    The synthetic meat is highly processed food.

  158. It’s not especially permissiveness, but just where there is higher safety for women, they (i.e. exhibitionist subsection of the female population, which is not necessarily a majority) can attract attention without danger.

    In Russia, overall crime is higher than Western Europe, but the attitude for women is a comfortable one as in Western Europe.

    For example, Armenian woman I have heard personally, (not just because of the recent story) that she is happy she grew up in Russia, because the attitude for women is frightening for her in Armenia.

    Or you can see in Japan, where personal safety is very high, how women behave similarly. (On the other hand, in India, the Middle East, of Africa, half of people would likely be raped with clothes like this – in Japan the probability of being raped is maybe lower than strikes by lightening).

  159. anonymous coward says

    Again whoredom does not improve if this phenomenon is hidden under long clothes.

    Are you retarded? (Rhetorical question, don’t answer that.)

    Regardless of what morally lax and/or criminal people think, stopping their ability to act out on their impulses should be society’s paramount priority.

  160. I find it amusing that you seemingly share the same assumptions on women with the men you often detract; namely that women are not agents of their own actions and any sexual activities they engage in must necessarily be result of male coercion.

    I don’t think it’s necessarily a result of coercion, but rather desperation. When there are no minimum wage laws and no laws against sexual harrassment, you are going to get propositioned by lecherous old men with cash to spare, and you are most likely not going to feel at liberty to politely decline, especially if your whole family would be destitute without your income.

    It all depends on the balance of power between the two parties. If you want to be a prostitute, you can be a prostitute. If you want to be a ballet dancer, you can be a ballet dancer. You shouldn’t have to be a prostitute to be a ballet dancer.

    And dancing can be sexual, but is not inherently sexual. It depends what the dancers involved do.

    I disagree. Certainly, sexuality can be expressed through dance in more or less vulgar and crass ways, but the sexual expression is there all the same.

  161. Well at least, they did not have pole dancing class for children in your gym…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bA6hpbuqnw

  162. TF, it occurs to me that men might underestimate the revulsion women feel at the prospect of selling our bodies. If I am not mistaken, only like 5% of women have ever done it. We would rather: scrub toilets, wait tables, wipe old people’s behinds after they go to the bathroom, etc. Generally, only the utmost desperation will induce a woman to do this, generally drug addiction or siblings facing hunger or needing medical care they couldn’t otherwise afford.

    So yes, the assumption that duress was involved is actually very much warranted.

  163. Yes, kulaks of course, but also engineers, scientists, better military officers, nobles who had survived the early 20’s terror, people who had done well during NEP.

  164. Thorfinnsson says

    This is exaggerated, and of course it depends on the buyer and the amount in question. A woman might recoil at selling her body for $50, but for $5,000 she might feel differently. I doubt the hookers Charlie Sheen employed recoiled at the thought of having sex with him either, but the same hookers no doubt recoil at the thought of having sex with a homely, overweight, middle-aged nobody.

    Relatively few women become outright prostitutes, but a lot of women could be considered semi-pro hookers these days with things like Seeking Arrangement, Twitch streaming, Dubai girls, etc. There also appears to be no shortage of women stripping or working in pornography.

    More women would also be inclined to turn to outright prostitution if it were legal, safe, and guaranteed to be anonymous.

    The website Tag the Sponsor documents Dubai girls: http://tagthesponsor.com/home-page/

  165. Turkey, one of the most memorable

    What you describe, more of a memory of Arab/Middle Eastern tribal dancing (although in Islamic countries they will separate according to gender).

    A Middle Eastern culture shock of Israel, people are often randomly dancing in the street.

    If you remember when Trump has visited Saudi Arabia they make him dance in the original way of tribal people of this region.

    . Ballet at its apogee is one of the purest artforms I have ever had to pleasure to enjoy and it is far more sublime

    Ballet is trying to make human movement as unlike as possible to movement of the apes or the animals. So I agree it is apogee of a kind of sublimation.

    However, in terms of sexuality – in the 19th century, ballet was close to prostitution.

    Ballerinas that 19th century art (like Degas) has painted, are primarily attaining money as prostitutes or mistresses.

    https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc4NjgzNzc5NDA5NjMx/image-placeholder-title.jpg

  166. According to a history book I have read about Spain – in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.

  167. “Locked and loaded”. Will MBS order US to go to war with Iran?

  168. Has Yang ever mentioned automated weapons?

  169. I wonder if “ethnic” stuff in general might be a good fit here whether Russian, Chinese, Indian (bharatanatyam etc.) etc. . I don’t know if TBRS is in Russia, US, or somewhere else.

    Rhythmic gymnastics, though I knew nothing about it until ten minutes ago, certainly seems at first glance somewhat healthier and less hackle-raising than “regular” ladies’ gymnastics here in the US, and because it’s a less popular form of gymnastics in this country it’s probably also less competitively oriented.

  170. Slut shaming, ridicule and abuse of alcoholics, druggies, weirdos, obese slobs…

    Sluttery has become evolutionarily adaptive in the past century, as it was before the rise of agriculture. Not going to get far with it.

    Alcoholism and drug addiction are minor problems.

    We are all weirdos here, so where to even start.

    Fat shaming is the only thing on this list where (1) you’re not tilting against non-existing problems, (2) against your own interests, and (3) not coming off as a troglodyte.

    Problem is, they have a very strong lobby. Remember that Anglin was only kicked off the Internet when he made fun of that Heather woman.

  171. Thorfinnsson says

    Alcoholism has been a leading source of death for men in the FSU for decades, though things are now getting better. During the wild 90s it was apparently responsible for half of all deaths of Russians between 15 – 54.

    Drug addiction kills twice as many Americans annually as traffic fatalities.

    These are not minor problems. People are falling apart.

    Sluttery is evolutionarily adaptive today in that sluts get pregnant and resources to rear their bastards are provided by the state or the child support system. But it remains socially maladaptive. Sluts are shamed by other women, avoided by men with options, and single moms experience much more difficulty in finding decent partners. Step-fathers are also exponentially more likely to abuse children then actual fathers, and even adjusting for confounding factors children reared by single mothers experience all manner of worse life outcomes.

    Slut shaming of course probably shouldn’t be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It’s especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.

    I would however suggest that within our own circles we police each other and promote virtuous behavior. This will make us both more effective and more attractive to others.

  172. I doubt it’s any more processed than regular beef patties.

    And what’s with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is “highly processed” (as well as “genetically modified.”) This is especially true for meat.

  173. We shouldn’t forget that in his later years (after he wrote his best pieces) Tolstoy was a perfect example of “I am not opinionated, I am just always right”.

  174. Thorfinnsson says

    I doubt it’s any more processed than regular beef patties.

    Regular beef patties are just that–beef. The steer is slaughtered, skinned, and butchered. The patties are then ground and packaged. That’s it.

    Meanwhile here’s the ingredients list of a Beyond Meat patty:

    https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*_OANhrKC30LFEMiiO4GoqQ.jpeg

    Simply producing canola oil alone, even the expelled pressed variety, requires refining, filtering, bleaching, deodorizing, and steam distillation.

    And what’s with obsession with processed food? Almost everything humans have been eating for the last few millennia is “highly processed” (as well as “genetically modified.”) This is especially true for meat.

    Humans, almost uniquely, have evolved to partially pre-digest food through processing techniques. Most traditionally chopping and cooking.

    Thus the use of the term “processed” to mean bad or unhealthy is misleading. Lately I’ve been seeing a shift to the term “ultra-processed”, which is a bit better, but still misleading.

    A better term would be evolutionarily novel. Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity, degenerative disease, etc. So-called “vegetable oil”, of which canola oil is one, is a prime culprit.

  175. A third of middle-aged male deaths, but close enough. Much less of an issue now, not an issue in the West.

    The drugs that are an issue in the US are generally legal opioids. Not clear how to “shame” them. It’s the state that needs to crack down on it, but Kushner has other priorities.

    Sluttery as in sleeping around with lots of people is probably a social bad, but people on this thread are reducing it to wearing risque/revealing clothing. In any case, “trads” have completely failed on the demographics question. In any case I am with BAP on the WQ, it is the only practical course today.

    https://twitter.com/bronzeagemantis/status/1136842733010599936

  176. Thorfinnsson says

    Alcoholism isn’t an issue in the West on the level of the former Soviet Union, but it’s not a non-issue either. There’s a hard core of heavy drinkers in most countries which make up a majority of alcohol sales:

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-08-two-thirds-alcohol-sales-heavy-drinkers.html

    https://www.medicaldaily.com/top-10-us-drinkers-are-behind-more-half-nations-alcohol-sales-what-does-it-take-be-top-10-305262

    In order to make it into America’s top 10 percent of drinkers, you have to consume an average of 74 alcoholic drinks per week or about 10 drinks per day. “This works out to a little more than four and a half 750-ml bottles of Jack Daniels, 18 bottles of wine, or three 24-can cases of beer a week” The Post reported.

    In addition to the obvious medical problems, alcoholism has other social costs in the form of crime, lost productivity, domestic abuse, and accidents. These days problem drinkers are also likely to dabble in other drugs, often with fatal consequences.

    After drinking vodka, Klyuev crushed two of the pills with a battery and snorted the powder with a rolled-up sticky note, according to testimony. He started drifting in and out of sleep. He couldn’t stand up.

    He was found dead the next day, with fentanyl, alcohol and a substance associated with cocaine in his system.

    Ultimately, what kind of society do we want to create? What are the problems we’re seeking to solve? There are millions upon millions of people worldwide who are suffering, abusing themselves and others, crying out in pain, and killing themselves.

    There’s more to solving this problem that simply shaming people of course. But shame is a powerful social motivator, which is why websites publish police mugshots and extort cash payments from people to take them down.

  177. Many evolutionarily novel foods appear to be contributing to the global epidemic of insulin resistance, obesity

    If I recall, Jared Diamond thinks that the reason that whites are less susceptible to type II diabetes is recent evolution. Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it. People with early onset type II diabetes tended not to reproduce very well, so it changed the gene frequencies significantly. At least in theory, the rest of the world will go through the same transition, though modern medicine might alter the process somewhat.

    It is interesting that Diamond could have a viewpoint like that – relatively short term evolution – and still hold crazy ideas about Papua New Guineans being Übermenschen. Though, I believe he technically isn’t a globalist.

  178. Shaming is not very effective in a diverse society.

    Probably one of the main social problems of the West.

  179. I don’t understand why female behavior is discussed separately from male behavior. Every coin has two sides. When men behave like studs happy to screw as many as possible, sluts perfectly complement this behavior. Supply and demand always come into balance.

  180. German_reader says

    Perceive your ethnicity as one giant extended family

    Maybe that’s possible for someone from the Balkans like yourself, but it’s bizarre to frame it like that in Western Europe. When a large part of your “ethnicity” wants to see people like you socially destroyed for their views and openly states they prefer the most exotic foreigners, why treat such people as relatives?

  181. Relatively few women become outright prostitutes, but a lot of women could be considered semi-pro hookers these days with things like Seeking Arrangement, Twitch streaming, Dubai girls, etc.

    Even those women represent a very small minority, but whatever you need to tell yourself.

  182. According to a history book I have read about Spain – in 1950s Spain, there were more than 500,000 prostitutes in a country of only 28 million people.

    I would surmise that economic distress of some sort was behind it if that is true.

  183. Perhaps you can treat them like you’d treat a brother who wants to give your inheritance to some strangers and sides with them against the family.

  184. ….possible organizing. Try to get into personal contact with people who have a similar worldview.

    Do this VERY carefully. Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.

    …There might be a few more points..

    Learning how to defend yourself/people you care for. From situational awareness to court proceedings.

  185. Is Bronze Age Pervert gay? I get a strong impression he is.

  186. German_reader says

    Be aware that, should you go that road, the game gets on the NEXT level.

    Oh, it’s peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.
    Are you from some federal agency in the US?

  187. Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger’s parents thought he was gay for a time, when he first took an interest in body-building.

  188. Men without women would have zero motivation to get anything beyond their drinks and maybe toys like Playstations or at most sports cars, but most guys wouldn’t be much motivated to bother to work enough to get the latter. In general, unmarried (heterosexual) men are often unkempt and live in dirty apartments with very unhealthy habits, like staying up late at night and similar.

    Dumb.

    One of the best men I’ve met, true Alphas, real S.A.S. types, were unmarried men.
    Iron self-discipline, smart, decent jobs/careers, realistic look at the world. Self-reliant. Into adventure and combat sports, hunting, hiking etc.
    Hehe…you should walk a bit out of a big cosmopolitan area and see what kind of men live there.

  189. I have known people into body building who were not gay. Their obsession with diet and muscles had a lot in common with nerds or guys who are into cars. Bronze Age Pervert does not strike me as that sort of guy at all.

  190. Oh, it’s peterAUS again with his insinuations about getting weapons and preparing for the coming race war.

    Not exactly, but your types simply can’t get what I try to say. Don’t worry about it.

    Are you from some federal agency in the US?

    Whoever feels that “educating” and “voting” won’t make much difference must be.
    It’s O.K. to be soft and scared. For your types, that is.

    I suggest putting me on the ignore list.
    You just got on mine. Saves time.

  191. German_reader says

    It’s O.K. to be soft and scared. For your types, that is.

    That’s not the point. The point is that anybody who seriously entertains such thoughts and writes about them on the internet (on a public site at that), is a fucking moron. Or has some other agenda.

  192. Slut shaming of course probably shouldn’t be a top political priority in the near term to say the least. It’s especially not productive to get into feuds with women about what constitutes acceptable female behavior.

    I don’t like shaming. It’s a crude and primitive method of social control. If “sluttery” is indeed socially harmful, then it should be a crime, with all the protections for the accused that entails: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the right to confront and cross-examine witnesses against you, a jury of your peers, etc.

  193. Kent Nationalist says

    Supposedly, his penchant for muscle pics represents a plutonic admiration for strength.

    Then why are the pictures always of handsome men with low body fat flexing instead of actual feats of strength?

  194. Were they gay? It’d be odd, since gay men are usually not interested in such activities. Only heterosexual men. It almost appears as if heterosexual guys might not be totally indifferent to the fact that chicks often dig independent special forces guys.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it? I’m not saying that was their proximate motivation, but the fact that gays are rarely into being special forces might suggest some connection between heterosexual proclivities (i.e. The Ladies) and motivation.

  195. Shaming is actually appropriate for things which would be difficult to regulate legally. I don’t think the sex lives of people should be regulated to the minute details by law, it’d even be difficult, and prohibitively expensive to enforce with finding evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

    It’s much easier to simply shame slutty behavior (and its male counterparts).

  196. Thorfinnsson says

    This is simple enough–make fornication and adultery criminal offenses.

  197. The phrase “Bronze Age pervert” is essentially UR-slang for “gay Jew”, though it’s probably not intended that way.

  198. It might be okay longer term. But certainly not as a short term program. Before you can introduce it you need society to already hold those values, i.e. shaming.

  199. Guessing beach pics facilitate the meme of Tropical Hyperborea.

    Essentially, it is more idiosyncratic, and therefore memorable. Plus, it is kind of subversive because it suggests reversing the current world order, and the ice people conquering the sun people’s lands. You can’t really do that with pics of caber tossing.

    But maybe I shouldn’t be commenting about him because I’ve honestly never read his stuff.

  200. Gyms don’t offer any dance classes that don’t reflect the (((popular culture)))

    I think “adult ballet” (i.e., ballet classes for non-professional novice adults) is a trendy thing; I’ve met women who do it. But different programs market to different demographics: the more high-toned forms of dancing (ballet, ballroom) will be enjoyed more by more affluent/educated women (those with successful careers, advance degrees etc), whereas the pole dancing/twerking will be more for proletarian lower-IQ types. Nothing new here; proles have always been more overtly sexual than the upper classes.

  201. It’s much easier to simply shame slutty behavior (and its male counterparts).

    Come now, you and I both know it won’t work out that way.

    I don’t think the sex lives of people should be regulated to the minute details by law, it’d even be difficult, and prohibitively expensive to enforce with finding evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

    So what? The effect would be to demoralize promiscuity, reducing it to the status of homosexuality before Bowers v. Hardwicke. At a minimum, everyone would have to keep their mouths shut.

  202. Were they gay?

    No.

    Did any of them have any problems finding ladies, whenever they felt like it?

    You know any man, save Brad Pitt types, who can “find ladies” whenever they feel it?!
    Whenever? Really?

    Besides, my reply was related to “unmarried men”. I guess there is a distinction between a man who is not married and those you, apparently, think about.

    A race-conscious White male getting married, in this paradigm….that feels prudent to you?
    Hehe….that movie “Nice guys”, “marriage is about buying a house to somebody you hate”.

    My feeling, for the young White married males, today, is…they are, mostly “well-adjusted betas”.
    Those unmarried are, how to put it, a good material to work with. Even speak with.

  203. Societies have been more or less repressive of female sexuality at varying times. Prostitution, for example, was probably more tolerated in most European countries circa 1700 than it is in the US today. Whether men exerted more control over female behavior at other points in history…probably they did? Or maybe not. Our knowledge of social norms in past eras is sketchy and mostly confined to the upper classes. My guess is they were more repressive in some respects, less repressive in others.

    A young woman’s sexuality is (mostly) an asset for her, and young women will realize this naturally, without any outside help. It is a weapon, and like any weapon the trick is to use it in the right place at the right time. Women have been trying to show off their sexualities in various ways since before man was man. We are animals: girl and boy are turned on by each other, they screw and make babies. Nothing complicated about it. No Jewish conspiracy required.

  204. Where is all this slutty behavior? In the US our white birth rates are well below replacement and there is a general trend amongst younger people towards fewer sexual partners, fewer sexual experiences, just less sex overall. This isn’t the 1970s. Promiscuity has many downsides but I’d still probably prefer it to the nation of atomized internet addicts we are rapidly becoming.

  205. Speaking of “beta” etc. my experience:

    I’ve trained a couple of young guys in self-defense (or so I say….hehe….). Proper self-defense I’d say (yes, I know…). It was a good setup; they were keen, hard-working, the usual.
    They were not in a serious relationship with an opposite-sex at the time

    Hehehe….then, they got girls.

    Girls started having a problem with that…ahm…”thing”. Haha…the guys quit.
    Understandable.

    What could be interesting here is my observation that the girls didn’t actually mind the cuts/bruises, not even the time spent away from them. No. They didn’t much appreciate the attitude.
    Make of that what you will.

  206. You don’t need a central court system to punish thots lol.

    Just a culture and state that looks the other way when an actual man tells some bitch to put some clothes on.

  207. Food preparation in primitive societies could be quite elaborate, too.

    Evolutionary novel? Nah. It can’t be that novel if we can digest it. Our body breaks down food into few very basic elements, which it then uses as building blocks to build itself or for energy. All proteins are broken down into few simple amino acids, all carbs into glucose, etc. Does it matter what structure food had before it got broken down? Highly unlikely. In any case, I haven’t seen any definite proof of it, only feelz.

  208. Combination of economic and political disasters.

    I have read much higher proportion of women in Spain had worked as a prostitute at some time moment in their life by the 1950s decade, when I read a history book of Spain which was written in Spanish.

    However, here is from one history book written in English.

    For all of its restrictions on social life and lifestyles, the Franco regime tolerated prostitution for many years. Ironically, the argument used to justify the maintenance of brothels was a moral one: to preserve the purity of honorable Spanish girls, their fiancées had to have a sexual outlet to avoid pressuring their prospective brides into compromising situations.

    Prostitution rose to epidemic proportions in the immediate postwar period, as widows, single mothers, and working-class women had few other options to avoid starvation for themselves and their families. By some estimates, as many as half a million families lacked a father or husband in the home, due to imprisonment, exile, or deaths during the civil war and the repression that followed. Indeed, the state estimated that more than 75 percent of women involved in prostitution engaged in the practice because of economic desperation, while another 15 percent had been abandoned by the fathers of their children and therefore lacked respectable alternatives. Only 10 percent were prostitutes because they preferred a life of “vice and degeneration” over more accepted alternatives.

    There were more than one thousand officially tolerated brothels in the 1940s, with thousands more sex workers operating outside of government supervision. One newspaper calculated that there were as many as twenty thousand prostitutes in Barcelona alone. As a result of this tolerance, sexually transmitted diseases increased to epidemic proportions, constituting more than one-third of illnesses recorded by soldiers in 1940. The church’s resistance to contraception, including condoms, likely contributed to the dramatic rise in these afflictions.

    Many of the prostitutes came to the profession because of their political background, or that of their husbands. Repression after 1939 was severe on men and women who had identified with the Republic, whether as members of leftist political parties, or even as spouses of activists in the Communist, anarchist, or Socialist parties. The regime banned many of these women from gainful employment, and as many were separated from their husbands through exile or imprisonment, they had few options other than black market activities or prostitution. The Nationalists already regarded feminist and pro-Republican women as “degenerate” and “ugly” for their public demonstrations for radical social change during the civil war and perhaps felt little pity after the conflict for those forced into this kind of tragic life… From the beginning of the postwar period, the Catholic Church supported a prohibition on prostitution, but only in the mid-1950s did the government ban the practice. The final decision came only after a visit by the U.S. cardinal, Francis Spellman, who convinced Franco in 1956 that such a ban would improve Spain’s international reputation.

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  209. I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason. Should be the law that:

    1.) Any healthy observer is required to kick the butt of anyone with their pants purposefully falling down
    2.) You need a certain BMI index to be allowed to dress like a slut, and there is a hard age limit
    3.) Anyone wearing a Che shirt should be sent to a 24 hour re-education camp

  210. I was hyperbolic with “whenever” and you know it.

    So, were these guys shunned by the ladies? (Again, a hyperbole. You know what I mean. Especially relative to their wealth, or lack thereof, chicks probably dig these guys.)

  211. Thorfinnsson says

    Nutrient composition and frequency of feeding are both novel.

  212. Possible.

    Anyway. The guys had the attitude while they didn’t have the girls. The girls appeared, and the guys suddenly realized having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly.)

    Would the girls have liked them if they didn’t have the attitude in the first place? We’ll never know. It might be the guy doing overtime, making lots of money, getting a wife, and then wifey demanding to stop working overtime. Would she have married him if he never did overtime in the first place?

    I still feel the connection how gay guys are rarely interested in such things.

  213. You are very wrong, but it’s okay.

  214. It’s true.

    White women are especially bad at this but it applies to others. Basic bitches (like Rosie) in general tbh,

    There are love songs where the girl is caught between loving the Thug but also wanting him to stop engaging in the violent environment.

    Men love violence that’s really all there is.
    This is also why I’d rather marry a less attractive girl who is okay with the Warrior stuff both personally and socially.

    You need a Warrior religion.

  215. Interesting questions.
    Wording too.

    …shunned by the ladies….chicks probably dig ….Anyway….

    ….having girls was more important than the self-defense classes. (Best self-defense is situational awareness and avoiding bad places, also knowing when to leave and then proceeding to do so quickly

    How about a question for you:
    9 P.M. in a shopping center parking. You are loading stuff in your car. A car parks by. “Thump”…a driver just hit, hard, with his door, your car. An average looking guy. One guy.
    You try to complain. He says”fuck off” and starts towards you. 2 seconds to close the gap.

    Ever thought about it?
    If no let’s move on.

    If yes: what….do…you….do?

  216. Obviously, should wear the clothes they like, to the extent the don’t want to disappoint the local norms.

    On general topic of aesthetic norms of a society. Everything has costs and benefits.

    A very aesthetic society like Italy, looks beautiful from outside. But it is slightly oppressive to live with the social norm to iron your clothes, polish your shoes every morning, and buy a new shirt everytime you mess up with spaghetti. It adds a layer of stress and extra work, to live in an aesthetic society.

    On the other hand, an unpretentious, nonaesthetic society, where women do not care about wearing makeup, you can go to the office in your pajamas, and you can have muddy shoes and tomato stains on your clothes – seems much more preferable and refreshing from a viewpoint of personal comfort. But then you have to pay the cost that the population will appear shabby, and outsiders will laugh a bit at your appearance.

  217. They dig them but at the same time relationships can be difficult.

    The guys probably orient towards being experts in the Warrior topics and not much else.

    We may think hunting, fishing, shooting camping are separate topics but to basic bitches they’re not.

    The men are caught between trying to cultivate interests they give no fucks about or handling the fact that the general public doesn’t ascribe any social status to knowledge & breadth in these subjects.

    There’s no shortage of ‘hot’ guys so social compatibility is another filter used.

    Knowing Drake’s cock size gets you further with the latest than zeroing a scope blindfolded.

    You just get to a point where you don’t need to worry because you know you’re a top tier man and so does she. You don’t need to prove shit to the horde of teenage girls,

    You need a smart woman anyway because she’ll be raising the kids after you go to speak with Tengri in Uchmak.

  218. That’s true. For most of human history most people lacked basic nutrients and frequency of feeding was often low enough to starve to death. I rather like novelty.

  219. Men are able to survive by their own violence.

    Woman’s nature is of subservience due to her very biology.

    Therefore women are always property and always regulated or heavily influenced into following trends.

    This personality trait is called agreeableness.

    Don’t bring up Amazons because that is from my tribe in ancient times & Singh is hunting Afghan rapists is our modern/contemporary heritage.

    If you can’t assert yourself over women you don’t deserve to have them around.

    Rosie is just there to ruin the fun and gain attention.

  220. For most of human history you hunted wild animals and fought other men bare chested.

  221. Thorfinnsson says
  222. An acquaintance of mine, nice middle-class White guy, got hospitalized a several months ago. Surgery.
    Awaiting for more surgeries. Reconstruction type. Facial.

    A younger man than me. Stronger too. But nice. Well-adjusted, that is.

    Details (customized a bit for obvious reasons):
    He and his wife went for a nice stroll along a river. Parked in the usual, safe, place. Walked, came back and found a guy sitting on their bonnet, drinking beer. The man simply complained. The other guy…reacted….
    Worse, the acquaintance of mine didn’t register that man’s accomplice, who blindsided him from behind. True, other “strollers” did jump to help. Too late. 30 seconds “action”, not longer.

    Perpetrators fled.
    Police came.
    Hospital time.

    Oh, BTW, still nothing on the legal front re the perpetrators.

    Don’t think the man learnt the lesson, though.

    Understandable.

  223. I thought about similar situations with Gypsies. Apologize and cut your losses. You have a normal life. He doesn’t care about prison, and having a long prison term only means prestige for him. Even if you beat him you can get into trouble; or he might want to get revenge, so he’ll come back and stab you from the back. He won’t care that it’s a cowardly way of defeating someone, in his mind it’ll be victory.

    In your situation the aggressive guy probably has less to lose. Normal people aren’t that aggressive. He’s either on drugs or just a psycho who will go to jail soon; it’s best if for beating up someone else. Again, even if you beat him you’ll get into trouble. Or he might want a revenge.

    I probably wouldn’t scratch his car after he’s gone, but that’s also an option.

    That’s the theory. When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.

  224. Your situation also sucks because no average looking or anyone period is going to do that.

    Hahahaha….”anyone period”? Do what? Smash you into the ground because he is simply looking for a fight? Hahaha……..
    Warrior a?
    Oh my.

    You guys really have to go out more.

  225. Thank you for the honest answer.
    Especially:

    ….When you only have two seconds, you might do something dumb like engaging in physical confrontation. But you really shouldn’t.

    Moving on.

  226. Gypsies are often not very big. They are tough, but not very courageous either. In an honest fist fight you have a chance against most of them. Or so you think. But it will never be an honest fight. To them, fairness is not manly. They don’t care about a fair fight. They care about winning. So they will use a knife, and in a cowardly way, like from behind, when you no longer pay attention, believing to have won your altercation.

  227. German_reader says

    No point in arguing with PeterAUS and his Australian tough guy act, he’s already decided we’re all wimps here anyway.
    I agree with you, if one has a bourgeois life, one is of course always at a disadvantage against antisocial, violence-prone elements. It’s silly to believe that this reality could be mitigated by self-defense or other individual measures. The goal must be to change the system (especially the judicial system), so that crime-prone individuals and groups are eliminated from society or terrorized into better behaviour.

  228. You can’t terrorize them into better behavior. You can either lock them up for life, or kill on the spot. It’s like with mad dog: shoot first, ask questions later.

  229. Thorfinnsson says

    PeterAUS is perhaps being a bit silly in this thread, but it’s certainly true that you can’t always rely on the state to protect you–especially these days.

    Taking precautions to protect yourself and loved ones is sensible and responsible.

    The most important thing of course is situational awareness. If you can avoid a bad situation in the first place, or get out of it, that’s best. But you can’t be sure of that, so being prepared to defend yourself is useful.

    That of course doesn’t mean you should go out spoiling for a fight or fantasize about yourself as some kind of a tough guy, even if you are tough.

    Lift weights, maintain awareness of your surroundings, avoid groups of young men (especially but not exclusively vibrants), don’t get drunk in public, don’t run your mouth, practice basic self-defense techniques, and if needed carry a weapon. And that doesn’t necessarily mean a firearm or a knife (though it could). Something as simple as a tactical flashlight is very useful.

  230. I think it is kind of interesting to see the clothes women pick for themselves. To a certain degree, fashions that show more skin are pushed on them, but there is still some room for modesty.

    Tattoos on women are disgusting, but perhaps have important signaling value.

    One of the downsides of relaxed social norms on clothing is the globalization of clothes. For instance, the high penetration of English words on clothes, even to the ends of the Earth, or people making fun of others for not having the top American brand of jeans.

  231. Ironically, the argument used to justify the maintenance of brothels was a moral one: to preserve the purity of honorable Spanish girls, their fiancées had to have a sexual outlet to avoid pressuring their prospective brides into compromising situations.

    Yes, indeed. There has always been a stench of hypocrisy surrounding prostitution.

    Some must be dehumanized and degraded so that others may be elevated.

  232. German_reader says

    but it’s certainly true that you can’t always rely on the state to protect you–especially these days.

    Sure, but look at PeterAUS’ post (229) about his acquaintance who was hospitalized…what exactly should the guy have done in this situation? Preemptively attack the guy who was sitting on his car, because he might get violent? Even if you manage to overpower your opponent in that situation (and what if he has a knife and uses it?), it’s you who is the aggressor in the eyes of the law. And unlike some antisocial scum you’ve got your bourgeois life to lose. Over a situation that might possibly not have turned violent at all.
    A willingness to use violence if absolutely necessary (and the ability for it) is certainly something that should be cultivated in men, but PeterAUS’ posturing is silly imo.

  233. I guess I am kind of a libertarian on clothes, within certain reason.

    There has only been one thing that has ever really bothered me: Girls with their bathing suits literally up their ass at a family pool where children are playing. Thankfully, I haven’t seen this very often.

  234. Thorfinnsson says

    I think that scenario is rather unlikely–let’s just say it’s bad luck.

    PeterAUS can speak for himself, but I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn’t have come off so badly.

    As to what you should do in that situation, I would suggest before doing anything else that you take a photograph. If the person is menacing or has the possibility to be, perhaps just leave and come back. The hood of your car is already scratched after all and won’t repair itself just because you tell the guy off or kick his ass (or get yourself beaten to a pulp).

    You’re also not going to lose your bourgeois life over battery charges. Most bourgeois people overestimate how punitive the criminal justice system is, and they also overestimate how much other people care about you having a criminal record.

    I agree that his posturing is silly.

  235. My favorite place to take a dip are rural ponds and lakes. I don’t want to sound like a misanthrope, but it really is nice not having anyone around (usually.)

  236. . Essentially, Europeans were exposed to a greater abundance of food due to their more developed trade networks and the Columbian exchange, plus the Industrial Revolution, and the earlier changes that preceded it.

    There were still frequent episodes of starvation up till the latter part of the 19th century in Europe.

    That’s really rapid evolution!

  237. If Diamond’s right, it must have been a pretty big reproductive advantage.

    Still, I’m not sure. He had that theory like 13 years ago or more. And there’s been a lot of archaeogenetics since then. Should probably be testable by now, although it has a complicated genetic basis.

    One thing is for certain: susceptibilities to diabetes (type II) vary greatly, and Europeans don’t seem to be very susceptible, at least on a comparative basis. When they do get it, they are usually old and not young.

  238. globalization of clothes

    There’s still huge diversity between clothes cultures of different countries – if not in actual style or material of clothes, then in terms of standards and effort.

    Italy is extreme, aesthetic culture. For man in Italian culture, I believe (at least as how they look), still is expected to wear a clean suit to work without tomato stains, or to polish their shoes before they see their mama. And then they also are supposed to change their style for different situations – so wearing nikes is for going to the cafe, but not for expensive restaurant, etc.

    The opposite extreme nonaesthetic culture is Israel, which has aesthetic norms of third world peasants, where both sexes can walk in the street wearing pajamas, women often do not wear make up, do not care how they look, and people can go to the office with dirty shoes, do not have to shave, and, in general, the messier the appearance, the more you will look like a native.

    Intermediate is something like Russia or England, where there is general expectation and pressure for women to care about appearance, but not so much for men.

    Italian social obsession with aesthetics, results in attractive clothed people, and can be viewed as a higher form of civilization. On the other hand, it would surely be stressful to live in such a culture, adding additional work to your life.

    Even in startup events in Italy, people are wearing clean clothes and carefully groomed beards and girls all covered with makeup. Lol this stylish and carefully groom nerds – only in Italy.

    people making fun of others for not having the top American brand of jeans.

    Levis are just a good quality and well designed product, where people buy it not for fashion, but because of function.

    The fucked thing, is why they cost double the price outside America than inside.

  239. Very interesting. From the little that I’ve have seen, it’s still easy to decipher that this guy is not a Russian “expert”. Apart from the clear anti-Russian stance it was the ridiculous use of Russian words of obvious English origin that this cretin was using to make him sound as if he was an expert in Russian!

    You know, like ” the Russians have this word for spreading dubious theories….. they call it дезинформация” – utterly ridiculous nonsense like that

  240. I guess the Russian TV audience is as feminised as in the US.

    Probably more gays/extremely camp people on Russian tv, than there is on US tv.

  241. And it is utterly amazing how South African expats who have had friends raped and killed, who say they are never going back, and are vocally grim on the country’s prospects, often repeat mainline rhetoric about discrimination being wrong, or even Orania being wrong. Or the Boers being racists.

    From what I have seen from my friends there, this applies just as much to the Indian population who have emigrated from South Africa, as it does to the white population. They say the exact same things. I would even guess that White-African intermarriage in South Africa is less rare than Indian-African.

    Many, many South African Indians are in UK, US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand ( i.e the exact same places that most of the white South Africans have emigrated to). Apart from some of those of Huguenot heritage going to France, none of the White South Africans have emigrated to Holland or continental Europe

    but despite all this, the white population in South Africa is still very stable in the years since the change of power…..compare that to a shithole like Ukraine.

  242. ….I assume his point was that if his friend had been tougher there either would have been no assault or he wouldn’t have come off so badly..

    Correct assumption.
    Not a friend, though; acquaintance.

    As for the rest of related blather here it’s good to see most of the people in this pub having no clue about the ritual of violence.
    Last time they faced something like that was, like..never. But they read about it.

    Just funny.

  243. you are sexually desensitized by explicit pornography

    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

    Perhaps due to his being a Swede, TF did not take offense but you might have gotten a different reaction.

    I any case, I really don’t know what some guys here are on about. It’s not that many women act slutty because we men “allow” them to. It’s that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn’t affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

  244. Mark Galeotti has carried on like a troll, under the guise of an academic:

    https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/553627966841044993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E553628466990821378&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fakarlin%2Fopen-thread-89%2F

    In the instance Galeotti is referring to, he wasn’t called a “Russophobe” (I tend not to use that word.) See:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/09/deconstructing-establishment-kremlinology/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/13012015-enigmatic-russia-detractors-analysis/

    Like a troll, Galeotti sidesteps my detailed remarks concerning his comments which I accurately presented. The John Helmer piece I linked further up this thread notes how Galeotti gets a fairly prime appointment (NYU et al) , only to then reappear somewhere else.

    According to Helmer, Galeotti had ties to the Brit Communist James Klugman, who framed pro-Tito/anti-Mihailovic propaganda.

    At present, Galeotti appears more likely to get on RT, when compared to Mark Sleboda, Helmer and yours truly.

    Galeotti’s recent take on RT:

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/09/02/why-i-talked-to-rt-a67100

    From a few years back a different POV on that station:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/29122014-with-room-for-improvement-rt-gives-time-to-diverse-views-analysis/

  245. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    That is a harsh thing to tell a man, Rosie. Did you really mean what you said?

    Rosie is a typical woman that is incapable of proper and serious thought. She’s also clearly showed herself to be quite a female svidomist (that term sounds cooler than Feminist imo).

    I any case, I really don’t know what some guys here are on about. It’s not that many women act slutty because we men “allow” them to. It’s that we gladly welcome those behaviors. And if they didn’t affect our daughters and wives, we would be even more enthusiastic about them. When in the history of humanity have men got as much sex as they desired?

    The part where some men have welcomed this, especially with the start of the Sexual Revolution in the USA from the 1960’s and onward is true.

    However, you are wrong when you imply that men are getting lots of sex now. Young people, and especially men are now actually having less sex than ever. Just take a look at the statistics:

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?noredirect=on

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

    Where do you think all the incels are coming from? Where do you think incel shooters like Elliot Roger come from?

    You’ve failed to understand the dynamics of sexual relationships between men and women on a large scale.

    Ideally, for one man, being able to fertilize as many women as possible with his seed is what is desirable on a primitive biological level as this is the most reliable way for a man to secure the continuation of his genetic legacy. A man can run into all sorts of problems with this, as until modern times and the availability of the appropriate technology, doubt always existed as to which man’s seed that a given baby would be a product of.

    However, for a woman, when she is fertilized by a man, there is obviously no problem as to whether her genetic legacy has been continued onto a child she gives birth to. This obviously suggests different mating strategies between men and women. For women the issue involves getting access to the highest possible quality male seed while also making sure that a given man will commit by giving her his resources, security, attention and whatever so she can raise the offspring smoothly. However, to do this, women do not have to necessarily commit to one man to do this, instead they can cuckold a man they have found to deceive and take his resources under the illusion that the woman is raising his seed. In other cases, some men are so pathetic that they volunteer to give their resources and attention to single mothers who freely spend their time searching to be fertilized by the highest quality possible Alpha seed. Most people are not entirely conscious of this, but these are the basic natural instincts that drive their sexual behaviors.

    This is why a society cannot function when sexual access and reproduction are made upon the basis of female mating preferences. In order for a society to function, women must be made to settle for men that are roughly at their level of quality. That is, in terms of the typical rating of women from 1-10, men can also be rated the same, so whatever a woman’s number, she must settle for a man with the same number. At least, this is normal, healthy and ensures societal functioning. Instead, what exists since the “sexual liberation” is that women are all allowed without any restraint to pursue a small amount of high quality/status men, “Chads”, while deciding to ignore all the other men because they can and have the freedom to do so.

    As for what makes some men “Chads” or “Alpha” in the eyes of women while other men are either ignored or considered to be “Beta”, is another matter. This dynamic and reality is best explained in Roger F Devlin’s book, Sexual Utopia in Power. Unless anyone is interested in buying it (I believe the author has given his permission for the free download place?), here is a place where a free PDF download of it can be obtained:

    https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf

    I’ve done my best to explain this in brief, but breaking the illusion that men get sexual access to women by being “nice”, white knighting for women and coddling them with large amounts of their resources and attention is vital. It is vital because it helps men personally understand how best to engage in sexual mating or long term family formation with women but also it helps those who want to change society and increase birthrates. It is with good reason that I am dead serious about abolishing higher education for women and the importance of women needing to become the private property of men. When I came across this realization recently, my life has changed for the better.

  246. TheTotallyAnonymous says
  247. Excellent take down of Meghan McCain, Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg:

    Pamela Anderson is no dumb blonde.

  248. I think his point was that someone sitting on the hood of your car is actually looking for a fight. When noticing it, you should immediately be aware that the guy is pretty likely looking for an excuse to attack you. It’s also possible he’s not alone. So he should’ve been prepared for the attack and for the other attacker, and either avoided the situation altogether (just wait for them to leave from a distance), or been ready for a fight against both.

    That much is part of the situational awareness. It still doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t avoid a fight with such a low class element, because you absolutely should. Taking a picture might be a good idea, for example I once pretty foolishly took a photo of a smoking black Muslim in France onboard a train in a Paris suburb with a vibrant population (we took the wrong train), and he noticed and started talking in French, but didn’t attack. (I cannot stress enough that I shouldn’t have done anything: it’s not like I prevented the smoking or anything.)

  249. I guess you can now go report to your bosses that we didn’t take your bait and won’t commit acts of violence. As you have guessed correctly, we have never even thought of killing anything more dangerous than a hornet, and it’s unlikely to change. We’re not 20, after all.

  250. The problem is that traditional family-centered societies tend to end in a cul-de-sac. More and more virtue leads to a natural counter-reaction. I don’t defend it and it is not fatalism, we just need to be aware that dynamic exists.

    I am not quite sure why it is, but it always seems to happen over time. It happens when prosperity rises (Sweden in the 70’s-90′, or Canada), but it also happens when societies are economically collapsing (Russia in the 90’s or Weimar Germany).

    I would like a society where families with children are heavily preferred, divorce is limited, and abnormal behaviors are pushed to the margins. But we had societies like that and they turned out to be unstable. One of the side effects of many traditional societies is men behaving badly. It has certain appeal to me, but let’s not fool ourselves, that is also very destructive.

  251. Violence is my religion.

  252. You’re a fucking christcuck don’t you dare talk about Warriorship LOL!

  253. This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter “incel” (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

  254. I would like a society where families with children are heavily preferred, divorce is limited, and abnormal behaviors are pushed to the margins. But we had societies like that and they turned out to be unstable

    They were stable for over a thousand years. In terms of social norms and customs, “Christendom” probably stabilized around 700, and became unstable in the 18th century (on a societal level the disease started in France, then spread from there).

  255. You’re a christcuck Khohol who’s ready to stab his fellow Saka Slav in the back for some Anglo Shekels.

    You don’t get to make fun of the brave Serbs while you sit in America funding Zog to make Bns impregnate other species.

    You literally have less money as a country than Pajeets now. Go hang out in a corner with Moldova & Afghanistan as the armpit & bumhole of Eurasia.

    Liberals have Darth Mol
    Christcucks have Simon Mol

    LOLOLOL

    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1085552242512412672

    What shame & despicablility have you brought to our race??

    Do you ever think when you bow in front of the jew what he has ever brought to you??

    We were once rulers of this earth, and today men made of brittle mud with foreign ways make bids upon our women and motherland.

    SHAME ON YOU HOHOL

  256. Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians. I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

    Are you from India? That would be very funny but not surprising.

    Ukraine competes with Belarus as being the whitest country in the world. Is that why you hate it?

  257. When Europeans were Christians they were the most formidable warriors in history, conquering almost the entire world. Does this hurt you?

  258. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    This is what happens when peasants are forced to become literate as they get uprooted. Minds get filled with nonsense.

    You needed to stay in your Balkan village where your family and priest would have helped you find a suitable mate and with her encouragement you would just do honest work and live a decent life instead of becoming some sort of bitter “incel” (?) causing trouble for yourself and hopefully not anyone else in whatever Western country was foolish enough to let you in.

    You took the incel and Saint Elliot part too seriously lol. Maybe I should’ve clarified that I was just joking with Rodger Eliot. Still, if you bothered to read the pdf I linked with Roger F Devlin, you would see that what I was writing about had serious value. In this way, you are only showing your seething contempt for me without bothering to seriously analyze the content of my words or the potential merits behind them.

    As for me being a poor and troublesome “Balkanoid” emigrant, I should clarify that the decision on emigration was not my choice since I was too young to decide about it at the time. Anyway, if my presence as a “Balkanoid” in whatever Western country bothers you so much, maybe I should start up a “Poor Balkanoid Fund” on Paypal or Patreon where you and Thorfinsson can donate money to have this “Balkanoid” leave the West for his place of origin, since my presence here is bothersome for you guys. After all, Thorfinsson is apparently some kind of factory owner, meaning that if anyone could contribute to “Balkanoid” repatriation, it would be him.

  259. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.

    Albanians don’t speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of “Balkanoid” compared to Serbs. The proper name of Albanians is Shiptars, or Shqiptars, by the way.

    I felt sorry for them when Kosovo was stolen from them

    Cool, thanks.

    but historically they have caused a lot of evil to Europeans.

    Would you care to explain how? That is, in any form beyond your WW1 historical revisionism.

  260. Daniel Chieh says

    Upvoted for Powerful Truths.

  261. Serbs aren’t Slavs, but Slavic-speaking Balkan people, like Albanians.

    Albanians don’t speak any form of Slavic language and qualify as a significantly different form of “Balkanoid” compared to Serbs.

    Okay, the lack of clarity was my fault.

    Serbs are Balkan people, like Albanians, but unlike Albanians they have been “Slavicized” linguistically. Culturally, only to an extent.

    To be even more precise: Serbs are about 25% Slavic by descent, and speak a Slavic language and share religion with Eastern Slavs (but not Western Slavs). Serb relationship to Slavs is analogous to African-American relationship with Europeans. African-Americans are about 20% European by descent, speak a European language and have a European religion. So if Albanians are Congolese or Nigerians, Serbs are African-Americans.

    When America resettled African-Americans in Africa they took over the pure Africans, treated them like slaves, and created a quasi-American state, Liberia (the African-Americans were more civilized after all). In comparison to Albania, Serbia is kind of like a “Slavic” Liberia in the Balkans.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americo-Liberians

  262. Conquering a bunch of stone age tribes and then helping save the Turks from destruction.

    Does the Anglo cock taste good Khohol?

  263. Nigga, what hurts me is you haven’t made Slaves of everyone past Berlin yet.

    Why the fuck did you stop?

    What hurts me is that a single Turk takes breath on this Earth.

    Men looking Pasty is feminine do you think I care that you can make piss water out of Potatoes or let an Anglo fuck your wife for E-Fame Khohol?

  264. German_reader says

    Maybe I should’ve clarified that I was just joking with Rodger Eliot.

    It’s not that funny since he really did kill several people (some of them in an exceedingly brutal and personal manner, he bludgeoned his Chinese roommates to death with a hammer).
    And when one watches his videos (which would be unintentionally hilarious with their excessive self-pity, if one didn’t know the context), it’s pretty clear that he had a major personality disorder of the narcissist kind. I don’t think the guy was in any sense a victim of society or of women, he just wasn’t quite right in the head. Maybe there are factors in modern society like general atomization or increasing use of antidepressants which increase the likelihood of something like this. But blaming it on the sexual behaviour of women is rather misguided imo, as is the incel movement in general.

  265. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Okay, the lack of clarity was my fault.

    All good.

    When America resettled African-Americans in Africa they took over the pure Africans, treated them like slaves, and created a quasi-American state, Liberia (the African-Americans were more civilized after all). In comparison to Albania, Serbia is kind of like a “Slavic” Liberia in the Balkans.

    Unfortunately for you, there are a few basic facts that completely shatter this falsehood you have imagined. That is, Medieval Serbia under the Nemanjic Dynasty. Especially in the first half of the 14th century. The Serbian Nemanjic Dynasty were the first elites on the European content to eat with forks, knives and spoons compared to the Western Euros you worship. Early 14th century Serbia also had it’s capital cities located in Raska and Novo Brdo in Kosovo that were extremely wealthy in minerals. The population of Raska and Novo Brdo (this one is unfortunately infested with Shiptars today since it is on Kosovo), though only into a few tens of thousands of people, was just as large, if not even more so, than their medieval equivalents in London and Paris. Serbia also had tracts of fertile agricultural land, with wine being one of the most notable exports of Medieval Serbia. Medieval Serbia also had one of the strongest armies in Europe with well renowned knights and heavy cavalry as it managed to successfully defeat the large powers of its time in wars and battles, Hungary, Byzantium, Venice and Bulgaria (Even the feared Ottomans in a few engagements by the end of the 14th century). Really, in this time period, Serbia was at a level as comparable if not even superior to the European states of its time. Bulgaria was also vassalized to Serbia for a short time period in the early 14th century as well. Tsar Stefan Dusan made Serbia extend from modern and central Serbia through all of modern Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia (even including the Greek part) up to around Thessaly and Epirus.

    The problem with Medieval Serbia was that after the death of Tsar Stefan Dusan (he was poisoned by a Greek/Byzantine doctor) in 1355, Serbia fell apart into civil war in a similar manner to the Frankish Kingdom in the 9th century. The problem with this is that the timing was horrible as it happened exactly as the Turks began crossing into the Balkans through the rump Byzantine Empire. Two elite Serbian noble brothers Vukasin and Ugljesa Mrnjavcevic along with many others marched out to meet the Turks in front of modern day Edirne at the Battle of Maritsa in 1371. Since they outnumbered the Turks, the Turkish Pasha falsely promised to surrender the keys to the city to them, but at night, he launched a surprise attack to slaughter the Serbian army that was sleeping. Apparently they felt so confident in themselves that they did not even bother to put up proper patrols and night shifts to guard the camp which is why they got so easily slaughtered and massacred by the Turks, since after all, the Turks are obviously not known for their trustworthiness. Anyway, this is at least how the official historiography of that battle goes since from that moment, Serbia became a secondary state and any capacity it had to grow into a great and powerful European country, or world power, died there and then basically for eternity (Maybe with Stefan Dusan’s death?). The Turks have permanently ruined the whole Balkans since the late 14th century (the fate of the Balkans then depended mostly on Serbia) until 1913 with their many centuries of Islamic barbarism, arbitrary violence and overall backwardness. The problem with not just Serbia, but countries in the Balkans and East Europe in general, is that even small errors, mistakes, setbacks or simply pure bad luck are usually permanent death blows which completely ruin these countries’ and peoples’ capacity to be on the world stage of great powers (this possibility died centuries ago) or even secondary powers, which is the highest they can realistically hope to achieve.

    By the way, in modern Serbia before WW1, Serbia was actually more economically prosperous than Switzerland as it was a well known phenomenon that Swiss guest workers, notably maids, would come to work in Serbia for money from wealthy families (so common that it features in a play of Branislav Nusic). Unfortunately, today it is the other way around.

    As for the Serb-Albanian relationship, in a 15th century Ottoman census it clearly showed that Serbs were the overwhelming majority population of Kosovo with there being a tiny Shiptar population. In fact, current “Albanian” cities such as Ishkodra (more properly called Skadar) were completely Serbian in this time period. As for Shiptars in general, the overwhelming amount of historical evidence points to the fakeness of their country, national identity and artificial non-native presence in the Balkans. The evidence that Shiptars migrated to the Balkans in the mid-Feudal ages is overwhelming (that is, after the supposed Slav migration of the 7th century, if you buy the Berlin-Vienna thesis for Serbs). Therefore, with the exception of Northern Epirus, all of modern day Albania is rightfully Serbian land inhabited by majority Muslim alien barbarians, not just Kosovo and parts of Monkeydonia.

  266. Did you seriously write a wall of text to that shitty bait?
    Hohol hatred of Russia always proxies into hatred of Serbia, hell you can find Ukranians who defend the Ottoman Empire (on Reddit ofcourse) and claim that the Russian Tsarist Tyranny destroyed a tolerant and multi-ethnic Muslim Empire

    Point is, this stuff doesn’t come from some logical conclusion, you’re wasting your time “debunking it”
    Just LOL it and move on

  267. German_reader says

    points to the fakeness of their country, national identity and artificial non-native presence in the Balkans.

    lol, where did Albanians originate then in your version of history?

  268. You don’t write for the person you respond to (otherwise responding to ~1/3 of commenters here would be useless, as they are either paid trolls or paid or unpaid morons), you write for honest open-minded readers who might not be aware of the info you are providing. At some point Ron Unz wrote to me that according to his stats only a small percentage of readers actually comment. So, you write for that “silent majority” more than for commenters.

  269. You are making a pretty common mistake: equating Ukrainians with Ukies. The difference is about the same as between Germans and Nazis. Ukies represent maybe 5% of Ukrainian population. The fraction of Ukies among Ukrainian expats in the US and Canada is much greater, because most of those people are descendants of Hitler lackeys who ran away from the Red Army to avoid being hanged as Nazi collaborators. Ukrainians and Germans are humans you can work and argue with. In contrast, Ukies and Nazis are vermin. The only way humans should deal with them is like with cockroaches: either you exterminate them, or you have a recurring problem.

  270. I’m one of those “khokhols” that you seem to loathe, however, I find your rendition of Serbian history quite interesting and look forward to AP’s rebuttal. Any one or two Serbian history books that you could recommend in the English language would be appreciated.

  271. Several issues. First of all, take the fork, prosperous pre-WW1 Kingdom of Serbia, Maritsa narrative nonsense and throw it in the garbage. I hate kool-aid history with a passion because very important facts and primary sources get overlooked while the focus shifts to fiction and fabrications.

    Medieval Serbia was sparsely populated and relied on Saxon miners, Ragusan trade, Germanic knights (an entire guard of them – Allemanic Guard), mercenaries from as far as Catalonia to succesfuly rival Bulgaria, Hungary, Byzantines and Venice. In fact, some areas were so sparsely populated that they were leased out to Ragusan republic for a yearly tribute – the Orthodox Serbs abandoned the lands under pressure from Italian/Papal missionaries and monks – those lands are present-day Croatia – Ston, Pelješac, Konavle, Korčula, Mljet.
    The Ottoman conquest of present-day Republic of Srpska, North Macedonia, Kosovo, and Greek Macedonia gave Ottomans several biggest gold and in particular silver mines, for example.
    Even in the crucial battle of Velbazhd, there were many foreign mercenaries (Catalonian band included) on Serbian side in an attempt to bolster inferior Serb numbers compared to Bulgarian ones. Almost half of Bulgarian army didn’t even engage in that battle because they were on their way, while the part which was defeated was roughly a match for victorious Serb one.

    Don’t engage in mythology, if you are truly interested in history, focus solely on preserved primary evidence, followed by secondary, contemporary sources. Modern historiography of medieval period consists of a ridiculous amount of wishful thinking and creative writing.

    The fateful Kosovo battle of 1389 saw less than 20 000 combatants on Serb side. The demographic losses sustained during it meant that Serbian vassal contingents which fought on Ottoman side at Rovine in 1395, Nicopolis 1396 and Angora in 1402 were relatively small and no Serbian resistance was even possible in the 1389 attle aftermath – there were not enough trained military age men left – and hence vassalhood was offered despite Ottomans not conquering the land.

    Don’t engage in mythology, if you are truly interested in history, focus solely on preserved primary evidence, followed by secondary, contemporary sources. Modern historiography of medieval period consists of a ridiculous amount of wishful thinking and creative writing.

    Arnaut tribes were part of Emperor/Tzar Dušan’s armies that conquered Epirus and came as far as Aetolia. In the aftermath of his death, (part) Serb aristocrats ruled over the small successor statelets in Aetolia, Epirus, Thessaly.

    Albania was first used to describe the present-day Albania in the beginning of 20th century. Dyrrachion, Epirus (despotate) etc. were historical terms
    What was called Albanian was Venetian province of Albania Veneta, corresponding roughly to medieval Zeta, which naturally included Shkodra/Skadar as its capital. Hoxha regime bulldozed all remains they could, as well as imposing mandatory names and surnames, banning all minorities from declaring themselves as anything but Albanians, banning any newspaper, jamming radio broadcasts from Yugoslavia etc.
    I believe only 2% of Albanians were literate at the end of 19th century. Austro-Hungary invested heavily into the creation of Albania from 1907 to 1913, culminating with Great Powers creating it at London Conference and selecting an Ottoman Pasha to rule over it.

    PS: Skenderbeg’s brother and father are buried at a Serb monastery Hilandar, dying as Serb Orthodox monks, his father was of distant Serb descent, while his mather was a 1/1 Serb – Voisava. His sibling’s names are indicative as well. There are preserved letters written by him and his father in Serbian Cyrillic.

  272. Kent Nationalist says

    Hopefully he has at least served to dissuade some European men having children with Chinese women

  273. Informative.

    (Un)fortunately, irrelevant for all practical purposes.

    Myths, not facts, rule humans. Masses in particular.

  274. anonymous coward says

    Pretty much everything you said is total bullshit.

    a) “Repression” (though it really isn’t) of female sexuality is not a male thing, nor a patriarchy imperative. It’s a female thing driven by females, to allow females access to stable homes and money-earning fathers for their children.

    b) The job of women isn’t to “show off sexuality”, their primary drive is to vet male suitors and practice eugenics for their kids. “Female sexuality” of the slutty form is a gender inversion where women started acting like men in the second half of the 20th century. It was invented and forced on women by lecherous men and perverted lesbians.

    c) Sluttiness and promiscuity never lead to high birth rates. The rule is that the more loose sex, the less babies are born. (See points a) and b) above for an explanation, it should be obvious.)

    d) The animal imperative of the human creature is monogamy, not promiscuity. Promiscuity only became possible in the 20th century via a massive overdose of poisonous chemicals and brainwashing propaganda. It’s as far from natural as you can get while still on this Earth.

  275. German_reader says

    The animal imperative of the human creature is monogamy

    iirc the majority of recorded cultures in history have had some form of polygamy, mostly polygyny (obviously only for the most successful men).
    Monogamy as a cultural norm seems to be more of a European phenomenon (even of pre-Christian origin among Greeks and Romans, later taken up by the church), not a human universal because of biology.

  276. Classic cuckservative. Soft, weak, moderately dumb, with zero practical social intelligence.
    Added to the list.

  277. anonymous coward says

    iirc the majority of recorded cultures in history have had some form of polygamy, mostly polygyny (obviously only for the most successful men)

    That only proves that culture is not natural. (A fact that should be obvious with half a second of deliberation.)

    Monogamy as a cultural norm seems to be more of a European phenomenon

    Monogamy is a desired norm in every human society. It has been enforced in very few cultures; but then again, things like banning murder, rape, cannibalism, infanticide (etc) haven’t historically been enforced either. That doesn’t mean that cannibalism or infanticide are ‘natural’.

  278. anonymous coward says

    Added to the list.

    What a cuck! A real man’s man would have tracked his address and beat his snot in!

  279. German_reader says

    Monogamy is a desired norm in every human society.

    It’s clearly not desired by the big men in such societies who have multiple wives/concubines and sometimes dozens of children.
    If the goal of life is reproductive success, monogamy is in some sense an unnatural restriction on the desire of men to impregnate as many women as possible and be more successful in passing on their genes than competitors.
    There are many good reasons to reject polygamy, but I don’t think it can be called “unnatural”.

  280. Thorfinnsson says

    List?

    By list do you mean IGNORE?

    The Ignore feature is for cowards, Peter.

    Don’t be a coward.

  281. I’m pretty disappointed you didn’t answer the question: if someone openly writes about committing violence on a comment board on a website, is he a moron, a some intelligence operative, an NGO operative (think SPLC or ADL), or is this a sign of some superior practical social intelligence?

    Good riddance.

  282. Hehe….beating a moderately dumb, socially not very intelligent, weak and soft man!?
    Interesting….
    Curious (sort of…): why?

  283. Sorry, you are mistaken. Although elites have throughout history practiced polygamy, most human relationships across cultures have been monogamous with occasional rather uncommon infidelity. This is even reflected in human sexual organ physiology, compared to that of other primates.

  284. Don’t think so.
    Depends what you want. “Debating” or..something else.

    Tell me something: is there anything/anyone you tend to ignore? Vegans, lesbians…? Libtards? People who hate guns? People who can’t stand violence? You really don’t mind spending your time given on this planet to interact with them? Really?

    If you can choose between ..ahm…discussig anything with them and something else, say….fishing…reading/watching something you like….gym work…etc…what would you choose?

    About half of people commenting here are, fundamentally, ideological enemies, at this stage.
    The rest…among those there are, IMHO, less than 10 % who are some sort of thinkers. 40% are….white noise.

    So….why would you want to spend your time…effort…energy on those 50 %, even those 40%?
    You have plenty of time and energy. Good for you. You sure?

    Aren’t we in the phase where we should focus ourselves? Use our time, energy and effort better?

    Or…not?

    I know what “cuskservatives” want there.
    I don’t.

  285. You have a strange preoccupation with cocks and Anglos. As an English-speaking Indian what does this say about your personal experiences?

  286. German_reader says

    Although elites have throughout history practiced polygamy, most human relationships across cultures have been monogamous

    That goes without saying that most relationships have been monogamous, since only the most successful men could afford maintaining several women and since the number of women was finite and could only be expanded through high-risk activities like war. But I don’t think there is any inherent disposition in men against polygamy, it clearly has been attractive in many societies for high-status men.
    Obviously costs and benefits for women are rather different. For a woman it’s of course beneficial if she and her offspring can monopolize a man’s resources.

    This is even reflected in human sexual organ physiology

    How so?

  287. Thorfinnsson says

    There’s a difference between using the scroll wheel, page down, or end key vs. deliberately hiding people’s comments.

  288. I think that many more collaborators stayed behind than fled. Putin’s best friend in Ukraine is the son of one of them:

    Medvedchuk’s father, Volodymyr Medvedchuk, avoided being drafted into the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War due to his suffering from Pott disease. During Nazi Germany’s occupation of Ukraine, he worked for the German administration in a labor camp from April 1942 to November 1943. The section provided enforced deportation of the local able-bodied Ukrainian youth to work in Nazi Germany. After the retreat of German forces Volodymyr Medvedchuk was arrested by SMERSH on 7 August 1954 and sentenced to eight years of imprisonment and four of exile in Siberia “for participation in Ukrainian nationalistic activities.” Viktor was born in Pochet, Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russian SFSR.

    ::::::::::

    Most of the concentration camp guards were captured Sovok soldiers. Collaborationist and Sovietism went hand in hand.

  289. Re “cowards”.

    People who can, ad nauseam, regurgitate “what’s wrong”. That’s for that 45 % here who do think something is wrong about the paradigm. 50% are more than happy with it, of course. Cowards are
    those who lack the moral fibre to think about SOLUTIONS.

    Those 5 % is what, IMHO, this site is all about. For now, because the …haha…”moderation” will increase. That thread about “Guns” as a good example.

    We….do…not…have…time….to…fuck….around……anymore.

    In the real world, politics and power play, time and timing are the most important.

    And…we are wasting ours, IMHO. Well, those 50 % that is.
    Understandable.

    Just saw that “scroll wheel, page down, or end key”. Funny. You use software to do the dumb work for you.
    Hehe…you don’t manually guide a missile anymore. Or aim a cannon. You let the processor and program do it for you. Etc. The principle.
    I am actually contemplating writing a script to, using certain algorithms, recognize “cuckservatives” on this site. Just a local Javascript plugin.
    Anyway….

  290. German_reader says

    among those there are, IMHO, less than 10 % who are some sort of thinkers.

    Well, you certainly aren’t one, you’re a total retard who writes nothing but low-value comments about how tough he is and how other commenters are weaklings for not following up on your constant insinuations about violent methods. Again: anyone who writes such things on the net is either a clueless moron (who might eventually have his door kicked down and his premises searched by police for ineffectual net nonsense) or he pursues some other agenda.

  291. anyone who writes such things on the net is either a clueless moron (who might eventually have his door kicked down and his premises searched by police for ineffectual net nonsense) or he pursues some other agenda.

    This.

  292. Two easons I skim articles on this site and, more importantly, comments. Hehe…those I can see, that is.

    First, less important, to get a bit of information here and there. Rare, but worth skimming. Local people and/or experts in certain fields.

    Second, really important,watching to see a rudimentary idea of “our” think tank coming out, somehow, SOMEWHERE. That one for a couple of sub=reasons.
    I guess I make sense. For those 5% around, that is. The rest simply don’t matter.

  293. Are you suggesting that we all should join Jaroslav Hašek’s Party of Moderate Progress Within the Bounds of the Law:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Party_of_Moderate_Progress_Within_the_Bounds_of_the_Law

    and at most follow the extreme acts of defiance and bravery demonstrated by reiner Tor who dared to challenge the system by taking a snapshot of Muslim man smoking on the non smoking train? But nothing beyond the iPhone snapshot direct action!

    The creature peterAUS never had a comment that was made in a good faith. He is a troll. Not much different than guys like iffen or the Wiz of Oz. Just ignore the fuck.

    It is interesting that on another thread just few days ago the most icky commenter on UR (Sean) was egging the truthers and anti-Israel commenters to prove they belief in their stuff by doing something about it like by assassinating Mr. Silverstein. Do Sean and peterAUS come from the same stable?

  294. I don’t know if this is interesting – probably not – but Slovakia is the only country in the entire white world in which “[c]ousin marriage is legal, or has vague legality, or occurs in greater than 10% of the population”.

    Source

    The relatively high rates of cousin marriage (5 to 10%) in some western European countries is due to “ethnic or religious enclaves”. Slovakia doesn’t have these beyond the 2% (maybe higher?) of the population that is Romani.

  295. Their Gypsy population is at least 5-10%, probably, similar to Hungary.

  296. You’re a Khohol I’m Saka.

  297. Stfu with your cryptic bull shit.

    Stop acting like everyone is a coward when most people would answer a general mobilization.

    Yes the ability to act alone is rare and to act and get away rarer.

    We need a religious and socio cultural change so that white people think that supporting immigration is as abhorrent as being a pedophile or racist is today.

    Shooting up your local mosque or church is not gonna do that, neither is making edgy commentary at the dinner table.

    What actually needs to be done is being done and is unrelated to Sovok mutts who put AUS in their name but live in CRIMEA.

  298. Yea, I never thought that I would fault Stalin for being to soft, but here it is. He should have exterminated every single traitor who worked for the Nazis, rather than sending them to camps from which they eventually returned.

    It was a good thing that after the Nazis were kicked out of many towns by the Red Army the NKVD troops arrived “late”, a few days after the liberation. I suspect it was done on purpose, to let locals hang their collaborators (which they did) and relieve the state from spending resources on court proceedings, transporting the scum to camps, and then feeding the vermin there for years.

  299. …Sovok mutts who put AUS in their name but live in CRIMEA.

    Clap..clap…clap…..
    Perceptive, sharp…..hehe…….

    Good news is: won’t put you on ignore. Forgot to mention, in that percentage thing re this pub, a small, but a quite interesting group of posters. I do like reading their posts. Similar to yours.

    Keeps me on my toes when walking around the neighborhood at night.

    Posting on this site demands more than living in an average neighborhood. Hence, more people of your type are likely to live around my place. Perceptive, sharp…..elementary social intelligence. Intelligence in general, too. I mean…

    ….Stfu with your cryptic bull shit…

    Cryptic”?…Hahaha…Oh my. Does it hurt? Headaches when reading such stuff?

    Now, actually, you got me worried a bit. The combination of your..ahm…mental abilities…. and mentioning

    …Shooting up your local mosque or church..

    Fear not.
    The “monitors” just got you in the system.

    All good.

  300. I just want to say how impressed I am with Reiner Tor, German Reader, and Thorfinsson on this thread for being such balanced, mature, sensible, prudent, cautious, realistic, and adult men in their attitude towards violence.

    It is heartwarming to see the qualities that made the West great still exist.

  301. German_reader says

    Maybe it only refers to the legal status of cousin marriage in Slovakia, not to the actual prevalence of it (“is legal…or occurs”, not “and“).
    I wonder though how accurate that map is, as far as I know cousin marriage is completely legal in Germany (not just “illegal, but not enforced”), though it certainly would be considered strange and disgusting by many people.

  302. What percentage of cousin marriages do immigrants account for in Germany? I see Germany is listed as yellow non that map. Also what regions is it more prevalent?

    https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/france-consanguineous-marriages-roman-catholics-1926-1945.jpg

    Here is map I found of France about cousin marriages.

  303. Uhh, first-cousin marriage (which is what I assume you’re referring to) is legal in about 50% of US states.

  304. German_reader says

    What percentage of cousin marriages do immigrants account for in Germany?

    No idea (don’t know if data for that exists), but I suppose the vast majority is Turks, Kurds and other Muslims. As I wrote it’s legal, but would definitely be seen as weird and repellent by most ethnic Germans.

  305. Maybe it only refers to the legal status of cousin marriage in Slovakia, not to the actual prevalence of it (“is legal…or occurs”, not “and“)

    I agree, it is not clear at all. But if, as reiner Tor says above, the Gypsy population is between 5-10% of Slovakia then I guess it is also reasonable to assume that they are probably a higher percentage of Slovakia’s young marriage age population. So more than 10% cousin marriage rate seems believable, and presumably Hungary will be going the same way soon.

  306. That goes without saying that most relationships have been monogamous, since only the most successful men could afford maintaining several women and since the number of women was finite and could only be expanded through high-risk activities like war. But I don’t think there is any inherent disposition in men against polygamy, it clearly has been attractive in many societies for high-status men.

    Humans evolved to be basically monogamous but in certain circumstances they can be not so.

    This is even reflected in human sexual organ physiology

    How so?

    Everything you ever wanted to know about primate genitals and monogamy (“Brutis” will be overjoyed reading this article):

    http://theconversation.com/why-did-humans-evolve-big-penises-but-small-testicles-71652

  307. So you are a central Asian? LOL.

  308. His post is like some nonsense Ukrainian nationalists sometimes write, but even more over the top.

    Epigon’s excellent reply is sufficient. This gem stands out:

    By the way, in modern Serbia before WW1, Serbia was actually more economically prosperous than Switzerland as it was a well known phenomenon that Swiss guest workers, notably maids, would come to work in Serbia for money from wealthy families

    I mean, there were also French tutors in Russia in the 19th century, this doesn’t mean Russia was more prosperous than France at that time.

    In 1890 Serbia’s per capita product in 2010 dollars was $1,295. In Russia it was $1,550, in Bulgaria $1,670. In Galicia it was $1,947. In Bohemia $2,530, Austria $3,005, England $6,228.

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.361.386&rep=rep1&type=pdf

  309. He should have exterminated every single traitor who worked for the Nazis, rather than sending them to camps from which they eventually returned.

    But then Ukraine wouldn’t have its most pro-Russian politician 🙂

    It was a good thing that after the Nazis were kicked out of many towns by the Red Army the NKVD troops arrived “late”, a few days after the liberation. I suspect it was done on purpose, to let locals hang their collaborators (which they did)

    Many of the Nazi collaborators had previously been Sovok ones, who had managed to escape being hanged right after the Nazis came in by people who hated Sovoks.

    Anyways, there is a difference between cooperation and collaboration. Vlasov was a collaborator; people like Pyotr Krasnov were not (nevermind what wiki says about him).

  310. Collaborationist and Sovietism went hand in hand.

    In that case, how do you explain that France and many other “democratic” countries readily folded and submitted to Nazi occupation? In contrast, Soviet Union did not fold, and crushed Nazi Germany in the end. If your assertion were true, it would have been the other way around. From which it follows that your statement is utter BS.

  311. He is a proud descendant of the adronovo and karasuk cultures

  312. “In that case, how do you explain that France and many other “democratic” countries readily folded…”

    Partly because of Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact that made all communist potential resistance in Europe to collaborate with Nazis till June 22, 1941. Resisting Germans in 1940 was very anti-Soviet and by extension anti-Russian since you all Sovoks keep conflating Russian and Soviet.

  313. Are you serious? In plain English you are saying that w/o communist resistance “democracies” inevitably fold before Nazis. That’s the highest praise for commies I’ve ever heard in my life.

  314. I’m not able to offer a judgement of the veracity of his views of history, although I have left the door open for him to provide some background reading to substantiate his views – he seems to have vanished?…Epigon certainly seems to know the territory, though.

    You know AP, there’s a concensus out there amongst many historians that language affinity is just as important as actual genetic markers when trying to define a nationality. A lot of Ukrainians like to point out that Great Russians are also a kind of an erzats sort of Slav nation too. A finno-ugric sub base covered with a Slavic language veneer. Of course there seems to be a lot more “pure” Slavic DNA within Russia today. How many “Little Russians” have assimilated into the large Russian nation over the centuries, any guess? I would guess tens of millions, and I wouldn’t be too far off, a lot more than in the 12th-14th centuries when the Great Russian ethnos first evolved.

  315. You know AP, there’s a concensus out there amongst many historians that language affinity is just as important as actual genetic markers when trying to define a nationality.

    So Mike Tyson is basically an Englishman?

    I have no doubt that a Serb belongs to the Serb nationality. The question is if this makes him a Slav, rather than a Balkan. It does not.

    A lot of Ukrainians like to point out that Great Russians are also a kind of an erzats sort of Slav nation too. A finno-ugric sub base covered with a Slavic language veneer.

    Genetics has laid this false myth to rest (at least with respect to southern and central Russians who are as Slavic as Ukrainians – northern Russians are indeed mostly Finnic rather than Slavic). It also shows that Serbs are only about 25% Slavic by descent.

    Of course there seems to be a lot more “pure” Slavic DNA within Russia today. How many “Little Russians” have assimilated into the large Russian nation over the centuries, any guess? I would guess tens of millions, and I wouldn’t be too far off, a lot more than in the 12th-14th centuries when the Great Russian ethnos first evolved.

    A clever and probably realistic point. It is likely that in the 12th-14th century “Russians” (people from tVladimir-Suzdal) were less Slavic than they have been since Little Russians settled among them. Probably not as much as you think however – Russians from places without documented Ukrainian settlement are also rather Slavic. Also I doubt tens of millions of Ukrainians settled in Russia. In 1600 Russia had 14 million people. Poland-Lithuania had 8 million, so Ukraine itself probably had no more than 3 million (I don’t have time to look up this figure).

    But Little Russian/Ukrainian settlement probably made some sort of difference.

  316. Anyways, there is a difference between cooperation and collaboration. Vlasov was a collaborator; people like Pyotr Krasnov were not (nevermind what wiki says about him)

    Asked with some trepidation, how so? Vlasov’s forces eventually ended up fighting the Nazis.

  317. In that case, how do you explain that France and many other “democratic” countries readily folded and submitted to Nazi occupation? In contrast, Soviet Union did not fold,

    Soviet Union also folded badly and quickly, it just had more room. If Paris were as far from the German border as Moscow and there were as many Frenchmen as Soviets, France might also not have “folded.” How many Soviet soldiers surrendered in the first months, rather than fight?

  318. Then again, Germany was willing to nominally recognize France with a Vichy administration, somewhat along the lines of Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Croatia and Bulgaria.

    As a contrast, for much of his time in captivity, Vlasov’s army was pretty much a shelved pending project on account of numerous Nazis being suspect and/or openly hostile towards the existence of any kind of Russia.

  319. Women who are sexually attractive (young, pretty, well proportioned) are going to show it off to the extent society allows them to (social norms have been historically dictated by men), because this is their reproductive value. Men too will try to show off whatever it is (strength, intelligence, social skills) that makes them a good mate . If you’ve got it, flaunt it. Your “rule” about loose sex doesn’t seem to be in evidence in much of the world, as promiscuous Africa has the highest birth rates of all and conservative East Asia the lowest.

    Monogamy is not the animal imperative of the human creature; it is simply an agreement in any given stable social group that we are not going to screw each other’s wives (even then, often honored more in the breach than the observance). Men throughout history have been perfectly happy–enthusiastic even–to fuck random women when they’re reasonably sure there won’t be repercussions for doing so. So you kill the (outgroup) men first, then you take their women. Whole nations (Iceland) were founded on this practice. Human beings in aggregate are closer to chimps than to your romantic fairytale notions.

  320. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Don’t engage in mythology, if you are truly interested in history, focus solely on preserved primary evidence, followed by secondary, contemporary sources. Modern historiography of medieval period consists of a ridiculous amount of wishful thinking and creative writing.

    Since you repeated this twice, this is obviously your most important message. The only problem is that analyzing primary evidence and secondary sources from contemporaries of the time is not easy since it requires, especially for the medieval ages, knowledge of Latin and Greek, and Old Slavonic as well. Of course, for some primary evidence technical-scientific understanding is also necessary for certain things and so on.

    I hate kool-aid history with a passion because very important facts and primary sources get overlooked while the focus shifts to fiction and fabrications.

    What do you define as”kool-aid” history?

    Since according to you, things like Vladimir Corovic’s “History of the Serbs” and “History of the Serbian people” must be completely unreliable garbage then? It’s true that his Yugoslav-ism is cancerous and that makes at least his early Medieval and 20th century version of history unreliable, of course.

    My only query then would be, what exactly is the version of Serbian Medieval history that you have understood? Some mediocre Balkan state with low population that did relatively well considering it’s low population and difficult geography? Did the Battle of Maritsa not happen since there is too little primary source evidence for it?

    Otherwise, yes, I was already aware of the Saxon miners, foreign mercenaries, and Catholicising efforts. Also, thanks for the information about the plain proof for Skanderberg’s Serb origin, more information about the fakeness of Albania and Hoxha’s suppression of Serb culture.

  321. Of course there seems to be a lot more “pure” Slavic DNA within Russia today. How many “Little Russians” have assimilated into the large Russian nation over the centuries, any guess? I would guess tens of millions, and I wouldn’t be too far off, a lot more than in the 12th-14th centuries when the Great Russian ethnos first evolved.

    For that matter, over the course of time, how many “Great Russians” and “White Russians” have assimilated into the territory now known as Ukraine?

    As for another issue raised, it seems like every predominately designated Slav nation has traces of non-Slav groups. The difference is in types (Turkic, German, Finn-Ugric, Mongol…) and percentages. Some here like to post pictures of a random group of 20 or less as an ah hah, they look like… Plenty of Serbs and Bulgarians look Russian and are frequently mistaken as such by some in the West.

  322. The definition of a collaborator is: “a person who cooperates traitorously with an enemy; a defector.”

    Vlasov was a high-ranking Sovok general who switched sides after he was captured. He was a defector. The fact that he defected again after the Nazis whom he joined were losing just drives this point home further.

    Pyotr Krasnov, in contrast, never took Sovok citizenship and never recognized Bolshevik rule over Russia. He allied with the Germans not as a defector, and his alliance was therefore not a form of treason. Thus he was not a collaborator. He didn’t meet the definition.

    Same thing with Bandera and the OUN. Bandera was a monster and terrorist, but his cooperation with Germany did not represent treason or defection. He was not a Soviet and never recognized Polish rule over Ukraine. Like Krasnov, he allied with the Germans, but this cannot be considered to be collaboration. OTOH, the Soviet POWs who worked in concentration camps to avoid starvation in the POW camps were collaborators.* As were the Sovok police who became German police.

    *This could be complicated however. Many of the Soviet POWS were conscripts forced to serve in the Soviet army. Soviet people who were forced to live under the Bolshevik yoke who welcomed the Germans cannot be considered collaborators. Here are examples:

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/08/fragile-loyalties-soviet-russians-between-hitler-and-stalin/

    ” The upheavals of collectivization led to the famine of 1932–1933, which killed millions. Later, in 1937–1938, Stalin’s Great Terror swept the country. Mass arrests, deportations, and executions targeted all sorts of imagined and real enemies of the state, resulting in a million more deaths. The Stalinist regime, bent on cleansing the country of opponents and enemies, made itself the worst enemy of its own people.

    The regime’s war against the peasantry naturally generated hostility and resentment in the countryside. As one wartime inhabitant of northwest Russia later put it, “My forefathers were affluent peasants; the Bolsheviks turned them into beggars and slaves.” Such emotions fed rumors, recurring frequently throughout the 1930s, of a coming war in which the Bolsheviks would be crushed and the collective farms dissolved. When the actual invasion came, authorities and witnesses recorded utterances such as “Now I expect salvation only from Hitler,” “Now we will hang all your Communists, and our lives will become better,” and “The Germans will dissolve the cursed kolkhozes, and then we will have our own farms again.”

    Many Russian peasants invested their hopes in the German message of liberation from Bolshevism. This is why some took to writing letters of gratitude. Others, as documented in Soviet partisan reports, offered the Germans a traditional bread-and-salt welcome. In one district, peasants even organized a collection of Christmas gifts for German soldiers, delivering thousands of pairs of socks, gloves, and felt boots in what appeared to be a display of gratitude. German intelligence reporting on the popular mood tends to be consistent with these observations. As one official stated in December 1941 (see Figure 3), “The peasants, as well as most of the urban population, generally welcomed the downfall of Bolshevism or at least passively observed the events.” Other types of sources provide corroboration. Here, for instance, is a diary entry from Aug. 20, 1941, by Mariia Germanova, a rural schoolteacher: “Most of our populace are glad the Germans have arrived.”

    :::

    The German betrayal of the Soviet peoples’ hopes was a tragedy but sadly in line with sick Nazi ideology.

  323. Young people, and especially men are now actually having less sex than ever.

    I doubt that is true. For the average (or above-average) man mating with multiple partners has become much more likely than it would have been had there been no female “sexual liberation”. And we all know some below average-looking men who have developed successful alternative strategies to attract women out of necessity. Moreover, dating skills, that were of paramount importance when I was a teenager, have become much less important due to the internet and dating apps.

    I do tend to see a certain evolution among the youngest generations towards a more conservative approach to sexual relations than was common in my youth (during the aftermath of the sexual revolution) but that is, if anything, a recent phenomenon not directly linked to lack of opportunities (even more so in societies mature enough to decriminalize prostitution).

    In order for a society to function, women must be made to settle for men that are roughly at their level of quality.

    This is pretty much what ends up happening if you just leave things alone. But it is debatable that this is the ideal outcome from a societal perspective. On the one hand, stable families are an unquestionable benefit for our civilized way of life. On the other hand, having alpha males reproduce at a higher rate than the rest is more eugenic.

    In the small rural communities of Fundamentalist Mormons in the Western USA they still practice the organized mating of so-called “seeders”, who are chosen by the Church to impregnate women married to other men. Unfortunately, these communities are nowadays so small that they have become affected by consanguinity problems. But I live surrounded by Mormons who were subject to this sort of practices during generations and my impression is that they built a very well functioning society of healthy and good-looking individuals.

  324. Your understanding of the definition of collaborator is mistaken. In terms of the raw meaning of the word, Krasnov was more of a Nazi collaborator than Vlasov.

    Vlasov and his forces had good reason to go against the Nazis. They were to a good extent disrespectfully treated. When the Nazis became desperate, they only then offered Vlasov and his forces a greater role. Vlasov’s movement was premised on a pro-Russian/anti-Soviet outlook, as per their statements. In Prague (the last scene of WW II European theater fighting), Vlasov’s forces felt a kinship with the Czech resistance and contributed to Prague’s liberation – something acknowledged in Czechia.

    Yes, Vlasov was a Red Army officer. People have made reasonable changes.

    The Nazis made a mistake in not utilizing Vlasov in somewhat the same manner that the Germans usecd Lenin at the end of WW I.

  325. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    I’m not able to offer a judgement of the veracity of his views of history, although I have left the door open for him to provide some background reading to substantiate his views – he seems to have vanished?

    Well, this forum isn’t the center of my life, as it is, I waste too much time here anyway.

    however, I find your rendition of Serbian history quite interesting and look forward to AP’s rebuttal. Any one or two Serbian history books that you could recommend in the English language would be appreciated.

    Well, there is a lot I could recommend, since Serbian history is quite a rich thing, but one of my most basic recommendations would simply be to read the works of Petar II Petrovic-Njegos who was a Serb Patriarch but also ruler of Montenegro (de facto Serbian) in the 19th century. That is, read the translations in English of course. Mountain Wreath is probably his most famous work and I honestly haven’t bothered to fully read it (I’ve been meaning to get around to that sometime), but I find Njegos’s work “Voice of the Kamenstak” (Глас Каменштака) to be my favorite since it is Njegos’s literary description of all the battles and fights that the Montenegrin Serbs fought against the Turks/Muslims from 1711-1813. English translations of these things aren’t exactly the easiest to come by, but I know that they exist.

  326. Also I doubt tens of millions of Ukrainians settled in Russia. In 1600 Russia had 14 million people. Poland-Lithuania had 8 million, so Ukraine itself probably had no more than 3 million (I don’t have time to look up this figure).

    The process, however has been going on and increasing since 1600. After reading a good article on this topic within Wikipedia, I’d have to revise my estimate way down. There are today at least 4,000,000 people of Ukrainian descent living in Russia (it’s gone way up since the Donbas war). Perhaps, this is a plus for Putin’s Russia?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Russia

  327. Thanks for the information. I have enjoyed my visits to some local Serbian Orthodox churches in the Phoenix, AZ area. Milder form of Slivovitz are always a great refreshment. Let’s both take some pride in knowing that the union of Serbian and Ukrainian parents produced the beautiful American movie star, Milla Jojovich.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Milla_Jovovich_Cannes_2016.jpg/220px-Milla_Jovovich_Cannes_2016.jpg

  328. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    lol, where did Albanians originate then in your version of history?

    It’s not my “version of history”. The historical evidence that Albanians/Arnauts/Shiptars are not native to the current land of Albania is very strong. As Epigon has already explained, Albania is a completely fake and artificial creation of the Western great powers at the start of the 20th century made in order to deny Serbs of their rightful ancient ancestral lands. Hungarian historian Lajos Thallaczy literally designed the current Albanian flag by plagiarizing from Serb history and culture. Also, Bosnian ethnicity and statehood is a completely fake thing as well which was another social engineering project begun by Austria-Hungary.

    Basically, with the exceptions of Serbia, Greece, Romania and Bulgaria, literally every other country that exists in the Balkans is a completely artificial and fake product of ethno-sociopolitical engineering by powerful non-Balkan forces. The existence of all those fake countries is disgusting and criminally offensive, and if the great powers and those peoples’ had any shred of basic human decency and ethics, they would instantly abolish those fake states and do the right thing by removing themselves from the world map. Anyway, even Romania and Bulgaria barely qualify as real countries since Vatican conspirators had a large part in cooking up the former, while the latter is a product of 1000 year old miscegenation between Serbs/Slavs and Tatars. Still, Romania and Bulgaria, along with Serbia and Greece, are certainly more real than all the other fake and monstrous entities in the Balkans.

    As for “Albanian” origins, there is strong, but not certain evidence for one of two explanations. First, that they come from the current Caucus around Azerbaijan or Dagestan where they gradually migrated by service in the Arab Islamic Caliphate, then onto Southern Italy and by boat into current Albania. The second mentions a tribe in current Southern Bulgaria called the Bessoi (note similarity to Besa) that also migrated towards current Albania. Regardless, what’s clear is that there is a lot of evidence which suggests that “Albanians” are not native to current Albania, but that they come from somewhere else.

  329. As for “Albanian” origins, there is strong, but not certain evidence for one of two explanations. First, that they come from the current Caucus around Azerbaijan or Dagestan where they gradually migrated by service in the Arab Islamic Caliphate, then onto Southern Italy and by boat into current Albania. The second mentions a tribe in current Southern Bulgaria called the Bessoi (note similarity to Besa) that also migrated towards current Albania. Regardless, what’s clear is that there is a lot of evidence which suggests that “Albanians” are not native to current Albania, but that they come from somewhere else.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_Albania

    The Ancient greeks called it Ἀλβανία.

  330. The USSR was big, and the Soviet citizens numerous, so could afford to lose even more catastrophic losses than France. More Soviet soldiers fell into German captivity in the first few months of the war than even existed in the French army. Within three months the Germans captured an area almost twice as large as France, despite the logistics being way more difficult and distances larger than in France.

    Being big is a big advantage in war, but it’s not a virtue.

  331. Mainly I just think it explains the absolutely abysmal level of quality of American films since perhaps the late 2000’s, particularly Superhero stuff.

    If you look at many blockbuster American films from the 1970’s (‘Dog Day Afternoon’, ‘Taxi Driver’, ‘Mccabe & Mrs Miller’, even ‘Annie Hall’), most of them would be relegated to the ‘arthouse’ (totally meaningless term) circuit today.

  332. Jesus Christ… had to stop before the end to puke.. thanks for the most disgusting thing I’ve read in a very long time.

  333. There is little point in discussing Balkan present here, let alone Balkan history. Tone down your svidomism, as it seems you readily identify foreign svidomism while remaining oblivious of your own.

    The supposedly “fake” countries and nations you call out are not fake as long as they are live and kicking (Serb ass). Ranting about them and their origin has no benefits – there are dozens of more useful and purposeful activities you should be doing instead – finishing your studies or setting up your business, for example.

    As WW2 and especially WW1 aftermath in the region have demonstrated, expanding your borders through military victory and approval of Great Powers is not enough. I couldn’t stress this more – Serbs have both megalomania, delusions of grandeur and (strategic) shortsightedness in them, this extending from (opportunistic) commoners to political elite. Serbia hadn’t even built an internal, national consensus and a structured society since 1878 when it expanded in 1912-1913 and 1918-1919, overextending with disastrous results. Any sane individual would have told the Slovenians (Natlačen) and especially Croatians (Starčević, Frank, Radić, Vražja divizija, Pilar) to go fuck themselves and deal with Hungarians, Italians and Austrians, settling their borders in the process as they wished. Instead, the retarded Serbs accepted former AH enemy officers, promoted them and inducted into military service. People invading Kingdom of Serbia and participating in mass war crimes in Mačva were allowed to participate in political life of Yugoslavia – naturally they sabotaged it and blocked Parliament in 1919-1921, resulting in king suspending it. This was mirrored in 1944-1946 regarding Yugocommunist Tito, AH corporal from AH invasion of Serbia.

    By my estimates, Serbia needs several decades of peace and respite to remove anomalies and impurities from society and mentality, form a coherent national idea and forge unity comparable to Croat one. Which means that constructive criticism, ideas, innovation and work dedication take precedence over jingoism, svidomism, score settling with neighbours etc. With NATO protective umbrella and different degrees of US, UK and German interests in the surroundings, any conflict would result in a total disaster.

    Observe how easily yet skillfully AP pushed your buttons, hit you for maximum effect, and consider the implications of such actions-reactions on an international, geopolitical plane. Provocateurs count on impulsive reactions, why do you think a Croat was ridiculing and making fun of 1+ million dead Serb of WW1 in Yugoslav parliament in 1928, offering to buy off spilled Serb blood?

  334. I prudently didn’t open those links back then, but now I did, as a result of your comment. You owe me an apology!

  335. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    I doubt that is true. For the average (or above-average) man mating with multiple partners has become much more likely than it would have been had there been no female “sexual liberation”. And we all know some below average-looking men who have developed successful alternative strategies to attract women out of necessity.

    I think you have unknowingly contradicted yourself with the parts in bold. They would seem to confirm that since the time of “sexual liberation” that most men are having less sex than ever while a small amount of men are having it much more with many women. Basically, what currently exists in the West is a sexual pyramid where all the higher status/level men have access to a pyramid of women at their equal or lower status levels chasing after them while all the other men are completely ignored.

    I do tend to see a certain evolution among the youngest generations towards a more conservative approach to sexual relations than was common in my youth (during the aftermath of the sexual revolution) but that is, if anything, a recent phenomenon not directly linked to lack of opportunities (even more so in societies mature enough to decriminalize prostitution).

    Again, you are confirming what I’m stating. It’s also interesting that you consider legalization of prostitution to be an indicator of a mature society.

    This is pretty much what ends up happening if you just leave things alone. But it is debatable that this is the ideal outcome from a societal perspective. On the one hand, stable families are an unquestionable benefit for our civilized way of life. On the other hand, having alpha males reproduce at a higher rate than the rest is more eugenic.

    At least there’s something we can agree on, although your suggestion that having a society based upon institutionalized cuckolding by superior men of lower status men is odd but interesting. The biggest problem with that would be that if a small amount of men had their way with large numbers of women, the risk of incest and dysgenics would be too high if the numbers are too low.

    Anyway, it’s worth repeating the importance of reading Roger F Devlin’s work (only a 30 page pdf) to understand the true nature of sexual relations between men and women with the logical solution following accordingly:

    https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf

  336. loose sex doesn’t seem to be in evidence in much of the world, as promiscuous Africa has the highest birth rates of all

    Blacks in Africa do not have the same behaviour as in America. High birth rates in Africa have absolutely nothing to do with promiscuous behaviour.

  337. It needs to be pointed out that German casualties were much higher at the start of the invasion of the USSR than in France, this has less to do with the size of the terrain and more to do with the ferocity of the battles.

  338. All these twerking saqaliba (google it) girls are probably auditioning for jobs in Dubai.

    Btw, it is funny to see the incel dorks here (like prissy) acting all moral over it, lol. As if this is any different than the “high culture” of Europe: just look at ballet and ice dancing for example. What’s with the ballerinas and skaters lifting one leg sky high exposing their vaginas for all to stare at? That’s what French prostitutes have been doing for centuries to attract customers. There is an arab account of Frankish whores doing exactly that in front of crowds of crusaders in the Holy Land they had conquered.

  339. Comparing ballet to twerking is simply moronic. One does not have to resort to your stupid Snopes style “fact check” routine to know this is moronic. You are too moronic to know just how moronic your argument is.

  340. The Soviet armed forces were much bigger, and the terrain more difficult for an attacker. So of course the battles were bound to be more ferocious.

  341. The French army was not much smaller compared to the Soviet numbers at the start, also since they were concentrated in a smaller area that actually should mean more ferocious fighting. Terrain as an excuse does not make sense, as Ukraine/Belarus is hardly Afghanistan.

    If you even out troop numbers then the amount of casualties at the start of Barbarossa is an order of magnitude higher than in France, the soldier numbers were however not at that level of difference between France and USSR.

  342. Terrain as an excuse does not make sense, as Ukraine/Belarus is hardly Afghanistan.

    Swampland, fewer roads in the USSR. Much more difficult terrain for attackers.

  343. Your understanding of the definition of collaborator is mistaken

    Oxford English dictionary of the term:

    https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/collaborator

    a person who helps the enemy in a war, when they have taken control of the person’s country

    Krasnov was never a Soviet citizen, he was a sworn enemy of the Bolsheviks. The USSR was not his country.

    Vlasov, however, was a Soviet citizen, and indeed was a Soviet general.

    Google:

    a person who cooperates traitorously with an enemy; a defector.

    Krasnov did not defect from the Soviets; he was never one of them. Again, Vlasov was a Soviet general who changed sides.

    So Krasnov was not a collaborator, but Vlasov was, according to how that word is defined in the English language.

    (for similar reasons, as I explained, Bandera was not a collaborator either – like Krasnov, he was an ally of the Nazis)

    :::::::::::::::::

    It is understood that the word collaborator is often used to simply mean, “anyone who worked with the Germans.” But it is not the proper use, as seen by the definition of the word. The perversion of language is an unfortunate habit of propagandists. You shouldn’t do it, even if you are a Vlasovite.

  344. To be honest – the crucial German thrust came through the Ardennes. The worst terrain imaginable for a mechanized attacker. In comparison, the Axis-Soviet border on June 22nd was lowlands and river valleys.

    French and BEF were caught with their pants down, lingering around Maginot line and looking to repel the repeat of WW1 thrust through Low countries. Sedan was the crucial battle, which, along with Belgian forts, was won principally by Pioniere and Sturmpioniere.

  345. Trump told Mnuchin to substantially increase sanctions on Iran.

  346. They lucked it out, because they weren’t stopped in the first few days.

    After that the French campaign quickly led to the destruction of the main French force and the withdrawal of the British Expeditionary Force, subsequent of which the Germans enjoyed numerical superiority in a relatively quite limited theater of operations. This resulted in a quick French collapse. The Soviets had room to absorb the losses and had time to set up an enormous number of new divisions. It would have been impossible for France to do the same, given the dense transportation network and the relatively small area of the country.

    The Soviets managed to slow down and then stop the German offensive only after the Germans ran out of the range of their logistics support, this simply wouldn’t have happened in France, not even in the Pyrenees.

    The different rail gauges then burdened German logistics further.

  347. So Mike Tyson is basically an Englishman?

    No, Mike Tyson is an American. Is Dr. Oz (light skinned of Turkish descent) more an American than say Dr. Ben Carson of African descent? All would agree that the 20th century was the “American” one, yet one rarely hears about an American nationality. Does it really exist, or is it mostly a construct of citizenship stamped on somebody’s passport?

  348. Thorfinnsson says

    The Germans chewed threw something on the order of 800 Soviet divisions between June and December of 1941. Two-thirds of those divisions were newly formed after the invasion had begun. It was a disastrous failure of military intelligence, which correctly estimated the size of the Soviet field army but incorrectly judged that the Soviet government would only be able to equip 50 more divisions during a 20 week campaign.

    Even if France had the time and space to form new divisions, they didn’t have the manpower. On 10 May 1940 there were 94 French divisions constituting 2.2 million men facing the Germans, along with more facing the Italians (five divisions constituting 185,000 men) and in the colonies (11 divisions in North Africa, three in the Levant). There was also around another 300,000 men in the navy and air force.

    France did have millions more trained reservists and was in fact in the process of calling them up, retraining them, equipping them, and forming new divisions. But it should be noted that many of these reservists were in fact middle aged men who had seen active duty years earlier. And unlike the USSR, France didn’t spend the 1930s stockpiling a vast horde of weapons. Rearmament was running at full tilt, and the country was importing more arms from the United States where possible.

    The population of metropolitan France in 1940 was around forty million.

    So France had already hit its demographic limit in terms of manpower either already in military service or trained for military service.

    That said, extraordinary mobilization measures of the Soviet government during the GPW under the most appalling, disastrous conditions imaginable are perhaps the most extreme ever in history, and it’s doubtful that the Third Republic was capable of a similar effort. Realistically the only other regimes capable of such an effort were Nazi Germany and Showa Japan.

  349. Thorfinnsson says

    The real Americans are those who were here before the Revolutionary War.

    Black Americans constitute a separate nationality.

    Descendants of more recent European immigrants, who arrived in large numbers from circa 1845 – 1914, have assimilated in varying degrees with the old stock core Americans who settled, pioneered, and built the country. Some of them are nearly indistinguishable from the original Americans. There has also been mixing, so you have those who are both of old stock and Ellis Island descent.

    Those who are neither white nor black are in limbo and have no clear identity at all.

  350. Have your own immigrant forebearers been here since before 1914, I suspect not, making you what?

    Why not just include those Americans as real Americans that came over on the Maylower?

    So, in the final analysis, Obama was never an American?

    How about Jesse Owens?

  351. Thorfinnsson says

    I have a weaker American nationality than those who came over on the Mayflower, which shouldn’t be news. I have no connection of any kind to the great events of American history.

    To include only those who came over on the Mayflower would limit the definition of American to New England Puritans (or rather their descendants). There were early settlers from a number of different parts of Britain and the Netherlands who underwent ethnogenesis starting in the middle of the 18th century. Albion’s Seed is the classic text that explores this and defines four folkways.

    There was also a later Southern ethnogenesis that formed a distinct Southern nation, but its effort to break off was thwarted.

    Obama is half-Kenyan and half-American, and he wants to be a black American but is not actually one of them.

    Jesse Owens was a black American, which again, is a distinct nationality from white Americans.

  352. Being big is not a virtue. Refusing to surrender is. Within a month Nazi armies were way behind their Barbarossa schedule. Smolensk stalled German offensive by two months (July 10 – September 10, 1941). France was defeated in a shorter period of time, within seven weeks. The only reason for that is because France folded, while the USSR did not. Much weaker Poland under attack from both Nazi Germany and the USSR resisted almost as long as France. Now, the trick question: who were despicable cowards?

  353. Thorfinnsson says

    The reason is that the Germans pocketed the bulk of the British and French armies and destroyed them, making military defense of the rest of metropolitan France untenable.

    In German parlance their operations in the summer of 1940 are traditionally known as the sickle cut:

    https://image.slidesharecdn.com/lecture-finesthour-nechurchillians-may2010-100510173648-phpapp01/95/lecture-finest-hour-new-england-churchillians-may-2010-34-728.jpg?cb=1273513130

    There were more French divisions, but every military man knew they had insufficient numbers of men and equipment remaining to do much more than delay the Germans in overrunning the entirety of France. Preferring to stop the slaughter, the French stopped the fighting.

    The Polish Army was completely liquidated by the Wehrmacht in three weeks, and then suffered the added blow of the Red Army invading from behind. The Poles didn’t sue for peace because Poles are stubborn mules, which has pros and cons.

    The Soviet Union suffered a series of horrific military disasters during Operation Barbarossa, but the Germans were never able to destroy the entire Red Army. The divisions that were destroyed were replaced by new formations, which the Soviets were able to form for three reasons:

    1 – The vast size of the USSR meant that the Soviet government retained access to manpower
    2 – The USSR’s large population meant that despite the German advances the majority of the population remained under government control
    3 – The USSR spent the 1930s stockpiling more military equipment than any other country

    It’s unseemly to denigrate the French like this. The idea that they were cowards is usually something you hear from double-digit IQ Boomer & Silent Americans convinced that Tom Hanks single-handedly liberated the cowardly French.

  354. So, you are saying that the French were wrong to be ashamed of their country’s performance in WWII, and to convict of treason and jail for life (whatever remained of it) their Maréchal Pétain? Did you try telling that to the French?

  355. Thorfinnsson says

    I think it’s quite natural to feel ashamed of defeat, and the French made mistakes in the summer of 1940 which contributed to their defeat. But mistakes happen in war, and there is no reason for them to be ashamed of the French Army.

    And yes, they were wrong to try and convict Marshal Petain for treason, and there were many Frenchmen who felt so at that time and still feel that way today. France was beaten, and French leaders rightly wondered why exactly they should stay in the war for the benefit of the Anglo-Saxons. A pro-Petain Frenchman actually comments on AK’s blog from time to time (Guillaume Tell).

    What the French ought to feel ashamed about is making false promises to the Poles and then sitting on their hands when most of the German Army was in Poland.

  356. TheTotallyAnonymous says

    I almost forgot to mention evil Putler’s war on women!

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/09/putins-war-on-women/

  357. To include only those who came over on the Mayflower would limit the definition of American to New England Puritans (or rather their descendants).

    So, you’ve decided to include all of those who came before 1910? That would seem to include most all of Black-Americans that you choose to characterize as a separate nationality? Why not include them in an all encompasing nationality, like indeed almost all Americans do today? Haven’t they earned this right through their contributions to this society? If not, why not set-up some sort of litmus test that also includes/excludes certain white groups too. Some, at this site (not I) would argue that due to a lesser overall national IQ, people of Balkan descent are somehow less Slavic. Perhaps, they aren’t made of the right stuff to be considered as Americans too? How about semitic peoples? Your method seems too arbitrary and untenable in today’s world. Who would be involved in setting up these strange litmus tests anyway? Some might even characterize this stuff as kooky? 🙂

  358. Is that 12000 women killed a year figure drawn straight from these people’s asses? That number is higher than the total number of murders each year.

  359. The Russians truly have warrior spirit.

    German field marshal Paul Ludwig Ewald von Kleist

    “From the very beginning, the Russians proved themselves first-class warriors. Our successes in the first months of the war can be explained by better training. Having gained combat experience, the Russians became first-class soldiers, and they fought with exceptional perseverance and had astounding endurance.”

    Napoleon Bonaparte

    “The most formidable army cannot successfully wage a war against an entire nation that has decided to vanquish or die”

  360. Sounds plausible. Victory has many fathers, whereas defeat is always an orphan. So, your version is that the French found a scapegoat to channel their shame to by blaming him for everything. I wouldn’t be surprised.

    As to logistics and weather, the memoirs of Manstein about Stalingrad battle are very revealing. He wrote (literally) that there were no roads, the mud was so deep that the tanks got stuck, and on top of everything there appeared Soviet tanks. He did not see the contradiction there, apparently. As the Russian saying puts it, his balls always impede a bad dancer.

  361. My point exactly. Toys don’t win wars, people do. Look at Afghanistan today: NATO troops with highly sophisticated and ridiculously expensive toys are afraid to venture out of their heavily fortified bases, whereas Taliban with Kalashnikovs and primeval warrior spirit roam the country freely.

  362. Thorfinnsson says

    No, the core Americans are British and Dutch whites who arrived prior to 1776. Other whites who have arrived since that time have assimilated in varying degrees.

    I don’t include blacks into an all-encompassing American nationality because that isn’t their identity. Black identity in America is defined by the shared experience of slavery, Jim Crowe, the civil rights struggle, etc. They are at best ambivalent about the things that define white Americans, and are more typically hostile.

    Most Americans have been intensively propagandized and brainwashed for decades to deny the reality of race and ethnicity. In short, they’re wrong, and their ancestors would’ve recognized that.

    Who said anything about test? We’re talking about nationality rather than citizenship.

    I don’t have a position on whether or not South Slavs are real slavs, though from now on it will be part of the large litany of insults I deploy against Balkanoid swine.

  363. Yea, the spirit is still there. Once in a century, Europe unites, makes war on Russia, gets beaten to pulp, and then slithers back into its hole and complains. Nineteenth century – Napoleon; twentieth century – Hitler, twenty first century – ?

  364. So folks like Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, Four Star General Colin Powell etc; etc; are in your opinion “ambivalent about things that define White Americans, and are more typically hostile”?

    Seems like a pretty contrived opinion based on stereotypes developed in the past. Well, we’re not going back to Jim Crowe or slavery, so I think that it’s time to try and integrate any of those that do fit into your negative stereotypes. Skin color is a function of genetics, like hair color or the color of ones eyes, not a determnant in and of itself of social values or the ability to advance socio economically.

  365. You’re technically wrong again, while carrying on like a propagandist with your Vlasovite label.

    Collaborate means to work with someone or an entity. A person collaborating in such a situation isn’t by default a traitor to someone or something else. As an example, the word collaborate (collaborated, collaborates, collaborating) has been used in relation to co-authors, who aren’t necessarily betraying anything/anyone in their collaboration with each other. Krasnov was if anything more of Nazi collaborator than Vlasov.

    Vlasov was for a strong Russia – a point which got him in trouble with some of the Nazi hierarchy. Within his ranks was the view that Stalin betrayed Soviet as well as Russian ideals, thereby making Stalin the traitor. At least part or all of that perspective is one that finds support among some on the left, as well as with pro-Russian/anti-Communist advocacy.

    Krasnov fluctuated between supporting a unitary Russia and the factually challenged view that the Cossacks are a separate ethnic group. He went along with the Nazi imagery of a Cossackia, something which the anti-Russian pro-Bandera Captive Nations Committee pushed for as well.

    BTW, the ROCOR and ROC-MP have expressed differences of opinion over Vlasov. The sovok view typically sees Vlasov as a traitor. Likewise, the pro-Bandera svidos don’t like him as well. Sovoks and svidos tend to not like pro-Russian/anti-Communist advocacy.

  366. The Germans had numerical superiority in many battles on the Eastern Front at the start of the war

  367. And the Germans advanced dozens of kilometers every day. What is your point?

  368. Thorfinnsson says

    So folks like Dr. Ben Carson, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, Four Star General Colin Powell etc; etc; are in your opinion “ambivalent about things that define White Americans, and are more typically hostile”?

    Colin Powell voted for Obama and actually has Jamaican origins. There’s currently a major dispute within the black community about whether or not more recent black immigrants (and their descendants) qualify as properly “black” in the American context. The nativist blacks push an identity that they alternatively call American Descendants of Slaves (ADOS) or Foundational Black Americans.

    As for the others, they’re white-acting blacks. You probably know what the rest of the black community thinks of them. Similarly you can find some debased whites who are culturally negrized, commonly referred to as wiggers.

    Seems like a pretty contrived opinion based on stereotypes developed in the past. Well, we’re not going back to Jim Crowe or slavery, so I think that it’s time to try and integrate any of those that do fit into your negative stereotypes. Skin color is a function of genetics, like hair color or the color of ones eyes, not a determnant in and of itself of social values or the ability to advance socio economically.

    Herculean efforts have been made to integrate negroes. These efforts have failed for a variety of reasons, one of which is that blacks themselves do not want to be integrated as this means the eradication of their identity. They want the opportunities, privileges, and rights (and then some) available in America, but they very much want to remain black.

    Skin color by itself isn’t a determinant of social values or the ability to advance socioeconomically, but is bound up with other genes which are.

    And personally, as a white man I would be opposed to successful integration of negroes as that means miscegenation and thus the undesirable introgression of negroid genes into our gene pool.

  369. Good comment.

    Especially:

    …..to remove anomalies and impurities from society and mentality, form a coherent national idea and forge unity comparable to Croat one. Which means that constructive criticism, ideas, innovation and work dedication…..

    I guess you guys (your types, that is….tiny minority there, apparently), have your work cut out for you.

    So, a question for you: orientation towards West or East?

    My impression is that a lot of problems your tribe has is related to the automatic, willful, rejection of whatever comes from the West. Whatever. Innovation and work dedication, for example. Which is funny because Serbs, in the West, could be quite innovative and definitely hard working.

    I guess you are talking about shift in the culture.
    If my guess is correct, would you care to expand on that?

    BTW. a couple of Serbs I know, here, do share your sentiment. Well, that’s why they are here, in fact. Not there.

  370. I only ever see Ukranians, Mongol fetishists and idiot Nordicists(the kind that want Russia to be reduced to just Novgorod-Moscow-Petrograd) claim certain Slavs are not real Slavs because
    I figure this deserves some discussion

    There is no Slav exclusive genetic makeup, partly because Slavs aren’t inbred Ashkenazis and partly because Slavs inhabited the area from Szeczin in the Baltic to Salonica on the Aegean and from the Elbe to the Pacific
    This does not mean that any Churka can claim to be a Slav, but
    Large chunks of German, Romanian, Albanian, Hungarian and Finno-Baltic peoples have identical genetic makeups as certain Polish, Ukranian, Serbian and Bulgarian groups, this is partly due to Communist regimes forcing minorities to convert to certain ethnicities and partly due to natural exchanges of population that happen gradually over centuries (it’s mostly the latter)

    If we split the Slavs into 2 groups the North and South (Divided by Hungary and Romania) then the most distinct haplogroup is R1a for Northern and I2a for Southern
    Anatoly himself is only 50% R1a master race, but I doubt he or anyone else would call him a half-Slav unless they were very autistic or just doing it for the sake of trolling

    Karlin would probably like some sort of set of genetic lines based around gene usefulness (high IQ, good health, etc.) getting defined for each group and Government policy encouraging procreation of certain genes over others, perhaps editing them into future generations, so every child in the Slavic Meme Union is as Blonde and intelligent as an R1a IndoEuro and tall and strong as a I2 ProtoEuro (apply narrative and stereotypes at your leisure)

    https://lundiak.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/europe_hg_with_predominant.png

  371. Well in those offensives and during the Soviet counter-offensives the Germans lost some of the most veteran of their troops, due to ferocious fighting
    The Germans still had the early (and temporary) numerical advantage, element of surprise and more experience to help them tip the scales during Barbarossa before getting outmatched by the end of 1941 and the operation failing

    I do dislike applying generalizations across the entire front since it had manpower, weapons and resources drawn from all across Northern Eurasia, meaning that wildly specific scenarios were playing out on certain sections of the front
    But whatever,
    in general the Soviets fought harder then the French but in general the Germans were also applying way more pressure on them then the they ever did on the French and officers from both sides in general were willing to go above and beyond to motivate their troops, from encouraging of hatred to blocking divisions (both sides used both tactics at different points of the war)

  372. blacks themselves do not want to be integrated as this means the eradication of their identity. They want the opportunities, privileges, and rights (and then some) available in America, but they very much want to remain black.

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/HEALTH/07/06/skin.color.vitiligo/art.mjsplit.gi.jpg

    Exactly which “opportunities, privileges and rights” was Michael Jackson seeking during his amazing skin color transformation? 🙂

  373. Rattus Norwegius says

    https://www.intellinews.com/zelenskiy-overtakes-putin
    -in-russian-popularity-polls-as-russians-become-increa
    singly-vocal-168133/?source=russia

    Also, something for you AK, from the The Conversation.
    “It is no surprise that, in the appending notes to The Year 4338, Odoevskii provides perhaps the very first methodology for a “general science of futurology”. He lays claim to being the first proper, self-conscious futurologist.”

  374. When and how could the French have fought harder? After roughly a week their war was lost. The point when simple soldiers understand it (and this information travels incredibly fast from headquarters to the simplest soldier – an example would be Germany in the aftermath of Ludendorff’s nervous breakdown), the army will disintegrate quickly, especially if they don’t think they are threatened with genocide (not the case in Soviet Russia or later in the war Nazi Germany, but definitely applies to France). It happened in Germany, Yugoslavia (1941 – do I have to explain it to a Serb?), France, everywhere.

    The Soviets stopped the German juggernaut when it outran its logistics, and then the rainy season halted the battle for two weeks. Then the Germans still managed to destroy huge army groups, but by November, far outside the limit of their logistics, they were finally halted by freshly raised new Soviet troops.

    As we (me and Thorfinnsson) wrote, the USSR was very big, and it had a very large population. France couldn’t have raised another army after the defeat of its troops, but it was overrun by the Germans anyway, so had no chance of doing so even if it had the population (which it didn’t).

    The USSR needed lots of efforts to improve the quality and raise the quantity of its troops, almost superhuman efforts. But it wouldn’t have been able to do so without being very big, having a very large population, and having allies elsewhere.

    (I used to spend a lot of time explaining the other side of the story, that the Soviets also needed to improve their quality, and that even seemingly stupid things like frontally attacking German strong points was not a sign of stupidity. But for some reason, maybe because it’s a Russian blog, I am mostly debating people who think that the Soviets were much better qualitatively than others or that they could have won on their own.)

  375. Russians are usually not thought of as supreme organizers, like, say, the Swiss, yet the war was an effort which they organized pretty well (after the initial setbacks).

  376. “Russians are usually not thought of as supreme organizers, like, say, the Swiss, yet the war was an effort which they organized pretty well (after the initial setbacks).”

    What the hell are you talking about. Have the Swiss organized anything on scale the Russians have? Have the Swiss ever organized a thing, like say, running the Moscow subway with daily commute of around 7 million commuters. I believe this number is on par with the entire population of Switzerland. LOL.

  377. The Swiss usually organize everything pretty well.

    Again, Russia being big is presented as a virtue. It is not.

  378. “The Swiss usually organize everything pretty well.
    Again, Russia being big is presented as a virtue. It is not.”

    Not an argument.
    The question was, when have the Swiss organized anything on scale Russians have?
    And yes, Russia being big is a virtue. Many have tried to build and organize big countries but failed.

  379. America is not an ethnic nation but an idea-nation.

    So an English-speaking Carib from London is an Englishman?

  380. Thorfinnsson says

    I don’t agree with the proposition nation theory of America.

    There’s a very simple problem with it–what about people who don’t believe in the idea?

  381. When have Russians organized anything as well as the Swiss do? The answer is never. Have Russians organized trains which are never (okay, rarely) late? In a very small corner of their country?

    Russia got big by being situated next to the steppe and Siberia. It was very bad until others elsewhere invented firearms, which the Russians adapted, and then could conquer the steppe nomads and Siberia relatively easily. (It also helped that the nomads empire was in the disintegration phase.) Russia would never have gotten that big in the middle of Europe cramped between other similar countries.

    Anyway, I cannot believe I’m here debating the very big brained idea that the Russians are better at organizing things than the Swiss.

  382. Yea, polls are remarkably trustworthy. I remember how they predicted 90-95% probability of cackling hyena’s win in 2016. If it weren’t for the damn reality…

  383. When have Russians organized anything as well as the Swiss do?

    Most recent FIFA World Cup got great reviews.

  384. You’re technically wrong again, while carrying on like a propagandist with your Vlasovite label.

    Are you a Vlasovite or not? Answer the question.

    Collaborate means to work with someone or an entity.

    In the context of World War II this is not how it is used.

    It is sad that English is the only language you speak, yet you need an English lesson.

    Here are the Miriam-Webster definitions American English):

    1. to work jointly with others or together especially in an intellectual endeavor
    2. to cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one’s country and especially an occupying force

    3. to cooperate with an agency or instrumentality with which one is not immediately connected

    Only point 2 is relevant to this discussion about World War II.

    Vlasov was a Soviet citizen and a Soviet general. The USSR was very much his country. He cooperated and willingly assisted the Germans who invaded and occupied his country, the USSR.

    Krasnov was never a Soviet citizen and was an avowed enemy of the Soviet state since its foundation. His cooperation with the Germans therefore cannot be classified as collaboration.

    Oxford (British English) definition of collaboration:

    https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/collaboration

    1. the act of working with another person or group of people to create or produce something
  385. a piece of work produced by two or more people or groups working together

  386. the act of helping the enemy during a war when they have taken control of your country

  387. Same thing applies.

    Why do I predict you won’t be grateful for the language lesson? 🙂

    :::::::::::

    Vlasov may have made whatever excuses he wanted, the fact is that by definition he was a collaborator, while Krasnov was not.

  • Okay, that’s a good example.

    My point was simply that the Swiss tend to organize everything rather well, while the Russians, on average, less so. I contrasted it with the fact that they organized their war effort in ww2 rather well.

  • It’s sad that you carry on on like a pathetically ignorant lout, in conjunction with being historically and intellectually challenged at times.

    By definition, Krasnov collaborated (worked with) with the Nazis and more so than Vlasov. Some specifics were provided which you evaded.

    I don’t know of anyone who has called them self a Vlasovite.

    Vlasov can and has been called a traitor – something that has been said of Stalin in terms of the belief that he betrayed the revolution.

  • I only ever see Ukranians, Mongol fetishists and idiot Nordicists(the kind that want Russia to be reduced to just Novgorod-Moscow-Petrograd) claim certain Slavs are not real Slavs

    So do geneticists:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg200754.pdf?proof=true

    If we split the Slavs into 2 groups the North and South (Divided by Hungary and Romania) then the most distinct haplogroup is R1a for Northern and I2a for Southern
    Anatoly himself is only 50% R1a master race,

    50% is the Slavic baseline. Different Slavic nations vary from thjso baseline – Russians are mixed a little with Finnic people, Poles with Germans, Ukrainians with Balkanoids, Belarussians with Baltic people (who are very much like Slavs anyways). But all of these people are Slavs.

    People like Serbs are not Slavs with some other admixture. They are the “other” , with some Slav admixture.

    Slavic language came from people moving south, which is why Slavic-speaking Balkanoids are about 25% descended from those northerners while non-Slavic speaking Balkanoid Albanians are not.

    Saying “If we split the Slavs into 2 groups the North and South ” is like saying “if you split Spanish people into two groups European and Central American” and pretending that Aztec/Mayan ancestry is one type of Spanish ancestry. No.

  • I don’t know anymore. The whole idea of nation and nation state is becoming more and more meaningless as time goes on. We may lament this fact, but it does seem to be the way that it’s going.

    At one time it wasn’t uncommon (and still isn’t) to have an American describe himself as a “Heinz 57” mix. This didn’t seem to cause any problems because ususally all of the intermixed ethnicities were of white European background. The idea is now being stretched becasue there are so many other races involved in the mix today. Most white Americans don’t seem to mind to mix – our cultural elite are only following a trend already well in motion for quite some time. I don’t think that white nationalism is really all that popular in the US.

  • I see you need more English lessons.

    Krasnov collaborated (worked with) with the Nazis

    Review again:

    to work jointly with others or together especially in an intellectual endeavor

    Did he write some academic papers together with Nazi scientists? No.

    Did he build something together with them? No.

    to cooperate with or willingly assist an enemy of one’s country and especially an occupying force

    He didn’t do that either. He wasn’t a Soviet.

    But Vlasov was. So Vlasov, but not Krasnov, was a collaborator.

    Stalin is irrelevant to the point of whether or not Vlasov was a collaborator.

  • You really are dense.

    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=WrGCXdHlCIzK_Qbii5iICQ&q=synonym+for+collaborate&oq=synonym+for+colloborate&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i10l2.615.6904..8703…0.0..0.325.1604.21j1j0j1……0….1..gws-wiz…….0j0i131j0i22i10i30.sza9cVdGdlY#spf=1568846179326

    work jointly on an activity, especially to produce or create something.
    “he collaborated with a distinguished painter on the designs”

    For your sake, get help.

  • You have recited the Pledge of Allegiance, haven’t you?

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all (not just white Americans of English or Dutch ancestry!).

    Are you admitting that you don’t really believe in it? You may be guilty of treason – think about it.

  • I don’t agree with the proposition nation theory of America.

    It is based on an idea created by 18th century protestant Anglo-Saxon people and thus inseparable from their particular culture. But others who assimilate into this culture are part of it, also. It is of course easier for Europeans to do so than it is for others but it is possible for anyone. Simplistically, English language, Protestant work ethic, free market ideal, limited representative government ideal, Christianity (in a form that supports the previous ones). Our occasional commenter Twinkie is Asian but very much an American.

    There’s a very simple problem with it–what about people who don’t believe in the idea?

    If they were born into this society they are still Americans.

    If theoretically the population ceases to believe in the American idea (see above) then America dies.

  • Thorfinnsson says

    Nations have been forming and dissolving for as long as there has been agriculture.

    You and AP are of Ukrainian descent. Once in the Ukraine there lived an Iranian nation called the Sarmatians. Actual Sarmatian blood didn’t disappear, and probably both of you have Sarmatian ancestors.

    The process of dissolution is currently ongoing in many countries. Where dissolution is not stopped, the host nation will dissolve and ultimately new identities will emerge.

  • work jointly on an activity, especially to produce or create something.
    “he collaborated with a distinguished painter on the designs”

    Yes, so which painting or academic work did Krasnov produce with German colleagues?

    None, so this definition does not apply to him. And it is not the definition involved in “Nazi collaboration.” Someone working with Albert Speer on some architecture project would not be a “Nazi collaborator.” (unless he was working for the German government and his country was occupied by the Nazis)

    This is the relevant definiton:

    a person who helps the enemy in a war, when they have taken control of the person’s country

    Are you starting to learn about your only language?

  • Thorfinnsson says

    The US Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, when the ethnic mix was considerably less confusing than today (though rapidly deteriorating even then). There’s also a common problem with people confusing nations and states, when the two are not necessarily related.

    And no, I don’t really believe in it. Liberty and justice for all don’t exist in America today, and while I do support justice for all I do not support liberty for all. And in reality nobody else does anyway, though most will profess to.

  • So, you’ve made and continue to make a pledg to ideas you don’t believe in and don’t support? That must feel awful?

  • Thorfinnsson says

    Postwar Americans harbor a peculiar delusion that phenotypic plasticity has no limits. Their ancestors didn’t, as you can see here: https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/06/lothrop-stoddards-reforging-america/

    One can find non-white Americans who behave and believe very much like Americans, but they’re outliers in their own racial groups. And as America’s demographics continue to deteriorate, all of the races who inhabit the United States will increasingly tend to select the environments for themselves which best fit their racial characteristics.

    If you do not already read Audacious Epigone’s blog, you should. He routinely shows polling data that demonstrates just how different the various peoples that inhabit the United States are.

    The basic problem with a idea nation, or more commonly called a proposition nation, is that carried to its limits it requires an ideological state which controls the means of propaganda and imprisons political dissidents.

    In other words, we’re talking about the Soviet Union. And the United States is taking an increasingly Soviet trajectory.

  • Thorfinnsson says

    The ongoing disintegration of the United States is what feels awful.

    It’s like that scene in Hitchcock’s Psycho.

    The girl is about to be murdered. You know she’s going to be murdered, and the murderer knows he’s going to murder her. But she doesn’t know, and scream as you might you have no way of informing her.

  • That was an example to show a working with relationship – something that Krasnov had with the Nazis. Once again, noting that he worked more closely with Nazi aims than Vlasov.

    Your purported linguistic skills don’t prevent you from flopping on this and some other matters.

  • That was an example to show a working with relationship

    I guess you don’t know what the words “especially to produce or create something” mean, just as you don’t know what the word collaboration means?

  • One can find non-white Americans who behave and believe very much like Americans, but they’re outliers in their own racial groups.

    They may have different abilities and temperaments but can be socialized into adopting basic American beliefs. Even if their particular abilities and temperaments are not as compatible as are those of northwestern Europeans to the American idea, this would only make then less successful Americans (less industrious or intelligent, so poor, worse impulse control, so more likely to be in incarcerated), yet still Americans. They would still take American ideas for granted, live by American rules to the best of their abilities, etc.

    The basic problem with a idea nation, or more commonly called a proposition nation, is that carried to its limits it requires an ideological state which controls the means of propaganda and imprisons political dissidents.

    In other words, we’re talking about the Soviet Union. And the United States is taking an increasingly Soviet trajectory.

    America prior to the 1960s did that without being a totalitarian state.

  • I do. You don’t, as has been clearly exhibited – at least for reasonably intelligent people.

  • You are making a pretty common mistake: equating Ukrainians with Ukies. The difference is about the same as between Germans and Nazis. Ukies represent maybe 5% of Ukrainian population. The fraction of Ukies among Ukrainian expats in the US and Canada is much greater, because most of those people are descendants of Hitler lackeys who ran away from the Red Army to avoid being hanged as Nazi collaborators. Ukrainians and Germans are humans you can work and argue with. In contrast, Ukies and Nazis are vermin. The only way humans should deal with them is like with cockroaches: either you exterminate them, or you have a recurring problem.

    LOL….magnificent ( and factually correct) comment. Same thing with normal Bulgarians, and the Euro-Atlanticist filth who control their institutions and distort their history in a country that is about 85-90% russophile.

    But is if funny how Ukraine is cursed with these ukies,,,particularly the vermin who went to US and Canada. Compare them to the the Irish in America and what positive things they did for Ireland …….for instance that famous Riverdance thing – the main female and male Dancers were Americans of Irish descent……sending money to Ireland ( not dwelling to much on the IRA thing which isn’t good) to the point that it is known around the world……investing in Irish businesses, promoting Irish culture in a positive and non-antagonistic way…and above all just having many talented people . Now compare that to the laughably nutjob primitive failures of ukrop descent in the US/Canada – the most useless and untalented imbeciles to have ever walked the earth. I am convinced that inbreeding is at high levels in their community

    BTW did you see that infamous picture of khokols gathered together like baboons, in an Italian court protesting the trial for murder of one of their sadistic scumbags who fought in Donbass ( killing an Italian photographer)?….it was hilarious because , like the most primitive undeveloped tribe in Africa, they were all wearing their vishivankas in the court , like is it some body armour!

  • Now compare that to the laughably nutjob primitive failures of ukrop descent in the US/Canada

    Who are richer than the average white American and a lot richer than Sovoks like you:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income

    1. Ukrainian American (2016): $72,449
  • But then Ukraine wouldn’t have its most pro-Russian politician

    hahahahaha!! – seeing as a whole flood of these collaborationist scum and their families fully bought into the Communist system and went very far in the hierarchy of that system over the next 50 years…….your moronic thinking is showing no signs of improvement . Pretty much all the major “anti-Russian” politicians have even more reason than Medvedchuk to be pro-Russian for reasons of how they got their wealth, cultural or their own family. Even most of the main dickheads in that “Svoboda ” party of this hyprocrisy you idiot/ The only person more Soviet , more hyprocritcally anti-Russian would be the KGB dyke bitch Grybauskaite, former President of Lithuania

    Many of the Nazi collaborators had previously been Sovok ones

    ..errr no you misdirecting cunt – the Nazi collaborators then switch over to the Soviet side you idiot…turncoats. Pretty much the most dishonourable, contemptible vermin in the whole of WW2

    Anyways, there is a difference between cooperation and collaboration. Vlasov was a collaborator; people like Pyotr Krasnov were not (nevermind what wiki says about him)

    Idiotic comparison…and idiotic sentence

  • If feels worse to pledge allegiance to the ideals the country betrayed.

  • LOL, Sovok “engineer” once again demonstrates that he can’t even count.

    How many Sovok families does it take to earn as much as one Ukrainian diaspora family? Seven?

  • Did you read that whole page? BTW, Ukrainian-Americans are in the 25th place, not 22nd.

    However, here are the other entrants:

    1. Russian American (2016): $77,841

    Worse yet, between Russian-Americans and Ukrainian-Americans there are 16 places. To add insult to injury, they are occupied, among others, by

    1. Bulgarian American (2016): $76,862
      13 Slovene American (2016) : $75,940
      14 Basque American (2016) : $75,864
      15 Lebanese American (2016): $75,337
      17 Sri Lankan American: $73,856
      19 Chinese American (2016): $73,788
      21 Malaysian American (2016): $72,827
      23 Iranian American (2016) : $72,733

    So, if you promote tribal pride, you shouldn’t have referred to this page. Your only hope is that Wiki is lying in this, like in everything else.

  • It’s like that scene in Hitchcock’s Psycho.

    Yeah, when America was closer to the ideals that you seem to be longing for, when America was mostly white and evenly homogenized, when life was slower and people were more civil to one another. Ah shucks, the hoardes of colored immigrants have ruined this idylic vision of white America:

    https://youtu.be/NG3-GlvKPcg

  • Did you read that whole page? BTW, Ukrainian-Americans are in the 25th place, not 22nd.

    I mistakenly wrote 23rd, not 22nd. But it is 25th out of 97.

    However, here are the other entrants:

    8. Russian American (2016): $77,841

    Worse yet, between Russian-Americans and Ukrainian-Americans there are 16 places. To add insult to injury, they are occupied, among others, by

    Most Russians include Jews. Jews are not a separate category. There are Israelis and Russians, tow of the richest groups on the census.

    Asians and Lebanese are of course wealthy. Iranians are rich exiles who fled the Revolution. There are few Bulgarians, they are probably some academics or elites. There is nothing surprising here.

    Compare Ukrainian Americans to most common Americans:

    1. Indian American (2016) : $110,026

    2. Italian American (2016) : $72,586

    3. Ukrainian American (2016): $72,449

    4. Scottish American (2016): $71,925[2]

    5. Swedish American (2016): $71,217
    6. Polish American (2016): $71,172
    7. English American (2016) : $67,663
    8. German American (2016): $67,306[2]
    9. Irish American (2016) : $66,688
    10. Scotch-Irish American (2016) : $64,187

    11. Cuban American : $57,000

    12. Mexican American : $38,000
  • In fact, Ukrainian-Americans also include Jews. Although most Jews from former USSR probably call themselves Russians. In my experience in many European countries traveling Ukrainians also prefer to call themselves Russians and speak only Russian publicly. I guess they are ashamed of their insane country. Many Ukrainians traveling to Crimea (there are more than a million every year, BTW) cite normalcy as one of the things that attracts them there.

  • In fact, Ukrainian-Americans also include Jews. Although most Jews from former USSR probably call themselves Russians.

    Correct. Even Jews from Ukraine almost always call themselves Russians. I’ve never heard of a Jew from Ukraine calling themselves a Ukrainian. Such may exist, but it is rare. So Jews would inflate Russian income but not Ukrainian one.

    In my experience in many European countries traveling Ukrainians also prefer to call themselves Russians and speak only Russian publicly.

    I haven’t seen that, on the contrary.

    BTW here is data from Canada:

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6d91/226ad81f14045d4be60a3002fcb4b6b8a1e8.pdf

    Appendix has it. Out of 14 European ethnic groups Ukrainians are in 5th place.

    So overall, Ukrainians in diaspora are well off.

  • In my experience in many European countries traveling Ukrainians also prefer to call themselves Russians and speak only Russian publicly. I guess they are ashamed of their insane country. Many Ukrainians traveling to Crimea (there are more than a million every year, BTW) cite normalcy as one of the things that attracts them there.

    I think that you’re mixing up your own disgusting janissaric views with the general feeling of most Ukrainians. People including Russians, however, are a fickle bunch. Most Russians now look more favorably on the new president of Ukraine, than they do on their own relic of the KGB past, 71% to 67% if you believe Levada. It appears that most Russians actually do look unfavoraably on the strong arm tactics that the Kremlin is applying to its opposition as of late.

    https://www.intellinews.com/zelenskiy-overtakes-putin-in-russian-popularity-polls-as-russians-become-increasingly-vocal-168133/?source=ukraine

  • Thulean Friend says

    This post basically just confirms that AK is nothing more than a racist libertarian. How is being against alcoholism “against your interests”? Laughably silly.

  • I think you have unknowingly contradicted yourself with the parts in bold.

    You must think harder and try to understand what the term average means.

    The sexual and romantic life of below-average men has always been very difficult. And they didn’t have all the dating opportunities that are currently available. You must be very young if you think that you’re witnessing anything new.

    But if the situation of these men is of great concern to you, the most practical measure is to allow grown-up women who are willing to cater for the urges of these men in exchange for money to do so. That alleviates the sexual part of this problem considerably (so much so that, even if you don’t allow it, members of both groups will do it anyway, as they have throughout history).

    I do NOT like the idea of a Church or any other authority dictating who must procreate with whom. But I don’t think that my preferred way of arranging reproduction: monogamous and stable families, is the most eugenic one, especially in these times of higher classes having less offspring than the lower ones.

    I have already read about the female “hypergamous” tendencies by Devlin before. Somebody provided a link on this site not long ago. To be honest, I don’t feel the need to learn through an online manifesto much more more about women than I already know. Women also have their very big problems, especially the below-average looking ones. We all just do what we can with the cards that we are given.

  • Thulean Friend says

    Water Refugees Heading for Water-Rich Europe

    As various reports show India approaching ‘Day Zero’ (the day when a place’s taps dry out and people have to stand in line to collect a daily quota of water), a top Indian expert has warned that Indians may soon become “water refugees” who’ll migrate to water-rich European countries. Rajendra Singh, a Magsaysay-winning conservationist and environmentalist, and popularly known as the “Waterman of India”, made this statement at the recently-concluded Stockholm International Water Institute.

    India is one of the most water-stressed countries in the world, with almost 50 percent of the country facing drought-like situation. In fact, 21 major Indian cities will start running out of groundwater by next year, affecting millions. But Singh adds that as more than 70 percent of aquifers in India dry up, people are going to start migrating westwards unless we fix it. He compared the situation to parched regions in Africa and Asia, from where people have migrated to European states and precipitated political crisis among and within the EU states. He also added that this may disturb the harmony of the world.

    However, even though it seems like much is lost, Singh says things can still be fixed. One could be to discontinue the use of mechanised herbicides and pesticides, which are messing with the water aquifer system. Other ways to salvage the crisis, he said, would be to develop water harvesting systems to protect our reservoirs from drying up in the sun. This way, the country can develop reserve banks of water even when there’s a drought-like situation. He also stressed on indigenous methods of water management, designed by the local people.

    But with the statistics suggesting much is lost, it’s safe to say that India is running out of time. “In fact, we have lost all the time to act,” said Singh. “A country whose 70 percent aquifers are dry has no time left.”

    Why you should A) care about environmentalism and B) why you should care how other countries in the third world are doing on that score.

    I happen to be less pessimistic than this guy. I think most of the issues are due to mismanagement and desalination plants, while not a silver bullet, are probably an underutilised resource. But the issue is serious and needs international attention.

    But most of the right-wing is too stupid and too narrow-minded to bother thinking about longer term issues except on demography and especially caring about developmental issues in the third world. You’re not going to shoot tens of millions of people migrating and if you think you are, you’re just a LARPer on the internet.

  • So what is in your mind insulting about having a lower household income than Basque or Slovenian Americans? Do you have any idea of what the per capita income of those nationalities is in their home countries and how it compares to the Ukrainian and Russian ones?

    That wikipedia entry is any case of little value because most American households contain mixed ancestries and the income of the few whose members all come from some single foreign country are distorted by the patterns of emigration that brought those people here, such as skilled-work and business visas.

  • That wikipedia entry is any case of little value because most American households contain mixed ancestries

    I don’t think the census entry was limited to single-ancestry people. People just chose their primary one.

    This is what it looks like:

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4360237/pages/DH-1-051617-p2-normal.gif

    the income of the few whose members all come from some single foreign country are distorted by the patterns of emigration that brought those people here, such as skilled-work and business visas.

    This may be true of small groups like Bulgarians (only 55,000 or so) but not so true of large groups like Italians (17 million), Ukrainians (nearly a million), Poles (10.5 million) etc. Or even Slovenes (170,000 of them).

  • Rattus Norwegius says

    Would be interesting to know when the ancestors of the nationalites listed arrived in USA. Aswell as how Americans of mixed ancestry are counted, and compare to “pure” nationalites.

    For example does Irish American include only recent immigrants, or does it also include the descendants of prior immigrants? Most likely both, but the proportion of recent to distant migration background is probably weighted most heavily in the distant direction. Ukrainian Americans are probably the opposite, which suggests that the Ukrainians that came to America had a higher educational background, than the Irish.

    Another factor that needs to be taken into account is the urban to rural ratio of the different nationalites. My guess is that German, English and Scoth-Irish Americans, are more likely to be rural than Italian or Indian Americans.

  • Rattus Norwegius says

    Are there not many Americans that are unable to chose a primary ancestry?

  • You sabotage your argument by trying to make meme comparisons with different races from entirely different continents
    Theres far less genetic difference between Poles and Croats or Russians and Bulgarians then with any European group and Latin Americans or Sub Saharan Africans

    A more apt comparison would be Danes and Germans, Irish and Brits or even North and South Italians

    Slavs are a European Ethno-Linguistic group, not some sort of trans-atlantic mixture
    So instead of splitting Spanish speakers this would be like splitting European Germanic people into two groups

  • anonymous coward says

    I do NOT like the idea of a Church or any other authority dictating who must procreate with whom.

    The equivocation in your post is simply disgusting.

    “Sex” to procreation is as chewing gum is to food.

    “Sex”, as the moderns practice it, is what you do precisely so you don’t successfully procreate.

    Now, sometimes accidents happen and “sex” does, indeed, lead to procreation, but the modern world views this as a horrible disaster and failure in safety practices, not as a natural result.

    If you want to save the West and not be relegated to an extinct tribe, the first thing you must do is to get rid of “sex”.

  • anonymous coward says

    Have Russians organized trains which are never (okay, rarely) late?

    Russian trains are never late. A 10 minute delay for a cross-country train is counted as an emergency and happens maybe once a year.

    Now compare to German trains, lol.

    In short, I applaud your mastery of dumb memes. Your grasp of reality – not so much.

  • There is a noticable push to erase the “be happy the train arrived at all” mentality in Eastern Europe
    Sovok organizers finally retiring

  • anonymous coward says

    Russia is not Eastern Europe. The trains ran on time during Soviet times too.

    In that sense Russia is a Northern European country – there is a a huge mentality of bureaucracy and ordnung in Russia that could put Germans to shame.

    (But in other areas like family structures not so much Northern European at all.)

  • “Anyway, I cannot believe I’m here debating the very big brained idea that the Russians are better at organizing things than the Swiss.”

    Rating needs similar metrics and similar order of magnitudes, hence the question, that you ignored by the way.

    We’ll never know how good Swiss are at running a system that ferries their entire population in a day, every day, all year long, like Moscow subway does.
    Here is another metric: how good are the Swiss at organizing a transportation system that ferries 100 million people over one weekend like Chinese do during the Lunar New Year?

    Instead, you raise the “beaten to death” cliche of Swiss trains running on time. LOL.

  • I am a fan of middle ages, but in this case my timeframe was more recent. There seems to be an inevitable ‘liberal‘ reaction after a few generations in most traditional societies. It is currently raging completely out of control in the West, but the initial impulse was not all bad. Whatever it is, we need to accommodate it. (I am on the record as being opposed to chastity belts.)

  • I doubt it. Everyone has a vague idea, at least. Biracial people can choose both.

  • …cliche of Swiss trains running on time.

    The trains run on time because they are very slow. Switzerland is not that well organised. It is tightly controlled, and people generally behave well, but the pace is leisurely and incompetence quite common.

  • You sabotage your argument by trying to make meme comparisons with different races from entirely different continents
    Theres far less genetic difference between Poles and Croats or Russians and Bulgarians then with any European group and Latin Americans or Sub Saharan Africans

    I was using the analogy to point out not extent of differences but extent of descent.

    Of course differences are much smaller between different European peoples. I am not claiming that Balkanoids are as different from Slavs as American black are from Europeans, or Guatemalan Mestizos are from Spaniards. However their Slavic descent is as small as is American blacks’ European descent.

    So a Balkanoid may be more like a Russian than is a half-Russian, half-African. But the half-Russian-half African will have more Slavic descent than will the Balkanoid.

    So this half-Russian, half-African soccer player is more of a Slav by blood than is any hardcore Serb nationalist:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/27_Stanislav_Lebamba.jpg/220px-27_Stanislav_Lebamba.jpg

    Or, an Italian will be more like a Spaniard than is a Guatemalan Mestizo. But the Guatemalan Mestizo will still have more Spanish descent than does the Italian. (I used Guatemalans because they are about 25% European; Mexican Mestizos are 40%+ European, which is more European than Balkanoids are Slavic).

  • The Moscow metro is always on time and comes every 2 minutes or less.

    But otherwise Russia is not a terribly time-oriented society.

  • Anatoly himself is only 50% R1a master race, but I doubt he or anyone else would call him a half-Slav unless they were very autistic or just doing it for the sake of trolling

    ~65% Slav.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1156653109894103048

  • How is being against alcoholism “against your interests”?

    Where did I say that? It is a major problem in Russia, though much receded in recent years. It is an almost inconsequential issue in most Western countries (only exception, and extremely partial even so: Finland).

  • When have Russians organized anything as well as the Swiss do? The answer is never. Have Russians organized trains which are never (okay, rarely) late? In a very small corner of their country?

    For Switzerland will not say, but where I live (St. Petersburg) trains go undoubtedly more accurately than in Germany (where for two days I was surprised to see the constant delay of trains).

    I take the train to work almost every day and these trains are never (okay, very rarely) late

  • Rattus Norwegius says

    There must be many people who are 1/2 Germand and 1/2 Irish, what should they chose? Others might be 1/2 Ukrainian, 1/4 German and 1/4 English.

    Also some nationalities and ancestral backgrounds might be more popular than others. Is it cooler to be Italian American, Irish American, Jewish American, Turkish American or German American?

    From Wikipedia on English Americans.
    “Demographers regard the reported number of English Americans as a serious undercount, as the index of inconsistency is high and many if not most Americans from English stock have a tendency to identify simply as “Americans”[6][7][8][9] or if of mixed European ancestry, identify with a more recent and differentiated ethnic group.”

  • In general, correct, but you picked perhaps the worst possible example. 🙂

  • I disagree

  • If someone insists on more than one, there is a line at the very bottom for some other one. However, I suspect most just go with whatever they feel closest to for some reason. If they were close to their Irish mother but not their Italian father, they will mark Irish. Or if they are half Irish, 1/4 German and 1/4 Polish they will mark Irish.

    Ukrainians tended to come later, to have more of an anti-mixing ideology, and have infrastructure to limit mixing (such as their own Catholic or Orthodox Churches), so they are purer than most of the other European ethnicities.

  • You base your claims on small sample researches done on modern day population in Serbia. Significant number of Gypsies (different subgroups), Cincars, Albanians, Montenegrins, Slavomacedonians, Hungarians and AH minorities assimilated/intermarried into Serbian ethnos in the last 200 years.

    To realistically gauge Serb genetics, three distinct subgroups should have been sampled – Herzegovina, Militärgrenze and Vojvodina aboriginals, not recent arrivals. These 3 groups were both isolated from another and didn’t mix with surrounding peoples. However, those who are aware of it and knowledgeable enough either don’t care or don’t commission genetical research, while those that carry them out are either foreigners or local Fachidioten. The same for average male height stats.

  • Herzegovina, Militärgrenze and Vojvodina aboriginals

    What about isolated parts of RS?

  • anonymous coward says

    It was very bad until others elsewhere invented firearms, which the Russians adapted, and then could conquer the steppe nomads and Siberia relatively easily.

    Siberia was conquered with this thing: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/c/c5/Doszczanik.jpg

    Not with firearms. In any case, the natives there at the time already had access to firearms; it’s not as if being situated right between Europe and China stifles information flow.

    Russia conquered Siberia because Russian logistics were far and above better than anything native tribes could muster. (The same reason why Russia beat Hilter and Napoleon.)

  • Thorfinnsson says

    If the state isn’t willing to defend its boundaries with force, including or perhaps especially against sympathetic women and children, then the boundaries might as well not exist.

    That of course doesn’t mean that one should ignore environmental (or other) issues or prefer a violent solution over precautionary measures. Really, the appropriate strategy is defense in depth in which violence is the last line of defense. But that line must exist.

    And as for India’s water issues, I’m not sure how we solve their water problems. Witness Macron’s recent jungle safari to see how such overtures are received.

  • Thorfinnsson says

    It’s not an inconsequential issue.

    Alcohol is the single most used and abused drug in America. According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), nearly 14 million Americans (1 in every 13 adults) abuse alcohol or are alcoholics. Several million more adults engage in risky drinking patterns that could lead to alcohol problems. The costs to society in terms of lost productivity, health care costs, traffic accidents, and personal tragedies are staggering. Numerous studies and reports have been issued on the workplace costs of alcoholism and alcohol abuse, and they report costs that range from $33 billion to $68 billion per year. Alcohol is a major factor in injuries, both at home, at work, and on the road. Nearly half of all traffic fatalities involve alcohol. Please see the Appendix – The Disease of Alcoholism for a further discussion of alcoholism.

    In the workplace, the costs of alcoholism and alcohol abuse manifest themselves in many different ways. Absenteeism is estimated to be 4 to 8 times greater among alcoholics and alcohol abusers. Other family members of alcoholics also have greater rates of absenteeism. Accidents and on-the-job injuries are far more prevalent among alcoholics and alcohol abusers.

    https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/worklife/reference-materials/alcoholism-in-the-workplace-a-handbook-for-supervisors/

    I’ll add a caveat that a lot of do-gooders tend to set the bar for alcoholism too low, but it’s unlikely it’s set so low that the quoted figures are off by an order of magnitude.

    And as noted previously, today alcoholism is frequently bound up with other forms of drug abuse which are often far more harmful.

    With the exception of DUI enforcement, the issue is also mostly ignored. Alcohol consumption has increased in this century, and formally taboo activities such as daytime drinking or even drinking while buying groceries have been normalized.

    That said, alcohol abuse in the West is substantially lower than it was a half-century ago during the heyday of the three martini lunch.

  • Repeat: polls are remarkably trustworthy. I remember how they predicted 90-95% probability of cackling hyena’s win in 2016. If it weren’t for the damn reality…

  • Personally, I don’t believe anything Wiki (or NYT, or WaPo, or CNN) is saying. What’s more, I deeply despise primeval tribalist mentality. I agree with your point, which is the point Disraeli made long ago, that there are lies, blatant lies, and statistics. However, this must be insulting for the tribalists, like AP appears to be.

  • Those morons “helped” a lot their fellow ape, who happened to be a murderer. The judge convicted that scum and gave it an even longer prison time than the prosecution asked for. Rumor has it that its lawyer, after hearing the verdict, had a heart attack. They thought that in Europe you can behave like an utter swine and that kind of behavior helps fellow swine. Well, they could’ve learned that Italy is not their pigsty of a country if they only had brains.

  • In my experience, there is only one country where the trains always run on time – Japan. Their railway service would collapse otherwise: many East-West lines across mountains are single track, with the second track only at stations. Their high speed (Shinkansen) lines are used by trains with different speeds and number of stops. Switzerland comes second in terms of timeliness. Germany is nowhere near that. Swiss have other quirks. E.g., their ticket machine on a station near Zurich first asked me what language I prefer: German, English, or French. I found experimentally that regardless of your answer, it talks to you only in German after that.

  • Many Ukrainians traveling to Crimea (there are more than a million every year, BTW) cite normalcy as one of the things that attracts them there.

    So where do you come up with these obscure and questionable “facts”?…

  • An excellent response. At the very least, one can conclude that modern Serbs are only about 25% Slavic by descent. If the isolated groups you mention turn out to be as Slavic as Ukrainians, or Slovenes, or others this may indicate that medieval Serbs, unlike modern ones, were Slavs. Though it may also mean they have always been Slavs surrounded by non-Slavs, like those enclaves of blonde blue eyed people in the mountains of Pakistan.

    Has anyone analyzed medieval Serb remains?

  • This question requires two answers.

    One – numbers. There are many sites reporting that every year more than a million Ukrainian citizens cross the border to Crimea. As a Ukie, you can get info from a Ukrainian site: partial stats for 2018 are here https://apostrophe.ua/news/society/2018-10-10/stalo-izvestno-skolko-ukraintsev-syezdili-na-otdyih-k-okkupantam-v-kryim/143053

    As to reasons why Ukrainians visit Crimea in droves, there are so many interviews and videos on the web that it’s impossible to give all links. You can scan search results here https://yandex.com/video/search?text=%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B8&path=wizard&noreask=1
    Some Ukrainians are even fearlessly honest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F7MagYs_JQ

  • It’s been my pleasure to have visited the Crimea, when it was “Ukie”and not a part of “Putlerstan” It was nice then and I’m sure that it’s nice now. I suspect that as far as the hospitality business goes, it’s being run by mostly the same people with not a whole lof of changes. It’s also been my experience to speak with Ukrainians firsthand that have always given a thumbs up to the resorts in Romania and Bulgaria on the Black Sea over the ones in Crimea, not to mention Turkey too. Costs are competitive and amenities are on a much higher scale in these countries.

  • We are talking past each other. You are taking an uncharacteristically (for you) moralistic perspective – understandable, considering your struggle 🙂 – I am looking at the big picture.

    $68B is a rounding error in the context of the US economy.

    In Finland, the country with the worst alcoholism problem in the West, only 2% of aggregate mortality accrued to alcohol in some way – and that was according to WHO figures more than a decade ago, it is surely even lower now.

    In the US, this figure is much lower than 1%. I.e., irrelevant.

    The opioid epidemic is not irrelevant – it is largely on account of that single factor that US LE improvements have stalled for the past decade, while they kept on improving throughout the rest of the West.

    As you correctly note, drinking was a bigger problem back in the days of American Greatness. And it was an even bigger problem for part of 19C.

    But even in the days of the “Alcoholic Republic” much less aggregate mortality accrued to alcohol abuse than in 1990s-mid 2000s Russia, when it was at 33%.

  • Never been in Romania. I’ve been in Bulgaria some years back, in Crimea in 2015, and in Turkey in 2013. Turkey and Greece (where I was three times in the last 15 years) can compete with Crimea, Bulgaria is nowhere near. However, for the pale-skinned people (e.g., Slavs) the sun in Turkey and Greece is too fierce, whereas in Crimea, which is far to the North of them, they can be in the sun for hours w/o fearing sunburn.

    Good accommodations in Crimea aren’t cheap, but there are cheaper ones for those on a tight budget (or even pigsties and dog kennels that Crimeans used to rent to Ukrainians before 2014). Food is much cheaper in Crimea than in Turkey or Greece, especially Tatar food, which is available everywhere and quite delicious.

    Many roads were repaired and improved even in 2015, but side roads remained in their Ukrainian state back then. Likely got much better now.

  • I stayed in three areas within the Crimea, way back in 2000: Sudak, Gurzev and Kerch. Kerch was the least memorable and the cheapest (least expensive). Basically a bed within a small building about 200 feet from the sea. We were there for only about 2 days, so who’s to complain at $5 per night? Sudak was cheap too, but I don’t remember how much, and we only slept there for one night? Gurzev had the nicest accomodations at about $35 per night, in one of the former(?) youth hostels. A room with two small beds and a usable small shower room and toilet. It was a real bargain in that the price included 3 meals a day for two (!). We only made it for breakfast and dinner, choosing to have lunch somewhere off the beaten path. The meals were good, I remember eating fish and potatoes and vegetables. The dining room was large and accomodated upwards of 100 people. Nobody hassled me for speaking Ukrainain (as I’m afraid might be the case today), and everybody seemed to get along just fine. I’m sure the prices are mugh higher today – probably not a lot of renovation or change.

    The whole Russian language issue in the Crimea was a bunch of BS – the vast majority spoke Russian and no real pressure was ever put on anybody to switch to Ukrainian. I personally know a guy who studied at the only Ukrainian language high school within the Crimea. Banderites, walking the streets with guns loaded if they heard any Russian, right comrade? What a bunch of BS!

  • What do I know, I only printed what I read…(it did seem kind of strange, so I believe your rendition).

  • I was in two places: Ordjonikidze near Feodosia and no name place (I don’t remember the name) 20 min drive from Yalta. Both right on the beach, both had two large rooms with two queen beds. We spent a week in each. Neither was cheap, but we weren’t looking for cheap. In fact, in 2015 more upscale places sold out faster (via Internet; we booked everything from the US). Stayed about a week in each. We did not want any food, as we travelled a lot on our rental car: visited Sevastopol, Bakhchisarai, royal palaces, Voloshin cave, Ayu-Dag, Aivasovsky museum in Feodosia, Yalta and Chekhov museum there, etc. Food choice was good everywhere, at all prices. I liked borsch and Tatar food best. Tatars were doing brisk business in food and transportation (a ride up Ayu-Dag), as well as in selling clay things (some simple, some high art). Interestingly, I gave both landlords and rental car company choice of dollars or rubles, and they all wanted rubles only (somewhat inconvenient for me, but we managed to exchange, even got some from ATM in Moscow). Car rental service was good: they brought our car (I wanted automatic transmission) to Simferopol airport (greatly expanded by that time, flights were landing every 10-15 min) by the time of our arrival, and picked it up again at the airport when we departed. The sea was unusually warm (+24oC most of the time), the weather was perfect, not too hot. I have great memories of that trip, much better than of Crimea I visited as a kid in Soviet times. Main roads were good, side roads bad – pretty much like the road from Donetsk airport to Lugansk I used to ride when I visited my mother before the war: there were flights to Donetsk from Munich and Istanbul, but no international flights to Lugansk. You had to drive our rental low-sitting Mercedes carefully on side roads. Once road police stopped me for driving w/o headlights (in Russia you must have your headlights on even during the day). They told me what I did wrong but did not even hint at a bribe. Huge contrast with Ukrainian road police on the Donetsk-Lugansk road, who were only looking for bribes and told you so in no uncertain terms. I plan to drive in over Crimean bridge after they finish expanding Kerch-Simferopol highway, maybe next year, maybe 2021. Will have a chance to stop at Kerch: I’ve never been there. There are lots of archaeological digs around it.

    Of course, Crimeans always spoke Russian: Crimea never was Ukraine, and never will be. Plaques on all official buildings and all documents were in Ukrainian, though, so people had to translate. You can speak Ukrainian now, but few would be happy to hear it. I tried speaking Ukrainian once, and people simply recoiled. I blame current Ukrainian government and Ukies in general for associating this beautiful and perfectly innocent language with their idiocy. The whole USSR used to sing Ukrainian songs. Not any more. On the Internet (where you can watch TV or listen to the radio now), whenever you hear Ukrainian, the speakers invariably spew awful BS typical of “svidomy” morons. To the best of my knowledge, Montyan is the only person saying something sensible in Ukrainian now.

    Current government switched all schooling to Ukrainian and tries to impose quotas on TV, radio, and the rest of the media. I guess that’s understandable: when you can’t achieve anything meaningful, you have to pretend that you are doing something.

  • Everything you speak betrays the soul of a janissar – your master’s language, culture, history, economy is better than your own. The soviets did a wonderful job in russifying Ukraine, and you’re a prime example of the soviet man that they were trying to create, who thought and dreamt in Russian. Too bad for you that it didn’t work, and you now have to live in the country of your former adversary – why not move and live in splendid Russia? Sure you might make a few less bucks, but then agiaa you wouldn’t feel so much like a Gastarbeiter. eh? 🙂 Take AK as an example!

  • Typical view of someone who never lived in Ukraine. This might be true in your mythological Ukraine, but is completely false here on Earth.

    I live where I can do what I do best – scientific research. It is non-military and the results are always published, available to humans everywhere.

  • Nice catch.

    I suspect Zelensky’s popularity in Russia would be over 20% however.

  • “Core Americans” – are native nationalities like Sioux or Cherokee, who have some thousands of years of connection to the country.

    The rest of population of America, are descendants of a random mix of peasants from European countries, or even Africa – who arrived in the country by almost accidental impulse of one of their ancestors, and have only recent, if any, real connection to its land.

    And that is precisely stimulus for why America is so innovative – a country of alienated immigrants, who are constantly revolutionizing their way of life, partly as an attempt to recompense the terror of living on the wrong side of the Atlantic Ocean from their heritage.

    In my opinion. apotheosis of the “American project”, are probably the Mormons of Utah, and Mitt Romney in particular.

    In Utah, there is a completely artificial and bizarre nationality, based on believing Jesus had emigrated to America 2000 years ago (https://www.comeuntochrist.org/blog/what-jesus-christs-visit-to-the-americas-means-to-us ).

    And yet somehow Mormons of Utah have created a more successful life on idiotic, artificial soil, than people living in normal Europe. This is an impressive example of “will to power” in America.

  • OK, my first instinct was right.

    By Turks do you mean (also ) Mughals?

  • Your view is sounding a little like Schopenhauer – in one of his less intelligent writing.

    “In London alone there are 80,000 prostitutes. Then what are these women who have come too quickly to this most terrible end but human sacrifices on the altar of monogamy? The women here referred to and who are placed in this wretched position are the inevitable counterbalance to the European lady, with her pretensions and arrogance. Hence polygamy is a real benefit to the female sex, taking it as a whole. And, on the other hand, there is no reason why a man whose wife suffers from chronic illness, or remains barren, or has gradually become too old for him, should not take a second. Many people become converts to Mormonism for the precise reasons that they condemn the unnatural institution of monogamy.”

    But Schopenhauer’s view depends on historical conditions. For most of history, as a result of far greater violent and accidental deaths reducing the number of men – women have been more numerous than men even in the younger age groups. But in developed countries of the 21st century, this is not the situation.

  • Women “selling their bodies” can encompass a wide spectrum of behavior and conditions though.

    At one end, it can involve dangerous “streetwalking” and operating in dirty brothels for very low pay and dealing with dangerous, unsanitary, disgusting conditions and customers. The vast majority of women will certainly recoil from this and only the most desperate women will pursue it.

    At the other end, you have high-end “modeling” and “escorting” where the women sell sex or have extended relationships with wealthier men for very high pay and in luxury accommodations such as luxury hotels and the residences of wealthy men. Certainly more women find this more tolerable than the aforementioned “streetwalking”, although it’s also the case that this option is open to fewer women.

    Also at the other end is not the formal transactional selling of sex, but women seeking relationships with men who are well off or at least economically secure.

  • Nationalities like Serbs and Bosnians are probably descendants of the Ancient Illyrians.

    However, racially/genetically what do you mean by pure Slavs. Poles?

    Genetically, Poles are unrelated to the Balkans races, but also not very related to a lot of Russia from around East from Nizhny Novgorod or North from Rybinsk.
    https://i.imgur.com/5eIO80u.png

  • In the genetic map of Romanians, there is probably indication of the Ancient Illyrians, from the location in Eastern Italy (area of Illyrian settlement in Italy).

    https://i.imgur.com/kyClqEK.png

    Modern Balkans nationalities have a close genetic relation – if we believe the maps – to areas where Ancient Illyrians had lived, as modern Romanians and Eastern Italians.

    https://i.imgur.com/y3Rd2sA.png

  • German_reader says

    For most of history, as a result of far greater violent and accidental deaths reducing the number of men – women have been more numerous than men even in the younger age groups.

    Large numbers of women died in childbirth before modern medicine, so I’m not convinced at all this is true.
    imo you’re wrong about “core Americans”, despite some silly pc mythology Amerindians had no role in creating the polity known as the US, which was the creation of British Protestants.
    I’m in full agreement with Thorfinnsson about the nature of ideological nations and their likely endpoint. The same process is also clearly discernible in the federal republic of Germany with its Verfassungspatriotismus (constitutional patriotism, based on an absurd worship of Germany’s quasi-sacred Basic Law) and ever more hysterical “antifascist” state ideology whose implicit end goal is the dissolution of all ethnic and cultural sense of nationhood.

  • women died in childbirth

    Women dying in childbirth does not reduce number of women in first marriage group. (Except those who become pregnant illegitimately).

    It can free ex-husbands to remarry I guess, but the dynamic of women outnumbering first marrying men in first marriage would be very common in most of history.

    creating the polity known as the US

    But this is abstract political philosophy, which might be relevant to political science or legal theory, but not to rootedness in the land.

    The land itself is a foreign and alien one to the immigrants – and you feel this quite strongly when you visit particularly subtropical parts like Southern California (it’s a very foreign and alien climate – as well as wildlife and fauna – for Northern European races who arrived their quite randomly, although at least their own impulsion unlike African immigrants)

  • Thorfinnsson says

    America is a European word. Indians weren’t US citizens (or, prior to this, British subjects) or even taxed until 1925. They’re certainly not core Americans, and in fact the American nation was forged in part because of three centuries of conflict with the Indians.

    Calling Indians core Americans is like calling Scythians core Russians.

    The Mormons however are indeed a very American story.

  • Core Americans in terms of their relation to the land, are the primitive people who had ancestors in the same place for thousands of years, and can talk to the coyotes, and know the secrets of the cactus, and which were portrayed (i.e. the non-English brown ones) in the film “Last of the Mohicans”.

    This is the people who have the most blood connection to the land, of course. Just as Celts have most ancestry connection to Ireland.

    On the other hand, “core American” in terms of relation to the abstract political system that was created in America and resulted in USA – they are surely, the English landowners, who have knowledge of John Locke, and desire for taxation only with representation, etc.

    Locke introduces a theory of property, where something can becomes your property if you add your labour to it.
    https://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtr05.htm

    So then property, becomes accessible to anyone who can contribute mix their labour to the land (even if they are immigrants with no history of ancestors on the land).

    Locke writes very poetically…

    Thus this law of reason makes the deer that Indian’s who hath killed it; it is allowed to be his goods, who hath bestowed his labour upon it, though before it was the common right of every one. And amongst those who are counted the civilized part of mankind, who have made and multiplied positive laws to determine property, this original law of nature, for the beginning of property, in what was before common, still takes place; and by virtue thereof, what fish any one catches in the ocean, that great and still remaining common of mankind; or what ambergrise any one takes up here, is by the labour that removes it out of that common state nature left it in, made his property, who takes that pains about it. And even amongst us, the hare that any one is hunting, is thought his who pursues her during the chase: for being a beast that is still looked upon as common, and no man’s private possession; whoever has employed so much labour about any of that kind, as to find and pursue her, has thereby removed her from the state of nature, wherein she was common, and hath begun a property.

  • Northern Russians:

    https://site.ua/uploads/post_body_images/3405/59df18e0eed44.jpg

    Southern and Central Russians:

    https://site.ua/uploads/post_body_images/3405/59df1907b6d48.jpg

    Ukrainians:

    https://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/map-genetics-ukrainians.jpg

    Looks like there may be some truth to the idea of Croats coming from western Ukraine, where the White Croat tribe lived. Also Slovaks are very close to Ukrainians.

    Something is weird about those maps (I don’t know their source). Why would Russians from Perm or Samara be completely different from Russians from Saratov. Do these map only consider the indigenous pre-Slavic population of those territories east of the core Slavic areas? That’s the only way those maps make sense.

  • These maps are made by Oleg Balanovsky (and his wife), and comparing supposedly current population samples of these cities.

    Divide of the country into two different genetic groups, created a lot of controversy for him, you can read now.

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    But are Americans more innovative than Australians or white south Africans during apartheid or the British during the peak of the Empire?…are they actually more innovative than the Israeli’s? Or the Japanese ? Or the Germans?

    Essentially there are the same positive characteristics between all the Anglo-settled Empire parts of the world – Canada/US, South Africa/Rhodesia (for the white population until the 1980’s), Australia/New Zealand…..all countries with plenty of open space and chance for prosperity and all having the same arrogant/bombastic big country vs humble/reserved dynamic ( huge generalisation, I know) between the sets of neighboring countries.

    America would still be a hugely wealthy country without the flood of immigrants from Europe from the last quarter of the 19th century until the end of WW2. It and the world would be significantly different, but it would still be wealthy.

    Other things to look at would be the less than conservative amount of credit that is available and handed out gratuitously there(whoever the government is)……..the much higher interest rate on that credit/loan compared to most other western countries(motivations vs “complacent” Euro’s?).

    Now don’t get me wrong…..gun rights and the mass production and mass ownership of cars are two huge drivers of freedom , and they are a big part of US identity – but I don’t think that or any of the other things linked to “freedom” are as strongly related to business success as they try and tell the rest of the world

  • But are Americans more innovative than Australians or white south Africans during apartheid or the British during the peak of the Empire?…are they actually more innovative than the Israeli’s? Or the Japanese ? Or the Germans?

    Essentially there are the same positive characteristics between all the Anglo-settled Empire parts of the world – Canada/US, South Africa/Rhodesia (for the white population until the 1980’s), Australia/New Zealand…..all countries with plenty of open space and chance for prosperity and all having the same arrogant/bombastic big country vs humble/reserved dynamic ( huge generalisation, I know) between the sets of neighboring countries.

    America would still be a hugely wealthy country without the flood of immigrants from Europe from the last quarter of the 19th century until the end of WW2. It and the world would be significantly different, but it would still be wealthy.

    Other things to look at would be the less than conservative amount of credit that is available and handed out gratuitously there(whoever the government is)……..the much higher interest rate on that credit/loan compared to most other western countries(motivations vs “complacent” Euro’s?).

    Now don’t get me wrong…..gun rights and the mass production and mass ownership of cars are two huge drivers of freedom , and they are a big part of US identity – but I don’t think that or any of the other things linked to “freedom” are as strongly related to business success as they try and tell the rest of the world

  • Obviously, in the maps though he hasn’t sampled further East of a certain area, so it looks misleading in the presentation for Russia.

  • Difference between northern and other Russians makes sense. But how do Russians from Urals become completely different from those in Europe? That makes no sense. Unless the map looks at non-Slavic people native to those areas.

  • There were dots out there. I suspect they were some Bashkir or whatever villages.

  • I suspect Zelensky’s popularity in Russia would be over 20% however.

    LOL……it’s pretty obvious that he would have popularity in Russia,…..the country that made him famous, the country where ( laughably) he would have to travel to in order to be able to see all his films because some of his films are actually banned in Ukraine( and regularly on Rossiya/Perviy Kanal), the country that gave him his biggest audiences and exposure, the country whose language he used in his comedic work and in his political comedy that basically got him elected by the Ukrainian population…and where most of his financing- directly or indirectly inevitably comes from

    As for political popularity – that would be closer to 0% than to 10% you idiot. Nobody in Russia wants part of the failed Ukrainian freakshow you dumb prick

  • Cultural diversity in America, was also coming a lot from the political system, that created a federal system of different states, and the separation of religion from state which allows people like the Mormons to develop freely.

    Mormons in Utah have classical choirs which are singing hymns about Planet Kolob (the planet where they believe Mormons will settle after they die).

    I’m not sure any other country in the world would allow such a nationality to develop. (And yet Mormons today are very successful people despite their bizarre ideology).

    Here is planet Kolob.

    https://mythology.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Where-is-Kolob.jpg

    And here video of Mormon classical choirs can sing about Planet Kolob.

  • For example, in the Northern Russian map, it looks like he hasn’t sampled Northern Russian populations further East than border between Republic of Komi and Arkhangelsk. (And just painted it all red East of that border).

    But it creates a very misleading impression in this map.

  • German_reader says

    and you feel this quite strongly when you visit particularly subtropical parts like Southern California

    Maybe, but it probably feels rather different in a state like West Virginia where many people may well have family roots in the region going back to the 18th or even 17th century.

  • Maybe the difference isn’t clear for the uninitiated. “Being involved” in scientific research and actually doing it at the level that produces meaningful results are two different things. It’s roughly like between “being involved” in movie industry (say, as a cleaner) and starring in a movie. Say, if you are a skilled Formula 1 driver, would you settle for driving a donkey?

    At the moment Russian biomedical research is nowhere near the level of top places. There are many high-class labs in the US, a few in Europe, China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, etc. The US used to produce ~80% of high quality world research in the 1990-s. Now its share is down to 35-40%, but it is still large. Besides, like in every place full of bottom-feeders, there would be lots of envy and ill will in the Russian Academy of Sciences: I have more good papers and citations than most Academy members in these areas. In biomedical research Russia as a country is somewhere in the 30-s in the world (before you ask, Ukraine is in the 80-s or 90-s).

    It might be hard to comprehend for people who don’t give a hoot about their job, but for me the quality of my work is paramount. Both geography and pay are secondary considerations. I get out of TN (and the US) for vacations, and I don’t have time to spend what they pay me, anyway. If the Congress keeps doing its level best to kill American science, I’ll have to move somewhere like China or Singapore. If Russian government comes up with a viable program of developing basic biomedical science, I’d consider Russia, too.

    BTW, the plan in the new Ukrainian budget is to starve science even further. About 244 billion hryvnas are allocated for the army and police, and about 2 billion (less than 1% of that) for science.

  • For my amateur eyes, many Balkan nationalities look similar to Romanians and Southern Italians, which supports Balanovsky’s maps probably.

    Here is Belgrade University in Serbia. (to me they look similar to South-East Italians)

    If you compare to students in Bari in Southern Italy

    If you compare North Western Italian students in Milan (where Illyrians did not settle), they do not look so similar.

    With Romanian students in Bucharest (which have probably Illyrian descent), there might be something slightly similar.

  • Sure perhaps in the 21st century people are now feeling very rooted in the land, with 8 or more generations living there, but at least when Jefferson builds Monticello in the 18th century, even Virginia would have seemed exotic.

    Latitude of the location of Monticello, is the same as Athens or Sicily. And then he populates the land outside his mansion with African slaves, which would be probably singing African songs as they work in the plantation.

  • German_reader says

    What’s your point? None of this changes the fact that British Protestants (and to a lesser extent other Northwest European Protestant groups) were the dominant group shaping the US in the first 200 years of the polity.
    You wouldn’t call Arabs “core Israelis” either. Calling Amerindians “core Americans” is even sillier.

  • Latitude of the location of Monticello, is the same as Athens or Sicily.

    Sure, but climate is like continental.

  • I agree.

  • The only reason the USSR did not fold in the summer of 1941 is because it had a lot more manpower to throw away, in the 3rd quarter of 1941 alone the Soviets recruited 6.3 million fresh men, the equivalent of 450 rifle divisions, and than it went on to raise another 1.9 million in the 4th quarter of 1941. In 1941 alone therefore the USSR raised 8.2 million fresh troops to augment it’s existing force of 4.9 million meaning it had fielded by the end of 1941 over 13 million men, France could not even hope to field half that number.

    By the beginning of 1942 there were only 7 million soldiers in the military, meaning the Germans had eliminated over 6 million soviet troops from the order of battle in 6 months, I don’t know how any army including the french could have taken those losses, the french didn’t even have 6 million men to fight with. To give an idea of how extreme those losses are, the Germans lost for the whole duration of the war on the eastern front, 4 million men killed and captured, the soviets lost more men in 1941 alone than the Germans did for the whole war on the eastern front.

    The USSR definitely did not survive because it refused to surrender, it survived because it had the manpower to survive immense losses, soviet troops on the other hand surrendered in massive quantities, for all the talk about the fighting spirit of the Red Army, millions upon millions of red army troops surrendered in 1941 in the biggest mass surrenders in world history.

  • Albanians:
    Serbs:
    They look similar, Serbs are lighter.

    This is clearly a ridiculous (in this case) way of comparing.

    Serbs are also similar to (for example) Spaniards

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KZR53t1qbSc/VDJ0kw4j7WI/AAAAAAAArx0/GfYHYOh7dcg/s912/SvecaniPrijemBrucosaPFB-062.JPG

    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5110/5609629645_48edc6a1a1_b.jpg

    https://www.arbitrationassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/BGMoottim2016.jpg

    http://cmapspublic2.ihmc.us/rid=1176747146049_1220501028_10153/alumnos%20espa%D0%93%C2%B1oles.jpg

    Also Serbs will be similar to Italians, Greeks, Ukrainians…. any people with a predominant southern European phenotype.

  • This is very approximate, but seems mostly correct division of the European peoples by origin (although strangely the unification of the Finns with the peoples of the Northern Urals)

    https://d1softball.net/wp-content/uploads/ktz/map-of-europe-1600-ad-37ipi4w3m0czz8xbf3v668.jpg

  • Kent Nationalist says

    “Core Americans” – are native nationalities like Sioux or Cherokee, who have some thousands of years of connection to the country.

    Core Americans are the descendants of the Australian Aborigines the Amerindians genocided.

  • Kent Nationalist says

    So strange that a Jew would try to subvert someone’s identity

  • How do you find the Slavic content in an individual looking at Y-DNA research? Would that mean that R1a Indians are more Slavic than Carpathian and west Rus’ I2a?

    There is a thorough genetical research underway – Serb DNA Project. https://dnk.poreklo.rs/DNK-projekat/
    It laid to rest Turk nonsense peddled by some, while discovering even Saxon (miners, burghers), Norman (Zeta, Dyrrachion), Celtic (4th, 3rd century BC arrival) and Gothic (migration) descent among modern Serbs. Peculiarities like I1 (Scandinavian – 10.5%) presence rivaling E1b (Balkan – 13.8%) etc.

    I2a is the most prevalent single haplogroup among Serbs according to data gathered until now 33%-35% – and this I2a subgroup is apparently younger than I2a in west Ukraine and Carpathians, AND less diverse in Balkans – implying a founder effect and migration to the Balkans from their original homeland – being 2300-2500 years old.

    Serbs west of Drina have more R1a and less I2a. The best part is that Serbs in Serbia are genetically closer to Croats than to Serbs of Montenegro, not to mention Serbs of Croatia to Croats.
    There is an explanation – Serby of Lusatia have the highest R1a % in the world (60+%), and the original Serb settlement and statehood in 9th century is mostly outside of present-day Serbia. Beyond doubt, Serby of Germany and original Balkan Serbs have common ancestors, but a lot has happened in the last 1300 years.
    There are several neighboruing Slavic tribes/groups distinct from Serbs – Moravians, Timoscians, Dragovitians – who were dominant on the territory of present day Serbia initially.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Serbien_9.Jhd.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Balkans_in_9th_century.jpg

    https://enacademic.com/pictures/enwiki/66/Balkans950.png

    Contemporary Frankish (Annales describing the resolution of Pannonian revolt – Liudevit fled over river Sava to Serbs who hold most of Dalmatia) and Byzantine (everything south of Cetina – Serbs – Pagania, Travunia, Zachlumia, Diocleia) chronicles confirm this – so maps such as these combined with Serb architectural remains in Ston (St.Michael’s church) and west Herzegovina (church ruins and inscriptions containing Nemanjić donours) prove it beyond doubt. Croats have a duty to sperg out, deny primary sources and start ranting.

    There is actually a good explanation for significantly lower E1b presence among Serbs than among neighbouring Bulgarians – medieval Serb laws explicitly forbade intermarrying of Serbs and non-Serb Balkanites, starting with code of laws by king Milutin and going all the way to Tzar Dušan. Only after Ottoman invasion and subsequent migrations would they intermarry, assimilate to form modern Serb nation.

    When it comes to genetic diversity within a single “nation”, Muslim Bosniaks have no peers. Among Bosniaks of Novi Pazar/Sanjak Area, R1a is practically non-existant, while it is the dominant haplogroup in west Bosnia Bosniaks, 30+%.

  • The Russian Empire also had a massive manpower advantage yet it folded under much less pressure on the frontlines
    Difference was the willingless to sacrifice lives, infrastructure and resources in order to buy time and wear the enemy down
    Imagine if those encirclements happened under the 1914 Tsarist system, they would’ve instantly collapsed
    The expectation (from everyone really, not just Germans) was that the USSR would fold just like the Russian Empire did and descend into Civil War, this was what made the difference
    Had the party fled Moscow to catch a boat in Vladivostok and all the soldiers started deserting or joining the enemy (a missed opportunity for the Germans) then no advantage could’ve saved them
    Just as the French held firm during WW1 in spite of the horrifying opening battles of the war and eventually wore down the Germans

    Something similar happened during the British conquest of India, only on a smaller scale, treachery, technological disatvantage and lack of unity allowed a smaller force to conquer a giant section of Eurasia, in fact Hitler cited Colonial British India as a good system to implement on Eastern Europe after it had been conquered

    I am not defending Communism or actions of Communists here, just pointing out that the refusal to give up despite what seemed at first to be overwhelming odds did make a large difference

  • To give an idea of how extreme those losses are, the Germans lost for the whole duration of the war on the eastern front, 4 million men killed and captured,

    Nonsense.
    Where did the German forces disappear, then? Where did their manpower evaporate? It would be extremely interesting to take a look at your breakdown of German military strength, recruited, lost on a per-year basis.

    It’s like those people who take German AFV kill and loss claims at face value.

    Or that idiot Krivosheev adding all losses from Soviet reports and claiming 96500 lost Soviet AFVs, which was immediately taken up by those same imbeciles who parroted figures of 26000 Soviet tanks at the start of Barbarossa.
    Imagine their shock when presented with Soviet tank inventory at the end of war and yearly production, Lend-Lease figures, and finding out how ridiculously wrong they are.

  • I’d draw a line somewhere through Anatolia and couple it with Greece and Cyprus label it Greco-Anatolian with the rest being Near Eastern
    Iranians and Greeks are definitely different enough to be separate

    Caucasians could also probably be their own group

  • This map is fake and gay.

    East Austria and East Germany are Slavic more than they are Germanic, let alone Celto-Germanic.

    There is less Greek/Mediterranean among Serbs than there is Scandinavian.

    How can south Croatia and Herzegovina, where I2a maxes out among Croats, followed by R1a, be any different from Bosnia and Serbia where I2a is most prevalent, followed by R1a?

    Slavonia spoke Serb Shtokavian ekavica and ijekavica as a result of Austrian settlement of Serbs following its reconquest from Ottomans – something noted in census data and works of Reljković, in addition to being called Little Rascia by Hungarians in 15th, 16th century due to Serbs fleeing Ottoman invasion. So how in the world can Slavonia be different from Baranya, Vojvodina?

  • anonymous coward says

    The soviets did a wonderful job in russifying Ukraine

    The Soviets did the opposite, you dumb fuck. They had to ukrainify huge chunks of the country, because most of it was Russian land populated by Russians after the Turks were chased out.

    “Ukraine” proper is actually two different and unrelated tiny parts of the country.

    You come from Galicia, you have no relation to 90% of the country or people in Ukraine, so shut up and become Polish already.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F

  • Nationalities like Serbs and Bosnians are probably descendants of the Ancient Illyrians.

    Piss off a lot of Albanians who dubiously make that claim of themselves. Serbs are Slavs with Slavs being of different blends and percentages of such.

    By “Bosnians”, you probably mean the PC term “Bosniak” describing Slavic Muslims. Bosnians being primarily those of Croat, Muslim Slav and Serb backgrounds in Bosnia.

  • The Russian Empire also had a massive manpower advantage yet it folded under much less pressure on the frontlines
    Difference was the willingless to sacrifice lives, infrastructure and resources in order to buy time and wear the enemy down
    Imagine if those encirclements happened under the 1914 Tsarist system, they would’ve instantly collapsed
    The expectation (from everyone really, not just Germans) was that the USSR would fold just like the Russian Empire did and descend into Civil War, this was what made the difference
    Had the party fled Moscow to catch a boat in Vladivostok and all the soldiers started deserting or joining the enemy (a missed opportunity for the Germans) then no advantage could’ve saved them
    Just as the French held firm during WW1 in spite of the horrifying opening battles of the war and eventually wore down the Germans

    Something similar happened during the British conquest of India, only on a smaller scale, treachery, technological disatvantage and lack of unity allowed a smaller force to conquer a giant section of Eurasia, in fact Hitler cited Colonial British India as a good system to implement on Eastern Europe after it had been conquered

    I am not defending Communism or actions of Communists here, just pointing out that the refusal to give up despite what seemed at first to be overwhelming odds did make a large difference

    Sovok like thinking has subconsciously influenced a good number. In the early part of WW I, Russia launched an attack into Germany that proved catastrophic in a way that included wrecking morale. Added to that was the German use of the Bolshes.

    In WW II, the Nazis brutally attacked the USSR without using people like Vlasov in somewhat (stress somewhat) the same manner that the Germans used Lenin in WW I.

    A major difference having to do with launching an attack into another country versus being brutally attacked. In the latter WW II example, many Soviet citizens felt comparatively more desperate to fight the enemy. In WW I, there was more second guessing on the need to take such casualties.

  • The Russian Empire also had a massive manpower advantage yet it folded under much less pressure on the frontlines

    Where exactly? It made gains against AH and Turkey, and held the line against Germany after 1915.

    Just as the French held firm during WW1 in spite of the horrifying opening battles of the war and eventually wore down the Germans

    The French mutinies in the wake of the Nivelle Offensive were far more serious than any discipline issues the Russian Empire (i.e., before the February Revolution) had.

    Difference was the willingless to sacrifice lives, infrastructure and resources in order to buy time and wear the enemy down

    True for totalitarian regimes. The Germans were also far more ruthless in WW2, and never broke like the Kaiser’s Army did in late 1918.

  • While I agree with the demographic arguments, this is stretching things too far.

    The difference of 6M would have included the wounded (whether temporary or permanent), as well as soldiers released back into the workforce (e.g. technical specialists – the USSR was more assiduous about conserving those, perhaps because they had relatively fewer of them than Germany). They are not comparable to Germans who were flat out killed/captured.

  • The Soviets did the opposite…. They had to ukrainify huge chunks of the country,

    You continue your pattern of always being wrong. Russian census of 1897 showed that the Russian language was about as common in Kiev governate as it was in Warsaw. So-called “New Russia” was 70% Little Russian-speaking.

    So-called Ukrianianizaton meant that the lightly settled Russian-speaking towns became Ukrainian-speaking as Ukrainian speakers moved in from the villages and were taught literacy in their own language. It was a natural process akin to Prague becoming Czech-speaking as Czech peasants moved in, that was interrupted and reversed by the unnatural Bolsheviks.

  • Serbs are Slavs with Slavs being of different blends and percentages of such.

    Serbs are “Slavs” like 25%-Spanish, Spanish-speaking Guatemalan mestizos are “Spaniards.” Epigon showed that there was once a Slavic settler population but it was absorbed by the natives over the few centuries and largely melted into the natives, like the Conquistador settlers of central America (although the latter process started much earlier in settlement, due to dearth of female settlers).

  • The USSR vs Nazi Germany war was a war between two industrialized countries.

    German Empire vs Tsarist Russia was a war between the then most industrialized country on the planet vs an agrarian country with a few bright sparks like Sikorsky.(Yes I know it was ‘rapidly industrializing’ from a low base but that industrialization was dependent of foreign capital(The sovereign foreign debt of Tsarist Russia was the highest of any nation Pre WW1) and had many other headwinds which should make one read the rosy alternate history projections of Russia being on course to emerging as a US class industrial super power with more than a few grains of salt)

    The USSR outproduced not just Germany but the Whole of Continental Europe in Tank,Aircraft and Artillery gun production with all critical components(engines etc.) manufactured from raw materials in Russia.This is including the one year gap in which the industrial plants were dismantled transported across the Urals and put into service again a feat hypothetically comparable to the US dismantling its industrial plants around the Great Lakes region transporting them across the Rockies and putting them back in production.

    Tsarist Russia’s industrial capabilities were eclipsed by Imperial Japan let alone Germany.Its Naval Ships for example were assembled in Russia from British or French designs with all critical components boilers etc imported.Even the armor plating was imported IIRC. Japan on the eve of WW1 designed and built its own Dreadnoughts.

    In the Pre Industrial era Tsarist Russia performed well against European threats like Napoleonic France when it was fighting another non Industrial country but its relative strength began to wane as soon as industrialization began to transform societies of its European competitors.

    I do not support Communism the industrialization process was many order of magnitudes bloodier than necessary despite Russia starting from a much more developed base than say Pre Meiji Japan and being self sufficient in all natural resources.Also it would probably not work without the great depression which enabled the USSR to procure massive quantities of capital goods at firesale prices with conditions of transfer of technology that would not be entertained under normal circumstances but the fact remains Stalin industrialized the USSR which is a fact that played a role arguably more important than its size and population in winning against Nazi Germany.

  • In the end, what you think is irrelevant.
    Obviously, Serbs feel Slavic, as other South Slavs, and that’s all that matters.

  • The USSR was of course more industrialized vis-a-vis Germany than was the Russian Empire, nobody is denying that, but it would have been more industrialized – and a much more diverse and sophisticated economy – if it hadn’t lost a decade in industrial development to the Revolution and not killed/exiled the majority of its top tier human capital.

    The USSR outproduced not just Germany but the Whole of Continental Europe in Tank,Aircraft and Artillery gun production with all critical components(engines etc.) manufactured from raw materials in Russia.

    This is incorrect. Germany produced more aircraft overall. USSR out produced in tanks, but spent a much higher of its productive capacities on them. Furthermore, USSR had no need to make investments into U-Boats during the war, nor did it need AA defenses to mitigate strategic bombing, into synthetic fuel production plants, etc.). It also relied on Lend-Lease for many critical inputs such as aviation fuel and electronics.

    Tsarist Russia’s industrial capabilities were eclipsed by Imperial Japan let alone Germany.

    While one might cherry pick one example or another to argue that point, the statistics say otherwise:

    As of 1913:
    Per capita level of industrialization: Russia and Japan both estimated at 20% of UK levels in 1900 (Bairoch)
    Iron/Steel production: 4.8M tons in Russia (similar to France), 0.8M tons in Japan.
    Energy consumption: 2.5x higher in Russia
    GDP per capita: “Total Former USSR” about 10% higher than Japan (Maddison)

  • Sorry, postmodernism isn’t my thing. By your logic, if some Guatemalan Mestizo “feels” that he is a Spaniard, he is one and that’s all that matters. Nope.

  • There is actually a good explanation for significantly lower E1b presence among Serbs than among neighbouring Bulgarians – medieval Serb laws explicitly forbade intermarrying of Serbs and non-Serb Balkanites, starting with code of laws by king Milutin and going all the way to Tzar Dušan. Only after Ottoman invasion and subsequent migrations would they intermarry, assimilate to form modern Serb nation.

    If correct, this suggests that modern “Serbs” can essentially be characterized as Serb-speaking Balkanoids LARPing as medieval Serbs, although isolated pockets of actual Serbs still exist. So modern Serbs celebrating medieval Serbs as their heroes is analogous to some Guatemalan Mestizos celebrating the exploits of Cortes, the literature of Cervantes, as their own.

    Fascinating. Of course Eastern Slavs can be no less ridiculous. Ukrainian and Russian Slavs fight over whether the Scandinavian Rus overlords who enslaved Slavs were Ukrainian or Russian.

  • All that you’re doing here is emphasizing the fact that Russia is a third world power incapable of creating an environment for its own citizens to prosper either intellectually, professionally or financially. Why sit here day after day, 24/7, and extoll the virtues of Russian civilization, if you’ve actually chosen to run away from it and live somewhere else, better? Come to think if , you’re actually a worse creature than the janissars that I often compare you with – they were forced into their servile roles, whereas you freely chose a similar fate. 🙁

    Why not stay in Russia (like Anatoly Karlin) and work to make it a better country?

  • Thorfinnsson says

    Where exactly? It made gains against AH and Turkey, and held the line against Germany after 1915.

    I’m not convinced the Tsarist army would’ve “held the line” in 1916 had Hindenburg and Ludendorff run OHL that year rather than Falkenhayn with his ill-advised Verdun adventure.

    Though a German offensive in the east in 1916 would not have met a disintegrating army, unlike the case with the historical offensive into the Baltic in 1917 (after dispatching the Kerensky “Offensive”).

  • Are Bavarians and Dalslanders not both Germanic despite having different genetics? A much more apt comparison then trans-continental mixtures
    And the Mestizos don’t call themselves Spandiards, they say they are Hispanics, just as South Slavs don’t call themselves Russians or Poles but still are Slavs

    This is not a larp since the Balkan Natives were fighting and living with the White Serb settlers from the very start of Serbia as a Princedom and later Kingdoms and Empires, as Epigon pointed out

  • Possibly – but it would have been harder to do in 1916 than a year earlier.

    Shell production:

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/oldadmiral/1436531/38429/38429_original.jpg

    (WW2 figures for comparison):

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/oldadmiral/1436531/38366/38366_original.jpg

  • Well a Free Market Industrialized Economy is from an economic efficiency standpoint superior to a Fascist Industrialized Economy which is in turn superior to a command and control industrialized economy however any industrialized economy is incomparably superior to a non Industrialized economy doesn’t matter how free market.The social and economic conditions under which a free market industrialized economy emerges naturally is extremely rare.

    It is not immediately clear if an industrialized free market economy was about to emerge in a 20-25 year time frame.The government despite the presence of competent bureaucrats from time to time like Stolypin and White was mostly incompetent,the czar and the nobility reluctant to forego the very large parasitic rents they extracted from the state,proportionally there were very few people like Sikorsky and it is not immediately clear whether Sikorsky would emerge as Russia’s Boeing (Heck even Russia’s Sikorsky USA) given the penchant of the state crowding out private investment in strategic areas,foreign import lobbies often consisting of nobles and other rent seeking elites.

    Then there is the question of the low national savings rate and the dependence on foreign borrowings which is clearly not sustainable and the very poor terms of trade on offer to Russia,its biggest export was food grains to Europe.

    Continental Europe was protectionist as was the US.The British Empire though nominally free trade(It allowed Japan and Germany market access) would require all weather ports near industrial centers to service which Russia did not /does not have.

    Then there was disproportionate numbers of Poles,Jews,Volga Germans and other non Slavic minorities whose interest did not always coincide with that of the Russian state in positions of power.

    Then there was the Inter war years stagnation and great depression which would hinder essential foreign finance and reduce realization of Russian commodity exports.

    These are just some of the factors which makes me slightly skeptical of Russia Emerging with an industrial base comparable to the USSR in a period of 20 years in an alternate history scenario.

    ” This is incorrect. Germany produced more aircraft overall…”

    Yes my mistake though the difference was relatively minor compared to Tank Production(Including Self Propelled Guns) 2X+ and Artillery 3X +

    https://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/world-war-2-statistics.php

    Yes Germans had to divert resources to their Navy and AA defence etc.And yes a fascist industrialized economy is more efficient than a command and control industrialized economy in utilization of its resources as previously mentioned.

    “While one might cherry pick one example or another to argue that point, the statistics say otherwise:”

    Well crude industrial output which such statistics typically measure is one facet.Both Japan and Russia are supposed to be at 20% UK levels but Japanese industry was internationally competitive able to displace European manufacturers in the British Empire in Asia,Competing and winning against entrenched British manufacturers in selling textile machinery know how to Platts,UK(How Toyota got its start) etc. Russia in this period has very little to compare with the Zaibatsu.

    If one is to talk about major weapons the most impressive thing Tsarist Russia produced in WW1 was arguably the Sirkosky Ilya Muromets bomber which was powered by imported British Engines i.e. Sunbeam Crusader V8(Then as now the most critical and difficult to manufacture component of any aircraft)

    The most impressive thing Japan produced arguably was the Battleship Settsu which was a Dreadnought class battleship built from raw materials in Japan.

    Therefore it wouldn’t be to inaccurate to state that Japan had overall superior industrial capabilities in this era.

  • If you want to change definition of word “core”, to mean “dominant group”. I talked about “core American”, not “dominant American”.

    Jewish conspiracy theory believes that Jews were dominant in USSR, or modern Russia/Ukraine. But such dominance as believed by conspiracy, does not imply that Jews are not foreigners or somewhat recent immigrants to Russia, without ancient native roots.

    In the case of America, if you read Locke’s writing, Indians are used precisely to explain how it would be possible to have property rights. (Indians were “gold standard” for how you could attain property rights).

    So even in an abstract sense, Indians were viewed as standard to compare to for Englishmen settling the American continent.
    https://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtr05.htm

    wouldn’t call Arabs “core Israelis” either. Calling Amerindians “core Americans”

    Core Israelis are obviously brown skin Middle Eastern Jew, which would have both genetic and cultural connection to the ancient history of the region. It’s people who can say their ancestors were on the land as long as historical memory.

    Do you think racially Russian, Israeli politician Anastasia Michaeli is a core Israeli? People who need sun cream in the region and have no genetic connection to Middle East, are not core, even if they are wealthy and politically dominant.

    Melanin content shows this is not any historical core of a Middle Eastern region, even if a family have political or economic power.

    That doesn’t imply recent settlers and immigrants are not dominant or elite in the lands. For example, Aryans who carried Sanskrit, as well as their gods, to Ancient India, were for many centuries an elite compared to the Dravidians, and institutionalized this for millenia into a caste system.

    And, if we agree with Locke, it also does not have any implication for property rights in land settled more recently.

  • You can’t explain the meaning of colors to someone who is voluntarily blind. I wash my hands off you. You are welcome to stew in your own delusions. But the reality is a bitch: nobody’s delusions change it.

  • anonymous coward says

    So-called “New Russia” was 70% Little Russian-speaking.

    “Little Russian-speaking” is not Ukrainian. Hence the Soviet campaign of ukrainization.

  • Illyrians were the people of the Balkan region in Ancient History. Ethnogenesis of modern Slavs is the around the sixth century AD. When Slavic tribes conquer areas in the Balkans, then the pre-existing population is subsumed to the dominant group’s culture and language.

    For example, if you ask when is the ethnogenesis of the Arabs? It is formed with common language and then religion, in the sixth-seventh century, in the Arabian peninsula, as tribes of the peninsula are united.

    However, quite distant regions like Algeria become Arab, by a mixture of settlers who conquer the area from the Arab lands, and also cultural subsumption of previous nationalities which live in the region to the Arab language and customs.

  • anonymous coward says

    IIRC he’s an American who is a third-generation immigrant from some Austro-Hungarian shithole country.

    He’s just LARPing as a Ukrainian; you can’t talk sense to infantile people who are just having fun and playing pretend.

    It’s like giving grief about Vikings not wearing horned helmets and riding bears into battle to some Viking pagan LARPer.

  • German_reader says

    “Core population” in my usage is the group without which a polity would be something radically different.
    Russia contains many ethnic and religious minorities, but without (nominally orthodox) Great Russians it wouldn’t be Russia.
    Israel contains a large non-Jewish minority, but it was explicitly set up as a Jewish nation state, without Jews Israel wouldn’t exist (I don’t comment on internal distinctions between different kinds of Jews who in any case seem to be on the way to mixing into a common identity in Israel).

    Similarly, the USA was once implicitly defined by Northwest European, mostly British Protestants (especially of the non-conformist kind) who founded the USA, set up its institutions (in a line of tradition with earlier developments in Britain) and expanded its territory. Whatever other groups may have contributed, without British Protestants the USA would never have come into being and something very different would have existed in North America.
    So they undoubtedly were the “core population” of the US, to whose mores others were expected to assimilate. Unfortunately mass immigration and the idiotic proposition nation idea has substantially eroded this status of Anglo-Saxon Protestants in the US, but it was a reality for long stretches of American history.
    I don’t see why this should even be controversial…your usage of “core” to refer to marginal Amerindian natives strikes me as rather eccentric.

  • That figures. The things that personage writes about Ukraine could not be written by anyone who lived in Ukraine at least a few months (not in lunatic asylum). That same applies to the AP here, although AP appears to be less arrogant, which suggest a bit more contact with real Ukraine.

  • Well searching for “core population”, it seems to just find something about ethnogenesis in the Philippines.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Models_of_migration_to_the_Philippines#Core_Population_Theory

    However, if you interpret this word to mean “dominant population” and I to mean “people with roots in the land”, then is not disagreement, just ambiguity in the phrase.

    Obviously, both answers are trivial and uninteresting. Politically and culturally dominant group in the “polity” known as “United States”, are anglosaxons. But historically rooted group to America are the native races.

    If you recall that Houston has the same latitude as New Delhi in India. And that even White House and Capital Hill, in Washington DC, has the same latitude as Palermo Sicily. You can see how non-adapted – or recent in human history terms – the dominant races are still to much of American land.

    Historically rooted (as opposed to transient) population in Houston will eventually evolve the same skin colour as the New Delhi Indians, who share their latitude.

  • German_reader says

    Historically rooted (as opposed to transient) population in Houston will eventually evolve the same skin colour as the New Delhi Indians, who share their latitude.

    That’s a bizarre statement, do you also expect Africans in Europe to eventually evolve into being pale-skinned?
    imo there’s no reason to think evolution will work like that under modern conditions, which selection pressures should cause that? Maybe pale-skinned people have a higher risk of skin cancer in certain parts of the US (I don’t know, pure guess on my part), but that won’t lead to any discernible change in average phenotype which will only come about as a result of immigration and ethnic mixing.

  • Look, it’s not my fault that I seem to have touched a live wire with you and you can’t seem to explain your inconsistent stances? BTW, I’m not the one stewing, but it appears that you are jumping around from country to country not really sure where you belong but always living with your own illusions about Mother Russia, yet unwilling to actually take up residence there? 🙂

  • Correct analogy would be “feels Hispanic”.
    Anyway, what you think or what’s “your thing” is completely irrelevant under this sun.

  • We get it, Ukranians bad
    Maybe if you stopped calling them names or falling like fools for stupid baits they’d agree with you

  • It isn’t just a feeling
    We speak a Slavic language and use a version of the Cyrillic Alphabet (designed for Slavic langauges and originates from South Slavs incidentally), in many cases our language is closer to the older Slavic pronounciations then languages like Polish or Russian
    We are also Eastern Orthodox Christians which is a majority Slavic branch of Christianity
    There is a history of Serbs who fled the Ottomans settling in Russian-Polish borderlands, theres even a place called New Serbia in the middle of Ukraine, though I think the name fell out of use
    Serbia and other South Slavs were also part of the Slavophile circlejerk in the 19th Century which resulted in the disaterous Pan-Slavic project of Yugoslavia

    Hell the Black Hand which killed Franz Ferdinand was a Pan-Slavic organization, based in Serbia (though supported by British Agents)

  • What is and isn’t Slav

    To date, I’ve yet to see confirmation that a complete DNA study of given ethnic/national groups involve anywhere near the same number of folks as those participating in a population census – leading to the level of accuracy of DNA studies. Furthermore, it’s well established that different DNA gathering venues can and have produced different results.

    Moreover, there doesn’t seem to be anything anywhere suggesting 100% Slav.

    As for the not so scientific random photo comparisons periodically posted at these threads, Serbs and Bulgarians generally (at least from what I’ve seen) seem to (on appearance) more closely resemble Russians than Guatemalans do Spaniards from Spain.

    In terms of looks, plenty of Poles and Ukrainians can pass as Russians. There’s also the Hollywood Scandinavian factor of portraying Russians as evidenced with Dolph Lundgren and Brigitte Neilson.

    You can’t just go by looks. Someone who is half Greek Sephardic (via Italy and Spain) on one side of the family and half Baltic German Ashkenazi and half Russian Orthodox Christian on the other can look more Slavic than Sephardic, as well as look more Slavic than many having a more pure (for lack of a better term) Slavic background.

  • Africans in Europe to eventually evolve into being pale-skinned

    Of course, if even an isolated African population (that does not marry other races) is settled in a Northern latitude, across a certain number of generations, then the skin will become whiter incrementally. The selection pressure in Northern latitudes would vitamin D and other health benefits of solar radiation, as well as possibly sexual selection.

    (Because people are inside more today than historically, then there is even more selection pressure now in this direction than before).

    • However, we are now talking about quite transient populations, increasingly with invention of modern transportation.

  • German_reader says

    Of course, if the population is settled in a latitude, across a certain number of generations. The selection pressure is vitamin D.

    Which can be counter-acted by taking supplements.
    I don’t understand how you imagine such selection pressures to work under present-day conditions, it’s not like dark-skinned people in Europe die off early in a way which would affect their reproductive chances.

  • East Austria and East Germany are Slavic more than they are Germanic, let alone Celto-Germanic

    .

    by Y-DNA?

  • Turk means Muslim.

    Imagine following Gandhi when the religion of Steel was born in your country

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B2ntYvdlia4/?igshid=6pag113d9vwx

  • Romanian Getae are identified with Greek Zhat or Panjabi Jatt.

    Balkan people are different and it honestly doesn’t matter.

    The Warrior Spirit is in us all we can choose to reject or deny it.

    People concerned about demographics should fight to regain control over their lands and women.

    We know this War between Africa and Arya will always end in our favor so we remain in ever bliss, and high spirits.

    Serbs also have a proud history whether Slav or not.

    A small country able to cause great calamity and a great war is indeed remarkable!

  • Which can be counter-acted by taking supplements.

    Well this is a little offtopic lol.

    Probably supplementation of vitamin D won’t work (but rather vitamin D is a marker of whether the person is getting the beneficial effects of the sun exposure).

    Sun’s effect on the skin (although not well understood) likely very important for human health. E.g. among Swedish population, they find that people who do not receive sufficient sun exposure had double risk of dying in 20 years

    “There are not many daily lifestyle choices that double your risk of dying. In a 2016 study published in the Journal of Internal Medicine, Lindqvist’s team put it in perspective: “Avoidance of sun exposure is a risk factor of a similar magnitude as smoking, in terms of life expectancy.”

    https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure-skin-cancer-science

    not like dark-skinned people in Europe die off early in a way which would affect their reproductive chances.

    Selection pressures can be small, but as long as it is statistically significant, it will result in a increase of prevalence of the advantageous genes in the population.

    African Americans likely have a lot of health disadvantages as a result of the interaction of their skin with the sun in even American latitudes (which are much lower on average, than for Northern Europe).

    For example, in terms of their high cancer rates. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3427205/

    (And African Americans are already a lot whiter than African Africa, although this probably mainly by gene flow from Europeans, rather than evolution).

  • (And African Americans are already a lot whiter than African Africa, although this probably mainly by gene flow from Europeans, rather than evolution).

    A lot of African Americans already now seem to be skin colour of Indians in New Delhi (i.e. probably not far from the evolutionary opitimal solution for living in the latitude of Houston).

    You can see in pictures of African Americans visiting , that they are significantly less black skin colour when they stand next to African chiefs in Cameroon (who have a higher level of melanin).

  • Your pattern of always being wrong continues. “Little Russian” was the term for the Ukrainian language. So the first significant example of Ukrainian literature, Aneida by Kotlyarevski, was called Little Russian:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Eneida_Osipov_Kotlayrevsky.jpg/1280px-Eneida_Osipov_Kotlayrevsky.jpg

    So according to the 1897 census, Kiev guberniya was 79% Ukrainian (Little Russian) speaking, 12% Yiddish speaking, 6% Russian speaking, and 2% Polish speaking.

    The Kharkov guberniya was 81% Ukrainian speaking and 18% Russian speaking.

    The Kherson guberniya (which consisted of southern Ukraine, including Odessa but not Crimea) was 53.5% Ukrainian-speaking, 21% Russian-speaking, 12% Yiddish-speaking, 5.5% Romanian-speaking, 4.5% German-speaking, 1% Polish-speaking.

    The Poltava guberniya was the purest Ukrainian guberniya (the western ones had many Poles and Jews, the southern ones and Kharkiv had many Russians). It was 93% Ukrainian-speaking, 4% Yiddish-speaking and 3% Russian-speaking. It is no coincidence that the Ukrainian literary language is based on the Little Russian speech of Poltava.

  • It isn’t just a feeling
    We speak a Slavic language and use a version of the Cyrillic Alphabet (designed for Slavic langauges and originates from South Slavs incidentally), in many cases our language is closer to the older Slavic pronounciations then languages like Polish or Russian
    We are also Eastern Orthodox Christians which is a majority Slavic branch of Christianity

    Well, Guatemalan Mestizos speak Spanish, and they are devout Catholics. They may be better Catholics than are modern Spaniards. Their dialect may have preserved some archaic elements of the southern Spanish speech that have been lost in Spain.

    On account of Serbs speaking a Slavic language and being 25% Slav, and being Christians, I certainly have more sympathy for them than for the Albanians and Turks. But they aren’t a Slavic people, they in essence are a Slavicised people. Their historical Slavophila is funny LARPing.

  • Yes, Sikhs are pretty cool people.

  • They certainly have some of the most beautiful houses of worship around the planet. Here’s one in Glendale, AZ:

    https://www.yogitimes.com/photo/review/thumb/646/ed36da7db1a28c91c9b320ac96b40657-1365383462-gurdwara.jpg

    A charismatic form of pantheism? I have wondered why it doesn’t combine with the B’hai faith of Iran? They seem so very similar, maybe I’m missing something? (Actually, both faiths house some of the most beautiful temples of worship)…

  • It is indeed awesome and powerful.

  • the USA was once implicitly defined by Northwest European, mostly British Protestants (especially of the non-conformist kind) who founded the USA, set up its institutions (in a line of tradition with earlier developments in Britain) and expanded its territory. […] So they undoubtedly were the “core population” of the US, to whose mores others were expected to assimilate. Unfortunately mass immigration and the idiotic proposition nation idea has substantially eroded this status of Anglo-Saxon Protestants in the US, but it was a reality for long stretches of American history.

    The US core population is still NW-European Protestant. That hasn’t changed.

    What has changed is we lost leadership within the state, which is now run by — well, look at the time! I think I should stop there.

  • Ukrainian and Russian Slavs fight over whether the Scandinavian Rus overlords who enslaved Slavs were Ukrainian or Russian.

    A curious example of a battle with windmills. Perhaps there are marginal freaks who argue over the Internet “whether the Scandinavian Rus were Ukrainian or Russian”, but I personally have never seen such discussions. Scandinavian origin Rurikids in the scientific community has never been seriously challenged-neither in the pre-revolutionary, nor in the Soviet or post-Soviet times (of course there have always been marginals with special views, but they are marginals).

    On the other hand, you are repeating here like a parrot version of the ethnic Scandinavian elite who ruled the Slavic slaves – quite obvious nonsense (as you can learn from the works of both Russian and Scandinavian historians dealing with this topic). That is your own views – the same nonsense as statements that Rurik was the Ukrainian.

  • Thulean Friend says

    In a just world where the electorate wasn’t filled with low IQ drones, Yang would have been president long ago.

    https://i.imgur.com/2ZAmnBI.png

  • Thulean Friend says

    Hungarians being Slavo-Germanic? People who don’t understand genetics should not post haplomeme maps. And haplomemes in of themselves are less useful to understanding ancestry than genetic clusters.

  • Thulean Friend says

    Serbs are lighter

    Not my experience here in Sweden and we have a huge ex-yugo diaspora. Plus, if you’re gonna cherrypick then I can do that also. Here is a demonstration of Serbian nationalists.

    https://i.imgur.com/jrTKyHz.jpg

    In my experience, Serbs, while being swarthier, have typically been better-behaved in my dealings with them. I’ve met quite a few of Albanians who I could have mistaken for an ethnic Swede by seeing them on the streets but who acted like complete trash, indistinguishable for ghetto arabs in any interaction.

    That said, I find nordicism to be incredibly stupid. I like blond and blue-eyed people for purely aesthetic reasons. There’s something to be said for looking at a crowd of people and to some extent see yourself reflected in them. But this is a purely personal aesthetic preference. The notion that some Europeans are “better” because they are lighter is silly. Northern Russia is certainly less swarthy than France yet the latter is unmistakably more prosperous. It’s just D&C bullshit of the lowest orders.

  • A curious example of a battle with windmills. Perhaps there are marginal freaks who argue over the Internet “whether the Scandinavian Rus were Ukrainian or Russian”

    So Russians and Ukrainians don’t both claim that Helga, Vladimir, etc. were Russian or Ukrainians?

  • Hungarians being Slavo-Germanic?

    As far as I know genetically Hungarians are virtually indistinguishable from neighboring Nations and completely devoid of “steppe” genes.

  • So Russians and Ukrainians don’t both claim that Helga, Vladimir, etc. were Russian or Ukrainians?

    Russians and Ukrainians freaks – maybe. But this is a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery marginal point of view at the level of UFOlogy and belief in the flat earth (at least in Russia). In scientific works (even marginal) such views are lacking utterly .

  • Okay, I chose a bad example.

  • Siberia was easy to conquer, because it wasn’t densely populated, and its population was quite backwards anyway. But first you needed firearms to defeat the nomads who blocked your access to Siberia. It helped a great deal that the nomads’ empire was in the disintegrating phase, but their decisive military advantage was destroyed by firearms.

  • We’ll never know how good Swiss are at running a system that ferries their entire population in a day, every day, all year long, like Moscow subway does.

    Well, I know how good the Swiss would be at running such a system (quite good, as they are quite good at organizing anything), but I agree with you wholeheartedly that you will never know that.

  • Swiss trains are not very fast (mountains and all that), but I don’t think they’re any slower than trains in Slovakia.

    Switzerland is not that well organised.

    LOL

    the pace is leisurely

    The Swiss don’t work a lot. They work well. In that, they are pretty similar to the Japanese (though the Japanese have the edge, obviously). The Japanese also work more, at least nominally (though much of the time they spend nominally at work is not connected to doing the job).

    and incompetence quite common.

    Common relative to what? They now have lots of non-Swiss working everywhere, almost a quarter of their population is foreigner, and that number doesn’t include naturalized foreigners or half-foreigners and their descendants.

  • It’s been a long time since I used those ticket machines, but there are four languages on offer (you forgot Italian), and I randomly chose German or English, and never had a problem with either. I’ve also haven’t heard from anyone this particular complaint (I knew a number of English speakers not speaking any other language who visited Switzerland, usually for work related reasons). But I know of a case when it didn’t work (at all), and the ticket controller showed very little flexibility, which is in general a problem with the Swiss.

  • Thulean Friend says
  • 25% Slav

    25% R1a you mean (and that % might be distorted due to a lack of proper studies), are Lithuanians, Latvians, Tajiks and Pashtuns Slavs then?
    We don’t even know if the Proto-Slavs were a pure R1a group
    And this mixing of Slavs and Dinarics happened over 1200 years ago and was a natural process, not a state sponsored action (there was no Slavia funding an East Balkan Company to set up colonies)
    South Slavs were speaking a Slavic language since Slavs began being recorded in history, the oldest South Slavic documments are also over 1000 years old and are some of the oldest recorded examples of Slavic language
    Slavophilia originating from South Slavs did not come from some larp to imitate Russia or Poland, it was a movement originating from efforts to preserve Slavic language, religion and culture in face of assimilation by the Ottomans, Italians, Germans and Hungarians (similar movements appeared in Bohemia aswell, which resulted in the Prague Slavic Congress), so the preservation of some old Slavic custom or way of speaking came out of a conscious effort, not by being cut off from some home colonial state

    And you are still dodging the best point, Germanics are split into different but closely related genetic groups just like Slavs, yet they don’t engage into this sort of “not real Germanic” talk

  • We must forge the new Soviet American man.

  • This is gonna be an unpopular opinion but I think it looks neat, it’s not something you’d often see and it is interesting to look at unlike most modern architecture and doesn’t make me want to kill myself like Communist blocks
    I’d argue it looks better then the glass dildos from Moscow or Warsaw (and soon Belgrade)

  • Balkan ultra-nationalist types are almost always indistinguishable from Turks and behave like the worst Gopnik/Vatnik stereotypes you can imagine, my theory is that their behaviour stems from insecurity about their appearance
    We are also not sending our best to Sweden, far from it, during the 90s uncountable amount of subhumans managed to squeeze in as “refugees” to Sweden while actual refugees got to go around homeless as the country was getting pillaged

    The Grenades from Grenade attacks in Sweden are Yugo surplus leftover from the 90s which the they smuggle into the country which let them in to save them from evil dictator (insert name here)

  • There are few Bulgarians, they are probably some academics or elites. There is nothing surprising here.

    Something like half of the Bulgarians in America live in Chicago and can best be described as working class white niggers, listening to rap and everything (and the most tragically famous Bulgarian rapper and noted genetic waste is there too). The rest aren’t all that “elite” either.
    Keep coping though, owned by your own links haha.

  • The film has very different themes to the book ‘Last of the Mohicans’. The different worldview of an early American compared to the ideological propaganda of late twentieth centiry Jewish Hollywood. Indians are portrayed much more negatively, there is little conflict between colonists and British authorities and the martial prowess of British regulars is accurately portrayed.

  • Sugar, corn and everthing soy, these were the ingredients chosen to create the perfect American goy
    But Professor Jewtonioum accidentally added an extra ingredient to the concoction, chemical Bn.

  • anonymous coward says

    Beckow is right. Indigenous Swiss are cow farmers are not very quick-witted, and of course the Albanian refuse that are now 25% of their population are even worse.

    Their valleys and mountains are naturally conducive to small governments and tight communities, this makes everything 100 times easier and smother.

    Their big talent is keeping peace and good will and not turning into a North Caucasus or Papua New Guinea, not technology or organization.

    P.S. Lenin lived in Switzerland for a while, his ideal version of government was the Swiss commune, lol.

  • Look up the number of Swiss Nobel laureates. Swiss farmers who are still working in farming (as opposed to Swiss farmers 200 years ago) are, however, not incredibly smart, that much is true.

  • According to this genetic map of Europe (which might’ve been previously posted in discussions at these threads), Ukrainians are more closely related to Russians than Poles:

    https://brilliantmaps.com/the-genetic-map-of-europe/

    As per this map, the differences between Germans and Austrians jives with what someone at this thread brought up about the two.

    On another matter raised at this thread, there’s a good share of dark complexioned Albanians. Likewise with some Serbs and Bulgarians with other Serbs and Bulgarians looking quite Russian.

  • anonymous coward says

    “Little Russian” was the term for the Ukrainian language.

    No, because the so-called “Ukrainian language” was invented by Soviet authorities and refined by Galician emigrants from Canada after 1991.

    So the first significant example of Ukrainian literature, Aneida by Kotlyarevski, was called Little Russian

    No. “Aneida” has to be translated into the modern so-called “Ukrainian language”, whereas it is very readable to a modern Russian speaker, even if obviously in a colloquial dialect.

    Furthermore, “Aneida” was a joke, an attempt to juxtapose classical Greece with a rustic colloquial Russian dialect. It’s a Russian work written in Russian.

  • “Well, I know how good the Swiss would be at running such a system (quite good, as they are quite good at organizing anything) ….”

    LOL. He knows.

    Let me remind you where we started:

    “Russians are usually not thought of as supreme organizers, like, say, the Swiss, yet the war was an effort which they organized pretty well (after the initial setbacks).”

    In all seriousness, you compare a total war effort with Swiss trains?

    Listen, you confuse individual discipline/law observance with organisational skills.
    Yes, Swiss, like most northern westerners, are well disciplined and strictly observe the laws, unlike most of Slavs, and that is why their society seems more organized. But the “drill” produces rather “numb” people. No wander Slavs call the Germanics “Nemci”.

    For some reason, this discussion reminds of a monument located in Munich and dedicated to the 20 or 25 thousand Bavarians that joined Napoleon’s Grand Army in its advance on Russia.
    Not a single man returned back alive.
    What does it say of Western discipline, organisation and stupidity?

  • Ever since the esteemed Barack received a ‘Nobel’, I am a bit skeptical about the whole thing. I have visited the Nobel Museum and a more annoying self-congratulatory collection of mostly dreamy nonsense would be hard to find. Sorry, no points there.

    Swiss are generally quite slow-witted, that’s something even they admit. Their organization is on the heavy side, too much intrusive stuff, too often. They are rich and peaceful, good for them. But there is a reason other countries have not been too successful copying the Swiss model – it is suited to the specific Swiss geography and took a few hundred years to develop. And then there are the Albanians, enough said…

    It is 250 km from Zurich to Geneva and it takes almost 3 hours by train. Driving not much better, traffic jams everywhere. There are no mountains or tunnels in that part of Switzerland – Swiss are not advanced or fast, just competent and honest in doing the basic mediocre stuff they do (I wish others would learn it too).

    Comparing everything to each other countries is a silly nihilistic argument – I prefer to look at it based on its merits, you can always find others doing stuff worse. In this case the fastest IC trains in Slovakia-Czechia happen to be faster than the Swiss ones. But they are often late. Maybe too ambitious?

  • The name for Germans is Niemtsi (this is the phonetic version in English, every language spells it different) it means “Mutes” since they could’t speak Slavic languages unlike the Slavyani, the people of the word (Slovo)

    Though Germans feeling more “numb” to Slavs is a legit thing, one that I myself experienced when talking to some Germans in the past and my friends and family who visited Germany also described something similar

  • Siberia was easy to conquer, because it wasn’t densely populated, and its population was quite backwards anyway. But first you needed firearms to defeat the nomads who blocked your access to Siberia. It helped a great deal that the nomads’ empire was in the disintegrating phase, but their decisive military advantage was destroyed by firearms.

    What’s the argument about? If the Swiss lived on the site of the ancient Russian principalities, they would not be Swiss but someone else. Russians, if they lived in the Alps, would not be Russians (but rather something like Czechs)

    It is pointless to argue about the conquest of Siberia – the Moscow Principality/Russian Tsardom needed to defeat much more powerful opponents in the West in order to expand to the East. And the conquest itself was not an obvious phenomenon – for example, the Japanese did not conquer Siberia, although they had firearms and geographical access.

  • “Serbia and other South Slavs were also part of the Slavophile circlejerk in the 19th Century which resulted in the disaterous Pan-Slavic project of Yugoslavia”

    Out of curiosity, why was Yugoslavia a disastrous project?
    In all honesty, it seemed like it solved all, be it past or future, problems of every Yugoslav ethnic group.

    For instance, since you are Serbian, all Serbs lived, for better or worse, in one country, didn’t they?
    What are Serbs, going to do now, that Yugoslavia is no more?
    Recreate the Serbian medieval state, perhaps?
    Well get in line, with the Bulgars, Illirians, Byzantians, Ottomans, Croats etc.

    Apologies for being a bit harsh, but that’s the reality of folks living over there.

  • Something like half of the Bulgarians in America live in Chicago and can best be described as working class white niggers, listening to rap and everything (and the most tragically famous Bulgarian rapper and noted genetic waste is there too). The rest aren’t all that “elite” either.

    You are wrong, as proven by the US census results which includes Bulgarians as one of the richest groups in the USA.

    I know three Bulgarians in the USA: a physicist and two guys who got MBAs and work in upper-middle management.

    So the small number of Bulgarians are rather wealthy.

  • And you are still dodging the best point, Germanics are split into different but closely related genetic groups just like Slavs

    Because there is no such thing as a real “pan-Germanic” movement and no ridiculous spectacle of, say, African-Americans (who speak a Germanic language) bragging about being “Germanics” and the same people as other Germanics.

  • Beckow is right. Indigenous Swiss are cow farmers are not very quick-witted

    If you say so, then in this case Beckow must be wrong.

  • It’s true Soviet losses later in the war, 1942 and onwards were mostly wounded and millions of men were also demobilised after being recruited, however neither of those things were true in 1941. Virtually all of the Soviet losses in 1941 were due to soldiers being killed and captured due to the encirclement battles, it’s only from 1942 onwards that most soviet losses become wounded. In addition, the demobilisation of existing troops to serve as labour was only done in 1942 when the soviet army had reached a size that was deemed sufficient to hold the entire front as well as conduct offensives.

  • No, because the so-called “Ukrainian language” was invented by Soviet authorities and refined by Galician emigrants from Canada after 1991.

    Just because you, who are wrong basically 100% of the time, claim something doesn’t make it so.

    So the first significant example of Ukrainian literature, Aneida by Kotlyarevski, was called Little Russian

    No. “Aneida” has to be translated into the modern so-called “Ukrainian language”, whereas it is very readable to a modern Russian speaker, even if obviously in a colloquial dialect.

    I posted an early 19th century edition; the orthography is in the Russian of that time, but the language is obviously about the same as modern Ukrainian. As close as early 19th century English is to modern English (and much closer than Shakespeare to modern English).

    Furthermore, “Aneida” was a joke, an attempt to juxtapose classical Greece with a rustic colloquial Russian dialect. It’s a Russian work written in Russian.

    I posted it, there was a Russian and Little Russian version. Obviously the latter was not “written in Russian.”

  • I agree that the USSR displayed far more willpower and tolerance to sustain losses than the Russian Empire, it was arguably the main advantage of the Stalinist system over the Imperial Russian system in warfare.

  • Swiss are generally quite slow-witted, that’s something even they admit.

    That’s because they are modest.

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

    PISA scores, Mean

    Finland 529
    Netherlands 519
    Switzerland 518
    Germany 515
    Czech Republic 500
    Denmark 498
    Spain 490
    Hungary 487

    Slovakia 472
    American Latinos 465

    Slovaks way closer to US Latinos than they are to the Swiss. Or to the Hungarians.

  • German official records suggest the military sustained around 2.7 million killed and missing through to January 31 1945 on the eastern front, most scholars estimate further losses of around 600,000 killed and captured in February, March and April at most for 3.3 million overall. The overall figure itself has been criticised by many historians as being between 15 to 20% to low. That’s why I gave a figure of 4 million which is an appropriate upward adjustment of German casualty figures in my opinion and represents a more maximal estimate of German losses.

  • Thulean Friend says

    I certainly appreciate contrarian opinions. I personally think it looks ugly and deformed. However, if the architect was going for a “modern” design, he should have gone balls to the walls. No compromises or half-assed attempts. He tried to mash together a vertical ship together with a normal non-descript brick building which made the whole attempt menaingless. As if he had a change of heart or a moment of hesitation.

    For example, compare this:

    https://i.imgur.com/sHEgW86.jpg

    to this:

    https://i.imgur.com/8ZxjAX7.jpg

    Even if you’re lukewarm/skeptical on modern architecture, if you’re going to do it, then at least do it thoroughly. Go all in or go home.

    I’d argue it looks better then the glass dildos

    https://i.imgur.com/fitdliK.jpg

    Even glass dildos can be done better or worse.

  • TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Out of curiosity, why was Yugoslavia a disastrous project?
    In all honesty, it seemed like it solved all, be it past or future, problems of every Yugoslav ethnic group.

    Yes, Yugoslavia was absolutely not a disastrous project at all and it solved all past and future problems of every ethnic group in the region. This was wonderfully demonstrated during certain events from 1941-1945 and 1991-2001, plus, of course, the situation of the present Balkans and former Yugoslavia ever since 2001 also confirms this …

    What are Serbs, going to do now, that Yugoslavia is no more?
    Recreate the Serbian medieval state, perhaps?
    Well get in line, with the Bulgars, Illirians, Byzantians, Ottomans, Croats etc.

    Apologies for being a bit harsh, but that’s the reality of folks living over there.

    First, you should tell the Russians that the USSR was wonderful for them and all their neighbors as it solved all past and future problems that they ever had or ever will have with each other. Then, you should tell the Russians that their nationalism or future aims and hopes are no different than those of their Svidomy or Muslim/Asian neighbors ambitions.

    Can you begin to understand just how blatantly ignorant, and absolutely uninformed your statements are now?

    Apologies for being a bit harsh, but that’s the reality of folks living over there.

    You should not make arrogant and bold statements about a subject matter which you have demonstrated a blatant lack of understanding and real knowledge about.

  • RadicalCenter says

    Yeah, but the confluence of the languages, cuisines, and styles of the German, French, and Italian peoples goes a long way — as does a plethora of German/French, German/Italian, French/Italian etc. women 🙂 🙂

  • Oh, the TotallyIdiot.
    I don’t recall asking you.
    Anyway, you did not address my questions.

    PS: for clarity I was referring to post WW2 Yugoslavia.

  • The first one is really disturbing, like some alien predator snacking on the poor old building.

    The pedestrians in the photo fleeing in terror would be appropriate.

  • The first one is really disturbing, like some alien predator snacking on the poor old building.

    The pedestrians in the photo fleeing in terror would be appropriate.

    https://i.imgur.com/sHEgW86.jpg

  • Delete this one please (I decided I might as well include the picture in my post, and erased this one with 10 seconds left; apparently it didn’t get done)

  • TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Did you seriously write a wall of text to that shitty bait?
    Hohol hatred of Russia always proxies into hatred of Serbia, hell you can find Ukranians who defend the Ottoman Empire (on Reddit ofcourse) and claim that the Russian Tsarist Tyranny destroyed a tolerant and multi-ethnic Muslim Empire

    Point is, this stuff doesn’t come from some logical conclusion, you’re wasting your time “debunking it”
    Just LOL it and move on

    You should take your own advice that you gave me earlier in this thread, especially considering AP has shown his truly malicious provocateur and troll nature in this thread, if not beforehand.

    Still, Mr. Hack is an exception as he does appear to be a genuine and sincere commentator despite his views on some matters.

  • I speak several languages, but German is not among them (beyond what you need in a restaurant). Yes, I was there for work-related reason, visiting collaborators at Paul Scherrer Institute in Villigen. The ticket machine was at the Brugg train station. The first time I struggled with it, and I guess it won, although I got a ticket that ticket controller on the train accepted. The second time a collaborator at PSI helped me get a bus+train ticket all the way to Zurich airport when I boarded the bus from Villigen to Brugg. Centralization has its virtues.

  • TheTotallyAnonymous says

    Oh, the TotallyIdiot.
    I don’t recall asking you.

    Cool, who cares Simplecuck?

    Anyway, you did not address my questions.

    PS: for clarity I was referring to post WW2 Yugoslavia.

    Doesn’t matter, both Yugoslavia’s were fundamentally artificial and faulty to the very core from their very inceptions. If you can’t understand it for one, you won’t be able to understand it for the other either.

  • you should tell the Russians that the USSR was wonderful for them

    You’d be dead wrong. Russia shook off a lot of parasites (“brotherly” republics and “brotherly” socialist countries) that the USSR stupidly fed. Now Russia looks and functions a hell of a lot better than in Soviet times. Moscow is magnificent, but most provincial cities also improved, as well as the roads between them (that’s tens of thousands of kilometers; some fields in rural Russia are bigger than many European countries). Apparently, new parasites, the mega-thieves (“oligarchs” is a relatively polite term) suck less lifeblood out of Russia than the old parasites did.

    Sure, the breakup of the USSR created some problems. The real one is that a lot of Russians happened to be outside of Russia. Russian government should have addressed this, but didn’t. The other – prevailing Russophobia in many former “brotherly” republics – is actually a sign of their deep inferiority complexes, mixed with bitter envy in more than half of the cases. I say, serves them right, let them stew in their primeval tribal stupidity.

  • Chinese demographics look bleaker and bleaker…

    Chongqing reported about 68,400 births among a total population of about 31 million from January to May, a decrease of nearly 30 percent compared with the same period last year.

    In Weifang, Shandong province, health authorities said 55,800 babies were born in the first half of the year, down 13.4 percent year-on-year, Dazhong Daily reported.

    Also in Shandong, about 5,000 births were recorded in Shenxian county, in the city of Liaocheng, from January to June, down by about 15 percent from the same period last year.

    Surveys in hospitals and communities in other areas, including Shaanxi, Anhui, Sichuan and Hebei provinces, also found a shrinking newborn population in the first half, with the rate of decrease ranging from 3 percent to 10 percent.

    The statistics bureaus in Yan’an, Shaanxi province, and Pingquan, Henan province, both said a major factor in declining birthrates was a lack of willingness to have children among couples of childbearing age due to the mounting costs of raising a child.

    “The generation born in the 1980s and 1990s no longer perceives having children as an essential part of their marriage, thus driving down the fertility rate,” the bureau in Yan’an said. “And those in their 30s and 40s find it difficult to balance work and their personal life, and tend to discard the idea of having a second child.”

    http://www.china.org.cn/china/2019-09/19/content_75221765.htm

  • Thulean Friend says

    YANG RISING

    https://i.imgur.com/FMS41IW.jpg

    Also this was the coomer who responded to him

    https://i.imgur.com/Ib6TTM7.jpg

    Coomers being coomers.

  • prevailing Russophobia in many former “brotherly” republics – is actually a sign of their deep inferiority complexes, mixed with bitter envy in more than half of the cases. I say, serves them right, let them stew in their primeval tribal stupidity.

    Not really. It’s just a manifestation of those who’ve finaly been able to shed the unwanted intrusions of an imperial master, one that meddled its way unwantingly into affairs of its smaller neighborly peoples. It’s telling that of all of the former republics, all have defected to the West and not a one has indicated any desire to reattach itself to Mother Russia. Of those that were once a core consituent republic, only Byelorus shows any signs at all of backstepping to its former colonial past. But then again, Byelorus was absolutely the most Russified of all of the Republics, filled with denationalized citizens. A great place for janissar 5th column renegades from all parts of the former Soviet Union?

  • “Cool, who cares Simplecuck?”

    Beware, “TotalIdiot” kind of sticks, Simplecuck, not so much.

    For the rest, please see AnonfromTN response.
    Russians were much wiser then you. And they should be.

    Now the question is, what’s next for Serbs?
    From what I can observe, it feels that Serbian society/nation is in disarray, and most importantly, in steep moral decline (not that I say this with any joy).
    Can you see that from your “vantage point” in Australia?

  • I had to look up the word “coomer.” LOL.

  • AP has shown his truly malicious provocateur and troll nature in this thread, if not beforehand.

    Nothng whatsoever malicious or provocatory about what I wrote.

  • Cmon Dmitry, you’re a very smart guy. It is in my opinion,total BS about the separation of church and state. In say ,1915 or 1855, there was less chance of a Roman Catholic being allowed to be US President, than there is now for the King of Saudi Arabia to be Orthodox jewish.
    Prohibition of Alcohol in the 1920s had a large Wasp vs Catholic political side to it.

    As for the eccentricities of the Mormon religion …..that is nothing more than a manifestation of Amercan insecurity and maybe even inferiority complex towards the great “old world” in Europe with all this great big history, institutions, science, architecture and so on behind it. At it’s most harmless it manifests itself in americans changing English pronunciations of words like anti (pronounced antee) into anTIE……and in other ways manifests itself in these weird methamophising of Christianity which is not just the Mormons but the 7th day Adventists and others. It is more a way of showing a middle finger to the old world, coupled with strange personalities that can develop in a frontier town in a harsh environment ( not much surprise that Conan-Doyle set the very first Sherlock Holmes story on Mormons, he had travelled to Utah)

    I felt a bit of this complexe on my family holiday to Majorca couple of months ago ( and actually on several non Amercan holidays before ) where I hardly came across any americans at the packed out beaches, or the nightclubs or the bars…..but I did come across a huge load of them in the old city and at Palma Cathedral in particular.

    Another side to all this is that in the majority of the west, attitudes to bankruptcy, until relatively recently ,were extremely negative……almost as much as to out of marriage children and faggots. In US there was the same attitude to fag and out of marriage kids……but nowhere near as much social stigma to bankruptcy, where there seems to be no conservatism. That is a big safety net for so-called innovation. Most other western countries would never even think of electing a guy with as many bankruptcies as Trump……and I once recall reading about Romney calling the Detroit car manufacturing industries as filing for bankruptcy as great for them. In the rest of the west they were always more conservative on this issue.

  • ….t feels that Serbian society/nation is in disarray, and most importantly, in steep moral decline (not that I say this with any joy)….

    Pretty much.

    Croats, apart from definitely on the same page re having an independent state, aren’t in much better shape.

    The third entity there, though, isn’t in disarray, apparently, and has a rather good idea what and how to do. They also have huge support from outside, including the major players, and are, by the very nature, patient, with long term goals.

  • Kent Nationalist says

    He looks like he uses reddit.

    Are there any countries which have succeeded in limiting access to pornography?

    An automatic block unless you applied for an exemption was supposed to have been implemented here, but is being perpetually delayed.

  • Because there is no such thing as a real “pan-Germanic” movement

    There isn’t a real pan-Slavic movement either, though both existed in the past
    But that it entirely beside the point

    African-Americans (who speak a Germanic language) bragging about being “Germanics” and the same people as other Germanics.

    Again, another false equivalence
    Southern Slavs have been Slavs since Slavs were recorded in history, them not having the same genetics as Northern groups does not disqualify them just as Germans and Swedes do not try to qualify eachother as “real Germanics”
    Neither do Southern Slavs claim to be the same people, I repeat, Serbs do not claim to be Russians nor do Croats claim to be Poles but they can easily assimilate in eachothers societies because they are very similar but still distinct
    Try seeing an African or Native American fully assimilate in a European country

    In fact, the reasons the New Serbia region vanished was because the Serbs there assimilated so completely that there was no distinction between them and the local Russians/Ukranians/Poles anymore
    African-Americans had an entirely alien culture from another continent imposed onto them, South Slavs were created out of a mingling of two European groups who were familiar to eachother, South Slavic culture and language was created, modified and preserved by the South Slavs themselves, it wasn’t created in the Dnieper region and then exported by some organised colonization in the 15th Century

    The comparison to Negros would make sense if you were talking about the Russian speaking Central Asians or the Russified Yakuts, but it doesn’t work in the context of the South Slavs

  • What he wrote is not a popular but also not an uncommon opinion
    I write my responses for whatever third party might read it, I know I won’t change his mind
    The comparisons to Africans are obvious baits, not that different from “Russia is Nigeria with nukes” or “Poland is Mexico with snow” but his arguments based on genetics and language deserve to be adressed
    I think I’ve made my point well enough, and I won’t be continuing the conversation

  • anonymous coward says

    Kotlyarevski published in St. Petersburg, not in Kiev. His target audience was educated Russian speakers, not “Little Russian” swineherders.

    His “Aeneid” was a joke, meant for Russian ears and Russian speakers.

    What you call the “Ukrainian language” is a fake and gay invented language like Esperanto, created in the 20th century.

    That is fake and gay language is partly based on a dumb Russian joke only makes it faker and gayer, it doesn’t make it more legitimate.

    P.S. Kotlyarevsky’s “Aeneid” is incredibly crass, even by modern debased standards. Venus is a “slut”, Zeus is “swilling moonshine”, “sons of bitches” everywhere, etc.

    P.P.S. His “Aeneid” is full of tortured syntax and strange words that aren’t part of colloquial modern Russian or the fake and gay modern “Ukrainian”. He must have been inventing words to a certain extent.

  • “I think I’ve made my point well enough, …”

    Agree and commend.

  • why was Yugoslavia a disastrous project

    You said in the other post that you were talking about post WW2 Yugoslavia, so let’s go over some facts that Yugonostalgics like to ignore
    Firstly after WW2 there were massacres of WW1 Serb war veterans, successfull peasants (my family just barely dodged this fate, by having their farm wrecked by the war and no longer being successfull) and other useful individuals that Communists like to murder

    Then came the border redrawings, the biggest loser was Serbia, having millions of Serbs cut out and having things like Montenegrin identity enforced by the state
    Serbia was the only republic with 2 autonomous provinces within it, the millions of Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro got no such benefit
    https://www.rastko.rs/istorija/srbi-balkan/img/fry4b.jpg

    Industry from the Serbian republic was moved to “punish Serbia for it’s imperialism” towards Western republics, this is what we get for covering Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia during Versailles and ensuring they don’t suffer the penalties of being the loser state in the biggest war in history
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relocation_of_Serbian_industry_during_the_Informbiro_period

    Refugees from Enver Hoxha were allowed to settle in Kosovo and Macedonia (both were already flashpoints but this just put more dry wood on the pile for future fires), the Macedonian region where the Albanians settled was once a Serb majority region and Kosovo is one of the cradle provinces of Serbia (Alongside Rashka and Montenegro) now they’re overrun by those animals
    The plan was to annex Albania as another Yugo republic but Stalin cockblocked Tito

    Everyone was moved from the countryside into tiny bugman apartments in various cities and fertility collapsed (this was a problem for every republic tho)

    And above all it FAILED, nobody would be hating on Soviet Communists today if they created a successfull socialist paradise and nobody would be hating on Yugoslavists if they didn’t fuck it all up after dear leader died, leaving us with less land then in fucking 1914 and with North Korea tier indoctrinated boomers and totally blackpilled Zoomers

    Recreate the Serbian medieval state, perhaps?

    No, we had a Serbian state in the 19th and 20th Century, so we have a lot of work cut out for us on that front
    The legacy of things like Dušans code and the Serbian constitution from the 19th Century serve as proof that we were not total idiotic tribal savages and for good national myth making (something all nations need)

    What needs to be adressed is the massive blackpill of society and to end the cargo cults and degeneracy fests, we’ve seen a lot of positive development recently but there is a long path to go
    We were punched into the dirt several times during the 20th Century but we survived, we pick ourselves up and we carry on

  • I think that you’ve made some pretty decent comments here (especially #385) pointing out some questionable points within AP’s arguments. Actually, I think AP (as ususal) is right on with the facts he presents, but I don’t quite know where he’s going with all of this? He even admits, that an important sub-component of the Ukrainian ethnos is “Balkanoid”, so perhaps he should be a little more judicious to these folks. 🙂 He’s even conceded that it’s rather likely that the Croats, another “Balkanoid” people probably got there first strong impetus from the White Croat tribe centered in Western Ukraine.

    Nobody here has contradiced his claim that perhaps no more than 25% of the modern day Serbian ethnos has real “superace” slavic genetic structure. My question is where is AP going with all of this? Does this mean that the Serbian nation today is somehow inferior to Poland, Ukraine, Byelorus or even Russia? Is the civilization that they’ve created for themselves somehow suffered due to a loss of “superace” genes? I think he has a long way to go to subtantiate anything like this.

    On a lighter note, it’s reassuring to see that AK has upped his claim to superace genes from 50% to 65%. (I always suspected that this was the cae, even though I showed in an earlier thread that his clan probably originated in Ireland). 🙂

  • Thanks for again demonstrating yourself being wrong as usual.

    Kotlyarevski published in St. Petersburg, not in Kiev. His target audience was educated Russian speakers, not “Little Russian” swineherders.

    While it was indeed published in St. Petersburg (this is perhaps the first correct thing you have written or thought in three months), Eneida was first published by another Ukrainian, who was living there, Maxym Parpura:

    https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парпура_Максим_Йосипович

    His target audience was the many Ukrainains who were living in St. Petersburg and occupied a lot of administrative posts.

    The problem with your fake claim that it was written in the Russian language is that it is available online:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Eneida_Osipov_Kotlayrevsky.jpg

    Left page Russian, right page Little Russian/Ukrainian. It’s as close to modern Ukrainian as late 18th century English is to modern English.

    What you call the “Ukrainian language” is a fake and gay invented language like Esperanto, created in the 20th century.

    As we can see above, there is an example from the 1790s. Earlier examples occur in the early 1600s.

    Russian, loaded up with Church Slavonic and French words, is far more artificial and invented than is Ukrainian. I already made this point before, you are not only wrong but unoriginal. From another anon poster:

    “…modern Russian, from the historic perspective, is a very young and largely artificially created language, a sort of Esperanto; and it hasn’t had enough time, unlike Ukrainian, to develop the variety of linguistic forms and shortcuts that emerge only when a language is used naturally and for a long period of time by common people communicating with one another daily , rather than via being concocted in an ivory tower. As a result, there’re thousands of Ukrainian shortcut adverbs (e.g.: торік, чимдуж, etc.) that can be expressed in Russian only by using a combination of three separate words. Likewise, Ukrainian has three single-word superlative degrees, while Russian has only one…Ukrainian has single-word forms of Future Imperfect (e.g. матиму, матимемо, матимеш, матиме, матимуть) completely absent from Russian. Ukrainian has the Plus Quam Perfectum tense (e.g. він почав був читати, та його зупинили); Russian doesn’t. And the list goes on and on.

    Another example: “the single-word Future Imperfect (майбутній час недоконаного виду) that is absent from Russian where it can be formed only with the Future form of the auxiliary verb “to be”. E.g. “We will live” in Russian can be formed only as “Мы будем жить”, whereas in Ukrainian, both as “Ми житимемо” (one word for “will live”) and “Ми будемо жити” (“to be” in the Future + Infinitive). Another tense Russian doesn’t have is Plus Quam Perfectum (Past Perfect in English) called in Ukrainian “давноминулий час” and indicating an action finished before some moment in the past, e.g. “Я був читав”.

    While in U, all of the above forms were present in common everyday speech in the 1700′s (that’s the speech and vocabulary Kotliarevsky used to write “The Aeneid” published in 1798), R at the time was a mere rudiment of what it has become after Pushkin and is today.”

    P.S. Kotlyarevsky’s “Aeneid” is incredibly crass, even by modern debased standards.

    Mozart:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch

    “Leck mich im Arsch” (literally “Lick me in the arse”) is a canon in B-flat major composed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, K. 231 (K. 382c), with lyrics in German. It was one of a set of at least six canons probably written in Vienna in 1782

    And you must hate Chaucer then:

    The Miller’s Tale, by Geoffrey Chaucer

    This Absolon gan wype his mouth ful drie.
    Derk was the nyght as pich, or as a cole
    An at the wyndow out she putte her hole,
    and Ansolon, hym fil no bet ne wers
    But with his mouth he kiste hir naked ers
    Ful savorly, er he were war of this.
    Aback he stirte and thoghte it was amys,
    For wel he wiste a womman hath no berd,
    He felte a thyng al rough and long yherd,
    And seyde, “Fy! Allas! what have I to do?”

    Translation into modern English:

    Absolon wiped his mouth dry.
    The night was as dark as pitch, or as coal,
    And out the window she stuck her hole,
    And Absolon it befell no better or worse,
    But with his mouth he kissed her naked arse,
    Savoring it before he knew what it was.
    Back he jumped and thought it was strange,
    For well he knew a woman has no beard.
    He felt a thing all rough and long haired
    And said, “Fie! Alas! what have I done?”

  • Since Albanians have come up in this thread they’ve been making a name for themselves in the UK.

    Albanians are now the most numerous non-Brits in jail

    Albanians make up 10% of all foreign nationals in British jails, knocking Poles from the top of the charts at 8%. Romanians, probably Gypsies, along with the Irish are also at 8% with Jamaicans at 5%. Of course, a lot of the Jamaicans, not to mention ethnic Asian inmates, probably have British citizenship. In Ireland – Northern and the Republic – Lithuanians would almost certainly be at the top or at least second place.

  • Your command of the facts is on full display here again, and your conclusions are logical and true. How many times must you show this dilitente the back door?…

  • Actually, I think AP (as ususal) is right on with the facts he presents, but I don’t quite know where he’s going with all of this?

    Just to point out the ridiculousness of Balkanoids being also some sort of pan-Slavists, when they are hardly Slavic by descent and are basically just Slavic by language. It would be like if some Guatemalan Mestizos proclaimed themselves to be uber-Spaniard patriots or African-Americans hardcore “Germanics.”

    It was partly on the basis of this fake mythology that the tragedies of the early 20th century happened. I also think that this fake idea drives soem Serbs to volunteer to come to Donbas and shoot at Ukrainians.

    He even admits, that an important sub-compnent of the Ukrainian ethnmos is “Balkanoid”

    This may explain why Ukrainans, on average, are not quite as smart as their Polish and Russian neighbors. I suspect they are comparable to southern Russians (who are not quite as smart as the Russian average), or Slovaks. Ukrainians are probably around 10% Balkanoid. Maybe that is why.

    Does this mean that the Serbian nation today is somehow inferior to Poland, Ukraine, Byelorus or even Russia?

    Why “even” Russia? Russia is the most successful of the Slavic countries. If it weren’t destroyed by Bolshevism it might very likely have become a global hyperpower.

    Balkan peoples, on average, are not as smart as Slavs. That’s a fact.

    PISA scores again (Slavic nations and Balkan nations in bold):

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

    Finland 529
    Poland 521
    Switzerland 518
    White Americans 518
    Germany 515

    Czech Republic 500
    Slovenia 499
    Hungary 487
    Lithuania 484
    Croatia 482
    Russia 481*
    Slovakia 472

    Hispanic Americans 465

    Serbia 447
    Bulgaria 440
    Romania 440

    African Americans 434

    Montenegro 414
    Albania 395

    Is the civilization that they’ve created for themselves somehow suffered due to a loss of “superace” genes?

    Well, they aren’t very Slavic by descent. But they are also in a tough neighborhood with a bad history.

    *Russia is 20% non-Slavic. The Tatars, Chechens, etc. bring the Russian average way down.

  • Thank you!

  • I don’t know the book.

    But Last of the Mohicans – this is definitely the most stylish and aesthetic film about American history.

    In the 1980s, Hollywood films are some of the best of any cinematic history. Last of the Mohicans, Bladerunner, Aliens.

    I wonder why America cannot make great films like that now. It’s only 30 years later, and yet in the 21st century nobody can make films of even half of this level.

  • Kent Nationalist says

    I wonder why America cannot make great films like that now. It’s only 30 years later, and yet in the 21st century nobody can make films of even half of this level.

    Audiences no longer have a sense of shame

  • Your point is clear. However, there must be individuals within the Balkan peoples that score very high on IQ tests etc that indicates that genetics does not wholly explain the differences in IQ among the nationalities. In Ukraine’s instance, it doesn’t seem possible that the minute influx of Serbians into the southern Ukrainian steppe could have had such a negative influence on the overall population. Where else could these Balkanoids have come from to comprise 10% of the Ukrainain gene structure? Our Romanian friend Seraphim undoubtedly possesses a high IQ, as I’m sure many other Balkanoids do too.

  • It is reported that Japanese have extremely high working hours, but not high productivity during those hours. Maybe the Japanese boss goes home early, but the Japanese salaryman can often likes to work in the office until 11pm or even 1am.

    Personally, I am similar, and sometimes work in the office until 3am. But this is only because I like to waste so much time during the day relaxing or watching YouTube videos or “having a break” for every hour I work.

    I don’t understand economists’ emphasis on productivity per hour. Because a lot of people like to have low productivity per hour, but simply to “work” for more hours (low productivity per hour can be basically just a way of diluting the intensity of the work and making it more relaxing, less stressful).

  • Southern Slavs have been Slavs since Slavs were recorded in history,

    Epigon seemed to show that there were a Slavic people called Serbs who kept their distance from Balkanoids until the Ottoman occupation, when they were swamped by and absorbed by the Balkanoids. Now those mixed, Slavic-langage speaking people are still called Serbs. Modern Serbs are only about 25% Slavic.*

    It would be like if a population of 25% English and 75% African slaves got mixed together but still referred to themselves as “Englishmen.” And celebrated English heroes as “their” heroes. Okay, fine, they can call themselves what they want. But that wouldn’t make them a “Germanic” people. And they would be utterly ridiculous if they followed some kind of pan-Germanic cause. Even more so if this pan-Germanism brought them into confict with actual Germanics like Swedes or Germans.
    Croats are more Slavic than Serbs, and Ukrainians unlike Serbs are actual Slavs. Yet out of some pan-Slavism these Balkanoids have gotten into conflicts with them.

    Try seeing an African or Native American fully assimilate in a European country
    In fact, the reasons the New Serbia region vanished was because the Serbs there assimilated so completely that there was no distinction between them and the local Russians/Ukranians/Poles anymore

    There were also very few of them. Mexico and Argentina totally absorbed their small colonial-era African populatons. But sure, Balkanoids, like Arabs, Greeks or Caucasians, are Caucasian people. Though they aren’t Slavs.

    *I guess if in the future England gets totally swamped by Jamaicans, Nigerians, Pakistanis etc. so that eventually the people in England will be only of 25% English origin, largely mixed but still English-speaking, we will have a rough analogue to modern Serbs vs. medieval Serbs.

  • superace

    One branch of this super race is launching men to the ISS from Baikonur, one is selling it’s daughters to Kikes in Tel Aviv, one is fighting against another branch in Donetsk and one is fucking little boys in Kabul
    No one is safe from bad branches, and sometimes they need to broken or trimmed (sorry Weihan)

    South Slavs helped found the American space program (Pupin), charted the Earths movements over thousands of years (Milankovic) and defined the boundry of the Earths crust and mantle layer (Mohorovcic), there were even Serbs working on the Appolo program (Vucelic and at least 6 others)
    This isn’t even to mention Tesla and the Cyrillic alphabet
    Under the right conditions a healthy tree could grow here, even if not as fruit bearing as other trees

    I do not want them compared to Africans and Mestizos

    Looking at Ukraine today it is easy to poke at it and make nasty comparisons but it would be unfair and posters here disrespect Ukranians sometimes too much (though you are asking for it sometimes), so I know you understand this feeling
    Everyone here wants Ukraine to prosper, we only disagree under which flag

    Since Western Europe and Anglosphere have decided to commit suicide by immigration it falls to Slavs and East Asians to carry the metaphorical torch, and the questions we discuss here will need to be answered if we are a to have a future together
    A united Slavic state is unlikely and foolish to expect, but something like a Slavic EU or the Intermarrium are not, should NATO and/or the EU collapse these will be the options on the table

    I don’t want you or AP to stop posting, but I do want posts to be of a higher quality, though I also do want to own a unicorn too (heres hoping for crispr ponies)

  • Well, most Middle Eastern countries will formally have it illegal watching pornography – however they will probably lack state capacity to block it on the internet.

    As Israel becomes more culturally Middle Eastern every year, they are now wanting to demotivate people to access it in their ISP (and they criminalized prostitution as well this year).

    Perhaps if a new centre-left government is elected, they will be undo this.

    The Knesset approved the first reading of a bill limiting the Israeli access to porn-sites and sites presenting adult-related materials on Tuesday.

    Designed to protect minors from exposure and consumption of pornographic content, the bill demands web-service providers to send a message to house-holds with internet access asking if they wish to have such sites blocked or not.

    Should they decline the offer they will be asked to provide personal information proving that they are adults and are the ones paying for the service.

    Israelis who do not respond to these messages will still be able to access the internet, but will be sent this message every three months.

    For each Israeli who wishes the web provider to block adult content on his or her service, the web provider will get NIS 2 from the State of Israel, which allocated NIS 5 million annually for a decade.

    The Knesset also approved adopting the Nordic Model in relation to sex workers this week.

    The new law, which will go into effect in 18 months, will criminalize the hiring of sex workers and is a part of a fuller effort to establish social and mental support to help people in the sex work industry to exit the field before the law comes into effect.

    The Nordic Model, which criminalizes people who hire sex workers, is the toughest legal framework designed to end sex work in the West. Seen by some as a needed legal step to prevent the abuse of women, men, and minors who are doing sex work – the law is seen by others as a state intervention on people’s right’s and bodies as well as a criminalizing human activity that will be very hard to prevent.

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Ahead-of-elections-Knesset-pushes-porn-sex-workers-laws-576038

  • Your point is clear. However, there must be individuals within the Balkan peoples that score very high on IQ tests etc that indicates that genetics does not wholly explain the differences in IQ among the nationalities.

    IQ averages across populations don’t explain geniuses (who are extreme outlier anyways) and can’t explain stuff like the German miracle of the 19th century or the Greek miracle in ancient times. The Serb Tesla may have been more brilliant than any individual Slav, after all. I’ve known very smart blacks, but their population average is not very good.

    But IQ averages tell us something about overall societal trends and what one can expect from people, collectively.

    In Ukraine’s instance, it doesn’t seem possible that the minute influx of Serbians into the southern Ukrainian steppe could have had such a negative influence on the overall population.

    Ukraine’s Balkanoid admixture is ancient and doesn’t have anything to do with the minute Serb settlement. It has to do with ancient tribes and ratios of mixing and migration before recorded history. I wonder of Trypillians were Balkanoids who were absorbed by Slavs moving southward. Or over the centuries small numbers of Romanians or proto-Romanians mixed with neighboring Slavs in Ukraine (for similar reasons, Romanians are more Slavic by descent than are their Slavic-speaking Balkan neighbors even though Romanians don’t speak a Slavic language).

  • Thanks. I try to be objective, and generally am. As I wrote, I have far more sympathy for Serbs than for Turks or Albanians (the theft of Kosovo was a crime) and I certainly don’t wish ill upon your people. Even though you aren’t real Slavs 🙂

  • OK. We’ll leave it at that.
    I sincerely hope that you will eventually (and soon) recognize that own national myths are the biggest enemy of a nation (just look no further then the “exceptional” nation).
    I wish you well.

  • Those White Serbs wouldn’t have accomplished much without the Balkan natives, since they relied on them and other mercenaries to fight their wars and did intermarry with them once they spent enough time with them

    The main Hero myth of the Serbs, rooted in history, is the Kosovo battle, the story of the battle is uniting disparate groups under the banner of Serbs
    Tsar Dušan himself was obviously of I2 stock since he was brown haired, brown eyed and described as uncommonly tall
    That 25% gives us a relation to the other Slavs but provides distinction in the same way Swedes are related to Germans but distinct

    The word you are looking for is Proto-Slavic, in which case I would agree, the most Proto-Slavic people are probably Belorussians while the Balkans are obviously less Proto-Slavic
    Just as Germans are less Proto-Germanic then Danes or Swedes, but are still Germanics
    Though the Balkans did have a large Proto-Slavic population in the past it got culled in the near constant and brutal fighting that the region suffered from over the course of 1000 years

    And celebrated English heroes as “their” heroes.

    We have several heroes from different ages, we don’t need to nick them from other Slavs, if that was what you were implying

    conflict

    The conflict in Ukraine doesn’t stem out of Pan-Slavism, it stems out of Pan-Rus-ism and CIA niggers

    And Germanics have given up on all ethnic politics, thus allowing themselves to get swamped by subhumans, now you have Africans with exactly 0% Germanic in them claiming to be Swedes
    Pan-Ethnic movements are useful once developed, it allowed for the creation of the most powerfull European country (at the time)
    The groundwork for it was layed long before Bismarck arrived, he just used it smartly while Slavs use it poorly

  • I think Mormons’ divergence is more extreme, than just ” inferiority complex towards the great “old world””.

    They created a new religion, where they wear “holy underwear” and yet they could have a large scale of independence and control in Utah.

    I don’t know how accurate this description of Mormon theology?

    But they allegedly had in the past, a claim of vengeance against USA for killing Joseph Smith.

  • “…for similar reasons, Romanians are more Slavic by descent than are their Slavic-speaking Balkan neighbors even though Romanians don’t speak a Slavic language”

    LOL. What a mess.

  • own national myths are the biggest enemy of a nation

    Depends which kind I guess
    I hate overly masturbatory history, I prefer well sourced history arranged to form the prefered narrative (history doesn’t have a default narrative, it always needs to be fictional but that doesn’t mean it needs to be false)

    One should toe a fine line of being honest but also marketing yourself
    Karlins suggestion of creating a Russian museum and framing the narrative the same way Jews do it is the perfect example
    The Jews keep getting expelled but it’s because of those evil anti-semites, Russians would have a much easier time with it since they are way less despicable then kikes and have arguably suffered more through their history (what with originating in the most inhospitable region on the planet)

    Most Slavs ought to frame their histories this way: “Times are often hard, but we gain wisdom from those hard times and we come back stronger”
    Then give a list of previous successes to prove it’s not all empty hopes and a complementary funny hat

  • Romanians are more Slavic by descent than are their Slavic-speaking Balkan neighbors even though Romanians don’t speak a Slavic language

    What’s the proof for that, their R1a content?
    Does that mean R1a Pashtuns and Tajiks are Slavic too?

  • “…you aren’t real Slavs… “ – Where did you get this meme? To what purpose? Why do you keep pounding it?

    Sad but unavoidable deterioration of quality of AK commentariat. Stupidity is infectious. The root of AK weltanschauung is evil and will always lead to trolling.

  • I wonder of Trypillians were Balkanoids who were absorbed by Slavs moving southward.

    You could be on to something here. This old ethnicity was pretty much evenly spread between both Romania and Ukraine. It might have played a greater role in the Romanian genetic structure for even today, with all of the immigration out of Ukraine going on, Romania still has roughtly half the population of Ukraine, 19.400,000 vs 42,000,000 (2019 estimates). There’s no doubt, that Hungary has had a very large percentage of Slavic dilution in its ethnogenesis, both Ukrainian mostly from Transcarpathia and South Slav.

  • Perhaps one flaw in AP’s analogy between the meztisos ‘specious’ claim to Spanish heritage and South Slav adherence to a Slavic one, notwithstanding the inclusion of non-Slavic older Balkan elements, is that the later includes the melding of two sub-groups of the same race, whereas in the former it’s comprised actually of two groups from different races?

  • I wonder why America cannot make great films like that now. It’s only 30 years later

    The barrier to financial success in film has gotten much lower, so it is less necessary for films to be a critical success.

    Partly, this is due to a bigger global audience, partly due to changed distribution channels, partly it is due to changed demographics in the US. I believe the majority of movie goers in the US are no longer white.

    There is also a pretty sharp political change that has come from the internet, which has encouraged virtue-signaling.

    But, if I had to reduce it all to one statement, I’d say America no longer has a culture, and good art is properly part of culture. I think this really shows in overseas adaptations. When the Japanese adapt an idea from the West, it is a Japanese take on an idea. When America adapts an idea from Japan, despite all the angry SJWs, it is a globalist adaptation, not an American one.

  • simple_pseudonymic_handle says

    It looks like the Titanic half submerged and half sticking up in the air. Is that the intent?

  • The usual explanation for 19th C, indeed 20th C too, German acheivment is education and training. Training is important; the lower and middle ranks are nurtured and valued not just the top.

    Notoriously, 19th C Serbs elected to tax school books instead of vodka.

  • Japanese take on an idea

    Japan can be a special case.

    However, for example, Italy has distinctive culture as any country in the world. And Italy also cannot produce good films now.

    a globalist adaptation, not an American one.

    But then you can wonder about why there is such a terrible deterioration in the quality of globalist adaptation.

    If you remember the maybe other most beautiful film about American history – “Once upon a time in the West”.

    This film was made by Italians, and filmed in Spain, with American and Italian actors, while based on core American mythology and history. The globalized film could be better than mononational film, in that time.

  • It’s telling that of all of the former republics, all have defected to the West and not a one has indicated any desire to reattach itself to Mother Russia.

    A lie, as usual, or a “svidomy” dream, which is the same thing. Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, and Armenia are in a permanent customs union with Russia.

    “Svidomy” butt-hurt about military exercises Center-2019 is even funnier. 128 thousand personnel from eight countries participated: Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. Collectively they provided 20 thousand military vehicles, 600 aircraft, and 15 ships. The drills involved the territory of four countries: Russia, Kazakhstan, Kirgizstan, and Tajikistan. So, five former Soviet republics participated and the territory of four of them was involved. Considering that before that there were drills of combined military of Russia and Belarus, five out of 14 former Soviet republics participated in military drills with Russia just in the last few months.

    These drills dwarf the drills Ukraine recently conducted with its sahibs, the US (Rapid Trident-2019). If I were “svidomy”, I’d promptly hang myself. Thank goodness, I am normal.

  • It’s clear from everything that you write that you were a lousy citizen of Ukraine, a typical Donbas vatnyk, who still can’t shake his rude upbringing. You’re a lousy citizen of the US too and make a great case against immigration.

  • R1A in Europe is associated with Slavs. Since there is no record of Pashtun or Tajik migration into Romania it can be inferred that R1A among Romanians comes from Slavic neighbors rather than from anyone else.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg/220px-Distribution_Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.svg.png

    Moreover Central Asian R1A can be differentiated from Slavic R1A (there is also a Scandinavian R1A – Z284 subclade). Romanians have mostly the Slavic R1A.

  • The former just makes things more obvious and clears things up.

  • “…you aren’t real Slavs… “ – Where did you get this meme? To what purpose? Why do you keep pounding it?

    I find migration patterns and these self-identifications to be interesting. When I was in New Mexico I saw a population claiming to be Spaniards who spoke a well-preserved 16th century Spanish dialect in their villages. They are, genetics shows, about 20% Indian.

    Sad but unavoidable deterioration of quality of AK commentariat. Stupidity is infectious.

    I still enjoy your comments, including your critical ones.

  • This is response is not for you, it is for honest readers.

    Additional info on former Soviet republics that I did not mention above. Azerbaijan keeps buying Russian weapons, paying billions of $ in hard cash. In fact, in 2008 Azerbaijan flatly refused to condemn Russian military response to Georgian aggression against South Ossetia. American uber-scum Dick Cheney, who was vice-president at the time on a visit to Baku, got so mad that he refused to show up at the official dinner with Azeri president. I guess it was good for his health: he was fat enough as it is.

    Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan studiously observe neutrality, whereas Tajikistan invited Russian troops to guard its border with Afghanistan. In fact, only five former Soviet republics became American boot-lickers: three Baltic statelets, Georgia, and Ukraine. Out of these, only Ukraine has the population worth mentioning: the population of the three Baltic midgets plus Georgia is much smaller than the population of Moscow. When I say that Ukraine has the population, it’s an educated guess: under various pretexts Ukraine did not conduct a census for 18 years and does not plan to have one in the foreseeable future. Estimates of its population vary wildly. One thing one can be sure of so far: it’s population w/o Crimea and Donbass (neither of which will ever return, even if Ukraine changes its government to something sane) is greater that the combined population of the other four.

    To lighten the mood, a recent Ukrainian joke about elections:
    A guy comes to the polling station, casts his vote, then asks:
    – Did my wife vote?
    – Yes, here is her signature.
    – Dash it, I am late again. See, she died 15 years ago, but votes every time. I keep hoping to meet her here.

  • Most Slavs ought to frame their histories this way: “Times are often hard, but we gain wisdom from those hard times and we come back stronger”

    Reminds me of an American saying “experience is what you get when you don’t get what you want”.

  • You are correct, but the Warsaw Pact countries all fled Westward. So in Europe, Ukraine, Poland, Baltics, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Georgia (in Europe?) and Bulgaria all abandoned Moscow.

    In fact, in 2008 Azerbaijan flatly refused

    This country is stuck between Russia and Iran. It’s “calm” attitude towards Russia is hardly voluntary.

  • Eastern Europe was forced into the USSR orbit by an agreement between the USSR, the US, and the UK, neither of which cared about the opinions of the aborigines. Besides, you are talking about governments, not necessarily the people. I know for a fact that the population of Bulgaria, Montenegro, Slovakia, and even Poland sees things differently than their governments. Even the governments of quite a few countries are divided on the issue, although it’s always cheaper to buy the elites than the populace.

    This country is stuck between Russia and Iran. It’s “calm” attitude towards Russia is hardly voluntary.

    That would be a good reason to seek outside alliances. Azeri authorities just practice Eastern wisdom of not creating enemies unnecessarily. Besides, refusing the Empire and buying huge amounts of weapons can hardly be called “calm attitude”.

  • I know for a fact

    blah, blah, blah…

    Real persuasive argumentation – give me a break!

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRibe_HKIBeqSCHMHTjg06we_gSfdki7EXjzwBzzbQ85yiSqS1

  • Sorry, both common sense and fastidiousness do not allow me open links suggested by trolls and crazies.

  • Sleazy CNN Segment

    Re: https://twitter.com/TGiftiv/status/1175351477788958720

    Originally aired in the early morning hours (NY time) on Saturday, September 21, UCL academic Thomas Gift, has ample reason to not show the whole segment, which serves as a classic example of lousy journalism. Gift and CNN host Natalie Allen carried on like crude propagandists. Towards the end of the segment, Gift tacked on the scapegoating of Russia – as if that country is somehow involved in the suspect manner concerning Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

    In the CNN segment’s entirety, Gift belittles the credible claim concerning Joe Biden threatening Ukraine with aid money, if a certain Ukrainian prosecutor wasn’t fired for seeking to investigate the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, which employed Biden’s son. What this particular CNN segment (as well as some others on that station and MSNBC) have omitted:

    Here’s Joe Biden clearly bragging about his threatening Ukraine if said Ukrainian prosecutor wasn’t dismissed:

    After getting kicked out of the navy for using cocaine, Hunter Biden, received a position with Burisma, which has been linked to corruption. Hunter Biden’s reported salary at that company is reported at well over $100K a month. This is an especially high salary for someone like him, lacking prior work experience related to the position.

    After this matter was reported in US mass media, Hunter Biden’s affiliation with Burisma ended. Relative to the hoopla over Russiagate, the negative attention given to Donald Trump and his children, Joe and Hunter Biden should be considered fair game.

    Some pro-Democratic Party leaning talking heads are aghast that an American president (Trump) might’ve sought negative information on a potential US presidential candidate (Biden) from a foreign head of state (Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky). If that negative information is true, then what’s the big deal if the ideal is to be as well versed as possible on someone like Joe Biden?

    As for using a foreign government to defame a presidential campaign, note the credible evidence linking a DNC effort to try to find negativity on the 2016 Trump campaign, involving the highly paid (over $400K) DNC contractor Alexandra Chalupa (a Ukrainian-American political activist) and the Ukrainian embassy in DC. Related:

    https://medium.com/@stranahan/the-difference-between-wikileaks-and-cnn-is-clear-on-ukraine-dnc-election-collusion-bc5208776d38

  • PISA scores again (Slavic nations and Balkan nations in bold):

    It is at the moment its incorrect information (what have you been told before), That PISA 2015
    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisa-2015-results-in-focus.pdf

    Finland 523
    Slovenia 509
    Germany 508
    Switzerland 506
    Poland 504
    Russia 492
    Czech Republic 491
    Hungary 475
    Lithuania 475
    Croatia 475
    Slovakia 463
    Serbia Absent in List
    Bulgaria 440
    Romania 434
    Montenegro 419
    Albania 415

  • Sailer’s link to the 2012 results included scores by American whites, Latinos and blacks for comparison, this is why I used it. It is also easier and quicker to see the data.

    The numbers here don’t contradict anything I’ve written. Switzerland well above Slovakia, Balkans at the bottom.

  • Sailer’s link to the 2012 results included scores by American whites, Latinos and blacks for comparison

    Well then the list will look like this:

    Finland 523
    White Americans 518 (Sailer 2012)
    Slovenia 509
    Germany 508
    Switzerland 506
    Poland 504
    Russia 492
    Czech Republic 491
    Hungary 475
    Lithuania 475
    Croatia 475
    Hispanic Americans 465 (Sailer 2012)
    Slovakia 463
    Serbia Absent in List
    Bulgaria 440
    African Americans 434 (Sailer 2012)
    Romania 434
    Montenegro 419
    Albania 415

    But in my opinion it’s a absolutely pointless list (for example who may be able to believe that Montenegrins are much worst in intellect than African Americans?)

  • Thulean Friend says

    Completely blocking access to porn is unlikely to work. And even if it was possible, I would still be against it on grounds of freedom of choice.

    Yang wasn’t hinting at blocking it. He wanted to introduce greater ease for parents to limit access for kids, rather than a blanket ban. We can’t pretend that the creeping sexualisation of our culture is happening organically or by coincidence. It has been very deliberate. Yang’s a technocrat, so he likely has technological solutions in mind here, rather than a fuller Weltanschauung but his conservative instinct, no matter how embryonic, is undeniable here.

    And no wonder. When this is one of the most popular artists in America and has over 50 million followers on instagram, many of them younger women.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B1WlObiA4bp/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

    Anyone who tells you popstars aren’t rolemodels for young kids either doens’t have teenagers and kids, is either stupid or silently approves of the decay.
    Once again we face the biggest obstacle: defeatism and fatalism. The notion that just because things have deterioated, they can’t possibly ever improve. Nothing is further from the truth.

  • Thulean Friend says

    I would be cautious at taking the 2015 results at face value. There were very signicant methodological changes, which crashed the scores of many high-achieving countries (such as Finland, while still scoring decently, did far worse than previously for no discernible reason). Another would be China. The shift to computers also affected this.

    Sweden, which certainly did not have better demographics in 2015 than it had in 2012 suddenly saw a jump. Relatively low performers like Brazil also got a big boost.

    There was an interesting article on it a few years ago:

    https://theconversation.com/how-shift-to-computer-based-tests-could-shake-up-pisa-education-rankings-54869

    The TL;DR is that the 2015 PISA is a fairly substantial discontinuity in methodological practice and should be treated with caution. I’d take the three-PISA average from 2006, 2009 and 2012 as a better underlying measurement, preferably also seperating out the immigrant population, to get a better sense of the native capabilities. There are some outliers to this rule, such as Russia, which was still recovering from the 1990s malaise. But that is a one-off. Most OECD countries did not have that kind of shock, including virutally all ex-communist OECD members.

  • Actually, your inability to provide any detiail for such a questionable statement is sloppy on your part, not the sign of somebody who pays much attention to providing detail.

  • If that negative information is true, then what’s the big deal if the ideal is to be as well versed as possible on someone like Joe Biden?

    You conveniently leave out the important part here Mickey, where supposedly Trump was withholding military equipment to Ukraine if Zelensky’s team would not pursue investigating Biden’s role in getting his son hired to such a well paying job. The US did, however, eventually provide Ukraine with the military equipment.

  • things have deteriorated,

    Across the world, Generation Z have less sex and drugs, compared to Millennials (whether in Russia or America).

    And I think I read about in America, Millennial have less sex and drugs compared to Generation X.

    So, current trend is that generations are becoming more introverted and reclusive (perhaps more Japanese).

    most popular artists in America

    Visually, we have higher tolerance to nudity in media, probably because of clickbait in the internet.

    At the same time, pop music is becoming less about sex, and has moved to another stage already.

    Compare for examples songs by Madonna, in the 1980s -these all about sex.

    Lyrics of Katy Perry are now singing, not about sex – but about machines. Probably in 30 years in the future, people will be nostalgic and regretful for the time when pop songs were sex and drugs – instead of being narcissistic songs only about consumer technology and human-computer interaction.

  • And songs about sex and drugs are somehow less narcissistic than ones about consumer technology and human-computer interaction? You don’t even need to roll your own anymore nor inhale much expending energy thanks to electronic vaping gadgets. And sex? Thanks to technology you don’t even need a human partner anymore, computers provide a virtual reality thrill ride image hooked up to a plastic doll…”Ride-em Cowboy” 🙁

  • Thorfinnsson says

    If Ukrainians actually are dimmer than Russians, Balkanoid and perhaps Tatar admixture play a role. But I would suspect the main causes are:

    1) The North-South East Slavic cline, with northerners being more intelligent. These northern East Slavs are in Belarus and Russia, but not the Ukraine.

    2) Since the Ukraine has rarely had an independent existence, over the past few centuries ambitious Ukrainians have ended up relocating imperial centers and gradually assimilating in those ethnic groups. So many talented Ukrainians over time became Polish or Russian (or rather their descendants did). There may also be a non-trivial impact by Italian and Turkish slaving operations, depending on what sort of slaves were captured and how many.

    You can see something similar at work in Scotland. Three centuries ago there was a Scottish Enlightenment. Today there is Trainspotting and culinary “innovations” like deep fried pizza and deep fried Mars bars. That is because since the Act of Union talented Scots have relocated to England, other points in the British Empire, and the United States (Andrew Carnegie).

  • Full disclosure of the involvement of Biden and his worthless son in corruption in Ukraine would be in the best interests of the American public. That’s exactly why Deep State, via its puppets DNC, NYT, CNN, WaPo, and others of their ilk, will do its level best to prevent this disclosure.

  • Well, we’ll just have to be a little more patient and see the newest PISA scores to see just how smart Ukrainian youth today really are. It appears that the information that we hve is dated. I suspect that thre’s enough smarts there though, most Ukrainians realize that they’re not Russians.

  • That’s just as fake as earlier Pentagon complaints about superiority of Russian weapons. All this song and dance is about one thing only: gimme more money!

  • Also, as I recall that AP once explained, the Ukrainians who were last tested were about 6 months younger than their peers from other countries. that could account for a few notches lower in the scores…

  • Thorfinnsson says

    PISA is a nice dataset, but clearly not problem-free. As a previous commenter noted, the idea that Montengrins are dimmer than American blacks is extremely dubious.

    Unfortunately it’s unlikely there will be a national IQ tests any time soon.

    Another thing I neglected to mention is that there has been more Ukrainian emigration than Russian emigration (as a share of population), or at least that’s my impression. And Ukrainian emigration continues, whereas Russian has largely ended. What was the quality of the emigrants compared to those who stayed behind?

    On the other hand ethnic Russians may have suffered more from the Bolshevik aristocide.

    Karlin has written about Igor Sikorsky as an example. Actually, what was Sikorsky’s nationality?

    Sikorsky is a Polish surname, and the man was born in Kiev. According to Wikipedia, his father was an ardent Russian nationalist. Looks like a one-man example of what was lost with the murder of the Russian Empire.

  • There is that. As former Ukrainian foreign ministry employee (who moved to Russia after 2014 coup in Kiev) Rostislav Ishchenko says, smarter Ukrainians call themselves Russians and compete with Russians on a grand scene, whereas good-for-nothings call themselves Ukrainians and compete in that tiny pond, where someone with IQ of 110 looks like a genius.

  • And the very smartest Ukrainians, those that are willing to leave their mothers behind in poverty, are the smartest of all? So, what do you call yourself today? Are you an Amerik☭n? What do you have planned for tomorrow?

  • Mixing results from different years produces invalid comparisons, because presumably the scores are normed differently. Although the results don’t change much.

    for example who may be able to believe that Montenegrins are much worst in intellect than African Americans?

    How many African Americans have you known? Not on TV, but worked with and socialized with daily?

    I haven’t known Montenegrins, but I’ve had a decent number of Balkan refugee patients, people from villages with 4th grade educations. The results from this list are not terribly surprising.

  • FYI, I had to evacuate my mother from Lugansk to the US because of shelling of residential areas of Lugansk by the criminal post-Maidan Ukrainian government. She