Time for something more stereotypical.
- The AK. About a couple of months ago the National Bolsheviks (“Other Russia”) had me round to their “bunker” for a podcast. It’s now been released, you can listen to it here. (Obviously only in Russian).
Alt Right columnist Tobias Langdon “featured me” as a Jew besmirching the noble Anglo at Counter-Currents.
I am sorry to ruin Tobias Langdon's bold thesis, but reality is, I'm only ~3% Jewish. https://t.co/SoSVomCVDs pic.twitter.com/Ak4o8dUKLu
— Anatoly Karlin (@powerfultakes) July 10, 2021
- SJWs. Ed West (Unherd) – The West’s cultural revolution is over:
This is not some dark new age of cancel culture, however, it’s just a return to normality. Those who grew up in the late 20th century were living in a highly unusual time, one that could never be sustained, a sexual and cultural revolution that began in 1963 or 1968. But it has ended and, as all revolutionaries must do after storming the Bastille, they have built Bastilles of their own. The new order has brought in numerous methods used by the old order to exert control — not just censorship, but word taboo and rituals which everyone is forced to go along with, or at least not openly criticise. You might call it the new intolerance, or woke extremism, but all societies need the policing of social norms.
No one would satirise the transgender movement today; no one would dare point fun at BLM, or Pride month; no one would dare joke about George Floyd, because like the publishers of Gay Times in 1977, they might face jail for blasphemy. Instead leading satirist Sacha Baron Cohen makes a living making jokes at the expense of the little people. Indeed the only satire made now pokes fun at the old establishment, like punching the corpse of a once-ferocious zoo animal, or the people who still hold the old beliefs; the elderly, the less educated, the rural and provincial. The powerless.
This is one of the best meta-pieces on the Great Awokening to date IMO.
- CHINA. Global Times – Surveys in Chinese cities show only 4% of urban families have willingness to have third child (h/t Godfree Roberts). As I noted, I think a generation of “lowest-low” fertility is all but baked in for China. This has happened to all the Sinic cultures of East Asia, as well as South Korea, despite the big differences between their political systems. It would be presumptuous to think that the CPC can avert what the others, including Singapore, did not.
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RUSSIAGATE NOSTALGIA. Luke Harding – Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House. It reads like /r/esist fan fic.
The report – “No 32-04 vd” – is classified as secret. It says Trump is the “most promising candidate” from the Kremlin’s point of view. The word in Russian is perspektivny.
There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump, who is described as an “impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”.
There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising material, on the future president, collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits to Russian Federation territory”.
#ThatHappened. /s Actually, I strongly suspect it might have been a troll job. Anyhow, as Aaron Mate points out, even the likes of Maddow aren’t touching it with a ten foot pole.
- SOUTH AFRICA. Aaaa… I’m… I’m gonna loooooot!
Kirkegaard with a blast from the past (2019): South Africa’s Decline Is Worst Among Nations Not at War, Model Shows. I wonder if there’s some demographic tipping point at which it implodes.
- AFGHANISTAN. Zadran, S. K., Ilyas, M., & Dawari, S. (2021). Genetic variants associated with diseases in Afghan population. Molecular Genetics & Genomic Medicine, 9(5), e1608. Holtz: “In Afghanistan, the prevalence of cousin marriages is estimated to be 46.2%. The prevalent type of cousin marriage is first cousin marriage (27.8%), followed by double first cousin marriage (6.9%), second cousin (5.8%), and third cousin (3.9%).” Sailer noted this, and the implications for the chances of US success in Afghanistan, two decades ago. 😐
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Video of Taliban taking over a gym. Disclose TV: “UK will work with the Taliban if they take power in Afghanistan, says the British Defense Minister.”
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CORONA. Yuri Deigin – Get vaccinated! It could help you, like, not die… It’s pretty funny observing the hostile responses to it. Basically, what I think happened is that many anti-China right-wingers followed him after Wade propped him as the originator of the “biolab escape” theory, under the impression he was some kind of anti-China propagandist. This is not the case, to their chagrin.
Incidentally, I have largely refrained from opining on ivermectin. It did strike me as this year’s hydroxychloroquine (not suppressed, works to some extent in some cases, neither the silver bullet nor the snake oil of rightoid and soyjak imagination, respectively), but it’s not something I wanted to actively research. But happily, Deigin – compiled some several studies which shows it as “either ineffective or very mildly effective.”
- The Economist notes that the Italian team that took the Euro 2020 was all white.
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Noah Carl – Are the England players consistent anti-racists?
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comment: Bashizubuk sci-fi idea.
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Antifa lolcow WASBAPPIN now has a Substack and it’s arguably even more powerful than his (now sadly suspended) Twitter.
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Daily Beast – MAGA World’s ‘Freedom Phone’ Actually Budget Chinese Phone.
Richard Hanania: “Latest conservative grift is to buy a $120 Chinese phone, preload it with conservative apps, rename it the “Freedom Phone,” and sell it for $500.”
While Freedom Phone’s founder has failed to include basic details about its device, he did line up a massive ad campaign among conservative influencers. Along with Owens, Stone, D’Souza, and Alexander, the Freedom Phone has also been backed by a number of other figures popular on the right, including Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec, journalist John Solomon, and Students for Trump cofounder Ryan Fournier.
OTOH, who can blame them? There’s a reason these influencers have made it and you haven’t. My observation is the more you scam rightoids, the more they respect you for it.
- FINANCE (NFA). Three companies of note have listed in recent weeks: Transferwise (now just Wise) (~$13B), a very easy to use service for international money transfers; 23andme (~$4B), which needs no introduction; and the European Medical Center (~$1B), a private chain of about a dozen high-end clinics in Moscow. I suspect all of them will do quite well. I was actually slightly surprised that 23andme mc is so low, the genomic data it has accumulated should be a goldmine for pharma companies.
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The type of anti-Semitism displayed, by people like Langdon, is that which comes from a tiny number of status obsessed English bumpkins, always rejected and maligned by their peers, who have discovered a tiny shred of aristocracy in their otherwise ignoble lineage, leading them to delusions of natural leadership, if only it weren’t for (((them))).
You can occasionally meet one, at an expensive club in London, which they can’t afford, and no one cool wants to go to anyway, wherein they thinly disguise their fretting over their declasse life, by name-dropping irrelevant minor peers.
It isn’t that they are actually stupid and it isn’t that they are actually failures, it is just that they have made certain quieter choices in life, but don’t know it yet. In their confusion, in the meantime, it is good that they can find relief, by occasionally putting on a tweed jacket and strolling around like the bad guys from Caddyshack.
It is a weakly rational version of undergoing past life regression, imagining yourself an Aztec Princess, and then spending decades obsessing over evil Conquistadors; except the Jews are no Conquistadors. The Conquistadors did actually take control of their societies and were as charismatic and handsome as they were cruel. The real Jews in the English elite tend to enter like all middle class strivers who succeed, get rich on something, send their children to “public” schools, be blended away and in.
These people voted for Trump. Not only should they be satirized, but they should have that satire blasted into their skulls 24/7 like Gitmo torture victims — perhaps more Steven Colbert ice cream jokes as they’re dragged into the Walmart FEMA Camps for vaccine truancy.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1416043307151544322
I prefer to think of you as a spiteful mongrel, like Lenin
Just as 2% Jews dominate the world, so too 3% of Jewish ancestry dominates Karlin’s personality.
There is no escape, Karlin.
Here’s another sci-fi idea: could you take Abos and through genetic modification turn them into superior soldiers and fighter pilots? In another words, could you keep all their unique traits: their thick skulls, 4x visual acuity, impressive tolerance to temperature changes, and ability to eat what would make anyone else throw up, while radically increasing their IQ?
And what about combining other HBD traits? The high altitude tolerance of Tibetans, the cold adaptation of Eskimos. The alcohol reaction of the Chinese, to discourage drunkenness. The small bodies of pygmies to reduce the need for rations.
Perhaps, there would also be a way to take super-tasters and increase their abilities so that they rivaled blood hounds in their tracking ability.
TFR is dropping like a rock.
China’s Nightmare –
https://imgur.com/a/LmcX9zh
With China having one of the worst demographics in the world, it becomes more and more clear that the ignorant talk of some “Sinotriumphalists” about China reaching 3 times the GDP of the US is becoming a joke.
China will get no more than 1,5 bigger GDP in MER and 1,9 times in PPP and will be lucky if the US does not overtake it again later in the century.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f1/b4/17/f1b4179ba055db0615f88e510b98e8a1–genesis-album-genesis-band.jpg
Here, they’ve recovered their real place within society. 🙂
Fabulous album that I just bought yesterday and am listening to today!
China is, I suspect, one of the countries that would be least affected by a spell in the sub-TFR=1.2 zone. Economies of scale will remain regardless, almost 40% of the population still in rural areas and a significant part of the rest in small towns that can be moved to the metropolises to increase productivity, and beyond that, plenty of cheap labor available for a few more decades in Central Asia, if it comes down to that. Also I don’t know if you’ve been keeping track but US TFR is also going sharply down, and White/Asian TFR’s (the ones who are actually running the O-Ring industries that underpin US economic power) are about 0.1 child below the average.
For the US too.
I doubt that China will launch large scale immigration policies, east asian countries are not fans of that.
I’m. Yet the number of asians in the US is estimated to increase as Asian immigration is overtaking Latino immigration and starts to dominate US population inflows.
This post was intended to provoke discussion, the US has issues too, and possible negative scenarios too.
These dreams of maximizing a single quality strike me as based on a very deep mistake.
Things are holistic – they come in sets, in “clusters”. You can’t have the good without the bad.
You can’t simply isolate one element and maximize it without regard for it’s relationship to everything else in it’s cluster.
Also, every good thing has a downside, and every bad thing a silver lining. If you wish one, you wish the other.
Will the crypto market continue to punish me for trusting in a crypto summer?
Just a note:
Luke Harding was caught red handed with plagiarism. You can find details in many places, including:
https://exiledonline.com/luke-harding-porn-read-the-guardians-apology-to-the-exile-over-luke-harding-plagiarism/
https://thealtworld.com/caitlin_johnston/luke-hardings-continued-employment-discredits-all-western-media
That may not be exactly what happened. The 60’s revolutionaries and their assorted hangers-on were happy pushing openness and more of everything – until they started to lose the argument. Then the woke maniacs shut down the public space because they were losing, roughly around 2015-18. One could see it as Bastille building, but it could also be simple inability to compete, a fear of looking ridiculous.
On a smaller scale, hapless Luke Harding has been a professional Russophobe for years. His last attempt is so pathetic that it reminds me of the time he (or some other Guardianista) complained that a Moscow laundry wouldn’t give him his shirt without a claim ticket – they squarely blamed Putin for this outrage. To peddle “the most promising candidate” as anything other than a boiler-plate busy work (if it happened at all) is scraping the bottom even for the Guardian. It can take a long time to slide into oblivion, they have been at it for years.
On China’s National Judicial Exam, taken by hundreds of thousands of aspiring lawyers and judges, the following question was asked: “If you could rescue either your mother or your girlfriend from a deadly fire, which one would you rescue?” The ministry of justice later confirmed that the correct answer is that you save your mother; you are legally obligated. I wonder if saving the mother would be the result across various countries, occupations, and social classes.
The Chinese Bar-Exam-question story:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/chinese-law-test-examines-crime-choosing-save-girlfriend-over-mother-a6671216.html
Ok, someone please translate this article to english. I cant understand any of this. You drunk? What is the point of this? I only drank one beer, it is not possible i forgot english language completely. Maybe you are a retard, having fun there to write complete nonsense on purpose, to make us think we forgot how to read?
Is it too late for the Zulu to separate from other blacks? Will South Africa divide in the future?
I fail to see a problem with “Freedom phone”. I wouldn’t buy one but I don’t see what’s so sneer-worthy about this idea.
There is an increasing number of the so-called conservative intellectuals who like to ridicule “rightoids”. Hanania is one. Karlin wants to get on that train, too. What’s interesting to me is that there is nothing like this on the left. There is a ton of stupid “leftoids”, in fact whole demographics of them. But the smartest progressive intellectuals never make fun of those people. To the contrary, they are busy creating epicycles within epicycles to explain how someone like Ibram X. Kendi is not stupid but actually very smart.
Re: Bashibuzuk’s sci-fi idea. Isn’t that basically the premise of Zardoz? There must be hundreds of books written around this idea going back to H.G. Wells’s Time Machine. My favorite is the forgotten classic Engine Summer by John Crowley.
Involuntary neuralink to troll them remotely 24/7 directly into their brain.
https://twitter.com/BirthGauge/status/1416130351068504066
Global fertility rate will likely drop below replacement in a few years.
Yes, you could.
The only reason why for example we don’t have gorilla strength is because we had to specialize for more brain. With selective breeding, this can be reversed, as due to modern agriculture, that is obsolete. We can have absolutely ludicrous gains “naturally.”
Now, the problem with Abos – is that there’s an absolutely hilariously ungodly small amount of purebloods left. Albeit with inserting all the larpwhites into the group I think something could be made…
My perspective is not one of building great, world-beating countries. I would prefer people just to have creative, free and secure lives.
Nonetheless, the US is well-placed to ‘perform” well. I believe there is a general trend towards higher fertility for educated women, probably because of better technology. I also see that the US will continue to attract the cognitive elite to move there from everywhere, including China, for the indefinite future.
Yes, that’s true. Harding has a habit of failing upwards. There are some speculations that he’s an MI6 asset and that this is his roof at The Guardian.
I like this sort of examination. The best way to judge someone’s integrity and character for such kinds of work is to ask those kinds of “difficult” questions.
I’d argue that saving the girlfriend is the correct option. The parents, well, by creating me, have done their jobs, and became obsolete. The girlfriend has more potential.
Let’s try to use actual numbers.
In 2050, China’s population might be 1.38 billion (down from 1.41 billion today). I’m adjusting a UN population estimate based on the results released from the 2020 Census to get this figure. In 2050, the US population will be 390 million based on the projection of the US Census. China’s population will still be about 3.5 times larger in 2050. So if Chinese GDP per capita nominal is 50% of US GDP per capita nominal, China will have an economy 175% larger. I agree with you that 300% is far-fetched but 150% seems low to me.
In 2050, the US population will be a bit over 50% (white + Asian). It is currently 65% (white + Asian). Can you imagine the GDP per capita of the US is $65,000 this year if the country had the projected demographics of 2050? It would be lower than $65,000 and China would catch up faster.
Are there any assumptions you don’t agree with in the calculation? What’s the scenario for the US catching up towards the end of the century?
Roko (whose analysis I think is mostly correct) thinks so, he believes BTC will bottom out at $23k. I wouldn’t sell everything because downside is now limited and a supercycle stretching into 2022 can’t be absolutely excluded, but there’s a good chance that most alts will continue getting rekt through to the end of this year. Unfortunately, the quality coins tend to go down almost as hard as the shitcoins during the early bear market.
https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1405632885781106688
Do you think Willy Woo is a con man?
I don’t follow him.
The former might be correct (though the Great Awokening might be reversing things even as we speak – all these 666 gender memes affect the “educated” to a greater extent than the proles), but I think the latter is a tall order, whatever one’s thoughts on America’s trajectory, the countries that would constitute potential sources of high quality immigrants are improving at a much faster clip. In the 2000s, most surveyed Chinese students wanted to remain in the US, by the 2010s, the vast majority intended to go home and build up their own country.
Interestingly, but I once thought up a scenario of some sort of hyper-oppressive government or AI that’s also at the same time benevolent. So how could this be?
The conclusion that for people to have maximum creativity, freedom and security, they need to be liberated from everything, including government. So basically anarchy. Except, anarchy doesn’t provide for security, and doesn’t last long. People have needs they can’t fulfill themselves.
Therefore, they need to actually be made as self-sufficient as possible. By any means necessary, and as quickly as possible. You don’t need to govern gods.
Therefore, to accomplish this, an incredibly oppressive system that’s practically the exact opposite of what you prefer is instituted, where everyone’s lives revolve constantly and exclusively on improving themselves by any means necessary. This could last centuries.
The catch is, is it worth, to doom billions, trillions even, to a lifetime of suffering, so that their descendants become basically godlike and have no needs at all which they can’t provide for themselves (sustenance/shelter/water etc) apart from socialization, allowing them to truly fully express their potential and creativity?
I have long thought that gun rights would be the last stand of implicit American identity. It cuts across class, racial, geographic, and even partisan lines.
Yes, people have been grappling with whether great benefit makes great evil worthwhile for a long time. I understand why, but all of that stuff seems very tiring to me, and distracting from what actually exists.
I am simpler. I just see people as on their individual journeys and that they may need a little push, here and there, to self-reflect along the way, with the culture being nudged towards basic tolerance, proficiency and respect for freedom.
I do have ideas about how a government may better achieve this, but I also recognise that my ideas have less epistemological legitimacy than the general conglomeration of ideas which result in real world policy.
That doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with it, as I have a voice and must respect myself, but it also means I need not get too upset by all of what I perceive as nonsense.
Sometimes people choose darkness, because that is what they need, and I cannot be expected to pull them out of it. Trying to hard to do so will only dim me, and freak them out.
Observe people, report back to them what you and perhaps take their chain of thought one step forward. That’s about as much as I want to do, never can do, otherwise I would be taking their own meaning away from them.
There’s still a lot who stay in the US, and there’s plenty of cognitively elite people in lots of other countries.
Furthermore, the US is exciting and fun. Staying in China is safe and homely.
Hayek got it right when he pointed out that modern economies run on information. The US is great at this, and has positioned itself extremely well to take advantage of it in the future.
Take computer games. I just read an article on their censorship in China, which China is very extreme with. This is good for building up a domestic Chinese industry, but much worse for fusing the rest of the world to their market. Chinese products simply can’t be as interesting to most other places – they can’t even show cults for India, zombies for the Phillipines, vampires with blood for Europe.
This means, that in many different ways, China is cut off from global information streams, from which the highest level of development is drunk, while the US is the country which all of them actually flow through.
I appreciate that the above point is not very fleshed out, but it is only just coalescing as a clear image in my head. I will reflect on it.
No joke – I was very surprised, though in a good way.
All the big football teams have extensive scouting networks and Italy has had a fairly large surge in African migrants this millenium. Its no secret that lazy football scouts prioritise these African kids because they are bigger and quicker at younger ages ( much easier to identify a good youth athlete and convert him into a semi-decent footballer who can be sold for a big profit, than it is to identify a great pure football-talent kid)…… so you would have expected a result of these processes to be Italia having some generic big, strong and quick Africans in their team.
The composition of the squad is very unusual in that they are from all parts of Italy from a club perspective, with many not even at good performing clubs. Spain, as with Italy also appears with their football team to be reversing the political/social trends in their country-the 1 African guy in the squad didn’t even play in the tournament.
France, even though historically they have been successful in the big football tournaments, often look very ugly and disjointed in their football style – most probably because of all the different whites, Arabs and Africans they have. Italia looked very much a true team, very good to watch
I am actually sorry for my comment. It was far too harsh and on the nose. I guess I miss 1960s London too. When rents in Cadogan Square were affordable and you could park outside your favourite nightclub, before driving home on genteel streets. I was born decades later, but I’ve heard the stories and it all sounds great.
This is my fear as well, especially with the brain. And suppose you could somehow add the two things together, without one affecting the other, then would the rest of the body even match up with it? Would the volume of the skull be large enough? The neck strong enough? Would the root metabolism be sufficient to feed it?
I tend to be a bit skeptical of the Hsu argument that we can increase IQ to the same degree that we’ve increased crop yields. Maybe, we can make everyone a genius, but not an ultra super-genius. And making everyone a genius might have social costs as well. Some theorize that geniuses function for the good of society, and are not good at passing down their own seed.
Of course, I wouldn’t describe myself as a radical transhumanist, in the same vein as some others here. It appeals more to my imagination than it does to my spirit, small areas of peculiar interest aside. Though, I am very enthusiastic about improving dogs, as I see it as a spiritual continuation of what we have done in the past. And the same is true to a smaller degree with other animals.
Like, imagine a cat that was naturally immune to toxoplasmosis and did not make cat ladies even crazier. Another idea might be to make a cat that didn’t hunt birds. I understand cats kill billions of birds every year, and some are rare.
I think it was Greg Cochran who had the idea of making super Neanderthals. I don’t know if there is really enough ancient DNA to do it, even if we could. But I think it would be a pretty interesting idea, to try to make a Neanderthal Newton.
Maybe, the unique qualities of the Neanderthal brain would mean that such a genius would make unique discoveries. Or maybe, he would be an evil genius who wants revenge on us for displacing his relatives.
Some of it is possible, but its rarely that simple. High altitude tolerance is something that has been looked into, I believe, as it is pretty distinctive.
https://theconversation.com/mixed-ancestry-genetic-research-shows-a-bit-of-native-american-dna-could-reduce-risk-of-alzheimers-disease-159118
Not all downsides at applicable in modern society; e.g. many animal models do not maximize brainpower since it is extremely calorically costly. Humanity is not generally limited by calories.
That said, a lot of traits are complex. Simply classifying them as “good” or “bad” is not very useful, and there are certainly possibilities for optimization(e.g. even traditional breeding).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Cornselection.jpg
Creativity, surprisingly, is not improved by absolute freedom.
https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/why-imposing-restrictions-can-actually-boost-creativity
No vampires w/ blood in Europe? Doubt it. Did the EU furries get an upgrade to their autism again?
Anyways, the BIG titles all come out of America, but they’re kinda bland, just like blockbuster movies. True artistic, soulful games, even if a bit janky, seem to come from the East, and not including the Japanese crappy grindfests weebs jack off to – titles like Pathologic, The Void, Underrail, the Witcher, Serious Sam.
Granted, it was directed and designed by an American expat adequately named American, but the Chinese also gave us the underrated gem of 2011, Alice: Madness Returns, which is simply a beautiful game, even if weakened by EA’s interference.
The US and satraps – seem to be running on fumes when it comes to actual creativity. It’s either stifled to maximize cash grabs, or butchered by wokeoids, or doesn’t even try. Few strong exceptions, like Valve, but there’s still no that feel in many of them, you know.
What the Andeans have is different from what the Tibetans have. It is the quick and dirty solution, if you like, compared to the Tibetans who got theirs from Denisovans living on the Tibetan Plateau for hundreds of thousands of years. It definitely has costs, as well as benefits.
BTW, I heard an interesting theory about intelligence recently. Supposedly, very smart people tend to have more autoimmune diseases. One theory is that intelligence – the extra awareness – somehow impinges on the body’s homeostatic mechanisms, throwing them out of wack. Of course, this might be a limitation for trying to make super intelligent humans.
I also found this interesting link about height and longevity in humans:
https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2013/08/the-cost-of-being-tall-is-a-shorter-life-expectancy/
What bowled me over was this:
Sardinians are the shortest Europeans, and they have the same number of centenarians as Okinawa. And more of them are men! Though, I believe pygmies age fast.
Wasbappin’s Substack should be required reading for the Russian, Chinese, and Iranian high command. BTW I have also started my own Substack, I expect my first post there by the end of the month:
https://eharding.substack.com/p/coming-soon
Genshin/Honkai Impact and Girl’s Frontline, both Chinese games, have gigantic fanbases – iirc, Girl’s Frontline recently beat out Touhou as the largest and most active fanbase. A lot of the fanbase is obviously American, as you can see yourself:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/
The censorship is not always that strict, let’s put it that way.
This is about natural limitations. For example, a start up entrepreneur being limited by how much money he can get from investors and on what terms. This is not about the current BS of political factions attempting to impose artificial limitations in the form of taxation, socialist economic policies, “woke” sjw bullshit, and the like. The first set are a part of reality. The second set has no validity whatsoever.
With some exceptions, I have no problem with Asian immigration.
Immigration restrictionism is breaking up into two distinct groups. Those who look at immigration in terms of human capital for productive accomplishment and those who look at it in terms of culture and ethnicity as a value independent of human capital for productive accomplishment. Those in the first camp tend to look down on those in the second camp.
In the 90’s I decided the ideal human society is 80% East Asian pragmatism and 20% Western Heinleinian libertarianism, assuming currently existing humans. I have not experienced for a nanosecond anything that could ever change my mind on this.
Hanania reminds me of old penniless aristocrat sneering at entrepreneurs. Selling stuff that people might need is an uncouth way to make money! It’s practically stealing! The only genteel way to earn a living is
inherit from a rich unclework in academia or a think tank. Selling phones is grift but asking for grants is NOT grift!So the software may not be the best at the moment. Companies that have been around for a few months and have maybe a dozen employees make a product that’s not as developed as the one made by companies with tens of thousands of employees and market cap of hundreds of billions. Who knew?
This reminds me of how they used to laugh at Fox News when it just opened. And true, in its early years the channel was an absolute amateur hour; CNN was ahead by leaps and bounds. But eventually they stopped sneering and started seething, which is what they do to this day.
I agree!
(I already used up my reaction comments)
It’s interesting how grifters get so much more respect than honest people.
I for one am grateful for the content you provide.
If I’m ever in Moscow, I’ll stand you a pint.
Sorry, no vampires with blood in China, which is an example of the Chinese ruining their own creativity for the European market.
Chinese censorship of video games is very extreme. It is also extreme in other areas, but this is where the producers have to expend most effort to avoid it.
Weirdly, they allow foreign Steam to work, but who knows for how long. For games to pass censorship, you can have no blood, of any colour, no people coming out of the ground, no cults, no politics and a whole bunch of other restrictions, none of which they make clear. Put your game in front the censors 3 times, and fail, and that’s it.
It is a huge and odd country, which almost no one foreign begins to understand. It is also incubating some serious weirdness; which makes sense for 1.4 billion people, which is a lot more than the US, the Anglosphere and Europe, combined.
The Freedom Phone guy didn’t develop a product. It’s a Chinese phone. It already existed.
The piss poor security of the Twitter clones isn’t something that can be laughed off. Their promoters abused the trust of the MAGA cultists. They thought that the grifters had their back. Now their data is in the hands of people who want to ruin them.
And another thing: Do you go out of your way to sound so patronizing, or does it come naturally?
There very little value in the genomics data even if they were collected for the whole humanity. Almost anything that is single-gene and matters was discovered, and none of the current DNA analyses can do gene-gene interactions. There is no statistical power to analyze the interaction between 6 million times 6 million pairs of SNPs, and, for some reason, there is no procedure to whittle down the set of pairs to a meaningful subset.
Also, “big data” is just a pile of data: if it is representative, samples can be small; if it’s not representative, the conclusions will be misleading.
It takes a old billionaire with little self-respect to sell 23andme or similar companies. It takes a setup like the one when Murdoch was bullied into buying Myspace, just because “it’s new and better”.
It’s not surprising at all really. Not to me anyway. I’ve always believed that complete freedom is disastrous for creativity.
The idea that freedom is good for creativity is a hippie-dippie idea.
thanks for posting the newly listed equities. You have strong enough predictive ability that I’ll just throw some cash at these for a few years and then hold them. (I want to encourage guys here to not sell assets unless selling gets them F.U. money, hold, never sell). Really like the idea of buying Yandex, which you brought up, will be plowing cash into that just as soon as I’m done with my current crypto buying goal.
No surprise:
https://twitter.com/craigunger/status/1415669004774031360
He relies on Yuri Shvets and Olga Lautman.
Looking at the western media, there is almost zero about Putin’s article on Ukraine – just proves what a sinister and corrupt operation their Russian section is.
Ukrop media have a policy of not directly discussing the content of it ( except the “peremoga” because he as “forced” to do it in Ukrainian and this “v” or “na” Ukrop BS) – probably out of fear normal Ukrainians may “fall in love with it” LOL.
There also doesn’t appear to have been a single attempt in Western media to establish facts over the Ryanair flight that had to land in Belarus after a fake bomb threat. Its essential to know if he was forced into landing the plane by order….. or if he and Belarus were following standards procedure , what (if any) conversations he had with Lithuanian ATC ( like if they refused the plane to enter their airspace because they were also treating the threat as credible – I think the first e-mail of the threat was sent to a Lithuanian airport), conversations with Belarus ATC and their Air Force….. and just general post flight comment from this pilot, who looks to have vanished. The entire incident looks as blatant a Western provocation as ever
This is pretty funny.
https://twitter.com/CurrentCitizen/status/1415361945461530628
Not to say that one or another option is more correct, but the point here seems to be it was legal exam, so probably CCP Chinese laws have explicit or implicit priorities in such situations towards formal family members instead of non formalized relationships.
Whether is it right or wrong should be an object of philosophy/ethics exam perhaps. Wonder what the correct lawful answer in current China would be if the choice should have been done between parents and official wife, not just girlfriend.
But is it dropping in Africa fast enough? If not, then this is just a temporary lull before the world is swept by a negro tsunami.
Go watch Kemono Friends. It isn’t about a bunch of Animal Girls, but a tale of post-catastrophic natural lives, human self-discovery and garden-variety Platonism (in the lore)
Your mindset is basically no different from the WEF, and maybe even more extreme than theirs (at least they are supposed to deal with social problems in a self-serving way while you are all about ruining people in the medium-term)
There is no social model that is preferrable or conductive to human flourishing, but what will exist as human adaptation to changing circumstances. Don’t mandate a model, observe and act, and maybe predict. This is why fundamentally, both the Great Reset and Great Awakening are wrong.
It would be not first time though as white Neanderthals or probably not so black homo erectuses outside Africa also were swept away by negro homo sapiens waves coming out from Africa, but in some quick 40k years from now they all current total blacks should whiten up somewhat again 😉
My biggest disagreement is with projecting the population size or economic size of basically everywhere based on deliberately ignoring what the WEF can do. The population of the West (US + Anglosphere + EU) can drop by maybe 1/5, and GDP per capita 1/4-2/3 (judging from the last time this happened, the collapse of actually-existing socialism in the 90s). I’m not saying Russia or China will be immune to this, but they’ll be a bit less affected.
If you take a stabilizing Chinese economy and a fracturing and failing American economy, we could actually have GDP per capita parity (of the American collapse kind). If China still had 1.2B people (100M lower than the low-end UN projections) then and the US 220M (losing 1/3), that would easily be ~5.5x. It’s only a back-of-the-envelope estimation and we don’t know what the world will be even next year.
(That 220M figure is assuming a sociocide on the scale of Khmer Rouge and 20 more years of stable population loss post-Soviet style. It’s not as radical as Deagel’s 100M in 2030)
There was some WN writer (I think it was Andrew Hamilton, but I can’t find it) who quoted some Jewish philosopher or rabbi or whatever from a century or two ago who apparently believed something close to what you’ve said here, that even a smidgeon of “Jewish blood” has outsized effects which incline the person to favor Jews. (I may be misremembering that last bit, but not the part about outsized effects.) The WN writer’s point was that Jews would know best about such things, so whites should take the argument seriously.
The plot is that it turns out it is possible, and a number of scientists get to work on it in utmost secrecy, but someone lets the cat out of the bag and the public finds the idea so abhorrent – Abo supersoldiers? – that it finally precipitates the long-awaited normie revolt.
I think the “correct” answer should be the person you love more. Some people justifiably hate their mothers, so it would be perfectly understandable if they let them perish. Or others may love their mothers, but have a very serious girlfriend they intend to marry, and it would be understandable if they picked her over the mother. Personally, there’s no girl I’m even close to that serious about, so there’s no chance I’d pick some silly slut over my own mother, even in the case that my mother was sick and only had a short time to live.
It would take millennia of subsistence living in harsh climates to trigger forces of natural selection that would eradicate the negro features. Either way, the negro destroys civilisation.
They’ve done exactly that and produced adaptations that is not conductive to complex social organizations!
Which “Negro”? Bantu? West African? Hamitics? Descendents of slaves? Mulattos? White trash can destroy civilization too. Right now anti-complexity tendency predominate in Blacks, but it isn’t a given.
AK: Such comments aren’t productive. Don’t do this again.
I think a hollow-point administered through the roof of your mouth would change your mind.
96% Khalsa, 4% rest.
Effort post on Internal Demographics/immigration, Global Liberalism & Bantu-dom below
South Africa 20% white in 1904, 10%ish today, finally war.
Liberal elites secure, they’re centuries from that & big gulf in Jiziya and genocide
Without outside backing minorities intermarry & become defanged
With Liberalism there’s a standard template & 1-2 allowable exceptions per state:
Proles (via elites) consolidate around standard and signal against 1-2 issues.
USA: brown people (muslims)
Russia: gays
China: blacks
India: atheism
EU: hijabs
Liberalism wanes but more buy in (KSA) and more exceptions per state can be allowed.
Liberalism rules through this global standard + local exception model.
Liberalism built on indus bureaucracy & mass media we need high tfr, culture & prod
None of that in any single or group of states so Liberalism will be default for C+
https://web.archive.org/web/20180202082106/https://reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/the-common-root-of-all-modern-political-discourse/
Liberalism is defined as honor killing being ‘illegal’. Bantus TFR 4 vs 2 Ms, 1.5 Eurasia
Generation away from manpower to invade world but build up takes awhile.
For example Europe is Century+ from 25% Islam
I don’t know if genocides are on the table, but you can just sit on the floor. :shrug:
Sikhs and other seem to advance to liberal lines but no logistics to cross
For example, they snatch Muslim girls & surround Delhi but can’t burn Mecca/Modi, yet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottishSikh/status/1380469448855916545
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ
You can’t simply rely on fertility rate decreases to keep them out. “Avoid the groid” must evolve from a sage local watchword to a global moral imperative – the stuff of formal compacts – else, in the fullness of time, we’ll all eventually succumb to negrofuxation. If that happens, any alien civilization that seeks us out for having decoded the gold disc on Voyager would surely shudder at what became of the late, great planet Earth.
Harsh climates might be different – hot/cold, wet/dry etc. Subsistence living in harsh ice age northern latitudes seem to favour skin melanin reduction for better survival while it is inverse situation ir harsh hot southern areas.
They’re not really buy recommendations – just things that I consider to be of note and worth looking into, but not necessarily something to buy. I’m not planning to acquire any of them right now FWIW, stocks in general seem overheated.
Transferwise (Wise) is 3x lower than Revolut on both p/e and mc, though Revolut has twice as many clients. OTOH, Revolut is aiming to be a full-fledged financial services provider, providing insurance, loans, stocks, even cryptos, etc., while Wise seems more exclusively focused on its original core competence of international transfers and remittances. Fintech in general is exploding (Revolut was $5B last year, now it’s $33B; Tinkoff quadrupled), but how long will this last? I’m wary of investing much into such an overheated space and in fact recently sold off the last of my Tinkoff stocks.
EMH: $1B for 12 clinics, even quite high quality one, seems a bit on the high side. OTOH, some private hospital chains in China are worth $30-50B. But I don’t know enough about this sector to be comfortable about investing.
23andme might be the most speculative. Could 100x eventually, if Genetics Revolution pans out and it becomes something like the premier social graph for genomics. Or it could crab indefinitely. Customer growth has been terrible in the last couple of years, I suppose that most of the people who wanted to be tested, have banally already done so. Overall I’m agnostic on its prospects.
But yes, Yandex is mostly a long-term hold for me as well.
“Scientific racism” is an accurate label of what your types are advocating, and that’s a compliment.
I suppose your type missed the chance to let Nazi win and wipe Africa from the Earth, Man in the High Castle style.
Dude, I hope for your sake you’re just some kind of shill. If you’re sincere, lol, good luck, you’ll be needing plenty.
(I’ll say this though, the ability to sit tight when you’re on a winner is indeed golden; but if you’re on a loser, uh-uh. So not only do you need some reliable way to distinguish between the two – ie how much room or time do you give the latter to turn into the former – but also some reliable way of ensuring you’ll have enough of the former to make up for the absolute, total inevitability of the latter. AK’s “advice,” apparently based on no more than the most simplistic application of technical analysis “principles”- unless that Roko dude actually has some other sound reason for his assertion, which I kinda doubt – is not going to help you in either of those two tasks, not even close.)
Racism is between humans not species.
Firstly, what “your type”? If you’re Asian, you’re in the same boat as me, according to the reasoning I employed.
Secondly, why must you assume the worst? Keeping a group out of your living space doesn’t require “exterminating” them, sheesh.
Not in Africa.
See, the problem everyone and their dog among the HBD rightoids ignore is the fact that for practically anyone, even stepping on African soil prior to the late 19th century was basically an instant death from a thousand diseases. The natives weren’t really much better off either.
Evolution of high intelligence and civilization-supporting “hardware” requires resource competition. Africa has a lot of resources, even if classic field agriculture isn’t suited to savannas (see: Cerrado being cultivated only after the 70s). But I digress – Africa has a lot of resources, which means to get competition for those, you need a high population…
Enter the 20 bazillion diseases they have. The entire continent becomes a shredder and puts a stop to any evolution that isn’t disease resistance related.
There, mystery solved. No “they didn’t have to work to survive” cope, no seethe, no retardation.
I didn’t say I support it – it’s just a moral question – in practice it would be… impractical.
This is why I didn’t say flat out your approach is wrong. It is not-as-moral, but practical from the perspective from a racial purist point of view, that is often unpragmatic (e.g. China courting African states for their resources)
Instead of an “agree” I mean “thanks”. But what’s the social mode you actually prefer, I’ve been taking the social Darwinist models you’ve described as your own stance.
My views themselves are sort of Darwinistic, but in a very idiosyncratic way. Really, nothing but “everyone gets what they deserve” even if that’s not what they want, or need, or think. You will fulfill your potential whether you want it or not. I’ve devised a very complicated governance system that I could describe as “corporatist technocratic Iran.” Note that the corporatist part means running a state like a body or organism, not governance by corporations.
Both the fertility of the educated and the uneducated is falling in the US, only the fertility of the educated is dropping at lower pace compared to the uneducated. Its all time low for both groups.
China has more video gamers than there are people in Europe. They’re always going to contribute something to global cultural and informational streams. It is just that it will remain greatly diminished.
While they get it wrong a lot of the time, America is really trying to be an inclusive globalised culture. China is trying to be the opposite. Perhaps that is better for the Chinese, but I know in which direction global power and information will tend to flow.
I see US progressives, for the last few decades, not as making the future, but as seeing where it is going and placing themselves where best to take advantage. They occasionally slip up, like they did with assuming that men’s and women’s athletics records would fully converge, but they swiftly reposition and later reap the rewards.
Did you even calculate what kind of growth rate China will need to reach 175% of US GDP MER by 2050? It will need average growth rate of 4,75 for the 2020 – 2050 period, something that no one, not even China, estimates as possible. In fact Xi Jinping’s target for 2020 – 2035 is 4,7 %, and after 2035 chinese growth will pretty be low.
The majority of economic and financial institutions i have seen give it around 1,5 times bigger GDP in MER by 2050. Bloomberg recently estimated China having just1,35 times bigger GDP in MER by 2050 in their base case.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-u-s-to-become-no-1-why-it-may-never-happen
Currently China is 70,4 % of US in GDP MER. Everybody, including the Chinese, does not see GDP growth in China being higher than 5 – 5,2 % for 2020-2030 period on average. The US average growth for that period is to be around 2.
For 2030 – 2040 China is given (by almost everyone) 3 – 3.6 GDP average growth rate, the US 1,6.
For 2040 – 2050 China is given 2-2,6 average growth rate, the US 1,5.
At these growth rates, China does not even reach 1,5 times bigger GDP in MER by 2050. You can calculate it yourself.
If you add white hispanics, whites alone in the US are currently nearly 70 %. Not all hispanics are mestizos, as you assume.
And if you have seen PISA data on second gen migrants in the US overall they are not that bad, Europe is worse (it gets lower quality migrants), about 4 IQ points lower than the US average. Certainly not the widespread horror stories about US migrants being dumb as fuck.
https://akarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pisa-scores-migrants.jpg
I have seen several, although it is disputed and not everyone among long term analysts agrees.
Generally speaking, it is assumed that a massive demographic fuck up in China may cause the US to overtake it again later in the century.
In this study, they use recent low birth rates and they estimate the US reaching “only” 365 million people by 2100, with China collapsing from 1.4 billion today to 710 million by 2100, leading to the US overtaking China in GDP again by 2098.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30677-2/fulltext
I’m not saying that the current throttle is good, but the article clearly indicates cultural(or even voluntary) restrictions inspiring more creativity.
It tends to inspire creative ways around the restrictions. Just like smashing someone’s windows “inspires” them to get them fixed.
This seems irrelevant to the obvious majority American/European membership of the Reddit board. Notably the associated game also has an active following in the US(note the comment language) with new releases gathering 2+ million views in a little more than a week.
Amusingly, it has blood, zombies dolls, and what is basically a cult. All things you said were banned in China.
America is “inclusive” in the sense that it has exported its standards to the entire world; its inclusiveness is questionable.
You may be wrong. Japan is easily one of the least inclusive civilizations, but its the second largest producer of culture worldwide in influence(I remember actual metrics for this, but I can’t find it now). There are dozens and dozens of more “inclusive” civilizations, like all over Latin America, with no real cultural exports, certainly not on that level of profitability.
You also did not read the article.
The article is about taking yourself out of yourself in order to get closer to the wellspring of creativity. You’re approaching it in too linear a manner to see what it is really about.
Regarding ivermectin, you can believe WHO, the corrupt creature controlled by Big Pharma and run by Third-World functionaries. Or believe a professional who does meta-analyses for a living. The interview of Dr. Tess Lawrie by Dr. John Campbell lays out the choice.
I am following closely what is going on with vaccination and everything you said about Pfizer is true and you said it long time ago , every day there is more and more problems . I avoided at work to receive Pfizer thanks God nobody forcing me yet , but also now people on the street stopping people and asking are you vaccinated . My brother is neurologist but pushing for Pfizer he is paid by them to promote vaccination , when I present him credible sources he accused me of propaganda .
One thing I forgot to say is how all successful Chinese games (Azur Lane, Girls’ Frontline, Arknights, Genshin Impact…) outside China, are all in anime artstyle, not the gritty semi-realistic one that has been in tragedy of the commons mode domestically. This means those games have a good chance of passing off as Japanese (and indeed they hire Japanese to run JP servers). Azur Lane even copied the whole premise of Kantai Collection, which was a Japanese runaway success in 2013 (up to 2015)
Growth rates up to 2050
It’s hard to follow your numbers. Can you provide your estimates in the format below to make them easier to calculate?
For inflation, we can simply assume 3% in both countries (inflation doubles every 25 years) as this variable is probably the most difficult to predict.
US racial demographics
Do you count all people who identify as white Hispanic on Census 2020 as functionally equivalent to non-Hispanic whites in contributing to a first-world economy? “According to the 2019 American Community Survey, 65.5% of Latinos identified as white.” Considering the high number of Latinos in the US who identify as white and the big gap in incomes and education for Latinos in the US relative to non-Hispanic whites, I would guess really just a small fraction of Latinos are white enough to be functionally equivalent.
By citing PISA and the number of white Hispanics, what is your ballpark conclusion about the hypothetical effect of 2050 racial demographics on GDP per capita in 2021? Do you think it would have a minor effect on GDP per capita? Like reduction under 5%? If so that would not be my estimate.
US overtaking China again
If the extreme scenario comes true of China’s population falling to 700 million in 2100 then I think the US will overtake China in GDP in 2100. But I don’t think such a dire population scenario will happen.
Well the first thing will be Africans over breeding in rural areas swamping the big cities….in their own African countries.
The waves of African migrants to white countries are mainly the relatively urbanised Africans often disadvantaged by the waves of internal rural Africans from much bigger families coming to live in their African cities.
Although relatively poorer and less educated compared to us, these urban ‘cosmopolitan ” Africans are still much more educated and richer, and most importantly – lower TFR, than these rural migrants.
Once they come to Europe I would say its less about their urge to breed,but more about their incentive to breed because of extremely generous EU state handouts given to migrants or refugees with young families – more so if their kids are actually born in an EU state.
I’ve revised my Deagel-style forecasts to something like this, in 2050:
Population GDP pc Total
US 223M 26k 5798B
China 1246M 29k 36134B
It is still built on the same fundamental assumptions as Deagel’s (Great Reset depopulation and a Russian-style economic meltdown). China only needs to grow ~1.4% annually instead of the conventional 3.3-3.8%, due to a stronger demographic collapse and a break-down in international trade. Here it is 6.23x, and China here is also able to surpass the economic blackhole once known as “America” on a per-capita level. If China is fucked up, America will be way worse.
I have produced some “moderate-Deagel” scenarios for the 14 top economies (in GDP PPP). No one will be more populous in 2050 than now, and most of the developed countries are heading for a sharp drop in GDP per capita (Germany might be at 21k vs 56k). My bias says only China and Russia, because of not shooting their feet as proactively, can raise their GDP per capita substantially over a falling population; Brazil and Indonesia will improve slightly too, but far below what conventional economists suggests.
I think I posted this joke before, but you reminded me of it.
A sheikh in a Mid-Eastern sheikdom needed blood transfusion. His blood type was so rare, that the only person with compatible blood was a Jew. The Jew agreed to donate blood, and grateful sheikh gave him an expansive car and a huge house. When the sheikh needed another blood transfusion, the Jew readily agreed. Grateful sheikh gave him a box of chocolates. The Jew asked: last time you gave me a car and a house, but now only a box of chocolates. Why? The sheikh answered: last time I did not have any Jewish blood in me.
It makes good sense for a Chinese-allied dictator in Sub-Sahara Africa to actually learn the Dengist example and impose one-child policy. This time, since everyone is black and allowing minorities to breed will mess up the social balance, there should be zero exceptions.
Sad thing Blacks are too self-centered when they are in high places…
Personally i don’t believe in great reset theories about wiping out 1/3 of the US population. Which can only happen via nuclear war, an ultra deadly disease, or banning child birth and immigration.
Funny how you think that I am the one who sounds patronizing and not the people who like to sneer at peasants.
As for the phone, it’s actually not a bad idea. The product here, of course, is not the phone itself but the bundle of apps. It could be a great help for non-technical normies who want to escape the grip of the tech monopolies but wouldn’t know how to do it by themselves. Will this implementation have multiple problems? Sure. But eventually someone will get it right.
The results of mRNA “vaccinations” are beginning to show: there is an outbreak of covid on British aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth with fully “vaccinated” crew. “Vaccinated” UK health minister just contracted covid. Stay tuned.
Basically, my point is, if Pfizer and Moderna “vaccines” have the composition the companies claim, they can’t be effective. If they are effective, they can’t have “disclosed” composition. So, either composition or effectiveness is a lie. In my experience, people lie when the truth is incompatible with their interests.
Speaking of Deagel’s forecast, it’s no longer available on their site, at least I can’t find it. Why would that be?
You seem to assume exchange rates to stay constant or believe growth is computed at exchange rates.
Food production in space experiments are going on nicely. NASA astronauts are going to grow peppers, tasty.
https://news.yahoo.com/nasa-astronauts-aboard-iss-begun-100000458.html
Also, it looks like Russian Nauka module will launch before James Webb Telescope lol, fingers crossed.
Both were planned to launch in 2007 originally. So just a tad behind schedule.
Most scouts are lazy: any open-ended work will promote stereotyping and laziness. A world with an infinite competition leads to decrease in meritocracy – replaced with biases, connections and lottery. We can consider merit when there are 5-10 options, when we have 100-1000 possibilities there is no room for it.
Italy has kept enough of its tribal mentality and is one of the bright spots in EU. It is hard to comprehend what happened in the Germanic-Celtic northwest of EU – within a generation or two a massive dead-enders tsunami has devastated the societies there.
And in the financial Wonderland, junk bond yields are now below inflation.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/the-junk-bond-market-is-on-fire-this-year-as-yields-hit-a-record-low.html
Do you have an alcoholic uncle? Quick! Grab his bar bill and run over to Goldman Sachs where they will gladly securitize it for you and sell the resulting bond to a pension fund. You will get a nice commission in the process.
And I’m not even kidding – this is inevitable. Everything that can be securitized, will be securitized. Money is irrelevant, debt is everything. The more debt you own, the more debt you want.
Yeah, China seems to have managed to adopted an unique storytelling style so far(the weird mixture of gnosticism, buddhism and quantum universes is pretty amusing), but not really an unique artstyle. But I think there’s cause for hope.
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Quite cringey response above, as those UK’ies had Astra Zeneca shots, which were not mRNA.
Various companies and institutions all over the place use real growth rates after removing inflation.
Get some future value calculator and you will see that you need 4,75 % average growth rates for the period of 2020 – 2050 for China to reach 1,75 times bigger MER GDP by 2050, which is something that everyone, including the chinese government, admits that it is impossible.
Variables: China 70 % of US GDP 2020
US 100 % 2020
US Growth rate as per most financial institutions for the 2020 – 2050 period is 1,7 (1,9 – 1,6 – 1,5 as per CBO)
China’s growth rate for that period is 3,4 (5,1-2,9-2,2) (as per World Bank)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/tools/timevalueofmoney
Exchange rate – most estimate no more than 20 % currency appreciation of the CNY by that point. Some estimate no CNY appreciation at all. You are far from 1,75 times bigger China GDP at that point. The only way to get there is via massive 50 % CNY appreciation and i doubt that this will happen.
If there was no positive white hispanic effect i doubt that the IQ of US migrants (second gen) will be just 4 points below that of the US population, as per PISA.
Why not? The US is already a very diverse country and yet has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, it is one of the most innovative countries in the world per capita, as well as with higher GDP growth rates than most other western countrues. If there was a significant IQ drop due to immigration, i doubt that this would be the case. It would be seen in GDP growth rates. It would be looking more like South Africa. The US gets some very innovative, high quality migrants, see Karlin’s article on it. Yes, it gets lots of third worlders too, but these effects neutralise each other so the overall IQ drop due to immigration is not that large, as PISA shows.
How much will per capita GDP drop? It will drop for certain, but looking at what i said above
it does not look that it will be a big drop. At least right now we are not seeing anything like this.
Assuming average migrant IQ of 94 it will take a long time IMO before US IQ drops in any meaningful sense. It will be probably 96 by 2100, compared to 98 today. Maybe 10 % lower GDP per capita due to that.
Witn Chinese TFR dropping below the quite low of 1,3 of today, – with ongoing urbanisation in China, which will further reduce TFR, it is a possible scenario. But for that to happen, China will also have to reject immigration (which is possible) while the US will also have to prefer Asian immigration (things are going in that direction).
What I read. It seems credible and measured as a source.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/15/china-video-game-censorship-tencent-netease-blizzard
Why do people think that giving exceptions means proving the rule?
It normally does the opposite.
The difference between our two perspectives on where creativity comes from is too great for us to agree; but I wonder if you can at least see my position?
Hard disagree on that one. People do have different meanings of what “inclusivity” is, but, for me, what the Western progressives are awkwardly stumbling towards is a situation where people understand more about themselves, and more about others, than they ever did before.
Latin American cultural products tend to be atrocious at this, but Japanese ones tend to be excellent and speak to people on many levels. You can also see this in the way that Japan tolerates extreme weirdness, but Latin American countries, not so much.
Not bad.
Are you a Chicago fan? I was looking up some old songs on YT and came across this Russian cover band. Damn, pretty good, Chicago themselves gave them an ‘official’ stamp of approval.
The US GDP growth rate has slowed somewhat over the past fifteen years, but the decline has been so slight only a fool would attempt to associate with it a decline in IQ (since there are so many other variables). “More like South Africa” is too vague a statement to bother disputing, but personally, I doubt even a 10 point decline in IQ would make anyone ever think “wow, this country reminds me of South Africa!” Parts of it obviously would (just as they do today), but they would be too few to give the whole country a real South African “feel.”
I approve and endorse Yuri Deigin message:
https://yurideigin.medium.com/get-vaccinated-it-could-help-you-like-not-die-71ebf63555f4
Freedom Phone definitely has problems.
https://gab.com/InfiniteJest/posts/106596917574601626
Genesis was one of the greatest Prog-Rock groups ever. The good news is that all you really need is to have access to albums #3 – #6 (Nursery Crime – The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway) to listen to their finest material. Basically the Peter Gabriel era. Although the following Phil Collins era provided some nice catchy hits, the overall output was rather lame and sluggish IMHO.
I used to like the Group “Chicago” and a similar one called “Blood, Sweat and Tears” (I actually saw this act in concert), however haven’t listened to either group in years. I’ll give your suggestion a listen to, thanks!
The Guardian is a terrible source. The Ministry of Culture has various measures, but there’s some degree of flexibility. If it was accurate, what I linked you wouldn’t be possible.
I actually don’t know if this applies to media at all, sometimes. I think its generally true, but media has this “superstar all or nothing” quality that seems make exceptions into rules.
I know the idea, but think about it, a lot of breakouts really did come from singular things: Japan’s Akira(and later Evangelion) really anchored an entire anime industry to come, Korea’s SNSD(Girl’s Generation) and BTS has managed to build out its significant niche, and China’s Girl’s Frontline/Henshin/Genshin etc seem to building into stride with Punishing Grey Raven, and continuing on.
I think part of why media is different is that once there is a success, imitators appear quickly and innovate from that(anime has some interesting history with that, with animators really starting a new style like Yoshinori Kanada, and then that style becoming dominant, before another “school of thought” modifies it). And if something is successful internationally, it tends to continue to be so.
Its sorta amusing that Japan continues to manage it while basically ignoring international sales almost totally.
I think the idea that Japan with its incredibly restrictive codes of behavior, even gendered speech(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_Japanese), is more free than Latin America in terms of individuality. Its more complex than that, which I think I can explain a bit better as I used to work a lot with Japan(both professionally and hobby).
Japan has more complex codes which allow for weirdness and a strong emphasis on the clique that can allow a person to be strange. That overall love and level of complexity might be more IQ related than anything.
What Japan really does have is an entire societal structure built around what we would think of as cliques. In a professional level, you sometimes have people who have shared clubs in high school, then switch into professional cliques, which hook into governmental ones, etc. Abe was in one, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi
This is true on the hobbyist level too, with multiple circles. There’s a lot of surface politeness, but people are actually quite unpleasant to each other – and this is expected, partly because rivalry is valorized and uh, so is bullying.
Anyway, part of having so many complex sub-groups in society is that they have leaders that peacock themselves, so you get people like Yoko Taro who get to be really joyfully weird. I don’t think that’s what usually think of inclusivity, though – the moment if their clique fails to be successfully, they’d be mercilessly crushed.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Yoko_Taro_cropped.jpg
Anatoly I am once again pestering you about the Great Bifurcation text (and a progress report on the book would be nice)
Pretend Bernie is writing this for maximum effect.
Its funny – I was thinking that I first came to really realize that Chinese games had broken out was because a Canadian girl was happily sharing “omg this is so cute” images of Arksknight – like you mentioned, due to the Japanese style, I had not realized that Girl’s Frontline(which I still find weird) had become incredibly popular.
I’ve been mildly amused by the fact that every single one of these games – Arksknight, Honkai, Frontline – all have multiple books worth of complexity in their storylines. There’s definitely some tradition of wuxia complexity that’s being inherited, probably unnecessarily, but its damn amusing and I actually think that seems to be a selling point. A lot of people do like lore and complexity.
And this might be credited to miHoYo alone, but they actually seem to have pulled off the multi-chapter/seasonal game with beauty; I remember way back when the same was attempted in the US, first with small chapters and later with things like Half-Life…which still doesn’t have a conclusion…but miHoYo does seem to have managed it with their content updates to “tell a narrative.” Japanese versions like SinoALICE have not done so as well.
You are informing me of ways in which I may not see the unpleasant side, intolerant side of Japan, but Latin America so much worse than people think.
Northern man, of all colours, really is an angel compared to the alternatives.
Sounds like inclusive multiculturalism to me! It may be even better for this purpose than the US alternative.
I am separating out progressive big aims from progressive practices. The practices may be often mad, bad and counter productive, as effective sociology and psychology is hard, but the aims are admirable. This gets forgotten far too often, both by progressives who forget the point, and their critics, who feel oppressed.
Who doesn’t want to live in a society where everyone is quite free, secure tolerated and fulfilled?
A friend of mine sent me this poignant e-mail yesterday. I replied that the only image that I bow to is the one of our Savior. I’m sure that this message will resonate well with many who take part at this blogsite:
First Hero of the WOKE and Cancel Culture:
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/06/19/USAT/9c74de91-e0a9-40f2-a837-72692334f74a-GTY_1233540984.jpg?width=660&height=441&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp
So a statue of Teddy Roosevelt in front of the Museum of American Natural History in New York City comes down and a bust of George Floyd goes up in Brooklyn borough of New York City. Yes, makes perfect sense. I wonder if the bust has a plaque listing all his good deeds and his contributions to society ……..
— 3 armed robberies,
— 2 violent home invasions,
— 6 burglaries,
— 3 car thefts,
— Multiple illegal trespasses,
— Cocaine and alcohol addiction,
— Drug dealing (meth and fentanyl),
— Beat 4 victims senseless,
— 23 arrests,
— holding a gun to a very pregnant belly of his robbery victim,
— and lastly, passing a counterfeit $20 bill.
George Floyd was a THUG, NOT a HERO!
Where are the many statues of police to honor all the cops killed by criminals???
Well, what is described definitely isn’t that. You can be tolerated if you’re successful, that’s it. That’s nice, yes, but the default position is a kind of insecurity for everyone, with roles to stand in for personalities.
Well, yeah, to be more like South Africa is too strong statement. Maybe more like Brazil, or more like Mexico, or Argentina.
Well let’s try this method. Median earnings of whites in the US are 93,5 % of those of Asians, while the earnings of hispanics and blacks are 60 % of those of asians. Currently there are 60 % non-hispanic whites, 6,5 % asians, 13,5 % blacks and nearly 20 % hispanics.
That gives you a value of 8270. If we assume that in 2100 white non-hispanics will be 33,9 %, blacks will be 13,4 %, asians 18 %, hispanics 34,7 %, as per one recent study estimates, that assumes converging birth rates and current immigration levels, we get a value of 7856.
This is about 5 % lower, therefore it predicts 5 % lower GDP per capita due to demographic changes. Lets call it best case scenario.
Let’s try another method: innovation rates. Whites are 100, asians are 80, black is 0,0, hispanic is 0,1.
Currently we get a value of 6522.
And in 2100 we get 4833 which is 74 % of the 2020 value. lets call it worse case scenario.
Domestic innovation alone can not predict GDP growth very well due to the fact that there is globalised world and large flows of ideas and technology, thus even countries with low innovation rates reverse engineer some technology, steal some technology, or learn some open source technology and ideas developed by others, which is why you have relatively high GDP growth even in third world countries.
So lets take the middle ground between innovation and earnings, between best case scenario and worse case scenario – which is 84,5 %. So the US gdp per capita should lose 15,5 % from its potential GDP by 2100, caused by demographic changes in the country. Not a small number, but not a big either.
Thanks and noted that this is not a “call” but just an observation about new companies. I will still buy a little of the US-traded ones just to take some risk, and so I have it in the portfolio to remember to look into them later.
Russian investments in particularly are really interesting, as Russian rule of law gradually heals from the pre-Putin age, and Russia builds out her own domestic service economy.
Growth rates up to 2050
It’s hard to follow the numbers based on real GDP growth rates over 30 years. Based on the predictions you use for real GDP growth rate, currency appreciation of either 20% or 0%, and assuming double inflation in both countries every 25 years. Based on those inputs what are your numbers for nominal GDP totals of China and the US in 2050?
For reference, annual GDP (real) per capita growth for the US has kept on declining.
US racial demographics
PISA scores for immigrants are hard to unpack for the purpose of figuring out the economic contributions of Latinos. Instead, I would directly cite income and education figures for Latinos as better data, making it unnecessary to get bogged down by PISA sub-scores. The income and education statistics show big gaps compared to non-Hispanic whites. And the frequently cited average IQ for Latinos in the US is 90. When Latinos become 1/3 of the country, I believe the Latino-black demographic bloc will significantly hamper the economic competitiveness of the US and lower GDP per capita.
There is an interesting point about the number of high IQ immigrants balancing out the larger number of lower IQ immigrants because the quality of the top 5% by IQ in a society is very influential in determining GDP per capita. California is an example of this. However, I do not think the California model is replicated across the US because California vacuums up so much global talent. Florida is a highly diverse state with a low GDP per capita. I think it is a better representation of where the entire US is headed in 2050.
You insist that the economic repercussions for the US of racial demographics falling to 50% white and Asian in 2050 will be minor. I disagree. We have at least identified in our discussion a major premise disagreement.
A demographic collapse as drastic as losing half of the population over the next 80 years simply sounds too drastic for me to believe. I think an intervention in China would occur before reaching that point.
Big Floyd is a national hero.
https://media.nbcnewyork.com/2021/06/george-floyd-statue-newark.jpg
Nowhere is like that, but Japan is much more like that than most places. In most places you can only taste freedom if you’re extremely rich or homeless.
You think that having to avoid offending progressive sensibilities is bad? In most of the world you have to actively show love, in all of your aesthetics, for whatever random cr*p that is popular. It is like a bad cliche of American high school times a million.
The rest of the world does have a stronger private sphere, which allows people some freedom, but the public sphere, which, with modern technology, is more and more of life, is oppressively conformist.
Latin America has been one big “everyone wears masks outdoors” jamboree for the last year. There is absolutely no evidence that this helps, but it is almost universally conformed to.
The West thinks of the Japanese as conformist, like some people think Shia and Sunni are Muslims, so what’s the difference, but less developed societies really are very extreme in this regards.
An interesting Unz specific example is this weird valorising of China as some bastion of independent thought, yet all Unz commenters, if they were Chinese, and their concerns were Chinese too, would be social pariahs, probably in jail, and Ron would have been disappeared. I suppose they imagine that they would have had the whip hand, and destroy their “enemies”, but probability says not.
The ability to zoom in and zoom out of a picture, at will, without getting stuck or mesmerised, seems to be extremely rare.
This is not true at all. It has been increasing steadily, and this is measured in Dollars, which have been appreciating.
https://www.multpl.com/us-real-gdp-per-capita/table/by-year
He wrote growth has been declining. But that’s true for most of the world anyway.
What is the average annual GDP (real) per capita growth for the US from 1980-1999? What is it for 2000-19?
I think that our elites chose the wrong guy to fill the shoes of a “national hero” for the country.
Although I think that the cops that apprehended this long term felon went too far in their “policing tactics”, there was no good reason to choose him as some sort of demigod to be worshiped by the masses. His enthronement was ill thought out, and he will not serve the overall public interest as a legitimate rallying symbol.
Well, no, I think you’re underestimating the extremes here. Unless you’re extremely successful, then you have even less individuality than usual, since the basic idea is that people have roles to execute, roles that vary based on context, etc.
However, I do think one contrast from what you said that is while there’s more conmformity in Japan(and yes, yes, there is, the economic miracle post war would be impossible without it), it is a an effort to build a pleasant conformity. Everything in society often seems to emphasize a role, so while for example, mothers are expected not to work, there’s an entire status thing with fashion and “women who do lunch” which emphasizes how pleasant it is. Women can’t make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that’s basically fine because if they can’t think they can, and then no one else tells them they can, then they’re pretty happy about it. And yes, then there are the exceptional cases I mentioned.
It is in many ways, pretty well designed. You don’t impose crushing conformity, you kind of harmonize it into being. Its pretty crushing, but it feels organic. That’s actually one of the great successes.
China is much less oppressive than imagined. Unz commentators would likely be fine, much like the zhihu.com commentators are fine. China engages much more in deletion and mass blocks…kinda like Twitter(lol), than anything else. Its people who try to create rival parties that face worse punishment, but its not like the US isn’t already there with the declaration of people as “extremists” and “extremist organizations.”
All banks and financial institutions give you real GDP growth rates after accounting for inflation, this is what real gdp growth means.
Yeah, it is declining in all rich countries, regardless if there is large third world immigration or not, see Japan or Taiwan. This is the diminishing returns effect in economics. The richer you get, the lower the growth rate, in general.
What are the numbers – see those from Bloomberg for example. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-u-s-to-become-no-1-why-it-may-never-happen
Average growth per year.
China Growth Scenario Base case
2021-2030 5.0%
2031-2040 3.7%
2041-2050 2.6%
US future growth numbers can be taken from CBO, they are 2,35 % for 2021-2030, 1,6 % for 2030-2040, 1,5 % for 2040-2050.
These are not per capita estimates but total gdp growth estimates, using widely available demographic data mostly in line with the UN population projections.
China is currently 70,4 % GDP of the US and US is 100.
Using a future value calc, this gives you China being 1,24 times bigger in MER GDP by 2050. Assuming relatively optimistic 20 % CNY appreciation that gives you 1,49 times bigger Chinese GDP by 2050.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/tools/timevalueofmoney
I already made calculations using earnings and innovation rates in a comment above, check them out.
I only spoke about economics, not about political and other issues. China i believe will be more stable than the US.
I don’t want to insist also, if you see my first wild guess was a 10 % US per capita GDP drop by 2100, later after some calcs i made i moved onto 15,5 % drop. I’m pretty open about ideas, actually i’m not a fan of the US. But i sometimes like to play devil’s advocate too.
I’m pretty certain that the economic losses for the US should not be big by 2050 seeing that even now, when the US became a pretty diverse country, it has higher rates of invention compared to almost all other countries, higher or similar GDP growth rates to other rich countries, regardless of the immigration issue or lack of it in them, and one of the highest per capita GDP in the world, so if there was some significant IQ and innovation drop the country should be more like Argentina or something. It should be showing in those parameters above. It shouldn’t be so innovative currently, or be so rich, or have such gdp growth rates. And it is not showing, nothing significant, therefore the economic decline caused by the present demographics changes is relatively small.
Well, i don’t know. The likes of Japan or Korea seems to be doing nothing, they probably prefer that overpopulation will decrease. China though faces great power competition, so it has to act. I’m just saying that the current demographic numbers out of China – 1,3 TFR with still large rural population, that will urbanise in the future, and thus TFR will drop further, a pretty bad.
I can certainly say that it is slowly dropping, just like it is dropping for any rich country out there. Population ageing and the law of diminishing returns do not allow high growth rates in rich countries.
Here the gdp growth per worker in the US is actually higher than in Japan. In per capita growth its even worse for Japan since many in that ageing country are pensioners, so when you compare such countries it is better to look at per worker gdp growth.
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You got that “fact” that aborigines have 4X better vision from a fluff online news source. Here’s an Australian government source that speaks of the myriad of eye problems that abos have. https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/indigenous-australians/eye-health-in-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islande/contents/summary
What disappoints me is that there are only two Big Floyd statues. I expected better.
Zhihu.com looks even less critical of the Chinese government than the Washington Post is of the Democratic party. Actually much less.
Where’s their article arguing that Covid-19 is a Chinese bioweapon purposefully released out of completely incompetent spite?
Or that the CCP is composed of a caste of people who ritually sacrifice babies and drink their blood?
Or that the current aim of the CCP is to make ‘yellow genocide”?
The most government critical thing I saw was an “open” discussion on whether the CCP conducts propaganda overseas – as in pays to get good news. That is it. If it were the US, it could be a Presidential office press release.
This is evidence of extremely oppressive censorship, that makes the US version look ephemeral.
I still perceive Japan as so much closer to the US, than it is to Africa, India or even Latin America, and obviously the Middle East.
22% of doctors in Japan are women, and rising fast. This is what it was in the US back in the final year of the Clinton administration. Hardly “impossible” for women. Or even negative at all.
I’ve been reading with interest your discussion with Daniel Chieh regarding the world economic situation especially as regards between China and the US. I’m glad to read that the US economy should remain relatively unscathed until the 2050’s. I think that the greatest impediment to US hegemony will not be greatly tested until a serious threat is made to the US dollar as the world’s petrodollar and reserve currency medium. Do you or Daniel have any thoughts as to when such a play may actually be made to unseat this very advantageous situation for the US economy?
That must take into account that California is very important for overall US GDP and innovation, much more than Florida. Then there is the broad issue of the US having an economy of scale. This is significant.
If you look at the US as a whole and not per states, the US has one of the highest rates of production of high quality science in the world per capita, beating almost all other rich countries. So the US itself, as a whole, (per capita of its total population) “vacuums up so much global talent”. Karlin made articles on it.
If aliens somehow managed to find the gold record on Voyager, then they would probably have enough evidence to theorize that we were destroyed by poz.
Why not spearhead a campaign to have one more erected in your hometown? Collections for other more frivolous causes are made everyday.
lol, there was actually a couple at one point which said that “Chinese people should have died, Japanese should have won WW2” and that was actually in official academia, not just zihui.
There was also the pretty entertainingly insane Auntology, which was a bit like the “yellow genocide” but its more like “keep everyone as a slave caste member.”
https://supchina.com/2019/03/13/chinas-intellectual-dark-web-and-its-most-active-fanatic/
I’m not saying that. Politically the country will become more polarised and fractured. Politics may have an effect on economics. The US also has large and growing debts. The US military will be cut, it is already baked in in future budgets. The US dollar in general will be weakening in the long term both due to the debt issue and the decline in the share of the US in the global economy. The US will be a declining country (in relative decline), imo, up to 2100. I also think that China will be a declining country after 2050, so both of them will be declining.
IMO the dollar will lose its dominant place, but slowly. There should be a basket of currencies, gold and crypto replacing the dollar, with the dollar still acounting for maybe 25% -30 % of globalreserves, but it will happen slowly imo. By 2050. Not by 2030. It is right now at 59 %. The CNY is estimated to reach 10 % in global reserves by 2030. The dollar will lose its place much faster in transactions, it is happening now, as countries are looking to avoid sanctions or surveillance. It is right now at 39 %.
So i see a multipolar world in the making, not US dominated, but not China dominated either. Peak China power should be around 2050, i think it will take Taiwan by the 2040s, after that things should get really chaotic and interesting, with India reaching near US GDP at the end of the century, Africa reaching 3-4 trillion people, and muslims becoming nearly 35 % of the global population. A real multipolar world. I think that the curent system will collapse by 2050. It will be more non-white, more post european world. And it should be more dangerous too, probably the NPT regime will collapse, as more and more players emerge, and many countries will obtain nuclear weapons.
I’m talking about the brain’s ability to process the signal from the eyes. Not the eyes themselves.
Hunter gatherers tend to have better ability to process movement.
It looks to me like you’re backpedaling a bit, or at least hedging your bets. A plain reading of the quotation of yours in my comment #142 seems to paint a somewhat rosier picture…I’m probably nitpicking here and do appreciate your fuller reply in #147.
Most “vaccinated” people in the UK had Pfizer.
Tell me who is your national hero, and I tell you what kind of nation you are.
Edward Dutton made a video criticizing the idea of the technological singularity, and why he thinks it won’t happen.
Well, that was a discussion about the effect of immigration on the US economics alone, but politics will also be affected, and this points to potential instability and division, and then if you look at long term economic studies about the US, they already point to long term relative decline of its place in the global economy, although slow. And they are not even aware of the immigration effects (or third-wordisation effects) on the US, which adds a further downside for it, especially in the long term. Although it is not a big downside (probably 15-16 % potential loss in GDP by 2100), but its there, and it adds up.
So it looks that the US relative decline for this century is baked in, but also that the US is a very resourceful country, and well connected country, with very good starting position, so it should be a slow decline. But there is political risk that is hard to predict. When there is polarisation, something small can cause big trouble. See the George Floyd saga. Or a war and use of force to try to show that the US is not in decline
These three effects that intersect each other at the same time – whites becoming a minority in the country, debt reaching all time high, with the US gradually losing influence in the world, and everybody knowing about that, point that something may happen. Either internally or externally. The tension is there, it is just looking for a spark.
That’s still nothing on Unz, it is Chinese Brett Weinstein, and those sites are either censored or they’re hosted abroad and the authorities try to ban them, from what I’ve looked up. I also notice that the one you provided before, as evidence of some dissent being allowed, is, from what I actually read, no more dissenting than the White House PR office.
I am sure that China has many weird, mad and wonderful ideological currents, but it feels like you’re telling me it is the middle of day outside, because it is not completely pitch black.
Pretty shocking to see a pre-code Capra film. Guessing even as director, he felt powerless to censor the writer.
Seems to support my view that censorship is necessary.
I also see that “Auntie” is now a political refugee in the United States.
He is pretty astute on the West however, and funny.
Google translate did a good job for me:
https://freewechat.com/a/MzI4MjA3MTg2OA==/2652507882/1?rss
Hopefully that will give North America some peace, and even the greatest “swallow the peoples of the world”-types will struggle to keep up their desired level of immigrant inflows.
Then the self-improvement can begin, ha ha.
Those who know, know.
Kind of a good joke, right?
People act like going from 1.4 billion to…even 800 million (not that that is going to happen) over the course of a century is some crazy catastrophe. Even Japan going from 120 million to 80 million (again, not going to happen, bar a nuclear war over Taiwan), is not a disaster. Still bigger than Ireland, in both cases, and either 10 Germanies or 1 Germany, respectively.
America’s population going over 400,000,000 would have been impressive in an era when they would have been more white. Now it’s just sad. Though, Hispanics are pretty okay, so we can artificially hit over 400 mil by integrating Mexico, which would probably also improve our immigration laws as Mexicans vote en masse to bar any foreigners from settling their country, including Central Americans. Lol.
Most over ’70s had Pfizer. So have most under 40s. It is about even. It would depend when the military were vaccinated.
The only reason the US is “innovative per capita” than most countries is due to immigration. It does a poor job at raising local talent. As the rest of the world improves amd catches up (and Europe declines), I predict fewer people will emigrate from their countries (a reverse brain drain may even occur) and “US innovation” will greatly slow down. We are already seeing this in China, where many large Chinese tech companies are ex-Silicon Valley employees coming back to China to make their fortunes (ex Anker CEO). Currently China is undergoing a reform of its university system, I predict this will raise its Universities to a US standard (at minimum) so there will also be less motivation to go abroad, as the gov opens up more high quality universities throughout China.
Soviet music did improve when Stalin set actual (read: traditional) music standards.
Obviously, there is some balance that is needed. I bet the ideal varies for the individual and the culture.
You are making one crucial assumption that needs to be examined – that the US will remain intact as it is now. The uncentralized nature (ie each State is semi-autonomous) of the USA where each “State” is essentially its own country with a unified currency and protected by a central government, means that if the US economy declines, stops being first,’ its productivity falls, has too many people of a certain ethnicity (say Latinos) concentrated in one place – it can so happen that States begin to remember historical grievances or suddenly “discover” a new identity (like Ukraine or the provinces of the Roman Empire) that is suddenly at odds with the rest of the US and may attempt secession – especially if the power of the Feds weaken, some governors may figure it will be better for them if they where the President of their own country.
This often happens to States/Empires that begin an (even modest) economic decline. This happened to Rome, Britain and USSR. It doesnt usually happen to relatively homogenous states, but the US is not homogenous and will become less so over time. Moreover the semi-autonomous nature of its State system seems like it would lend itself well to splintering. A splintering will ruin any projections of econokic growth.
So do you think its likely the US will remain intact in its current State or splinter based on ethnic, economic or Racial lines?
You should read Weibo, people constantly complain about stuff and protests are encouraged in China and the government seems to be far more responsive.
Check out the below article for more on the matter:
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/surprise-authoritarian-resilience-china/
Let us not forget the elephants! A war the interior Africans didn’t start winning until the introduction of guns wholesale to the Savannah. I’m not even kidding. Those guys will wreck a village of any moderate size. I like elephants, but a war is a war. Bees and thorn bushes help, though.
In time, with the advantages of many modern breakthroughs (medicinal and otherwise) and ongoing Chinese infrastructure development and investment (different than Western financial investment), as well as political stabilization (much of Africa is, in fact, not a horrible, rape-filled warzone), they’ll figure themselves out and create the moderately prosperous societies. It won’t be Germany, China, Japan, Russia, Korea or Britain, but it will be a fairly okay place to be, and especially so if one is African (biologically and culturally).
It takes time, though, and a outsiders not to interfere besides simple trade and infrastructure deals. Gadaffi was always working towards that goal. A damn shame it was, too. Europe and the world could have had a moderately stable and moderately prosperous Dark Continent, and instead they opted for “The Gayest and Darkest” Timeline.
The great shame of Xbox, and Microsoft, as my father noted (working there), is that they absolutely, positively refuse to build factories in Japan and South America, despite the fact their these people actually game, can appreciate Xbox games, and more importantly, buy nationalist. Meaning, one must first produce there to sell there, but this ensures a chance at the market. Alas, Microsoft leadership is as short sighted as many American mega-corporations.
The more extreme zihui comments I recall were in the comments, including arguments that the Party was keeping everyone as leeks and therefore basically failing in their mission, etc. Its not that rare.
Auntology is quite a bit more extreme than Weinstein or any “Dark Web” intellectual despite the name of the article: it advocates the breakup of the nation, which would fall into extremism in the US as well, which now is being actively sought for to suppressing, including even less far-out movements.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
In fact, I’m not even sure Unz could safely host such discussion at the moment to be honest.
Dictators in Africa have a eight wives and forty children. How are they going to tell people to stop having bunches of kids?
Numbers are deceptive, women are mostly in part-time labor.
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/17262.jpeg
And the grade-editing is reasonably well known.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/08/tokyo-medical-school-admits-changing-results-to-exclude-women
Given the same clique system I mentioned before and the importance of informal “shadowy” organizations, it serves as effective barriers while not actually appearing as such. Like I mentioned before, I actually think this is somehow rather admirable because it comes off as fairly smooth and nonconfrontational(though its innately hypocritical, much like how crime is effective zero, but mobsters like yazuka are legal, so their crime is intentionally overlooked).
Those people that want student debt cancelled have absolutely no clue. That stuff is gold.
This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce. The solution for China and Japan to reverse their poor fertility rates is to make it seem that having many children is a very pleasant and socially desirable thing for women. If combined with good social/financial planning, I predict demographic trends to reverse in a generation (with good enough propaganda and strict censorship).
He’s in the US, along with this extremely moderate and loyal dissident.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2020-12-04/chinese-communist-party-failed
First three you’ve mentioned, plus famine-tier supply chain collapses (in the “same” way Holodomor & Great Leap Forward happened) and possibly industrial genocide.
I don’t see evidence that the numbers are deceptive, and even if so, I don’t see any problem with “part-time” work.
Not that these caveats would matter anyway as numbers are rising extremely quickly, just as the US did, but 20 years behind.
Artstyle? There is basically not much room for innovation outside of those that can be also shared by Japanese artists. But the narrative and worldviews are gold.
People trying to estimate US GDP growth rate to 2050 are missing the point.
US GDP is going to skyrocket, but innovation, technology, immigration, or even my favorite pet interest – debt, are not really going going to be the key drivers. Those things won’t matter in the grand scheme of things.
By 2050, obesity rate in the US will be well over 50%, maybe pushing 60%, and this, combined with aging population, will create a rather interesting cascade of health problems and massive cash cow for the healthcare sector.
If you think US healthcare, at 18% GDP and $4 trillion annually today, is expensive, you ain’t seen nothing yet. My base case for 2050 is 25% GDP, but I wouldn’t rule out 30-35% GDP in healthcare expenditures. The more people get sick with chronic illnesses, the higher the GDP will go. And there will be many such cases.
By 2050 US economy will be fully powered by oil. No, not shale oil. Land whale oil.
When you one day meet a woman, you will be wrapped as tightly around her finger as a Chinese finger trap.
I’ve had sex with more women than most guys will in their lifetime. I’m tall and good looking asian guy who lifts 5x a week.
Point is not to brag about my sexploits – point is to say women are easily manipulated if you are the right guy. You can turn a Jewish girl into a rabid Nazi. You can also brainwash a feminist into becoming a housewife (whether she’ll be a good one is another question). Women will adopt the views (and lifestyle and hobbies) of a guy theyre with (if they like him alot).
Women will go after what they think gives them more social status – society (and men) can use that to their advantage. They are also incredibly emotional
This is one of my deeper assumptions on my US estimates. Federal power and massive economies of scale + internal supply chains will have to go, but we might still see a common market and currency (the Dollar), if those aren’t points of political contention (I’ll say local markets and competing currencies are more likely given the political divide and conflicting ideologies)
You can just look at Central Asia or Baltics for what will be happening (Independence wiped out Latvia’s locomotive industry)
Replace women with people, and it’s pretty accurate. The fish absorbs what’s in the water, people absorb the information provided: men and women both.
I agree that federal power will go. Many of the multinational corporations in the US (especially large ones) will either move overseas or collapse (moving overseas is more likely.
I think that although the dollar may stay as the de facto currency, eventually each seceded state will develop its own currency to “legitimize” the rule of their new government. Also, a “specialization” and alliance of states will form to be able to acquire food (as many of the costal cities are not self sufficient.
But this is getting deeply into theory land – i may be wrong about my thesis and US central power is stronger than i thought – but it seems like the “State” system along with the social tensions in the US is a ripe combination for splintering (I know i’d want to be my own boss if i was the governor of a State and the opportunity to secede aros, i’d take it).
I agree in general – however men seem to be more susceptible to xenophobic/status quo/militiristic propaganda. Women are more susceptible to social propaganda (social media, movies, etc). Anecdotally, men have no opposition to large families, its mostly the women who dont want them bc they seem to think that a career is glamorous and desirable and pleasant (never mind to womens happiness levels being lowest in history) – this view seems to come from the media that actively pushes women into the workforce and shows motherhood as something “oppressive” and “undesirable”. Given womens inherent emotionality, desire for social status and social conformity, and predeliction for following trends – a strong propaganda campaign targeted at adolescent and teen girls showing them how desirable a large family is and how miserable career women are will see a large efflux of women from the workforce.
That is the only discernable point.
You’re hoping to use your story above to get more “social status” on this board, so I don’t imagine that you’d be difficult to manipulate in exactly the way you think women are. This is interesting. It is also why I said that you would end up wound around some girl’s finger, completely oblivious.
Further evidence is that you think that you are tricking those women into sex, with the implication that you owe them something. If you are tall and good looking, then you aren’t tricking them at all. Women enjoy sex and like tall and good looking men. They’re just giving you that impression so that they get free use of your credit card, which I believe is ordinary in East Asia; you Machiavellian manipulator, you.
Collapse, nationalizations or break-ups are quite possible to me (especially those strongly associated with Federal power e.g. Big Media, Social Media, Big Pharma).
If libertarian ideology is strong in some parts gold and crypto will predominate.
Also possible that interior “Red” states will intentionally block food sales to “Blue” states for ideological revenge (partisan labels losing relevance notwithstanding)
Let me quote the UN middle projections (that appear increasingly laughable each passing day) for the US, China, Japan, Germany and Mexico in 2100:
US 434M
China 1065M
Japan 75M
Germany 75M
Mexico 142M
It is indeed very catastrophic for Japan and Germany, especially if you consider that Japan will be a nation of downwardly mobile seniors and Turks in Germany could reach parity with Germans (I think Turks are Greek-tier but you still don’t want Southern European efficiency in the industrial powerhouse of Europe)
Well, I don’t see “sharing” as being an issue, but yes, there’s always a lot of potential for style. In anime, for example, the Yoshinori Kanada style became very prolific, but was then succeeded by Hiroyuki Imaishi with Gainax, which also had contribution in the commonality of the amusingly named Gainaxing trope 😛
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Gainaxing
But yes, even now, you can clearly see a difference between say Kyoani’s and UFOtable’s work, etc; its possible that Chinese animators will eventually have a more distinctive style as well. Right now it seems to just be a shared obsession with a major female character with white hair 😛
If you think im using “my story” to acquire more social status on an anonymous board, why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women? If you presume to make judgements about them, im sure you arent afraid of such a challenge?
Sure women like sex with good looking men. I wasnt always good looking (looks is often a function of how you dress/your physique and less so about face, imo). Still had no problems then.
Further proof you dont meet many women – if you need a “credit card” or money to get laid – then you’re a beta! In fact, if you want good relationships with women never pay for them and get them gifts. Ever. And never let them use your credit card. Spend money freely on yourself not on them.
If you need money to get a woman, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve had women pay for expensive hotels while i was a broke student living on a matress with my mom.
Nah.
I don’t think that systems of informal networks, basically variants of “old boy clubs” favor women. Long and short, women don’t seem to organize semi-secret cliques all that effectively.
I suppose that’s one perhaps positive result of it, even though it causes tons of other problems: tons of wasted efforts in stupid rivalries, lack of entrepreneurship due to financialization also using the friends and family system, and generally a lack of promotion of skill since it immediately favors seniority.
Its funny – though probably not true – that it is arguably a reason for continuing Japanese malaise, as under Abenomics, Japanese banks provided tons of stimuli and tax cuts for their personal friends in the largest companies, which of course, just immediately saved it or paid it out in dividends rather than invest it. In the end, little of the stimulus ever turned into additional economic activity.
It certainly was a hilarious amount of wasted money.
The reason why governments encourage women in the workforce is that they would like more GDP per capita; this was explicitly the reasoning behind Abenomics. The corporate encouragement of female employment and the two-income trap has been documented elsewhere, its relatively solid.
I don’t think men particularly favor large families either though; in general, urban environments don’t since children are costs rather than potential employees. Its also possible that there’s just some sort of mental effect against crowding.
I personally think that pro-natalism policies should resemble Hungary’s, which seem to encourage women already with children to have more children. That’s particularly useful in East Asia, where many women have one child – but then stop at one. Encouraging increased fertility from those who have more, and thus already have sunk costs into children, is likely an effective trend.
Probably if you create enough mothers like that, they’ll basically form their own political bloc. Housewives can have a surprising amount of free time for politics once the children are older, or if they have older children taking care of younger ones.
Crypto is a meme that will not last long. Its entirely speculative and has no value. As a result it will eventually crash. Already China has banned Crypto, India will follow suit. More countries will ban crypto (probably all of EU) once they start releasing their own digital currency. Governments do not go long without regulating, unregulated markets. As more places will ban crypto, its initial value will rise as it becomes scarcer and then collapse entirely as there is not enough people “mining” or “using” it. At most bitcoin will remain in use for the dark web/criminal enterprises but I do not imagine it having long widespread use.
I agree. Once a certain lvele of prosperity is reached (and in especially dire straits like Korea or Japan), the emphasis should shift away from GDP/capita and towards fertility. I wonder if we will see this.
It seems the entire feminist movement that is seen in the West is derived from corporations trying to brainwash women into entering the workforce to increase the labor pool while decreasing wages.
Most Men are more romantic (ironically) than women and are essentially open to doing whatever the woman wants. However on social media (especially om the right), it seems that “Trad lifestyles” with large families are being propagandized for men. This is bound to subconciously influence mens preferences.
I dont think people think this far ahead. Rather they see glamorous lifestyles on TV and want to continue having “fun” (usually “fun” is also whatever they see online/on tv)
I dont think such a mechanism exists. Though I may be mistaken.
Interesting idea. And how has this worked for Hungary thus far?
Also, the question arises is how do you “encourage” women to have more children? The only way I see is to flood them with propaganda. Good propaganda is strong enough to bypass peoples natural aversion/dusgust to gays or transvestites, i’m sure it will work particularly strong on things that are biological imperatives like child raising.
He got buried in a GOLD COFFIN, omg speechless.
http://www.islamicity.org/global/images/photo/IC-Articles/goldencalf__1200x400.JPG
Just a guess, but maybe because Triteleia Laxa isn’t a lesbian and, therefore, has no female conquests to compare?
You’re talking about animes which China still haven’t been able to crack into the global (even Japanese) market (except as outsourcing). Chinese artists are much more specialized in standalone and game art, and in that regard it’s currently much closer to the average Japanese style, tho still having enough original variations. The obessessoon with white hair is just a distinctive trait that’s based on relatively generic designs
You’re probably underestimating the value of having currencies of political independence and opposition to the coming institutions. Which is why rather than re-formalizing economic activities, informalization is the trend for local economic activities, amd crypto is one of the options.
23andme in its current form doesn’t seem very useful or serious, e.g., the way SJW employees apparently had some fun by marking certain results as ‘<1% subsaharan african' just to troll the racists. However, being underwritten by a Google founder, I think the company is a way for jews to have their own private genomics firm without any need for their precious genes to leak to the goyim. Given the money behind it, 23andme can probably exist indefinitely.
In general, as a customer you get your little report in exchange for your genetic information put in a freezer, digitized and logged. Who knows what happens with it afterwards. Overall, I don't find the trade off very enticing.
On a more general note, I do however think genetic information will become increasingly used for various intrusive and routine official purposes. Excepting the good and great, naturally — we're not animals.
(Sweden btw already has a sort of genetic register of everyone born in Sweden after 1975. This was motivated by detecting genetic disease — such a worthy purpose — but was in 2003 used to identify the murderer of politician Anna Lindh, I believe by matching blood spatter. He turned out to be the stabby son of an immigrant Serbian couple.)
We nice people in Sweeeden boosted our PISA results last time around by quietly excluding low-quality migrants, by the way.
Growth rates up to 2050
Banks have tended to underpredict Chinese growth over the past 20 years. A more HBD-orientated prediction uses South Korea’s economic trajectory of the last 30 years as a reference point for China’s next 30 years. In 2021, South Korea had a GDP per capita of 51% of the US.
If China has 3.5 times the people as the US in 2050, you predict at the upper end, China will have a GDP per capita that is 43% of the US. I am going against the banks and predicting 50% or higher instead. The reasons are the South Korean precedent and US decline. China may not do as well as South Korea because of the constraints of being a big country (e.g. no possible way to match South Korean export market share in proportion to population), but I also believe US GDP per capita growth will be weaker over the next 30 years compared to the past. It will be hobbled by racial demographics.
US racial demographics
The US is by far the richest country per capita among countries with populations higher than 10 million. That makes it hard to see any effect of greater racial diversity on economic performance. But I think state-by-state comparisons shed some light. Massachusetts is another state that like California vacuums a lot of global talent. It is not as racially diverse as California and has a GDP per capita of 10% higher. That difference could be what California is losing out on. Florida is quite racially diverse. Unlike California or Texas, it doesn’t get as much global talent or produce almost 2 million barrels of oil a day. It is #40 among states by GDP per capita. And it is still 20 years behind California or Texas in racial diversity.
It also makes sense to assume a white/Asian demographic decline from 65% to 50%+ will be a harder hit to the economy than compared to the fall from 80% to 65%.
US over taking China
As this is 80 years away it’s too speculative for me to find as interesting as other subjects being discussed. I also think the Chinese government will intervene if faced with demographics going that badly. That is all I have to say about it.
Well put.
Watching this whole surreal saga unfold is probably what whites who were in the know in the 1950s felt like when the Rosa Parks myth was being foisted on them. The difference is that was a complete put-up job, whereas the initial incident that sparked the Floyd mania occurred naturally. In both cases though, the entire media apparatus was psychologically and ideologically well prepared to spring into action.
Remember the poor jogger who was se upon by whitey a few weeks before the Floyd overdose? I think the Cathedral was casting about for something suitable to provoke a big chimpout before the election.
https://wesleyyang.substack.com/p/welcome-to-year-zero
It took a decade or so for the theory of “colorblind racism” to move from academia to corporate America, and another half-decade for it to be explicitly endorsed by the federal government.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2021/07/16/un-orders-global-systematic-racism-probe/
“The UN Human Rights Council on Tuesday highlighted the global “scourge” of systemic racism and ordered an independent investigation into racially-fuelled police violence around the world.
Setting up infra for Bantu invasion.
From what I have gathered over time, it turns out that Serbia, where the local soyadeen constantly bitch and moan about a “patriarchal xenophobic culture” is pretty much the most open. The worst we do is talk shit – and we do that to our friends, even. It’s all banter.
Now, if only we could exclude low-quality migrants from reproducing…
Please contact Galactic Central:
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I understand peoples desire for political independence but when was the last time governments left a popular thing unregulated? Or freely gave people political independence? I predict crypto.will be attacked by governments at every turn in the future
That’s one industry which is beginning to get dominated by China.
This is a good thing as they censor all the woke ideology that ruined Western games. I’ve been playing Genshin Impact lately and it’s so refreshing to not have multiracial gay polyamorous romances in my silly bit of relaxing entertainment. It’s a huge hit that definitely proves that Chinese gaming industry is ready to take on the West although it’s also an example of things that are popular with Chinese gamers and not with Western gamers (gacha + mobile focus).
Predictable censorship by the all powerful Party (or King or whoever) can be good for creativity because it lets the artist figure out the game of getting as close to the line as possible and finding creative ways to get the message to the viewer past the censors. De jure freedom of speech but de facto censorship by activist fanatics like in the West leads to much wider sanitization (since no one can predict who the fanatics come for next) and companies filling their products with pre-emptive pandering to the woke mob.
The biggest problem that China has in exporting video games is that they jumped straight past the personal computer and console cultures that the West and Japan experienced and developed a tech culture mainly for smartphones. We find it a downgrade to game on a phone compared to a PC or a console but the Chinese don’t because they skipped that whole era and went straight from villages with no electricity to the smartphone era.
You go first!
I also understand what “game” is, and the “theory” behind it. I strongly disagree with why it “works”, while not disputing the basic efficacy of don’t be pathetic, don’t be disgusting and don’t be boring.
My main “interesting point” is that “game” posits that women are all about social status, unlike men, who like sex, because of biology.
I find this hilarious, because, as per your post, men who talk about “game” a lot are obviously motivated by the way in which they perceive that sleeping with a lot of hot women will add to their own social status as a performatively masculine, sharp-eyed cynic.
This, the inability to discern your own motivations from those of others, is a distinct psychological weakness. Such weaknesses make you very easy to manipulate; especially when paired with the delusion that you are manipulating others.
Please try to calmly list what you think motivates women, and then attempt to recognise yourself in that list. It will be good for you.
As for your triumphs with all of those hotties, I am happy for you, just try to remember, that from sex upwards through to lifetime partnership, it is about the journey, not the destination, as the destination is always death.
He’ll be manipulated, but he’ll have no clue that’s what’s happening. He’ll insist it’s entirely his own desire to maximize his status and impress his girlfriend etc etc 🙂
That’s always how it is with macho guys. They’re completely trapped by their self image and need to impress others, but cannot see this as being the victim of manipulation.
In reality, though, as human beings we are interdependent on others and our environment. This dream of being able to stand “outside” this matrix and brainwash and manipulate others is a complete fantasy. Anything you try to manipulate you will necessarily end up being manipulated by.
Take mating rituals – the man tries to “manipulate” the woman by impressing her with his “fitness”. But by so doing, he is acceding to her ideas of what fitness is. She expects – he conforms. Who is manipulating who?
Maybe manipulating is the wrong frame. Interdependence is more accurate. And it’s not just other humans – the total environment, forces completely out of our control, play a role.
This idea of the “outside observer”, standing aloof from everything and controlling it, was an artifact of Newtonian science, and has been decisively disproven by Quantum Mechanics. Our thinking just has not caught up yet.
Although, philosophically, it has been disproven many times across the world.
One feels that new advances in science are being held back from out unwillingnesd to truly move past the simplicity of Newton.
You know the dedicated Russia hater XSovietNews on Twitter? There’s an article about her being fired from her job. The information checks out with her Linkedin page so it’s definitely her. The story is basically that the employer fired her for behaving inappropriately and now she wants compensation for trauma.
Here’s the article.
Funny, but how is this newsworthy?
Yes, they were definitely prospecting. The ‘jogger’ story had legs, but they really hit pay dirt with Floyd. The smug way the cop had the groid on the ground with his knee, I bet some of the old hands in the newsroom knew they had another Rodney King the second they saw that.
Systemic sterilization you mean? One of the good things Bill Gates has done, by your standard, is using vaccinations to sterilize women in underdeveloped countries. The allegation of whether COVID vaccines are intended for that is one of the biggest points of contention.
This isn’t to say these “displays” work. Rather, this shows why they cannot by definition work. The practice undermines the premise.
“Racially-fuelled police violence” must be punished while regular police violence commited on same-race victims are ok, eh?
The respect for the inherent value of humanity is gone.
(I actually don’t endorse that kind of sterilization. Properly you need the consent of the woman involved)
Already 40% of doctors in Japan under 29 are women. This has moved from single figures in a lifetime. All of your imagined obstructions haven’t done anything to stop the trend, which will continue, that is baked in. Japan is on the same path as the US, but just following 20 years behind. Reality has not conformed to your theories, so I suppose your theories are wrong.
Game states that women are not just about social status lol. If you think that you know nothing of Game.
Women and men have different biological imperatives and methods of achieving them.
Women have a dual mating strategy that can be broadly described as “alpha fucks, beta bucks”. Meaning that they’d rather fuck (and potentially have the kids) of a guy they think is psychologically alpha and have the weaker, provider type pay for it. This explains why women are more prone to cheat then men. If a man can embody both archetypes, that is ideal but very very rare. In youth when theyre beauty (and social status) is maxinized they will seek to date and sleep with the best guys. As they get older and their beauty (and this social status) declines, this becomes harder until they settle down with some poor schmuk who will be happy to provide for them and a kid blisfully unaware of their sordid past.
Men on the other hand want to maximize their ability to sleep with as man women as possible (biologically speaking) while minimizing their investment.
In traditional societies (before the social pact of monogamy was made), women where concentrated around a few men in harems. This accounts for why men have 17 female ancestors to 1 male ancestor (measured by variation in mitochondrial DNA for the female line and Y chromosomal variation in the male line). Eventually a social contract was made that guarenteed one woman for one man (however the powerful still ended up having harems), and this was done to ensure social stability and that men have a reason to contribute to society without going GALT or trying to overthrow it. This social contract broke and we are seeing a return to traditional times – most men arent having sex and most sex is concentrated around top 20% of men in a pareto distrbution. This has been even more exacerbated by online dating and womens enfranchisement . Game evolved as a response to that.
Now you ask what makes a guy “alpha”? Of course social status, looks and money plays a role but ultimately women are willing to overlook that if you can project psychological strength. Looks money and status makes things a great deal easier, but psychological strength is what women want. They will actively test for it by trying to stur up conflict, drama or seeing how you react under pressure. This explains why some guys who “shouldnt” be able to get with hot women, do whereas rich men have to pay women (such as yourself) to get with them.
So again, sleeping with alot of women does nothing to enhance my own social status. Guys dont care beyond trying to get the same thing. Its fun for me.
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Poast bitches. It will autodelete in 2 hours
Actually not good. What if he sterilized a good chunk of their potential smart fraction?
It’s the equivalent of spray and pray. Unacceptable.
I would mostly pay the identified idiots to do it. Now that’s a better one. I’d also pay identified geniuses to breed like rats. And I mean, good money. Literally be a professional birther.
Realistically speaking there is “no inherent value of humanity”. A predator will eat you just like it will eat a rabbit. Nature will destroy you in one way or another. If humans had “inherent value” in the eyes of the Universe, we would not be so easily destroyed. We are less insignificant than dust to the Universe because dust makes stars and planets that last for millenia whereas a human is lucky to live a small insignificant speck in the history of the Universe.
Humans like to ascribe themselves value but are ultimately worthless. This “inherent value” is a meme intended to increase social stability but even our human elites do not think that – if they did, theyd make greater effort to take care of their flock. But they do not.
I don’t think you know what this means, but you’re right, even a lot of what feminism sincerely and openly wants men to do, is encouraging them to be psychologically stronger.
For example, while poorly articulated, the campaign against “mansplaining” is encouraging men to recognise their epistemological limits and to be more curious. This is good advice.
I’ve just manipulated you to post an outre photo of a supposed “conquest” so that I, a stranger, can affirm your masculine value. You are too funny!
People instinctively push others to develop. They do this in manifold ways. You have taken a thin slice of human interaction and made it the whole. I would strongly advise you to avoid entangling yourself with women who cause you to be constantly defensive. Your intuition is telling you to leave that situation. Listen to it.
If you must stay with them, try opening up about the way you feel hurt by their behaviour and see if they care. If they don’t care, have the courage to leave. Lying to yourself that you’re not actually hurt is just playing yourself, not them.
If you want to improve your “psychological strength”, start by admitting, to yourself, just how much you want my validation and what that means given that I am total stranger. Have the courage to build yourself on foundations of truth, and you will be far more resilient. Lying to me, or other people, is fine, often necessary, but lying to yourself is stupid.
I understand the narrative, but it is a simplistic fantasy of biology. If we are biological beings then whatever we do is biological, and most people don’t actually act as you describe, therefore what you describe is not biological. Reflect on this for a bit. It is important.
A fact easily explained without your long diversion, by the story of the Sabine women. When war was more frequent and more local, and humans operated in much smaller groups, sometimes the men of one group would all be killed in a battle and the women would be still be alive. The quasi-rape, prostitution, making lemonade from lemons, that would follow, adequately explains the genetic phenomena which you highlight. Life has always been messy, but, thankfully, we seem easily able to do better.
I am sorry you feel worthless.
LOL this reads like a cope. Women hate emotionality in men. It makes them scared.
I dont care for your validation, but I did prove a point.
You described the concept of “War brides” where women are able to rapidly adapt to a new man or the loss of an old one. Which manifests itself in the ability of women to get over men easier than men get over women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success
Actually whatever eugenics plan I agree with, I’m liking it ironically. Eugenics (at least the current goals) really means conforming biological selection to a capitalist viewpoint of social achievement once outside of genetic diseases (e.g. intelligence to work in productive industries and innovate, socialability).
I believe that this is hopium on your part, but we’ll find out.
In Hungary, the fertility rate has risen from 1.23 to 1.48, so that’s something.
Money seems to work. Basically it pays couples money to have more children, or extends tax benefits that increase per child born. Basically, instead of trying to push its way, it lowers barriers for people who already want to have a number of children. Indirectly, it might also promote the “breeder” population as well.
Such policies have been discussed in East Asia, I believe, but are opposed by women(usually with careers) who basically do not want other women to have more children; disguised partly in talk of their tax money going places they don’t benefit from, etc or it encouraging the poor to breed, but there’s clearly some sort of status thing going on there. Fortunately, at least for China, it is not a democracy and women have had a declining share of political power.
Its always easier to guide a thirsty horse to the through than it is to force a horse to drink.
No, you hate your emotionality. It makes you feel scared.
No wonder you feel worthless, you have decided that hating yourself is strength.
And no wonder you are seeking my validation, you can’t even validate your own feelings.
If you felt more worthy, you wouldn’t be comparing yourself to dirt on the ground, and you wouldn’t need to pretend to be unperturbed by small slights.
The only person who you’ve been playing is yourself.
It’s true that political activists are often some kind of financial scammers, in the sense they want people to finance their “work”, which for the rest of society might appear as a “useless, nonproductive labour” (labour that doesn’t create any objects or services of real value).
But a lot of the kind of people attracted to this online political activist profession, also are significantly nonfinancially motivated people: those who want to attract attention to themselves – that is, to generate what the writers on personality disorders call “narcissistic supply”.
With the internet, this has become even more prominent than it might have been among political activists of the past, and this emotional motive of the activists to generate attention for themselves, and the financial motive become conjoined, as the online content producing professional only receive financial support if that are able to generate sufficient clicks onto their content.
Political activists are usually not good looking enough to be an “influencer” who generates attention by posting photos of themselves in bikini in Instagram, so they can often only generate attention by promoting controversial or clickbait political content.
Whether the attention they receive is positive or negative, the financial and emotional necessity is to generate attention to their content, and often that can only be achieved by increasingly extreme and socially taboo (to another part of society) views.
This is one of the pathways by which the internet seems to be contributing to increasingly intensity of the stupidity that we see in the American political debate – by the predominance of clickbait content generators, that have a higher proportion of people with unusual immoderations in their personality, if not personality disorders. Because the motivation of the professional political activist and writer, is to generate attention from their audience, rather than to give their audience an objective or logically coherent commentary.
Hanania does, to some degree, punch down on rightoids for falling for grifters. He is temperamentally arrogant and narcissistic.
But take a look at his whole oeuvre. His actual policy recommendations sound like something out of a paleocon/white nationalist journal (crush teachers’ unions, defund universities, gut the Civil Rights Act). He’s on our side. If lefties actually though critically about what he says and does, they’d de-platform him instantly.
Let him build up cover for himself wherever he can so he can keep pushing Crimethink.
When Will China Rule the World? Maybe Never
Bloomberg 5 July
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-u-s-to-become-no-1-why-it-may-never-happen
(Some) game is effective for the goal of date raping skank hos. Also at signaling you are a loser.
I look at it as a win-win.
On the contrary I recognize my own emotions and deal with them as they come. However I do not show them to wonen bc women despise emotionality in men. If you had any experience with women, youd know that.
We’ve already established that you are not qualified to speak of women bc you did not poast bitches.
Its like in a Roman court where veterans will expose the scars on their chest to show they always faced the enemy and never ran. This gave their words more gravity as they proved their word through deed. You did not prove your word through deed whereas I did. Which means that you are not qualified to speak on the matter bc you dont get bitches.
Im not certain how far moneyhelps in raising fertility. In Russia, maternity capital has not had any significant effect in raising birth rates anongst young women.
In fact, giving money to promote “breeders” especially in Asian societies like China that had families with many kids – doesnt make sense – since it seems logical that only breeders would have outbred everyone in the first place (judging by sheer population size). This propensity for “breeding” has not gone away over the course of 2 or so generations. Evolution does not work that fast. This indicates to me that this is more of a “mental software” than “hardware” issue.
Money promoting “breeders” only works in societies with a relatively small population as there would exist a much larger percent of “non-breeders”. I do not think these exist in populous countries like China.
It’s not difficult to add the (small portion of) money you wanted to invest in stocks, to an index tracking fund, and forget about it for 10 years. Only idiots, masochists, or people who enjoy statistical noise, will follow the daily movements of such kind of investments.
10 years sounds like a long time, but life is either very short, or time is going very fast, because the 10 years will have transpassed in an instant. Very soon it will be 2031, and you will be saying to yourself “it feels like only a few hours ago that it was 2021”.
Of course, in that time, your youth will have run from you, and you will begin to find grey hairs – but in most of the possible futures likely you will have earned a little “free money” when you look at the envelope, and that will provide your older version of yourself with some sense of financial wisdom. (Although the freedom of the money will be somewhat of an illusion, due to the fact you did expose it to risk that resulted in losing money in some minority of other alternative futures that you will likely avoid having to live).
For most of your income though, better to spend it now and buy some cool stuff while you are still alive and healthy, and childish enough to enjoy such things.
According to the link there are 36 %.
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00652/clear-gender-gap-for-japan%E2%80%99s-doctors.html
Mostly concentrated in low pay areas.
And there are limits to the view “things must be the same everywhere”, or “people are identical”.
If you look at Asians living in the US, you will notice bigger gender pay gap than other groups, fewer asian women attending University, and higher level at stay at home mothers. Along with low divorce rates. So if asians in the US itself are less gender equal, i do not expect much coming from Japan.
Jews are less than 0,2% of the population, so Karlin is showing 15 times higher levels of Judaism than a normal sample .
If international guidelines for normal safe levels of Judaism in a person are 2000 ppm (parts per million), Karlin’s blood is measuring contamination rates as high as 30,000 ppm, at which point we might might begin to see the neurotoxic effects with symptoms like an interest in stock market and collecting multiple passports.
Didnt know Karlin is a Jew. If he is, that explains alot
On the contrary, they were more optimistic about China and some predicted higher growth rates and China overtaking the US by around 2025. Today, these early optimistic views were downgraded to around 2030.
On South Korea, or Japan, or Taiwan, i often thought about it, but what matters a lot is the system too. SK has americanised economic and political system. NK has another system, and although its the same people, the economic difference is huge. China has its own system. It is unclear if the chinese system will end up as productive as the SK one. Moreover, SK has turned into demographic black hole, with TFR dropping to the lowest in the world, around 0,9, which is going to bring down in the future the SK hard. So let’s hope that China does not follow SK, or its reign will be short lived.
Ok, i will be more than happy if this happens.
Yeah, but the US as a country vaccums more talent than almost all other countries. You get the bad states, you get the good states, and when you take them all together, all of this contruct – the US, takes more tallent than others. Thus it has higher innovation rate per capita than others.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/noosphere/
On this, i agree.
Ok, but be aware that no developed country in East Asia managed to increase birth rates. Let’s hope China makes it.
I personally tweeted on their Twitter account that the article is biased. For example it sees possible negative scenarios only for China, but not for the US. For example that economic crisis may happen in China, but not in the US. This is one sided, an economic crisis may happen in the US too, actually they regularly happen. They did not mention the issues with US debt, only the chinese one, or the issues with US birth rate drops, only the chinese ones.
I know quote a few countries also exclude testing from the mentally challenged.
Here in America, our great white women teachers have determined that is inequitable.
On the other hand, it’s probably more accurate to count how many mentally challenged and low-quality people actually exist within a country as a whole. Then again, maybe testing only O-Ring populations is the thing that matters.
A lot of past human progress was based on the domestication of animals. The nations with more species allied under their yoke were more advanced and came to dominate the others.
In this spirit, I propose a new scifi idea: What if we modified animals so that their vocalizations were not politically correct. So they could say the things that people were afraid to say. Just simple words, to defeat poz.
During WW2, there were plans to use bombers to deploy bats with incendiaries on them to roost under the eaves of Japanese buildings. In a similar vein, what if we dropped pigeons onto cities, that would outbreed their fellows? Pigeons that would coo “nigga!” War Against the Sparrows? Would PETA allow it? But, anyway, what about cows in India mooing “Nigga!”
10%, 20%, 36%. This is how it has moved over only a short period of time. It isn’t hard to extrapolate out from that. Japan is on exactly the same trend line as the US, just 20 years behind. You can give any explanation you want, but the trend line still trends, and there is no sign of it halting or reversing. I am not making any value judgements, I am just acknowledging reality.
Divorce rates are confused by socio-economic status, but, in other areas, those stats are just as US white ones were 20 years ago.
The direction of travel is extremely obvious.
It is also obvious that almost no woman is attracted to a political programme which sees them discriminated against at work. Would even you be able to exercise such discrimination in the face of mildly sustained female resistance? Would anyone on this site? Is the only reason they don’t beat their wives and girlfriends because those women obey their every whim, or because they are worried about the police? Would they bar their daughters and sisters from medical school, sternly admonishing them through their tears, that it was for the good of society? I doubt it. It is all just a bunch of pretense and a silly power fantasy, though broken, antisocial exceptions do exist.
Once they stop pretending, they will be able to see clearly why societies are trending in this direction. It isn’t because of media or some other facile placeholder, it is because people are adapting to the exigencies of life, as mediated by technological progress and the subsequent complexification of society. They may even see that this is a good thing, in as much as anything is good, because it is allowing people to answer their own questions. Good luck with standing on the shoreline and demanding that this tide won’t come in!
I think that there is political risk for the US and i mentioned that in the comments. I don’t know if it will happen. Sometimes it all looks calm, until someone gets killed, or some attrocity happens, and then all hell breaks loose. This is how internal conflicts often start.
Actually it looks like female doctors in Japan were capped to around 36 %, if you look at persons passing the medical practitioner exam.
https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00261/too-few-female-doctors-japan-ranks-last-among-oecd-nations.html
As for whether people in the US are the same, i’m not sure about that. Blacks for example have the most women per group graduating Uni in the US, more than whites, even though they have been living from a long time in the US.
I’v seen aptitude tests of blacks (ASVAB) from the 70s and from recent times too and they consistently have smaller gender gaps than whites.
Wow! Really excellent renditions of Chicago’s music. Pop music from the 1970’s was so great, thanks for this trip down memory lane. And Xenia, what a beautiful and talented singer. Her rendition of the Rolling Stones “I can’t get no satisfaction” was perhaps the best that I’ve ever heard. And her beautiful Slavic good looks…who can resist her charms?
Thank you!
The US elite have almost never been more united.
Imagine having it so easy as rulers that you can convince yourself that January 6th was an insurgency, and use it as a partisan tool for intra-elite squabbling.
The collapse of the USSR wasn’t preceded by them theatrically failing over every minor turbulence, it was preceded by them having to pretend that there was no turbulence, because there was nothing they could do about it.
History is weird and unpredictable, but, if it weren’t for the fact that 1.4 billion people in China finally stopped starving themselves to death, the US would be the undisputed global hegemon for the next few centuries. It is very far from a state of collapse, which is incredibly rare, even if there will be inevitable tough times, as there always are in human travails.
There was capping, but as soon as there was mild sustained resistance to the capping, that capping melted away.
We see this time and time again. Don’t get fooled by the progressives’ self-glorifying narrative of overcoming tremendous obstacles.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores
I did not mean to imply that it was living in the US that was important, but rather length of time engaging as individuals and families within modern, complex societies. This is not the only factor, so it does not perfectly predict every wrinkle in every group, but all groups are on the same trend line.
America has defaults set on “public squalor; private wealth” and “high risk; high reward”.
This can seem almost opposite to a country such as Denmark, which has “public wealth, private modesty” and “low risk, low reward. .
America’s defaults result contribute to the sense it is a very dysfunctional, dystopian, seeming land, for its ordinary and low income population – but for skilled labour, in profitable professions, America’s “high risk, high reward” setting can create a very attractive immigration package.
For people who are skilled in their profession, then the rewards can be highest in the US labour market, and the marginal taxes won’t remove most of your income in the higher tax bands either.
If you wanted a more normal seeming, developed country, that approximates what a developed country should look like, then you would try to go to somewhere like Denmark. But for people who are in profitable skilled professions (which have the most emigration opportunities), then the risk/reward balance is quite favouring to work in the USA, despite all the horror and dystopia the country’s lack of public investment creates for the ordinary citizen.
Elon Musk is an example of an immigrant who was rewarded by, and also seems to have psychologically internalized, America’s unusual settings. For example, Tesla has refused to develop an electric autobus, because Elon Musk has said that he dislikes public transport, autobuses and train (in America, public buses can be viewed as “for losers”, and this conveniently matches the society’s disinclination to invest a higher proportion of its wealth in publicly accessible goods).
A winning combination then is public wealth, private prosperity; high risk, high reward
No, the Kiana-like designs are intentional homages: there’s shared talent between Punishing Gray Raven and Honkai, etc.
They only mentioned “several” medical schools doing this. There are 79 medical schools in Japan. Increasing the percentage by 10 percent in several schools does not change much.
If you look at China’s female labour force participation rate it actually dropped in recent years, after being pretty high in the past, so in this life there is no guarantee for anything, unless its death and taxes.
When it happens, then we can talk about it.
Well, apparently blacks and whites in the US are not on the same trend line as gender gap in aptitude tests persists for whites, but not for blacks.
As they leave the sweatshops!
China is so big that it is in multiple stages of economic development at the same time.
The vast majority of woman worked all throughout history, as they had to, their families were not rich. What’s new is women rising in the professions, but they have always toiled. This is happening in China too. If anything, outside of politics, it seems to be sped up there, perhaps because of the one child policy.
The gap is tiny and the gap between the gaps is tiny. Neither of these change the fact that individual women become more economically independent as economic growth progresses.
We are all much more a product of our times than we are our race. That doesn’t preclude genetic differences, but it is pretty obvious when you think about it.
Yet removing those hidden, informal barriers was like pushing on an open door, and the female proportion of doctors has risen more than 3 times over in a lifetime. You’re right that neither of us can guarantee the future, but I’d place my politics is line with those heavy trends if I wanted them to be successful.
Following up on the coverage of what Putin said about Russia-Ukraine:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/07/18/getting-putin-intentions-wrong-again-on-russia-ukraine/
Russia will soon unveil its own version of the JSF at MAKS21.
https://theaviationist.com/2021/07/15/russia-checkmate/
Always happy to see a new advanced fighter.A relatively rare treat in the post cold war world
(As opposed to static displays and artists impressions which are a dime a dozen)
Look, look, look, women in the workplace is merely a symptom of the fact that people now need two wages to pay for a family – which is unacceptable. It forces the woman between either working and never reproducing, or reproducing and overloading herself by having both to work, and take care of the kids, and she can never do it herself, so the father jumps in too, so he also gets more stress. Granted, after pregnancy a woman can work again, the father can take care of the kid too, but there’s some things he just can’t do (remember: kids need to be nursed optimally to age 2!!!).
It’s not a question of women should be allowed to work, it’s a question of why do women have to work, at least in the manner of today. It literally interferes with the child’s health.
Your posts often include brilliant insights, but these ideas you often share are ridiculous.
Most of America is not San Francisco.
“Horror” and “dystopia” maybe describe 10% of America’s people, living in certain ghettos or rural trailer parks.
Almost every American can afford a comfortable automobile, so America does not have good public transportation. OTOH, national parks are spectacular and usually well maintained, and the highway system is usually rather good also.
America’s rural areas and suburbs may be somewhat boring but they are hardly horrible or dystopian.
Are you autistic, or rather sociopathic?
It depends on whether you were truthful about your claims about your personal life. If you weren’t, then your obvious cluelessness about women suggests autism. You would do well to learn from your interlocutor.
If you were truthful, then sociopathy comes into play.
But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn 🙂
No one says that that the number of women in various professions did not increase, but i disagree with the view that everything will be the same in all countries, or between all groups.
Turn arounds happen in modern times too, as the chinese example with dropping female labor force participation shows, or the examples i have seen in Russia, where the number of female engineers declined significantly compared to Soviet times, with continued downward trend at that. I also saw other sources where the number of women is STEM in Russia started declining again.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Decline-of-Women-in-Russian-Engineering-Barabanova-Sanger/59a1a8321c6cfe414cf222074e79e00b7b43de4a
And there is no guarantee that the number of women working, or being in certain profession, will not drop again, as the chinese or russian examples show.
Can you imagine yourself boasting about the rise of russian female engineers in the 80s only to be shocked by the turn around 20 years later? Think about it.
It’s pretty clear it’s just a mockup in the newest video released. I guess that’s to be expected but considering the marketing I felt like there was a chance they had put together a flying prototype.
I am not boasting of anything. I am just saying that greater economic development leads to greater economic independence for women.
This manifests in women being able to get more professional jobs and the delegitimisation of “traditionalist” political programmes when it comes to gender.
Any politics that stands against this current, dooms itself to ever increasing marginalisation, because not even the most tradded up online teen wants to actually enforce the laws which would be required.
How much better would immigration restriction have sold if it had been seen, for the last few decades, as inimical to women’s comfort in the workplace? Rather than as the politics of people who think that the only place for women is locked up at home?
Will AK’s breeders be more sexually dimorphic, or less so?
I would lean towards less so. Some say Amish women have plainer faces, which makes me think that they are less dimorphic. Africans tend to have high TFR and are less dimorphic.
Wonder if we can estimate dimorphism over epochs by using ancient DNA.
Are they really less dimorphic? Their bodies look otherwise to me.
I don’t know how you measure this stuff, as there are so many factors, but my perceptions differ from yours.
I’d guess that AK’s breeders would be more feminine on both sides. Now that parenthood is a choice, it seems likely that both mothers and fathers will towards traditionally feminine traits. Whether that reflects in their looks or not, is such a big and interesting topic.
Demanding TFR=2 from women is unfair. In female only society TFR=1 is enough.
That is most unfortunate.
I thought it would be a proper prototype with commonality with the PAK FA in terms of Type 30 engine and a scaled down AESA radar.
If this is one of those 1990s type show everyone a mock up and hope someone finances the development type of ‘unveiling’ it is a dead on arrival.
This sort of reminded me of a stealth fighter concept of Yakolev in the late 1990s with elements of the Mig LFI concept also from that era.
And i’m saying that the situation with female labour force or female representation in certain profession depends on country.
For example, if you are living in China, you will notice fewer women working compared to the past, contrary to your assumptions, while if you live in Russia, you will notice big drop of women in the engineering profession, compared to the past. Or that fewer women are working, compared to the Soviet past.
So things are not so simple and the system depends on where you live.
I would add one last point that greater racial diversity can also drag down growth through voting behavior. Latinos especially like universal healthcare, which is estimated to cost $3 trillion per year. That’s a lot of new taxes that will stunt the economy. And of equal or greater importance to more Latinos to passing universal healthcare is the decline of white Christians. There are still considerable white Christian voters but the group is fast declining in number. Their shrinking numbers along with new Latino voters will pave the way for universal healthcare and a further factor in stagnation of GDP per capita by 2050.
I disagree with you on many things, but most of it boring and repetitive. I think the most interesting thing is your idea that you support progressive aims, but do not think that they need to demonstrate the malaise of progress measures.
That seems really fantastical to me. The notion, for example, that women basically wanted these programs for economic independence and thus it would be possible to campaign against immigration by recruiting a female workforce as political supporters misses that originally, feminism had what would be seen as a conservative push for the “family wage” which as seen as having a large enough wage for the male breadwinners to support their families, with the women supporting it being mostly wives. So it was a pro-female force, but not necessarily in the way you would envision it.
And of course, we know what happened to that, with female employment later sold as “empowerment” and “independence”, both memes which you seem to have bought into yourself. That’s fine, they may even be true: but what’s important is to note that is that there’s a convergent evolution toward the same kind of measures whenever generally progressive aims such as equity get sought for. Well, mostly it ends up in whatever creates more money, which is what can feed more politics, which then goes and advertises itself effectively.
Ultimately, the same will be true of any effort that tries to suggest that its important to defend female work rights from immigrants, because in any generally progressive society, willingness to absorb immigration is likely to produce wealth for companies who can then externalize their costs to society, much like an employed female workforce produces profits that has costs which are externalized against society. What “women want” is only mildly relevant to this, since its unlikely that women will be an unified bloc against immigration.
Again, convergent evolution. Its a strange and amusing thing that, for example, even wildly different evolutionary paths end up on using the same strategies: birds have intelligence and come from dinosaurs, yet the most intelligent birds have a neocortex just like primates and humans. Plants and animals are even further apart, but both have settled upon glutathione as a signaling component.
I don’t think you can divorce progressive aims from progressive strategies, problems, and other errata. Besides according for various cultural and biological forces, you’ll basically get the same things everywhere.
Why are you even on this site and reading Karlin.
I would tag your comments as Troll but I dont post here enough. I literally logged in just to post cuz I got triggered.
Its gonna be used to spy on rightoids
If you’re cheering for things like “conservative” Fox News(LOL) and Freedom phones then you as a “rightist” or whatever it means already lost.
As Iofiel noted, and I was impying to Laxa in a previous conversation, Russia is indeed an excellent example of a modern country that wildly changed their notion of female employment, and accordingly status, though of course, she’s the typical whiny feminist:
https://slate.com/human-interest/2010/07/real-housewives-of-moscow.html
Notably it hasn’t really increased TFR. But at least life is more pleasant.
And yes, China has had a steady and positive decline in female participation in politics:
https://qz.com/1107385/china-female-politician-a-lone-female-sun-chunlan-sits-at-the-top-of-chinas-communist-party/
And of course, they tend to drop out or cease “career-gaining” effectively after motherhood, which I think Xi is increasingly expecting, so while it can sometimes pad a steady number of female Party members, they are kept where they’re probably most useful at a local level.
Its hard to say, honestly. I think it’ll depend on the environment.
If it is indeed basically a safe and essentially noncompetitive environment, then Laxa’s notion of both parents leaning toward caregiving and feminine traits is likely. There’s less reason for the “complementary unit” or maybe not for masculine traits, so reduced dimorphism is entirely logical.
If it is not so, and competitiveness is emphasized, then you would probably have more dimorphic breeders, since much more effort must be mainlined toward both masculine traits for competitiveness and violence, and feminine traits toward caregiving. This is also added onto since in such a society, usually female dependency is increased and thus sexual selection is stronger with a lower male percentage of population(from violent deaths).
Africans are actually pretty dimorphic despite having a lot of female independence in some areas: even with a lot of female economic independence is a norm, males compete heavily with polygyny being common. Since the male is not needed to nor is expected to assist with childcare, they are selected for their sexual traits.
Well, I haven’t looked into the lit. But I would say so, going by facial pics, when you ignore their dress and the fact that their women have gone through more pregnancies/their men are more active. Might be due to founder effect, though.
Rarely, I have seen women with very plain faces that I thought had beautiful bodies, so based on that, I would suppose that that there is a potential for divergence based on face or body. Though I assume a general linkage between most traits, including mental.
You bring up a good point, that the sexes can move independently of each other. Though I believe it has always been towards a mean and never away, at least based on skeletons and long time scales.
A couple of links with another perspective on AK’s idea that CRT is a form of white supremacy:
https://unherd.com/thepost/why-elite-parents-are-supporting-critical-race-theory/
The above article references this longer blog post which is quite interesting:
https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2021/07/09/send-them-back-your-fierce-defiance-stamp-upon-the-cursed-alliance/
Intelligent birds have converged with primates in intelligence but the mechanism is different, they do not have a neocortex like mammals do. In birds, the reptilian dorsal ventricular ridge evolved in complexity to function like the mammalian neocortex.
It may be more efficient than the mammalian neocortex, but perhaps it has a ceiling.
Could there be some connection to testosterone levels and success as a breeder? If T levels are too low in men they have trouble having children and if they are too low in women they may fear the risks and burdens involved with having children.
I wonder whether work from home might influence things, assuming no collapse.
CRT and wokeness are an elite instrument by liberal capitalists to divide and control the lower classes. A nice description of this process by this Indian Marxist:
https://alexeiarora.substack.com/p/why-do-american-elites-love-wokeness
This sounds as an accurate insight though AP objects and makes good argument which is seemingly against it. Can both be true?
Well, close enough. Almost identical in function and very similar in construction:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bird-brains-are-far-more-humanlike-than-once-thought/
I had similar thoughts on its efficiency, it seems to have better thoroughput, but it doesn’t seem to suggest that it has quite the same type of “holographic integration” of primate brains, so you can get birds that learn in half a brain, rather than I suppose have the brain “show itself” the other half of what it is seeing, and then create whole brain learning.
They don’t at present but this kind of thing will probably be something to look out for in white Western populations some decades, maybe two, maybe three or four, down the line. Feminism seems to be one of those movements whose success will end up undermining its moral standing and the moral influence it can exert on men. It also looks like it may end up connected with appreciable decline, in numbers and in power, of the population groups that originally gave rise to it.
I think for the short term at least women will continue to rise in power among Western Europeans, then this will go too far, the memory of serious patriarchy will be too far in the past, and some counter movement, elements of which can be seen in a raw early form in things like the Red Pill and Black Pill, will emerge.
This may or may not, depending on the state of the West by that point, influence how women in other parts of the world make use of their growing economic freedom.
Probably the most likely scenario for reversal is a major military defeat versus an unwoke nation. Women and other such individuals traditionally seen as weakening military efforts tend to get blamed, fairly or not.
Good chance of that happening since liberal societies do often tend to get weaker in quality/efficiency, and general coherence & cooperation. Their greater economic prowess doesn’t always translate into effective deployment: I’ve actually seen and executed against this myself.
Everyone loves the strong horse, etc.
I have just driven San Francisco – Denver. The devastation of opiate abuse and homelessness is evident the entire distance when you recognize it although San Francisco definitely has a near monopoly on junkies shooting up on the sidewalk in the middle of the day.
I agree with the article with regards to art. However, its bullshit with regards to technological innovation and business entrepreneurship.
It’s just neurotic Internationalism that afflict Jews in large numbers and other ethnicies to a smaller extent (such as Karlin)
Do you get what I mean? Shirakami Fubuki was a big hit in China too, partly because of the white hair (until Hololive was discredited because of the whole Taiwan faux pas)
It might be better for raising children because you stay at home instead of commuting and you can have childcare in your daily schedule.
It’s really a question of how much work women should do, and how much work they want to do. My impression (based purely on anecdotal evidence) is that most women want to work but that most would prefer to work shorter hours than they’re working at the moment.
So the real problem is women being pressured (by both social and economic pressure) to work full-time when they’d prefer not to, and if they do work part-time being pressured to work longer hours than they really want to.
And the pressure to work longer hours seems to be increasing.
Of course it’s also possible that quite a few men would prefer to work shorter hours!
Both can be true when one considers that America caters to the “winners” while ignoring the “losers.” Because America depends on the will of voters, most people can be classified as “winners” and are catered to, while marginals at the bottom are ignored. Note that “white privilege” ideology primarily serves the purpose of reducing sympathy for poor whites by middle and upper class whites, as the middle class and above expands through Asian immigration and the poorest of the whites are pushed down to that bottom 10% (or 20%).
So public goods that winners use, such as national parks throughout the country, the highway system, beaches, the Smithsonian museums, etc. are great. Local and state parks are wonderful also. Public schools aren’t bad either, when looking at PISA by race Americans of European and Asian descent are well above averages for European and Asian countries. But they vary by school district, and quality depends on the type of people living in the district.
Since most Americans own automobiles*, only the poorest “losers” must use public transportation. Accordingly, it is terrible in most places.
In New York, the subways are awful. But the trains that take non-poor people to the suburbs are nice; Grant Central Station is beautiful.
Dmitry came to the USA and lived like a “loser”, taking public buses everywhere IIRC. My guests were always in my car and they were impressed by the extensive highways kept in usually great condition, even in deep rural or wilderness areas. Same for public beaches and parks (both national and local) with well maintained trails, nature centers, etc.
I am not defending the system that essentially just lets the bottom 10% rot (okay, come to think of it, could be as many as 20%). Adding even more poor people to the rat race down there is cruel. But the idea that in America only the rich live well, or that only private stuff is nice and most public things are squalid, is false.
The flood rescuers in Germany have a hard job. But if it’s any consolation, at least they are not being punched in the face by their rescue victims (I assume). During Hurricane Katrina, US Coast Guard rescuers were sometimes punched in the face by the people they were helping.
It was actually just Kiryu Coco (Who is quitting now for a backstage role) and Akai Haato (in hiatus atm) who were “offensive” (and what Kiryu Coco did was only opening up the Google Analytics page for her channel which showed Taiwan separately from China)
This is why I never regard Vtubers highly – their minutes of fame are built on quicksand and their fanbases are practically cesspools that easily flare up whenever some perceived wrong is committed. A lot of energy that is channelled in wokeness in the West, is in Vtuber cults.
I’d also add that the upper classes are no longer empathically communicating with less fortunate folk. And the latter in increasingly greater numbers do not see an opportunity for themselves and resort to impulsive, psychopathic crime. They greatly outnumber the more fortunate and are in fact a great threat.
Tell us more about what you saw between San Francisco and Denver, in the small towns and countryside, the real stuff that is often hidden away from the casual observer…
gas prices:
bay area: 4.50/gal
McCarron NV 3.50/gal
Elko NV 4.00/gal
Rock City WY 4.00/gal
Fort Collins CO 3.50/gal
The Anericans on the road include a bunch of fatties. There are a preponderance of 18 wheel rigs on the freeway. I counted them going the other way (out of a hundred) two times: 1 @ 32/100 and 1 at 39/100. There is no evidence of new military construction any where except west of Salt Lake City. I was expecting to see more of this than I saw. Every sizable city has at least one poor guy begging with a sign. But the most depressing thing was in the hotel breakfast room and the fat people at the next table eating and animatedly discussing their plan for lunch.
Several of the rigs I saw were UPS and FedEx towing 3 trailers!
There were no exotic aircraft flying around the experimental testing range that John Leer told Art Bell about. My hasty conclusion is he was making that shit up.
Wokeism is an ideology mostly pushed by the cultural establishment, which as a rule is replaced after losing a war, whether due to internal factors (e.g. WWI Germany & Russia) or imposition by the occupier (e.g. WWII Germany & Japan).
In the US’s case (assuming the military leadership is inept enough, which I don’t think they are yet), it will be a break-up and then assertion of local, more conservative cultural interests.
(can you see how diverse my interests and viewpoints are when you look at my Vtuber reply, then this?)
I can tell you are a man of culture as well.
If he follows you, I doubt he’ll mention it
Overall, I think these are good points. US culture is able to appeal to much of the world, both because it’s already a simpler and more syncretic sort of culture, and because most of the world already at least somewhat relates to European-descended culture because it was colonized by Europe, and therefore European culture has been high-status for a long time.
I continue to be of the view that quality of life will deteriorate pretty continuously in the US, but I don’t think the US state is going to implode (there are too many powerful interests that enjoy seeing it hold together and too few interested in implosion), and I think immigrants will be mostly incorporated into the US economy. Though I do envision a scenario where this fact allows budgets for the US military to continue to expand, even as morale and other factors decline interminably.
In the long run, the world will be inherited by the breeders, and that change will transform societies the world over. But 21st-century China vs. US is ultimately just a competition between decadent low-TFR empires — Byzantium vs. Persia, if you will. Neither one can truly dominate the other, unless it can break out of that mold (or its adversary collapses).
That post sparked some interest. There’s this from a 2005 Australian study
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This has become fashionable; people have figured out that it’s an effective way to make money because naive well-meaning people will provide money. So now almost every busy intersection has a sign holder, even in wealthy areas. Some sign holders own automobiles; mostly though they are addicts, it’s a free way to get high, and not as bad as stealing.
In New York, the wealthy upper classes use the subway and the subway is awful. Quite hilariously awful, actually. It’s funny that all these attractive, refined, wealthy people have to daily use such an awful, decrepit rat infested system, while in many third world countries the subways are fantastic.
It’s incorrect that the wealthy merely commute from the suburbs to the city. Seriously incorrect. Obviously many extremely wealthy people live in the city, and even those who commute from the suburbs use the subway extensively.
That being said, Dmitry is crazy when he says the “average” person lives “horribly”, the suburbs are supremely beautiful if soulless, but more money can be spent on public services.
The real danger:
If you look at the pettiness of Western liberals and the tribalism of their imported allies/thugs, there might the core threat that a limited engagement gets blown up into a full scale war (including potential nuclear exchange) because of pettiness/lack of impulse-control.
For years we have seen road-rage incidents in Syria where a convoy of Russian Tigr/BTR-82 got into a scuffle with US MRAPs.
What happens if West Point-grad Lt. Shaniqua/Cpt Jenny (formerly Jimmy) orders open fire. This would force the local Russian commander / Russian goverment to do something. Like a hitting a rebel camp next door to the US outpost.
What then? F-35 v Su-57 the next day over Nowherestan? Two weeks later ICBM starting to leave the silos?
Nuclear armageddon because aa-candidate Shaniqua loses her temper.
I agree with what you’ve said but I don’t think it’s necessarily going to be an American aa-candidate losing his/her temper (although it could be). It may well be a white Woke True Believer American officer, who really genuinely believes that the Russians (and the Chinese) are evil fascists.
Poor impulse control combined with political zeal is now a characteristic of everyone in the West.
The one thing that is certain is that when WW3 starts it will be the Americans who start it. During the Cold War I thought the chances of WW3 starting were very very low. Today I think the chances are quite high.
I don’t know if it should be properly called poor impulse control; its more a kind of decentralization issue where the USG has departments that do not communicate with each other and are increasingly willing to garble instructions.
Its likely that USG will make a provocative move someday which gets retaliated against, and thus then uses that as the casus belli. Alternatively, and possibly more likely, it can use that as the casus belli, but the decay would be so advanced then that some plausible excuse is found to avoid escalation and concessions are made, so that an actual military defeat(a total disaster) can be avoided, while concessions,etc can be seen as diplomatic.
Old trees rot from within, eaten out by beetles and weakened by disease; they crack and rot alive slowly before they tumble.
Here in Phoenix (5th largest metropolitan area in the US), we have established a relatively new light rail system that is growing all of the time. It’s currently about 26 miles long and growing all of the time. I once took it out of curiosity to the downtown area to see a basketball game on a Friday night. The ride was fine and offers a good scenic and inexpensive way to get around. The trouble is that the Phoenix area is much larger that a 26 mile area, and it’s very expensive and messy to build more track.
Were the “fatties” operating all of the rigs too? One panhandler per town is nothing…I’m sure that I’ll run into 3-4 on the way to work today. No secret meth labs in the woods behind the trees? 🙂
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“Behind the Gardens, Behind the Wall, Under the Trees”
Part of the problem with the NY subway is that it’s over 100 years old, so it’s bound to get decrepit.
By contrast, Bangkok’s system was built by a German company about 15 years ago, so you can imagine it will be in much better shape.
I think it’s called “legacy infrastructure” or something, when the richer and more advanced country can have inferior infrastructure because they developed earlier and their stock is so old.
Still, though, London has an equally old subway and theirs is much nicer than NY, so it’s clearly something about our priorities.
That being said, the NY subway has many things going for it – it’s $2.75 per ride, no matter how far you wish to go. By contrast, going a short distance in London can set you back $15 – I was shocked at how expensive the London subway was even for short distances. In addition, the NY subway is open 24 hours and you can get literally everywhere on it with ease.
I’m sure Phoenix has a very nice system that passes through some lovely desert scenery. Would love to take it sometime. Taipei has a lovely subway system that passes along these beautiful jungle clad mountain slopes that was very nice.
As for it being expensive to extend the Phoenix system, American cities built for automobiles are more sprawling, so it will be less cost effective to build a subway. Still I can’t help but feel if the desire was there the money would be found. I think it will eventually happen.
OK you and AP have good points. I saw no Vandals or Goths or buildings falling down. All the stoplights were functioning. There were many road construction crews and men at work orange signs.
We have always had end of the world cult debates in every time since the Renaissance and I suppose the thing to do is carry on and plan on the current dramas passing without the big one. For that matter does anybody even really care if China pulls ahead in some column on an econometric table?
Lol, China and the US are only “adversaries” on paper and so that fools like dfordoom get a chance to play the classic Anglo-Saxon game of rooting for the Other while despising your own culture, that Orwell noted in the 30s.
Chinese and American elites are working towards symbiosis, and towards importing Chinese levels of surveillance, control, and capitalism.
It’s scientific, and more efficient.
Unfortunately, the next stage in human development is away from the “control” model and towards reunification with nature 🙂
I basically agree with you, however, try to fashion my spiritual life as if “the big one” is just around the corner. As you get older, and more and more of your friends and family depart this world, you’ll begin to realize that the “big one” really is around the corner…it’s all a matter of perspective!
True. But there is among modern Woke/PC liberals a very worrying degree of fanaticism. And there’s that perennial tendency of Americans to view foreign policy in terms of moral crusades.
Again I agree, but one thing that 1914 taught us is that it’s very difficult to de-escalate. And in 1914 there wasn’t the problem of political fanaticism. The statesmen of 1914 were rash and foolish but they weren’t crazed moral crusaders. As the war progressed it became something of a moral crusade but the statesmen who blundered into the war were not moral crusaders.
Wouldn’t you need extremely low T to be infertile as a man?
No, iirc low test, as in liable to cause erectile dysfunction happens at >350 or so, and the average male level is dropping worrying close to it.
https://www.healio.com/~/media/images/news/print/endocrine-today/2007/02_february/testosterone_344_273_23983.gif?
https://www.healio.com/news/endocrinology/20120325/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed
As it indicates that it is not due to health reasons, I highly suspect the overall social environment has much to do with it.
SJW fanatics haven’t kept the US in Afghanistan, no matter how many aspiring “female doctor” gets whipped back into place. Its more of a religious justification for the military complex which allows is to extract wealth from the larger economy.
Its entirely possible that runaway escalation can take place, but I think a lot of credit should be given to the power of vested interests, including the so-called “moral crusaders” who largely are probably trying to find a way to monetize or boost their status. I suppose its entirely possible that they end up externalizing their costs of war to the entire nation.
This is a complex topic, so I might get a bit lost. I am mostly just going to summarise what I thought I understood that was important in your comment and not answer those points yet; better for me to clarify first.
One question you seem to be asking me is, if workplace equality and female economic independence were close to irresistible, why would mass immigration not be the same?
You also seem to add in a suggestion that the underlying motivations for workplace equality might have been equally well-served by a “family wage” provision.
Also, you seem to imply that “accept one part of progressivism, accept all.” I appreciate your points about convergent evolution, but I still think it boils down to this perhaps reductionist statement.
Finally, I’m confused on your distinction between “progressive aims” and “progressive methods.” I can’t work out exactly what you mean by each term. I would say political aims, if people are honest, unideological and not trying to argue for advantage, are always some reasonable effort towards more freedom, more tolerance, more security and more space for people to develop. Maybe you think these are “progressive aims” not human ones?
I’d say “progressive methods” are the myriad policies by which they seek to achieve these “aims”. Some have been effective, and some have been completely counter-productive, but humans will never perfectly align their methods to their aims. Most can barely remember what their aims are, often getting wedded to their methods instead. What are your aims for politics?
I don’t watch Vtubers.
Thank you, that probably answers my point, though I suspect that “social environment” is a standin, in this case, for “obesity” and “zero exercise.”
Does fertility associated with low T get fixed by T supplementation? Or are they merely correlates downstream of other health issues?
Also, why is T such an obnoxious word to spell?
No, the article mentioned explicitly that it is not fully accounted for by obesity. Exercise isn’t indicated, but I would assume is correlated with obesity. IMO feminism is the cause, and possibly just lower violence as a whole.
Fertility is never fixed by T supplementation; it is worsened by it due to extraneous testosterone breaking signaling mechanisms in the body.
For the “road-rage incidents” I would blame yahoos on both sides. Or you could just say that boys will be boys even when they are girls. Your reasoning could be inverted and argued that some repressed frustrated homo in Russian uniform because he is unable to express his true identity may open fire first.
“Poor impulse control combined with political zeal is now a characteristic of everyone in the West.” – Does it include you or you have made aliyah to China already?
This doesn’t preclude globalist interests playing with both camps to weaken national power, which is basically WWII (tho already present in the Napoleonic Wars)
Ok, that complicates it a bit, but doesn’t it still mean that we can’t say that lowered T would cause infertility? This only matters for my original point, which was that AK’s breeders would be all round more feminine. Assuming being more feminine and loving and wanting lots of children are seen as closely related.
If the nail is feminism, what is the hammer called?
Should Russia ban saunas because of their negative effect on sperm production?
This should be brought up to the low-T vor v zakone.
What caused the obesity epidemic?
In my opinion, I’m convinced it’s origins lie in American culture.
The American attitude to food is very peculiar, and has two unique strands, puritanism and scientism.
To take scientism first, in America we do not trust our bodies to tell us what to eat and how much to eat. No, only science can tell us what and how much to eat.
This is part of the much larger and general “war on nature” in America. In our attitude to food, our natural appetites are “bad” and only by “self-discipline” can you stay thin and healthy. You must control your natural appetites.
Evidently, “self-discipline” in America has failed abjectly.
How different is the Japanese, or the French attitude to food!
There, the focus is on pleasure, and not fighting ones nature. Instead of discipline, one works with the natural appetites.
And everyone is thin – miraculously!
Another aspect of American culture that leads to obesity is the attitude of constant competition and the anxiety it breeds.
It has been said that obese people are subconsciously trying to clad themselves in “armor” against a hostile world. I find this quite plausible.
What seems obvious, is that obesity is am attempt to “fill a hole”. The American way of life is to be disconnected from nature and the larger world of Being, which quite naturally creates a feeling of existential emptiness. One of the easiest ways to fill this whole is through food. Food offers “security” and “comfort”.
The elites are less affected than the lower classes because they can fill their existential hole by acquiring ever more wealth – the poor become physically bigger, the only thing they can do, the rich become “bigger” through more money.
One thing is for sure – this is a “holistic” problem that can only be fixed by a total transformation of American culture, because each piece is connected to everything else. The days when the naive faith was still possible to us that you can “fix” one element of a complex system and completely “control” it, without regard to how it connects to the whole, are over.
If you believe that after widespread fraud in 2020 presidential elections, I have a bridge to sell you.
Relevant joke: after learning that his in-laws voted for Biden, the guy was so annoyed that he stopped visiting their graves.
Increases in individual autonomy and reduction of unchosen obligations are basically progressive aims, so yes. My opinion is a continual inclination for that eventually will bring about all of the other burdens of progressivism, once you’ve made the individual a paramount unit and individual choice a paramount morality. It is useful to see this less as individual polities but more as a trend, a fluid downflow as in a river by embracing that trend of individualism, which inevitably passes all of the crossings of anomie, creating variations of self-identification, promotion of selfishness and pride as virtues, and ever profitting from selling to ego while externalizing costs and harms to society as a whole.
This isn’t even that strange, its basically just a variation of tragedy of the commons: externalizing costs to the common source, while trying to maximize the self. Progressivism just makes this into a moral, positive good as well.
Anomie.
All I have ever wanted to see is beauty.
This world ain’t doing it.
Because I used hyperbolic words “dystopian” and “horror” in a childish way, and this has justifiably caused AP and AaronB to contemplate about absolute instead of relative comparisons. But for discussing a country’s voluntary choices or prioritization, then we should try to account for income levels – i.e. compare America to countries of similar income levels.
In absolute terms, the working class people in the USA of course must likely have a better overall standard of living according to most indicators, than working class people in middle income countries (Russia/Ukraine/Belarus, Mexico, Brazil, China, etc), let alone than in low income countries (India, Africa, etc).
But America is one of the highest income countries anywhere in the world, and the countries with comparable income level to the USA are “hyper-developed” countries like Norway, Netherlands, Denmark, Singapore, Switzerland, Sweden.
So, relative to the working people of Norway, Netherlands, and Denmark, to describe American life using words of “dystopian” and “horror” might still sound hyperbolic, but a bit less so.
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In his response to my comment, AP also focuses on the national parks of the United States, which is an example where late 19th and 20th century America really prioritized investment in a public space, and was an inheritance of romanticism about the landscape which had been a passion of American culture and national identity in the country’s adolescent years in the 19th century.
But for tourists or outside observer, seeing how much was publicly invested in the national parks, can highlight to them how unusual this decision is for most other areas in America by comparison to other comparably wealthy countries.
It could make the visitor think about the wealthy pinchfist, who after a successful business career, converts into uncompromizing extravagance when spending on some passions that remind him of his childhood (perhaps like building a beautiful model trainway in his garden).
My theory of the death of formerly useful political identities is that they die once they become a prison in which their constituent demographic ends up trapped.
This leads to the demographic supporting things which betray their deeper interests and the whole identity is ripped up and forgotten about in short order after that. It then gets replaced by something more suitable, though demographics may get jumbled up.
Western feminism is touching on many of those contradictions now. The trans measuring of womanhood as how many traditionally feminine interests and qualities you possess, is one such trap.
The counting of female CEOs is another, as it is an extremely limiting view of what constitutes human happiness, and tying women to it, is to tie women with chains. No woman, or person even, wants to be seen as a failure, in her core identity, because she isn’t a corporate drone killing herself to get to the C Suite.
Women also don’t only care about themselves, so feminism has been far from always dominant, but the more feminism goes past looking to achieve greater security, freedom and tolerance for individual women, the more it will likely be counterproductive to those aims, and the shorter its time in the world will be.
What is a feminism which makes women feel diminished?
Dfordoom’s obsequiousness to China and excoriation of Britain and the Anglosphere in general is a classic example of the British elites “leapfrogging” loyalties Orwell noted in the 30s.
His whole persona, of being eminently “sensible” and “down to earth”, while actually being deeply ideological, is cut from the same cloth.
If you’ve had any experience interacting with British people you will be able to spot the “type” immediately 🙂
It’s extremely, extremely, British. It’s actually kinda charming once you get used to it 🙂
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Think of feminism as putting all women in a common state-backed harem.
Of course, this assumes that there is always ownership over women & politics merely the transfer.
Of course, being a white woman you’ll scream this isn’t true as you’re looking for a strong owner||
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The primary “fraud” of the election was near-total media control by the Democratic-Corporate alliance, that enabled the manufacture of hatred toward Trump sufficient for Biden to win the vote. Will can and was created, but it still operated.
That is a good point.
Still, if the point is to converge the American standard to the Chinese, it may make sense as part of a global agenda to promote Chinese nationalism (convince the exploited Chinese masses their situation is ideal), while lessening the self confidence and sense of entitlement to a high standard of living of the American worker.
So different strategies would be appropriate for different global sectors.
So a war between China and the US I can’t see happening. But the threat of a war may well be used to import Chinese methods to the US.
Don’t all “liberation” movements end up becoming oppressive?
It’s classic.
The Left today is becoming just like the fascist Right it fought years before. That is how the Left will meet its demise – and none too soon.
You become what you fight.
The problem is – “you can’t use the masters tools to dismantle the masters house”.
If you use force to fight force, you will end up resembling the force you fought.
A new “frame” from which to see these things must be developed.
Suns lose tonight? Are the Coyotes eventually moving?
There is no relation between ‘greater economic development’ and breakdown of traditional gender roles.
One does not preclude the other. It just so happens that with greater economic development you also get more propaganda to get women into the workforce (in capitalism – to increase the labor pool and reduce wages; in communism – to garner maximal public support).
So again, it has everything to do with propaganda.
And as we both know – you don’t get women, so you don’t know their nature and how easily manipulated they can be.
Which is why these politics must not be blatant. And why I said it needs to be in the form of media.
Feminism used to be an entirely marginal position – and women in the 50’s in America would rightfully ask, “Why would I want to go and work and lose the great deal I currently have?”, but then there was a concerted effort of the CIA together with corporate donors to run a propaganda campaign that resulted in the Sexual Revolution of the 60’s.
Laxa is not male.
US culture appeals for two reasons
Because of a ‘perception’ of US being wealthy and ‘cool’. And as we know perception = reality. For example, one could make a case that South Korea makes cooler movies/music. But watching/listening to it is not mainstream (yet). But this is changing with the growing popularity of BTS.
China hasn’t had long to develop its media and its not viewed as ‘cool’ because of propaganda to the contrary – but if you actually watch Chinese movies and shows – many of them are well made and ‘cool’.
Ultimately – the predominance of US culture is about perceived status – people think that associating with it gives them higher status.
Maybe, the thing to do would be to hush the research up, while subsidizing public saunas in Chechnya.
Apparently, thousands of dead people voted for Biden under influence of MSM. Not to mention vote harvesting. The numbers show that Biden got more votes than Hillary or Obama exclusively in big cities in swing states, where vote harvesting was widespread and Republican observers were booted out of precincts. In the cities where voting fraud was observed earlier and where some former election officials are in jail for it.
He got fewer votes than those two everywhere else, from crazy blue San Francisco to crazy red rural Tennessee. Very impressive “victory”, Mugabe-style.
How high you can adjust either or both of the two settings, will be limited by the size of your bank account.
Although if you just need to make a good impression, there are some “force multipliers” for those of us with the more limited budget.
One of the things they teach in the introduction course “How to be a postsoviet leader” is that you should heap a lot of your public wealth onto the places that naïve foreigners and important people will see it. Hide your underinvestment and asset stripping of the public spaces, in the parts of the country where only the local people will ever live or visit, like you’re going to the zoom meeting with a suit jacket, expensive shirt, tie and pajama bottoms.
How do you want your marriage to be?
So far you have asserted that you want to control her economic security. You have also made clear that you don’t want any space for your emotions, but that it should be about hers all of the time.
This sounds extremely bleak. It is a picture constructed of big red flags for abuse.
If women are so easy to manipulate then why have I gotten such a nightmarish view of what it is you want?
Yes, identities which form to allow people to organise and engage with the world eventually become a trap.
I think this how Gilad Atzmon perceives Zionism, how white liberals perceive “whiteness”, how Glenn Loury perceives a lot of “black culture”, how some gays are starting to perceive LGBTQ+, and so on.
Today’s hateful, bigoted movements were yesterday’s progressive liberations.
The problem isn’t the process of moving on. The problem is the process of labelling everything good or bad. US black culture had a point and a purpose. Its conformism, sense of living in the moment and avoiding responsibility, fit the lives of an oppressed and embattled minority that had to stick together. Now it just keeps them feeling embattled and oppressed.
I can easily imagine that a lot of black people are thinking “hang on, I want to be more than that.”
The difficulty is that, if the cost of moving on is having to label everything that was a comfort in the hard past as bad, and evil, then most people can’t pay that cost, so they stay stuck.
You can love both “black culture” and see that you no longer need to limt yourself by it.
Moral judgements fix things in time. They are anathema to adaptation.
I’ll bite, do you carry weapons?
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Oh… well that is interesting. In that case, the time honored tradition of the internet (that bodybuilding forums and 4chan popularized) applies, she should post tits or gtfo.
The river needs to flow from its mountain reservoir in order to meet the ocean.
Economic development has multiplied peoples’ positive freedoms. This has allowed them to question and leave behind many of the previous social structures that were necessary for their lives.
They are now in the process of trying to form new ones, from a position of freedom, which will better fit who they are and their circumstances.
They do a lot of this blindly, often stumbling around like vandals, arsonists and lunatics, but the meandering flow will eventually reach something that better approximates what they want than that which came before.
It is hard compete with a thousand years of tradition, in a few decades, but it is easy to do it in a few centuries, with the gift of far more resources and therefore far fewer restrictions.
Trying to stop the flow, just leads to the dam building up and even quicker change when it bursts. See the Meiji restoration in Japan, South Korea or Spain in the last few decades, Quebec with the fall of the Catholic Church, and Ireland.
You like restrictions for creativity and making beauty, but try telling an artist that she will be better off using medieval paints than modern ones. It is a fun gimmick and a niche form of social performance, but it is a losing political platform.
If you want to reduce anomie, obviously build on what we have now, as radicalism is hubris, but don’t totally forgo the chance to utilise our greater freedoms and better resources to achieve that aim; and the greatest resource is that people are freer, more tolerated and more secure.
Power structures.
Red Cliff is better than anything Hollywood put out since 90s however, US media is more ‘relatable’
Meaning, you are more likely to impress your local powerbrokers by knowing US film.
You tend to take info/knowledge above raw power; 1000 bed notches don’t count if a man rapes you.
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Cancer can multiple the freedom of cells in a body. They discover new possibilities that they have never realized before.
Water will find its level, but it does not mean that it always flow the same way.
What is a “losing political platform” can nonetheless end up being ineffective in other levels that make it nonfunctional. Athenians once tried to elect their officers in the military: it worked about as poorly then, as it would work now.
That is your terminal good. It is not to be thought as an universal good.
Your fundamental error is that you believe that individuals are some sort of entities with free will and unlimited thirst for this thing called “freedom,” and furthermore, unlimited fulfillment of this desire is positive. That is incorrect: it is positive as unlimited consumption of food, sugar, drugs, or any other excess that our brains have often primed for us to seek because they were once rare, but it does not indicate that it is not ultimately harmful.
With greater sources of energy, comes with it greater opportunities for surveillance and consensus building as well. You talk of “evolution” and “progress” and “freedom”, but you are a complex organism that has come to be because of the sacrifice of freedom of your individual cells into a single coherent whole, created through basically forced interdependency and policed heavily by an immune system that attacks anything different.
As the saying goes,
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
You are partially right i think. That’s a good point. But, we should ask ‘why is US media more relatable’? That mainly goes back to my first point about US dominating for so long, having longer to develop its soft power and instituting puppet governments everywhere.
Yes, absolute moral judgements should be replaced by greater nuance and recognition of context. All the great wisdom traditions and mystics warn against dividing the world into simplistic, timeless categories of black and white.
Labels – all words, really – can be immensely helpful but carry the risk of becoming traps. They are as limiting as they are liberating.
Much of the “hell” humans have made of life is simply mistaking words and labels for realities.
One thing that makes traditional East Asian cultures so much healthier than ours is that they don’t take the social script too seriously. They understand if you take social conventions too seriously you go insane.
So on the surface, they are very prim and proper, with lots of social rules – but there is a time and place to escape that lest it gets too stifling. In Japan you can go drinking with your boss and act like an idiot and you won’t get fired. In the US, you would get fired, because we completely identify who we are with our social role.
Likewise, in Asia family values are publicly extolled, but homosexuals and transvestites are completely tolerated. Gays and trannies in the US feel compelled to elevate their lifestyles as superior – not just tolerated – because they come from a society that says you are your social role. So who can bear to feel who they “are” is bad?
This relates also to why Japan is so profuse in eccentrics – it’s because of their rigid social rules, not despite them. The conventions create a feeling of safety beneath which individuality can flourish. England, the country in Europe with the most elaborate social rules, was also famous precisely for it’s profusion of eccentrics.
According to the great philosopher Spinoza, every being wants to persevere in what it is – happiness, then, comes from being what you are.
To be what you are, you need freedom. Misery comes from all the ways society stops us from being who we naturally are, and presses us into agendas that violate our nature.
The problem is, that people also highly desire safety and security. People operating out of a fear-mentality try to restrict everyone else’s freedom as well as their own. Without trying to be offensive, it seems obvious you are someone motivated primarily by fear.
This is not a condemnation of you. If you accept modern Western metaphysics, that we are completely separate from nature and all Being, encapsulated in our skin, (flesh bags or wetware did you call it?) then fear is the appropriate response.
So it is the condemnation of a civilization, and not an individual. We are all victims.
But when people feel safe and secure, they are naturally desirous of the freedom to be their true, natural selves.
The Left often mistakes freedom as the freedom to be what you wish (or think you wish) – but true freedom is the freedom to be what one is.
Stop hating on dude for having game, Donate to Karlin if you want his digits.
His approach is probably better than breaking rules n shit in public to get girls.
I don’t have the emotional depth or patience to do the muh game way though||
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Any moment now I’m happy to show you to your freedom to immantize your destiny as a sugarcane worker.
Your theory of mind fails on me once again. I’ve stated my underlying principles many times, enough for you to infer.
I actually have to say, these little exchanges where you go on a long ramble and I respond to it with a sharp cutting remark actually are starting to grow on me. Its become so common as to be a kind of tradition.
So, thank you, AaronB.
Daniel, you have said in the past things like, primitivism makes no sense as more technologically advanced societies will wipe them out, and you’ve outlined some horrific vision where some alien superintelligences subject “losers” in a battle to infinite torture, commenting it is imperative on us not to “lose”.
So, you are primarily preoccupied with danger and risk, and your mode of life seems designed around mitigating risk. Your desire for transhumanism seems like a desire to ultimately eliminate risk from life.
So that’s your dominant frame; fear, anxiety, and it’s mitigation. This is why you are very preoccupied with “control”. Risk mitigation requires ever increasing amounts of “control”.
I think this is understandable from a Chinese person after China’s experience in the 19th and 20th centuries, but no human – no culture – can remain trapped in a fear mentality forever. At a certain point one must gird ones loins and face life with courage. You have caught the Western disease, along with it’s metaphysics. Perhaps it is a disease that must rip through the entire world before humanity can get healthy again.
Did you ever ask yourself – what would I want most if I already had total and complete security?
Granted, primitivism may be a losing strategy in a risky world. But would it be a fulfilling way to live in a world where it wasn’t a risk?
So you become a transhumanist and death and pain are banished, and technology creates a world of total convenience – how then would you really want to live? What happens after there is no fear any longer?
Putting fear aside for a moment – what’s your vision of the Good Life? I have not yet heard how you would want to live, I have only heard about your desire to eliminate fear and risk.
Have you given thought to what the Good Life might be, or do you think it’s silly to indulge such fantasies when we live in a world of such terrible danger and risk?
https://twitter.com/gpeyrol16/status/1416327598980968448
Is this anything to care about?
Lol, you’re most welcome 🙂
Yes, I have noticed it has become a reliable pattern. A Karlin blog tradition.
I would only do any form of marriage with a virgin. As women who have had extra martial sex are no longer capable of pair bonding.
LOL. Having a loving husband bring and hand over his paycheck to the wife (as was the case in the USSR) is ‘evul male controlling her economic security’…
Most men are incredibly malleable to a womans whims because of the magical thing that women carry between their legs.
Yes I agree. Women are far more prone to emotionally abuse men and there is little recourse to the authorities as it is hard to prove. Another reason why I do not recommend marriage unless it is towards a virgin.
Because you are 1) American (or from the West) and brainwashed by feminist propaganda 2) because you are emotionally broken 3) because you are a man hater (likely due to guys you liked either not paying attention to you or breaking up with you).
Where I currently reside does not allow carrying/owning of firearms.
I see no point in carrying knives as stabbing someone would land me in more trouble than beating the shit out of them. Which is why I used to do boxing and now do Greco-Roman Wrestling (I do not think that BJJ is practical in a street fight as you are more likely to encounter multiple assailants than a single one).
Why do you ask?
Women in general hate on guys who speak openly of Game, as it bypasses their ‘mate selection mechanisms’. Doesn’t mean that they cease to be susceptible to it.
They play tomorrow night and with a couple of adjustments will play like in games 1 & 2. Burrowing up the middle against 7 foot musclemen is a stupid strategy. Shooting 3 pointers on the perimeter will bring them back to life! They have plenty of young sharpshooters itching to get the ball. Don’t know why the Coyotes would move one way or the other?
There is a point to bear in mind with some of these examples that the Catholic Church itself pushed the floodgates wide open in the 1960s and put its authority behind what at the time were progressive spiritual and political viewpoints. It is quite interesting to look back at some of these debates in the light of the situation we have today because what looked like crazy reactionary ecclesiastical predictions have to a surprising (possibly disheartening) extent been proved accurate.
(The wildest example of this phenomena I have heard about doesn’t come from within the Church but from Julius Evola, when he predicted in the 1950s that the inevitable result of post war liberal democracy would be a growing tendency towards hermaphroditism.)
PUA is getting some traction in the Sinosphere, here’s this dude asking white and asian broads about The.Most.Important.Question.In.The.World.About.Oriental.Men
But really we only need to look to Confucius for wisdom
I hadn’t thought of this angle but on reflection most of the women I know who are around about my age and older and are aware of these things have expressed concern about trans issues, pornification and snowflake tendencies in younger feminists. It could be that the changes in direction I was thinking about will start sooner due to this.
Along the same lines, I think it was hearing Bari Weiss talking about the growing scale of the Incel phenomena among men in their 20s and 30s that suggested to me that at some point elements of the Red Pill could end up getting into the Anglo mainstream.
The poorest place I’ve ever seen was a trailer park full of native Americans on the outskirts of Boise. Poorer than a Russian village, even a Zambian one because of the obvious alcoholism, also visible in Russia. Back country Idaho and Colorado is not always great either. Northern Nevada was just empty.
Light rail and trams do wonders for decaying downtown areas.
The random attacks on me were all by at least 5. In the one case there was plenty of space. I was lucky and hammered the first one quickly. The others ran. Otherwise, I still have the scars.
It would be a deeply amusing outcome if around 2100, a second great power showdown between China and America were to happen, only the second time around a significant proportion of the the American elite are descendants of Asian emigrés (think a high-stakes, thermonuclear version of present-day “Chang v Chang” IOI showdown between American and Chinese teams) Would certainly fit the 21st century’s “Pacific Century” moniker.
Even more so. You then need to get all the disparate suburbs connected somehow or get even worse jams, because then they themselves take the functions of the downtown, but with none of the infrastructure
Yeah man. Usually the best thing to do if jumped is to run. Its not always possible though. That’s when boxing and wrestling come in. Boxing allows you to keep them at a distance. Grappling for when they’re close.
Real politics is only possible where the culture is OK with open carry of weapons.
Could be any kind tbh: guns, knives, swords, spears, battle-axes.
Weapons are a form of the Goddess and the mark of a Man (along with Kesh)
I ask because I agree with your positions but they obviously come from a westernized, secular society
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I agree. This is why I don’t want to set the parameters for people, I just want them to be secure, free and tolerated enough to work out their own and then work towards them, or not, if they don’t want.
How do you feel when you make people conform to your parameters?
If humans were like cells this conversation would be moot. Cells don’t possess consciousness and don’t have a choice.
It isn’t that I think humans have an unlimited thirst for freedom either. They clearly don’t. They seem to be on quite distinct and unpredictable journeys; which is why I prefer a political system which gives them the security, freedom and sense of being tolerated to take risks and show courage. I am not a libertarian.
I support a system which will best enable people to achieve the terminal spiritual good. Everyone has their own journeys, so I want politics to be able to enable them, on an individual level. This means tolerance, freedom and security.
A politics which stands against people finding their own way is a politics which attempts to swim upstream. It may, with furious effort, succeed for a while, but it will eventually be overwhelmed.
I’m afraid you might not like this, but we’ve reached the point where human rationality can no longer hold sway. Once you hit this point, you’ll have to rely on intuition, reflecting on how you feel and even visions to engage fully. I appreciate that this is not a method that many value, but I would advise exploring it, if only as a cost free experiment.
Na, I think because game ultimately represents a form of defection against other men; and,
women are the glue within and arbiter between tribes. Game threatens social stability & fem power
Through tribalism & status jockeying guys who get girls with game, still would; so would friends
That type of mating selection process also tends to form stable marriages & involves fathers.
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If she as a white woman is unfit for marriage, she’s serviceable as a concubine; and, only represents the social weakness of white society.
This, doesn’t mean she doesn’t merit the attention/respect of a woman (functioning womb or ability to nurse) and that’s about it. :shrug:
Women are not some evil, demon beings. They are Shakti, Divine Essence (Feminine), The Sword.
Yes, they will get you killed and to control them you must be prepared to die; they also bring forth life.
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I think a lot of kindhearted people, which I guess includes Bari Weiss, look at incels and see young men in serious pain and confusion.
I also think that they will be taken seriously, but not literally. When I close my eyes and see the commenter here “Xi Jinping”, he appears as a vast open wound. If you’re open to your own problems, other people’s pain can become very intense.
“Toxic masculinity” is a stupid phrase, but “wounded masculinity” is better. His self-conception is very extreme, feels desperate and born of a deep lack of unworthiness. This will make him a very easy victim.
Political movements have succeeded, born on energies such as his, but, as everyone basically recognises, only they only do so in times of social disaster and general trauma.
Instead of the “red pill” as it is, I think that women’s “wounded feminity” will be examined. Women can be extremely cruel, emotionally abusive and manipulative, but many of their methods are unrecognised by society.
Fake rape accusations are obviously a thing. Crushing your longterm partner’s emotional needs is a thing. Driving men to suicide is a thing.
A lot of incels have been moulded by exactly these types of behaviours. Ironically, perhaps, I can imagine a Lesbian like Bari Weiss being particularly open to these observations.
Women do these things because they feel they have failed as a woman. They put their identity before their self. Camille Paglia, who didn’t need to prove herself as a “woman”, gets it.
I dont know if this has been posted yet, but this is a rather fair analysis from BNE Intellinews about how Putin saved Russia.
https://www.intellinews.com/long-read-putin-s-babies-215463/?source=russia
Ben Aris strikes me as a bit weird. He is quite knowledgeable and intelligent for a Western commentator, you can almost feel his brains stretching to fit Western news framework that he must take.
“Putin is evil and always fails! Well, actually, this particular program is doing a pretty good job and Putin is fairly rational for taking this course of action and he does care about the outcome, but nevertheless, Putin is evil and always fails!”.
This is one of those hilarious female quotes similar to “men are just intimidated by a strong independent woman”. No. Why would I as a guy who is 6’4 at 223 lbs be intimidated by a woman who is 100 lbs? That makes no sense. Same applies to this. I see women for what they are and respond accordingly. To not adapt is stupid. I just do not allow emotions to cloud my judgement, as many guys do. One could say I am first and foremost a pragmatic. I cannot change women, once they change – so will I.
You are going by partial ‘feelings’ and trying to project some female conceptions onto the male mind.
I am not sure what you mean by this? Can you clarify.
If anything women are the thing that brings conflict within and amongst tribes. Tribal warfare amongst the Yamamato is primarly driven by a competition for women not any other resources. Wars where started over women (if the legend of the Trojan War is to be believed – it was started over Helen). Even now, it is quite possible to be jumped by guys who think you are trying to take their women.
This is what I have been saying – women attach themselves to whoever they view as strongest within the vicinity/social group. The State is the strongest actor. However, an average male can bypass this position by projecting psychological strength and showing an ability to be stress resistant in adverse situations.
Nietzsche wrote:
“The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”
Yes, there was plenty of evidence the courts studiously avoided looking at. But you oversimplify. Some judges were pro-Biden stooges, but others (e.g., the Supreme Court) were simply scared shitless to go into the unchartered territory and annul obviously fraudulent election. The US constitution does not specify what to do in that case. Mind you, the Supreme Court has once before certified fraud: decided to let stand the fraudulent (as later recount showed) “win” of W in brother-controlled Florida. In part, for the same reason: the US constitution does not say what to do in case of result-changing fraud in presidential elections, so the courts are inclined to pretend that there was no fraud, or insufficient fraud to change the result.
The system is rotten through and through, it cannot be corrected by the courts, even if they wanted to.
It is wise to ignore everything the puppets say and follow the puppet-master.
You are incorrect.
At one point in my life, I grew up mostly alone, surrounded by books and otherwise by nature.
Unlike you, who rambles a lot about nature, I was intimately familiar with it. I counted ants as they went about their way, one by one, saw their fierce struggles against giant spiders as they prevailed together. I saw two spiders approach each other, one smaller and one larger – they were alike, perhaps the same species, and perhaps even siblings – they fenced for a moment, circling and then one leaped upon another and by fang and venom, the loser’s limbs flailing as they do with spiders, then crumbling inward as its insides were dissolved. Another time, it was like that too, with a smaller and larger spider, but there was a web involved and once the female had finished eating the male, soon afterward, many small spiderlings were born and many small webs surrounded the first.
Once I befriended a pair of mockingbirds, a mated pair who took up territory at this place I often visited. They were lovely. I remember then once that I had zoned out near them, looking at the bright edges of clouds where they caught the light, seeing what I thought were faces in the sky. When I looked down, a snake was steadily gliding toward me, slithering in that strangely hypnotic way that I found myself staring at it. Perhaps it was venomous and my life would have ended there, but the pair of mockingbirds swooped in and the flick of their gray feathers and the white down beneath was like flashes of light, striking at the snake, flipping it over and driving it away from me.
Sometimes I’ve wondered if it was divine. It certainly does not need to be: birds do not like snakes in their territory, and mockingbirds are infamously more aggressive than your normal songbirds. But that it was natural does not mean that it also is not supernatural.
I do not recall any of this with the terror you suggest. I recall it with beauty. There is this enthralling grace and beauty in the struggle, in the gap between life and death, in that moment between aggression and fear, between hope and despair. Behind it all I felt an order, a purity that was beautiful.
Understanding this has led to the deeper sense of order that is worth struggling for, for the evocation of the Platonic ideals into the world of flesh and mud that I’ve told you of. I have some thoughts of what you might call a Good Life, but that is much less important than the struggle in and of itself: it is the journey that matters more than the destination, it is in becoming that is more important that having become.
It is you who have surrendered to fear, if anything. There is much triumph yet to be gained and order to be placed right, evil to be destroyed and good to be celebrated. There is more beauty to be discovered and order to be constructed.
Glory awaits.
In looking back I see that Bashibuzuk has ghosted himself which is not great news. If you recognize his essence in a new userid perhaps just let it pass?
I find it beautiful. A very basic form of order in the universe is hierarchy; whether in submission or in command, to participate in that is to build out a crystallization of beauty, like the minute and silvered stalactites of snowflakes.
As a Russian reactionary once said: life is a despotism of ordered systems. Great freedom can be revealed in the unordered decay of death.
Do cells not have consciousness?
https://www.wired.com/2013/11/christof-koch-panpsychism-consciousness/
Do humans have a choice?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet#Volitional_acts_and_readiness_potential
Your terminal good rests on assumptions that may not be true. And certainly en mass, it would be profoundly silly to believe that humans are not majorly influenced by information and by other agents in their environment. As I mentioned before, I think to you, any doubts in it could be resolved functionally in an experiment with vodka.
And much your cells, I’m certain that many of them have their own journey. And they should be aided and assisted in their journey by the environment that they are in, to complete the necessary roles they need to maximize their society.
And when they do not, they need to be discouraged.
No, I do think that humans have quite unlimited desires that unless fettered, sufficiently externalize harm around them. It is the way we function. Maximization.
I absolutely agree with that and suggest that you indulge in such yourself and question your beliefs. Right now, they’re really rather boring and often contradictory, not any more innovative than the bestselling book The Alchemist with all of its usual New Age prattle and personal journeys.
Take a risk and challenge them. You might discover that the typical canon of individuality is much more threadworn than suggested, and that some of your arguments against controlled come not from truth, but from fear.
It would be impressive if they actually could manage any of it.
It’s more likely a cry for political and financial support, and maybe investments. These in themselves are actually positive things, or can be, but are not the same as a party genuinely and competently working to improve the country. Still, it could bode well.
Proof?
https://detroitmi.gov/webapp/election-results
The city of Detroit had turnout of 49.56% (pretty low, if the goal was cheating). Biden got 93.5%.
Clinton did a little better than Biden – she got 94.95% of the vote.
Trump got 5,000 more votes in Detroit in 2020 than he got in 2016, while Biden got about 1,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Clinton got.
It’s an odd way of cheating when turnout is so low, and the Democrat did a little bit worse.
Trump lost because a smaller percentage of white people voted for him in 2020 than in 2016.
Ballot harvesting was another legal cheat, but the primary factor was total media control, which resulting in nonstop demonization and lying about Trump combined with whitewashing Biden’s problems (such as was revealed on his son’s laptop). So it’s more like a Russian election, except the outsider-president was the victim rather than owner of the political-corporate machine, rather than like an election in Zimbabwe.
This is why losing weight is so difficult. Your fat cells want to live.
Do anyone here think if Trump had gotten his 2nd term (which he’d likely have without the fraud), would the rot have magically gone away? He would have throttled a lot of cultural/ideological propaganda pushed officially under Biden (and retained some sort of legitimacy in the institutions), but COVID (Remember Trump supported Operation Warp Speed)? Belligerence to China? Massive Federal debt? Floyd and BLM? State-level rot? And most importantly, uniparty rule?
The electoral fraud doesn’t matter as much as you think.
I mean, this is literally what’s going on with cancer. They just want to live. It is only indirectly that they also kill you.
Dutton’s idea of the spiteful mutant is also consistent with this. They don’t mean you any harm. They just happen to act in ways that will poison you all.
https://vdare.com/articles/of-mice-and-men-spiteful-mutations-look-bad-for-the-west
Your “order” over everyone else.
Most people who try to possess the ring end up like Gollum, not even Sauron. How does it feel when you look in the mirror?
It is telling that you find your own egotism so mesmerising. “Your precious” indeed.
I made no such assumptions. Your tired argument is still just special pleading for why people should listen to you on how they must live.
Like a little boy, who wails and bawls that not everyone is doing what he wants so as to soothe his hurt feelings. Poor Gollum.
You are right for the reason I stated in 381: the system is rotten through and through.
I am sorry. I meant a deep lack of “worthiness.” You need a hug. You’re not intimidated by me. You’re intimidated by your own emotional needs, for which I am just a placeholder.
Say you do manage to convince me that you are a heroic, masculine man who knows everything and has no needs, how will that feel?
I believe it will feel empty, because it is a lie and a self-betrayal, and you spent the journey deeply anxious of being validated. What’s the point?
It is funny that you quote Nietzsche, because the way you describe yourself is pure slave morality, but you think it is the opposite.
Trump was clueless about a lot of these things as people his age are, but he started to wake up at the very end; this positive trend presumably would have continued.
I don’t think he places himself at the top of this order, which is a natural phenomenon.
Watching the development of her mental schema and assumptions is pretty entertaining.
True wisdom lies in understanding before making accusations. The latter mostly just reiterates your own answers to yourself.
There’s a story of a Zen teacher pouring tea into a cup…
A very nice comment overall.
However, sometimes I get the impression from you that you want to reduce the infinite riches of the natural biological order to a tame human order, and one that you control. That would be a fear-based project – to reduce the fathomless complexity of the universe to a human compass, rendering it tame and predictable.
Translating Platonic ideals into the world of flesh and blood – I am not sure what you mean by this. Traditionally, did this not mean wresting permanence out of a world of flux? Would that not be the opposite of becoming?
And would this not mean imposing human categories onto a world that is infinitely richer than can ever be captured by words?
The human mind is ultimately a rather tame thing. Kant showed that our entire thought process can be summarized in a few tables of concept pairs. To impose this simple scheme on a world of infinite richness is to tame it – that can only be a fear based project.
A world that did not contain mystery would be a supremely impoverished world. Goethe said that the highest experience man can know is wonder – not knowledge. Don’t you sometimes feel that everything you know – and everything you could know with a human mind (even of it were a thousand times more powerful) – somehow doesn’t come close to capturing the world’s richness?
You say order to be “constructed” – would this not replace the mysterious, wild, and rich natural order with a tame, human imposed order that provides comfort and security?
The big question is – do we dominate nature, or find our place as part of nature and work with it? Dominating nature seems always to be based on fear. Control is always about fear.
What can it mean to eradicate evil? That too seems to be imposing limited human concepts on a fathomless world. Is death an evil, or a good and natural thing? Are we perhaps meant to energy-transform periodically? By not dying, who knows what undreamed of states we would be denying ourselves.
In the end, beauty, order, and goodness I agree with you that we should strive for – and I even agree with your desire to become “bigger”, the desire for “more” – being merely a detached fragment of a human is not “enough”. Only, by seperating ourselves from nature and trying to dominate it and control it we actually lose sight of beauty and become less. Nothing can make us feel “bigger” than realizing our place within nature – connected to literally “everything”. There can be no bigger than that. And a world of purely human order is a smaller and punier world.
So – your ideals are fine and good as far as I can see, but you may be going about it the wrong way. Perhaps.
If it is a “natural phenomenon,” then why is it not a reality? Or why would it not be the result of people enjoying a good degree of security, freedom and tolerance, at least?
Why would someone even need to argue that it was a natural phenomenon? Do natural phenomena need justification? Aren’t they merely things you observe?
Isn’t attaching the label “natural,” in this case, just about the weakest justification for why people should submit to his control?
I don’t think he has the slightest clue about nature, nor appreciation for it. It is merely a label he uses to hide from himself and his own desires. He should have the courage to say “I want people to act as I want”, rather than pretending that nature is that which wants it. He is so cowardly.
The current system starts in the central downtown area and goes both north through the city and east through two large suburbs, Tempe and Mesa. No traveling through any “lovely desert scenery”
You’ll need to complete your drive through the Apache trail for that. 🙂
But I did very much appreciate your descriptions of finding beauty in the natural world, even the parts we might ordinarily find harsh or upsetting.
And as you said to Laxa, hierarchy is found in nature – but is it a spontaneous hierarchy, or a human imposed one? And is it a system of interdependence, rather than a hierarchy, where the so-called controller is defined and controlled by the relationship as much as the so-called controlled, and where each piece fulfills it’s natural role?
I was once walking my sister’s dog in the California woods, and a deer leaped onto the path before us, prompting the dog to chase her wildly. The deer was off on the side, and neither of us saw it – yet it leaped in front us, not the other way. At that moment I had the insight that on some level, prey enjoys being chased. And why not?
Yet do humans enjoy being exploited? Can we decide that for others?
From a certain perspective, hierarchy may vanish and be replaced by a vast, beautiful, orderly system of mutual inter-dependence. Humans might take their cure from this, and instead of dominating nature, exploiting it, work with it and find their rightful place as part of the whole.
I am honored to be in the presence of one who’s confidence in her psychic ability to read the secret intentions of others exceeds her reading comprehension. Continue being brave and courageous, just like everyone on Twitter.
Good night, Laxa.
One need not have psychic abilities to see that you want for other people is what you want for them.
What is strange is that you can’t see it.
Your personal tale about fear, mother nature and the snake reminded me of a similar one written by a friend of mine, who lives in Costa Rica:
LOL. another one of those feminine nonsensical statements. I am fully aware of my emotions, i just don’t see the need to share them with the world like a faggot.
I don’t need to convince you of anything. Just that you don’t understand me or men as well as you think you do. (Typical feminine solipsism).
It’s funny because you don’t understand Nietzsche. Can you even explain his main points without resorting to wikipedia or sparknotes or something like that?
Which is why the fraud might be a blessing in disguise: you need to be disillusioned in order to have the resolve to leave the system, bring it down and rebuild, instead of patching it up like what some people both Red and Blue have been trying.
Even in such a high place I’m not at all sure if he can arrest or delay much of the currents set in motion last year or this. A lot of those are structural and some (especially the cultural/ideological ones) could have come back in forms that work around Trump.
Greater economic development is usually accompanied by steadily increasing mass media and mass education. And technological development. It’s not always easy to figure out which of those factors has contributed to the breakdown of traditional gender roles.
I think that technological development may be the big one. The one that makes the breakdown of traditional gender roles inevitable.
That seems to be the pattern.
In some cases these movements never were libertarian. Feminism for example was never really about freeing women. It was about forcing women to adopt male gender roles, whether they wanted to or not.
All these are the result of capitalist social arrangement.
(There isn’t a single “traditional” gender role, but a multiplicity of them that morph over time and with only commonalities rooted in biological reality, e.g. masculine warriors and feminine caretakers)
https://twitter.com/maria_shagina/status/1417217067896410119
https://twitter.com/ElenaChernenko/status/1417231718310977540
Anything interesting?
In the West people are not going to tear down the system because they have too much to lose if tearing down the political system leads to complete social and economic collapse. It doesn’t matter how disillusioned they become, they still have too much to lose.
And people don’t care about losing freedom. They care about losing their pension, or their house, or their smartphone, or their social media access but they don’t care about losing their freedom.
And most people couldn’t care less about the things that rightoids care about.
Your basic agenda seems to be to reduce the wild complexity of the world to familiar human terms – you call this beauty, order, and goodness, and the eradication of evil.
This is the Western dream since the end of the Middle Ages.
This is a fear-based agenda, that is slightly more refined than the person who simply covets wealth and power. I do admit it is a more refined and sublimated version, but at bottom it shares the same root; fear, and a feeling of existential inadequacy.
What is wanted, at bottom, is security. Beauty, order, and goodness = safety, familiarity, and control, in this way of thinking. Endless growth, also, is a desire for security.
This is not an insult. Wanting to be safe and secure is not “cowardly” or “bad” – it is a deep human need that everyone must satisfy. That is why it is important to examine our deepest metaphysics. If we don’t, we will be imprisoned by unexamined assumptions that may condemn us to search for fulfillment where it cannot be found.
At bottom, the search for security is the search for a home – a place that is “right”. That you dress up this search with noble sounding names like beauty and goodness that are more socially sanctioned than a concern with safety, just shows how alienated we are from our natural needs.
Yes.
Pretty much. What social conservatives think of as traditional gender roles and the traditional family aren’t really traditional at all. They’re 20th century innovations.
There is no need to tear down the system.
The system survives off our energy. All we have to do is opt out, or be less energetic in functioning within the system. This will naturally happen – is naturally happening – as the system can no longer motivate at the same level, as people realize it’s promises of providing fulfillment are no longer believable.
That is why the Lie Flat movement in China was so concerning to the elite, and is no longer permitted online. What is so encouraging is that many of the people seem to have graduated from elite Chinese universities.
The system will die a natural death. It’s basic premise is that technology will provide us with ultimate fulfillment. This is met with growing skepticism as the emptiness of this promise becomes clearer by the day. It was never a credible promise, but after 500 years, we are beginning to finally see this.
But what will replace the system? It is probably time to start seriously thinking about a new metaphysics, and in my view, the only obvious alternative is a reintegration into nature.
This does not mean we can’t continue to have technology, only that we no longer look to it for salvation, and abandon the premise that we are seperate from nature and must dominate it.
https://www.asiaone.com/health/singapore-happiest-nation-asia-un-study
This is what the UN wants for the “developed” world
Agree. Much of the fix-it-with-gene-editing is just a more elaborate version of “we should build hills without valleys” or “we must have sunshine without shadows”.
At least the old fashioned breeders understood what they were getting into: creating a distortion means taking the bad with the good.
Or, “It’s not the end of the world, it’s just the end of you.”
The Big One really is coming, but on an individual basis.
I’m not quite sure about the mechanics of it all, but I’m sure that the two are related (individual demise and eschatological end of this world as we know it now) and am putting things into order that will help in case either contingency appears first.
It depend on where you go. Sure, the western part of Idaho is scruffy and really just an extension of Eastern Oregon, but the rest really looks like “God’s country”. I suppose that something similar could be said about Colorado, but I’ve traversed less of that large state to say (although the parts tht I’ve seen were majestic). .
Good, but what kind of economy you’re envisioning? It comes before the spatial arrangements that are possible.
Build hills without valleys – such a perfect way of putting it.
When one puts it like that, one immediately sees that it’s literally impossible, even incoherent.
I am afraid even if you want to keep some technologies, they won’t be there because of the loss of knowledge and the level of social complexity needed to maintain it (maybe similar to how Roman engineering was gone when Rome fell and only rediscovered in the Early Modern period)
Trump’s continued influence on the courts and his influence in various regulatory frameworks (such as elimination of sexual witch-hunts at universities, cutting off of funding for universal which was upcoming) would have sheltered and empowered the silent majority who oppose the woke nonsense. For various reasons (bogus Russian investigation, being an outsider who needed time to figure out how to get going) Trump did very little on these fronts his first 3 years. Another term would have been more than just simply doubling the (minor) impact of his first term.
Your first tweet was written by someone whose surname is a very interesting portmanteau. Or at least a funny one.
Disneyland with the Death Penalty; William Gibson; Wired; 1993
https://www.wired.com/1993/04/gibson-2/
Doge is really a low-effort memecoin, but I wonder what would happen with a high-effort one. Like, suppose a billion dollars were invested in making blockbusters set in a universe with a new coin. One designed to have high merchandising potential, like Star Wars, but where you could buy the merchandise using the coin.
Some strive for the palace bedroom
Others merely wish to place their heads at the feet of the Guru।।
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Is it not reality? Is there not a natural social hierarchy, whose complexity reflects the development and refinement of each society?
His argument comes across as an observation.
One can also observe that a breakdown in order and hierarchy reflects a decline in the society. Such an observation may seem like an “argument” in favor of maintaining a hierarchy, I suppose.
Is it really about his or anybody’s control though? In the natural hierarchy individuals’ roles depend on their personal attributes. These roles can be beautiful or honorable, simple or complex, depending on the beauty and honor of the society.
A crude simpleton such as your other interlocutor, “Xi-jingping”, has admitted that he has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women. He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.
“Daniel Chieh” on the other hand is more intelligent, thoughtful and moral. Whatever he does is much more complex. Most importantly, in a healthy and beautiful society his role involves more obligations and no less work. Such people are not some sort of parasites as modern (leftist) propaganda implies, no more than a neuron is a parasite compared to a cardiac muscle cell.
Trump represented a Penultimate opportunity to produce a Castizo America instead of a Haiti or South Africa.
As someone already of darker skin, and with no love for the whites or racial mixing I can say I’m full on popcorn after watching that many guns lies silent after so much fraud & deprivation.
White here meaning the Amerikaner Anglo Christian heritage with a love of ‘liberty’ and other forms of tribal supremacy and government totalitarianism masquerading as sound ideology.
Liberals are more likely to leave me alone as long as my guns are aimed at you, and between 2 sides of beef eaters I have no ‘dog’ in the fight।।
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Surprised nobody sabotaged Bezos.
One of the diseases of late-phase ideologies is this half-conscious stretching and the obligatory ‘Russia is failing!‘; or in the past, ‘as Bible says‘ or ‘Marx already knew‘. It is fear of being denounced as a heretic. With Russia it has reached absurd levels as if the homo-liberals are fixated on seeing devil at work since their lifetime work is collapsing.
The predicted demographic catastrophe was a silly concern. As we see with C19 there are some in the elite who would prefer fewer people around. Our quality of life is basically available resources divided by population, having fewer people with the same resources is hardly a catastrophe.
Your error is that you think that I believe that humans, per se, are in control here. It really comes down to few really simple things:
The universe is full of wonder, and the more we seek to grasp it, the more questions that shall arise. This is not a call to futility, this is very much the process of both seeking and in seeking, being. This is life itself: the daily organization of chaos into order, a process without exact beginning or end. Do we ask “what is the purpose of life?” No, life persists. It is lovely. It persists because it persists.
“Beauty, order, and goodness, and the eradication of evil” are part of the innate sense of of guidance, I don’t know how to express it in any other way. It is a mission from beyond, not a justification of the self. Its not really something that can be reducible into human terms as you are struggling to do so. It is like how Newton sought to understand the mind of God through alchemy, and and I have since learned, some physicists do so today. You believe that “truth” is found in the words of human philosophers, but I believe that truth is found in the record of God’s creation, in the minutiae of interactions and the patterns to observe. In discovering this, in pondering it and in making connections, I find joy.
I’ll leave the notion of evocation as a riddle to you, and in part because I like the rule of threes. Remember that in Hermeticism, every material item is ultimately a thought; therefore every thought can materialize, no matter how seemingly contradictory. You bind yourself with such limitations by claiming this or that is impossible. Why? Many things were seen as impossible, and have become possible. Other things may yet be impossible, but we would not know. Do you claim to know the mind of God? Neither do I. But I can choose to have faith in hope.
Sometimes, all you need is more imagination and knowledge. And you don’t need to do this because of fear or need for security. Sometimes, creation is for its own purpose, its own beauty, much like exploration can be for its own satisfaction.
To strive boldly, to be aware and curious, is I think, quite beyond fear. And if it is, then perhaps the meaning of such words can have little cogency.
Don’t know atm if this is truthful info, but honestly would like it to be real and even to become systematic behaviour, lol 🙂 In short – Lukashenko media is reporting that LT borders guards kicked out back to Belarus the group of Iraqi “refugees”:
https://interfax.by/news/policy/vneshnyaya_politika/1300045/
I want to add this quote from Erwin Schrödinger, known for his eponymous cat experiment below, because it is quite evocative and I think really captures a lot of my thoughts:
https://medium.com/the-infinite-universe/we-may-now-know-what-life-is-9326d34a14e8
Schrödinger’s primary insight is that life creates order from disorder. In a universe governed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics, that all things tend to maximal disorder, living things maintain small enclaves of order within themselves. Moreover, if you look down to the atomic level, you find that the interiors of living things are extremely chaotic. Heat and molecules diffuse through rapid motion. Everything seems random. Yet the living thing persists, turning all that small scale chaos into large scale order.
I do not see why technological development would inevitably lead to change in gender roles. Technology is just tools, but human biology (in which gender roles are rooted) do not change. If anything Technological development makes humans more arrogant, leading them to think they have mastered their biological instincts moreso than previous generations and that biology no longer applies to us. This leads to delusional ideas like feminism or pushing women into the workforce en masse.
This reads like the words of a jealous man, a man who wished he had a good physique and was full of strength and beauty, yet lacks it. You sound envious and I am sorry for you.
More words of envy.
What makes you think there isn’t love and warm relations with these women? (Rhetorical question)
It is jealous/envious men that are usually the ‘tools’. Sorry to break it to you. I promise you, I have a great career and earn more than most people here in all likelihood.
This post confirms what I already suspected – AP is a small man who thinks he is smarter than he is as well as adding envy to that.
I would be glad to be proven wrong, but I do not think I am based on what you write. In fact, it seems to me you are simping towards Laxa – for what purpose I cannot fathom.
In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.
I disagree. I find that he veils his political platform behind the vaguest analogies I’ve ever read, makes a few barely relevant anecdotal observations and avoids giving direct answers to questions, but, this means that if he is only saying what is, rather than what should be, he is saying nothing at all.
It strikes me as cowardice and sophism, though likely internal.
I’d be very happy to be wrong.
My guess is that he is a young fantasist. It isn’t that real individuals, like he describes himself, don’t exist, it is that, even if they felt they needed to convince strangers on the internet of their truth, they would communicate in a more effective manner.
He’s also familiar with one of the ways in which women can be disproportionately cruel and abusive. Given his immaturity, I would guess that his mother has distinct problems with emotional regulation and his home environment was unsafe for his own emotional expression. This isn’t that rare, but it is also not nearly as common as his ideological outlook implies.
Just an observation and exploration of an interesting phenomena, but the problem with you calling him a “sociopath” before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn’t a sociopath in the “I just use people and have no feelings sense”, because he would hide it.
I knew a woman who was like that and she structured her entire persona around hiding it. It was highly effective at masking her conscious self, even if there was an extremely hurt little girl below even that.
What’s the true face of a young man who feels he needs to hide behind a sociopathic mask? What life experiences would teach him that he needs to convince everyone that he has no emotional needs of others?
He isn’t like my female friend at all. She had to really care for you to try to convince you of her sociopathy, in order to protect you from herself. You’d have to be cared for so much, that it broke the wall separating her conscious from her unconscious. This was the closest she could get to an expression of love – to momentarily break free of those bounds, solely in order to desperately keep that loved one away.
A nonsensical reply. Again, I merely mentioned things about myself to prove a point, not to convince some internet stranger let alone a woman of anything.
And what does ‘communicate in a more effective manner’ even mean? That is just word salad
Typical feminine shaming language. Sounds like you yourself are abusive towards men in your own life. Which is why I said that you are emotionally broken and hate men.
I would ask that you don’t speak of my mother. Another guy speaking in such a manner about my mother would have his face caved in.
LOL. Laxa, you don’t understand men very well. You write from a feminine perspective, and its wrong. I don’t see the need or have the desire to scream like a headless chicken, or release crocodile tears to get sympathy from strangers. Doesn’t mean I don’t ‘express my emotions’. Like what does that statement even mean lmao
Thanks for trying to dissect my personality. Problem is your “analysis” makes little sense. You use some weird ‘therapy talk’ mumbo jumbo that is popular right now, but has no relation to how actual psychiatry works.
Ah here’s the crux of the issue. You knew a WOMAN. You don’t know men.
More mumbo jumbo that makes no sense lol
Laxa, I suggest you write less particularly about topics you don’t understand and listen more. This is another reason why I do not think women should work – they develop big egos but don’t actually know anything beyond a small specialized field.
Great point, that psychopaths go to extreme lengths to disguise their true nature – and this should be a clue to what women – and people in general – truly want!
In fact, psychopaths “seduce” women by simulating unqualified love – it’s called “love bombing”, and is the opening stage in every psychopathic attempt to “manipulate” women. It’s famous in the literature.
Not dominating. Not acting macho. Not acting tough. Not being the strongest man. Being the most loving man! Later, once she is hooked on something so few of us ever truly get – unqualified love – this is used to manipulate and control. But they always lead with “love bombing”.
If PUAs read up on how “dark triad” people and psychopaths actually seduce women – by precisely disguising their dark triad traits and simulating the most loving, caring, charming, healthy, balanced man, by being the most extreme “too good to be true” version of a loving man, they might actually learn what women truly want!
When people hear that “dark triad” trait men are successful with women, they – in a simplistic, linear fashion – assume it is precisely those traits that women like. Yet they fail to notice that one of the three traits is precisely deception and disguise! How stupid can one be to miss that the success comes from concealing dark triad traits?
I had heard so little of PUA lately I thought it was a passing cultural fad, although our Western diseases see to hit the Sinosphere with a lag time.
I think today, many immature young men must go through this PUA phase. Ultimately, most grow out of it for the simple reason that it isn’t fun. It’s more fun to be authentic and vulnerable. It’s boring to be calculating all the time. It’s fun to be spontaneous. It’s fun to have genuine relationships based on kindness. And ultimately, the psychic cost in loss of self-respect from faking oneself becomes too high.
Like the Left, PUA will die because it is constricting, stifling, confining, and against human nature and what it truly enjoys.
It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.
You are on a board which has commenters who are far more sympathetic to your persona than is the mainstream; yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.
I also don’t think that anyone has the impression that you are this ultra-successful, extremely dashing and wise Chad, that you want them to believe.
You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively means.
Russia just tested the S-500 against a ICBM-warhead like target.
First, it’s not the whole picture. The second law of thermodynamics applies when no outside energy is used. When energy is taken from one part of the Universe and used to increase order in another part (living things), net result is still an increase in overall disorder, but it does not contradict local order. Living things use external energy to maintain their order.
Second, it isn’t chaos inside the cell, even though all molecules move by Brownian motion. While their movements are random, their interactions upon random encounters are not: molecules “fit” each other (often in particular functional states, like active conformation, or with certain post-translational modifications), and more stable complexes are formed when they fit, whereas when they don’t their encounter is “hit and run”. The formation of select complexes of molecules, which have the functions that individual molecules did not, is the order that distinguishes life from non-living matter.
AP is literally of aristocratic extraction. In a better world, he is a nobleman.
Reading your exchanges with various commenters reminded me of a Russian joke:
Because of a lockdown I had to spend several days with my wife. To my surprise, I discovered that she is a remarkably intelligent woman.
That level of genetic manipulation is indeed still science fiction. We haven’t even been able to isolate precisely enough which genes have which effect, or to edit the genetic code to that level of precision.
Also, if we did have that technology there would be no need to use Australian Aborigines or any other particular group as the starting point. You would be able to do it with any humans. The science fiction story would end up being about countries all over the world competing in a genetic arms race to produce more and more capable people.
That was basically the premise of that classic Star Trek episode. The genetically modified super humans of all nations and races decided it didn’t make sense to continue to serve the inferior humans who created them, and organized into an independent group headed by Khan.
Yes, actually, the rest of the article discusses that. Ultimately life does increase entropy, it just “pumps it” out to somewhere else, thus increasing the overall entropy of the universe to increase local order.
I believe that the article refers to it in a relative way: the molecules move with much more chaos compared to electricity in a microtransmitter and how that much be precisely regulated.
Its understood by almost everyone but you. Why? Because you are a woman, and probably shouldn’t be on this forum.
LOL cute. I don’t care for your ‘sympathy’ facepalm
LOL. What performance? Honestly sounds like penis envy.
I feel like Laxa has penis envy and any outpouring of masculine virilism is met with the her desire to put a stop to it.
This female desire to kick men in the dick whether literally
By censorsing male speech
Taking men’s money in a divorce
Or just shitting on masculine excess
Women don’t have a phallus so they are always trying to rob men of having one while trying to become the phallus.
So basically women want to ban the masculine while becoming a cum-less impotent dildo version of it
The erect penis is despised by the woman for its virility and ability to upset the sterile corporate status quo. However women have no problem giving each other infertile dildos.
Women are phalusless (gay impotent) and the more women are in an organization there are they (impotent gay phalusless) the organization is.
I am sorry that you feel despised by women.
He may be from noble stock, but he is not of noble character or body or spirit.
In the Platonic conception of society, nobility has a physical and spiritual component. Judging by APs comments regarding a beautiful physique (and in general), he is not aristocratic in demeanor at all.
Neither is he aristocratic in the Evolian sense. He lacks any sort of nobility of the soul or virility. I cannot fathom how anyone can see him as an ‘aristocrat’
So I think that my assessment is correct – in a more beautiful (platonic/evolian) world he would be ostracized or turned into a peasant.
Weren’t the Augments literally the results of secret eugenic experiments, probably with old-fashioned breeding methods? I always assumed it was so, with mass infanticide of failures and trait selection, basically like dog breeding. Racial traits would probably matter there and some degree of inbreeding would be expected.
I am sorry you have penis envy and hate everything virile and masculine. I can’t imagine how this envy must feel.
Oh, I would be quite happy returning to the Stone Age 🙂 The activities I most enjoy are perfectly consistent with a Stone Age lifestyle.
However, reintegration with nature need not entail the loss of technology or even prevent developing it more. It would just mean the loss of the idea that we are seperate from nature and must dominate it.
At its roots, the scientific method is a thing of beautiful humility designed to work with nature and not against it. Basically, it’s the humility of accepting we don’t know and accepting the teachings of nature.
It’s science as a social institution, that has become so rapacious and destructive.
Of course, if there is a social apocalypse than yes, we may well lose most of our technological know how, like happened with Rome. But the analogy I find most convincing is a gradual decline into a Byzantine Empire.
Already, society seems to have decided it wants security more than genuine novelty and breakthrough. Peer review is designed to substitute consensus – which is always hostile to genuine originality – for bold, innovative, paradigm challenging thinking.
So as a civilization we have basically already killed Faustian science by choice – we just haven’t caught up to this yet.
Just as Nietzsche in the 19th century said we killed God but the knowledge hadn’t reached us yet, we’ve already killed our belief in Faustian science – bureaucracy, peer review, etc are society choosing safety and familiarity over bold innovation.
So once again, we’ve already killed our “God”. But perhaps Gods always have to be periodically killed? Perhaps one meaning of the Jesus story – and there are surely many layers – is that mankind always eventually kills it’s God, and that this is necessary for new spirituality to be born. After all, Jesus’ death was an essential part in bringing a new spirituality into the world.
So barring serious collapse, which I think is unlikely, I think we will slowly transition into a new paradigm that is away from the old story of domination of nature. We have already killed our old God and are now in an interregnum period.
But of course, radical loss of technical know how is also a possibility – in my view, quite ok 🙂
There is a dichotomy in your posts that you may not be aware of. On the one hand you talk about effective communication and are willing to wildly speculate about personal things that we simply cannot know. But I recall your robust defence of the Western bombers around the world by claiming that reading too much into their motivations – other than what they said: we are spreading freedom – is preposterous. You also in a conformist way defend the official C19-vaccination position (but lots of people do that).
You always seem to identify with the mainstream and are comfortable as conformist with some quirks. Try to be more skeptical about mainstream narratives and less skeptical about personal motivations. People in the past with that profile were often enthusiastic enforcers of ideological orthodoxy. Try to close the dichotomy by shifting your skepticism from personal to mainstream. It is more interesting that way.
Who do you prefer? Person who hides behind a sociopathic masks or true sociopath who is undetectable? Would a true sociopath to even further reduce detection by people as keen as you put a mask of a sociopath to throw you off so you would think he is just an insecure person who has mother issues?
Or is this all about Daniel Chieh who rubs you wrong way and you would really want very badly to call him a perfectly camouflaged sociopath? Daniel Chieh has been found out long time ago and his case is very simple: He is Mowgli who was raised by machines.
There’s no such thing as ChristCuck nobility.
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https://twitter.com/Niyogin1/status/1303514873939128320?s=20
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Well it was just a suborbital flight, Bezos is not a threat yet. 🙂
But going down that particular rabbit hole, it was an interesting coincidence when Zuckerberg’s satellite to provide internet for remote people blew up atop a SpaceX rocket and then SpaceX launched Starlink ostensibly to also provide internet for remote people. And Googles’ balloons project to the same end got canceled recently.
Meanwhile, in other “private space entrepreneurship” news, US military is feasting on Momentus corpse while suing the exiled Russian.
https://spacenews.com/investors-drop-out-of-momentus-spac-deal/
Dawn Harms is a Strong Independent Woman from Boeing Defense.
Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, aside from Northorp, all the US heavy hitters are feasting on the corpse of foolish Russian.
As far as technical complaints go, expecting perfection from a silly startup is unrealistic and everybody knows that. Their plasma oven worked 3 times out of planned 100, which is 3 times more than expected on first launch. Hence the interest from the MIC.
https://qz.com/2033684/former-momentus-ceo-mikhail-kokorich-denies-spac-fraud-charges/
You are probably a white woman approaching middle age with at least 1 white son.
Therefore, you are trying to put down POC masculinity to give him an advantage,
There is no freedom brought by white men or western society, you are a racist. Kneel & repent
https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116
https://akarlin.com/2009/09/struggle-europe-mankind/
Two points here.
Before moving past someone’s external justification, I find it best to establish that their given justification doesn’t satisfactorily explain their behaviour, given their stated beliefs and what they knew at the time of making the decision. People are logically consistent a lot of the time!
The Iraq War, in support of creating an Iraqi equivalent of the German miracle, was entirely consistent with the expressed ideology of the ruling class. It was the “no child left behind” act for the Middle East.
The interesting question is not “why did people support the Iraq War?” Their ideology is a logically consistent answer for that. It is why have they doubled down on their ideology, even though the Iraq War disproved it? That’s where the darkness and irrationality are.
I don’t know if that’s true, but one of the funnier observations I remember from being in many groups is that female dominated groups typically end up as lesbian/transexual led groups, with the funniest example being that the “XX” subreddit apparently having almost its entire moderation staff consisting of MtF transexuals. And of course, le discord moderator jokes – which seems validated in my experience.
In this, we learn that apparently, men are the best women. 😛
In the sixties the human genome had not been mapped and there were no real genetic manipulation technologies, so the writers fell back on selective eugenic breeding as an off-hand explanation for the Augments. Of course the time scale of the projects would have only been a few decades which is at best a couple of human generations, so it would never have worked in practice.
In the rebooted movie version they changed it to genetic engineering. Of course they also had Benedict Cumberbatch playing someone named Khan Noonan Singh so obviously the engineering must have included a lot of cosmetic changes as well as the functional ones.
Their ideology doesn’t forgive them for their crimes, and 1mil illegals since Jan proves that.
Same state-led totalitarian thinking as Oy Vey Sikhs resist so they must be calling for genocide.
https://twitter.com/GurjantSM/status/1416462683797262339?s=20
Anyway, coin flip whether you Anglo or Jewish
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You don’t smuggle a virus into a country under the cover of a military attachment. You don’t hide your sociopathy by telling everyone that you are a sociopath. That type of double bluff only works in extremely simple situations.
Sorry for the aggressive sounding description below. It is from a film!
If you and I played a game, with two cups of wine, one which I could poison. Would you drink the one I placed closest to you, or furthest?
I would advise you drink neither, as I would obviously poison both to ensure that I won.
Best not to get into a game based on whether you’re a sociopath, if you are one. Best not to make yourself an obvious search target, if you’re carrying a deadly virus.
They both deserve love, but the latter can probably only be helped by God.
That’s funny, but I don’t think that he is a sociopath at all. He just seems to really like order, to an inhuman level, which is not good for most people.
https://youtu.be/sR9KKwoZmGU
There are potentially a lot of upsides to demographic decline. If managed carefully.
The obsession with trying to increase birth rates is almost certainly futile and in the long term would be counter-productive if it worked.
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http://www.worldstopmost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Sweden.jpg
Improvements in contraceptive technology are an example of technological development inevitably leading to changes in gender roles.
I think that improvements in mass media technology (from movies to TV to cable TV to the internet) inevitably led to changes in gender roles. They exposed women to the idea that different options existed.
Improvements in transportation technology (first railways then cars) changed people’s whole concept of what a community was, which in turn inevitably led to changes in gender roles.
Technology changes society drastically.
Some jobs can, some jobs can’t, and much of the difference is because of Zoom meetings.
Not really, the very people most likely to develop those technology are those most (culturally) affected by them।।
The way these technologies are employed or even designed are conditioned by social arrangements. Going back to my original point.
Those who manage demographic decline go extinct, future belongs to those who increase birth rates.
InoSMI time:
https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210720/250150404.html
So, Anglo-Canadian from Rural Ontario.
First image didn’t load, btw.
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Anyway,
https://twitter.com/YungBhujang/status/1142425683672674304?s=20
His analogies seem to be rather clear and correct, and moreover beautifully written, at least to me. He’s just pointing out that hierarchies are omnipresent, and they increase in complexity as society becomes more complex and beautiful.
You make a good case but I still think the chances are 50/50 either way. If he were bright you would more likely be correct. But he is a simpleton. I would also add some narcissism into the mix. So he is too simple to hide himself, and to understand that it is funny and pathetic for someone to brag about spending a lot of time in the gym exercising for the sake of being able to serve as a living dildo for hundreds of loose women. And he is narcissistic enough to want to brag about this “triumph.”
But it is equally likely that he is a clueless guy who is putting on a sad show. In which case I wish him the very best in changing and improving.
You are confusing cause and effect – “the cause” that leads women to being ‘exposed to the idea that different options exist’ comes about as a result of how this technology is employed.
If I show women that careerism is the only choice and use mass media to make fun of having children – that is what they will believe.
If I show the opposite – then that is what women believe.
Its in the manner that the tool is employed that matters.
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Contraceptive technology would lead to a decline in fertility but would not lead to changes in gender roles, as it did not (and does not) in many traditional societies or in the USSR for example.
The cultural software plays a big role in how contraceptives are viewed.
Another way of looking at it is that improvements in transportation technology changed how food can be distributed meaning it became even easier for women to have kids as they didn’t need to work in the fields anymore as they did in the past.
Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.
Judging by your comments on this site as a whole, I think you describe yourself. You were called a sophist at one point – where you not? And I think for good reason.
Firstly you put words in my mouth that I never said. I said I workout, but never specified my motivations.
Like I said, you are too simple to realize that you are envious of a person with a great body because you do not have the discipline to get off your ass and exercise, and likely weren’t popular with women in your youth – hence are jealous of those who are – because I promise you if you had the opportunity to be with many beautiful women you would have taken it. But you didn’t, so here you are with Sour Grape Syndrome.
Evola had many, many interesting ideas, including the hollow Earth people and other deeply enjoyable fiction, but I think that he would not be opposed to the notion that an aristocrat would have to be a leader of men, especially in military affairs.
It so happens that at least since the medieval era, effective leadership has a lot less to do with the volume of one’s voice or even personal prowess, but the ability to coordinate information, work with a number of individuals, and accurately make decisions under pressure. An army marches on its stomach, as it is said, and I think that Napoleon and Frederick and Wellington and perhaps the entire general history of the Roman legionary have all shown that to be true, much more than the notion of an army that marches upon its biceps or genitals, however protuberant or vast they may be.
So in think that your assessment is quite wrong, because you are looking at the wrong metrics to measure an aristocrat’s effectiveness by.
Exactly.
Yes, if merchants are in power – then career women
If Brahmins – then muh STEM grilz bro
Kshatriyas – then:
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A stone age lifestyle is characterized by rule by sheer strength – might is right. The only law is the law of the jungle – an eye for an eye and what you can take and hold. And men’s minds where ruled by both superstition and wonder. Something that no longer exists.
From your previous comments on this thread, you do not subscribe to this view and thus you do not support a stone age lifestyle as you abhor any form of might.
No, AaronB is talking about hunter-gatherer bands.
Hunter-gatherers lacked the resources for significant warfare capacity. You can look at the wandering tribes of Native Americans – who had quite brutal histories, but the populations were really quite small and so the actual scope of murder was surprisingly limited. They did have brutal warfare at times, much as even chimpanzees did, but they did not have the resources and time to specialize individuals into a dedicated soldier-caste.
It would really take agriculture for that to happen – the start of settled chiefdoms, which allowed for wealth to exist in the form of grain, and the existence of a strongman chiefdom and an entourage of warriors, where you get things like the Fierce People and 70-80% mortality among men by warfare.
I think Aaron has voiced at times an opposition to agriculture. This idea is also echoed by the novel “Ishmael” by Daniel Quinn, that settled life and agriculture led to a vast change in society and exploitation of nature(of “Takers” going beyond “Leavers.”)
Mowgli of prairies, history books and I suppose some MMOs.
So is poor Belarus now stuck with these Iraqis that Lukashenko has imported for the purpose of spoiling Lithuania?
Anglos, who are hardly known for their land-based military prowess, were able to cross the global and to rule and dominate your people for about two centuries. Little Scotland and Ireland put up more of a struggle against them.
https://www.theonion.com/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-moveme-1819569515
The Evolian conception of aristocracy and nobility had nothing to do with what you mentioned. Which is why I suggest you read “Revolt Against the Modern World”. But I will briefly summarize his conception of aristocracy. Aristocracy in his conception was primairly spiritual. As was the concept of race. He was was racist in so much as different races where archetypes for a particular person. For example a negro/jew is viewed as a somebody that is petty, conniving and lying. The exact opposite of an aristocrat of the soul.
According to Evola, modern man lacks a laundry list of virtues, but only two are absolutely essential for societal health and success. These are the virtue types that correspond to what Julius Evola termed “True Virility.” They are, Heroism (warrior bravery) and Asceticism (transcendent discipline). Without some measure of these two components, man will fail to achieve true manhood.
Those with a shard of this “True Virility” are termed “Aristocrats of the soul” or are aristocratic in general.
According to this definition, AP is not aristocratic. As I have said.
And yet AP is a sophist and frequently presents incorrect information as ‘correct’ information, and dismissing facts to the contrary if it does not suit his narrative – as my previous debates with him have shown. So even by this metric he falls short.
Logistics and coordination is important – but if we speak of Roman legions or Greek hoplites – often they would refuse to follow those who did not exhibit heroic qualities and promote those who did to emperor. As we saw with Juilius Casear for example.
Then again, much of the aristocracy didn’t engage in leadership, much of it was just small time landowners who didn’t even have any peasant working for them and didn’t even fight. And if they did, it was mostly as foot soldiers. In other words most of the medieval aristocracy was useless. And if AP was a big name, he sure as hell wouldn’t be living a middle class life in America.
Look at the yamamato tribes. They engage in constant warfare with their neighbors for resources – mainly women. They are ruled by a band of strongmen (the mightiest warriors). This was the case for hunter gatherer bands in general in the stone age – which is what I was referring to.
Again, look at the yamamato tribes – they have a dedicated soldier caste that rule the tribes and fathers want to marry off their daughters to this caste. These are not city states.
Hunter gatherer societies were based around a group of men who had sufficient strength and knowledge to defend their tribe from slaughter by wild animals or other tribes (for example to take their women). Those men who could not participate in warfare where of lower status.
https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/the-yanomamo-and-the-origins-of-male-honor/
Bezos might be too useful to state intelligence agencies, for anyone to consider offing at the moment. But if Musk’s secret plan for orbital weapons platforms fails, then becoming everyone’s ISP is a heck of a back up plan for world dom. Imagine having your finger on the Netflix button.
Going back to the thread where lack of evidence of aliens was brought up: someone just discovered a moonlet with a 14 mile diameter in orbit around Jupiter. And only because of its albedo. Imagine if it was painted black, one tenth the size, or further out than Pluto. Even something the size of Keppler could probably see technosignatures from further out.
Yamamato, the “Fierce People”, are obviously not mobile hunter-gatherer tribes. I have studied them for some time, among other things, I’ve even watched the original Napoleon Chagnon video of them. They are sometimes seen as the classic form of a chiefdom, and are very settled.
Their longhouse(shabono):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/ShabanoYanomami.jpg
Note the existence of walls, clear evidence of significant settlement as well as necessity to defend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabono
Yanomami crops, which is based around slash and burn agriculture:
https://i.imgur.com/saBQLuB.png
http://victorenglebertphotography.blogspot.com/2014/11/brazil-yanomami-slash-and-burn.html
The Yanomami can be classified as foraging horticulturalists, depending heavily on rainforest resources; they use slash-and-burn horticulture, grow bananas, gather fruit, and hunt animals and fish. Crops compose up to 75% of the calories in the Yanomami diet.
Yanomami usage of dry foods:
https://i.imgur.com/hyxFCZ5.png
They have an entire process to make cassava edible, but I remember reading as a child that they also process other roots in the same way to make flour. With the existence of flour is the ability to storage food for long periods of time, which is the basis of wealth.
So yes, they are a highly violent settled population. They are not roving tribes: those would be people like the Hadza, the !Kung Bushmen, etc. Such tribes have no use for extra population, so they can’t kidnap anyone, and since they don’t use flour, they can’t save food. They basically lack the concept of wealth, or any real ability to hold territory. They do have status games and importance, and men are ranked by their ability to bring in high value food, but their population are too small for warfare.
As for Evola:
As a kind of Hermetic, I do like him but I think he allowed his worship of the Sun element to be a bit too extensive. The Jupiterian aspect, without counterbalance, can lead one to some unusual ideas into hubris.
Why do things that are easier?
To a more skeptical person that suggests that their expressed ideology was not their true motivation. It is a classical chicken-and-egg situation. I find it hard to believe that you sincerely buy the neo-con German miracle in Iraq argument. To say that it is consistent is meaningless, propaganda campaigns can be consistent and not reflect true goals. For example, Washington-London almost certainly had their eyes on a naval base in Crimea – but they would not announce it. It is called deception, and it is quite valued among the ruling classes – they don’t think we should know certain things…
You doubt individuals but claim to believe that state narratives are sincere. An odd position for anyone with a decent IQ, are you by a chance a mid-wit?
Rare photo from personal archives:
https://i.imgur.com/x6hvRFM.png
There’s something just amazingly entertaining about drugged-up tribals in loinclothes with modern weapons counterposed with red warpaint & bows and arrows.
Brazil, what a place.
I suggest you read the article then. They may not be nomadic tribes but they are far from an agricultural civilization. In the article I posted it says that what surproised Chagnon the most was the ever present pervasive state of warfare the tribes had. Also, roving bands of gatherers have non-permanent settlements sinilar to nomads. This is more applicable to the Yanomamo. But point is that even though population where small, they all still fought constantly.
Yes I agree, however this was not the reason I brought up Evola. He has a very good definition of Aristocracy that was applicable to the situation.
It is sad that practically the only biorealistic episode of Star Trek was a denouncement of eugenics. And I think it also goes without saying that eugenics war or no eugenics war, meeting superior aliens would automatically lead to eugenics programs.
BTW, I am still waiting for a scifi show that makes an honest exploration of HBD. I cannot think of one that doesn’t somehow pimp diversity and blank-slatism.
Yanomamo populations are not small. You could do just a quick google to see that they number in tens of thousands in a few hundred villages, with hundreds of people per village. They get most of their nutrition from crops, so yes, um…they are agricultural, literally dependent on them.
They fight because there’s profit in it.
Roving hunter gatherers have populations of less than a hundred per band.
They don’t fight because there’s no profit in it.
I like that you say we are not in control; recognizing this is a part of our reintegration into nature. The idea that we can stand outside of nature and control it is responsible for much of the mischief in the modern world.
I agree that knowledge does not destroy wonder, if it’s limitations and proper role are respected. But it is also important to recognize that knowledge is not superior to wonder; the highest state is wonder, not knowledge, because cognition is necessarily reduction of complexity to relatively simple categories and concepts.
If we do this with humility and discretion, knowledge is no enemy of wonder. And the scientific method itself is a beautifully humble thing. Science as a social institution, however, has surrendered to the reductionist tendency; nature is “nothing but” so and so, and what is beyond our mental categories is considered unreal. We have a responsibility to be on our guard against this tendency.
I agree that nature has purposes of it’s own, but our likes and dislikes are important guides to what nature wants and expects of us. We have been too dismissive of our desires. If we “feel good” under primitivism, and suffer, wilt, and decline under scientific modernity, we are placing ourselves as the controller and disregarding the clear signals we are getting from nature.
That in .02% of human history, primitivism has been crushed by modernity cannot be the basis of sweeping conclusions. Modernity itself now produces anomie and dysfunction, and our way of life is clearly not sustainable. That we arrogantly ignore our “bad feelings” under modernity and insist we know better is to believe that we are the ones controlling things. And even our rational minds tell us the technological life is not sustainable long term. We are destroying the planet, and making ourselves miserable.
But there is no need to choose between modernity and primitivism, and our feelings – so despised in modern science – are our only reliable guide to building a world that is actually fulfilling and doesn’t produce the anomie of modernity, without sacrificing the power needed to withstand rendering us fragile.
For instance, modern architecture is ugly, boring, and humanly unfulfilling. It is this way not for any reason of scientific necessity but entirely because of ideology; it is supposed to reflect our progression into logical abstraction. This has nothing to do with science as a method but is science as an ideology.
What is needed is not to choose between abstraction and feeling – the division, the split, at the heart of modern anomie – but to unite them. In short, what is needed is to rescue the scientific method from the metaphysics of “division” in which it was arose and is still embedded.
Perhaps that’s our next stage forward – to reclaim our human nature – and connection to nature – without abandoning science. In a way, it is to rescue a gem from mud.
As to what I claim is or isn’t possible, this isn’t a counsel of despair, although it can sometimes seem like one. When I say it is “impossible” to have one thing without another it is merely of the same order of logic as saying 2+2 cannot = 5. This is “impossible” because 4 is merely another way of saying 2+2. It isn’t really the “result” of two plus two – merely a restatement.
What is happening here is we are confusing language with the real world. When we say “good” we are also saying “evil” – what we really mean is good-evil. They are one unit.
It isn’t a question about what is possible in the real world, but of clearing up confusions about our use of language.
As for not being a counsel of despair, seeking fulfillment in an error of language is a ultimately a counsel of despair, and has led to rejection of nature and to the war against our own selves. Divided from ourselves, we silt and die.
To heal is to become “whole” – to accept our full natures, the good and the bad. No longer at war with ourselves, our energies are freed to flourish.
You are basically telling me that one half of reality and nature is “bad” and must be eradicated and fought against, that our own natures are divided and we must be fought against; from this comes contempt for our feelings of pleasure.
I am telling you that all of nature must be embraced and accepted, including our own. That none of it is “bad” – that’s a mistake of language . Which is the more hopeful and joyous message? And which will lead to more energy and creativity? Connection to the whole or being divided and weakened and in perpetual war?
Nietzsche had a great line – to become better we must become more evil. On the moralistic level this is superficial, but on the psychological level it’s profound. When we embrace the “bad” aspects of our nature we become whole, the weak and flawed aspects, we release tremendous energy.
And remember what Blake said – “Without Contraries is no progression. Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary to Human existence.From these contraries spring what the religious call Good & Evil. Good is the passive that obeys Reason. Evil is the active springing from Energy.”
Eradicating one side will doom us to a joyless stagnation.
Yes, to strive boldly and to be ever more curious – but to strive for what? Control and domination, reducing the infinite richness of existence to familiar categories, of denying and rejecting one half of existence? Or to strive boldly for a life that is whole and complete, to be curious not so that we can reduce infinite riches to simple categories, but to so that we can marvel at it’s richness and revel in it?
LOL. Evola was the descendant of a carpenter on his father’s side and a shopkeeper on his mother’s side. His claim of being a “baron” was theatrical pretense, based on the fact that there once existed a D’Evoli baronial family that died out (merged into the D’Afflitto family) sometime during the middle ages.
So we have here on Unz the spectacle of a proud human dildo taking lessons in “aristocracy” from a shopkeeper’s and carpenter’s grandson.
I agree with this comment.
Life does indeed create order, but it is not the cold abstraction of human logic, but a warm, spontaneous, biological order; that is life.
It is an order of infinite riches, not reduction into a dozen or so relatively simple categories that are familiar to us. We humans can and should participate in this manner of life creating order, but the abstract order we have been pursuing is closer to a sterile entropy.
And yet the scientific method in it’s purity can be the basis of a new kind of science that isn’t about reduction or sterile abstraction. After all, “true” science encompasses all that “is”, not a half or a part.
Perhaps we can even say that science in it’s highest sense has not yet even begun – and to begin we must first heal the split and division that was it’s evil twin at the time of it’s birth?
The Yanomano aren’t really a good example because their warfare is ritualized at this point. It’s more “showing off” and a ritual rather than some mass slaughtering you imagine
Simple – even if it existed, the eternal mediaroach would rather jump into a hand-cranked meat grinder with pain amplifiers than let it air.
Really, calling someone’s aristocracy into question while living in Europe is… pretty unwise. Thanks to feudal western hyper-autism, now if you’re 1/1024 western European, you’re a direct descendant of some aristocrat.
Then again, he argued for aristocracy being more of an abstract, spiritual thing rather than lineage. Which fits in the ancient Greek model better, after all, seeing that “aristocracy” means “rule of the best/most virtuous” and not “rule of a bunch of people who are descended from some other people”
Crimea is a strategic marvel, you can literally reach from there most of Middle East, Europe, Mediterranean, Caucasus, Russia, etc…You can place missiles there, have air bases, etc… Erdogan is a tough customer, but he nevertheless is still a customer – if he goes too far, the Turkish military would have something to say about it.
Sebastopol is a natural, well protected port – just getting Russia’s Navy out of there would be a coup. Don’t fight the obvious, of course Washington was salivating about Crimea. China has nothing to do with it. You display certain Western solipsism – try to get out more…
Until resources start to run out. Then the societies that increased their birth rates will suffer catastrophe.
In the long term resources will run out. The smart strategy is a gradual managed population decline.
The future belongs to those who don’t squander all their resources.
Which is why, potentially having some kind of minimal descent is a very silly basis for a claim of nobility.
How convenient of him.
Yes, the ancient Greek model differed enormously from the European one. Nineteenth century liberalism comes closest to the Greek idea of aristocracy. Modern liberalism has fallen from this, because of the decline in virtue, though there are scattered examples of aristocrats in the classic Greek sense among modern elites.
My people?
The ones who bested the Mughals, Afghans & Persia before building the best Artillery in Asia?
Who tore up the EIC & the Hindus before being betrayed by Brahmins & Rajputs?
Who won more VCs than all, while numbering barely 150,000, those people?
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I understand what you’re saying but I don’t agree. I think that most of the time it’s the nature of the technology itself that determines how it ends up being used.
I think the idea that technology is neutral and that it can be used in any manner we choose to use it is naïve. Technologies develop their own momentum. Technologies don’t have negative effects because somehow or other bad people have gained control of them.
And the effects of technology on society cannot be predicted, so the idea that when a new technology comes along we can somehow take steps to ensure that it will not have drastic effects on society is also naïve.
I don’t think there’s any way to ensure that a technology is “used properly” because if it’s a new technology there’s no way of knowing what effects it will have. By the time we figure out what those effects are it’s too late – society has already been changed.
Television for example did not change society because wicked people decided to use it for nefarious purposes – it was inherent in the very nature of television that it was going to have dramatic and unpredictable consequences for society.
And if a technology changes society then gender roles are one of the things that are going to change.
When the internet was invented people expected that it would only be used by a very small fraction of the population – mostly geeks, who were overwhelmingly male. Nobody knew that millions and millions of women were going to use it. At the time it was invented it had no obvious appeal to women.
The Anglos beat you and annexed your country though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Sikh_War
The First Anglo-Sikh War was fought between the Sikh Empire and the British East India Company in 1845 and 1846 in and around the Ferozepur district of Punjab. It resulted in defeat and partial subjugation of the Sikh kingdom and cession of Jammu and Kashmir as a separate princely state under British suzerainty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Sikh_War
The Second Anglo-Sikh War (First War of Sikh Independence) was a military conflict between the Sikh Empire and the British East India Company that that took place in 1848 and 1849. It resulted in the fall of the Sikh Empire, and the annexation of the Punjab and what subsequently became the North-West Frontier Province, by the East India Company.
The former palace of the defeated Sikh leader Sher Singh, is now a Christian college set up by the British.
Sikhs were cool and I applaud their defense against the Muslim invaders, but they were no match for the British post-Vikings.
Let us be clear, “knowledge” means reducing a complex phenomena into simple categories for the purposes of measurement and control.
By gaining control, we lose our connection to the “totality” of the phenomena, which cannot be rendered into simple, reductionist concepts.
The result is alienation, being cut off from the source of energy, and internally divided against ourselves – modern anomie and dysfunction.
Now, this need not be so. If we fully recognize that reduction into simple categories and measurements is merely one tiny aspect of the total phenomena, we may not lose our connection to it’s larger mystery.
For every growth in knowledge – in reduction to simplicity – we must cultivate a corresponding sense of wonder. This used to be the domain of religion.
But science as a social institution decided that religion must go, because we must always stay in the mindset of reduction to simple categories. But religion was a counterbalance to this mindset – a reconnection to the infinite richness of phenomena, which protected us against alienation and internal division.
Sure, conventional religion had many problematic aspects and in many ways functioned like the worst of science – as a project of reduction and control – but it always retained some ability to connect us to the larger whole.
And no longer can we think that growth of knowledge- reduction to simplicity – is the highest goal. It is one goal. We must also cultivate a “science” of wonder.
When this happens, we may even appreciate the beauty revealed to us by this reduction to simplicity, provided we never forget it is a fraction of the whole.
Ultimately, the dichotomy between primitivism and science is false. In pre-history we lived in a paradise of connection to nature. Then we Separated, and that was good for a while but has had us to our current impasse – anomie and dysfunction.
Might the way forward not be a higher synthesis of the two?
Hegel really has to be read again.
What Evola did was display a complete absence of common sense. Kind of like Aleister Crowley’s end as destitute junkie. How people can make heroes out of these guys because Evola wrote a bunch of great books and Crowley wrote a couple of great books might be a tell that our age is most definitely not the golden age of heroes.
*on a tangent I read in an obscure academic article a couple weeks ago that common sense is not sense that millions of people have but it is meant that you have your senses operating in harmony–your eyes and your ears and your nose are giving you the same message.
Have you read that Chagnon piece where he says that he was drummed out of the anthropology power circles because he didn’t sugar coat his portrait of how savage the Yamamato were? It’s pretty funny although it’s only one side of the story and probably nobody will ever care to document the other side.
This is a modernist myth.
In fact, Stone Age hunter gatherer societies were considerably more egalitarian than agricultural societies, and less warlike.
Extreme social hierarchies and exploitation arose with agriculture. Interestingly, the rise of agriculture suffers from the same problem Darwinism does. Intermediate stages offer no advantage, so it’s a mystery why they happened at all.
Agriculture eventually became a stable and successful way to feed large populations, but only after millennia. For a very long time agriculture was significantly less effective at maintaining health and providing food security – so why was it adopted and stuck with?
Its almost as if the universe “wanted” to evolve in this fashion.
In which case, the rise of agriculture, science, and the separation from nature, with all it’s pain, was not a “mistake”, as traditionalists often think.
But the present anomie and dysfunction of modernity, after centuries of dynamism, suggests another direction the universe “wants” to evolve in; back to reunification – but perhaps from a higher perspective, having tasted extreme separation and knowing it’s a dead end.
British Raj lasted ੯੬ (96) years we’ve literally been mass migrating to the West longer..
There’s been Paki rape gangs almost just as long, didn’t Kyiv last like 20 year before going Christcuck?
Shouldn’t you be kneeling right about now, I’m of the darker skin..
Singhs killed more whites than any war until WW1, Singhs freed women from Muslim harems;
Tell me again, who still fills them to this day?
Why do you talk as if these conflicts are over?
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Oh, I know, Chagnon had been pretty badly treated. The entire anthropology gig is heavily infected by the poz, which is a pity, because a lot of this needs to be documented before it is gone forever.
More chance of success?
But you’re right, I am actually happy to engage with the collective unconscious of the age. You can’t understand the collective voice of liberal egalitarianism without doing so; the framework of which the Iraq War fits neatly within.
Warning. There is a lot behind the “more.”
I don’t think you’d like the result though. It won’t yield a “people are all bad/all liars/all deceivers/all incompetent” 2 dimensional image. Every individual is far more profound than that, and the collective is obviously even more so.
Take white liberals. They are so allergic to race IQ and crime stats, which are explanation neutral, that they usually can’t even see them. When they are forced to engage, it isn’t just their voice that starts stuttering, but their consciousness stutters over something it seems in extreme fear of. They twitch, move, deflect, before finally accusing you of some terrible darkness. That darkness is very real to them, they don’t act in deep fear because it is fun, but it isn’t in me, or appropriate to the situation.
Once you recognise this, you can, like Robin Diangelo, make a living accusing them of what they accuse others; though to soothe them I imagine that it helps to say something like “yes, but those other white people are even worse.”
The biggest problem with this though, is that it is charlatanery. You are barely scratching the surface, and stopping there, merely to sell still simplistic answers to complicated questions.
People don’t have deep-rooted personal fears of their own racism because racism itself is so horrible to conceive of. Instead, it is a useful externalised placeholder for a way in which they relate to themselves. This is what most people’s nightmares are made of.
Becoming an important white liberal means developing a way of thinking and being which diminishes certain interior functions. Ask one about their impressions of the all pervasive force of “white supremacy” and they will often tell you exactly how their harsh internal critic speaks to them. Ask them to describe what’s great about black people, and they will describe frequently what they miss in themselves. They project their lost dreams onto blacks, exactly as most parents do to their children, or people even do to their pets.
This might then take you to another layer which takes you to another layer, and so on, and so on, with each one getting more and more individual, and perhaps even, paradoxically, universal.
If you want a darker explanation of the Iraq War, it is easy, but everyone astute already sees it. You don’t fight your whole life to get “power” without wanting to exercise it. Launching wars and remaking places is a far more satisfying exercise of power than fiddling around with the tax code. This is one reason why great military powers always have a lot of wars, but this too would need to be unfolded at length to get to any sort of deeper understanding. After all, why are humans obsessed with exercising “power”, it usually works out badly for them on an individual level. They almost always end up feeling like failures.
Seeking out power is a distraction from your own wounds. Adopting a whole colour of people as pets is a distraction too. Liberal egalitarianism is a manifestation of how they wish they could treat themselves, white supremacy is a manifestation of how they actually do. Distractions are where you try to fix yourself by fixing the world, and power is the eternally self-corrupting avenue for doing just that.
Even with all of these words, I have barely touched a sliver of the full picture and there are endless seeming contradictions to pull out.
You asked why would I do something easy? It is because I can. Or rather, it is because I will give such a partial answer for the harder things that the answer itself will be a trap. This is a trap which I see you fall into, time and time again. It is the trap of taking a thin spot of darkness, thinking you have revealed it all, and rushing into judgement. The rush to judgement betrays that you aren’t looking for understanding and strongly suggests that you haven’t even escaped your own confines. You will not find understanding, if you are not looking for it.
None of the things I have described above are bad. They are how they are and the people involved are trying to cope with the immense complexity of the universe that we are put into. I can only illuminate a tiny fraction and must be content with that. No matter how tempting, I certainly don’t want to obsess over that while neglecting myself. That’s the worst feeling of all.
Finally, and the reason I insist on taking people as sincere, before you explore their depths beyond that. Sincerity is a surface level phenomenon. You have to pass through the surface to get any further. If you’re not taking them as sincere, you’re just swimming in your own muck. You sincerely believe that you’re engaging with them, but you’re just swinging judgement around in your own head, doing yourself damage. Xi-jingping is sincere, in his way, but his obviously high levels of persomal distress are causing him to bleed out other stuff to the surface. He has so far described himself as worthless multiple times in a very short conversation. When people are highly distressed you are talking with more than the surface whether you want to or not. I cannot apply this same observation to the public persona of people like Donald Rumsfeld. He did not leak distress, like a confused boy boasting of being used on an Internet forum.
I hope this stream of consciousness makes sense to you. It seems to me like a generous amount of effort to make.
That suggestion is overwhelmed by the fact that all of their public pronouncements and domestic policy are also consistent with that ideology. “True motivation” in this case being the one that consciously motivates them.
Because it was not necessarily an exclusive lifestyle to hunter-gathering; no weird speculation is needed. Northern Native Americans grew the “three sisters” sometimes by basically planting them and abandoning them, returning later. Even true hunter-gatherers like Hadza mentally mark off areas of known food plants and go to them; despite what I believe you think, they do not just rely on spontaneous discovery of food, gathering is intensive and organized work, usually reserved to the women, who produce a relatively consistent amount of food while men spread out to hunt in a higher risk, higher reward strategy. Hunters are more likely to rely on spontaneous discovery of food; some old finds have suggested morbidly that they turn to cannibalism – if they can’t find food, they turn another into food.
One of the many perils of your effort to convert laziness into a substantive philosophy for life.
I guess in LEXX, the Shadow Empire gets destroyed because they don’t wipe out the Brunnen-G.
Should have followed the prophecy, suckers.
https://youtu.be/6EC8s6T-Asg
It may not have an abstractly technical storyline, but The Fifth Element is not tabula rasa at all.
It is a funny article, but the truth is that the feminist movement could not have been more successful.
I know that hunter gatherers often practiced agriculture as one method of food production, but it was one among many – what I am talking about is the shift to complete reliance on a single crop (rice, wheat). In every way this was a worse deal – less variety, worse health, less food security, more disease epidemics, and more unequal social relations. These early single-crop agricultural states also had a real tough time retaining manpower, were more vulnerable to attack and predation, and were constantly collapsing.
Yet with no clear benefit, they kept on rising and falling, for over a millennium until the situation “stabilized”. Just as a “quarter eye” has no utility and cannot have been selected for, and only a fully formed eye does, so too early single crop agricultural society had no utility until matured.
Laziness is a moralistic shame term to get people to do what they don’t like and are against their interests. People have no problem making sustained effort at things they enjoy. Laziness also priveleges superficial and excessive “doing” over more profound appreciation and enjoying. The Greeks and Romans thought idleness was noble, and work degrading. Laziness is an invention of industrial civilization because no one would willingly live this way.
Successful in what? In destroying the society women could have thrived in? Yes. Improving the lot of normal women? No. There is Russian expression: cutting off the bough you sit on. That best describes what the feminist movement is doing. But take heart: feminists are not alone. Western libtards are doing exactly the same thing.
“Life” is a phenomenon that reduces “complex phenomena” aka chaos into systemic and organized pieces for the purposes of measurement and control.
This is a lot of words that seem to miss that this just happens very, um, naturally, every day, without the universe coming under threat.
I do not think that we will ever see eye to eye on this.
Just because you read that in one book doesn’t mean that it has to be true. One thing to consider that this kind of strategy isn’t just extant in humans: leaf-cutter ants do exactly this – they cut leaves and farm basically one kind of fungus. They’re very pretty successful.
Indeed, the entire “taker” notion is rather questionable because it suggests that only humans are responsible for this, but it really seems to be common to anything that has enough excess energy as a civilization(and I do count ants as this).
https://youtu.be/cqECNYmM23A
That’s not true. Its easy enough for a civilization to keep planting an area and returning to it, eventually becoming used to a specific methodology and eventually they do converge on crops. The yanomani, for example, seem to mostly rely on cassava and plantains – they’re not that far long in terms of systemization, but it clearly works. Its not even that “mature”, its just slash and burn.
In terms of calories/numbers, it pretty obvious that they’re much more successful than roving bands, which have like, what, 80 people? Typical village around 200-400 people, total numbers of 35k vs bands with 2k total?
This is what annoys me about you, but I realize I am project incorrectly because I do have this kind of unusual mind that allows me to integrate a sickening amount of information, and in fact, cannot stop doing so. But my opinion is that many of such mysteries will disappear simply by following anthropology in general.
I believe that this may be part of your notion of “wonder,” but I do not find deliberate ignorance fun. There’s plenty of genuine mysteries.
I’m sure that Hadza women enjoy pounding roots into powder every day. It certainly is wonderful to celebrate idleness when you can force your women to do all of your life-sustaining activities for you, isn’t it?
Unfortunately, once humanity moved north, that was no longer the case.
So, is it morally wrong to move north where you can’t just put the majority of the labor on women? Apparently it is, if you think of laziness is a moral good. However, for the rest of us, life found a way: women became more dependent on men, but also shifted their labor to crafts and other non-food producing activities. Men had to become less lazy and more directed. And in the creation of crafts and tools, so produced much of the unique capability of what we consider as human civilization.
And that, I think, is really quite lovely.
Yes, life is working towards order, just as individual lives always end in death, but, once there, everything will have to split apart again, otherwise it will be boring AF.
I believe we can agree on the first part and I’ll let you reply to the second, though it isn’t important.
Having agreed to the first part, my question is whether the “order,” which you think you perceive, is actually the way in which things are ordering, or you are just seeing what you want?
I think Aaron’s challenge to you, is whether you can be comfortable in chaos? If you can’t, then I think it is safe to assume that the “order” which you think you see is actually an illusory coping mechanism, even if your thesis is correct.
This is what I meant by my comment earlier when I suspected that you liked order too much, and that this wasn’t good for most people.
I hope my comment comes across in the good-hearted way which it is intended.
But Daniel, you missed the whole point! The apparent simplicity you see is the result of your mind abstracting some features from the whole. It is not an operation of nature, it is an operation of your mind. Basic Kant.
And that this mental operation of ours, while useful and important, creates alienation, and must be paid for by periodic “restoration” of the whole.
For you now to claim that “life” is this way – rather than your vision of life being this way being the result of your mind abstracting features from the whole – is to assume the very bone of contention all along.
But in all our convos, this is the one thing you absolutely refuse to get 🙂
So I will leave it at that. At this time, we can go no further and will not bridge our divide. Thanks for the convo.
This is a direct question, but I have to ask: what is the difference between the way you see the world and emotionally resilient cynical nihilism?
So are the Neo-Malthusians right on a long timescale? (resources are not strictly limited to what we have at the moment)
Why would “comfort” be an aspect of projection? If you are in boiling water, you will not be comfortable, but the fact that you find it scalding and would like not to be scalding should not be thought of as an illusionary coping mechanism.
I see what I see. Obviously in the end, I cannot know what is truth – however, I can work toward what I feel is the highest good and it is in my opinion that I am substantiated; I certainly don’t lack for effort in working toward understanding a more cohesive view.
Consensus has no special claim to truth, or even what’s good for them. For the former, then great scientists would have not existed individually to grok what the majority did not. For the latter, obesity, tragedy of the commons – heck, the very existence of an organized state all testify against it. You do realize that humans became less egalitarian as we advanced, right?
Apparently I have become less Gollum-ish.
You think wonder is just incomplete knowledge? Then you have never experienced it, and that is sad. Wonder is the realization that out minds are simplification machines – Kant showed that all thought is reducible to a dozen or do pairs of opposites.
That all of reality can be compassed in a dozen or so pairs of opposites? Realizing that is impossible, is the beginning of wonder.
Your mind may be good at seeing a large number of connections, and synthesizing large body of knowledge in terms of our dozen or so category, but you apparently cannot see the limitations of our mental categories themselves – and that is wonder, of an immensity beyond our limited categories. Religions typically point this out, but it is not at all supernatural or superstition. Philosophy and science arrive at the same truths.
Well, I did admit that agriculture eventually did become more successful than roving bands – just not at first, and it was not apparent it would. Took over a thousand years.
And why assume large numbers were desirable? A small band that is agile and highly mobile, with everyone in excellent health, with access to a wide variety of food and nutrition, free of disease epidemics, and more egalitarian – exchange this for a larger population that is sick, weak, reliant on a single crop this insecure?
Quite a bit of bias is involved in seeing that exchange as a “success”.
Lol, as for women pounding roots, aren’t these the stationary tribe relying on crops you mentioned?
Hunter gatherers need two to three hours per day to obtain food, the rest is spent in play and enjoyment. This is bad, and should be exchanged for a life of toil and labor? I suppose you are entitled to your preferences, but I think most of humanity doesn’t share your inability to enjoy their free time 🙂
What I mean is that all these remote work functions depend on fragile digital technologies. The WEF did a cybersecurity exercise this year, and I’d say some critical failure in digital infrastructure, that isn’t a scare, is probably coming.
That’s why moving to suburbs is meaningless without promoting the local economy and some degree of self-sufficiency, if you want to be more independent from the formal institutions.
Now that I agree with 150%.
Tell you what, the three best and brightest grad students I had were all girls. None of them ever was a feminist. All happily married good guys (I know two of them well). Two already have children (one postponed that for career reasons). All want to be good wives and good scientists, and, as far as I can tell at their career stage, all are successful in both things.
I know a fervent feminist faculty member at my University. She is a mediocre scientist at best. She divorced her husband and never had children. In my book, she is a failure all around.
In my experience good male scientists tend to be good husbands and fathers.
A human being cannot be happy against his/her biological nature. The fight against nature is doomed to failure. Those who aren’t successful in their roles as wife/mother/husband/father are usually unsuccessful in everything else.
LOL. Scotland is still an English colony and it wasn’t so long ago that they voted to remain under the English boot-heel. How pathetic is that?
You set the tone previously, so I have now chosen to reset it.
A lack of comfort in chaos creates the need for projection of order.
I don’t doubt that for a second, but perhaps it is your time to dive down and embrace uncertainty? At the least, the appreciation of contrast will make the true things much clearer.
There was greater ability for expression of differences. Specialisation is amazing, but, to feel whole, you will, at some point, have to return.
Well, you’ve managed to write something I completely agree with.
That may be pathetic, but it’s their choice. When they chose to resist, the English had a far harder time of subduing their small nation.
That’s why you build rail lines along corridors that are zoned for high density (e.g. high rise residential towers, office buildings, multi-story shopping and entertainment areas. I believe Central Street is one of these corridors. But U.S. developers and city governments are usually not capable of such sense.
You’ll be waiting a long long time. It will happen about the same time as pigs start flying.
Also, you might not like a truly honest exploration of HBD.
https://katehon.com/en/article/3d-logos
I have posted this before and the current talk on nature and science merit bringing it up again.
Dugin is in favor of totally abandoning the modernist epistemological project which he sees as the cumulation of nominalism, and proposes a return to realism (and even a Medieval Aristotelian worldview).
Certainly, but you are no less vulnerable. Fear of being controlled can create a projection of the downsides of order.
I am not seeing a dramatic lack of chaos in my existence. Incidentally, one of my jobs was a member of a “tiger team” for emergency situations, so I am relatively comfortable with chaos, and to reimpose some degree of sanity to it.
Why? I’ve always found these axiomatic statements to be entertaining, and this is why I particularly enjoy challenging them. This is like folk logic, but I’m not seeing specialized body plans in evolution revert back into undifferentiated cells. The technology that you are using to communicate is made of ever greater complexity – does this “feeling whole” require the restoration of animal muscle as a primary source of energy?
And what is the importance of this “feeling?” If a society feels strongly against the use of guns, does it make them less dead when guns are utilized against them? There’s an actual example of this, documented in Noel Perrin’s Giving Up The Gun, which documents Japan choosing to stop using guns because it was essentially “ugly” compared to swordplay. Boy, this helped them a lot when Matthew Perry came visiting, didn’t it?
I generally give only slight credence to the notion of human influence, as noted above and before. Tidal forces beyond choice seem to be much more impactful as to what happens.
That probably explains a great deal of foreign policy. Launching wars and remaking places is exciting and sexy and very enticing to narcissistic personalities.
There is no difference, but I wouldn’t put it that way, because that concedes hostile definitions of key terms to the prosecution 🙂
Nihilism is a word invented in the West, which depends on the idea that humans have a higher purpose and destiny, an idea rooted in Judaism and Christianity.
Life as it is now, is felt to be without value, and only this future state confers value. Life is supposed to have “meaning” – something means something, when it points to something else. A symbol means what it points to – it has no intrinsic value.
On one level, this denial of value to life as it is, may be said to be true nihilism. But in the Western tradition, the denial that life has value primarily in terms of it’s future state, and not in itself, is considered nihilism.
If you accept the premise, then the conclusion is depressing, so in the West, nihilism is a negative thing.
But there is no reason one must adopt this mental scheme. In Taoism, life has “value” for itself, as it is now, and not in terms of any future state.
If you accept this premise, them the denial of purpose and meaning is the release into great joy and spontaneity – because you see life as it is now of immense value 🙂
Moreover, since the purpose of human life is not to develop some features at the expense of others, you are not in a war against one half of life and human nature – you are whole, complete, both in yourself, and in your attitude to the universe. This state of radical self-acceptance – and cosmic acceptance – banishes anxiety, eliminates guilt and self condemnation, hatred of others, and frees up ones energies – generally trapped in the anxious quest for survival – to creatively flourish.
In this scheme, death is as welcome as life, and graciously accepted and embraced, and the universe appears immensely beautiful because it is beyond reduction to the simple categories of our minds.
I’m not sure how you get the notion that hunter-gatherers do not have to process food.
https://askinglot.com/how-many-hours-a-day-did-hunter-gatherers-work
This is false, and would be self-evident if you actually studied hunter-gatherers; when a hunter goes out to kill a kudu, do you think that he just immediately finds it, kills it, and comes home to great fanfare? C’mon.
Hungry Brain has a great story of following a Hadza couple as they go through their day. The male has a pretty leisurely life of wandering around the savanna looking for his kudu(he never finds it), eating random berries, smoking out a bee hive, and killing a dikdik. Its fun enough, I suppose, but its not like he doesn’t head out early in the morning and doesn’t come back until the sun begins to dip.
You think people can just magic up 5000 calories in two hours a day? Because 5000 is indeed how many calories they use up a day, these people lead active lives.
You can look up the theory itself debunked:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society
Many have criticized his work for only including time spent hunting and gathering while omitting time spent on collecting firewood, food preparation, etc.
But I choose to recognize the pitfalls of naive realism and build my philosophy on recognizing that it is an error, whereas your tendency has been to deny – or ignore – that it is an error at all.
Well, adopting a standpoint outside of nature, where one regards oneself as observer and nature as object, is to define oneself as separated from what one observes. That is the definition of alienation. The opposite mode of consciousness has been called “participation” – one does not enter into the observer-object dichotomy, but sees oneself as interrelated with what one observes.
So it isn’t a mere assertion, it is defined by the position that we in the West have chosen to adopt towards nature.
You say you are not game to submit to my hackneyed logic, but it is the great philosophical minds of West and East, and the insights of Quantum mechanics, that you must contend with 🙂
They all may be wrong. But you have not showed it.
You’re a closet LEXX fan? Awesome.
The feminist movement was immensely successful in achieving its goals. Whether the achievement of those goals actually benefited more than a small number of privileged upper middle class women is debatable. Whether those goals were ever intended to benefit more than a small number of privileged upper middle class women is also debatable.
But feminism certainly benefited the corporate bottom line.
BTW I’m not one of those knuckle-dragging Unz Review misogynists who wants to take the vote away from women and force women to be baby-making machines (often in the service of some weird fantasies about breeding warriors to fight a race war).
I think some kind of feminism was desirable but I also think that women ended up getting the wrong kind of feminism foisted on them. What they got was a misogynistic brand of feminism that saw men as superior creatures who had to be slavishly emulated and wanted to turn women into men in skirts.
I care not for your misinterpretations just so you can make an argument from authority. You’ve always been a fool for that, but it is a greater foolishness to just project that unto others.
HOWEVER.
I will be able to show that I can add your wildly incorrect “two hours and then PLAY!” notion of hunter gatherers to your wildly incorrect guess of a poster’s identity, your brainless human being who can breathe and have heartbeat without a brainstem, consistent idealization of me as a “depressive Chinese”, and other errors in comprehension and theory of mind.
Also wrong.
Ta.
Could be.
It’s kind of sad that none of these liberationist movements seem to have made anyone happy. I’ve even encountered male homosexuals and lesbians who say that being gay was much more fun when they were closeted and they had their own distinctive subcultures.
So yeah, ideological fervour seems to be a recipe for making people angry and miserable.
We are unlikely to run out of resources. Infinite universe, infinite energy as the universe undergoes accelerating expansion and so on.
We may not know how to gain and utilize those infinite resources, but thats a different problem to solve.
We need brains, be they bioengineered, AI, or conventionally bred. At this point, I’d still bet on birth rates over Malthusianism. Greater concern is that higher intelligence means less breeding which will set off an undesirable feedback loop, but again, different problem.
I think it would be wise to assume that resources are strictly limited to what we have at the moment. Anything else is science fiction fantasy daydreams. You know, like faster-than-light travel, space colonies and stuff like that. Geek wishful thinking.
The Suns have nothing to be ashamed of. Over the years, there’ve been periodic rumors about the Coyotes moving.
That’s a huge gamble. The high birth rate option is very much a massive gamble. What if we run out of resources here on Earth before we figure out how to access those supposedly unlimited resources?
Demographic decline means making a much more realistic and sensible gamble. If the population falls significantly we could conceivably buy ourselves another couple of centuries, during which time we might develop the technology to allow us to reach and access those supposedly unlimited resources.
If we go for high birth rates we’re staking everything on the assumption that our next throw of the dice will be a lucky one. We’re staking everything on the assumption that we’ll develop Star Trek technology soon enough to save ourselves from the collapse of advanced technological civilisation.
And given the fact that we’ve already used up all the easily accessible resources that would be required to build a new advanced technological civilisation we should assume that if advanced technological civilisation does collapse we will never be able to rebuild it. We’ll be facing a subsistence agriculture future.
If you favour the high birth rate option you’d better lay in a big supply of hopium.
This is why we should never see anything in terms of infinite progress, and what we have in the last 300 years could be a one-of-a-kind event that our species will never replicate again. Maybe the WEF understands this and is trying to appropriate what diminishing gains left for our developmental route.
See also Aristoi and Arete.
By chance, I found that Thomas Jefferson also was into this
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/jefferson/#NatAri
Let it cook for a couple of hundred years and we end up with meritocracy, which is another word for nepotism. Research on the topic continues.
The most appropriate level of male/female/transsexual dominance is always based on the existing social and economic structures.
(BTW this is the whole point of Dmitry Orlov and James Howard Kunstler)
Ooga booga white man while Nehru parties with elite Brit girls & EIC is mostly Native troops. Bengal was given to the EIC by Hindu merchants..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karnal – 1000s of cannon apiece – Could the Brits invade this India or even the one today?
You attempt to craft a history where Whites/Christians r omnipotent – a religion of white supremacy, while white elites kneel. Go learn Ukranian
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Some level of female resistant to being ‘breeding machines’ always made sense since child-birth is precarious and multiple women are needed to create a holistic social environment for children.
What happened with feminism happens to any ideology w/o an armed core – enslaved by power.
Culture can buttress the effect, but Japan and France are getting fatter too. A simpler explanation is that market mechanisms are recursively self-optimising, and there is money to be made selling food.
Desire for food is a terminal pleasure – this is the fundamental driver. Culture is a sideshow.
I don’t think I would brag about winning medals for Eternal Anglo.
The Martial Race fought on the side of Anglo-French forces at Beijing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War#Battle_honours
This was Waterloo for the once vaulted Mongol cavalry,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Palikao
But there’s no dishonor in getting slaughtered in a frontal cavalry charge facing the latest European rifle artillery.
At a tangent – is it not funny how much of a big problem Putin and Russian authorities would be in if the disasterous result from flooding that occurred in Germany last week, had occurred during the same heavy rainfall that deluged Krasnodar and Crimea just a few days before? In Krim and Krasnodar they had near identical intensity and volume of rain as in that part of Germany……… but nowhere near the same catastrophic deaths.
Obviously exact comparisons are difficult to do without knowing exact topography, location of certain infrastructure etc…… but the russia areas hit are far more populated than the German ones.
German faggots in charge appear to be using “climate change” as an excuse of their gullible population – which is extremely dumb as this is a huge failure in planning and response from the German authorities. Climate change should only be an issue for increasing frequency of any heavy rainfalls – not for the heavy rainfall itself, which the engineers and government should always be planning for.
No doubt that outright Nazi pillager-clown Reiner Tor will try to use any BS to excuse German authorities incompetence, and these same events have stopped the liberast-dummy Bashibuzuk/Masha from salivating at the flooding in Krim/Krasnodar and deprived him of the chance to attack “the regime”………. probably explaining his retirement from here.
We’re not winning anything for them.
Just showing inferiority of White Christianity
Imagine being shown up in your homeland by a small group of foreigners with a religion barely out of its infancy.
Goes for you too,
Mongols don’t slaughter cows, you do.
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The entire problem, is that we tend to approximate. Phenomena can be simplified in totality – the problem is, most of the really important ones are so complicated, we don’t actually know what they even are “in their entirety.”
So, a sort of cognitive error is made due to this fact – we focus too much on the elements we know, and not the whole picture, because of the missing pieces. Which then makes it harder to find those missing pieces in the first place.
Actually, Japan is perhaps the only rich country to have gotten thinner since WW2. Funnily enough, you actually see this in the movies. I was watching some Ozu movies recently and the women are quite plump by today’s Japanese standards.
France is getting fatter, yes, and also more Americanized.
People have always loved eating, many historical periods food was abundant, especially among upper classes. One might suspect it’s junk food but Japan is awash in junk food, so are many thin countries.
It’s time we end this reductionist thinking and start looking at the entire man. We’ve tried to treat obesity by singling out eating from culture as a whole, treating it as entirely physical, and failed.
Our attempt to “control” it in this fashion has failed. Time to look at the total environment.
Good point, as far as it goes. We tend to simplify beyond even what is necessary (if I have understood you correctly), which creates other problems downstream.
But there is the larger “meta” point – our minds, working at peak performance, even with it’s power multiplied a thousand fold, are necessarily simplifying machines – abstraction is to single out features from a rich matrix. The category “man” is a massive simplification compared to the rich individuality of millions of individual men.
They didn’t listen to me. The three pointer was almost non existent. When will they learn? 🙁
One could argue that Sikhism is the newest “update” to Hinduism, following the monotheization trends of the world.
I wonder if the earliest Judaism started out similarly from the larger Levantine paganism.
Thanks. G-splicing for heavy gravity, often seems to be a transparent excuse for butt-kicking babes. Though in reality, I think such people would look more like Guatemalans. Though, I haven’t seen the show, so can’t tell if it applies.
True. It would probably need to be produced in North Korea and distributed in torrents.
Or maybe, it could be made elsewhere, with a lot of cleverness. Break production up into pieces, so nobody making it realizes just how based it is. Or write a pozzed script and overdub it with based lines.
LMAO at this absurd autistic cretinism.
Quite literally the one thing that the anglos are respected for is having one of the strongest armies in the world, relative to the opposition, at any point in history. The same army, together with a very strong Navy that is well noted for ensuring the biggest land empire in the history of civilisation, strongly defeating other big military powers at the time like Portugal, France and Holland, in important countries like India and South Africa
Different to you, I actually have an international passport, so I have visited Hadrian’s Wall – its a roman era wall on border of Scotland-England. As I understand it, never in history has Scotland taken land south of it, I. E anglo territory – quite rare for 2 relatively small tribes /states neighbouring each other and in frequent dispute
“little Scotland” was in Union with England for several centuries before the British even placed a foot in India.. and
Under British leadership even Bengalis could crush Sikhs.
At the Battle of Gujrat, about 25,000 Brits and Bengalis under the command of sir Hugh Gough crushed 50,000 Sikhs under the command of Sher Singh. After that, Sikhs became servants of the Anglos.
Your boss in Manchester gave you a break from cleaning toilets and allowed you to drive to Hadrian’s wall, Gerard? How nice of him.
Tried watching LEXX when streaming was new. TBH, couldn’t stomach it. Not sure if I lasted quite 5 minutes. Seemed cheesy. Guess I have a low tolerance for some things. It was years before I could bring myself to watch Firefly due to shakey cam.
IMO, due to the niche audience that scifi has, it would take a country about the size of Russia or Japan at a minimum, to make a respectable sci-fi show.
LMAO at this absurd autistic cretinism. Why is this */=#o allowed to comment on here, with this combination of ignorant and willful garbage?
Quite literally the one thing that the anglos are respected for is having for at least 2 centuries until the 20th, one of the strongest armies in the world, relative to the opposition, at any point in history. The same army, (together with a very strong Navy) that is well noted for ensuring the biggest land empire in the history of civilisation, strongly defeating other big military powers at the time like Portugal, France and Holland in important 3rd party countries of huge resource or strategic value ike India and South Africa.
Your statement is even more stupid than those you make on Ukraine…… some “achievement” LOL!
“little Scotland” was in Union with England for several centuries before the British even placed a foot in India.. and it still is. I think the last serious war they even had with Scotland was half a millenium before British even in India. It defies logic you have made this idiotic comparison with India.
AGAIN with the idiocy, English control of Ireland predates control of India by several centuries. To this day, despite Ireland being a contiguous territory, British rule is in fairly large part of North of Ireland. So not only does India /pak/bang all have independent state and not have several more centuries of British rule……. it even did have in 19th century record of showing far more uprising and resistance to British rule than the Irish did against the British……. even though through famine huge part of Irish population killed.
Union with Scotland, though very stable anyway…….. was hugely reinforced by conquest of India and other territories you dimwit. Lots of wealth went directly to Scotland from Indian conquest, and I think that Scottish were disproportionately placed in high positions of power/business on empire territories
Ireland more of outright conquest by British than in India. – British opted for friendly agreements with Indian local leaders, or played various local rulers off against each other…. exploiting the situation. In addition British did assist in stopping millions of Indians being under rule of Muslims. Irish resistance to English during these many centuries, not very successful, very fragmented and they are of course much more culturally assimilated.
What an unbelievably dumb nonsense I am replying to, even dumber than your comment about “stans” in general and numerous other things
Probably the dumbest tactics, even for you, is to try and signal you are in direct “tag-team” partnership with Karlin with such a stupid post,…….. unless…….
You are just trying to incite me to attack the “tag-team” and therefore insult Karlin. But I will refuse to insult this gentleman, who I think understands my robust tactics and we are in a state of equilibrium with eachother.
Also for Karlin, please delete incomplete comment 579
Exactly why are “rules” applied to me on this blog, in the same way they are not applied to this bit of plankton, AP?
They got their reply at Chillianwala
You’re not going to get me to acknowledge Anglo supremacy, especially in today’s world.
I’ll even add that in your mind this proves the eternal superiority of whites & Christianity. To us, it’s a temporary abberation based on local circumstance.
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Yes, precisely.
The economic growth at all costs, population growth at all costs, let’s just use up all our resources as quickly as we can model is reckless insanity.
And the idea that technological progress will continue indefinitely at the breakneck pace of the 19th and 20th centuries my be pure wishful thinking.
We’re actually getting a lucky break. Population decline is happening naturally and we have the opportunity to reduce population to saner levels without any need to resort to inhumane measures and without any unpleasantness.
Fortunately pro-natalist policies are very very unlikely to have any appreciable effect so we’re almost certainly going to get population decline no matter what we do.
We’re not monotheist though..
We’re a revival of the Kshatriya branch of Vedic Dharma
We absolutely do not reject the Gita, Vedas, Upanishida, Sri Ram or Krishna Ji
There’s a reason I don’t much discuss religion or even history here. I just focus on politics since there’s at least a vague familiarity
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I replied on my alt, but it seems you ignored my entire comment. Is this what being a lackey is like?
LEXX is extremely cheesy, but that’s part of its joy: the utter weirdness of the universe, and its own internal logic. I mean, where else do you get undead hippy assassins, giant asteroid-sized insect rivals to humanity, and partially conditioned sex slaves reconditioned into suicide battle slaves all inside a living ship that’s looking forward to giving birth?
Its very, very wild.
Some of my writings have been in that vein.
Khalsa Panth is like a child & as it grows the world feels its might – Guru Gobind Singh
Panth = path, sect or pantheon. We are Kshatriyas not Brahmins. Religio or Religion ambigious term
Hindu is a legal category created by the British, Altan is a better resource for you guys.
To understand Dharma you need understanding of politics, culture & tradition; and ones of your own.
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Reminds me of an American joke: if you think that unlimited growth is possible, you are either mad, or an economist.
Oh man have you re-watched Star Trek or Star Wars lately? It’s like going back and reading your journals from when you were 17 years old. At some point we just have to pitch that stuff into the dumpster and let the reality distortion filters erode our memory.
I agree absolutely.
I didn’t begin with an obvious “fear of being controlled”. I’d give people what they wanted, which was generally some sort of power with only minimal consequences. I thought that they would learn from that and grow with the experience.
When this didn’t happen, I switched to a “fear of being controlled”, while I got sight of where I was going wrong. It is not a good feeling when you bring out the worst in people. I just didn’t realise that, by responding to their fears, I was stoking them. I have since learned a much better way and I don’t think I have the fear anymore at all.
Experiencing things is the surest way to understand them. Your ability to accept “tidal forces beyond choice”, in a logical manner, suggests that you have little to risk from actually experiencing them.
Yet you seem to give almighty credence to your ability to abstract these things via inference and deduction.
Yep. LEXX is so much more fun than most sci-fi TV series. It’s inspired craziness with a willingness to take risks. It’s what science fiction should be – wild imaginative leaps. And it absolutely glories in its cheesiness.
Compared to the turgid politically correct dreck that passes for for most TV sci-fi it’s brilliant stuff.
If you are happy, I am happy for you. I’d just add that you might stay open to experiencing “meaning” for yourself. It may “creatively flourish” from within; especially if you don’t stamp it out every time by referring back to what you have already thought up or read.
Gujrat came after. You don’t know your own history.
Sikhs were formidable against Muslims but didn’t stand a chance against Europeans.
Thanks.
After I left my comment, I was not entirely satisfied with it.
I generally don’t believe in exclusive dichotomies, so choosing between meaning and non-meaning is likely a false distinction.
Meaning and purpose can be used in a variety of ways depending on context.
In the 19th century, people were rebelling against the idea that God has a purpose for us. Since everything is random, mankind cam create its own purpose and become as powerful as it can and dominate nature more and more.
In the 60s counterculture Zen revolution, people denied purpose to rebel against this mechanistic/technological sense of purpose and restore a sense of connection to nature.
But there is a third sense in which purpose and meaning can be used.
One might think that the purpose nature has in store for us is for us – and all of creation – to fit together “rightly”, everything in it’s proper place, and flourish as part of an interrelated web of life.
And the meaning of life is to rightly fulfill our human purpose by fitting into our proper place in the larger scheme of things.
This kind of purpose and meaning is not intrinsically about future development, although insofar as this state is not yet realized it may look to the future with hope and faith. And it is not a story of increasing domination, control, or growth – but a coming home.
It is an important break with both the conventional religious conception of purpose and meaning and it’s mechanistic/technological bastard child, and one perhaps I can support.
But when were they ever really put to the test? 1815 was the nearest run thing when Blücher arriving just in time. When push comes to shove they can always retreat to their island and play alliance games like Diplomatic Revolution before Seven Year’s War. The continental powers don’t have that luxury.
It does make sense to compare because the Scots were always able to maul Anglos such as at Bannockburn and was able to diplomatically outflank with Auld Alliance.
Agreed. Eternal Anglo has got nothing on Eternal Alba
The anthropological consensus is that hunter gatherers worked roughly 5 hours a day to obtain food and process it – this is not true for all, some did less and some more, and under conditions of duress things were different. There are also a lot of hybrid cases and some extreme cases.
You will not find a credible anthropologist today who says the shift to agriculture involved a reduction in work. Whatever the precise number, everyone accepts agriculture meant less leisure and more work.
I would counsel you to be less fearful of being “wrong” – that’s to be fearful of loss of status. Don’t be afraid to have bold ideas and follow where they lead. There is no fear in being wrong 🙂
This desire for security and safety – and that is what a preoccupation with being right is – is another indication that our culture has shifted away from Faustian science.
Well, I mean, we’re all probably going to die so that’s a pretty significant risk but its also entirely possible to accept that. I suppose integrate the Stoic perspective in such; I also often analyze death, its purpose, its evolution, etc.
Yes, I like the ability to see patterns. And in knowing patterns, I suppose, it gives one a potential to influence it, though rarely to one’s specific expectations. Its like, you develop water wheels to help bring up water to an area(a common early usage for water wheels). It so happens that you indirectly create a textile industry, destroy entire cottage industry of seamstresses, accumulate capital to a few owners and doom many teenage or preteen boys to terrible injuries or deaths in the waterwheels, which then provokes a Luddite revolt, which then causes immense government reaction to crush all such movements and many hangings take place. Perhaps all future labor movements in England will then be watched more warily.
That’s unfortunate. You probably couldn’t see that coming. You probably can’t do anything about it. Such was probably the inevitable result of more efficient technology that required high capital investment which then had lower cost-per-unit, so the machine indeed bulldozes whatever human feelings or costs that follow.
But you did get to transfer water upward to an area you wanted!
Well, people have been saying we will run out of resources since what? 18th century?
Yet to see it happen.
Looks like Nauka had a successful launch! Yay! 🙂
Being English, I might add, in agreement with you and AP, that the Navy was always considered the most effective service and source of British power.
For a long time, England even lacked a standing army, and it was always smaller and less professional than most continental powers.
The soldiers tended to be recruited from the jails, and the officers were from the upper echelons, though both were frequently scoundrels in equal measure.
This is not a land fighting military tradition, which compares with Prussia, France, much of Italy or Spain, as they were at various points in history. At one point in the Civil War, the money men of the City of London, basically chased the Royal Army away!
Having said all of that, this odd combination, with even more eccentric military traditions, did manage to surprise and punch above its weight frequently. It also made great use of Highland Scots, as they were, and other barbarian peoples.
The Sikhs performed “admirably” in their wars against the British, but they still lost repeatedly, while being well-equipped, well-supplied, and on home territory.
I don’t know if you can make essential claims about nations as warriors over centuries, but if you can, the Sikhs most certainly do not qualify.
Furthermore, being let into modern Britain out of altruism and pity, also does not qualify Sikhs in this way, though I am laughing that I have to type this.
https://chuckhillscgblog.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/chinese-squid-fishing-vessels.jpeg
Chinese fishing vessels in waters off S. Korea.
Also, Boer soldiers in South Africa (not a terribly professional fighting force) scored numerous victories against the Anglos. They eventually lost only when the Brits brought in 100,000s of troops, outnumbering the Boers 10:1. In contrast, Sikhs outnumbered Anglos and their Bengali allies 2:1 at the battle of Gujrat and were crushed by them.
Anglos were the best naval power, but on land they were very beatable by Europeans. But not by Sikhs.
Honestly, those early victories were more like a total failure of Anglo doctrine, where they seemed essentially unable to counter the commandos who were engaging them effectively with more range, greater mobility and fewer logistical concerns. IIRC Boer artillery pieces were also superior in range, so the entire thing just seemed almost a perfect counter to English doctrine at the time.
But they were very good at propaganda. They managed to create a myth of Anglo martial prowess and managed to persuade people to believe that myth.
They also managed to create a myth of the glorious British Empire, which was in fact a ramshackle anarchic mess held together by bluff. Once the British Empire was challenged it collapsed like a house of cards.
For some “reasons”, Lukashenko as a known human rights champion himself started to do great negative PR campaign about this allegedly real case, which in fact could be very useful as a detterent for potential future migrants who want to fly with Belavia planes to Minsk, lol 🙂 He is trying to paint LT as a literally Nazi country where refugees are being starved, beaten, abused and kicked back and that is exactly what is needed for us atm tbf:
Those” useful reasons” for such negative PR in Luka’s regime strategist heads seem to be the hope to “incite the rise of activity of radical elements inside EU as Brussels is risking to get african and muslim riots not only in LT territory, but also inside other european capitals, where large diasporas are living”:
https://www.belta.by/politics/view/klishevich-fashistskoe-otnoshenie-k-migrantam-grozit-rostom-aktivnosti-radikalnyh-elementov-uzhe-451476-2021/
For some “reasons”, Lukashenko as a known human rights champion himself started to do great negative PR campaign about this allegedly real case, which in fact could be very useful as a detterent for potential future migrants who want to fly with Belavia planes to Minsk, lol 🙂 He is trying to paint LT as a literally Nazi country where refugees are being starved, beaten, abused and kicked back and that is exactly what is needed for us atm tbf:
Those “useful reasons” for such negative PR in Luka’s regime strategist heads seem to be the hope to “incite the rise of activity of radical elements inside EU as Brussels is risking to get african and muslim riots not only in LT territory, but also inside other european capitals, where large diasporas are living”:
https://www.belta.by/politics/view/klishevich-fashistskoe-otnoshenie-k-migrantam-grozit-rostom-aktivnosti-radikalnyh-elementov-uzhe-451476-2021/
I don’t think that they did. The English military would never go into the vaunted degree of esteem that say the Prussians did with their infantry, or even the nigh unbeatable mythos of the Grande Armee. It was just that as an unified whole and with a strong navy, there were entirely capable of projecting force and playing the Great Game, which they did with effectiveness.
And that latter part was certainly not just propaganda.
The ultimate problem with demographic decline is that it is leading to predominately the more higher IQ parts of the population being replaced by a more fertile low IQ one. In Western Europe, it is mainly low IQ natives and migrants who are reproducing where as the middle of the road IQs or higher tier is declining. On a global scale, this means only Africa is heavily reproducing where as the rest of the world is declining (exception is the Middle East as they are sort of stable and so is India – for now)
Point is – demographic decline is not going to save us and usher in a great world of futuristic technology if we just continue to wait. At most, what we will see is a long decline in living standards or a long stagnation if you will, leading to what I call “Global South Africa” – lots of low IQ poverty that is surrounded by high IQ gated communities until finally, the whole thing breaks.
I predict that we will have a new dark age in the West by the next century.
Yes, I literally don’t care about history I live in the present.
I’m glad you came out and said what you finally think, feel
History ain’t over yet, it might be for you and your’s.
Kundli Sap Veer Khalsa Ajay Nahi Mariya – The Coiled Snake (Khalsa) yet remains – Guru Gobind Singh
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I think Sikhs forcing the Brits to treaty on the border of the Sutlej a mere 50 years after losing 60% of their numbers to Abdali speaks to a calibre not shown by any European christian peoples.
You can go on about your vaunted histories, the English white woman can talk about pity or altruism.
Doesn’t really change much, the very fact we’re mentioned among the greats, scathes you. LOL
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Can’t bring myself to rewatch it. For one thing, there’s a lot that is objectionable from a political standpoint. I think it is the first episode of TNG where a guy in a dress walks by in the background. Must have missed it on the CRT.
That’s why I’d like to see something new and better. But with dysgenics, it may be an unrealistic desire to want to see a smarter, more based scifi show. Which is a shame, in a way, because the Left seems to own these things, and I think it would do good if an alternative vision of the future could be mainstreamed.
When a Tatar says he ruled you for ੫੦੦ years, you say so?
That era is over, that’s how I feel about Europeans.
You filthy beast, you live in America do you forget what can happen to you?
LOL.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bijjaichhand/status/1128599391168647170
I am getting the horrible impression that this is how political discussion normally goes on in the subcontinent. I like a lot about the culture, so this saddens me. Why are you acting like this?
I am not sure how to communicate what I mean by “experiencing” them.
Are there patterns which you perceive that you ignore, for whatever reason? The patterns you give are all very material.
I am sorry for the invasiveness of this comment, but it seems to me that I asked you a question about you individually, but you deflected to a grand narrative. That’s interesting for me.
I can’t exactly imagine that China or Russia would produce what you want exactly.
The most I can see offhand would be something like an Russian Day Watch moral with “the individual good rarely coincides with the collective good” which is more of a general collectivism message; the Chinese Dark Forest series made some notes that of letting women be in charge of military matters but that in a quite extreme situation(e.g. the choices were “commit simultaneous suicide-genocide” or “be conquered and hope for the best”, and she chose the latter).
Suggesting racial purity, etc, would probably provoke separatism concerns.
I apologize if I have been unclear, and it’s probably worthwhile defining terms to avoid confusion.
“Meaning” by definition refers to a narrative of some kind. When we ask what the meaning of a word is, we are asking what concept do these symbols refer to. When we ask what is the meaning of your life, we want to know what it is, beyond the experience of mere living, that gives your life value.
So meaning is about those things that are “beyond” the merely “given” – they are cognitive content, concepts, ideas, narratives, that we “add” to the mere fact, to give it value.
As for meaning welling creatively forth in me and me being open to it, I would certainly wish to be and hope that I am, but as to me not referring it to theories that I’ve read, no, once we understand what meaning actually is I don’t think that would be possible – since meaning is a narrative, a concept, an idea – something beyond the mere fact – whatever welled up within me would necessarily draw on and be enmeshed in all the narratives, concepts, and facts I am aware of.
And if something new emerged within me, the most appropriate thing I can think of would be to refer it to other ideas and concepts and narratives I know about.
But I think what disturbs you is that you’ve caught on to a peculiarity of what I described as the meaning of life – that it is to work towards a world where mere existence is “enough, and no meaning is needed 🙂
I was wondering if anyone would notice that.
The basic corpus of Hermetic thought is that what is revealed in the material is true also of the spiritual world, and thus a kind of eternal reality.
As above, so below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_above,_so_below
Its been notably associated with a lot of scientific discovery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism
I was pleased that even recently, the Noble Prize winner Frank Wilczek alluded to its principles. This “cult” yet remains endemic with scientists(perhaps to Aaron’s dismay). This is an excellent podcast incidentally, and I think you might enjoy it.
https://a16z.com/2021/01/25/fundamental-principles-physics-frank-wilczek/
They weren’t always able to do that, sometimes they were on the receiving end of total defeat and invasion.
Anyway, during the Sikh Wars in the 1840s I believe around 2/3 of the Company army was made up of Indian troops belonging to the EIC, the British Army units were around 50% Irish and Scottish in terms of rank and file, Scottish were about 25% of officers and IIRC some of the commanders were also Scottish. The rank and file of the Company’s European regiments were more than 50% Irish, except the European artillery.
Many of the wars of the eternal Anglo after 1700s are like this, with half the strength of the British armies being Scottish and Irish even in English regiments.
The British judged the Sikhs to be one of the top martial races in India, which was based on the Sikh Wars, then the Mutiny/Rebellion (probably some of the fiercest fighting the British experienced in India, the Sikhs were fighting on the British side by then), and during the World Wars.
You’re a woman,
I would’ve backhand you by now.
I don’t have much else to say,
Our culture is Sati.
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I’m not dismayed by this concept at all. I’m familiar with it, and insofar as it denies any absolute cleavage between “heaven and earth” it appeals to my non-dualism.
It is also the basis of Kabbalah, which is basically “theurgic” – repairing this world, repairs the heavenly realm. Much Hasidic ritual and practice is actually designed to “repair” the heavenly realm, which then repairs the earthly realm. Secular Jews took this concept and distorted it into moralistic left-wing agendas of “tikkun olam”, but this has little to do with the original theurgic concept.
Anyways.
While I don’t think this idea is “wrong” – at a certain point a mature mind asks what is right about an idea and is not interested in merely proving it wrong – I think a more developed form of this idea is that the physical and the spiritual are merely two aspects of a single thing, and not actually two distinct realms at all.
But this is just my understanding, and of course everyone is free to disagree.
Your self-conception seems very impersonal, like you’re an independent arbiter of all of your colours. I’d rather that than being stuck in just one, but do you ever get an inkling that they will all eventually come together?
I don’t know much about the Hermetic tradition, but I have typed a few words describing my own experiences into Google from time to time, and found them reflected in PDFs of old Hermetic books hosted on odd servers. I’ll listen to your podcast with interest.
I may also be using the terms incorrectly, but my line of questioning, which I think I am slowly putting into a language that is not merely my own, is whether you utilise “below” as much as “above” to engage with reality?
I find that the two methods match up neatly, which I think is the Hermetic thesis, but I also find that they compliment each other, especially when used at the time, even when walking about.
I also miss so much when I fall into a sort of dissonant distraction, which I do not like, though it is usually something physical, like tiredness, illness or hunger.
I read in one of Charles Allen’s books on India that in the Sikh Wars, a British soldier (non native) was an object of special terror to the Sikhs. They particularly feared meeting them in battle.
I sometimes wonder what the British must have been like during those times. They are so mild today. Occasionally you meet a British person, or other European, who has this kind of steely determination that hints – but merely hints – at the ferocity Europeans must have had in previous eras.
It’s interesting because you never meet “scary” Europeans today – certainly not among the upper classes. Yet once upon a time, such types existed in fairly large amounts.
A different era, different historical circumstances, different point on the civilizational arc – produce different men.
Britain occupied the Sikhs and the Sikhs served the Brits.
Sikhs were probably the best warriors amongst the Subcontinentals but the lot of them weren’t a match for Europeans. Don’t feel bad though, not many were.
I rarely post about you guys because I don’t care much about this stuff too much.
RT Article Falls Short
Re: https://www.rt.com/russia/529803-targeting-opposition-foreign-states/
Excerpt –
The US government, Twitter, Facebook and YouTube targeting of the Strategic Culture Foundation (SCF) occurred beforehand.
Within reason, RT has complained of being selectively targeted for discrimination by the US government and Twitter. Shame on RT for running such shortsighted commentary as the above piece, which is written by someone who props Meduza at his venue unlike the SCF.
“Below” refers to material, day to day things. “Above” relates to spiritual concepts, and in between would be the various bridging things such as concepts, principles, ideas and so on. I think naturally we all have shift between it, e.g. don’t cross the street because a car is coming your way, so you don’t want to get squashed(purely material), don’t cross the street because its a red light and its wrong on principle(more idealistic), don’t cross the street when its red because could cause an accident which is morally wrong and stains your soul(even more idealistic), etc.
I suppose I mostly am concerned not per se about material things, but often concepts involving them, which is why I tend to work with patterns of material things so much. As per our dear utu’s favorite insult for me, it is true that I often have an intensely personal universe of thought, quite divorced from typical material concerns: e.g. I read, as per Seneca, with devotion , often filling notebooks with comments and discussions with the author. I believe in deep engagement to tease out understanding that might be lost from a surface glance. I love the moment of grace, the sense of flow, when playing a piano.
Music might indeed be an excellent example: it is a painstakingly mechanical process – the fingering, the timing, muscle memory, the shifts of the chords, but it is also a profoundly emotional process of notes and feel.
Its a kind of love of the truest kind, complete with sacrifice and mastery: the love you put in to learn the piece, and the love that is returned in the beauty that lilts out.
Dark events require darker explanation. The same stuff that you say about the Iraqi (and other) bombers, could be said about the Nazis, about Jezuits and witch burners, about General Dyer in Amritsar, about Stalin&Co., even – gods forbid – about Khmer Rouge. They were all a sincere (in your words) reflection of their ideology and that ideology was formed by how they lived. E.g. Stalin had a pretty miserable youth, jails, poverty, abuse, his wife dies because of lack of medical care – so his ideology of equality is tinged with a strong misanthropy. Yet, Stalin probably also sincerely believed in equality.
Their public pronouncements and domestic policy are also consistent with that ideology – so there you have it, dark things happen, people die, but the liberal egalitarianism is not at fault. They were sincere, their words were aspirational, it just didn’t work. I hope you would agree that is a bit of a slippery slope. What next? After liberals bomb for peace and economic miracle just about anything would seem permissible to them. And that’s where we kind are today – a really dark place.
I am not conceding your point – there is always a lot of variance in any group, e.g. Rumsfeld was hardly a liberal, but who knows. My basic (biological) position is that people should be judged by what they do, motivations be damned, people can lie, change mind, etc… An open-eyed New Yorker quoting liberal who goes around the world killing people is not excused because he can feign sincerity. Once you concede space for good intentions we are done – morons and hypocrites can also have good intentions. I agree with one thing: we are at a precarious point in human history because the liberal elites that have acquired an almost complete power are unhinged and can only be controlled by an equal opposing force. That usually gets bloody and these days the blood and muck could be the least of our problems.
Ferocity and effectiveness can be two very different things. The Prussians were, if anything, often known for ridiculous discipline which included submitting to beatings, until they reached a near mechanical precision in movement(indeed one amusing thing was that at a time when many European militaries were staffed by prisoners, Prussians were not – but they treated their normal soldiers with unbelievable severity, akin to the punishment of criminals at times). I’ve read much about them, but I’ve not heard much ever been said of their ferocity. But as to their effectiveness…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_K%C3%B6niggr%C3%A4tz
That’s effectiveness: evaporating the entire armed force of your opponent in a few hours.
But no, not particularly fierce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leuthen
This was the Emperor after he personally led a force half the size of the enemy to execute yet another example of a near total victory(wiped out a third of the entire enemy force):
What Napoleon said of the difference between warriors and soldiers greatly applies.
Incidentally, this is also why scattered groups like your beloved hunter-gatherers cannot succeed against organized states.
That can never be the case – Washington trained them, there is also the money thing. He can’t trust them fully.
Crimea has all you listed and more. Plus the way it was going, US Navy and Air Force would have it all to themselves unlike the bases in Turkey, Greece or Italy. You also overthink it – strategic planners take areas and places when they can. There is no way a geopolitician in Washington wouldn’t salivate over taking control of Crimea and getting the Russian Navy out of there. I would go as far as to claim that with Crimea firmly in Nato hands, Russia would be about 20-25% weaker. That is a lot when you have evenly matched adversaries. And it was 2014, Russia was weaker then.
Bottom line is that Nato went for Crimea and lost. They are very angry, it may not be reversible. They screwed up, moved too fast, too clumsily, gave an opening to Russia and lost initiative. It was a tipping point. I am just not sure to where.
I wouldn’t mix Germany into it, they don’t do stuff any more. And sorry about missing China sarcasm – it is easy, happens to me a lot too (I am rarely serious).
That’s true in a sense. Even today, many “baby-faced”, mild mannered men make the most calm under fire and terrifyingly effective soldiers.
But to be a a good soldier you do have to have certain psychological qualities – among them, stubbornness, drivenness, will to victory, relentlessness, willingness to suffer, which collectively amount to what I would call ferocity.
Skill, superior tactics and organization, etc, are obviously of supreme importance, but without these psychological qualities, will not be effective. And armies invest considerable resources in selecting based on psychological qualities before they invest in developing skills.
Now ferocity is not always crudely apparent. A man may be mild mannered and polite to everyone around him yet have this inner quality of ferocity in battle. The Japanese economic miracle post-war has been attributed to a kind of ferocity, yet most would not recognize it as that at first.
What I read about the Sikh attitude to the British soldier, indicates more than a reaction to superior tactics and skill, which might inspire caution and respect, but not the kind of personal terror one may experience in the face of a relentless and implacable foe for whom one is no match. It has a personal quality to it.
Yes, hunter gatherers cannot succeed against skilled organized armies. That is true. But what happens when the type of societies that produce skilled organized armies create demoralized soldiers suffering from anomie and despair? The verdict is not yet in long term.
Lol, I am, unfortunately, not self-aware enough to answer your question. I don’t really have much insight into my own character.
I just say what’s on my mind. Whether I will ever unite all my colours, is something that either will happen, or won’t 🙂
But thank you for providing me with an outside perspective on myself 🙂
That’s very funny for me. For some time, I felt like my perception was upside down to everyone else. This perception then became a sort of left and right, before settling into the scheme you describe. When I read your phrase, I just unthinkingly assumed it would have fit the way I had perceived it as, but you have reminded me of how much things have changed. Thank you!
The rest of your post sounds lovely, but, I still wonder if there are things which you sense, but which you ignore, and I feel there are plenty of surprises yet.
I’m nearly totally ignorant of Russian media, but I’ve watched a fair number of Chinese movies. Interestingly, I can’t recall seeing a single Chinese ethnic minority depicted by an ethnic actor, or at least a visually distinct one.
From an entertainment standpoint, I’m not opposed to seeing such minorities depicted in non-pozzed stories. Though, purely from a future perspective, I do worry about the inability of Russia and China (or nearly any country) to articulate what is happening to the West, right now.
But worst of all is the West’s lack of ability. IMO, it would take mass propaganda to turn things around, which seems to suggest no correction is possible, short full economic collapse.
Is the movement to sign up women for the draft in the US, purely about the tranny insanity, or does it have another origin? Maybe, moving to compulsory service, for purposes of indoctrination or economic reasons. Or the brass feel that so many are unfit that they would need to draft women in order to fight a war.
I would never put forward a manichaean scheme based on good and evil. Your consistent need for those concepts feels painful to me. Perhaps you confuse my use of the word “dark” for “evil”, when I just see it as “the absence of light.”
Even if your dichotomy felt real to me, given a choice, I’d rather see myself as “evil”, than the outside world, thankfully I don’t have to.
Unfortunately, I disagree with everything you wrote, and I think I already answered it in my previous comment. I am, therefore, happy with my previous answer, as you possibly are with yours. This is also why, rather than try to logically restate my point, I have communicated it in a completely different manner. I wonder if you would be able to do the same?
I think its just part of the usual process that once a new group gains rights, it will agitate it for ever more. On a completely selfish level, its possible too that feminist organizations need to keep picking fights in order to maintain their viability, including funding from donations, etc. If people are paid to find problems, by God they will.
And even if the final verdict comes in on the side of organized armies, what can we learn about the good life, and the creation of societies in which we might find life fulfilling, from the fact that hunter gatherers are happier?
As I said above, this need not be a choice, but an opportunity to reach a higher integration without sacrificing defensive robustness.
And might humanity as a whole, evolve toward certain conclusions about the good life, that makes the old question of military defense irrelevant? In other words, the problem is one in which one group may choose peace, but if another chooses war, the first group will be defenseless (or differences in skill based on social organization) . But might it be possible to envision humanity uniting and evolving as a group, rendering the problem obsolete?
Certainly, that is a dream at the moment. But if we do not let ourselves be guided by our inmost desires and feelings, we will only be left circling the drain with a sense of tragic “necessity”.
Oh, no, Aaron. I think its quite important that you know that you are wrong, that you continue to be wrong, and that you refuse to learn from being wrong while conveniently making up quotes via your LSD-invoked self-initiation into guruhood to justify your wrongness after your failures in life. A mature mind indeed.
And it so happens that a synchronicity has happened that allows me to elucidate it fully, and this will unfortunately require me to discuss an aspect of my life that I usually try to keep veiled, but I think I can be forgiven for this once.
A friend of a friend lost a dog. She was walking it and it wrangled out of the collar suddenly, then fled away from her; for some reason, the yorkie just wanted to run from everyone. She ran after it barefoot for forty minutes in the rain but wasn’t able to catch it; later, others were able to find it, but it kept running away until it was lost into a forest into the night. Dogs lost after 24 hours tend not to be found, unfortunately, especially dogs that have just wrangled out of their collars which would identify them.
When I was told this, I did not, as I imagine you might do, explain about the bliss of life and how everything was exactly the way it should be. I did not preach the virtues of nonstriving and acceptance of losing a family member. Instead, I asked for some basic information to create a foci, and without telling her or anyone else, and because I am more than slightly acquainted with the deeper arts of the Hermetic order, cast a spell to try to restore lost dog to her.
This morning, she found the dog suddenly and all was well. I am very happy about that, and hope that she will learn to use a harness instead of a collar so that it won’t be able to wrangle out and away.
I don’t know if my spell did anything to help her. There’s no way any of us here will be able to know. But if it did, consider this: I did indeed, exhibited an act of will and an act of effort to control the universe. I utilized striving. And you know what? Quite a few more people are happy because of it. I did not need a sense of “lack of security” to motivate me; I simply felt that it was a good thing to do, because it is a good thing to do.
And this is where your wrongness plays into it. Because you are not only philosophically vapid, tattering around the bits and pieces of various names and thought systems like so many colorful rags to hide your essential nakedness, but you actually and without regret, provide misinformation and falsehoods. And while it may not matter to you because “everything is true in its own way,” these things can actually hurt real people, as can the lack of action actually hurt real people.
There’s a lot of people like this, take this fellow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Gr%C3%B6ning
And while their particular branch of self-psychology may help them, may be, as you say, your medicine as various other brands of self-deception may be, when it comes to relating into this world, it can indeed cause real harm or forgo the ability to provide actual good. People die and their families are not all at peace with it just because it might give you comfort to think so.
And that, I think, might be a good reason to challenge and question “your understanding”, if you indeed have the vaunted courage you like to brag about.
I am happy the dog story ended up well.
You are attributing to me extreme positions that are not mine, because you have an innate tendency to think in extreme dualistic terms – I do not reject any attitude or action in it’s proper measure and place, and instead of radical choice, I “stack” attitudes and actions in an interlocking hierarchy.
There is no reason taking all reasonable efforts to remedy a situation, even at great effort and cost, is incompatible with an attitude of radical acceptance of life and the knowledge that all is well in the end.
Of course one should try to save a dog. But someone who is crushed by the loss of a dog (or a loved one), and cannot see it in it’s proper perspective, is someone who is set up for extreme suffering in life. Encouraging such an attitude is the true cruelty.
You may have saved the dog this time, but it will eventually die – failing to cultivate the proper attitude to life, you have at best delayed suffering, and perhaps made it more acute when it finally comes.
It goes even deeper than that. Cultivating a persistent attitude of refusal to accept the negative side of life and integrate it into a higher vision leads to ever escalating levels of anxiety and disengagement from life. It leads ultimately to a stunted life. I have seen this happen in the modern world where our culture encourages you to demand maximum security from the negative side of life.
One of the things that ultimately turned me off from conventional religion is that so much of prayer is asking God to save your skin and materially benefit you, whereas in my view true spirituality is about developing a perspective beyond excessive self-interest.
What you offer is illusory and temporary, contingent and “lower level” happiness that cannot compare to the ultimate serenity – even ecstatic joy amid setback and suffering – that a higher perspective that integrates good and bad and transcends excessive self-preoccupation offers.
I am sorry to say it, but you are, in the end, shallow.
Nevertheless, I am a staunch believer in everyone doing the best they can according to their level. There are those who cannot achieve the serenity and joy of a higher vision. They are doomed to suffer, trapped in their minds, and their best chance at amelioration is to frantically try and stave off every evil without achieving any larger-minded acceptance and integration. I do not judge, and everyone does the best they can as far as they can understand. I have infinite compassion for these people and do not mock them.
In Buddhist and Taoist spiritual traditions, novice adepts often strive after miraculous powers similar to your spell casting because such powers offer an immediate benefit. But the traditions all warn that this is a trap, and one should transcend such concerns. There is a much higher level to reach.
I would also be careful about spell casting if I were you – you don’t know what you unleash.
Ah, so you are as cowardly as you are unimaginative. But I should have expected that already of you.
All Great Powers engage in propaganda. I certainly wasn’t suggesting that the British were the only ones who did so. But I think that British propaganda was remarkably successful and effective, and was done with considerable subtlety. The propaganda of other Great Powers seems crude by comparison. British propaganda was directed both at their own population, and their subject populations. And it was also directed very much at the Americans.
They managed to convince the British lower classes (who were treated with loathing and contempt by the ruling class) that they benefited from the Empire. They managed to convince the world at large that the British Empire was a benevolent and civilising endeavour and that it was the result of wisdom and a sense of duty, rather than the ill-judged, cynical and hypocritical undertaking that it really was.
They managed to a surprising extent to convince Americans of all this, which was necessary since the Empire was an absurd luxury which Britain could not afford and was incapable of defending. Americans at the time, and to a surprising extent today, actually believe that Britain was up to 1914 the most powerful nation on Earth when in reality Britain was the least powerful of the 19th century Great Powers and was governed by half-wits.
Corelli Barnett’s books provide an eye-opening view of the reality behind the illusion.
It was largely bluff. They had a huge navy but it was not huge enough to defend the Empire. In the First World War it was the Imperial Japanese Navy which defended the British Empire. The British navy was strong enough to contain the German High Seas Fleet (despite the tendency of British capital ships to explode if you looked sideways at them) but could not defend the Empire as well.
Propaganda was an essential component.
The British had to sell their propaganda to the Americans because they were dependent on American money and American military assistance. By the late 19th century British industrial might an illusion. Having industrialised first they had a backward disorganised inefficient industrial sector. The British were only able to fight the First World War successfully because they were able to persuade Canadians, New Zealanders, Australians, Indians and Americans to shed their blood for the sake of the British Empire. And because they were able to persuade the Americans to pay for Britain’s war efforts.
They did the same thing in 1939. They became involved in a war they could not afford to fight and were laughably incapable of fighting but they persuaded the Americans to pay the bills and shed American blood for them.
Deigin’s molecular/genetic arguments pro the lab leak hypothesis are simply incompetent. And he is wrong on Ivermectin: The preponderance of evidence is that it is clearly very useful. Don’t know about prophylactic effect but it’s almost certain taking Ivermectin immediately after onset of symptoms very significantly alleviates the severity of the disease (2-4X effect).
Heck, the evidence is very strong that even HCQ is better than nothing: Clear 30-40% effect on duration (but, again, like most antivirals, it has to be taken early to have any effect).
African birth rates are plummeting.
Is that really true? I know it’s an article of faith among rightoids that the poor are breeding like rabbits, but is it true?
And immigrant birth rates start falling rapidly among the second and third generations.
Demographic decline will not save us on its own but it’s an essential component of any strategy with any chance of saving us.
Probably, but high birth rates would hasten the coming of the new Dark Age.
Another paragraph detailing this might be great. In Stephen Skinner’s book on the Greek Magical Papyri he states around 1/3 of the spells are for recovering lost or stolen property and he has a great story about using one of them and recovering his stolen property. Not in the book. It was in a book promotion talk he gave at a London bookstore which I saw on the internet.
I agree, Ivermectin seems like it works against Covid-19. This podcast discusses it, and also covers a lot of good points about problems with the way in which drugs are approved and their effectiveness is evaluated.
https://podcastaddict.com/episode/125897674
I’ve read several of her books. They’re fascinating stuff. She’s well worth reading. I was somewhat blown away by her The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age. And Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition, her most famous book, is one I’d highly recommend.
You can never think about the Renaissance the same way again after reading her books.
To know, to will, to dare and to be silent is an injunction, I fear.
Franz Bardon is quite excellent, however.
There’s a reason why Hermeticism often used the term of the Sacred Science and it is so heavily associated with science. One common belief is that the mysteries to be revealed, what is known casually as occult, is simply knowledge that is to be learned from the record of God. So things such as chemistry, physics, etc – all of the manipulations of nature, are ultimately understandable and it is to the honor of Man, inheritor of the Divine Flame, to understand it and so become closer to God.
And so this knowledge, and all of its attendant benefits, have thus evoked and “unleashed,” if one wishes to use that word.
Every sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic and all that good stuff.
Yep. There are no feminist battles that need to be won and there haven’t been since the 1970s. The LGBT crowd got everything any reasonable person could want by the 80s. But all those “activists” want to stay on the gravy train. So they keep inventing meaningless new battles that supposedly have to be fought.
The main objective of these movements is to ensure a continued flow of money into the pockets of the leaders of the movement and those full-time activists who are otherwise unemployable.
You made a very creditable performance on this thread, and revealed a deeper side of your personality – I’m proud of you 🙂
Good job overall.
1) African birth rates are not declining. Not by any stretch of the imagination. It is the only region that is predicted to continue growing (and on a heavy basis) well into the 22nd century.
Some African countries have crazy TFR rates like 7.0. Education and globalisation has not really creaped into Africa on a large scale yet. So we are not going to see a large scale drop in fertility rates there anytime soon. Coupled with a strong desire to migrate to the West (most refugees come from Africa these days), it is quite easy to see the picture that a century from now, Europe really is going to be New Africa.
2) It is very true. I come from the UK and I have seen it first hand. Only the natives on welfare and the migrants are having lots of kids because quitre simply – they can afford to. It is quite common in Britain to hear of “Grandads 30th birthday” for example. In comparison to middle class parents who are just squiring out their first at the age of 40.
So yes, we are going into idiocracy regardless. That isnt a myth.
3) Honestly I do not think technology will save us in the long run. Technology can only go so far before it becomes a burden and it is already starting to show its limitations. The law of diminishing returns they call it.
4) Since Africa shows no signs of slowing down, the dark age is all but inevitable. Literally.
That is one thing and the WEF’s radical plans another.
If depopulation is to happen it should be one prospective mother at a time, without starving the existing population.
I’d think that the biggest variable is whether there’s a market economy or not. Also in the case of a relatively small country like North Korea international sanctions and striving for a complete autarky are probably very bad. Their longer term effects are more difficult to predict for a very big country like China.
BTW since past military organization has been talked in the thread, I suspect the WEF is planning for (and likely directing US neocon policies towards) a WWIII with China. War is an effective means of depopulation especially since WWII has shown us how industrial genocide and weapons of mass destruction can be deployed, in a large scale. The optimal outcomes for the WEF will be entire swaths of Eurasian and American land, with their Billions, wiped off the map, possibly through MAD, industrial genocide or infrastructural collapse leading to famines and pandemics. Martin Armstrong’s models have located the war in the 2025-28 period and after that likely comes a demographic bottleneck, possible due to societal collapse in the aftermath of such a war.
Actually it’s a proper plane with the components assembled, but none of it is tested and so they estimated first flight to happen in 2023. It’s a prototype, and they have explicitly stated that this specific plane is going to fly at some point. Given how much sense it does make for Russia to produce it (both for exports and for the Russian Air Force) I doubt it will be canceled. At least it has a decent chance of serial production by 2030.
The engine was probably still the old AL-41F1, but by the time it enters production (and perhaps already the first flight) it’s going to be the Izdeliye 30.
NK boomed in late 50s but that was due to massive reconstruction efforts and before Pak did his things. After that it stagnated and we all know what happened in the 90s.
From my past libertarian learning, I’d say only the market economy can produce economic efficiency. Dirigism can be a drag on the economy and anything central planning does is subpar. But real life economic regimes, like Japan’s, don’t easily fit into economic typologies.
Personally I’ll say (if things had continued in the pre-2020 trend) China would never converge with SK level per capita, since there would still be a large low-productivity resource sectors catering for strategic needs (like in the old Soviet system), as well as state sectors and dual bureaucracy that only serve as ballast. Total convergence is not necessary when, by sheer size, you can challenge the US, and your main strategic goals are in Eurasia.
But then we have COVID and now the Great Reset, who knows whose economy won’t go the post-socialist way because entire economic systems are dislodged.
The true cause of the war will be that these soldiers are patrolling the same roads in the same country. The Americans are there illegally, and also it’s a country which has always been a Russian ally since independence, or at least the 1950s, so to me it’s pretty obvious that they shouldn’t be there. If they were illegally in Mexico (which has always been in the American sphere of interest) I’d understand their reasons for being there, but illegally entering someone else’s sphere of interest makes them bear sole responsibility for any future escalation.
You rarely post because your mind is occupied by the mental illness called being Ukranian.
You need to cling to your Germanic dads & hope to be accepted as ‘white’
You literally think Warriorship is eternally contingent on one conflict, after decades of civil wars.
This type of goading is retarded because it can only be done online, in person there’s the Kirpan||
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Sorry for lack of new poasts in recent days, recently busy with some documents. But it seems like you people are having a fun time in the meanwhile. 🙂
Didn’t you once say that you were at 125,000 ppm Judaism?
Anyhow, as you well know, it’s typically only full Jews who say they are Jews on Russian censuses. Both Moscow’s and Saint-Petersburg’s population peaked at ~5% Jewish during the 1920s, even in 2010 Moscow was at 0.5% (>1% in its central parts). Between that and assimilation, I don’t even think my 3% admixture is extremely atypical relative to the average ethnic Russian Muscovite (who I would guess is something like 1% Jewish).
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kireev/2901613/785429/785429_original.png
I haven’t read all of your conversation (nor do I plan to), but while AP isn’t a bodybuilder, he has a handsome Nordic visage and a perfectly healthy BF percentage. He also has a family, lives in a very nice part of the US, and has what I assume to be a successful and well-remunerated career in the medical field, so you’re not going to get far with the “simping” allegations.
If you are not lying about your physique, then my unironic congratulations, that is a real accomplishment and puts you above 90% of redpill/manosphere Internet people. But so far as your comments here are concerned, they are that of a simplistic maozuo, which seem to be driven by a sense of alienation from the society that you live in (not an uncommon sentiment amongst kids brought to the West at a young age, as I admittedly well know) as opposed to genuine historical inquiry. This intersects with /pol/ style shitposting and weird and irrelevant claims about how many women you’ve bedded (while strangely not realizing you were talking to a woman even though this was obvious to most any casual observer).
That’s how it will happen. Nobody is going to try to achieve depopulation by starvation or genocide or
(according to bizarre rightoid conspiracy theories) vaccinations. That won’t happen because it would have a negative effect on corporate profits and the mega-corporations are not going to permit that to happen.
And it’s unnecessary since birth rates have already plummeted or are in the process of plummeting globally.
Today it is now 10 years after the Utøya massacre. In recent weeks this has been a key theme in Norwegian media. Across the country public figures are making speeches. The victims stories are retold, in addition to extra focus on their experience afterwards. “Never again” are among the words often mentioned in speeches and articles.
Since the attack multiple films and series have been made on the event.
https://www.nrk.no/kultur/anbefaling_-22.-juli-filmer-og–serier-1.15499438