Global Times: China may reward families with more children next year: demographers.
China may reward families with a second child or more next year to arrest its dropping fertility rate, and the family planning policy will undergo fundamental changes, Chinese demographers said.
Their remarks came after reports that China’s National Health Commission (NHC) is studying the possibility of rewarding families with more children. …
Although not immediately confirmed by the NHC as of press time, demographers interviewed by the Global Times on Thursday said that they believe China may introduce incentives to families the next year, if not sooner, considering the drop in new births.
Demographer He Yafu told the Global Times that the NHC’s study was said to only target families having a second child and not those with three or more children, and it’s very likely that China will officially introduce the policy next year.
It’s funny to see China going from a rigid One Child Policy to Russian/Hungarian-style pro-natalism within the space of no more than four years.
However, such turnarounds aren’t exactly unprecedented in the history of Communist regimes. Mao was a pro-natalist. The One Child Policy was adopted in 1979, three years after the death of the Great Helmsman. (Still, even that reversal was quite tame by the standards of, say, Ceausescu’s Romania).
Anyhow, there’s considerable confusion even over the current level of Chinese TFR.
- The Ministry of Health and Family Planning claims that it is around 1.5-1.6 children per woman, and has been so since the mid-1990s. This is the figure that is most often quoted in the media.
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The National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) presents much more pessimistic figures stretching back to at least the turn of the millennium: 1.24 in 2017, 1.29 in 2016, 1.05 in 2015, 1.18 in 2010, 1.33 in 2005, and 1.22 in 2000.
This is a rather huge discrepancy, especially for such a major and central country. (I admit to being amazed that isn’t that much data on this topic, though one would might think it’s far more important than 98% of what the Blue Checkmark pundits blather on about).
FWIW, my personal assessment is that it is the latter, more pessimistic figures that are correct.
Three separate lines of evidence for that:
1. Census data
Guang-zhou, Wang & Chong-hui (2010): New fertility changes and characteristics from the sixth population census in China:
However, does such a low fertility rate present the true picture of the situation in China? In fact, debates regarding China’s fertility level have existed for a long time, especially after the 2000 census, because serious inconsistencies were found between the results of the National Population and Family Planning Commission and the survey results of the National Bureau of Statistics. Specifically, the total fertility rate of the 2000 census was 1.22; however, the National Population and Family Planning Commission as well as the Study of National Population Development Strategy believed the total fertility rate to be about 1.8. The total fertility rates from the surveys of the National Bureau of Statistics and the National Population and Family Planning Commission were between 1.4 and 1.6 thereafter; however, a gap remained between the level of TFR recognized by the National Population and Family Planning Commission and the actual survey results. The 2006 survey results of the National Population and Family Planning Commission was the only exception: This survey found the total fertility rate to be 1.87, which was close to the level consistently recognized by the National Population and Family Planning Commission.
Previous studies have found that the fertility level of rural childbearing-age women is consistently higher than that of their urban counterparts due to the dual urban-rural structure of China’s family planning policy and regional differences in the process of fertility transition. The fertility level of childbearing-age women with primary (or below) education levels are higher than that of those with middle school (or higher) education levels. The 2000 census data showed that the total fertility rate of rural childbearing-age women was 1.43, and the total fertility rate of these women with primary (or below) education level was 1.49. Given that the proportion of urban citizens was greater than 45%, we can infer that the total fertility rate of childbearing-age women should be less than 1.43 from the 2000 national census. Furthermore, it was virtually impossible to have a total fertility rate higher than that of rural childbearing-age women (1.49) with primary (or below) education level. In addition, the 2010 census revealed that the total fertility rate of rural childbearing-age women was 1.44; based on these data, we conclude that the fertility rate of childbearing-age women in 2010 should be less than 1.44. Moreover, it was virtually impossible to have a total fertility rate higher than that of rural Chinese childbearing-age women with primary (or below) education levels (1.64 in 2010). In addition, the 2010 census data regarding age structure can be used to indirectly estimate the history of changes in the fertility level of childbearing-age women from 2000-2010. This estimation shows that the fertility rates in 2000, 2005, and 2010 were approximately 1.34, 1.43, and 1.29, respectively. In short, a conservative estimate based on the available data showed that the total fertility rate in 2010 should be less than 1.44, and the chance of it being higher than 1.64 is minimal.
2. Studies consistently show that China has very low desired fertility even by developed world standards.
Basten, Stuart & Quanbao Jiang (2015) – Fertility in China: An uncertain future
As Hou et al. (2014) report, the mean desired number of children in 63 studies of urban fertility preferences in the period 2000–10 was just 1.50 (SD 0.25). The mean in 52 studies in rural areas over the same period was 1.82 (SD 0.36). While a number of caveats should be made about equivalence across studies in these meta-reviews, and about respondent bias (see Basten and Gu 2013, pp. 29–31), these findings appear to be robust. They are consonant with the results of other qualitative studies (e.g., Nie and Wyman 2005) and with data from nationally representative surveys.
Assuming a 50/50 urban-rural split, China’s desired fertility rate would be equal to Germany’s, which is the least breeder-ish country in the EU, along with Austria.
Alber, Jens, Fahey, & Saraceno (2007) – Handbook of Quality of Life in Enlargement Europe. For comparison, current figure for both Russian and American women is around 2.2-2.5 children.
In post-traditionalist societies, there is usually at least a 0.5 child shortfall between actual fertility, and desired fertility. This suggests that we should expect China to have a TFR of around 1.25.
3. Comparison with countries with not too dissimilar demographic profiles.
The Chinese population pyramid should be somewhat similar to Iran: Both countries saw strong demographic expansion prior to the 1980s, then a massive slowdown as the effect of family planning policies kicked in (e.g. Iran was projected to have a population of 122 million in 2025 by the UN in the 1980s; its current population is just 80 million, and is highly unlikely to exceed 100 million during this century).
Current TFR of Iran is around 1.7 children per woman, at a birth rate of 19/100,000. China’s birth rate has been 12/100,000 since the early 2000s. This again makes it consistent with a TFR that is 0.5 children lower than the oft quoted figures.
If this is all true, then China should have really moved from One Child Policy to pro-natalism at least a decade ago, if not two.
I wonder if the reason it didn’t could have had anything to do with the leadership not getting clear signals that Chinese fertility had already fallen into the doldrums by the turn of the millennium.
As I understand it, the One Child Policy was itself inspired by the neo-Malthusian gloom of those times, adjusted for Western intellectual trends coming a decade late to the Communist world; Paul R. Ehrlich had published his famous(ly wrong) book Population Bomb a decade earlier, in 1968. The CPC may also have been concerned about industrial gains getting eaten by population growth. A more human capital-centered/biorealistic viewpoint on the economy might have helped them escape this trap, and China today might have 1.6 billion people instead of 1.3 billion, and a younger population.
EDIT: Commenter Cicerone has a very good argument why the Ministry of Health and Family Planning figures (TFR = 1.6) are the more accurate ones after all.
In Iran, it’s a similar situation.
I read the Iran government reversed policy from 2014, and were soon able to probably recover to TFR almost 2 per women in the last year.
By the way, what is ideal fertility rate for most countries? Surely in monoethnic county, perfect rate is 2.1 – steadily distributed over decades, so that there are not echoing waves, and everything relating to budget of country can be easily planned.
Even the Iranian birth rate and still more TFR you cite are impossibly low based on census results. Much more so the lower versions of the Chinese figures, because in China the numerous cohorts long ago passed beyond child bearing age.
Boomerific sneering at concern about overpopulation is not a good look.
what is ideal fertility rate for most countries?
Depends upon the country, D. For some it would be zero, others it would be 12-14.
From a national perspective (barring some specific but now largely irrelevant situations, such as climbing out of a Malthusian trap), the more the merrier: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/superpower-demographics/
At current trends, the population discrepancy between Israel and Iran may go from 10:1 to just 2:1 at the end of the century.
Financial incentives don’t work, other countries have tried. Nor does extra maternity leave, child care, better wages, lower cost of living, housing prices, etc. Countries with those things still have abysmal native birth rates.
The main cause of low birthrates is women’s education and gender equality. In wealthy societies, women (and many men) just don’t want kids no matter how much support they’re given. So the problem is more cultural than anything else.
People in developed countries tend towards permanent adolescence, fear of family responsibilities, and a fantasy that life is about having fun and doing whatever you want, and kids just chain you down. I catch myself thinking this way too, but then I remind myself that life was probably 95% work for all my ancestors.
I vaguely recall having read a few years ago that China’s supposed gender imbalance wasn’t as bad as expected, because many people in rural areas just hadn’t reported their daughters to the authorities at birth, thereby bypassing the one child rule. So I wonder how reliable any fertility rates data from China could be.
very good article. Another point which backs up the low estimate is that is likely that China has a TFR similar to that of South Korea or maybe even Singapore for cultural reasons.
All in all currently it seems that East Asians are on their way to non-existence. 21th century will see a lot of East Asian wealth, 31th century will maybe see no East Asians at all.
when I am in China I always see those grandmothers with their one (!) grandchild in the park. That implies low fertility.
The age strucures of Iran and China are too different to make that comparison. China had a TFR of 6 until around 1970, while Iran kept that rate until 1990, so Iran’s population is much younger than China’s.
But anyway, here’s my take on it:
The only official and annual data China publishes on births that I am aware of is in their Statistical Yearbook. There they keep a time series on the crude birth rate:
http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/ndsj/2017/html/EN0202.jpg
In 2016, this was 12.95 per 1000 people.
Now my idea is, instead of comparing this crude birth rate to Iran, why not compare it to a similar age structure as China actually has? The UN in its world population prospects have a best guess of their age structure, and conveniently deliver their estimate of the crude birth rate and total fertility rate as well. For 2016, they give a CBR of 12.0 per 1000 and a TFR of 1.65 children per woman. This means that hypothetical, with a TFR of 1.0, their CBR should be 7.38. But in reality it is 12.95.
So taking the data from the two sources, we get 12.95/7.38 = 1.75 children per woman. This would be my best guess for China’s TFR at the moment.
I have heard hunter-gatherers only worked 4 hours a day. Also people in medieval Europe had much more free days than today. They had (religiously motivated) parties all the time.
Assuming country has not reached already ideal population density, or is not threatened by war, or superpower rivalries.
But let’s say in case of country like Norway, where they have no military threats and their borders and relations with their neighbours are stable.
Perfect situation would seem to me where fertility rate maintains perfectly constant population. And immigration policy could be set to allow no more people in than leave.
In such a situation, everything would be very easy to plan, dependency ratio would remain always constant, and all kinds of budgets, from school funding to healthcare and pensions, could be predetermined years before.
Discussion sounds a little out of place now, where almost no industrialized country can maintain fertility rate of 2.1.
But in the next century or so – by then children will be produced for order in artificial wombs, and fertility rate could be easily raised or lowered by government.
I think high real estate prices are as big of a factor as gender equality.
Isreal is only able to achieve such demographics because they are using Orthodox Breeder Jews that do nothing but pop out kids and collect welfare.
This is completely unsustainable and these Jews are lower IQ as well.
In 50-100 years in the future (whenever it happens), when babies are produced to order by private companies using artificial wombs – fertility rates will likely naturally start to rise towards 2 again.
In such a case, a government could also subsidize this part of the cost, or even for companies to bring up the children for the first few years. It will become much easier to adjust fertility rates up and down as necessary. Easily in the 22nd century, people will order children from companies, in the same way you now order pets.
Even secular population is also now above replacement rates there.
But this is not a normal situation – it seems collective fear response to horror of being outnumbered by Arabs who hate you, as well as religious who want to impose their lifestyle on you.
If you live in Middle East with millions of uncivilized Arabs both inside and outside your country (and also growing religious Jewish cults inside the country and which want to return it to medievalist superstition), then rational decision is – to apply for visa to escape and live in Europe, Australia, Canada, etc. But if you have to have family and future in such an environment, it would feel much more normal to aim for 5 kids than 1.
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Considering the Arabs are also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Cg6Qx1wSo
The leadership probably overestimated the impact of technology development (Automation, AI etc), or maybe they didn’t.
Such nonsense. Women have much higher desired child counts than men do. If it was entirely up to women’s choice, every industrialized country would be well above replacement, if it was up entirely up to men’s choice, birth rates would be even lower.
Come on. Think of the real-world couples that you know. In how many cases did children appear because the woman demanded them from a reluctant man and in how many the opposite? Women want children much more than men do and the fertility collapse happens when sex without children becomes available to men.
The main problem with women flooding education is that it leads to a situation where women move to cities at a much higher rate and there’s a permanent gender imbalance in favor of men in the countryside and women in the cities. Women prefer the fields that are taught in giant universities while men are much more likely to want a trade or to start a business. Besides, the current inflation of educational status means that we now have tons of women with worthless liberal arts degrees who think they’re “higher status” than mechanics or plumbers and women still want to date up.
women move to cities at a much higher rate
Urban population (% of total) in United States was 81.79 as of 2016. Its highest value over the past 56 years was 81.79 in 2016, while its lowest value was 70.00 in 1960
*82%!
TFR is merely a synthetic benchmark of imagined fertility and has it’s own issues. The discrepancy in different Chinese domestic sources of estimated TFR have their origins in the one child policy itself and the “Sovok” system. Communist party demands birth control, you’ll get data showing lower birth rates by those immediately responsible for enforcing birth restrictions. However, those whose careers aren’t directly tied to enforcement won’t necessarily report the corroborating data. For example census data reporting births being reported at X amount and then six years down the line, another data point will show X+Y number of students registering for school. Where did those extra Y students come from?
Like cicerone stated, a better way to get an accurate reflection of actual fertility is using the crude birth rate (the number of children actually born) and adjusting for the median age of the population. The comparison to Iran is interesting, but flawed in that it is predicated on the Iranian TFR being accurate. To the contrary, it is the Chinese 1.6 TFR that is probably accurate and the Iranian one that is questionable. Iran still has a crude birth rate that is 16.5/1000 with a median population age of 30. Indonesia, which has a similar crude birth rate and a similar median populationa ge somehow has a TFR that is 2.44.
China’s raw births in 2017 was around 17.3 million. China’s raw birth cohort from 25 years ago, in 1992 was reported at just slightly over 21 million.
Did one-child policy have much impact, actually?
Despite it, mainland China’s fertility rate is still higher than its cousins South Korea and Japan, higher than Hong Kong, and far higher than Taiwan.
Yes, the higher education status bubble and women refusing to marry “down” is an especially acute problem in China and East Asia as a whole. It is Chinese nature to want to over educate, or at least over credential, their children thanks to two millennia of bureaucratic pressure selecting for education and credentialism. Girls are simply more responsive to the modern type of abusive education system that seems universal because they are more obedient and lass rambunctious than boys. Thankfully the Communists seem to be both cognizant of the problem and have started making half hearted efforts to redress this. Many university departments now have separate scoring criteria for men as opposed to women in admissions. For “soft” subjects which women gravitate towards and the gender imbalance is acute, women are required to have higher scores than men to gain admittance. I don’t think this goes far enough, but Chinese parents are particularly “touchy” about the prospects of their children getting ahead being kneecapped so I’m not sure how much the party can get away with in this area without facing serious public opposition.
What I heard is that the male imbalance exists in the countryside, not in the cities which sometimes have more women than men, due to patterns of migration.
What the exact ratio is, who knows… but if it’s so bad, then how can some cities have more women than men?
Trust me, women want kids. Women really want kids. Ever have a childless lover in her 30s? The saying “baby rabies” exists for a reason.
But they don’t necessarily want as many kids as the state requires. Most women want 2-3, which is inadequate. They need to have 4-6.
And as you already hinted at, the current life path many women take makes it very difficult for them to have kids in time (or at all).
Ideal TFR is 4-6. More than 6 seems like it would make it too difficult to invest in children, and of course there are issues with dependency ratios. Though this can be mitigated by restoring child labor, which should be done immediately.
First industrial country to achieve this will gain a massive competitive advantage over other states in one generation.
You want to maximize quality population growth for the exact same reason you want to maximize quality economic growth.
Population is power.
Why? So one can afford to lose a few sons in war, or what’s the thinking behind this?
Absolutely correct.
Abolishing feminism is not merely desirable, it is essential for long-term survival.
Abolishing feminism is probably not politically impossible in the West, which is why the West is not going to survive. On the other hand it is politically possible in China.
You have correctly identified one important reason. This is after all why Germany was able to overcome France after previously being the playground of French armies.
But it also guarantees a larger gross domestic product and thus a higher likelihood of developing important achievement and lucrative business monopolies. Not an accident that America has Silicon Valley.
Why is America more powerful than Germany? Is it because Americans are better soldiers and engineers than Germans? Obviously that is not the case.
As I said before–population is power.
Curiously, the communists in Vietnam seem to have launched their two-child policy in the 1960s.
Mao, on the other hand, seems to have thought of the high number of Chinese as excellent cannon fodder, if his rhetoric had any truth in it.
The more feminist countries of northwest Europe have higher birth rates than southern and eastern European countries. A lot of conservative Muslim countries like Iran with extremely anti-feminist policies have tanked in fertility rate and they’re now lower than Scandinavia.
There’s no evidence at all that feminism leads to lower birth rates.
True on many levels – for instance, for ice peoples. But obviously not for all peoples at all times. Some recent population explosions in other places: Rwanda and Syria.
Although, one could perhaps make the philosophical point that Germany and Japan’s high populations propelled them toward war and thus massive self-destruction. Perhaps, that is not as true today because of other even more destructive factors that a high population is necessary to combat.
Deng should have cozied to South Africa, instead of instituting one-child.
Yes, humanity as pets is indeed the future we all need to strive for.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rvmlJcce1qj3louo4_1280.jpg
Maybe some of those humans won’t fit the correct zeitgeist for your world or just get forgotten?
http://i.imgur.com/i9ETZk0.jpg
Those countries, especially not Taiwan(an excellent example of a zombie population waiting to finally die off), are not the ones to run TFR competitions with.
After the Quiet Revolution and feminism, Quebecois birth rates went from 7 to 1.4. So yes, there’s plenty of evidence.
I agree that it is not the only, or even the most important issue as many commentators make it out to be – cost really is and overall culture beyond merely gender politics. But it causes problems on many levels anyway.
That they are just now doing this shows how hidebound and unwieldy the CCP is, IMO. Granted, it is still arguably more functional than many other political parties, such as Merkel’s.
https://youtu.be/_nk3wBuvM-U?t=5m19s
Yes, but they are China’s most similar to (culturally, ethnically, geographically) countries.
All of them, aside from North Korea (which is only slightly higher), have a lower fertility rate, than mainland China after one-child policy
So my question to ask – whether one-child policy has had much impact in China? In an alternative history without one-child policy, would the fertility rate be very different?
In that scenario, fertility rates have not naturally risen. They’ve artificially or unnaturally risen towards 2, and naturally collapsed to Zero.
Obviously a woman’s 30s are too late to have at best more than a couple of children though
It will likely be regulated and normal childbirth legal terms, so end result not different to current procedures with surrogacy – simply surrogacy on mass scale will be suddenly available in form of factories of artificial wombs.
So you cannot exactly throw your child away like the betta fish in your picture, but perhaps mothers on average, all other things equal, may be less emotionally caring for children they did not have to suffer pregnancy for (although this issue already exists with adoption and surrogacy).
Probably, sign a contract with a company and provide gametes to them. Forget about it for 9 months. And then they email you when it’s ready, and deliver a clean baby to the showroom (or as many identical, or non-identical siblings – as you order).
Such situation would rapidly become a mainstream way to have a child in developed countries, and increased convenience would result with significant increases in birthrates in those countries.
Obviously there would have to be government regulation to prevent comic book scenarios (e.g. oligarchs creating their private armies). And it would be more difficult to prevent a scenario that in less ethical countries – the government itself might mass produce children without parents this way.
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Imagine people in 19th century, trying to imagine implications of planes, television and computers though. Easy for us to predict a lot of the technologies like this, but envisaging actual implications of them is – more challenging.
How rational is a decision to move to a low fertility country and have no grandchildren? The rational decision for a Jew desiring to have a traditional multigenerational family is to move asap to Israel. BTW, the demographic effect of Arab terror is zero.
TFR is the average number of children a woman has and it has fallen because women have much higher relative social status now. And women have much higher relative social status now because educational, employment, career, and political opportunities are available to them and even heavily subsidized and promoted for them. In general, social status derives from wealth or prestige of occupation, and prestigious occupations, whether or not they’re remunerative, generally require educational and or professional credentials.
Now that the average woman gets educated, has various careers, and can participate in politics, she has much higher relative status and has higher status than a large swathe of the male population. And because women naturally have an aversion to pair bonding and mating with men of lower status, this restricts the pool of acceptable mates for most women and thus the fertility rate has dropped.
Until relatively recently, women were restricted from education and most occupations and public life. Women had to depend on a man for sustenance. Even a poor working man had higher relative status than any woman because he could earn a certain wage independently that no woman could, he could access certain educational opportunities that women couldn’t, and he had the franchise and could participate in public life and assume political positions and power while women couldn’t. Every man in society had higher status than women in important respects, and this meant that the amount of desirable and acceptable mates for women were much higher, and thus fertility rates were much higher.
[But in the next century or so – by then children will be produced for order in artificial wombs, and fertility rate could be easily raised or lowered by government.]
By then humans will have been abolished by AI, why are you even discussing anything so backward as their reproduction?
Yes, but it doesn’t change his (correct) analysis. There is a well-known pattern between education and fertility. The more educated women become, the more they delay the age of initial child-bearing. You see this in developing country after developing country.
However, education is just one of many factors. Liu is correct to emphasize cultural factors. Jaako’s point about Scandinavia may be true, but it doesn’t change the argument. Scandinavia still has sub-replacement TFR aside from perhaps Iceland.
Religiosity is the bigger factor. The importance here is intensity and not shallowness. Iran is a superficially religious country but many Iranians will tell you that the population isn’t nearly as fanatic as the leadership. The same pattern is true in Turkey, where atheism among Turks is rare but their religious intensity is quite low whereas the kurds are more pious. For the kurds, they also have the demographic pressure, which acts as a co-enabler and therefore pushes up fertility.
Then there’s also the K-selection and r-selection theory, though I am not a biologist so I do not know how accurate that theory is. Could possibly be a factor.
Generally, money is probably the least important issue. Far more important are the social and cultural values, which also informs how much you want to educate your girls. One area which someone mentioned is real estate and I’d probably agree to that to a smaller extent. The gigantic rise of debt-fuelled real estate prices all over the West, and increasingly even in EE, over the past 15-20 years has priced many young couples out of the market and forces them to work longer to get a decent housing in many countries. Not everyone wants or even can live in the rural areas. Jobs and economic activity is tied to urban areas. That delayed investment probably also affects TFR at the margins.
You just described the plight of educated black women in America. Yet they have higher fertility than whites and Asians in America who are less subject to the female-male education disparity.
Do you have data on (Catholic) church attendance rates in the same period in Quebec?
I ask, because I suspect that feminism as such is a symptom, not the causal agent.
The two arguments do not need to cancel out each other. Education is not the sole lens to view the world through. Biological (r vs K-selection) factors also matter. Blacks have higher fertility all over the world, which is why African TFR is exploding. Educating them will still help lower fertility, even if it may level off at a higher level than for K-selected populations like East Asians.
Social factors (education), biology (r vs K), religious intensity. Monetary support. Everything counts. It’s not either/or.
Some reactionaries did. Every one of their negative predictions have come true – whether the destruction of the family, the loss of the traditional economy, ruination of morals or the monoculture of the world.
Birth control is the most likely culprit, tbh. Bypassing the biological method to motivate the “creation of children” has its consequences; likely natalism in and of itself was not really that much of an instinct.
Speaking of China.
US decides to further escalate trade war with China on two fronts
The US has a strong hand in any general trade war due to their massive bilateral trade deficit, but they are mistaken if they think they can stunt China’s technological prowess through trade.
I recall the decision a few years ago to ban sales of Nvidia and AMD GPUs to be used in Chinese supercomputers. The guiding assumption was that the Chinese were helpless without Western tech. It backfired badly. The Chinese simply built their own domestic one, and it was the fastest one for years.
A few days ago, Daimler deepened their co-operation with Baidu in self-driving cars, further highlighting that US firms no longer have monopoly on advanced technology. It is much too late for these desperate and panicky rear-guard actions, though it is nevertheless genuinely amusing to watch the rising fear emanating from Washington, as it realises that its hegemonic technological leadership is now slowly being confined to a thing of the past.
Cross racial comparisons are different as different groups have different tendencies. But I’m not sure that it’s true educated black women have higher fertility rates.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32379727/ns/health-sexual_health/t/marriage-eludes-high-achieving-black-women/
Could it really be that simple?
Banning contraception and abortion would have no impact on sex drives. And prostitution would become largely infeasible without contraception and abortion. But sex drives would remain, and people have to satisfy them, so they would be more inclined to seek out marriage and procreative sex.
It’s possible that it might be that simple.
Smart people would figure out loopholes or how to get contraception or abortion anyway. They’d tend to go for types of sex less likely to result in conception, like oral and anal sex, etc. But it would wonderfully increase fertility among the least desirable demographics.
Nothing is that simple.
This is why prostitution did not exist before the 1960s
Having a kid is not worth it for your typical urban Chinese. The hoops you have to jump through and bribes you have to pay to get them in a decent school are prohibitive, and what’s more the cities are so polluted you practically have to invest in a fallout shelter type air filter to keep them healthy.
Most of the women having kids in the big cities are probably waidi ren– rural migrants at the bottom of the social hierarchy. Give Chinese an incentive to have kids and, just like Maoist times, you’ll get a lot more peasant kids.
Shanghai tfr dipped below replacement over 50 years ago, IIRC. There really is a big quality vs. quantity issue in China. Everybody knows it, but nobody is really doing anything about it. The Chinese I know who had more than one kid left the country before doing so. Most of the others I knew didn’t even have kids last I checked, when they would have been pushing 40. These are big city, educated, high human capital Chinese.
It’s a disaster in the making, and given the Chinese tendency to double down when things deteriorate, I don’t expect the trend to change anytime soon.
The only hope China has of raising fertility in the near term lies in the countryside, but without some reversal or at least serious slowdown of the urbanization drive it’s not going to happen. And anyway the government is trying really hard to decrease the number of peasants because of the aforementioned quality issue, so they’d never go for a scheme that boosted rural fertility.
English Puritans had religious and cultural ideology, in New England they also had unlimited land.
I’m assuming strong enforcement. And I agree that in my scenario, there’d be differential fertility. To mitigate that, you’d probably have to introduce things like eliminating welfare. But I’m trying to keep my scenario simple. It seems reasonable to conclude that TFR would rise simply by eliminating contraception and abortion. Sex drives remain, and marriage and natural sex will be the dominant outlet for most people. Women especially are not going to just have oral and anal sex, which are generally unpleasant for them.
I’m aware that prostitution existed before the 60s and indeed has always existed. The point is that without contraception and abortion, prostitution would not be more than a small outlet for the cumulative sex drive of society.
Historically, cities have been HUGE population sinks. A high degree of urbanization is a surefire route to demographic decline.
False. Iran, China and Russia have no feminism or “women’s liberation” movements.
The primary cause is high real estate prices. Give the average woman a large house in a good neighborhood, and fertility will rise to 3 children per woman.
As long as the choice is “rent a small apartment in a high-wage city” vs “live in large house in the ass end of nowhere” women will keep delaying childbirth.
Are you Chinese, as in racially a Han?
Two comments which accurately pointed out the problems with this post, my no.2 and Cicerone’s no.9. Neither got any responses.
How much of that is real Scandanavians (as in white people) as opposed to Somalians and other third worlders that Sweden considers Swedish?
How does 28/31/33/37/40/43 sound?
Not too bad for a woman (mine) who was ALMOST childless when she reached the age of 30s.
The main cause was neither lack of government support not affordable housing but being surrounded by loser beta males in higher education and university. Until she met me.
It would also make the country poorer and considerably less stable, than it is now. Look at all the problems Iranians are having: protests, youth unemployment. This is simply a byproduct of having very young population. Tsarist Russia had two revolutions because it too young and dynamic for its own good.
you are wrong.
how do you explain child free women?
overpopulation is disastrous.
I’m aware that prostitution existed before the 60s and indeed has always existed.
As our old street names (alas, now disappeared) confirm:
Actually in China, at least in the Song, that wasn’t true
I am glad for her, but that is at least quite lucky, certainly the last ones.
“Most feminist” is irrelevant in that EVERY industrial country is feminist, if we use the standards of what feminism proclaimed itself to be a century ago–or even half a century ago. Even Iran has gone feminist on this metric. Wtf kind of traditional society produces a female Fields medalist?
Women in Italy and Greece are independent, seek “education”, pursue careers, etc.
But since these countries are much poorer and in particular for the young, they have lower birth rates.
Since feminism has completely triumphed, it’s not surprising that the movement in advanced countries has now degenerated into a bunch of silly craziness like trying to redefine everything as rape. Imagine if Nazi Germany had triumphed and liquidated the Jews. Do you think the antisemitism would’ve stopped? Or would they have gone after marginal or even imagined forms of Jewishness? My that’s a suspiciously large nose you have Herr Mueller…
The evidence that feminism leads to lower birth rates is the stunning collapse of fertility in the decade of the 1960s throughout the entire Western world. America for instance went from a TFR of nearly four to sub-replacement in around a decade.
I suppose we can state that giving women the right to vote didn’t collapse fertility.
But programming women to pursue independent careers, enter male fields, get “educated”, divorce when unhaaaaaappy, and sleep around certainly did. And that’s something which exists in every advanced country without exception. China is starting to realize this is a mistake, and it’s interesting to see how far they’ll go.
Even with garbage populations more people means more power relative to rival trash peoples, provided there’s enough food. Though obviously a global goal should be to reduce the relative numbers of trash people, when in fact we’ve been doing the exact opposite in the past century. Leading to a real risk we’ll be overwhelmed by a tidal wave of shitmen.
Yes, more powerful countries may take the risk of starting wars and in so doing bring about their own destruction.
But unless you’re willing to suffer dramatic consequences like North Korea, the alternative to that isn’t peaceful independence. It’s that without even fighting you become a lackey of a great power. The only really independent countries in the world are America, China, and Russia. Then there are some prickly states like North Korea, Iran, Israel, Cuba, etc. which have partial independence owing to extreme determination. But they could be liquidated in 48 hours if someone got mad enough.
A high population is still necessary for military power with modern technology. Who do you think produces all that high technology? People. And the experience of the two world wars is that high technology accelerates the intensity of combat and causes more, not fewer, casualties. In a hypothetical WW3 the entire planet will be a battlefield with no truly safe areas for civilians.
Blacks are R-selected, and in traditional West African society women do most of the work and families are centered on mothers as paternity is uncertain. Men are closer to nieces and nephews than their alleged children.
In America blacks are wards of the state, and the stream of payments mostly flow through black women.
And the fertility of American blacks has collapsed as well (thank God) and is not much higher than civilized races now.
https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/fertility19802013_b.png?w=640
Still too high of course–ideally we’d like to get black TFR hovering around zero.
Worth noting that South Africa under Verwoerd prohibited television as he considered it to be destructive of community and family.
People did this before birth control existed. Not like pulling out is terribly challenging (and yes, contrary to myth, it is fairly effective with some caveats). The difference is that birth control makes the process effortless and less subject to “accidents” which are inevitable in romance for various reasons.
Yes indeed that was lucky and also with mishaps at the end of the distribution.
I was playing the Devil’s advocate a little bit, because (1) it’s totally obvious that peak fertility is way passed when entering the 30s, (2) it’s all downhill afterwards (with a sharp decline after age 35), and (3) it’s not cool to have old parents for a teenager.
But I always use our example (limited sample but still a concrete case nonetheless) to make the point that there really is NO excuse for not having kids other than incurable sterility and other grave illnesses. In that we should also include mental illness and this is where the problem occurs as feminism is a form of mental illness in my view.
By the way feminism also affects men — at least as much as it affects women.
Someone made a comment that women want more children than men, on average. I cannot comment for every race or civilization, but for Western Europeans this is absolutely true. I was myself a persistent adolescent until my late 20s, being more interested in doing sports and other fun things than starting a family. I must admit that my wife saved me from myself there. I just regret I did not start having kids earlier.
So all in all I in fact agree with you 🙂
Historically this was mainly due to infectious disease.
If cities were made affordable and child friendly I don’t see why they would need to be population sinks. They might remain minor population sinks owing to abundance of entertainment options, but nothing dramatic.
Was Tokyo a population sink before the American population? I kind of doubt it. Probably had lesser fertility than the countryside, but I bet it was above replacement.
China and Russia are fully feminist countries. Women have equal rights, get “education”, and pursue careers. In Russia something like 40% of corporate executives are female.
Iran is officially an Islamic theocracy, but it too educates women and puts them to work. They also have “temporary marriage” to put an Islamic stamp of approval on dating/hookup culture.
A traditional society does not produce a female Fields medalist.
That’s a line that Steve Sailer has been pushing for years (“affordable family formation”) and he’s undoubtedly correct. It is important. It’s much less important than cultural factors but it is still important. And housing costs are absolutely the key to affordable family formation.
There are only 3 causes, in increasing order of importance number-wise:
1. Religious vows (which must then mean no sex at all)
2. Physical maladies (including sterility)
3. Mental illness (including feminism)
Freaks of the female population enabled by toxic cultural programming.
There are also people who passionately hate dogs and declare themselves “petfree”.
On that line a fair number of “childfree” women simply get pets as surrogate children.
Although TBH that one was really an Affirmative Action one.
To be honest our problem in the West is too much education for everybody. Education is one of those things that is good in moderation. Too much can be extremely harmful. Higher education should only be available to a very small minority who actually need it.
Too much education is bad for everybody but it’s especially damaging to women. Women do not need higher education. Society does not need women with higher education. Our obsession with fairness is destroying us. We might have a an education system that is fair and offers equal opportunities to women but how much good does that do us if our society is going down the toilet because we’ve ceased to reproduce?
Survival matters more than fairness. Survival will require some very drastic decisions (such as massive cuts to education spending). That isn’t going to happen through the ballot box.
the main goal of feminism has been female work participation, this goal is of course reached in all countries except some muslim countries.
I think that has been true of recent (say since XIX-th century), with the need to insert the urban female population into the industrial workforce.
However if we’re looking further back in time, at mostly rural societies, all commoner women were working, with and like the rest of the able-bodied family members. That was agricultural work but real work. Not meaningless cubicle busy-work. And yet there was no feminism in those times.
Therefore there must be another driving cause than just economic needs, to explain the rise of such a toxic ideology like feminism.
When in doubt it’s akway a good first approximation to blame in on the Jews, no matter what the subject.
Cities used to be population sinks because prior to modern sanitation the death rates were astronomical.
So why exactly does urbanization still lead to population decline? Why do cities encourage low birth rates? I’m sure we can all think of lots of plausible explanations but do we actually know the real answer?
There’s a lot of unreported births in the countryside, so there is some evidence for higher fertility than the reported by the NBS. 17 million babies a year are a lot of babies.
But yeah, the picture looks bleak. China has lost a great chance to promote early death of its elderly population through eager consumption of tobacco and adulterated booze; but nah. They’re on a death spiral of overentitled geezers and feminist women who just won’t have babies if their husbands arent rich and the kids are guaranteed a place at Qinghua.
It basically is. Parsimony is surprisingly good at explaining trends at times.
Some ideas:
1. More social interactions leads to increased nervousness and general rebelliousness?
2. A less natural environment favors ideological detachment from reality?
3. The struggle for survival is harsher in cities due to increased competition because of population density?
4. Jews?
I suspect it has to do with cortisol levels.
I’ve got an interesting excerpt from 1978 book Class about the overpopulation scare in the UK:
Interesting that Nazi policies to promote marroage and increase fertility were succesful.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2769448?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
He is. A northerner, I believe.
Regarding Iran and China, their fertility rates are likely higher then many estimates.
Iran as of 2017 had a CBR of around 19/1000, considering its current age structure it is highly unlikely it has a TFR of only 1.7, other countries with CBR’s of around 20/1000 and a similar age structure all have TFR’s of around 2.1 to 2.4.
With regard to China it is basically impossible that it has a CBR of 12.4/1000 and a TFR of below 1.5, comparing other countries with a similar age structure, its TFR is likely around 1.7.
Somewhat off-topic, for all the talk about low Chinese birthrates, China has a CBR then every single major western nation, even the US in 2017 had a CBR of only 11.9/1000. China’s demographic situation is better then basically every major power currently in the world something that the media never seem to realize as they predict impending demographic doom for China. And of course China has huge population to begin with so even if the population stops growing, the amount of human capital that is present in a population of 1.4 billion with a an IQ of above 100 is more then enough for total hegemony if used properly.
Northerner means Mongolian?
Much more important than those stats are the miscegenation and immigration rates, one keeps hearing about the “healthy” demographics of the US or USA from the likes of the Economist, all that “healthy” really means is non whites replacing whites, China is not facing such a mass race replacement, which in the end is the only thing that really matters.
I am no expert of Chinese demographics, but how does that square off with four decades of supposedly ruthlessly-enforced one-child policy? Something must give. Is it the CPC not that ruthless after all?
No. Beijing, etc. Northern Chinese as opposed to Southern Chinese such as Guandong. Traditionally considered as taller and more martial people, having fought with the steppe dwellers since times immemorial: wheat-eating with buns and noodles.
The ruthlessness and efficiency of the CCP has always been exaggerated, even by themselves. In practice, China is too large to be North Korea’nized, even if the CCP wanted to do that.
Fake news from someone who also is advocating for a global confederation to isolate China.
“Status-adjusted child rearing” cost is indeed prohibitive, however. That’s going to be a problem in all modernized society, and more so in China due to the ever spiraling virtue signaling of status with education.
So, was it in fact always possible to have more kids, without having to endure too much retaliation as a result?
Two personal anecdotes:
(1) I remember having seen a documentary, circa 2009, that was circulated in the form of DVDs amongst Catholics about massive-scale forced sterilizations, or permanently-implanted abortifacient hardware at the time of first birth without the woman’s consent. That DVD was published by some Catholic outfit, JP2/pro-life kind of. According to said documentary (that was intelligently presented), the UN was in cahoots with the Chinese commies to effectively pave the way for what would become a model campaign for the world as a whole. Was it all lies/exaggeration? No longer being a (Roman) Catholic now, I am viewing these things with not a grain, but a block of salt nowadays. That said I would like that such policies be applied to the African continent.
(2) Back in about 2010, I was nonchalantly wandering on the sidewalk in a large US city park, with my pregnant wife, pushing a stroller with a baby in it, and 3 other kids in tow. At some point a bus stopped and park a few meters ahead of us. Then about 30-40 Chinese people walk out and surrounded us, making pictures, kind of congratulating us, counting the kids, and talking to each other in complete excitement. That was a very odd moment, but we took it easily, and gracefully accepted to be pictured with some of the older chink ladies. We thought we really had made their day, and I think that we are now in some photo albums in the RPC. In retrospect I find this story quite sad — not for us, but for them. You could tell in this women’s eyes that they were seeing something that, no doubt, they would have loved for themselves. Sad.
Part of it has to be economic.
As the agrarian portion of the economy decreased, so did the motivation to have children: the turnaround time for children to become economically productive in an agricultural society is 10 years or so, so it became easy to justify having children(especially without easy access to contraception). As the importance of child labor decreased, so does the value of children.
At the point that children are net costs and respectability is conveyed through accumulation of wealth, it becomes increasingly less worthwhile to have children but increasingly worthwhile to have the other adult member of your family work(your wife, basically). Especially as the domestic economy decreases in importance, status is gained instead by maximizing cash flow and through markers of wealth. This simultaneously drives up the cost of housing as family incomes increase, and increases the “median” status needed to be respectable. If it was once respectable to have one beater car and a two-bedroom house, it is now only respectable to have a four bedroom house, and two new cars, for example. As children are expensive, this means that childbirth must both be delayed in order to signal respectability, as well as fewer children overall.
As humans are primarily status seeking creatures, these drives along with the ability to suppress any “accidents” with birth control and easy access to abortion ultimately serve to make the production of children marginal and especially discouraged in urban environments with its stress-inducing crowding, heavy status signaling needs, and significant living costs.
Notably, effective disposable income has not actually increased in the US for almost thirty years while more total hours have been worked by households through female participation in the workforce(and overtime). Add the value of increasing debt, and arguably it has been a downhill progression economically. East Asian countries are also known for extremely long hours of work, and heavy signaling associated with such; this was probably less harmful when work was done at home(including for men, due to farm work) but the modern economy moves work outside of home and makes dilligence antagonistic to familial life, rather than complementary of it.
This is not great in the extremely long run, but humans(even the best of us) are largely only made to predict for the medium term. So we optimize for that. Individuals with extremely short time planning actually do better at this, because they won’t be planning for education(or even birth control), they’re just having sex and letting the accidents happen as usual.
I want an aggressive, anti-American Communist regime isolated, and you see that as a problem because…?
I really don’t know why the PRC gets a pass for following the same ideology as Cuba and North Korea, especially now that the Cold War has been over for more than a generation.
Before WWII, Tokyo had a fertility rate of around 3-4 children per woman while Japan was closer to 5.
After the war, fertility collapsed in Japan.
Lately, the situation has improved from extremely bad to very bad:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1833/29870762828_78f71b9154_o.png
Don’t forget that China is also corrupt to the bones. So there are ample ways to circumvent the controls, especially so in the countryside. Many newborn girls were simply not registered and only appear now in the census.
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Armata mass production further delayed and/or cancelled, apparently it’s too expensive.
https://defence-blog.com/army/russian-armata-modern-tanks-production-delayed-due-high-cost.html
Because it is:
1) Not actually communist
2) Along with Russia, arguably one of the few states that is solidly anti-Cathedral
3) America, unfortunately, has become the side of the Great Gay Disco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FzVMKK-MW4
Tokyo still, oddly, has one of the better TFRs in Japan(which isn’t saying much). I believe its only lower than Okinawa, which has the best TFR around 1.8(IIRC a bit higher) or so, who are not ethnically Yamato Japanese.
Tokyo, alongside Hokkaido, actually has the lowest fertility rate in Japan and are the only prefectures below 1.3 children per woman. Okinawa is at 1.95.
Generally, the rates are a bit higher in the south than in the north.
You can check here the data for 2017 (on page 6/7):
https://www.mhlw.go.jp/toukei/saikin/hw/jinkou/geppo/nengai17/dl/kekka.pdf
Xi Jinping is most assuredly a Communist, and he could care less about the “cathedral”, and certainly can and does work with American elites against the interests of most Americans so as to weaken the US as a whole.
BTW, if you go to China for a while, you’ll notice a strange phenomenon. Govt. run media outlets will enthusiastically promote the worst of the cathedral narrative, using films and shows made right here in the USA by the most degenerate anti-American trash, even though your typical Chinese has no interest in them, and would rather watch something like Walker, Texas Ranger (that show was extremely popular in China).
The regime also brutalizes innocent, faithful Christians, who are among the best behaved of the Chinese, allows its officials to steal at will from humble ordinary Chinese who are trying to improve their lot in life, and tolerates the most outrageous vice and exploitation so that it can skim the profits.
Xi Jinping and his “president for life” status marks a sharp turn away from progress toward rule of law to rule of man, and this is a development that Americans should view with great trepidation. Chinese themselves should be even more worried — dictators usually end up causing enormous trauma to their subjects.
A free China governed according to rule of law could be the greatest source of good in the world. I believe this could be one of the main pillars of the salvation of mankind, but China is going in the other direction, and this must be resisted.
Finally, yes, America has lots of problems. Maybe they will be the end of us (although I doubt it). But they just don’t compare to what’s going on in China. I’d recommend you visit China, and make sure you spend lots of time outside the showcase city centers. Get to know the common people – the laobaixing – and listen to their stories. Go spend some time with peasants, too. The peasants are very hospitable, generous and kind people. Learn about how they are treated by those with power. It will give you an entirely new perspective on the PRC.
I lived in China during the Jian Zeming era; the corruption was immeasurably worse than it is now although still it never was as bad as some people make it out to be. Whatever else that can be said about Emperor Xi, he has reigned in a lot of excesses and it actually looks like a place with direction now. The extension of the GFW is the most annoying thing, of course.
And so far, I haven’t seen a rainbow flag flying outside of Tiananming, but there’s one right outside Berlin’s government buildings. And same sex marriages are not a thing – admittedly in large part to prevent the inevitable abuse of it for hukou, but hey, whatever works.
Sixth Tone is not the voice of the Party; I am not certain if absolute “rule of law” is such a great thing at the end of the day, as it effectively serves to become a bureaucratic vehicle that really is “rule by judges.” Notably, Confucianism is a certain degree of “rule by man” through the existence of normative values.
Peasants are peasants. They can be nice people. They will not be the shining harbingers of a new future.
Thanks.
The one child policy was never universally “ruthlessly” enforced. You are mistaking Western human rights agitprop for reality. For every commies aborted my baby sob story, there was thousands of buy me dinner and give me some cigarettes and booze and I’ll look the other way non story. Fact is, plenty of Chinese still do have multiple children. All of my paternal cousins have siblings and half of my maternal ones do as well. The only reason I didn’t was because of my mother’s extremely late at the time age of giving birth to me (30) and because my father was still working on his PhD and couldn’t afford another and by the time he could, it was too late for my mom. The only sector where enforcement was total was on the party itself. Xi Jinping and all the other members of the Politburo have only 1 child each (well legally recognized child that is).
And there is, indeed, an example of a free, democratic Chinese state of Taiwan. It could be best described as: glamorous dysfunction, except its not very glamorous with its 1980s era buildings these days. Glorious peasant takeover has effected great…improvements in cargo culting.
I think it’s sensible – like they are sounding more responsibly and logical this year.
Initial plan was to produce 2,300 by 2020.
But is there need suddenly for 2,300 new tanks – after they created hundreds of modernized T-72 B3?
Currently there are almost 3000 active tanks (mainly T-72, but also hundreds of T-90).
In addition, already hundreds of T-72 B3 upgraded in the last few years, and they are equal specifications than any NATO tanks, which would be its opposition.
Upgrading to T-72 B3 costs more than ten times less than each T-14.
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T-14 costs 250 million rubles each (enough to build a couple of schools for each tank).
So original plan was to produce 2,300 by 2020 – costing 575 billion rubles.
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NATO itself has already much more minor tank forces deployed in Europe.
Germany greatly decreased its tank forces to around 300. Countries like Poland have 200 tanks. Hungary have 34 T-72s.
Latvia has 0 tanks.
Lithuania has 0 tanks.
Estonia has 0 tanks.
So is there need for 2,300, even if you were preparing for war?
Deterrence effect itself of building 2,300 tanks would be very large, it is true.
But the already demonstrated, technological capacity to design and build such a tank as T-14, which is significantly more ambitious than any Western tank projects – is surely itself already quite a lot of deterrence.
The modern dividing line between North and South China is the Huai river, nestled between the better known Yellow and Yangtze rivers. A more accurate dividing line would be a north, a center encompassing the southern parts of the traditional north and the northern parts of the traditional south, and a southern coast that is basically Fujian and Guangdong. Guangxi and Yunnan aren’t traditionally Southern so much as recently (17th century) acquired frontier zones.
The historic north is really the territory of Zhou ducal states of the Spring and Autumn period.
Jacob Rees Mogg is a notoriously upper class politician in the UK, he is famous for having six children.
Have you been to a Chinese Church? Many of my relatives in China are Christians and they go to church regularly. I used to be one but don’t consider myself a Christian anymore ,although I went to church with them once last year.
I keep reading about how China brutalizes Christians. It is total nonsense. Those had problems with the government because they didn’t follow the laws. For example, building a huge a church on a public land without permit. What do you expect the Chinese government would do? Yes those evil CCP would demolish it. And don’t con people’s money either. That wouldn’t sit well with the CCP. Stuff like this won’t fly in China: “A televangelist wants his followers to pay for a $54 million private jet. It’s his fourth plane.” The CCP wanted to control certain things just like the US government wanted to control certain things. That is why you have Waco siege in the US, and church demolition in China.
And speaking of religion, Chinese Muslims took over the streets in Shanghai to pray. Yes, that was allowed. The CCP, at least in the last 10 years, is a lot more tolerant than you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmLFOzG1CqM&t=75s
I am a laobaixing. My parents were peasants. When I was a kid, I had only one pair of shoes which I wore during the winter. I walked around bare feet most of time. People in my area were poor, which was not surprising. China was one of the poorest countries in the world. The CCP, with its corruption and other warts, has done a pretty good job the last 30 years. There is still a lot of room for improvement, but giving where the starting point was, (just looked at where China was 100 years ago) it is unreasonable to ask the CCP to accomplish everything in such a short time with such a huge population. Everyone I know complains about the CCP all the time. But deep down, they know the grass is not always greener on the other side, and they know things are getting better each year.
http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/china/overview
Since initiating market reforms in 1978, it has lifted more than 800 million people out of poverty
The country’s poverty rate dropped from 10.2 per cent in 2012 to 3.1 per cent in 2017 which is an impressive progress in poverty reduction, it said.
China aims to eliminate absolute poverty by 2020 as part of the creation of a moderately prosperous society.
There were around 30 million Chinese living below the national poverty line at the end of last year, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.
Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/62863326.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Many Chinese elites look up to the US for it is a great country. Since 1776, is there a country that has done better than the US? The answer is no. The Chinese elites have watched and studies the US, Singapore and Taiwan since the 80s. Many watched Taiwan with hopeful eyes. Taiwan’s democracy excited them, and they thought China should follow suit if free election worked out well in Taiwan. Unfortunately democracy has become a farce in Taiwan where in-fightings and short team plannings have been detrimental to Taiwan’s development. It is pretty clear at this point that the CCP will not adopt free election any time soon. Not that they didn’t try. They tested voting process in villages and the result wasn’t good. The same people got voted in repeatedly and the corruption was even worse. I was a proponent of free election in China, but I have come to the conclusion after years of studies and travels in China that China, at this point, is better off with the CCP.
Catholicism in action. Waugh (also a Catholic convert, although only aspirationally upper class) had seven.
So in Japan, also the less “intelligent” (by IQ test scores) areas have higher fertility rates than the highest scoring ones (in test scores)
The highest scoring region (Akita prefecture – with an average “IQ score” of 108), has one of the lower fertility rates (between 1.31-1.4).
https://i.imgur.com/YD3FJ7F.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aDvv042.jpg
Akita is this one on the map:
http://www.washokulovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/akita_prefecture_header.jpg
Based on my personal observations over the past 35 years, I can tell you that broad-based economic growth and opportunity is a necessary prerequisite for higher birth rates in the U.S. The Reagan economic boom made it more attractive for the boomers (then mostly in their 30’s) to have kids, as compared to the stagflation 70’s when the U.S. white fertility rate dropped to around 1.6.
Later, Gen Xers started having kids during the late 90’s boom and during the housing bubble of the oughts. This all came to an end with the crash of ’08. If Trump’s economic policies result in another Reagan economic boom, then the fertility rate will go up. Otherwise it will go down.
The other issue with having kids is the cost disease associated with the Big 3 (housing, education, health-care), which is much more of a problem today than in 1985.
It is pointlessly silly to pontificate about the need for people to have kids without promoting broad-based economic growth and addressing the escalating costs of the Big 3.
Peasants are peasants. They can be nice people. They will not be the shining harbingers of a new future.
Peasants endure and they are very good at it.
Sure you would.
One can fit 3 Chinas in Africa and still have plenty of room to spare. Barring unforeseen events Africa could end the 21st century with a population of 2 billion or more. That would still be less than half as crowded as China is today.
Real classy aren’t you?
The population density of Africa is not the relevant concern.
The issue is the quality of population, which is abysmally low.
Negroids are a pestilence which destroy everything they come in contact with (unless enslaved), and it is obviously undesirable for this pestilence to grow.
The goal should be a century or two from now for negroids to be preserved solely in wild life reserves, living as hunter-gatherers while being studied by anthropologists and viewed from tourist buses.
Most of the productive arable land in Africa would of course be turned over to cultivation, and cities in Africa would be exclusively inhabited by civilized populations originating in Northern Eurasia.
Then maybe Africans should stay in Africa.
The Age of AI (artificial intelligence) is coming soon. A few points advantage in human IQ won’t make a difference then.
And Europeans should stay in Europe?
They destroy things then too
They mostly do nowadays, colonialism ended decades ago.
Europeans ended up in Africa not just as colonials but also as slaves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery
There are more Europeans in Africa than there are Africans in Europe.
Bliss, I am glad that you acknowledge the fact that you owe us reparations.
Ukraine has about 700 T-64BM and BV’s, and about 300 T-72s, according to Russian wiki.:
The difference is that Portuguese etc. in places like Angola are legal immigrants with useful skills…and nobody would entertain the idea that Africans should just hand over their countries to Europeans. There’s no equivalence to what’s going on in Europe with the entire asylum, open borders and “antiracism” business where powerful establishment forces are de facto enabling an invasion.
As for long-established communities of European origin, it seems to me most have dwindled since colonial times. There’s South Africa of course, but even if the “white genocide” meme may be somewhat exaggerated, I don’t think that’s really a positive example of successful black-white tolerance and cooperation.
Nobody?
I for one don’t believe in the right of blacks to govern themselves, live in freedom, or to reproduce.
You are right, in an ass-backwards way. There is no equivalence between Africans immigrating to Europe and Europeans doing this to Africa:
https://africanquarters.com/forgotten-european-atrocities-in-africa/
https://africanquarters.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/herero.jpg
That’s not exactly current affairs though, so I don’t see your point, unless it’s the usual “Africans deserve to take over Europe because of what the evil white man supposedly did 100 years ago”.
Anyway, this discussion is off-topic and not going to be illuminating, so I’ll drop out. Maybe you can discuss the issue with Thorfinnsson 🙂
That guy is pure evil. Which of course brings a smile to your German face. Sad.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/leopold-ii-daughters-limbs.jpg
The greed of the Congo’s overlords knew no boundaries, and the lengths to which they went to gratify it were likewise extreme. Just as Christopher Columbus had done in Hispaniola 400 years earlier, Leopold II imposed quotas on every man in his realm for production of raw materials.
Men who failed to meet their ivory and gold quota even once would face mutilation, with hands and feet being the most popular sites for amputation. If the man could not be caught, or if he needed both hands to work, Forces Publique men would cut the hands off of his wife or children.
Without the visionary actions of Leopold II, I wouldn’t have Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires today.
These tires alone increased my grip on the skidpad by .02 G.
It’s important to have the right priorities.
Sounds like paradise. Are whites allowed to join if they want?
I like this idea of reserves for people who want different lifestyles. You can have modern cities with technology based on consumerism and economic competition and others can have a hunter gatherer lifestyle if they want.
I make great effort to go backpacking and hiking and if the dominant society would let me live like that year round with a few like minded friends, free of the modern world, campfires under the stars…
You got my vote Thor! When u starting your campaign already?
I am sure you are more useful lying on a dissection board. You might even find it enjoyable.
Plenty of whites living like this already in the Intermountain West, with the occasional “gathering” of provisions at sporting goods stores. They also defend their territory, hence the popularity of GET OUT bumper stickers in the great state of Montana.
I’ll launch my campaign in 2024 with the bold platform of using thermal depolymerization to convert retards like Bliss into valuable minerals and hydrocarbons.
Yeah, but they still have “jobs” and are tied to the modern economy, they aren’t true hunter gatherers. They are only “weekend warriors”. I can do that in upstate NY. I want the real deal. Montana would be amazing as a site for a HG reservation – let’s make it happen!
Whooa, I thought we were only forcing Bliss into an HG lifestyle (which I’m sure he’d enjoy) – I dont know about converting him to minerals.
I doubt you could learn anything useful by dissecting me – remember, you want to study people who are into technology, etc, so you can better optimize whatever it is you’re always optimizing. If you dissected me you’d just learn which genes code for love of nature or some such useless thing.
No, it’s the Montana HG reservation that Thor will create that I must go to.
I assume you’re talking about the U.S. Government. And I agree. Washington should certainly be isolated.
But it would be a wonderful experience.
Which of course brings a smile to your German face. Sad.
No much of an argument here on your part.
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Interesting. I didn’t realize that was a political policy. I thought it was developmental. They did have scripted radio shows. If I recall, they reproduced some old American radio shows, from the same scripts, some 30 or 40 years later.
Radio is probably a harder medium for Leftists to hijack than TV, public radio aside.
Those were pretty terrible things, done to Africans by other Africans not ordered or supervised by Europeans
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/07/24/mythologies-about-leopolds-congo-free-state/
And I would bet that they also interbred with them to some extent, often not so willingly!
That was probably the peak fertility of Japan in recorded history, especially if one counted children surviving to adulthood.
Well, he put a smiley there when suggesting I engage with that evil pomposity Thugfinnson.
I know german-reader’s opinion on such matters is not much different from the Thug’s. Still, I take back the “German” in that post. That was wrong. Not all Germans fit the Nazi stereotype.
However it is undeniable that the colonial germans in Africa were genocidal Nazis a generation before the real Nazis came to be:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
The Herero and Nama genocide was a campaign of racial extermination and collective punishment that the German Empire undertook in German South West Africa (now Namibia) against the Ovaherero and the Nama. It is considered the first genocide of the 20th century.
In 2004, the German government recognized and apologized for the events, but ruled out financial compensation for the victims’ descendants. In July 2015, the German government and the speaker of the Bundestag officially called the events a “genocide” and “part of a race war”. However, it has refused to consider reparations.
“I was present when the Herero were defeated in a battle in the vicinity of Waterberg. After the battle all men, women, and children who fell into German hands, wounded or otherwise, were mercilessly put to death. Then the Germans set off in pursuit of the rest, and all those found by the wayside and in the sandveld were shot down and bayoneted to death. The mass of the Herero men were unarmed and thus unable to offer resistance. They were just trying to get away with their cattle.”
Trotha gave orders that captured Herero males were to be executed, while women and children were to be driven into the desert where their death from starvation and thirst was to be certain; Trotha argued that there was no need to make exceptions for Herero women and children, since these would “infect German troops with their diseases”, the insurrection Trotha explained “is and remains the beginning of a racial struggle”. Regardless, German soldiers regularly raped young Herero women before killing them or letting them die in the desert.
Upon the arrival of new orders at the end of 1904, prisoners were herded into concentration camps, where they were given to private companies as slave labourers or exploited as human guinea pigs in medical experiments…..Prisoners were used for medical experiments and their illnesses or their recoveries from them were used for research.
The Herero genocide has commanded the attention of historians who study complex issues of continuity between the Herero genocide and the Holocaust. It is argued that the Herero genocide set a precedent in Imperial Germany that would later be followed by Nazi Germany’s establishment of death camps.
According to Benjamin Madley, the German experience in South West Africa was a crucial precursor to Nazi colonialism and genocide. He argues that personal connections, literature, and public debates served as conduits for communicating colonialist and genocidal ideas and methods from the colony to Germany. Tony Barta, an honorary research associate at La Trobe University, argues that the Herero genocide was an inspiration for Hitler in his war against the Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, and others described as “non-Aryans”.
According to Clarence Lusane, Eugen Fischer’s medical experiments can be seen as a testing ground for later medical procedures used during the Nazi Holocaust.
Mahmood Mamdani argues that the links between the Holocaust and the Herero genocide are beyond the execution of an annihilation policy and the establishment of concentration camps and that there are ideological similarities in the conduct of both genocides
I think that Thor is trolling us, even so, I see a lot of daylight between him and GR.
Germans didn’t do anything in Africa that other nationalities didn’t do.
It’s okay to be an African partisan, but you really should understand that deadly and mortal conflict between groups is who we (humans) are. Look at the centuries of conflict in Europe (still ongoing), look at the Hutus and Tutsis, look at the Nuer and Dinka, look at Bantu speakers against non-Bantu speakers, look anywhere in the world at any time in history including today.
The ever repeated myth that Africa could substain much higher population.
First: Sahara
Second: Sahel zone -> very arid, conditions are getting worse and that forces the nomads with their cattle to go further South and there are already communal violence between farmers and cattle-herders from Ghana to Kenya.
Third: Central Africa (Congo etc.) -> Despite the jungle, the soil is actually low quality.
Fourth: Institutional/Social memory -> The Tiger economies were already centralized countries with an emperor/king/sultan – privy council – all the way down to the local official/rural gentry. SSA had barely tribal federations. The Communist Party of China’s local secretary is just the modern-day imperial mandarin sent from Beijing.
Food: Some countries (Southern Africa) are able to feed themselves or could be with modern/efficient methods (Simbabwe), but many are already beyond their carrying capacity (Niger, Egypt, Chad).
Fifth: Corruption exist everywhere. But State-Capture is mainly are Arab/African/Central Asian affair.
IMHO: You will see humanitarian catrastrophies in MENA, SSA that will make the famines/civil wars of 1980s look like a picnic. The Syrian/Yemeni civil warand the migration of Young Angry Men to Europe is only the beginning.
Germans were terrible in Namibia but were the best of the colonial powers in their other colonies. Their approach elsewhere was one of building up their Africans to become sort of self-sufficient African “Prussians.” They invested massively in education and hospitals (Swahili word for school is taken form German). This investment paid off in the brilliant performance of outnumbered German-led African troops against the Western powers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Campaign_(World_War_I)
It is ridiculous that the Belgians (given their own terrible history) were given German-African lands as a consequence of a war allegedly fought for democracy and liberty.
Not that I’m one to shed crocodile tears for Africans, but the case of Belgium is distorted. Worth noting that the Belgians stamped out Arab slaving in the Congo. If not for Leopold II and the Force Publique, all of Central Africa would’ve fallen under the control of the Sultanate of Zanzibar and become one giant Arab slave farm.
After passing from Leopold II’s personal ownership, the Belgian Congo became something of a model colony in Africa. Of course within weeks of independence it collapsed into chaos and civil war.
This and other episodes of the end of European rule are documented in the excellent 1966 documentary Addio Africa, which should be required viewing in all public schools to disabuse people of the evil notions of negrophilia and racial equality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K5qVWG5CXU
Regarding your third, I think this could be addressed with industrial level farming – by using fertilizers. Example, Brazil’s Savannah – which was for most of history considered a wasteland. I believe they only had to add lime or some other simple thing.
IMO, there are two, somewhat, remote possibilities of a soft landing.
One is Chinese-run agritrade. Basically, the Chinese run Africa’s arable land in exchange for something profitable to them – maybe minerals or some of the produce.
Second, which seems less likely due to HBD (but perhaps still possible), is that Africans get really serious about reform. I think technology could pick up a lot of slack in this department – there are clever ways to encourage honesty and functionality. The question for me is it possible for the institutional will to exist – at the very least you need good infrastructure. The right conditions (Malthusian timebomb) might provide a real impetus. But, then again, perhaps, it is simply not possible.
It was a joke, but you don’t seem to have much of a sense of humour.
Regarding German colonial atrocities, sure, some of them were among the more extreme colonialist crimes. The continuity thesis (colonial atrocities of imperial Germany as precursor and inspiration for Nazi policies) is controversial though, and the entire issue is highly politicized. In any case, I find your attempt at guilt-tripping tiresome. There’s no way colonial atrocities of more than century ago could with reason be seen as legitimating African mass immigration to Europe today, unless you’re thinking in categories of payback and vengeance.
Something like this may happen in Europe soon.
The war of numbers already exists on the level of immigration – Muslims support it with the expectation that they will gain full control of Europe. There is a real anger – a glint in the eye – when it is opposed.
There are some interesting advances on machine learning, but the central problem of advanced general intelligence seems as elusive now as it was twenty years ago. All other examples of machine learning at this moment are largely domain specific within a limited problem set, the “forklifts winning at weightlifting” issue and are much less efficient than organic systems. At this moment, genetic engineering for intelligence actually seems more likely.
We can’t seem to fully replicate a flatworm behavior, for example, despite complete neural emulation; but we can increase BDNF hormone expression artificially in the brain(and it has positive effect on learning), there’s an identified gene that increases BDNF as well. Either direct increase of the hormone, or editing the gene into hosts will seem to have positive effects.
There are likely probable ways to combine the two, though, and mechanically aid cognitive performance(transcranial direct stimulation, mechanical telepathy, etc). The “wetware” component will probably remain a part of our generation at least.
The normative level of tribal politics is genocide. If Europeans hadn’t shown up when they did, I doubt there would as many tribes in Africa as there are now. But that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on whether you are an African pan-nationalist.
Sure in parts of Africa it’s already the case, but the President (for Life) needs to stay away from the Mugabe virus.
Already happening, but not limited to Chinese only.
The problem is that modern industrial farming doesn’t need that many labourers if you used cutting edge. The technology companies are already running autonoumous system, driver-less tractor and sensor-controlled sprinklers. Those prototypes will soon reach series-production.
Yes you could feed 12 billions already, but what incentives do you give the investors and can unemployed people even afford the food.
Some countries like Ethopia, Kenya, Ghana and Botswana are struggling but they are pulling ahead. They need a nitro-boost. They will defend their borders – ruthlessly. Mark my words!
But the gorillas like Congo-Kinshasa, Nigeria and small flies like Niger might collapse under their own (demographic) weight.
True, the mass immigration into Europe by Africans is profoundly worse and more destructive than anything that happened in Africa in the past. Nobody really cares about your stupid concern trolling as it is clear that the demographic destruction that Europe is facing did not happen in Africa. There are still Africans in Africa, in fact their numbers exploded because of colonialism, on the other hand whites are facing extinction.
I already posted a link debunking the Belgian Shoah in the thread
I recently read David van Reybrouck’s Congo. The epic history of a people. Van Reybrouck comes across as kind of left-wing and in general has a lot of sympathy for the Congolese, but even he is extremely sceptical of the more extreme claims about the Congo Free State (genocide, 10 million dead etc.).
In any case, there was a large humanitarian campaign, and at least the worst abuses were ended when Belgium took over direct rule in 1908.
The reason I mention China specifically is that I believe they alone have a possibility of domestic political support for maintaining their investment and preventing confiscations. Just the possibility – not the certainty.
You bring up a good objection: unemployment. I’ve mentioned it before, but blacks move into the Maghreb and into Yemen, and from Haiti into the DR, because they have greater opportunity for work in those places than their own. There may be some commodity that doesn’t require consumer-level exchange, but can be a medium of trade between governments, like fissionables. Of course, stability would remain a serious problem and handicap to such trade.
I don’t think there is anyone who believes that a city like Lagos can get to 88 million. What will happen to Nigeria is a very interesting question. It will be easy to shut off travel into North Africa, IMO, with the right resolve. The geography favors isolating sub-Sahara.
In my opinion, it comes down to 2 or three things..
this leads me to a rather tenuous association: when I compare Hebrew Bible/Old Testament Pentateuch’s rendition of females (Leah, Rebecca, Rachel, Sarah, ..) they all seem like sex-procreation machines without individuality; their entire “meaning of life” is to get knocked up & to give birth to as many children as possible.
On the other hand, ancient Greeks- the best of their writers- treat women as individuals, especially Sophocles & Euripides. But, even a man’s man like Aeschylus give us unforgettable Clytemnestra in “Oresteia”. Of course, these women were seen from male perspective- but they are ravishing. Is it something in Western mind, that all whites/Europeans have inherited, that pushes for individualism, however intermittently? That gives women potentiality for individualization, which they themselves would not have the power nor will to obtain or fight for? Is individualism “genetically” Western thing, while others assimilate only aspects of it, only in portions they can digest?
So- generally, women go with the flow.
It would explain why it is natural that women, wherever they can break free from idiotic routine of housewife life, prefer to have not many children, mostly 1 or 2. This is the same for educated women in France, Italy, Russia, China, Japan, Sweden, Canada,..
Only Israel seems to be different (unlike US Jews). Why? There, not only religious female nuts, but even Harvard PhD psychologists, pediatricians,… may have 4 or 5 children. How so?
I guess this is because:
a) they go with the flow, and in this case it is nationalism & demographic steeplechase with Muslim Arab natives
b) perhaps even secular Israeli Jewish culture is, basically, not fully Western? Maybe both men & women remain refurbished Mid-Easterners?
Be as it may, only Western men, from Paris to Petrograd, from London to Ottawa and Buenos Aires, not only let, but actively push individuality on their females. So, low birth rate in the West (Sweden, Poland, ..) is a conflation of male individualism & female wish for an easier, more gratifying life without fussing around too many children who’re constantly screaming & nagging. In other corners of earth (Japan, China, modernized Iran,..) it is just a second component.
While, the natural condition among Africans, most Mestizos & Arab browns seems to remain female procreational animalism as described in the Pentateuch.
In both cases, women go with the flow, either having post-modern pseudo-individual fun & not having babies or pumping out babies because that’s their natural position in the chain of life.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eWXRintPmGQ
Need to have a serious sit down with your real estate agent…
Peace.
HiI am pretty sure that Montaigne did not say that, or that you’re distorting it somehow.
Do you have a quote for that? I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
Montaigne is often misrepresented as the father of modernity, even though he was a Taoist.
Montaigne is a pleasure reserved for the few. The modern mind is out of sympathy with him.
Anyways, quote?
Also, since the centerpiece of Montaignes philosophy was to go with the flow and be natural, then he was subtly complimenting women, if he said that.
If he said this, then his father did not beat him enough for disrespecting his mother.
Those societies that refuse to recognize the immense innate spiritual capacity in women and those that do not give them a proper outlet for such will eat themselves alive for underestimating what the word “mother” means.
https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/w/williammakepeacethackeray/137822/williammakepeacethackeray1-2x.jpg
Peace.
I think these stories about the demographic demise of China are vastly exaggerated.
Last year they had around 18 million children – which is pretty much the same as the combined total of the EU and the entirety of the Americas. If repeated each year for the total of a Chinese life expectancy (let’s say around 75 years) then this produces a population of 1.2-1.3 billion, which is more or less the current population.
Now of course the number of births will decrease as the age group pyramids get less bottom-heavy (unless TFR increases) but even if TFR stays the same the Chinese will still be pumping out 13-14 million babies in 50 years time. Considering Russia is happy with 1.8 million these days, rest assured the Chinese will still be having more than enough to maintain civilisational cohesion and strength in numbers. Of course, if nothing changes in 150 years then you can start worrying but that’s pointless.
Indeed. White babies are quite adorable – why don’t they want more of them?
Peace.
Having them is necessary but not sufficient, with mass immigration there is a near endless source of non whites entering. Then there is the bigger problem of miscegenation (heavily propagandized by Hollywood and other jew dominated media), what is the point of having 10 white children if they end up producing brown offspring themselves? The solution is mass deportations and probably much more drastic measures than that.
And I don’t want peace, peace is probably the worst thing for white people right now.
I don’t support mass immigration so I’m fine with shutting that down.
That goes back to my original question.
Possibly – I honestly don’t know what the solution is because I’m not really sure what the goal is…but that’s something for the White populations of the West to come to some sort of understanding on.
Peace.
He changes his perspective, but the dominant tone remains of equating women with “nature” (although, to be fair, Montaigne remains ambivalent about “nature” & its position). I wouldn’t say he said they were not human, biologically (after all, he was not lunatic). Just, it was a value judgment, and I think this is summed up pretty well here: https://archives.columbusstate.edu/gah/1989/119-130.pdf
As for good or bad, going with the flow is dominant world-view that has been leaving the world in the dust. Simply- West is the best.
The West is best, other views of the world… none of that matters any more mow that I’ve been informed I can live in a HG reservation in Montana.
As they say, you do you, Kaldian, you do you, and I will do me.
It’s an interesting topic.
At the same time, I think answer to mystery, is very understandable and quite simple explanation – when see the desire of different communities to not be outnumbered, and talking openly about each other as a “demographic threat”.
It’s not only Arabs threatening to secular public, but also religious Jews (even though both these population’s now have falling birthrates in Israel – from very high starting point).
Arab population inside Israel was historically one of the fastest growing in world. It grew from a small number in 1948, to large number of today (even despite millions of Jews immigrating to Israel, Muslim share of population increased).
Even a million people immigrating from the Soviet Union in the 1990s, only slows a trend of increasing Islamization of demographics in Israel.
https://i.imgur.com/GA6au0h.png
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A civilized person in Israel, is under dual pressure of living directly mixed together with (1) Palestinian Arabs/Muslims (one of the world’s most threatening/uncivilized populations which would destroy a normal lifestyle in a developed country, and which is now over 20% of the internal population of the country). At the same time, they are also mixed with (2) growing populations of extremist Jewish religious cults (who want to return the country to medieval superstition- about 10% of the population of country belonging to most extreme and primitive form of Jewish cult, Haredi Judaism).
Place where everyone is living right next to each other, in a geographically small area, so all demographic threats are made visible in a way which is not in large countries (where people are much more geographically separate, and demographic threats are only abstract).
Modern people, who don’t want to commit to future there also leave as soon as they can to live in America/Canada/Australia/Russia, etc. So not to emigrate for secular couples in Israel, is already a political decision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage
Age of first marriage in Israel is significantly higher (few years) than Russia, even though birthrates more than twice higher than Russia. (Other variables are equal, – e.g. abortion, is also available to everyone and funded freely by Israeli healthcare, no different to in Russia)
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Overall age of mother at birth also increasing at same time as rising fertility rates overall, and the average age at birth is over 30.
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Finally, birthrates fell to around 2, among the Druze and Arab Christians:
Coverage is only discussing trends though. Druze fertility is now the same as the secular fertility rate in Israel (secular fertility rate in Israel, although now above replacement, is still one of the lowest).
Okinawa is a clean and pleasant place where a record number of people live past 100. Even on backwoods roads, not a piece of garbage lies around; so safe that teenage girls stand by the roadside alone selling ice cream.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/okinawa-soba/albums/72157634529695584
Their low-scoring people are not like others’ low-scoring people, even if average score (a measure not unlike average temperature in the hospital) really counts.
Number of tanks which are active and operational in Ukraine, will be far lower than this.
It will be at best a similar story to numbers of T-80s in Russia. There are over 3000 in storage now. Yet actual number of T-80 which are operating today is only several hundreds.
In Poland, American force deployed with over 200 tanks.
However, in any way you can count, Russia will still have more (even high quality) tanks in relevant parts of Europe than NATO + Ukraine, even before accounting for any production of T-14.
And with deterrence impact, probably Law of Diminishing Returns in producing suddenly thousands of T-14, as combined NATO + Ukraine are already outnumbered in terms of tanks in the region.
Not safe for some people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident
Well according to this study, Okinawa still has the same “IQ score” average as Denmark.
Japan is just superelevated. So the lowest scoring region in Japan, receives the same scores as Denmark or the US average.
While a couple of places in Japan (like Akita prefecture ) are superelevated with an average IQ of 108 (which is matched in the world only by Singapore or Hong Kong).
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As for whether “IQ scores” measure anything important? I’m sceptical about importance of “IQ tests” (without knowing much about the topic), but it’s still somehow interesting.
In Michael Crichton’s Congo, I seem to remember there were evil gorilla-chimp-human hybrids.
Too complicated to give a full answer. Personally, I think that Palestinian Arabs will lose, sooner or later. Their demographic “strategy” (to call it that) will turn out to be disaster to them- they’re not fighting lefty liberal Europeans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwgJIyTunCk
Most Israelis here are, in my opinion, too cautious…. If it comes to the pinch, Arabs will be booted.
OT
J-20 production is slow to take off either.
http://www.atimes.com/article/plas-j-20-fighters-years-away-from-mass-production/
By the way- not worthy of reading the whole stuff- but as an illustration (I’ve come across this):
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/celebrating-70-extraordinary-women-of-israel/
Celebrating 70 extraordinary women of Israel
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etc. etc.
Demographers seem to write a lot of papers about Israel, which answer some kind of questions we talk about.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b59e/5cde0d660f36ba97a129a533fddc2ee8500a.pdf
Quotes from this 2004 article:
Russian-speaking immigrants of 1970s converged in behaviour.
Jews – even lower fertility rates in Soviet Union than non-Jews in Soviet Union, reaching fertility rate of 0.8 in early 1990s.
Contraception use maybe less relevant there.
Diagram discussing different populations inside Israel. So with people from Soviet Union, the slightly earlier childbirth age. (Same as in Russia ).
https://i.imgur.com/l2Zqj64.jpg
Ethiopian fertility rate falling in 1990s Israel, but FSU immigrants not much rising.
https://i.imgur.com/G56vYgd.jpg
Lol, that article has an eerie similarity to a thread here: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/brussels-impressions/#comment-2236513
Though perhaps a liiittle bit better researched.
In summary, Hochschild’s scary genocide numbers seem to be bunk. Greatly exaggerated. Humanities types BTFO.
No, this is the number of active ones. Ukraine has a few thousand in storage, needing repair. Ukraine has been upgrading and bringing out a few hundred tanks per year.
For Baltics, yes. For sweeping through Ukraine, no.
I don’t think active numbers can be so high, e.g. 713 for these T-64.
Wikipedia article was linking to this source: https://www.iiss.org/publications/the-military-balance/the-military-balance-2017
(I’m not sure if any of us know how to pirate this book?)
Most of these Tank Т-64БВ from 1984 – will surely be most in some yards (and not used).
Ukraine is doing a lot of different modernizing of some of these in last decades.
Modernization projects seem to be a few dozen tanks at a time.
Ukraine lists its tanks without numbers –
http://www.mil.gov.ua/ministry/ozbroennya-ta-texnika/suxoputnix-vijsk/tanki.html
We know of this T-84 they boast about though, there’s only about a dozen actually built.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIDE7ZmfkZ4
Apologies to others for offtopic, but since we have this discussion last week with you and Gerard.
New article is published in Israeli English media about offshoring in Ukraine.
I’m not economist, but I can’t see how this would not be bad for Israel. (It would be much better for Israel, if they coerced instead currently unemployed Haredim and Arabs for these jobs, and keep the income inside its country).
At the same time, according to this article, you were right that salaries can be $2,500 per month in Ukraine. Probably Ukraine’s economy has some optimism in this area.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-ukraine-offers-lowcost-hightech-professionals-1001247913
I’ve just heard new facet of the standard China/Africa comparison: “Africa is China’s China.”
It is like they are fitting two jokes into one. Though I still prefer Djibouti as the new Singapore. It has a certain humorous euphony, which probably can’t be exceeded in English.
While the stuff about chopping off limbs has made its way to Wikipedia, it never made any sense to me. That’s the kind of thing Africans did, and continue to do today in civil disturbances and full-fledged wars. Here’s a passage from Alternative Hypothesis that contests Wikipedia’s account:
I wouldn’t even judge the Africans involved too harshly, given that it is likely that their rules of engagement were precisely the rules that have prevailed since time immemorial there – i.e. there are no rules because human enemies are far more dangerous than even the largest and fiercest predators. The book War Before Civilization looks at the kinds of things people did to survive against other human rivals, based on archaeological finds, and it’s far worse than what Leopold’s native troops did in using Leopold’s weapons and training to fulfill their parochial, sectarian goals against their traditional African rivals.
Van Reybrouck in the book I mentioned above had the following explanation: According to him the native troops in the service of the free state had to account for all the ammunition they used when sent out without European supervision, because their superiors didn’t want them to waste ammo on hunting game. So they adopted the practice of chopping off the hands of people they had killed, to show as proof what they had used their ammo for.
Certainly disturbing enough, but it seems chopping off the limbs of living people (instead of corpses) wasn’t as widespread as is often believed.
It almost sounds like you’re afraid of me.
NIGGER.
Why? Sources typically state that Ukraine has about 2,200 tanks:
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=ukraine
This large number obviously includes ones in storage.
Here is a detailed article from 2017 describing Ukraine’s military improvements:
https://www.osw.waw.pl/sites/default/files/prace_66_ang_best_army_ukraine_net.pdf
On page 27 it lists tanks and armored combat vehicles together. From 2014-2017 about 140 were built and 8,000 were repaired (some were repaired more than once). It doesn’t list tanks separately, but the number of 800 in active service would be reasonable given such figures.
Correct. Modernizing and repairing 10 T-64s costs as much as building one T-84. Ukraine has a couple thousand or so of T-64s in storage so it has mostly been modernizing them.
During the strong Europe tank challenge in 2017 Ukraine’s team used a modernized T-64 and came in 5th place out of six teams, beating the Polish group with its Leopard 2A5:
https://www.sofmag.com/watch-the-strong-europe-tank-challenge-see-how-u-s-scored/
In 2018 Ukraine used a T-84 and came in last place, due partially to the field conditions but also due to glitches wit the tank itself. So until these problems are solved, it’s probably good that Ukraine has about 700 modernized T-64s and only a dozen or so T-84s.
Thank you and others for the additional info.
IN Iran, decades of sanctions and threat from the US has played a big part, I think. The average Iranian is quite poor. Huge wealth disparity, like the US
Of course. This is very obvious in Lviv – there are tons of restaurants and cafes, and recently luxury stores have popped up (there is now Armani, for example). Shoppers aren’t crooks or some sort of oligarchs but well-paid people in this industry. And there are enough of them to support such consumption.
They just started building this in Lviv:
https://itcluster.lviv.ua/en/u-lvovi-ctartuye-budivnytstvo-it-park-vartistyu-160-mln-dolariv/
German_reader was saying that I haven’t been talking enough about Trump and American politics lately. So I will attempt to somewhat rectify that now.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/paul-manafort-no-deal.58969/
Okay, this ties in a few things: 1. The Mueller/Trump saga 2. American liberals obsession with Russia and 3. Something Felix touched on earlier: the tendency of American rank and file liberals to be totally retarded
What’s happening is Manafort, through his lawyer, today came out and said that he will never cooperate with Mueller under any circumstances, ever. One of the reasons Manafort is taking this hard line is because Mueller is a total moron who has no case and Manafort rightly expects to beat the charges, either at trial or on appeal.
However, since rank and file American left wingers are retarded they have a different explanation: Manafort is refusing to flip because he knows that if he does so that Putin will kill him (Manafort) along with his entire family. Manafort has been doing Putin’s dirty work for decades and Putin will never let that info come to life.
I would like to remind people that Manafort’s lobbying career was largely for Ukraine, not Russia but apparently American Leftists agree with the Russian nationalist position that the two are actually the same thing.
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Definitely check out the thread. As a general rule I would recommend that you spend at least 3 hours a day reading ResetEra.
As a father of two daughters, I disagree though I get your point
Unfortunately for you and your ilk there are enough good people in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas who will make sure your lies, cover ups and fake histories will not stand:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/35/181.html
Leopold’s “rubber terror” raised a lot of hairs in Britain, America and continental Europe (particularly between the years 1900-1908). But while they were condemning Leopold’s barbarity, his accusers were committing much the same atrocities against Africans elsewhere on the continent.
Hochschild cannot fathom how the reform movement in Europe focused exclusively on Leopold’s Congo when “if you reckon [the] mass murder by the percentage of the population killed”, the Germans did as much in Namibia, if not worse, than Leopold in Congo.
“What happened in the Congo was indeed mass murder on a vast scale, but the sad truth is that the men who carried it out for Leopold were no more murderous than many Europeans then at work or at war elsewhere in Africa. Conrad said it best [in his book, Heart of Darkness, based on the brutalities in the Congo]: ‘All Europe contributed to the making of Kurtz’.”
Hochshild believes that Kurtz was Leon Rom in real life. Rom was born in Mons in Belgium. Poorly educated, he joined the Belgian army aged 16. Nine years later, aged 25 in 1886, he found himself in the Congo in search of adventure. He became district commissioner at Matadi and was later put in charge of the African troops in Leopold’s murderous Force Publique army in the Congo.
Rom’s brutality knew no bounds. It was such that even the white people working with him were shocked to their boots.
“When Rom was station chief at Stanley Falls,” Hochshild reveals, “the governor general sent a report back to Brussels about some agents who ‘have the reputation of having killed masses of people for petty reasons’. He mentions Rom’s notorious flower bed rigged with human heads, and then adds: ‘He kept a gallows permanently erected in front of the station’.”
Morel’s campaign in Europe and America finally forced Britain to ask its consul in Congo, the Irish patriot Sir Roger Casement, to make an investigative trip all over Congo and report. Casement’s findings were so damning that the Foreign Office in London was too embarrassed that it could not publish the original…..Casement’s description of “sliced hands and penises was far more graphic and forceful than the British government had expected”.
Asia times is trash. In fact all mainstream media reporting on Chinese military affairs is mostly trash, particularly when they quote Pinkov (aka Andrei Chang) who is a running joke in some circles. Even when they get their facts right, rare enough, they draw completely nonsensical conclusions. It’s like how the Western media uses Julia Ioffe or Masha Gessen to write about all things Russia which I’m sure our host Mr. Karlin can give you an earful about that. Even the so-called think tanks are trash because they are filled with time filling interns and pomo-globo types who for obvious reasons aren’t as smart as they think they are. Even worse, if the author of the piece is a woman, it should be automatically treated as fish wrap.
The only place to get up to the minute info about Chinese military in English is oddly enough on social media. Andreas Rupprecht literally wrote the book on the Chinese Air Force. I do mean literally, Harpia published his tour de force overview of the PLAAF circa 2012, a new updated book on Chinese naval aviation, and an updated edition of the PLAAF circa 2018. You will find nothing better written in English on the subject. Another source is Henri Kenhmann who also writes about the Chinese military, though he is more interested in naval affairs. He I believe works/worked for Airbus and spent several years in China working on the A320 production and actually has first experience with the Chinese aerospace industry, or at least the civilian sector. Either case, both bring the all attention to detail and autistic passion for their subject of interest that middle aged European men can muster. Unfortunately Henri mostly writes in French though, but Andreas is easily accessible in English in addition to German.
Come on, Thugfinnson is so obviously a psychopath. Clever and knowledgeable but with zero moral compass. Stereotypically evil.
I want to agree, but with a caveat. The real problem with education is that it raises the self perceived reproductive status of women to the degree while also damaging their actual reproductive status (a wasted youth and thus beauty). When everyone aspires to live the carefree life of a modern Bourbon, there will be no one to replace us. Elite female fertility has always been very low historically speaking, with huge numbers of elite girls ending up in nunneries without ever having any children at all.
The problem with female status is that it massively depresses female fertility by restricting their pool of allowed mates to men of even higher status. The problem is that men of higher status doesn’t want a Harvard mba or a Princeton PhD, which women are fooled into believing is actually useful, they want a youthful beautiful feminine wife. So at best you get wasteful credentialism of a woman who spent years in graduate school and never working once they’ve found an even higher status husband while stealing a spot from a man or at worse you get cats for grandchildren.
Actually I have a great sense of humor. I just can’t relate to the “sense of humor” of your ilk. I imagine you and the Thug are akin to the humorous guy in the second picture in the link below from Leopold’s Congo which I can’t post for obvious reasons:
https://africanquarters.com/forgotten-european-atrocities-in-africa/
So what is the current status of the plane? How many have they built and how many are they building yearly?
You mean, he’s like Victor Von Doom? He sounds even cooler than before now.
I can confirm. It worked with me fine for several years. It’s way more comfortable than a condom.
He’s trolling. I don’t think any of the commenters are psychopathic here.
A thousand battle tanks are not that many. Yes, Hungary currently has just 34 (and in reality just a dozen or so), but in the 1980s we had over a thousand, mostly the then already dated T-55, but we also had the then kinda modern T-72. Based on that, I’m sure that a country the size of Hungary could easily field hundreds of modern battle tanks, so Ukraine must be able to do so as well.
Ah, you mean the first child? It’s obviously part of a woman’s strategy to chain the guy to herself. The reason those guys are reluctant is because they want to keep their options open. But I actually don’t know many couples where that was the case. I know a few where the husband seemed relatively uninterested in the project, mostly in the sense of “children are good, but I don’t care so much, and won’t do a stroke of work about it.” That’s of course not active opposition.
I know a couple where the wife wanted a second child but the husband opposed, and so they only have one child. I know two couples where the husband wanted more children but they only have one child because the wife doesn’t want the discomfort of childbearing. I also know a couple where the husband said (to me, years before meeting his wife, and he’s still saying that) that he wanted 2-4 children, more than four being too many and less than two too few. They have two children, because his wife said in no uncertain terms that she won’t give birth to more children.
I also know a guy who had a divorced mother girlfriend who explicitly ruled out having a second child. (I think it was one of the reasons he broke up with her.)
It’s obvious that women bear the brunt of the burden of having children. They also get crazy if they have no children, but having just one child is usually enough to prevent that. For guys it just doesn’t matter much, but I don’t think they are usually so strongly opposed to having a second child or further children. It’s simply not that much of a sacrifice for a guy. It’s a sacrifice for the woman, and they often strongly oppose it because of this.
On the other hand, guys don’t care that much. And they rarely tell distant acquaintances that they want more children (which desire is usually not considered very manly) and especially that their wives prevented them from having more children. People don’t want to advertise being beta.
It’s like you never heard of the rise of cognitively assortative marriages in the U.S.
But I think he has a point.
Men usually want a physically attractive woman with a nice personality. Being very smart is not terribly important, and having credentials is even less important.
Assortative mating is the result of being around women of similar status (e.g. meeting your wife while both of you were attending Harvard or while working for the same Big Four consultancy firm etc.), but it’s not something guys actively seek out. Being smart is a nice bonus in a pretty woman, and being credentialed just doesn’t matter.
Current status seems to be low rate initial production as of the beginning of 2017. Keep in mind that PLAAF current funding only allows for about the introduction of 50-60 tactical aircraft per year average out over the last decade or so don’t expect USAF numbers with their $700 billion budget.
Aircraft inventory estimates are derived from open source photography of aircraft, location of photographs, and coded bort numbers which are sequential and identify unit. Current active inventory of J-20 is at a minimum 0f 20 spread out across the 9th, 172nd, and 176th brigades. Gaps in photographed aircraft generally means that an airframe exists, its just that it has yet to be captured in a photo. As two of these are combat training brigades, it is presently unknown just what size a J-20 brigade/regiment will ultimately be as this depends on both aircraft and role. For example a J-10 Air Force brigade is 28 aircraft (with 4 twin seaters), while a J-11 comprises only 24 aircraft when fully equipped. For the PLANAF, their J-10 and J-11 brigades/regiments are identical at 24 aircraft a piece. Su-30 and strike aircraft units are generally smaller still at 20.
That USED to be the case. Nowadays, intelligent men want their children to be smart, not just beautiful and dumb.
Classic example: doctors used to marry pretty nurses. Now they marry other doctors (or lawyers).
Supposedly there is a small correlations between attractiveness and IQ, so it’s not like one has to choose between the two. I certainly didn’t.
There may be some share of crooks and bandits as well. This is the Ukraine. 😉
The average Iranian is wealthier than the average Chinese. But they really have more young men, than they know what to do with.
A younger, more populous China would have been less stable. A less stable China would have been less attractive as a manufacturing hub for Western multinationals. It could have been a very different country, and not in the way Karlin imagines it.
Are you saying that high TFR numbers are bad?
China has a low unemployment rate, not sure how a bigger youth cohort would have been problematic.
Here are a few quotations from Casement’s report
He describes the native soldiers carrying out the mutilation without the Belgians’ knowledge
Such massacres were common among tribes in the region before Europeans arrived, (this is from another part of the report) ;
Of course there were some sadists who were attracted to it and encouraged the cruelty of the natives, but the cases of mutilation Casement describes were mostly carried out by natives on their own initiative, in accordance with their customs. The only way to blame Europeans for it is if you consider that Africans have no agency of their own.
When we do, we hire one.
Yeah, but they don’t show- why?
I would say that it is Zionism, or Jewish nationalism as the prime motivator for higher than average fertility among relatively well-off secular Jews. Demographic marathon with Muslims, that’s it.
Zionism is, contrary to Jewish and antisemitic myths, a typical 19th C national ideology from central & eastern Europe. So, various orthodox religionists may have higher fertility because they’re, basically, pre-modern; on the other hand, fertile Israeli Jews need not be religious nor patriarchally backward.
Nationalism & ethnic claustrophobia (sea of Arabs around them) are more than enough to explain this anomaly.
A simple effect of herding together eligible young men and women with similar SAT scores (and, parents hope, similar social status).
In this sense, getting an MBA could be seen as the hail mary of marriage strategies.
Would you have married a homely physician before a pretty nurse?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuVmtyw9pd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfAwG4kPOLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vaafty1YK6M
I’m saying that the Chinese communists made the correct decision at the time. People forget how destitute China was: it has yet to catch up with Russia (in GDP per capita) after decades of breakneck growth.
The link DFH shared specifically rebutted Hochschild (a mischling, incidentally).
I response, you quoted…Hochschild?
Are you retarded?
Rhetorical. Nigger.
Not trolling other than that I delight in attacking these we wuz kangz retards.
As a European you might not get it.
In America, because of a baffling high level policy decision to worship negroes, we’ve watched blacks destroy city after city. A cursory observation of blacks outside of America confirms that they’re toxic and destructive just about everywhere.
I’m not supportive of pan-nationalism which I consider a completely cucked idea. Africa has a lot of resources worth exploiting. Why should we let those resources go to waste?
The objection to this idea is that it creates a danger of future liberals agitating for the “human rights” of lawless Africans, but my position is that anyone with leftist inclinations should be shot to begin with.
Alternatively, perhaps we could create a meme that they’re not human. They might be more different from us than coyotes are from wolves. Hard to whinge about “dehumanization” (using this term should result in an immediate trip to a concentration camp) if SCIENCE no longer considers the target in question human.
Bliss of course considers this all very eeeeeeevil since the blacks are like low-grade Jews. The only thing they care about is if it’s good for the black ego (they’re too stupid to care about actual outcomes, only feelings matter).
Wrong question. I would have married a chaste woman, be she a doctor or a nurse. And I did.
But, again, the choice you present is a false one. I might also add that obesity is highly correlated to education in the U.S. Obesity is not attractive, especially on women.
I agree that “Bliss” is an aggravating idiot, but that’s not nice and reflects poorly on you.
What a trash people. I hate Iranians with all my heart and soul and even I was expecting better that that utter garbage in human form. Is the average IQ in Iran like 70? That’s what one would think by watching those videos, and those are just the educated urban class. Imagine how stupid the people in the countryside must be.
Just say no to the Iranian people.
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Gotta say, I love that Iranian nose, though. It’s so aristocratic.
I agree. Sub saharan African’s are human beings and nobody should violate their basic human rights, but they should not have the right to self determination. They simply cannot handle it.
Your post is full of stupid.
Two important points:
a) There is no such thing as a ‘housewife life’. The ‘housewife’ is a perverted post-WWII American invention, enabled by the immense resource surplus of the time. Women have worked as much as men in every human culture in history.
b) The phrase ‘pumping out babies’ is moronic. Having kids is really hard work. Even getting pregnant is really hard work. (Even if enjoyable.)
The main reason why birthrates plummet among the modern man is because being a modern man (or woman) is exhausting. Just keeping yourself alive up and to a decent living standard is too hard. Most people don’t have the mental fortitude to add on top of that the hard work of childbirth.
That’s funny coming from you. Thugfinnson is just a more extreme version of you. Your hatred of blacks, hispanics, jews, indians, liberals etc approaches psychopathic levels as well. As does your pompous vanity and boastfulness.
Btw, where were you when the sleazy Thug’s french friend, Monsieur Tell, called your people “chink” in this page?
It looks like you’re relapsing into the Adolph Hitler mode again. It’s a shame, because for a while it looked like you were making some real progress. Since you have such a severe case of these ‘evil’ spirits , it’s clear that you need a more prolonged and steady treatment plan with the old #45. Please get back into it before you start to chew up the local carpets. Okay?
Yawn….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVk8rU11acE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-G413sl0A
Some people blame the Belgians for the Rwandan Genocides, which I think is really quite remarkable. Breathtaking – almost. Externalizing the blame makes perfect sense for the Rwandans, but is rather shocking when whites do it.
Weren’t you playing dumb about the forced prostitution solution on another thread?
The main cause of low birthrates is women’s education and gender equality.
How ignorant and oppressed do you think women need to be to have a healthy birth rate, Mr. Liu? Be specific.
Thorfinnsson comes out for the perpetual ignorance and forced prostitution solution. If women having equal rights is the problem, Thorfinnsson, why don’t you tell us which of our rights you would like to take away.
It’s amazing what ethnic pride will do, isn’t it?
They’re not getting credentials in order to impress men, they’re doing it to safeguard their future, because they consider men unreliable as providers, and not without very good reason.
No it didn’t, you imbecile. Lie all you want but your crooked cabal can’t convince anyone outside your demonic circle jerks that the Belgians in Congo were on a humanitarian mission.
They were just like you: evil.
Btw, it wasn’t long after the Congo genocide that Europeans started applying the same racial rhetoric they used against africans and mongoloids to each other. Was it?
The Nazis tried to replicate in Eastern Europe what the Belgians had done in Congo, the Germans in Namibia etc. Slavs became “subhumans” who deserved to be genocided and enslaved by their racial superiors. Jews and Gypsies didn’t deserve to exist at all. You obviously see nothing wrong with that either, right?
I may a bit of a Debbie Downer on some forms of military tech, but I think the history of American stealth should be referenced:
The US has had respectable stealth capability for close to 40 years. In that time it has been used to bomb Iraqis twice, and also Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia. The Nighthawk was used in Panama in 1989, but the canal was given over to the Panamanians in 2000, anyway.
In summary, it is basically useless. It can be used against 3rd world countries, but with no positive long term effect. They probably would have been better off continuing to manufacture B-52 Bombers which need less maintenance and can carry more ordinance.
It’d be useless against a nuclear power. At least any with a respectable arsenal like the US and Russia or ballistic submarines. India may be a something joke on that last front, but even I, who am no India-booster, think they will have a few operating soon.
It’s the Current Year! BTW, there are 52 genders, educate yourself.
Anyway, that men(even of the Current Year) generally find female high status inelastic or negative to marriage preference is not some grand new discovery. Fairly well documented.
I’m sure you get it if you read the above again.
You claim there are no trade offs required in this respect? Intelligent women are also always beautiful? If so, I would have to disagree.
Intelligent women are less stylish and made up, but not less attractive. We make it a point to repel shallow men.
TFR by named country:
Zimbabwe: 3.626
Malawi: 4.492
The Gambia: 5.318
Liberia: 4.481
Tanzania: 4.924
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/total-fertility-rate/
https://qz.com/931253/the-highest-share-of-women-in-the-workforce-globally-are-found-in-these-african-countries/
Prostitution involves the woman actually leaving you alone once you’re through with her.
You could learn something from this Rosie.
Well, I think its quite fit to purpose, for a relatively limited purpose. The expected demand among the air force is to engage in missions against third world nations, with no casualties at all; for that purpose, stealth works very well against older or just generally less well-organized systems.
Its useful against peer level nations, just much less so, and its debatable whether the additional cost is worth the increased limited defense it gets from limited low visibility(and anti-locking). At the end of the day, even perfect radar stealth(not that there is such a thing) won’t stop a IR missile from ruining your day.
You’re not going to tell me which of my rights you would like to take away are you, Thorfinnsson?
Women always consider men unreliable. I’ll bet real money that even Meghan Markle is now nagging prince Harry all day about being a loser. It’s just how women are, one can’t really take it seriously.
That said, yes, modern life generally sucks and requires people to expend vastly more effort to get what used to come for free in centuries past.
Thorfinson? As far as we know him from text on a screen, he seems one of the more liberal and entertaining people in the forum.
His negative rapport with Africans is seeming uncivilized and primitive, but probably more just of a normal, stereotypical American viewpoint, like in Greasy William who has the same comments about Latinos and Iranians.
American has a schizophrenia here – a culture based around genocide and hatred between its constituent ethnicities, with a history lynching each other, but where then other Americans arrive and covering up their mutual hatreds, and propagandize the other countries of the world about how they all love each other, and that it’s a multiracial paradise where everyone harmoniously studies physics together as in latest Spiderman film.
Latter is a beautiful ideal, but just an ideal (and propagandized as if it’s a reality of America around the world). Probably more subtle reality of American society, is that the competition between races is part of the secret of the industrious personality of the American people.
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Atmosphere is actually like in Karlin’s multicultural forum.
https://youtu.be/5u4Z9DPaEog?t=1m46s
Particularly when they dump their wives for younger women.
What is reliable these days of gig jobs of “new economy” and when people move 11 times a lifetime on average?
Vote, own property, drive a car, sign contracts, testify in court, and most importantly of all women will no longer be allowed to purchase televisions based on the time my concubine’s father offered to buy her any TV she wanted and she chose a 32″ TV (?!).
None of the views you just listed are common among Americans.
Rosie in Israel I don’t think it’s some abstract thing like “pride” though, maybe more like “survival instincts”.
More fact they are in a dusty Middle-Eastern, ethnic-conflict disaster zone (which should be complete “shit hole” – where even just the cockroaches will give nightmares to a normal person), living mixed up in constant war and terrorism in the heart of the Arab world (which lives both outside and inside the same country), and somehow survive through willpower and self-brutalization.
Even for people in 1990s post-Soviet countries, when they immigrated to Israel, they were feeling like “Wtf this is a brutal environment”.
There’s a funny comment I found on Quora which tells you something it was like there not so far ago:
https://www.quora.com/Has-Israel-ever-elected-a-Mizrahi-Jew-as-president-and-if-not-why/answer/Anna-Vinogradova-1
Here’s my proposal: No man may vote unless and until he has a daughter.
With that simple, common sense proposal, none of your other unnecessary insults to women’s rights and dignity would ever come to pass.
That’s fairly impressive actually. I wonder how they deal with child care issues while the women are working? School, grandparents, extended family?
I knew of someone who studied in the Sahel Desert and reported it was very common for a child to be raised by the community – they were a tribal culture – to the point where if a breastfeeding woman saw a toddler child that wasn’t hers crying for food or their mother, she would pick up the child and breastfeed it.
Peace.
Americans aren’t the Borg. His opinions are right of, but essentially typical of red states. The “multicultural” paradise is blue state attitudes, especially cities.
In some ways, it’s the rural vs urban split which has characterized the US since inception with Jeffersonian Democrats vs Federalists.
Nothing, and there you have the reason for low birth rates among intelligent future-oriented peoples who are prone to economic anxiety.
Dmitry: do your rootless Chiloni friends know that they only have 20 years before the Haredim take over and exterminate them?
When I try to explain to Chilonim that their time is almost up the response I usually get is “lalalalalalalala!!! I can’t hear you!!!!”. Trying to explain to them the government’s own figures about secular emigration and how nearly 40% of Jewish babies born in Israel today are to Haredi parents and it just doesn’t get through to them.
I think this is because Israeli culture is very “meh, whatever. Everything will work out.” That may work against the Palestinians but it won’t help them against the Haredim.
Indeed, in a highly individualistic, sink-or-swim culture, couples will avoid children if they have access to birth control. That’s why financial incentives don’t work. What’s needed is a safety net.
why don’t we just get rid of voting, period. That way all this women’s rights stuff becomes irrelevant.
One of the many plagues of modernity, along with feminism.
BTW Thorfinnsson, that’s true, but then prostitutes don’t have to do your laundry, so I guess it all comes out in the wash lol!
Every now and then, I feel a strong sense of deja vu here.
Is time circular? Is it linear? Is it only a misperception of motion and space?
Which you define as women having the basic rights that Thorfinnsson wants to take away, I suspect.
The thing is, even if such a thing were even remotely possible, it wouldn’t do a damned bit of good. As long as economically insecure (not independently wealthy) couples have access to contraception, they will avoid children.
Internet access?
Well no, because there’s still our objection to forced prostitution you’ll have to deal with.
Not really. Refer to my earlier posts on this topic; it depends on other aspects of the economic structure as well.
I am overall opposed to chemical contraception anyway, since it causes brain alteration and likely is part of why unpleasant women like you exist in greater proportion than the norm.
Perhaps we are lacking a dimension or two.
I see a business opportunity.
You looking for work Rosie?
BTW, I expect this economic anxiety weighs heavily on men. Recent statistics indicate that couples who have a girl are no more likely to have additional children that couples who have a boy. Despite stating an overwhelming preference for sons, they don’t insist on trying again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/upshot/americans-might-no-longer-prefer-sons-over-daughters.html
Sure in America it’s just like in Spiderman Homecoming, and people actually love each other’s different races (as less open ones might claim), and the mutual hatred is just a rumour spread by foreigners, or product of some “atypical” (rather, honest and open) people like you guys.
With utopian ideals, it’s often more insightful to realize they are a symptom of what a person lacks.
To a subtle reader, New York Times articles – can seem even more racist, or product of racial conflicts, than you two (more honestly expressing Americans)
Nietzsche was often writing about this, and his own life is maybe the best example – his constant obsession with health and vitality, from a man with extremely fragile and poor health.
America has many ideals of racial harmony?
Well on flag of Brazil it is presented the writing “Order and Progress” . Do we believe that Brazil is a country of “Order and Progress”, because it’s their ideal – or rather that it’s their ideal, because “Order and Progress” precisely lacking in Brazil?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/1200px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png
Thanks. If an alien from a culture that has a gender imbalance from aborting millions of baby girls thought I was “pleasant,” that would be very alarming indeed.
I never claimed they were before 1908 (although Casement himself notes the great improvement caused by eradicating slave trading), just that the atrocities were not even close to the scale alleged and mostly carried out by Africans . In any case, they certainly were after 1908, and improved the standard of living of the Congolese to a level that they would never have been able to achieve by themselves and couldn’t even maintain after the Belgians left.
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I should add that Yugoslavia shot an F-117A down, albeit with the pilot surviving. Russia was then able to analyze the wreckage. The B-52 might actually have a better sortie record, with greater chance of return for damaged craft, as well.
TBH, I think stealth is tactically obsolete, except for subs. Probably not worth the trade offs for surface ships or planes. Arguably a number of things fill its political niche of pilot survivability (as you astutely mentioned) with a better cost effectiveness. Drones, cruise-missiles, combined with surveillance from space.
IMO, the best strategy going forward is cost effectiveness and bulk. Swarms of cheap drones are probably a better option than stealth.
Stealth’s also lost something of its prestige, and thus propaganda value.
But who would they parasite off?
I am glad you think that your opinion matters.
Definitely talk to that real estate agent…
Peace.
Obviously stupid, intelligent women are much more stylish than unintelligent prole women.
One possible risk to drone reliance is that it will be highly vulnerable to electronic warfare measures. Still, that isn’t a third world capability.
Good points…Black Pigeon had a relevant recent video on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrVyXdwft8E
Peace.
Talha, applying real estate principles to the Middle East is not your interest.
Hitler said that an intelligent man should seek out a primitive and stupid woman.
As a general rule of thumb, I would not endorse taking romantic advice from Hitler but I think that he got that one right.
I could never be with a woman smarter than I am, or even about as intelligent. Primitive and stupid all the way for me.
You must have had a really bitter history with women.
There is extreme hatred in America, hatred that you guys in Europe and Russia couldn’t even begin to imagine, but it is based on politics, not on race.
Yes, I hate Latinos. But practically no other Americans do. The only race/ethnicity/outgroup that is hated by any significant number of Americans is Muslims, and even that probably is less than there is in Europe or even Russia.
You’re thinking of the silver-souled midwits who think of little else than what others think of them. The most intelligent women put as little effort as possible into planning their outfits and rarely, if ever, wear makeup.
Blacks and Jews genuinely do hate white people.
But if we’re just talking about Americans and not parasites infecting our country, I agree with you.
I genuinely hate liberals and want every last one of them tortured to death.
But other races? That’s as silly as hating wolves for preying on livestock. Some of the foreign commenters appear to misunderstand my comments about lawless Africans.
They should imagine that I am discussing a matter like pollution instead. If an oil tanker crashes and spills oil onto your beach, obviously the priority is to cleanup and remove the oil. You don’t hate the oil, you simply get rid of it.
Africans are simply human pollution.
That’s interesting: I see a few Brazilian flags hung in these parts, but have never actually made out the words, as I am generally driving.
BTW, American record on genocide of Indians is at least neutral. The US stopped the genocide of the Hopi by the Navajo, and probably of a few other less disparate tribes. The Western tribes pretty much all have fantastically greater numbers than they likely did before the arrival of Europeans. Other groups were integrated, and the copies of their genes are much greater, excepting for immuno-dead ends, which would have been pared anyway. Besides which, most Indians had a very low level culture, which was quite savage in its nature.
You don’t hear a lot of people knocking the Chinese for taking Taiwan or the Japanese for breaking the Ainu. Or perhaps the best example of all, the Bantu pushing the Bushmen into the Kalahari Desert, but the Bantu never had much going for them, even though Bushmen were perhaps the most interesting people on earth due to their long (250,000+ years) separation.
I see the White Race is well on its way to achieving unity and a high culture which will enable it to mount a successful challenge to Jews and Asians.
Yes, the regeneration has begun.
This blog has finally achieved its true level. Very entertaining.
Continue, please.
The best revenge would be to put them in their own country, and let them try to create their utopia, while not allowing them to emigrate.
Stylishness requires intelligence.
Ah, but isn’t bitter the most memorable?
Anyway, no. But it’s meet and right to treat fools as fools; you note that I don’t treat Toronto Russian or other women this way.
https://twitter.com/untaleb/status/898207489585315840
More offerings still needed.
This is kind of irrelevant… But does anyone know what word Chinese Orthodox use to refer to God?
She’s not that bad. She’s just unhappy – I don’t see why she can’t be firmly rebuked while retaining some sympathy for someone who is supposedly an in-group member (white unity and all that). Things don’t have to be a rigid binary. An errant Jew is not treated so harshly.
The problem is that too many men are also unhappy and bitter about women – but someone has to have the larger more mature vision.
According to you guys, shouldn’t that be men?
Take her firmly in hand, be paternalistic but also sympathetic – is patriarchy just about harshly repressing women or about sympathetically guiding them?
What happened to the notion of guiding lost sheep?
In-group member you say?
http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/wp-content/uploads/no_girls_arrgh.jpg
Giant cockroaches usually running on pavements there. But when temperatures are around 35-40 °c in Israel, often large squadrons enjoy flying in the air, and if you leave your window open, suddenly a group of them flying around your bedroom.
Supposedly they are lazy flying though and not too high, and so people on high up apartments still open their windows.
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Other kind of flying objects also could impact prices when you want to sell your apartment.
https://youtu.be/yJZfAXIEHt8?t=54s
Pretty sure its just 神. Its somewhat generic, but it also makes it universal.
Thanks. Do Roman Catholics and Protestants use 神 or 天主/上帝 more?
Why?
Peace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBccr-aLu4I
Actually, in-group members are most harshly treated in some ways; why do you think that fraternities haze? Do Duke and I always agree? Am I nice to the maozuo, or Taiwanese or do we go on for a long time wishing each other terrible deaths? Are the Russians here, generally all more nationalistic as a whole, do they all agree?
For the Jews, the Maccabean Revolt was definitely not all harmony between Jews.
Anyway, Thorfinnsson has plenty of sympathy for her. He is even helping her find better employment of her time rather than posting on a message board.
Proles and peasants do usually not come heads up in things involving large amounts of money.
(I do have a few real estate anecdotes that may be interesting, but they are not really applicable here).
Protestants use 神; Catholics seem to use 天主 more, since they need to account for spirits like angels as well so hierarchy matters.
Oh yeah – I remember those big cockroaches from my time in Pakistan – crazy stuff. I do remember they could get quite big even in So Cal; I remember this huge one in a mosque that made a bee line for a hole in the wall in absolutely did not care – brothers were moving out of its way when they realized it wasn’t messing around.
But yeah, they really should have settled for some place in South America or something – would have been much nicer. There would have been a nice Jewish homeland near a lush jungle and very fertile land, the old Jewish communities of the ME wouldn’t have been disturbed or had to pick sides, no grad rockets, etc. You guys got a bum deal, bro.
Peace.
We just count on staying power and time – it’s worked with us before – time and time again – so I see no reason to switch strategies.
Peace.
If you watch Spiderman Homecoming? (I did couple of weeks ago – it’s not bad for a Spiderman film), really this multiracial utopia highschool is just like my experience of international courses (with people from separate countries).
International school (and university) atmosphere is something objectively cool and one of the best experiences people can have, where everyone falls in love with all the different nationalities.
But it was in summer schools, where everyone comes from different countries, and are not usually living mixed together all their lives, and they go back to their separate countries after course ends.
I have no deep experience in America beyond tourism, but I very strongly doubt highschools in America actually have any of this harmonious multinational atmosphere (that exists in real international courses). Basically the opposite of how Americans speak about their own dystopian experiences of being flooded with immigration and too many different races living together.
It feels more like director of Spiderman Homecoming has been in a real international school when he was a teenager, and then projected it on the American highschool – the latter actually more like a dystopia, than the utopia in international schools.
Also non-credentialed jobs will destroy your health. Standing shifts at a factory or store at least give you varicose veins. Cleaning ladies stoop (back pain) and contact filth and chemicals. Cooks work standing, in hot environment under stress, and you even need credentials – a technical school – to be a cook. A woman who has to do it because she’s widowed or has a sick husband (to say nothing about a husband who left her – certain conservative men don’t believe it really happens, but it does), is usually not young and doesn’t recover from the damage and fatigue so well. I often see older ladies at cash registers, it’s a very sad sight.
On the contrary, my mother had to support my disabled father since her mid-40s (he partly recovered and returned to lighter work, but that didn’t pay much), and being an experienced accountant survived it rather comfortably.
The story of his romantic behaviour when he was a NEET is hilarious and quite endearing tbh
I went to school with girls who were almost all at least in the top 5% of female intelligence. They were mostly very stylish, although not overly made up.
Patagonia is well known for its dense forests and damp tropical climate
Well, you know the most important priority is to attack and threaten White women. That’s the first order of business.
Isn’t that some kind of politically correct gaming forum (which seems to be surprisingly common btw, many gamers are SJWs)? I suppose liberal gamers are even dumber than non-gamer liberals.
Midwit-level intelligence.
True, but in hazing there is always the subtext that you become accepted if you conform to group values – its carrot and stick. Enforcing group values is a combination of harshness and gentleness.
Civil wars are a different thing.
But fine, fine, carry on your hazing of Rosie.
Lol my achin’sides!
The onlthing I’m unhappy about is the looming extinction of my race and the profound stupidity of declaring war on your own women while the whole world is united in pursuing your destruction.
Sadly, that seems to be the case all too often.
Certainly agree with that.
What do you think your mother would have had to do to support your disabled father if she couldn’t work a regular job?
Given that she did have a job, do you think that her boss should have been allowed to extract sexual favors from her as a condition of employment?
I don’t think you understand just how retrograde and brutal a life women would face if these commenters got their way.
I’m skeptical. Sorry. Highly intelligent women have more interesting things to think about than tomorrow’s outfit, and we don’t read Vogue magazine.
It’s surprising Hitler did not become a woman’s man, considering psychopathic personality traits (limitless self-belief, interest in manipulation of emotions of crowds, charisma, charm, and how easily he created cult following even before he became powerful), and even fact he was a failed artist and idealist romantic (“puer aeternus” in Jungian psychology).
I’ve read he was extremely charming in one-to-one, and his former friends say he had hypnotic eyes, and after talking with him in his intense way, it was impossible not to agree with him, and want to follow him.
At the same time, he was ugly (or at least average/not good looking), and in German cultural background which might direct such personalities into atypical ways.
With Latin American culture and being born better looking – such cultic personalities become Fidel Castro and Che Guevara.
A complex topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_names_for_the_God_of_Abrahamic_religions
Eh, no. ‘神’ is closer in meaning ‘spirit’, not ‘God’. A very heretical and pantheistic name for God, I’d be surprised if anybody except Protestants uses it.
This catechism http://www.orthodox.cn/catechesis/amileant/catechism_hans.htm uses ‘上帝’.
I admit that I’m not familiar with Orthodoxy.
I know of 神 myself, and it is general, but in a way, it intrinsically rejects the idea of any other spirit being real; that’s why 神学 is “study of God” or “Theology” rather than a more generalized “study of spirits.”
上帝 sounds much more impressive.
Thing is, Aaron, I couldn’t care less about being “accepted.” This isn’t a social call. I have children whose wellbeing depends on this movement making progress, which it will never do by alienating the very White women who put Trump in the White House.
Just think, WW2 could likely have entirely been avoided had Stefanie given the H-man a handie.
Blue balls destroy civilization.
Prole white women favoured Trump by a significant margin compared to educated, feminist white women.
Aren’t you kind of helping to prove the other commenters’ points about feminism?
Sold!
Peace.
Did people think this before the war? From what I recall, he always sounded very unsuccesful socially.
I didn’t want to wade into this conversation and dog pile on you, but I have to say it, Women simply have no have place in politics. The world of antiquity had separate social spheres for all manners of groups. Men did their thing, women did their thing, jews did their thing, everyone else did theirs. These clear social boundaries prevented not only conflict but set clear established norms of behavior that people were expected to adhere to. Women entering into the political realm of men is simply an abomination because women are less rational than men and more particularist. They only care about the reproductive viability of their own children, the nature of their fathers being somewhat irrelevant. There are exceptions to the rule, but breaking these rules for the rare exceptions is a stupid idea. Women serve as the proverbial camel’s nose in the tent for entryist cadres to start mucking around. Hearth and home are the woman’s realm, leave affairs of state to men.
Which war? Before WW1, he was a total loser, homeless at times.
But once his political career had started, he obviously exuded strong charisma and many women admired him.
Well, I happen to agree that if this movement does not offer some kind of inspiring vision for women, like traditional societies do, then its dead in the water.
Islam is supposed to be harshly repressive of women but it actually offers them a very dignified position. So does Judaism and every other traditional culture. They offer limitations and restriction on women but in exchange for other kinds of dignity and status. And the deal is the same for men – duties and limits in exchange for status and power.
I was about to say the people here are on Conan The Barbarian level of civilization, but barbarian tribes are noted for giving women status and freedom, as the Germanic tribes did, and often as seers.
So what we are seeing here has no analogue in earlier societies – it is just an anti-society, a complete collapse of social glue, below the level of the most primitive society known to us. It is literally pre-social – a mindset that is pre-social. It does not rise to the level of what’s needed for a human group to form a society.
Maybe the collapse of Western civ is do complete that we have regressed to a pre-social level and must relearn everything – some of us at least.
I have not seen it, but can easily imagine it.
Superheroes are a good microcosm of recent American history. Many were created in the 1940s, and put in a standard setting of a generic major urban center – Gotham City, Metropolis, etc. Places that were modeled on real cities that were at the time >95% white. Even Spiderman, created in 1962, when NYC had already started to experience a major demographic shift, with its black population doubling, since WW2, could quite plausibly have Peter Parker live in a white neighborhood in NYC.
Now the gritty reality of cities is starting to catch up to the mythology of comics, which has resulted in a rabid diversity-mania. There are passionate calls to make the film Spiderman a black-Hispanic. And it really reveals how diversity is a turf-war. It is funny to see all the changes, they’ve made already to more minor characters in the medium of film and TV. I understand the recent Lego Batman movie turned Batgirl into a red-haired Hispanic (not too common.)
Idealizing diversity is partly ideology, but also partly corporate culture. I understand they do the same thing in South Africa, where you have all these improbable friendships in TV commercials. Frankly, it makes me more drawn to non-American sources of entertainment. I think there is a fairly big market for non-diversity, which has not really been tapped in as ambitious a way as possible.
Being stylish is socially important for women, and highly intelligent women also care about how they’re viewed by others. Highly intelligent men also have lots of more interesting things to think about than women, but it doesn’t stop them from thinking about it.
My girlfriend at the time was a highly intelligent woman, and I distinctly remember her reading Vogue (or more accurately, looking at the pictures).
The first one
No, quite the opposite. Almost half of college-educated White women voted for Trump despite four straight years of antinationist White Gulit propaganda courtesy of our “fellow White people.” What more is there to say?
True, but women were always able to negotiate status and power for themselves in an informal way and were in fact accorded it by men. When this pact breaks down, problems ensue, as happened in ancient Rome.
And by influencing society, fashion, matchmaking, and men in general – women did participate in the social arbitration of power.
For women not to participate in formal political decision making – which is reasonable – they must be granted status and power in informal ways, and a generally dignified position.
Which I think is kind of what you are getting at anyways….
Fine. I acknowledge the possibility that there are some highly intelligent women who read Vogue magazine. Most of us don’t. If you only notice women who keep up with fashion trends, you are going to limit yourself. Agreed?
If I had been an early Zionist, I think Madagascar or Tasmania or perhaps Hispaniola (before the slaves were settled there) would have had the most appeal. There’s something about a large island that bespeaks security.
I really don’t think the Middle East is worth the trouble, and I am sure the Arabs (or Meds to use Taleb’s phrase) would have been broadminded enough to accept the money of Jewish tourists, if any had wanted to visit Jerusalem.
And rampant buggery of barely-pubescent boys, because men were so alienated from women they thought they were subhuman, unfit companions, like certain other people.
“Women for babies, boys for pleasure.”
https://www.timesnownews.com/international/article/afghan-subculture-of-child-sex-slavery-human-rights-violations-bacha-bazi/64251
Never hesitate to “pile on.” I assure you I can hold my own.
The problem is that the modern nation state has broken this all down.
Why is this not important?* For instance if you are going to have massive-scale wars where it is literally population against population and you are going to conscript every able-bodied man and force him to march into possible death, you better believe women are going to want a say in that decision before they let some idiot bureaucrat send the child that they bore in their wombs, breastfeed, raised as the apple of their eyes off to some land that they’ve never heard of before to be returned in a body bag or as a partial (physical or mental) human being.
During the Rashidun Caliphate – at the height of its expanding wars against Byzantium and Persia – the Caliph Umar (ra) used to patrol the city nightly to overhear the concerns of people. He came across a woman singing couplets of how lonely she was without her husband who was on jihad. He was astonished and considered that he had done a great injustice to the women of Arabia so he went to his daughter – his daughter – Hafsa (ra) to ask her advice on how long a woman could be without her husband. She replied with four months, with which he changed his policy the next morning; that no mujahid should be absent from his home for longer than that at a time. This is a well known report that even Imam Bayhaqi (ra) reported.
Peace.
*As a general question, and this would be interesting – which one of your parents are you men closer to; your father or mother?
For me, it’s my mother. I can’t even imagine what I would be without her prayers, guidance and all else she invested in me.
The problem is that if you are going to disenfranchise women, you need to have a reason for it. Otherwise, it appears capricious and vindictive. That’s not what we need right now.
BTW, if women’s interests are “too particular,” does anyone have a theory as to why women voted for Brexit at a higher rate than men in the oldest age bracket? I suspect the answer is that it is actually men who were focused on their own narrow interests: their bottom line. They were worried about their stock portfolios.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/567922/distribution-of-eu-referendum-votes-by-age-and-gender-uk/
Women will always have status so as long as men are making the decisions; there is actually a specific brain pathway I recall that causes men to be less violent toward women as opposed to other men. And as primary caregivers to children, they have enormous influence on children. Even in extremely patriarchial setups, it was typical that mothers would influence their sons to get what they wanted. As Rousseau said, women have enormous biological advantages already.
All that of is pretty inevitable, at least until we have computers making decisions for us.
They would have accepted plenty of Jews as well (it’s not like that’s the first time the ME saw and influx of Jews from Europe) – Jews are quite native to the Middle East. Zionism isn’t.
I was speaking to my Egyptian brother-in-law recently about this; Egyptian Jews were huge movie stars (Layla Mourad, for instance) and had a big influence in early Egyptian cinema which was well-known throughout the ME.
But if you are going to come in as invaders, then Muslims will fight back. Sure, it’ll take us a while to get our act in gear, but that’s nothing new.
Peace.
This also needs to be said, long term assortative mating is bad, very very bad for civilization. You know what happens when assortative mating gets taken too far? A caste system. Basically creating multiculturalism and even multiracialism. Do as your ancestors have done and marry the pretty but not so bright girl and sire children with her. This spreads the smart genes around and ensures sufficient churn in the elites that stasis never sets in. Otherwise your civilization turns into India. India is a shithole, partly because the average Indian isn’t very bright, but mostly because their maladaptive caste system wrecked their society some 2000 years ago. The problem of the caste system is that it sets permanent status at birth, reproductive access without work, and lowers the general competitiveness of a society all around. Indian society has basically zero permanent social mobility because of endogamous mating and this means that not only are smart bright people not able to climb their way up in society, but stupidity by the elites is never punished as harshly as warranted. Merit is unrecognized, failure is tolerated and ignored, all to maintain group endogamy and caste advantage.
With all of the terrible consequences of such a system, you have to wonder why it has persisted so long. The simple answer is that it does have single, but huge, advantage compared to more exogamous and equitable societies, civilizational metastability. Assortative mating results in fixed elites and the shattering of the masses into even more distinct subgroups. This makes it impossible for lower status groups to organize and gang up on those on the top because intergroup trust and ability to cooperate is non existent. The elites rests securely on top with minimal effort. You know what is almost non-existent in India history? Peasant rebellions. Oh castes were perfectly willing to fight each other over petty spoils and marginal differences in status, but they could never take collective action to challenge the elites. They simply couldn’t because there was no “smarter than the average bear” Jean-baptiste, or Johann, or Jin Yang willing to say I’m just as smart as the local lord/king/emperor so fuck him, get your pitchforks boys. In caste societies, the elites enjoy being elites for a long time, if not forever, and the society itself has achieved a metastable position at extreme cost of overall competitiveness.
To use a more contemporary metaphor, think of pubstars pwning noobs all day in pub games for shits and giggles. Because the level of play and competition is so low, they never learn to lose bad habits accrued over time nor up their level of skill to the next level because there is no need to. Then when they play true pros, that skirmish against each other regularly and where the minimal standard of play is so high that stupid mistakes and harshly and ruthlessly punished, they get pwned themselves like the newbs they are.
Yeah, so assortative mating when carried out too far is bad. Do marry your cute secretary. Do it not only for yourself, but for your very civilization!
Given that men have been known to butcher each other in their tens of millions, that’s not saying much.
At the very least, it doesn’t justify the conclusion that women don’t need any legislative protections.
And have dumb sons.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/children-intelligence-iq-mother-inherit-inheritance-genetics-genes-a7345596.html
Duh, dumb sons are the entire point. Prevent the formation of a self perpetuating endagmous group but rather spread it around to maintain a sufficient level of intragroup competition to select for increased fitness. Did everything I wrote just fly right over your head woman?
Well, a person can only handle so many things at once – if women are participating heavily in politics, they won’t be able to focus on educating the next generation – a much more crucial task. And also providing a positive moral and psychological atmosphere at home – also crucial.
I don’t think politics are the most important thing – a necessary evil. If men must devote themselves to this evil, to balance this out women should be providing a morally and psychologically uplifting atmosphere at home. And to be honest – it’s the better role, and the more crucial one.
Feminism tried to sell women on the glories of power – but its really just messy, dirty, petty, and inglorious. Now both genders constantly suffer from bad moods and gloom – and there is no escape from petty strife and care for anyone.
Beyond this, I think the franchise should be reduced in general, and a more aristocratic form of government created – so in this context, and with a total view of society, I think a benevolent and reasonable case can be made for at least discouraging women participating in power politics.
I don’t think we need laws – a healthy society can use informal pressure, but women certainly need to feel they are accorded a measure of real social power and dignity in this new dispensation if they are to access to some limits on their overt political role.
The thing is, modernity already offers an “inspiring vision”: maximal autonomy. This is also, ultimately, maximal atomization. This is very appealing, as it combines a maximal sense of safety as well as freedom from any consequences of individual action. Society was traditionally limited by material or informational limits; all of these have been basically removed, so you’re seeing the result of the wreck.
General human reason, as it is, is tainted by our primarily medium-term planning abilities and autonomy maximization, evolved in a society and world that no longer exists. Any solution will have to work with that.
No, I understood perfectly. You want to breed a society of mediocrities without a smart fraction capable of driving innovation, all to make yourself feel better about your own shallow priorities.
Right, women have always had informal political and psychological power – and should continue to.
However, in traditional societies the formal role accorded to women was to deny them overt political power but give them formal recognition and respect as mothers, educators, symbols of grace and gentleness and the higher virtues, etc.
In other words you can’t just deny women political power and speak of them in harsh terms as useless except for breeding etc – they must be given formal social recognition and respect which translates to a measure of real power to shape society.
Its s quid pro quo sort of – you take some things away and give other things.
And men gave the same deal.
Probably the best way to do that would be to avoid threatening our vital interests.
Neither. It’s a ploy used by women to ensure that every woman is sexually satisfied. As we all know, women are only sexually aroused by ‘alpha’ males. Thus, in a society of monogamous families, the only way to keep every woman sexually fulfilled is to force her husband to act ‘alpha’, even against his will.
Exactly, modern society – Leftism – does offer an inspiring vision, which is why its winning so decisively.
We can only win if we challenge it with a more inspiring vision.
Maximum autonomy can be redefined as maximum care, anxiety, and involvement in petty strife – and we can contrast that with a role for women as dignified and respected purveyors of morality and a psychological healthy environment that mitigates the stress of necessary competition, etc, etc, and emphasize that this translates into genuine social power which means political power – but power must be shared to some degree with women, in some way.
It needs to be worked out – but simple harshness can’t work.
Fair enough. I’d agree.
But we’d have to define vital interests for anyone – not just women.
There is some fair degree of truth in what you say here, Aaron, but there is one problem. Not all women were treated with respect, sometimes through no fault of their own.
Consider the question I put to Toronto Russian. Suppose a married woman has to enter the workforce because her husband is disabled, or on drugs, or whatever. Should she be allowed to do so? If not, what are her alternatives? If so, should her boss have the right to demand sexual favors as a condition of employment?
If the answer to the former question is no, you are going to force women into prostitution. If the answer to the latter is yes, you are going to force women into prostitution. Should win have a right to earn an honest living should they need to do so?
If her boss should not have the right to extract sexual favors, then she is going to need some kind of legal recourse.
This is the problem with feminism right here. “Our vital interests”. Women shouldn’t think of themselves as a separate interest group at all, rather they should represent the interests of their sons and husbands.
You’re seeing an effort to defend any male spaces at all; the “harshness” is purely defensive. Its impossible to negotiate until there is an ability to push back at all. Any solution will need to rig around status and so on, its of limited utility to use force(whether societal or physical).
This post was solid – end to end!
Peace.
You actually make a good point – George Gissing, a Victorian Novelist, wrote a novel called The Odd Women about the plight of unmarried women without access to the resources and protection of a man in a patriarchal society. One woman turns to prostitution, iirc.
Provision should certainly be made for women like you describe – probably a combination of legal and social provision, and I can see no reason why some women shouldn’t be allowed in the workforce, and certainly there should be legal protections – as well as social sanctions – I.e if word gets out, the mans reputation is destroyed etc.
But you need a strong society for this – and part of crafting a strong social fabric is according women a properly dignified.
Details need to be worked out – but we have to get the larger vision clear first.
There is a show the wife and I watch called Ertugrul – made from Turkey – it is about the father of the founder of the Ottoman Empire. My favorite character is Mother Hayme (Ertugrul’s mother) – the matriarch of the Kayi tribe that keeps them together and going through various trials and difficulties after her husband, Suleyman Shah – the head of the tribe, dies. I have never seen a better depiction of the power and strength of woman that is done without some resort to feminist LARPing. She doesn’t become some tribal warrior queen, rather she gently (and at times sternly) guides her sons and gives solid advice at the tribal councils.
This is a scene where Ertugrul comes to his mother seeking her blessings for the birth of his son Osman (yup, the Ottoman founder):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKcBH9nzO10
You can take this to the grave; a society that has forgotten to humble itself and ask its mothers for their prayers and benedictions will perish – it is only a matter of time.
Peace.
They can be protected by their families. At the end of the day, no one in this world “deserves” to be immune from misfortune and misery.
Not men, and not women.
And indeed, for there to be any real greatness, much needs to be able to be gained, risked, and lost. This grey world where all are allowed their their minimalistic inoffensive existence, without either catastrophe or triumph, is the ultimate hollowing: life devoid of vitality, death without dying.
Right, the general breakdown and the rise of feminism has made men feel besieged and embattled – and I definitely get the.impulse to protect space and lash out.
But at some point someone has to break the logjam – and I firmly believe male spaces can be protected without alienating women with undue harshness, if people keep their eye on the larger vision of crafting a new society.
That’s the trick – we have to always zoom out from whatever immediate concern seems so urgent, and keep our eye on the larger picture. Not give in to emotion.
Nuts on Yahoo!
Usually, harshness is unneeded. But then there are always some particular troublemakers. Ideally, you limit it to them and make a clean example. 杀鸡吓猴.
Sounds great – this conception of women was once widespread in the West, and needs to be recovered if any new social fabric will be created out of the ruins.
Women have their own power, comoetence, and wisdom, and a crucial role to play – and we need to respect that.
Lol, maybe contrast a “traditional” feminism with modern feminism? Feminism vs feminism, not feminism vs harsh repression – why play into the Lefts roles? They’ve rigged the game! And we are falling for it!
I think in every level we have to offer a BETTRR version of what the Left is offering – not fit into the pre-crafted Leftist narrative where they define the roles.
Maybe that’s the way to go – offer modern women a sense of worth, respect, and a form of social power that challenges modern feminism.
Sorry, I don’t think 杀鸡吓猴 is the proper model for male female relations 🙂
I am sure you will build a strong white culture on these nihilistic principles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_scold
I don’t think I’ve ever written something that would indicate I want to oppress or subjugate Africans. I just don’t want millions of them coming to Europe.
Your persistent attempts at painting me as some latter-day colonialist/Nazi are missing the point and show that you’re unwilling or unable to discuss the issue in good faith.
Enough of this nonsense. You’re acting like women need to be persuaded or negotiated with. The only thing that needs to be done is to make them submit, which I assure you is quite easily done.
That said in keeping with my Straussian strategy, until such time as we can do away with democracy it could be beneficial to offer some things to female voters. In the United States, an obvious example is Family Leave.
And while I agree that women are irrational, this merely applies to how they reason. Women are in fact quite pragmatic, often much more so than men because they don’t have grand principles. Thus pocketbook issues which directly impact women also resonate with female voters. Wages, benefits, cost of housing, cost of food, etc.
Ever meet a female libertarian? No, because women are too practical to go in for such rubbish. Libertarianism to women sounds like Mad Max without the sex appeal of a young Mel Gibson.
All people respond more strongly to visual persuasion than written, but this is especially true of women. The Enemy knows this and acts accordingly. Remember that Turkish loser kid who washed up dead on a beach?
We should do the same. More propaganda like Kate Steinle.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.J0RzWvxdc8mRepOHj_cb8QHaD-&pid=Api
I’ll bet this pic tucks on Rosie’s heart strings.
But what if this one had been used instead?
https://i0.wp.com/www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/kate-steinle-killed-by-illegal-alien.jpg?resize=400%2C493
Well now…good thing that home-wrecking bimbo isn’t around to steal Rosie’s husband? Maybe these illegal aliens aren’t so bad. Her husband sure isn’t gonna leave her for some Squatemalan, and now Rosie can afford to get her nails done twice a week.
They did it to piss off the Israelis.
More seriously, though, a number of Iranian scientists have told me that in Iran, it’s mostly women who can afford to do science, since men have to get real jobs to provide for the family. So in a paradoxical way, women are highly represented in Iranian science (relative to more developed countries) because Iranian society is still somewhat traditional and under-developed. What they need to do is put a lot more money into science and technology so that men can afford to out-compete the women.
We have to bring that back!
http://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1466985345928.gif
It amuses me that the Kebab scum think that is what their ancestors looked like during the 13th century.
In contrast to period artistic depictions of Turks in the area.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Sultan_Muhammad_ibn_Malik-Shah.jpg
Those steppe bastards really did a number on the Greek and Armenian populations they conquered.
Lol, I suppose this will have to do for the time being.
Ina May Gaskin, hippie midwife extraordinaire, said
You’re either too insensitive or too stupid to bother listening to.
This is not your space. Go back to the manosphere.
They know that’s not how the old-school Turks looked due to both the depictions you cite and how they are described by historians. But it’s cinema, so if we can have some English guy doing black-face to represent some Sudanese leader…well, that’s about all that needs to be said really:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZL_TOV9-m0
Eventually, yeah. There are historical reports of Armenians joining Seljuk Turks on raids into Byzantine territory – so early on, it wasn’t as bad. The Ottoman Empire collapsed in an extremely violent fashion – possibly more so than most due to the relative progress in weaponry at the time.
Peace.
Details need to be worked out – but we have to get the larger vision clear first.
I don’t know about that Aaron. I think you need to have some details pretty well ironed out before you can reasonably expect women not to react furiously against against all this talk of disenfranchising them.
In any event, I certainly appreciate your sensitivity to our particular interests and vulnerabilities as women.
And… the pig shows his snout! From now on, I’ll call you Pigfinnsson.
Dates? A timeline?
Lol that too. It’s almost unreal how for a people so proud of their history to actually not have any of it. Indian historiography pretty much begins with a Hellenistic introductory blurb, Muslim central Asians jotting some things down, and then the British piecing together the fragments in the 19th century. My pet theory is that the paucity of written records of any kind is because of literacy limited to a very few particular elite caste groups that didn’t want others rubbing in on their turf. The Vijayanagara empire that ruled much of Southern India was contemporaneous with the Ming dynasty. No one can quite agree on who exactly founded that empire and biographic information of their kings are so incomplete that you would be hard pressed to fill a three page introductory essay for high school while for the Ming emperors there is so much data that you can find out what they had for breakfast on some particular auspicious day if you look hard enough through the records.
I remember reading an athology of historical travel writing and while the other sections were filled with particular places, names, dates, and themes, the section on India was generic beyond belief and really didn’t have any particular details of anything until writers of the 19th century. Honestly that section read like a book review written by a student who never bothered to read the book in question and just bs’ed their way through it it was so lacking in specifics.
Better the old treatment than the new: Arabs = black Africans.
English are getting pretty short shrift in their own movies now.
WN according to Pigfinnson: We must secure the existence of our people and a future of squalor and forced prostitution for White children.
The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon
https://attackingthedevil.co.uk/pmg/tribute/mt1.php
Spider-man Homecoming was quite good – better than shit Amazing Spider-Man series.
Depending on your location, one of mirrors will work:
https://www4.putlockertv.to/watch/spider-man-homecoming.520k0/26p284
Multiracial utopia America is good for Marvel films though – it creates for me correct emotion of unreality and parallel universe in which superheroes can exist.
You sure do talk an awful lot about prostitution, Rosie.
You a retired working girl?
No wonder you have a heart of gold.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooker_with_a_heart_of_gold
Are you an authorized user of debunking oil?
I certainly do, and that’s precisely why I can’t see this idea of getting women out of politics working out too well. Just listen to your buddy Chieh:
Lol at this fool. America was founded by Enlightenment liberals, you ignoramus.
If you hate liberalism you will need to recreate the pre-Enlightenment era of Monarchy, Theocracy, hereditary aristocracy, serfdom, superstition, public tortures and executions etc etc
Or you could just join ISIS….
so safe that teenage girls stand by the roadside alone selling ice cream.
Just not near the American military bases.
Talha reason we (those of us who like Israel) like Israel, is because parts of it feel like European (like mix of Middle East and Europe).
Despite religious superstitions, Muslim world itself going to become like this too. How do you think Egypt or Jordan (or even Gaza and Jenin) will be like in 22nd century – with the technology, economy and human engineering we will have then?
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Women can walk in streets and not be bespoken (unlike Arab areas, like East Jerusalem, or Haredi areas, where they want modestry). People walking around relaxed, and for tourist, not a feeling like you are a foreigner that natives see like in a goldfish bowl. People wearing European clothing, men and women going to normal jobs in the morning. All attention to theatres, classical concert halls (I know the latter is also popular in Oman already), and every kind of life style individual wants to have.
Also safety, low crime, capitalist economy, and international atmosphere. These are objectively enjoyed things and even you (as person with internal Islamist beliefs) obviously like this, from fact you live in developed West, and not in Raqqa.
Bourgeois people in Pakistan are going turn all Karachi like this in our lifetime (assuming Pakistan economy develops). Have you talked to rich young people of Pakistan yet?
True that she called you Thugfinnsson, but is this really necessary?
Danny Chieh’s a good man.
This is pretty much exactly why women need to be run out of politics on a rail.
Female voters always try to limit risk.
You yourself said we “need” safety nets.
I like the name Thugfinnsson. I’m Pigfinnsson too now.
Necessary?
Are you new to the internet or something? Do you downvote mean posts on Reddit?
Bliss is literally a we wuz kangz retard who thinks Ancient Egyptians were black (instead of Russian, as we now know to be the truth) and invested Western civilization. This shine has also claimed that the Rurikid dynasty was black and that the Olmecs were either black or got their advanced pyramid-building technology from the black ancient Egyptians.
Response to Belgian shoah debunking is…doubling down.
The glove fits so I will not acquit.
For somebody worried about feeding starving Africans because that only produces more starving Africans, you don’t seem to know much about heredity.
The fact that it starts with an untranslated quotation from Ovid made me laugh out loud
This comment just demonstrates why ‘liberal’ and all variants thereof, in any context, should be banned for the sake of clear thought
As does your pompous vanity and boastfulness.
Vanity and boastfulness are psychopathic? Got any footnotes or references for this?
Iffen has kind of a point though imo; both Bliss and Rosie are annoying, but I doubt it does much good for the general atmosphere of the commenting section if you insult them with racial slurs or insinuations about prostitution.
And while it probably doesn’t matter much if the comments of a marginal blog like AK’s turn totally shit, on a more general level things like this will severely limit the prospects for success of any alt-rightish political initiatives.
So did the desert arabs from the south. It’s a double whammy.
And before the arabs and turks Byzantium was in partial thrall to some other folks from the South as well. Some Byzantine Emperors:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Meister_der_Predigtsammlung_des_Heiligen_Johannes_Chrysostomus_001.jpg/919px-Meister_der_Predigtsammlung_des_Heiligen_Johannes_Chrysostomus_001.jpg
http://solarey.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Manuel-I-Komnenos-and-his-second-wife-Maria-of-Antioch.jpg
because they consider men unreliable as providers, and not without very good reason.
But equality in the workplace worked to make some men unreliable providers.
Who says we are going to adopt everything the West has? We haven’t yet despite the West calling us all sorts of pejoratives and putting pressure on us.
Agreed – hyper-individualism.
Sure and there are places in the Muslim world that have “safety, low crime, capitalist economy, and international atmosphere” or are you one of the people who buy the Muslim-world-is-an-out-house meme? Jewish co-workers of mine make vacation plans and travel in parts of the Muslim world (it’s not a problem since they use US passports).
Possibly – not sure. One thing I have noticed with the sooper-dooper Westernized elites in Muslim countries (I was just comparing notes with my Egyptian brother-in-law who mentioned that these people in Egypt shack up and fornicate as much as Westerners) – it seems they also don’t want to propagate their genes; sucks for them.
Maybe when they grow old and realize they have no kids to look after them, they can commit petty crimes to live out their golden years playing ping-pong in prison:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-03-16/japan-s-prisons-are-a-haven-for-elderly-women
Peace.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q-7ON98wfqg/hqdefault.jpg
In fairness to Rosie it’s not like the problem is new.
In Victorian times a stunning number of working-class men were out of control alcoholics.
Divorce was generally illegal in early America, but men simply abandoning their families and moving to the Frontier was routine.
The natural economic condition of females is extreme insecurity. They’re completely dependent on men for their sustenance, and she’s not wrong that prostitution is in fact a very likely resort. Their political instincts are thus to maximize economic security.
D, we just need to find the right tranquilizer prescription for you and you are going to be okay.
Groundbreaking debate last week with AaronB about this topic, discovered that Achilles and Odysseus – also with Russian origins.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
Although they have clearly with Nigerians were also involved.
https://www.mythologger.com/images/achilles.jpg
That’s a false alternative imo, justified rejection of traitorcucks like Jeb Bush (or their equivalents in Europe) shouldn’t mean one has to go full Stormfront.
And no offense, I get you enjoy trolling people with deliberately offensive statements, but such meme-like verbal extremism won’t be politically effective.
Indeed, in a highly individualistic, sink-or-swim culture,
Yes, but the sinkers and swimmers keep fornicating enough to achieve some sort of equilibrium.
Left vs Right belongs in the trash can of history. It should be totally replaced by the self-explanatory:
Progressive vs Conservative
Yogi Berra: It’s deja vu all over again.
It is probably the greatest demonstrable truth of American politics that people don’t like sending their children to diverse schools. Brown v. Board of Education destroyed cities. People voted with their feet. White liberals who were childless or who had sent their kids to private schools and had called others racists, while staying in the cities, complained about the crowds of boisterous young blacks going by their apartments.
Young people buying homes pay large amounts for small houses in the distant suburbs and sometimes commute for about 2 hours/day. You can hear them talking about “good schools” as a primary concern. Of course, my parents and grandparents all went to “good schools” in the city. I imagine many of the buildings are still standing, and they can just dust off the old lesson plans.
Bad Daniel. Bad.
He is right. But you have the last laugh according to his theory because you are also black.
I do not know if Mr. “Chieh” is also black as well according to these theories.
How young Pakistanis from the segment, who can afford to buy apartments in London, are now – it’s how Pakistanis as a country will behave, if country ever becomes successful and with high economic development.
Things you idealize, are mainly a product of low current development level of your country. And this idealization from afar – as a result of living in a Western, in an alienated and vacuous America, surrounded by American nihilism, but perhaps without immersion in American high culture (to extent it exists) and being distant from your homecountry. But people who live in your homecountry, and are from rich segments – talking not like this in anyway or idealizing.
Some of Trump’s insults from the campaign:
• Suggested Jeb Bush’s wife was an illegal alien and also ugly
• Repeatedly called Jeb Bush “weak” and “low energy”
• Suggested Ted Cruz’s wife is ugly and that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy
• Called Ted Cruz a liar and nicknamed him “Lyin’ Ted”
• Called John Kasich’s eating habits disgusting
• Suggested Carly Fiorina is hideous
• Insinuated journalist Megyn Kelly was menstruating when she was hostile to him
• Stated that neither Megyn Kelly nor the women accusing him of sexual assault were hot enough to be worth sexually assaulting
• Called Gentle Ben Carson the “Sheriff of Nodding Off”
• Called Rick Perry stupid and noted he was trying to hide his stupidity with glasses
• Called Bernie Sanders insane
• Claimed Hillary Clinton is corrupt, a liar, a thief, etc.
• Called Bill Clinton a rapist
• Stated President Obama founded the Islamic State
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html
Here’s one of Hillary’s final TV campaign ads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy8HRdlLGCQ
And now Jair Bolsonaro, the Trump of the Tropics, appears poised to insult his way to the Presidency of Brazil.
https://theintercept.com/2014/12/11/misogynistic-hateful-elected-official-democacratic-world-brazils-jair-bolsonaro/
I could never be with a woman smarter than I am, or even about as intelligent.
Single, are you?
Did you mean Bad Doberan-Land?
Right, Bliss: the Founding Fathers were all nutso Commies. That is why we didn’t have a permanent federal income tax until 1913.
A bit strange that you are invoking them? When shown the yearly rent bill of blacks, there’s not a man among them that wouldn’t have took one look at a tractor or a jet airplane and not said “Let’s deport all the blacks back to Africa! It will cost a fortune, but we will be better off the very minute they are gone!”
If you’ve pegged me for a monarchist, I must correct you. Monarchy has a pretty poor record in Europe, and I certainly would not endorse it, unless its form was much altered.
But if same different race kids grow up in separate countries, with their own cultures and language, and then meet together in international course for a summer – they will all (almost all) be friends, and talking about going on holiday in each other’s countries the next year.
It’s one of the funniest arguments for nationalism, but it’s how matches most experiences you can have of international summer schools or courses.
People like Thorfinssen, Bliss and Greasy, just need their own separate countries, cultures and languages, to grow up in, and they will all be cool if they actually met along with Africans nationalities, European nationalities, and Latino nationalities (respectively) kids from their own, separate homecountries.
Tears to my eyes, Talha.
In my experience the most anxious people about race are blue-state urbanites. Southerners tend to have “politically incorrect” views, though, as do working-class blue-staters. Midwesterners really do believe in diverse Utopia. I haven’t been around west-coasters or New Englanders much. Certainly though this mostly applies to blacks; Asians South or East get along fine with whites. Latins I won’t get into, they vary quite a bit.
And what has Trump achieved so far? Maybe I’ve missed it, but neither his Mexican wall nor the large infrastructure projects he was talking about during his campaign seem to have become reality. No coherent political movement either. On American renaissance they’re even running articles claiming that the political climate for right-wing dissidents has actually become worse since Trump’s election, and that their movement is disorganized and demoralized while the left is organizing and preparing for a vengeful counter-attack.
Trolling and memes aren’t enough.
Lol at this propagator of fake history who tried to claim that the original Hebrews were red heads.
Get used to the truth pal (via mythology in this case):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memnon_(mythology)
In Greek mythology, Memnon (/ˈmɛmnən/; Ancient Greek: Μέμνων) was an Ethiopian king and son of Tithonus and Eos. As a warrior he was considered to be almost Achilles’ equal in skill. During the Trojan War, he brought an army to Troy’s defense and had killed Antilochus during a fierce battle. The death of Memnon echoes that of Hector, another defender of Troy whom Achilles also killed out of revenge for a fallen comrade, Patroclus.
After Memnon’s death, Zeus was moved by Eos’ tears and granted him immortality. Memnon’s death is related at length in the lost epic Aethiopis, composed after The Iliad circa the 7th century BCE. Quintus of Smyrna records Memnon’s death in Posthomerica. His death is also described in Philostratus’ Imagines.
Memnon journeying from the western Ocean with his army of Ethiopians, arrives at Troy in the immediate aftermath of an argument between Polydamas, Helen, and Priam that centres on whether or not the Aethiopian King will show up at all. Memnon’s army is described as being too big to be counted and his arrival starts a huge banquet in his honour. As per usual the two leaders (Memnon and, in this case, Priam) end the dinner by exchanging glorious war stories, and Memnon’s tales lead Priam to declare that the Aethiopian King will be Troy’s saviour.
Roman writers and later classical Greek writers such as Diodorus Siculus believed Memnon hailed from “Aethiopia”, a geographical area in Africa, usually south of Egypt. Because the original historical work by Arctinus of Miletus only survives in fragments, most of what is known about Memnon comes from post-Homeric Greek and Roman writers. Homer only makes passing mention to Memnon in the Odyssey.[3]
Herodotus called Susa “the city of Memnon,”[4] Herodotus describes two tall statues with Egyptian and Ethiopian dress that some, he says, identify as Memnon; he disagrees, having previously stated that he believes it to be Sesostris.
It ain’t kosher to stomp on people’s myths and dreams for no good reason.
We disagree about the word “successful”. If that is how Pakistan will behave with high economic development, then may Allah swt never let it attain high economic development.
This is literally the same story repeated in the Qur’an again and again; God gives wealth and plenty to a people, then they turn away from Him until the case against them becomes manifest and He destroys them or replaces them.
“By Allah, it is not poverty I fear for you, but rather I fear you will be given the wealth of the world just as it was given to those before you. You will compete for it just as they competed for it and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them.” – reported in Bukhari and Muslim
Wealth without loss of faith is fine, if it comes at the price of one’s religion – it is a tragedy like no other. I have not seen any country achieve the opulence of the West without the attendant massive loss of faith, thus there is no reason to assume we will be the exception.
I know – and they are writing the script for their replacement.
Peace.
This is what I’ve been saying.
My Jewish friends who moved to Israel all became more normal and less neurotic.
Greasy needs to move to Israel, Thor to Sweden, and Bliss to Egypt, the land of his ancestors.
Now we’re moving into a different discussion where I don’t disagree with you.
Charisma’s nice, but no substitute for organization. Sloppy Steve Bannon was building something, but screwed up by alienating Trump (he was most likely the main source of leaks that plagued the early administration) and failing to properly vet Roy Moore (though if Moore had won anyway Bannon might’ve kept Mercer’s money).
Recent models from American history for organization would be FDR and Conservatism, Inc. Evangelicals a good model from a grass roots POV, though we don’t have churches. The gun rights people have also been highly effective.
A source of funds must be found. Steve Sailer has suggested using tariffs to extract contributions from the business sector. Certainly United States Steel and Nucor ought to be funding us now.
Big ticket infrastructure programs, in addition to being desirable on their face, would provide a reliable source of funds. Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party uses this effectively.
Space exploration could attract funding from the aerospace sector.
But I think its the other way around – you can only become wealthy if you’ve turned your back on spirituality.
I know you are older so I’m not sure if your mother is around or not, but I’m sure you have fond memories. I don’t think one ever recovers from the day when the person who brought them into this world is removed from it – I have no idea what life would be like without being able to count on my mom picking up the phone when I call.
In all conversations men have when dealing with these issues about women (rights, culture, etc.), men should keep their mothers in the forefront of their minds. People want to talk race-treason here, but that is far less treasonous than disrespect to the womb that bore you.
Peace.
Materialists only see a partial picture.
They see Jewish ethnic cohesion but they don’t see the religious and cultural glue that holds it together. So they try to reproduce it on HBD principles – which is bound to fail.
They see Leftists always insult their enemies viciously – but they don’t see the inspiring moral vision in the background that is the source of their fervor.
Materialists always try to reproduce the effect without understanding the intangible causes.
Surprised to see such an insight from you GR.
I don’t think one ever recovers from the day when the person who brought them into this world is removed from it
You don’t. You always think of one more call that you could have made, one more visit, one more conversation, one more day trip.
This Afrocentric nonsense Bliss believes in deserves to be ridiculed though. It’s evidently untrue, and it’s also explicitly anti-white since it’s based on the assumption that Europeans have systematically stolen the achievements of Africans and created an edifice of lies about history, just to keep blacks oppressed.
Must be due to your good influence.
I agree though that the right needs to create an attractive culture.
If I might ask, what could he do that would satisfy you?
IMO, he is at least the best president since Reagan, maybe even Ike. Mind you, that is not high praise. Both men were flawed.
But we’ve had a string of doltish scoundrels, and the wife of the biggest philanderer was getting up to bat. I doubt if any of the other candidates would have done a better job. The Supreme Court is not nothing. Nor is actually saying that Europe hasn’t been improved by recent immigration – neither of the Bushes would have said that. Other than that, his powers are quite limited.
You know what my brother said? He wondered if he would be shot because he was bucking the corrupt system so much. You know who my brother voted for a few years ago? Ralph Nader.
I’m afraid American politics is a dumpster fire. It was never anything to write home about, but it is noticeably starting to resemble third world politics and will undoubtedly converge on them in many ways. (not that European politics are much better). Any movement for betterment has got to be cultural or technological because elections are out. Elections are just censuses. And they never much counted to begin with.
Here’s some other info about the Ethiopian King Memnon:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memnon_(mythology)#Memnon_father_of_Thor
In the Prologue of Snorri Sturluson’s Prose Edda, Memnon is cited as the father of the Germanic God Thor.
These chieftains were in every manly part greatly above other men that have ever been in the world. One king among them was called Múnón or Mennón; and he was wedded to the daughter of the High King Priam, her who was called Tróán; they had a child named Trór, whom we call Thor.[17]
So, according to this book written around 1220, the great god of the pagan Germanics was the mongrel son of an Ethiopian father and an Anatolian mother. And the resident racist psychopath Thugfinnson (or Pigfinnson if you prefer) has named himself after this Viking god with an african father and a Hittite mother. Lol.
Some Ancient Greek depictions of the Ethiopian Memnon, father of Thor:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/The_Departure_of_Memnon_for_Troy._Greek%2C_circa_550-525_B.C..jpg/220px-The_Departure_of_Memnon_for_Troy._Greek%2C_circa_550-525_B.C..jpg
http://solarey.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/portrait-of-Memnon-02.jpg
Blacks also believe they’ve invented lots of technologies which were invented by whites (mostly Anglos).
https://tightroperecords.com/Black-Invention-Myths.htm
Appears they also tried to claim an invention of Werner von Siemens. We wuz krautz. 😀
Thanks to the 2017 film Hidden Figures, many blacks now believe they’re responsible for the success of Project Apollo.
I’ve also heard blacks claim that both the Civil War and WW2 would’ve been lost without black troops.
Blacks have Texas-sized egos but not the capabilities to match. They cope with the very obvious evidence of their inferiority by sincerely believing in outrageous lies and wild conspiracy theories.
In a way, this shows Dmitri and AaronB to be correct. Left to their own devices in Africa, never knowing of the white man (or the Arab slaver), they’d be psychologically much healthier. In fact they could boast of their superiority over the hapless capoids and pygmies.
Who are you and what have you done with Thorfinnsson?
In the Quran Allah gives wealth to Mohammad and his gang through robbery. Not exactly a good example to follow.
and it’s also explicitly anti-white since it’s based on the assumption that Europeans have systematically stolen the achievements of Africans
Well, if there had been any achievements we certainly would have stolen them. 🙂
I see your point and the second part seems to be inevitable.
I just don’t see the harm in my thinking that I am descended from Charlemagne.
Koran is mythological text written by 7th century chief in Saudi Arabia (mainly copying other religions, but there’s nothing wrong in cultural synthesis).
Maybe it has useful ideas in there which can help to structure life, but for modern world – only when people modernize and adapt it, and also localize it to native culture.
For Pakistanis, it was written not by the same race/nationality, and not in their native language (which is designed for their soul). It’s original culture of Arabs who invaded the country, and so we can infer it is a foreign text, not designed for soul of native Pakistani people (but rather for Saudis), and Pakistanis would need to localize the religion if it will fit their race’s own emotions and soul need.
Do you think Japan has suffered from Meiji Restoration?
Wealth – and resulting educational opportunities – can give people access to more higher culture and spirituality. But it’s only if people make advantage of it.
Rich Pakistani engineering student I met – his main obsession EDM. Maybe he gets spirituality from this? (It’s his life).
But (for other example) love of ruler of Oman is classical music and opera, and it’s easier to say he will get more profound emotions from this, even if it ultimately foreign culture (at least it is foreign high culture of a deeper spiritual significance).
Pakistan itself will need to develop its own higher culture, and adapt and localize foreign cultural imports. Russia has achieved this already in the 18th and 19th century. Japan in the 19th century.
Now in Russia, a lot of historical bad navigation – but today, if economy and other problems can be fixed, the future is very bright, with awesome potential. Cool thing is it was a result of cultural synthesis and localization.
Must be representing more successful (in practical way) families in Pakistan. Unlike maybe Japanese, Russian, etc, language, they don’t have such a strong culture richness in Urdu. But they will bring back to their country, new ideas and modernization, and which (if we are optimistically about Pakistan) synthesize with native culture, and lead to higher development in the future.
I’m not American, so my opinion on this isn’t worth much. It’s just that I don’t get the impression that Trump has really achieved much of substance so far, all the negative demographic and cultural trends people here are worried about are continuing unabated. There’s too much of a personality cult around Trump as an individual instead of a more broad-based movement. That’s dangerous on many levels imo and doesn’t bode well for long-term success. There’s also the risk that he’ll do something truly stupid in foreign policy, like stumbling into a war with Iran, which would probably turn out to be a disaster for the American right.
Of course there’s not much point in blaming Trump for all this, the rot goes so deep one could hardly expect a single man to turn it all around.
In my experience stylish women are all of at least above average intelligence, although being a genius is not required.
Stylish women do not need fashion magazines to tell themselves how to dress well.
No nutso, you are stupidly projecting 20th century ideologies back to the 18th century. Only someone utterly clueless about history would deny that the American Republic was an Enlightenment project.
Why do you think the Founding Fathers of America were called “infidels” and the American Constitution a “godless document” by the conservatives of that time?
I’m not American, so my opinion on this isn’t worth much.
Symbolism, GR, symbolism.
They do, when one accounts for class. In the upper middle-class town where I live, from what I see in kids, the white, Asian, and rare black kids (i.e,, a daughter of some Nigerian physician) mix normally. But poor people are segregated out.
Unless I’m mistaken, Muslims regard the Koran as the direct word of God – how could you modernize that? For the truly devout, this would be seen as betrayal of the divine revelation and apostasy.
– how could you modernize that?
See: Old Testament, New Testament.
Kangz we all were.
That’s not the direct word of God though, but written by mortal men…according to Christian tradition through inspiration by the Holy Spirit, but that’s not exactly the same.
They do, when one accounts for class.
Well , I am glad that you qualified that. Down here in the real world the racial divide is inevitable in middle school.
On a related note, my anecdotal experiences tell me that black/white relations in the US are at their best in community sports and the military.
I agree with you in general, but I can list some positive developments:
• Record number of Court appointments and Trump is likely to create a generational right-wing Supreme Court
• “Refugee” admissions reduced over 95%
• Illegal border crossings down 60%
• Corporate tax reform (I realize this isn’t one of our signature issues, but it needed to be done)
• Generally successful foreign policy, especially on trade
• Taboo on meeting “evil” foreign countries broken (Trump is now working on a meeting with Iran)
• Press and Dweeb State completely discredited
• Strong economy (not that Trump deserves a lot of credit, but he merits some for his relentless cheerleading)
I’d say the main positive changes are cultural. It’s true that FAR right organization has gotten more difficult, but normal American right-wingers have become much bolder and more nationalistic. Immigration is now the #1 issue in America, which it never was before.
Consider that prior to Trump, nationalism barely existed as an ideology in America at all. We had even less nationalism than Germany of all places had.
But like you say, if we just rely on Trump we’ll fail unless he turns the country into a dictatorship, which he won’t. We need to organize.
Aside from our lack of organization and resources, a major problem remains existing Republican officeholders who are trapped in a 1980s time warp. Fortunately the Republican base is increasingly radically nationalistic and punishing officeholders who don’t get with the program.
The business sector really needs to get with the program. I keep working on my fellow businessmen, some are finally starting to get it through their thick heads that there won’t be a paradise for Corporate America anymore if we turn into Brazil Norte.
A word on Iran–I don’t agree with our Iran policy, but I don’t see much downside to our current strategy. There won’t be a land war and there’s little Iran can do to harm us. There’s even some upside in that Saudi Arabia basically paid us a $400 billion bribe.
GR, you are commenting with an atheist Evangelical Christian.
The KJV is the direct Word of God.
And no, he didn’t do any updates with the Koran, the Book of Mormon or the Moonie Bible.
Think about the Christianity of Victorian England, about which Nietzsche writes critically. It has little in common with original Christianity which was a radical Jewish sect of desert mystics of 1st century Israel.
Christianity localized into different segments of Europe – often in bloody and violent ways – over centuries, so that eventually becomes suitable (to an extent) even for needs of civilized English gentlemen.
Koran is native mythology (by cultural synthesis) of Saudi Arabs, adopted (by invasion and geographical proximity) by at the time, weaker races like Pakistanis (or they were Punjabis, Pashtuns, etc) – for which it is something foreign cultural import, no less than EDM music and Nike trainers.
As/if Pakistan develops as other countries have, they will need to modernize and adopt it to their own needs, in the same way radical Ancient Israeli religion of Christianity, was adopted and synthesized so much, it could even be religion of 19th century English gentlemen,
Though, not necessarily “diluting” religion in the historical process, but sometimes becoming more radical. Haredi Judaism is completely “modernization” and “localization” of Ancient Israel’s mythology, occurring in Modern Europe, but yet they become even more superstitious and hostile to later historical eras than before, even wearing cloths of 18th century Europe (when the cults were created) when living now in 40° celsius Middle East. Something like Amish of America is similar strange process.
Is that really true though? When one looks at the numbers here
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-immigration/immigration-top-issue-for-us-voters-economy-a-close-second-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN1JV31K
one finds that only 15% of all registered voters and 26% of registered Republicans cited immigration as their top issue. Which doesn’t sound like that much tbh.
I guess though the US has become increasingly polarized over the last few years, it’s striking how openly US liberals on the net express their revenge fantasies and their desire to “punish” Trump supporters.
You mean, God actually dictated it in 17th century English?
Anyway, I don’t think any of us here really has any good idea about the chances for secularization in the Islamic world. I know there are those who think Islam is already quite brittle and will eventually fade in importance. But on the other hand, the trend in the last few decades has actually rather been one of re-Islamization in countries like Turkey or Algeria.
15 and 26 percent are large figures, considering there are many other issues and few people understand how to think as we do. And for any issue to surpass the economy (outside of wartime) is quite exceptional.
A general issue with left vs. right is that the left consists of holy warriors while the right traditionally just wants to be left alone (and maybe make some money or blow up some poor “enemy” country). Thus the left traditionally wins. Historically this is why fascism arose–the only branch of the right with the same fanaticism as the left.
It seems to be that this is happening again today. Just look at me–I literally want leftists killed. You’re not there yet I assume, but my attitude is spreading among the next generation.
Rosie Rosie Rosie…you’ll find that even some pigs have hearts of gold too.
http://biozymeinc.com/surechamp/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/03/image2.jpg
But as I understand it, there have actually been strong trends towards increased homogenization in much of the Islamic world over the last few decades, unfortunately often along the lines of the religious-cultural practices of Saudi-Arabia, with religious zealots often rejecting local expressions of faith as un-Islamic.
it’s striking how openly US liberals on the net express their revenge fantasies and their desire to “punish” Trump supporters.
It’s not just on the net. Every day that Trump trolls the MSM is one more day when Americans that are paying attention can see for themselves the contortions on display.
You whackjobs have allowed yourself to be hopelessly brainwashed by a fake twisted history in which the very recently civilized forest and swamp dwellers of Northern Europe have always been the Aryan master race who founded every civilization known to mankind. Lol. One of your pathetic ilk was even stubbornly claiming that the Mongols were nordic caucasoids in this forum just a few days. Get real bozos.
Unfortunately for you all the Egyptians were not Europeans:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/Great_Sphinx_of_Giza_May_2015.JPG/1200px-Great_Sphinx_of_Giza_May_2015.JPG
Neither were the Olmecs:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/T9qfGPLnW4U/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/bNaz4Sj8WXk-HIbVJj0CjPxZ8z8=/768×0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/WP_001012-56a58ab93df78cf77288ba95.jpg
I don’t believe I ever claimed that Egyptians or Olmecs were European, and the Nordic Egypt/Greece/Rome/Sumeria/Whatever theories are long gone.
I am indeed Northern European, and yes my ancestors were living in bogs and swamps not too long ago. But then they got it together and got it together pretty well. And we’ve kept it up.
But then I’m not an uppity jigaboo with a chip on my shoulder. Not only are my nationality and race accomplished, but my family and myself are accomplished too. So I don’t need to steal other people’s achievements to wake up in the morning.
I will admit the Olmec heads look like niggers and that merits further investigation. Wild theory I made up on the fly: Igbo/Yoruba are known for being black and not retarded. They also have like a fifth of their DNA from an unidentified archaic ghost hominid. Could these ghost hominids have made contact with the Olmecs?
Perhaps these ghost hominids were intelligent Africans which made contact with the Olmecs but then disappeared somehow.
Who’s claiming that here? Total strawman.
In reality you’re the one who’s peddling pseudo-history for racial reasons.
American politics is primarily discussed through the lens of big personalities – it is the result of 1.) the presidential system, 2.) natural leftist instinct to viciously target or blindly boost celebrities, depending on their faction, and 3.) a general ignorance, not specific to America, which reduces all of history/present/future to celebrity.
The Tea Party preceded Trump, and as a turn of phrase or self-identification, it was kind of something of a fad. If there is hope for US reform, IMO, it will come partly from the impetus of a multipolar world, where the dollar is not supreme. And I think we are headed there.
It won’t happen. I’d bet my bank account on it. It is saber-rattling, like NK, and Trump met with Kim. I don’t see Trump as a militarist, but, in any case, he is canny enough to realize Iran is too big to attack with any real political feasibility. Besides, Bush provided a pretty memorable example of what not to do, and there is branding if nothing else.
For Saudi Arabs, must be a lot of prestige and soft-power, when all these different, completely foreign races still adopting your native culture and learning your original language as a religious requirement.
I guess Pakistanis are completely “cucks”. Their original religion is Buddhism and Hinduism, until they were defeated in battle, and conquered by Arabs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_campaigns_in_India
It’s not like Buddhism coming to Japan, where it was spread by visiting monks.
For descendants of people of Pakistan – they lost a battle, and religion pushed onto them (when they already had their own more developed native religions).
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If we think religious reform will come from within Saudi Arabia? Country is modernizing very fast so maybe it’ll happen. I actually studied English for short time with some Saudis – they don’t seem very interested in religion or anything intellectual though (I guess just accepting their religion, as ancient ancestral heritage and worldview).
Bliss, how sad is it that savage and prehistoric Mesoamericans with their giant heads far exceeded the totality of sub-Saharan architectural accomplishment?
You haven’t really “got it together pretty well” if you still feel the need to dehumanize other peoples (or the other sex) and lie about their history. That makes you a psychopath. A thoroughly contemptible swamp creature who shouldn’t be allowed in civil society. Someday you will come to regret your posts here for they will be used against you by victims of your malice.
You have accomplished nothing of worth in your life if you remain as full of hate, greed and vanity as you so obviously are.
Who are you kidding? You probably can’t call it a day unless you have demeaned and dehumanized some woman or some minority or someone poorer or uglier than you.
My standard policy on the term “dehumanize” is that anyone who utters it should be immediately deported to a concentration camp. Perhaps I’m de-vertebratizing snakes when I denounce them?
By the way, where are you sourcing your weaves from? Asian women?
My experience with Saudis is that unless there’s some magical elite that I don’t know of that shall emerge with Neom, I don’t see much coming from there. Its really quite dysfunctional. Iran, on the other hand, does hold title to an ancient civilization and Iranians that I’ve worked with are very capable people. If any Muslim country is going to be triumphant in the near future, I think it’ll be Iran.
Englishmen and Japanese, were once living as barbarians a few thousand years.
But Rigveda was written by Ancient Russians (well semi-joking here), who settled in India. Their most ancient discovered homeland is 200 kilometers South of Chelyabinsk. Deepest spiritual concepts like Dharma – originated from immigrants from Chelyabinsk region, where were found (amongst other things), the oldest chariots in world history.
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The site of Sintashta is a little South of Chelyabinsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVXVxEbKrTE
The forced prostitution was some fantasy that you came up with.
In case you haven’t noticed, what we currently have in the West is feminism plus lots of exploitation of women (porn, prostitution, hook-up culture, slut culture, etc). It seems that the more feminism a society has the more women get exploited.
I’d prefer a return to traditional cultural values in which there was actually a lot less exploitation of women. And a lot less exploitation of children.
I’ve tried to explain this before but I’ll try again. I dislike feminism because it’s misogynistic. It’s bad for women.
Spoils of war are not robbery.
If one looks at what happened in the Hijaz (without any regard to religion) this is what one finds:
– Two Arab city-states (Makkah and Madinah) went to war (Madinah being home to exiles kicked out of Makkah)
– The two scrambled for supremacy in the conflict by making tribal alliances
– If a tribe took an alliance with one side, they effectively declared war on the other and opened themselves (and their caravans) up to be on the receiving end of razzias (traditional Arab raiding warfare) – sucked for them
– Madinah took Makkah to the ropes and KO’ed her in round 10
– Makkah joined Madinah
If you mean to say he used his position to live a materially opulent life, present evidence…good luck:
“I visited Allah’s Messenger (pbuh), and he was lying on a mat. I sat down and he drew up his lower garment over him and he had nothing (else) over him, and that the mat had left its marks on his sides. I looked with my eyes in the store room of Allah’s Messenger (pbuh). I found only a handful of barley equal to one sa’ and an equal quantity of the leaves of Mimosa Flava placed in the nook of the cell, and a semi-tanned leather bag hanging (in one side), and I was moved to tears (on seeing this extremely austerity), and he said: ‘Ibn Khattab, what wakes you weep?’ I said: ‘Apostle of Allah, why should I not shed tears? This mat has left its marks on your sides and I do not see in your store room (except these few things) that I have seen; Ceasar and Chosroes are leading their lives in plenty whereas you are Allah’s Messenger. His chosen one, and that is your store!’ He said: ‘Ibn Khattab, aren’t you satisfied that for us (there should be the prosperity) of the Hereafter, and for them (there should be the prosperity of) this world?'” – reported in Muslim
“The Prophet (pbuh) died while his shield was mortgaged with a Jew for 30 Saa’ (A Saa’ equals approximately one and half kilogram) of wheat.” – reported in Bukhari and Muslim
Peace.
A highly individualistic, sink-or-swim culture will eventually destroy itself, as ours is doing.
What’s needed is the welfare state. Which I don’t have a problem with.
Or at least that’s one of the things that is needed. Along with a whole lot of other things like shutting down all non-STEM departments in universities, banning social media, etc.
Another stupid demographic fear mongering article on China. Hello? Did you hear China has 1.4 billion people? A country of 1.4 billion people simply does not run out of people! The last thing China needs is more mouths to feed, and the last thing the world needs is more Chinese people. They already make up 1/5 of humanity. The world’s resources are finite. China’s population needs to shrink down to 500m for them to have any hope of reaching developed world living standards.
It just annoys me to no end to read this kind of articles in the west. China is doing the responsible thing by controlling their population growth while countries like India and in Africa are being irresponsible and overpopulate the earth, guess who’s bearing the brunt of their over population? The Economist loves to write this kind of stupid articles and I stopped reading them. Now this stupid shit comes to Unz.
Stop the stupidity. Leave China alone to manage their own population. The last thing the western world needs is more immigration from China.
Agreed. It’s been given a pretty thorough trial, and it doesn’t work.
People who demand rights never seem to want the things that go along with rights, like duties. They don’t seem interested in the idea that they might have duties towards society.
Obviously if I believed that, I would not be Muslim.
Rulings already have been going through this process – have you ever read any of the works of scholars like the late Shaykh Wahba Zuhayli (ra) and his assessment of the compatibility of modern international law in the light of the Shariah? Shaykh Ibn Ashur (ra)?
Islam has always adapted to local culture; we literally have nomadic, aboriginal cultures still stuck in the 10th century which YOU want to modernize while we have zero reasons to because Islam never intended to create a mono-culture.
LOL! You’re kidding right? First off, most fo the conquering was done by Persianized Turks. Second, do you know how much of Pakistani culture is wrapped up in the Sufi saints that brought our people the religion?
Thanks, Pakistanis will think about your opinion on what our souls need. Given that you are an atheist; what is a “soul” anyway?
Depends – did you read that article about the elderly in Japanese prisons? I never said Pakistan couldn’t benefit from modernization. In fact, the Muslim gun powder empires often hired European consultants to help modernize parts of their army or government. But once we reach the point of it causing a crisis in religious values, then we know when to pull the brakes.
OK – and it can also put the culture into a downward spiral.
Why? What does Omani culture have that lacks in emotion?
OK…adopting foreign Islam = cucks. Adopting foreign European culture = full throttle enlightened awesomeness!!!
This is opinion – thanks.
Somebody hasn’t been reading Iqbal. Oh – you mean LARPing Euro-culture – my bad!
Glad for the Russians – but if Pakistan’s mosque attendance on Fridays mirrored their current level of church attendance, we should use their gift-to-the-world (Kalashnikov, you cad) and put a round in our brains.
Wow – really – and Pakistanis are supposed to take them seriously? Imagine an elite in America trying to foist a brave-new-world culture on its people while speaking Spanish or French as their primary language and being barely literate in English.
I’m optimistic about Pakistan’s future in the long run – which also means I see them developing and modernizing without loss of Islamic values or tradition. I don’t see it as a necessary conflict – there is a level of technological adoption that shouldn’t hurt religion. For instance, Pakistani doctors are suggesting pre-marital genetic screening (especially) for cousins who may be thinking of marrying in order to avoid diseases in offspring.
Peace.
There is very little difference between the Christianity that Paul preached and contemporary Protestant/Evangelical Christianity. It is possible that modern Christianity is different from what Jesus preached but we really have no way of knowing because we can’t ask Jesus to clarify what he meant by the various things he said.
I dislike feminism because it’s misandranistic. It’s bad for men.
White liberal Americans seem to go to extraordinary lengths, and expense, to ensure they live in towns or at least neigbourhoods that are almost entirely white (perhaps with some East Asians). And those white liberals seem to go to extraordinary lengths, and expense, to ensure that their children go to school with white and East Asian kids.
That suggests an extreme fear of blacks, or an extreme distaste for blacks.
But of course white liberal Americans are the most virtuous people who ever lived so they can’t possibly hate blacks. So they go to incredible lengths to prove their non-racism. In fact they’ll go to any lengths to prove their non-racism, as long as it doesn’t involve actually living among blacks or sending their kids to school with them.
And this, boys and girls, is what is called cognitive dissonance and it’s why white liberal Americans are so crazy. They just can’t accept their own racism.
Talha, if your survival plan relies on backwards peasants outbreeding and outlasting everybody else, why are you then surprised when Saracens get a reputation for being backwards peasants?
Feminism told women that they should aspire to do what men do, think how men think, participate in masculine activities. It did this because feminists hate women and hate themselves for being women. Feminism encouraged women to get involved in politics because politics was what men did.
The problem is that feminism is at war with reality. The reality is that women are not suited to politics. Women in politics tend to over-compensate and to be petty and vindictive because they know they aren’t really competent. That’s why women in politics are a disaster – think Hillary Clinton, Julia Gillard, Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Theresa May. Not just incompetents, but vicious incompetents, because they’re trying to do something for which they’re not suited.
It doesn’t – the assumption is that most people will eventually come to Islam. Belief in Islam assumes belief in its eventual position as apex religion:
“He it is, Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion. And Allah suffices as a Witness.” (48:28)
…followed eventually by its eventual collapse and triumph of worldwide disbelief – but that’s a story for another time, children – first things first.
Also, those who outbreed and outlast everybody are not backwards – they are the future by definition. So a little respect for the future stewards of the Earth is in order.
Peace.
We’re not at an optimal population for the Earth, gotta go one child policy on every one on the planet, and you could reduce the population down to something reasonable in a century.
Children are only a heavy commitment for 20 years, not even life really – have em at 20 and you’re out quite early!
The West has no ideology that needs birth – everyone is an atheist and an individual and can do as they please.. needs a driving force. Or maybe the chemicals are already doing us all in so it wouldn’t matter anyways!! 🙂
Scraping out a cockroach-like existence out of perpetual dust is an awful vision. If they have no significance then they might as well perish.
Who says it has to be like that? I certainly don’t see that as the future of humanity. I’ve traveled through parts of the Muslim world where people live in poverty or in barely-subsistence life circumstances. People aren’t all gloom and doom there. Many are actually quite content and live fulfilling lives – maybe not for Westerners, but they seem to enjoy the simple pleasures of life; family, kids, relatives, religion – debating politics in tea houses until the call for pre-dawn prayer…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U22o0m_jkm8
Attitude makes a massive difference in quality of life.
Peace.
That’s actually more cruel trolling than what Thorfinsson is doing.
An animal in a cage might also be happy at its station in life, but if it vanished tomorrow, its life would have been meaningless.
What matters is if they have value to their Creator and as long as they continue to call upon Him as obedient slaves:
“Many a dishevelled one, covered in dust, clothed in old sheets, turned away from peoples doors, (has such a attachment with Allah that) if he swears by Allah, certainly Allah will fulfill his words.” – reported in Tabarani’s collection
God is interested in the hearts of His servants – they are more valuable to Him than the entire universe and all that it contains.
The West has pegged human value to the material plane – it seems to be a fatal metaphysical error that they cannot shake themselves out from. It is an unbridgeable cosmological divide between post-modern and pre-modern man.
Peace.
Don’t forget the Chinese, the Russians,* homosexuals, “transgender,” limp-wristed males who are afraid guns, those with low visuospatial IQ, women, children, cats, cute little bunnies, chewing gum, stuffed animals…
Didn’t see it. But if I did, I would tell Monsieur Tell that I share his low opinion of the Chinese and that I do not want anymore of them in my country (those who are already in are grandfathered), but that his language is not classy and proper, and may even be indicative of poor breeding and education as well as of a modest IQ… you know, as with you.
*Reading this blog is definitely lessening my anti-Russian sentiments (and I mean Russian-Russians; I already think well of Russian-Americans).
How did you get that from this?
All life is ultimately meaningless at the material level. We are simply waiting for the heat death of the universe – jumbling molecules around here or there on an insignificant planet in some corner of the universe is ultimately futile.
Peace.
I think that’s probably true. The problem with Trump is that he has no actual interest in the culture war. He has no intention of rolling back any of the liberal insanity. He has no intention of confronting the cultural degeneracy of America. He has no interest in dismantling the evil apparatus of feminism. He is basically a liberal and he’s totally cool with moral and cultural degeneracy.
So once the Democrats are back in power we’re going to get an incredibly savage war of revenge waged by liberals and we’re going to suffer that for nothing. We have nothing to show for it.
Trump has simply created favourable conditions for the imposition of vicious liberal totalitarianism. Which is the future that liberals have planned.
I don’t know about that. My wife has a STEM Ph.D., ran a small but complex business with me, and is quite intelligent. And she always dresses and accessorizes very elegantly, a habit she seems to have picked up from her traditional upper crust family. Even when she is riding, hunting, hiking, or wallowing in the mud with our children, she wouldn’t look out of place in a Barbour catalog.
To achieve great things is indefinitely more meaningful than merely existing as a dust being with a cockroach mentality.
And what is greater than achieving the purpose for which one was created; to worship your Lord and attain His good pleasure…
If one does not meet that criterion, then what have they attained?
This is ultimately about the purpose of man – all metrics of value derive from this central question and principal assumption.
Peace.
We don’t have to revive fascism but we can certainly learn from its success. In Italy the fascists went from being nowhere to being the government in three or four years. It was an ideology that captured people’s imaginations and inspired people.
It even inspired artists and intellectuals (although most of them didn’t like to be reminded in later years of their earlier enthusiasm for fascism). So far no other political ideology of the right has succeeded in winning over the arty-intellectual types.
Fascism had style and energy. It was exciting.
Since we’re going to be labelled as fascists anyway we might as well pick up a few pointers on success from the actual fascists.
And now we have come to the crux of the discussion; how to accomplish that? Our theological beliefs appear to be too differing to achieve a synthesis, so I think we have met a decent end-point of this discussion.
It’s both misogynistic and misandranistic. It’s a disaster for everybody. Except possibly for a small minority of wealthy and very privileged women in the media and academia. But those women tend to be mentally ill so they end up being miserable anyway.
Unsurprising that you already like Jews
Read again. Bliss is probably referring to comments of mine such as this: http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-tablet-why-did-jewish-organizations-oppose-quotas-in-1978-and-back-them-in-2012/#comment-2444099
Or how about the type of fascism that outlived all the others? Of the Francoist-phalangist kind. Much more traditionally rooted and, frankly, much more inclusive (and thus more widely appealing) than the ones that died horribly in the war.
Russian or Hungarian pro natalilism does not begin to approach what China will do. In China’s social credit system every business and every individual will be tracked, watched and computer rated, even on how they cross the road (facial recognition tech). This is the ‘observability’ that is a powerful force for cooperation, but achieved in a completely implacable and inhuman way. In the cashless economy of China it will be omnipotent too. Given the developing identification and surveillance capacities of algorithmic systems, Chinese subservience, the very different attitude even in places like Russia and Hungary to government interference in family, economies of scale in China, and the mixing of the most intelligent youngsters in Chinese universities with vital official credits for getting married, the future a generation hence is clear. An army of highly intelligent Chinese conformists whose clever parents get married to each other to get on in life will swarm out of their breeding ground and extirpate the economies of the West. It will be like Leiningen versus the Ants.
‘Patriarchy’ is a system designed by women to keep women and children happy.
If left to their own devices, men will put the women in charge. (Their mothers, wives and lovers.)
“King lets lover run things, everything goes to pot” is a universal human story, as old as humanity itself. (Incidentally, it’s also the plot of Genesis and Macbeth.) The Chinese Cultural Revolution is another recent example from history.
Yeah, for them it is the Word of God, revealed in Arabic. So, translations into Farsi, Urdu, Turkish, Bosniak,…are just translations, not the Koran.
Hebrew scriptures were not so rigidly defined in the beginning, so the Septuagint had had the same status as the Hebrew original (not later). For Christians, the Word of God is Jesus Christ, so Christian scriptures are of the same spiritual value in any language.
For orthodox Muslims, the Koran is spoken only in Arabic & is unalterable in its content. True, they vary in its interpretations, but if you allegorize it maximally, you’ll get whatever you want.
Nobody cares, faggot.
It has come to my attention that there are wamen in this here blog.
Hey Rosie bby, u want sum fuk?
U want some BBC (Big Bulgarian Cock)?
On a serious note, I kinda agree. There is no need to limit women’s political rights.
Vincent Law had a good article at altright,com how women are more based initially, and only become “subversive” once the invasion is perceived as a done deal, i.e. only when the men have allowed themselves to be defeated.
https://altright.com/2017/11/17/women-are-natures-greatest-nationalists/
Also it may be my Balkan bias but in this corner of the world, one way to determine who is White is the way they treat their women.
There is a happy middle between being a white knight/cuck/biological denialist and being a bitter misogynist. Thorfinsson’s attitude to women strikes me as pretty Turkish.
I can give examples of good female politicians in my own country but said country is a bit irrelevant to say the least, so I will give an example with Russia. The best politician there right now is Natalia Poklonskaya, she is pretty much the only one in the Russian Duma that is worthy of respect. Here is she ignoring the visiting American senators while the cuck men are clapping for their enemy.
https://i.imgur.com/UJ4OFN0.jpg
But as I understand it, there have actually been strong trends towards increased homogenization in much of the Islamic world over the last few decades, unfortunately often along the lines of the religious-cultural practices of Saudi-Arabia,
Money talks, as they say:
Moron, Twinkie here means yellow on the outside and white inside, not some sexual degenerate reference in YOUR mind. I’m an orthodox Catholic (= no contraceptive) and have been married to my wife for over two decades. Try to imagine how many children I have.
Geez, who let in this cretin here?
I couldn’t care less what your nickname references.
I called you a faggot because you speak (write) like a faggot – like telling people they shouldn’t say “nigger” because it’s not nice, etc.
You calling somebody a faggot has to be the biggest pot and kettle shit ever.
Did you here about that Syrian pilot that G-d’s Chosen People burrned alive the other day? There’s more where that came from.
Get back to us when your shithole country gets out of the dark ages.
You really are a cretin, aren’t you? I used to hunt bad people for a living on three continents. That made me appreciate civilization more, not less. And you don’t have to speak like a moron to be a tough guy.
Good luck with the rest of your life.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
Did all of that take place in video games in between you watching deviant anime and Japanese movies?
Anatoly, please don’t use the homosexual / childless-lefty-wiseass phrase for normal people who have their own children, “breeders.”
Assuming you will never need people, mostly younger men, to die in combat. Which you surely eventually will. So no, TFR 2.1 is not sufficient in the real world as opposed to the theoretical discussion.
A people or a country is generally growing or dying. Surplus population can and should be used, other than for defense, to send immigrants to whatever other relatively desireable countries will let them settle. Create a diaspora that can wield some cultural and political influence in other societies, if possible, as the Chinese for example are doing wonderfully in Canada, Australia, and parts of the the East and more so West Coasts of the USA.
We should be having 3 children per healthy couple, minimum, and providing funding, serious language training, and encouragement for our people to settle in other lands, especially smaller and/or strategically important countries — rather than more fertile, more confident, and yes less faggotized alien peoples sending settlers here.
Conversely, Russia’s persistently inadequate fertility rate may be improving slightly, but not enough to stop russia from dwindling.
Russia needs, and should have, many many more people for defensive purposes, including holding the lands in the Far East (which border a massively larger Chinese population that will love to have the living space, the minerals and fossil fuels under the ground, and the agricultural land for themselves).
Northeast Asians and white people are on the way out of existence. The world will be much more of a hellhole without us both.
A lot of cheerleading for unlimited growth here. With this mindset firmly in place, humanity is doomed to eat the planet and itself to death.
You’re right that it plays some role in some people’s decision, but high housing costs seem less important than moral values and ideas about the purpose of life.
High housing costs are not a fatal deterrent for people truly committed to having children and willing to make the sacrifices needed to expand their family and perpetuate their nation. We are doing it ourselves.
My wife and I lived with three small children in a ONE-bedroom apartment in Los Angeles for years. We now live in a palatial (not) TWO-bedroom with the kids growing a bit and praying for a fourth baby to come along soon, God willing.
Moreover, many intelligent, educated, productive white people in the USA are simply too selfish, too childishly self-absorbed, and frankly lazy, to “put themselves through”parenthood. One of my own sisters is like this. It would interfere with their drinking and toking and endless hookups, undermine their travel budget, and generally complicate their faggotty atomistic little lives.
I remember being single and reading personal ads online. I was amazed at the number of women, many of whom claimed to want or “be open to” children, who were already in their thirties and still talking about their desire to travel the world with their guy. I think they greatly overestimate the proportion of men, including men with steady good-paying jobs, who could afford anywhere near the travel they want and still provide well for their future and their children’s future. “They watch too many movies”, as the saying goes.
White people in the USA ought to wake the Hell up and realize that they are in a demographic war here, too —with results no less deadly for us than for the Jews in Israel if we don’t keep up.
Even without any further immigration (ha), we would need a far higher fertility rate to avoid being marginalized and then persecuted and then physically subjugated or eliminated right here in the former USA.
We need to have the manpower to fight, to defend homes and neighborhoods and towns, and where possible to reclaim lost territory and resources. And until then, or alongside such defensive efforts, we need more of our own people (including well-raised and assimilated, loyal white/asian people and Hispanic white people) to vote as a bloc, to speak English and demand that others speak it, to participate in political rallies, to participate in boycotts of hostile corporations and institutions, to organize to protect each other’s rights and interests in the workplace and in universities, to deter and severely punish violence or threats against our people, and to generally influence and control the culture.
“Overpopulation.”
Brought to you from the makers of “choice,” “homophobia” and sodomy- as -marriage.
I always wanted four children, and we are so far on track. Was never embarrassed to tell people that’s what I wanted, and still am not embarrassed about it.
While dating, I found plenty of woman (white Americans) who were not serious about having children at all, let alone at a reasonable age, let alone several children. No sense of urgency, and not even a basic realistic understanding of the relevant science. They were often remarkably cavalier about letting years pass, having been brainwashed that “forty is the new thirty”, which leads of course to many more miscarriages, more birth defects, and more ultimately childless women than should ever occur in a healthy, confident, rational people.
From my experience and the experience of male friends, I’m not at all convinced that white women generally want children more than white men in the USA these days. Nor that they generally want more children than the men. Would that it were so.
Of all the stupid things I did while dating, at least I was smart enough never to bother wasting time on women who were obviously too immature and lackadaisical to be counted on to have children and work hard raising them without an attitude.
This planet is merely the shell we hatched from.
It’s our destiny to expand into the stars and destroy this shithole in spectacular fashion.
You’re a coward.
How ignorant and oppressed can one be to still not grasp that “women’s rights” is and always has been for producing conquered peoples?
Balkanoid swine are now white?
The hell is the difference between a Turk and a Bulgarian anyway?
We should just remove all of Europe south of the Danube. Perhaps an honorable exception for Greece owing to their achievements in Antiquity.
That said I’m in stitches over your response to Twinkie’s tough guy routine.
OMG, this and the fact that hundreds of millions of Indians (dot, not feather) are getting toilets does not bode well for the world.
Certainly in America at least middle-class and upper-class women are, by and large, more attractive than lower-class women, due to better habits, better diet, and so on. Obviously that’s a rule that suffers all sorts of exceptions, though.
“As I understand it, the One Child Policy was itself inspired by the neo-Malthusian gloom of those times, adjusted for Western intellectual trends coming a decade late to the Communist world”
WRONG. When Mao first took power, he encouraged the Chinese to have enormous families, “strength through numbers.” Honest economists who thought his policy of forcing population growth, like Ma Yinchu, were purged. The poverty resulting from this extremely rapid rise in the population was so extreme, that the country nearly tore itself apart, and in desperation the Communists adopted the equally oppressive one-family one-child policy.
This is typically what happens when the elites decide that they know better how many children people should have: it’s binge and purge. Malthus and others only said that people should be careful not to have more children than they could support.
On the other hand, despite its brutality, with smaller families the average Chinese have made significant progress, their wages are now higher than in Mexico, and China is becoming a major power. Compare this to India, which remains mired in the 9th century. As one Chinese economist said, we decided to eat, and the Indians decided to have many children.
And now the elites of the western world are demanding that they know better than the average person how many children they should have, and they are going to use mass third-world immigration to force their own desired population growth rates on us. We’ve seen how that story ends before.
As this blog has discussed before, this Chinese peril to the Russian Far East is fictional. The Chinese seek cities, not land, which is significantly unpopulated within China itself except for a few very dense urban areas.
Anyone we know, bitter lady?
Even if true, I don’t see this stopping even with population reduction. Quality of life demands spiral into infinity even if population remains mostly stable; aiming for the stars is the most optimistic solution and one which I continuously supported.
It is not “intelligent” to surrender one’s civilization to alien peoples by letting them settle in your lands while having not nearly enough children yourself. That’s familial and civilizational suicide.
Of all these oh-so-intelligent people who aren’t bothering to have children, is it truly the case that most of them cannot financially “afford” children?
How much do they spend on travel, new vehicles, lattes, tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, television, and other utterly unnecessary luxuries and vices? What are their priorities?
We are driving a very old vehicle, have never paid for TV service during our marriage, do not drink much, live in a smaller place than we’d like, dine out much less than when we had fewer children or were single, etc. We are willing to sacrifice greatly, and we are serious about doing what it takes to raise our own children despite high taxes and high housing costs (and tell me how many places in North America have higher taxes and housing costs than where we live, Los Angeles). The same cannot be said of many of the “intelligent” people who claim that they cannot afford to have children and are “deterred”by the high cost of living these days. Tired of hearing it.
Their Bedouin citizens thanks to polygamy and welfare (especially the latter) are champion breeders.
I have an excellent solution for your concerns about resource shortage and it involves only you.
He’s one the Balkan Russia-fanboys. If someone is pro-Russian, but dumber and cruder than any actual Russian, it is probably a Serb or Bulgarian.
I recall the dangers of compulsory military service being advanced as one reason why secular Israeli couples might aim for a boy, a girl and a spare.
So conversion to Mormonism wasn’t an option for you? Four children seems to be the minimum among Mormons of decent means.
I’ve admired Mormonism for awhile, but going to a religion that believes in invisible Golden Plates and requires magic underpants was a bit much for me. As a system, though, its definitely got things “together” though; arguably only Scientology is more organized, in a truly creepy way.
Real life scene from the the southern US, relayed to me by a friend:
A professor from the local university volunteers to lead adult Sunday school class. He begins by explaining that the Old Testament was written mostly in Hebrew, a little in Chaldean, and that the New Testament was written in vernacular Greek. Therefore no particular translation into English is a priori better than another.
Member of the class: Well, if the King James Bible was good enough for the Apostle Paul, then it’s good enough for me.
Genetic tests are a start, but they are not a catch-all for the bad genetic effects of repeated cousin marriages, because they are a short list of some of the more dramatic stuff, where one mutation can really set you wrong.
Most of the bad mutations that exist in a population, also known as genetic load, are small things with small individual effects which are either not on a list or on very long lists. Everyone has some – you, me. The result is that if you marry your cousin for three generations, your descendants will lose 10-15 IQ points, as well as be less healthy in general. It’s probably actually a worse problem now because some of the genetic load used to be eliminated through high infant mortality, before vaccines.
Maybe the tests will help change the culture, but it would be better for the locals if it did change. Not that I really care – I’m not an nanny-state globalist – if others, in their own countries, want to have black-level IQ, or a shorter lifespan, I say let them. But at minimum it is totally immoral and evil to make the English living in England foot the rather large bill for the health and societal problems of a bunch of inbred Pakistanis who invaded their country.
You might be tired of hearing it, but it’s reality. Homeostasis.
Obviously propaganda can help and should help (instead of doing the opposite).
I only have R-selected children I don’t know because I was previously unwilling to make sacrifices like you have. Looking to have k-selected children now that I can give them the upper class lifestyle they deserve.
There’s still a lot of sacrifices I’m unwillling to make and will not make. For instance the way American parents are effectively chauffeurs sounds absolutely awful to me. Whatever happened to kids just walking and biking? That’s something the culture should change, but personally I can just hire a driver which solves that problem.
I’m well known as an opponent of thots and women, but Rosie doesn’t raise illusory problems. The problems are real.
I think it really strikes Nigerians (and American blacks to the core) that Nigeria has been inhabited by modern humans for less time than Europe.
Since personal revelation can be often an important part of Protestant beliefs, this is actually theologically justified that personal reading/awareness of the Bible and the “spirit of God” is enough to gain an understanding of God. As some Catholic philosophers noted, this can give endless justification to anything at all, and thus why you have both “rainbow churches” and Westboro Baptist.
And at whose expense, the proposed growth of Chinese population will come, Anatoly ‘Krazy’ Karlin? For a Russia lover, you can’t seem to figure out it’ll come from the Russian far east… are you nuts or simply turned into Johnny ‘I Love China Doll, Yellow Ice OK!’ Derb?
India.
John the Baptist was a desert mystic. Every other figure of first-generation Christianity was an urbanite or at least moved in a generally civilized context.
There would be more desert mystics later and there still are some, I’m not running them down, but they are really peripheral to the origin of Christianity.
I’ve heard tell that there are some Catholic churches flying the rainbow flag now in Europe. I have not seen it myself, but heard a worrying story or two about a lesbian couple being welcomed into one church to lead the choir and their critics being effectively turfed out.
Can anyone verify? Seen any rainbow flags in front of a Catholic church?
I found it utterly not credible then, as well. Of course China wants and will desperately need the natural resources and, I’ll wager, the land as well.
Yes, it does, and thank God, given their demographics.
Nah, Mormonism not an option.
I haven’t. That’s basically how the Reformation played out, though, only with guns on the side of the equivalents of the “lesbian couple”.
I would guess that, if true, this story is from Germany.
They are real but seemingly greatly exaggerated for many westerners.
As to anyone who says they couldn’t afford a child, or another child, get an honest answer on what they spend each month on everything in my cranky list of luxuries and vices. Seriously. See how much money is being wasted by millions of self-indulgent, sybaritic white westerners who then claim they can’t afford children.
Without at least that info, some of which can be roughly gleaned from observation over time if you know them well enough / see them often enough, no claim of unaffordability can be verified.
How many couples do we actually know who consistently forgo the things I mentioned and still honestly cannot afford children?
Speak for yourself, I love the cold and hate hot weather.
Also Russian girls are cuter than Indian girls. Now if only they would learn not to put mayonnaise in everything. I actually enjoy dill, potatoes, boiled eggs, and pickles. Beets I admit I am indifferent to, but ill eat it if its put in front of me. But why all of that mayonnaise?
If you have money, a lot of these can be abrogated very effectively. You can live close to a school, well within biking distance for your kids(and within gated communities); you can also just skip it entirely for homeschooling and tutors, which is fairly traditional and probably more effective. The latter is also my preferred personal solution.
I heard of it, but I think its a non-recognized aka fake Catholic Church. I’ve not seen it yet myself.
First, China will have to figure out how to get anyone but the old people to live in its currently arable, but deserted agricultural towns as the clear urbanization trends show. The entire hukou system to some extent was supposed to try to control this, but its not stopping it. Urban incomes are just much higher than agricultural incomes, and that trend won’t stop anytime soon; as mechanization takes up huge portions of agriculture, it’ll probably only intensify it.
There are plenty of other places for natural resources such as Africa which don’t involve pissing off a nuclear power. Your perspective and beliefs aren’t really supported by numbers or evidence, simply the crystalization of bias.
Rosie never saw Thor again, but his children grew fat on bunny rabbit stew and left many descendants that took after the maternal side of the family.
Unfortunately, the events seem to have taken place in Ireland, which was once a stronghold of conservatism. And it’s worse than I thought: they are Ministers of the Eucharist too.
Lesbian Couple to Retake Church Roles…
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Any success of China will always come at the expense of India, which is trying to compete on the same businesses and occasionally indulges in their random inferiority crises. The usual assumption of these discussions involves land, but that has been of decreasing importance for a long time; even so, from an agricultural standpoint, heat is typically easier to handle and manipulate with irrigation composed to dealing with colder areas and the exceptional cost of greenhousing. Western fantasies of a Chinese threat to Russia are always confused.
Bizarre. But at least Ireland is no stranger to heretics taking over the churches.
You probably know this already(and sounds like you took from it), but this is true of wolves. Females hunt small game while males focus on large game; there are occasionally times when males actually bring in less meat but refuse to hunt small game(or simply lack the skills, never practicing them).
But that happens only during “lean times” and it usually means serious issues anyway, the pack is probably dying overall, and its just holdouts until times get better.
That kind of dramatic pozzing is still tragic to see.
I’ve always thought that the Congo atrocities were just British propaganda so the British would be justified in invading Congo to save the people from evil Leopold
The British are masters of propaganda.
Everything you say is right, and sound recommendations, but don’t concede that one needs to have a lot of money to have children. Not so.
We don’t homeschool or tutor, though we wouldn’t rule them out later. And we couldn’t afford a gated community of houses anywhere decent around here. But we gladly sacrifice, including the chauffeuring that a commenter mentioned above.
The chauffeuring enables our kids to spend part of their time with a better group of people than where we live (this is not merely a racial reference, as the white people in downtown LA and much of this immediate area are twisted). The chauffeuring is needed also to as well as acquire useful language, self-defense, and other skills, as certain classes are not available closer to where we live.
There are more and more places in the USA where one may live for work, that require driving to get yourself and most important your kids out to what’s left of America. It’s naive to think that most people these days can find good jobs in their fields in a relatively civilized and wholesome place. We drive constantly on weekends and holidays to reach relatively friendlier, safer, more trusting, and simply English-speaking folks.
We shouldn’t have to drive to find enough people who speak our language and share our way of life, mores, sense of humor, social expectations about respect and quiet and order, but we do. So do millions of other Americans, and it’s especially worthwhile to make those drives when you are raising children.
Simply the crystallization of not being a naive schmuck and being familiar with both (1)human beings and (2) Chinese people (my wife’s family is part Chinese, and we have our kids learning Mandarin on my initiative, but yes I am just an ignorant bigoted redneck who doesn’t know Chinese culture, and my apprehension about Chinese designs on Russian land is just a product of that bigotry, you got me 😉
Strange fantasies unsupported by actual evidence entailing illogical behavior of practical people obsessed, for better or worse, with urbanization remain such, yes. Its all rather confused, to be honest, as much as my wife being white gives me awareness of the “white people culture” and therefore allows me to declare that “white people culture” will have them do this or that….
…but your beliefs give you any solace, then I am glad it has functioned well for you.
I think that most modern women (and men) are just not into having more than 2 kids (and this is a rather high upper limit).
It doesn’t have much to do with race. East Asians are even more into it (they’re just not letting aliens into their countries). Africans & Mestizos are fertile because they’re primitive (those who are not are not much different from other races- Condoleeza Rice etc.).
Taken as a group, secular whites & east Asians tend to be childless, while Africans, various Muslims & Mestizos are fertile, because they have less brains (so to speak).
The future belongs to…whom?
My guess is that advanced races will get cyborgized in not so distant future & just let less advanced to die off…. All religions will be extinct in 100-150 years.
This is the way to do it. Congratulations to you and the misses for making the sacrifices necessary. As a father of four kids, I can totally empathize with budget restraints, not having one’s dream house (or even down-sizing), etc. There is a reason why God has emphasized “honor your parents” as a cardinal moral imperative.
May God grant you guys a healthy and happy fourth child.
Peace.
Where did that come from, Danny Boy? For a Chinese lad, you are obviously aren’t that smart, now are you? I was simply referring to the paucity of land available to settle the additional population, just as India would be facing the same issue. Check your innate insecurity vis a vis India and Indians, for the heavy hammer is coming from the US and it’s there your plethora of energy ought to be devoted. Spitting in the wind will turn you into a stained spittoon!
Agreed here – cousin marriage above a 10-15% ratio is not desirable in any situation. The Caliph Umar (ra) warned people about bad breeding habits and encouraged them to marry even outside their tribe if certain deleterious traits started showing.
Peace.
Paucity of land, yes, yes.
http://www.china-food-security.org/images/maps/pop/pop_1_h.jpg
Duke? Of Chin… more like a ching, chong, chang of chin chin. If you like Russian girls then by all means, go after them assuming they are hard up for wannabe white chinaman. What does your yellow belly mommy put into everything? Salty soy sauce? Shameless punk!
Equalmente, Sadiq.
There have been plenty of times in my life when I’ve been too selfish, even sometimes today. And I wouldn’t want to move towards an excessively anti-individualistic society like, say, China.
But I’m disheartened, disgusted even, by my fellow Americans, my fellow supposed Christians, in their absolute celebration of selfishness.
At the cost of their own family’s propagation. Never to hear a voice that reminds you of your mother, never to see a smile that harkens back to your father, never to sacrifice in return for the sacrifices that your ancestors and parents made to bring your life into being and preserve your society, not caring much what happens to one’s fellow man when you’re gone, never to feel those little arms wrapped around your neck that represent hope and the noblest responsibility one can have — literally a fresh start from God, but carrying on your family’s genes, name, and moral values. What kind of liberated life is that.
This is the biggest practical reason why your folks currently stand to inherit much of the West: your normalcy and dedication in this regard, combined with all the laziness, shortsightedness, and selfabsorption of the nonMuslim white people for whom some commenters are making excuses above.
We have nonwhite Muslims doing the hard work of raising children, while white nonMuslims excel at explaining why they couldn’t.
A comparison to India:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DqBo1_HQpqA/ViPCSsPEEFI/AAAAAAAAptM/FgOFriZwpEE/s1600/India.jpg
Honey, come and look from behind the curtains, do the new neighbors look like Han to you?
You do sound like a fag tbf
You still don’t have a clue as to what I am talking about, do you? It’s a huge problem when a non-native speaker of Indo-European language, albeit educated in the English speaking world, attempts to fathom basic clues… India has huuuge problems and it’s understood by all; you on the other hand are hoping to replace the current hegemon, therefore the focus would be on not MOI but TOI. Now, I hope we’ll conclude this bit of silly game…
I don’t love ‘em, either, man, but you are going to have serious egg on your face.
Even today it’s rather embarrassing for an American in the bankrupt, balkanizing, fat-ass, underemployed, sexually perverse and unmanly, widely addicted USA to lecture the Chinese about many things.
Plus, your grandkids may have a harder time in business, real estate, medicine, etc., in the future if they have no knowledge of the National language of the utterly dominant economic and cultural power of the world. You know, the language of those inferior Ching Chong Chings. My kids will be fluent in Mandarin, and if they’re in a good mood they’ll hire one of your superior and condescending progeny.
Evidently, a touchy nerve was hit.
I’m not disagreeing with you. Material concerns are not serious this day in age. I’m surrounded by totally broke proles who have no problems having and raising children–often completely unplanned. The ones that manage to stay together seem to have happy, healthy families. The kids in many ways live better lives than yours, since they can run and play outside completely unsupervised.
But homeostasis and social class are what they are. I’d live in a two bedroom apartment…if I had to. And I wouldn’t tell anyone about it. Or let anyone into my home. After some time I’d probably get used to it and get over myself.
Thus while it’s not the primary cause, increasing economic/status anxiety for most modern populations in the past generation surely has a depressive effect on birth and marriage rates.
While it’s our first priority to address the primary cause, no sense ignoring secondary problems either. Especially because we want to bring home the bacon to our constituents.
Rosie’s gonna lose her right to vote and her driver’s license, but her (alleged) husband will bring home a bigger paycheck.
The USA is closer to collapsing into hyperinflation, mass poverty, and mass violence along racial lines, than it is to mass access to cyborg or whatever technology.
Let’s try Europe next. Their streets are becoming physically dangerous, their people fearful (when not engaged in conspicuous denial of reality), and their economies and governments are straining increasingly under the hordes of nonEuropeans drawing benefits without paying in. The white euro populations, including the uk and Scandinavia, are declining steadily and set to plummet faster soon as the childbearing age cohort shrinks dramatically. They will have trouble even defending themselves from physical violence day to day, forget about funding the mass distribution of sci-fi technology.
You mention advanced races as if they are living safely apart from other races and cultures. This is patently untrue and becoming more so each year. Will a teeming nonwhite majority sit back and let the aged white minority of USA or Germany or France or Italy escape to another planet, or become cyborgs etc. while leaving them to starve and suffocate in the pollution? Don’t think so.
I’m not hoping to do anything but figure out how the brain-machine interface can work.
As for China, pretty sure that she just wants to be a regional power in her sphere of influence. Hegemony is a game for people with money to waste policing the world and bombing camels into glass with multi-million homing missiles.
Rosie’s probably thinking of the average woman college professor instructor or administrator of some piled higher and deeper department.
They, especially the lesbians go out of their way to look as gawd awful as possible.
I’m plaintiff in a long drawn out civil case. Respondent is just trying to drag it out as long as possible as usual. You should see opposing counsel.
She’s mid fifties. Medium weight I guess. Thick dyed black hair to her waist just hanging there. Shabby pilled shapeless should be thrown away socks under shabby men’s sandals.
Baggy wrinkled pants. sweatshirt. And one of those mid thigh length sweater coat things over all. She’s married, grown kids not a lesbian. I don’t know if she looks better for court but she probably never goes to court.
College students follow the fashions of the women professors, gawd awful. But being so young, their natural youth and beauty overcomes the horrible clothes.
White people have become expert at explaining why things simply can’t be done.
James Thompson has a nice little piece up systematically showing how effort, willpower, and human agency are utterly futile and useless when it comes to intelligence – while every Jew, every Asian, knows the opposite is true.
People say the white political elites betrayed you – but white intellectuals, the thought leaders, betrayed you first. White intellectuals pour enormous effort into explaining to white people that everything is predetermined, set in stone, and nothing can be done. And then one wonders why the country is in the hands of a Jewish elite. Such a mystery, lol.
Not really! Mayonnaise or mustard or ketchup… they can ooze anything and all they want, it’s no skin of my back. Your attempt to be cool failed in its first inning… come back after the varsity boot camp!
Now that last bit is funny about the camels but the jockeys aren’t too happy, I suppose
Yet more offerings still needed.
Most of the private schools in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley teach mandarin So do some public schools. Because those schools are so loaded with Chinese kids hopefully the Whites can get some native speaker practice.
But knowing how chauvinistic Chinese are, I doubt any Chinese will hire a White who speaks some high school Mandarin instead of another Chinese.
4th generation Chinese Americans who can’t speak or read a word of any Chinese language don’t hire non Chinese. Why should a recent immigrant hire a White because they know high school Mandarin.?
Becoming even low level fluent and able to read and understand without a struggle is difficult for some one who just took an easy European language in high school.
Who cares. We Are All Doomed
DQNs always double down.
I have no qualms with the rise of China, peaceful or otherwise. But simply because the West is facing some new problems is no reason to discount its continued success and domination of the world in the foreseeable future. And if you and yours benefit from the knowledge of Mandarin then more power to you.
Very catchy one liners… did you go to the school to learn it or is it part of the DNA?
This gift is a result of long prayers at the shrine of my guardian spirit.
If I’d raised my kids in Los Angeles I wouldn’t let them take the bus either. Maybe the separate Culver City system just in Culver City, but LA metro no.
On the other hand, even girls walking in groups are subject to advances by creepy adult men, even if school to home is only 3 blocks.
May your Alla shower bleating upon you but if the Immaculate Virgin is your thing several hail Mary are in order… however you get your jollies, it isn’t working here!
It’s not? Oh, how absolutely awful. Mayhaps the Supreme Advisor may show mercy on my sinful soul filled with impure desires and guide me towards the Just Way?
On the language bit, some notion of China is fated to survive simply because its written language is completely unique and doesn’t get affected that much by the sounds coming out of people’s mouths.
Long after modern English, German, French, and Russian morph into intelligible dialects, the classics of Western literature will be preserved — in the uniformity and indivisibility of Han characters. Thusly they shall be appropriated into the corpus of “Chinese culture”
Whites aren’t selfish.
Look at all the time, money effort and love they devout to non White immigrants, Africans, animals, the environment, saving weeds and worms from human homes being built on top of their habitat. I turned in the boob tube at 6/30 this am.
Some endangered animal woman was nursing (with a bottle ) some tiny critter wrapped in a tiny blanket. She was saying that the tiny critter had not grown normally so they adjusted the formula for more nourishment and the tiny she critter was gaining 2 grams a day.
You can’t say Whites don’t care. They just care about the wrong things, everything but their own people.
The largely female dog rescue workers have run out of American dogs to rescue. Somehow they managed to get funding to go off to Asia, rescue street dogs, de worm, de flea de tick then, cure them of their diseases, feed them up
And bring them to America to be adopted by the deranged saviors.
We care. Just about the wrong things.
Whiter than you, Mohamed.
Come and try :]
https://i.imgur.com/Y1Imx6e.png
Why?
Why? Well, clearly the spirits that reside around me have nurtured a devious and fey personality and I need the guidance of the Supreme Advisor to know how I shall set my heart a-right so that I may become a proper and righteous subject of the Emperor.
There are whites who care in the caring fashion their faiths dictate and there are those who pose the question ‘Am I my brother’s keeper?’ and ignore the basic tenets of morality!
Can it be?
I think that the current foolishness of today’s whites (and to a lesser extent NE Asians) is more reflective of the fact that in the West, there is too much decadence and liberalism, and Asia is too obsessed with inhuman state-run growth.
But these are both unconscious processes, exacerbated by the chaos of industrialization. As the current system destabilizes, ultimately the sensible whites and NE Asians will prevail and reform their communities along traditional lines.
In the USA and Western Europe, the locals will find it easier to split up their territory with the immigrants, which will lead to political balkanization as you have more diverse (and probably violent) places like New York, SoCal, and other rootless urban conglomerations, while white, Christian rural areas will push for independence or de facto independence.
A similar situation could happen in Europe, assuming that the whites there don’t mobilize in time to push the ME/African immigrants out systematically. I remember seeing on Vice a piece about a “Nazi” village in Germany that was very white and, as I inferred by reading between the lines, probably a stable, healthy community. As the crisis deepens, more of these communities could be formed in conservative redoubts.
But the only truly white countries left would be the robust nation-states of Eastern Europe. Russia is already too cosmopolitan, even though its national policies are in the main rather sensible. This is why, despite all its faults, China has a strong future awaiting it in the long term. No other country has so many productive, educationally inclined, and ethnically conscious people; no other country exhibits both the callousness of centralized policy and the demographic traits of a nation. Chinese cities are polluted, but they are still Chinese cities. The vast swathes of destitute Chinese migrant workers are not SE Asian or Indian or African, but come from largely the same stock as those who attend top universities.
I have a strange fondness for birds and small woodland creatures myself.
Not too long ago, we found a female pigeon that had hurt herself flying into the glass of a building; after some futile efforts to get her into a shoebox, we decided to just lay down some birdseed and water near her and checked on her. After two days, she recovered sufficiently to begin moving, after the third, she flew off.
We also feed/water the local birds after we saw some of them died due to the intense heat. We were worried that people would mess with our buckets, but so far the sign, “For the Birds – Be Kind” for the water and food pails have been respected.
On the other hand, a gopher has come and ripped up our garden. Quite annoying. I’ve thought that it’d recover on its own, but it has instead hardened into a rock-like, infertile area that I’ve had to hoe away the dead vegetation, mixed in some better top soil, and hopefully it’ll be back to normal next year.
Unless you really enjoy Mexicans, why would you ever life in LA? Unless you have elderly parents who refuse to move, or have to work in a niche profession such as Hollywood, or are really rich (which you are not) , there seems to be no legitimate reason to stay there. Why stay crammed in your 2 bedroom apartment? Move to Utah, or even Arizona, or somewhere.
I am merely the meek recipient, You are the Supreme Advisor. If it can be done, then it can be done. If it can’t, then I shall merely spin for aeons like dervishes with faeries with tinkling laughter as companions.
IMO, the West needs a multipolar world. It has become much more pozzed since the Soviet Union collapsed. Part of that is demographics, but I think some of it isn’t.
China has its own problems. TBH though, I think they will trounce the floor with an “enriched” West. Still, better to be #2 with a competitive spirit than top of the trash heap, looking down.
You are correct, from my reading, too, so lower population is better.
People are always saying Erlich’population bomb is wrong, but they are ignorant. It keeps exploding in the arc from South Afrcia to Bangladesh, and through India.
A couple of his predictions are true already.
Many fisheries are severely depleted. Simple fact.
Indo-pakistani conflicts on water exist.
Over-population is +the problem+, sure over-consumption by elites, too.
To forget either is to have a false consciousness.
Anatoly is only having a point on the hideous treatment of Russia under Eltsin, the drunken slave of Israelis and its U.S.A. servants, disastrous population loss, and, of course, the many Jewish traitors who were worming their way up after the death (or murder) of Stalin.
Sure, Russia should have a population recovery programme, after the triple blow of the Bolshevik coup, Op. Barbarossa, and ‘shock treatment’.
Interesting that two of the three have the same source.
… and any place blocking invasion from the arc of overpopulation should be commended, Burma seems to be doing well with the so-called ‘Rohingya’, almost all Bengali Moslems.
Sure. a tiny minority of them actually were living in the place since Brit. rule, but most are illegal border crossers fron Bangladesh.
From their shithole country, trying to turn the west of Burma into a copy of it.
Do you watch out for the cats who kill every bird they can? Good you thought of water for birds. Most people don’t.
The feeding locations aren’t in good ambush sites for cats, so that’s mostly prevented. Can’t stop them all, of course, but I don’t think we’ve lost any birds specifically to strays. Food loss to raccoons, squirrels, insects, etc. are a bigger issue.
Once we had bunnies eat the seeds we left for ground feeding birds, which was bewildering. I’ve put out bunny food since, hopefully they won’t bother the birds.
Try vermiculite and sand as well . Use a pick axe to dig down 18 inches. The soil might not be recoverable. There are plants with really tough invasive roots that can eat through hard clay and concrete. Ficus and wisteria if you live in a warm winter climate. I didn’t know gophers did so much damage.
Good luck
Thanks, will try. The best workout!
The raccoons probably ate the cats. Raccoons are awful I spend about half the year in a mountain forest neighborhood infested with big raccoons that run in packs. They are really destructive.
One female had kits in the ceiling of a bedroom no longer used because the children no longer live at home.
One day they heard a crash. They found that the kits urine wet and rotted the sheet rock and the rafters.
One nasty aggressive male took up residence under a deck. When the 100 pound dog went after it the result was a $800.00 vet bill and a hysterical drive to the emergency vet at 5 am.
Animal control will do nothing The town has a strict no firing guns law. So I called animal control. They told me to call a private trapper. F em why do we pay taxes
Schmoozing around a barrel of burning cats.
Including that “white” is something other than an empty category.
You are completely right, I really can’t see why or how so many people seem oblivious to basic arithmetic. Sustainability is being ignored and the greenhouse effect deniers seem to be as numerous as ever. We are running out of almost everything, fresh water especially, and what fresh water we do have is increasingly contaminated with gender altering chemicals. Cancer rates are still increasing in every age group and that must surely be due to industrial pollution. Resource wars are already underway and the prospects seem worse with every passing year. Even if we avoid the worst, which seems rather optimistic, do we really want to have a grossly inflated population living in high-rise rabbit hutches and subsisting on processed plankton and insect food? I would rather not.
Even the 7-8 billion we already have is obviously causing sustainability issues and of course they are all going to want more and more every year anyway. It will be sad to see so many other species wiped out to make room for more and more increasingly devalued human stock but the writing has been on the wall for decades now. Paul Ehrlich wasn’t wrong, just premature, like so many people he underestimated the human ability to postpone a problem at the expense of making it worse in the long term.
Obviously, like yourself I will get flamed for saying this stuff but wtf.
If you haven’t seen it yet it is quite old but still worth watching:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O133ppiVnWY
No, I’m not. Most husbands like it that their wives can drive themselves to the gym and the grocery store. The only question is whether you will destroy White Nationalism chasing your ridiculous fantasy.
Yes, he will.
No shortage of water here in the North America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Water_and_Power_Alliance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recycling_and_Northern_Development_Canal
Agricultural exports from the US and Canada are around $200 billion, so there’s certainly no risk of food shortage here. And this is despite wasting huge amounts of productive farmland on the production of ethanol and high fructose corn syrup.
Agricultural productivity in places currently occupied by inferior populations (e.g. nearly all of Africa) could also skyrocket if these populations are replaced with productive ones. I believe that after Deng’s reforms China managed to double agricultural productivity in only five years. Imagine what bringing American agricultural know-how to Africa could do.
During the transition period the low quality populations could be fed cheap cereals, legumes, and insects in order to preserve nutrient dense meat, poultry, and seafood for useful ones.
We don’t have the choice to opt out of the population race if we want independence. Opting out simply means resigning ourselves to a Sinocentric world order.
Industrial pollution no doubt contributes to current very high cancer rates, but I suspect that sugar and industrial seed oils are the main culprits.
It’s the darnedest thing. These men think women never had to survive on our own. Apparently, the Japanese are fudging the medical school admissions tests to keep women out. Anglin says this is because women, though good at test-taking, can’t possibly be any good at practicing medicine. I call this MGtard creationism. As if nature would have had no preference whatsoever for women who could think scientifically about how to prevent and treat human ailments! You see, nature somehow honed us to be able to keep children alive, but absolutely nothing else whatsoever.
https://dailystormer.name/lol-japs-caught-tampering-with-test-results-to-keep-women-out-of-medical-school/
Why are so many Indians that comment at Unz such stupid pieces of shit? Talha maybe Mohammedan scum, but at least he doesn’t act like a huffy five year old at the first opportunity. Come on, when you are being shown up by a damn Paki behavior wise, you know you’ve hit rock bottom. At least when Pigfinnson does his schtick everyone laughs and neither he himself nor the rest of us take it too seriously. The thin skinned nostril flaring school yard level of insults that the Indians who’ve responded to me immediately resort to is really just pitiful.
I agree with you. There are no material goods that are better than children.
Not me if that’s what you’re driving at. Your problem is this, Radical Center. You don’t understand that women empathize with other’ s misfortunes. Thorfinnsson actually suggested I was a former prostitute because I care about prostitutes. Only a man with a diminished capacity for empathy would even think to suggest such a thing.
Here again, you prove the very point that excluding women from politics would produce a dystopian hellscape of human misery, because to your way of thinking, misery is no problem so long as it’s someone else’s misery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8OcQ4Lio84
Some of my personal observations about lady drivers:
• Very few understand what the passing lane is for
• Atrocious parking skills
• They never move into the left lane when approaching a red light as a courtesy to motorists who might be turning right (note to Euros: turning right at a red light is legal in North America)
• None of them can drink and drive worth a damn
Besides Rosie, whatever you need to do there’s an app for that now.
What rights do you think women should have? Any at all? I am often accused by manosphere types of being a crazed feminist who equates marriage with slavery. Yet, it seems clear enough to me that it is actually the manosphere types who equate marriage with slavery, even chattel slavery.
Psychiatric ward, perhaps?
The cost of raising a family isn’t luxuries and toys.
It’s housing including utilities regular and costly periodic maintainence including new roof new furnace and property taxes.
The big appliances that lasted 30 years now have to be replaced more often because they are made that way
Then comes commuting and car expenses . Modern cars have better gas mileage but the repairs are very costly and they are complicated and full of electronics that can only be fixed by trained mechanics
Then food clothes
It’s not 1950 any more. Mortgage payments aren’t $60 a month. Phone bill isn’t $2.50 a month property taxes aren’t $200.00 a year. Gas isn’t 20 cents a gallon.
Scrimping, thrift clothes rice beans and tortillas, never going out no vacations, no internet or cable taking buses as much as possible, cutting hair at home use it up wear it out do without all those money saving tricks don’t really help in the face of massive housing and commuting costs.
Move to a rural area with cheap housing? Where are you going to work?
Move 50 miles away from your job? That’s 100 miles a day plus wear and tear in tires etc.
An ideal world would be multipolar but the Anglo-Americans aren’t going to surrender easily what they have hard won in the last century. In a phrase: Military-Industrial-Intelligence-etc complex!
Daily reminder that at one point: tobacco and alcohol was once a higher percentage of annual spending than combined housing costs.
And no, vices were not more expensive then.
And yet you deigned to post a lengthy retort to ease your uncontrollable rage after you, like a wannabe wiseguy meddled in the posts gratuitously… that is the sign of a real schmatta. Now go sell the shit elsewhere!
This is a distortion.
The median house price in America is $200,000. Assuming a 4% down payment (available for most prime borrowers) and a 30-year fixed mortgage at 4.7% that works out to a monthly mortgage payment of $995.
AARP estimates that the other costs of home ownership (property taxes, insurance, maintenance, etc.) average 3% of the value of the house. That’s $6,000 or $500 per month.
This works out to $1,495 in home ownership costs for the median house in America. And today’s median single-family home size is 2,380 square feet compared to 900 square feet in the 1950s.
You can reduce your housing costs as well. You don’t actually need 2,380 square feet, granite countertops, and stainless steel appliances. Get a steel roof and never worry about it again.
CERTAIN housing markets are very expensive (Socal, Norcal, Seattle, NYC, DC, Miami), but there’s no shortage of jobs in Texas.
Top-quality big appliances appliances are available for $1,000 each. Read Consumer Reports and you won’t get a lemon. Looking at dishwashers for instance I see that Bosch and Whirlpool dishwashers almost never break in the first five years of ownership (survey doesn’t go past five years). But Samsungs almost always do. Good on Trump for slapping tariffs on these shifty Koreans ripping us off with their janky dishwashers.
Modern car repairs might be costly, but they’re also very infrequent. NBD. When was the last time you heard of a modern car “throwing a rod” or “blowing a gasket”? If you’re a schmuck who doesn’t know shit about cars you can lease and let the dealership worry about maintenance.
Food and clothes? Rounding error compared to the past.
It’s true that economic policy has given the common man the short end of the stick for many decades, but a lot of problems are just caused by unthinking lifestyle inflation.
As for rural areas, North Dakota and New Hampshire have 2.6% unemployment rates. Iowa and Wisconsin 2.8%.
I’ve read in many places that the relative contributions of game hunting done by men versus gathering done by women have also been studied in humans. It turns out unsurprisingly that the tribe needs both to survive, not just during lean times.
Hah. WTF kind of traditional society produces backwater minority Fields medalists?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucher_Birkar
More pissing off the Israelis?
But naturally he’s being used as a poster-boy refugee.
Wouldn’t be surprising.
I think some recent studies on Amazonian tribes found that they were always teetering on the edge of malnutrition, so any and all help was necessary. The same observations were found on North American natives; I think its hard to overestimate the importance to agriculture to all of human society.
Have you heard of “insulting the meat?” Its an interesting African custom, and arguably a reason why there is a lot more sexual equality in traditional African societies.
As Dr. Peter Frost wrote about, intense sexual roles are actually a feature of more advanced societies, once close, complex cooperation was required – basically seems like men refuse to work with women except in the superior role. When actually working together is largely unnecessary, its fairly egalitarian and the sexes self-isolate beyond providing food in general, etc.
That is an artificially low average brought down by houses in neighborhoods that are not habitable for White people.
Because of restrictive covenants, there are no small houses in desireable neighborhoods.
People who can’t afford a 2,380 square foot house aren’t wanted.
Even kids go hunting while parents are out.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C2nvaI5fhMs
What’s funny about this discussion on having or not having kids is that I have never once in my life ever had this as a discussion face to face with anyone. I rarely, if ever, discuss my private life with anyone who is not family or a close friend I’ve known for decades. Questioning someone’s private life choices, other than they having an obvious problem like drugs or alcohol, is just simply not a part of “polite” conversation. I have never experienced another person questioning my private life choices in a causal conversation, and I doubt I ever well.
Seriously. Can you imagine having this kind of discussion sitting next to someone on a flight? or perhaps while working out in the gym? I can’t.
I guess this is what we have the internet for.
Your experience is a function of your choices.
Its not really that uncommon with religious people, actually.
It’s a median, not an average. And focusing on only the downside ignores the upside like $20 million condos at One 57 and $50 million beachfront homes in Malibu.
Huge swathes of the country have very few non-whites still, or at least very few blacks. Hispanics and Asians don’t destroy property values like blacks do.
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Libertyville-IL-60048/fsba,fsbo,new,cmsn_lt/mmm_pt/house_type/84311_rid/pricea_sort/42.398234,-87.713299,42.176253,-88.205624_rect/11_zm/
Houses for sale in Libertyville, Illinois. A middle to upper middle class mostly white community in Illinois’ prosperous Cook County, one hour to downtown Chicago by train. The sort of place most white people would be happy to raise a family in.
Right off the bat I see 936 square foot house for $205,000. Then a 1,651 square foot house for $218,900.
So you’re saying that religious people that you know actually do pry into other people’s personal life. Yet they consider themselves more polite and civilized than people like myself.
Simply astounding….
That depends if you think if civilization is synonymous with atomization.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2838/9348881200_51ec9d3094_z.jpg
That house was built in 1929. That means lots of maintenance costs. All in all, it’s probably not affordable on one salary, so you have to pay childcare.
$328 per week for an infant at a local church daycare:
http://buildingblockschildhoodcenter.org/?page_id=901
Seriously, you don’t consider it rude to question someone’s private life choices (unless of course they are destitute or show other sign of a serious problem such as drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc.)?
It might be rude.
But it also maximizes biological fitness.
Healthy communities create cultural structures which encourage marriage, pregnancy, and childcare.
And really, how is it more rude to criticize someone for being single than to criticize someone for being drunk?
When people say secularism is compatible with morality, this is what they mean. They mean morality in the bare minimum sense of not being a parasite or a burden. Secular “morality,” such as it is, doesn’t contemplate any sense of duty to the larger collective of which one is a part.
I would like to point out the whole reason women entered the work force en masse during the 1970s and onward was to sustain a gradually slipping middle-class standard of living. If men made good wages and had access to affordable housing, transportation, health care, and education, a lot more women would have stayed home to raise kids, and they would be open to having more kids.
Your average woman is not happy about having and raising kids while working a full-time job, because it’s an insane amount of emotional pressure and labor. Many are very emotionally conflicted about this because they feel like they are neglecting their children if they work full-time. But if they quit their job, they know their family’s finances will suffer.
Men have to make more money, but they need a labor market that will cough up. Our entire capitalist elite has been doing everything it can to keep wages down for the last 40 years. This is a well-known fact, and to ignore its impact on family formation is poor-quality analysis.
Let me highlight:
Well, Twinkie, you just leave me with a lot of questions. But I think I’m done with the topic so I’ll move on.
Abelard is freaking out that he might actually soon find himself in a society that will take an interest in his personal life and exert pressure on him to conform, lol.
You have to keep in mind that desegregation was just a generation old. Before deseg, you could live in a Whites-only, protected working-class neighborhood. Without that option, blacks could, and did, move into any affordable communities. Whites didn’t want to invest in such communities for obvious reasons. The solution: send Mom to work so the family could afford a house in a White neighborhood that blacks couldn’t afford.
Screw society – you don’t even need to go that far. Your uncles and aunts and grandparents will keep hounding you about when you are planning to get married, why don’t you have a respectable job yet, why you should stay away from Sally Rottencrotch, why don’t you marry that nice available store clerk Lucy Happyface, etc.
It doesn’t need to go beyond extended family – they usually get things done.
Peace.
Very delusional of you to think your mongrel kids will rise to such positions of authority under the Han Hegemony.
Where do you live? Appalachia?
In California today, Apple became the world’s first trillion dollar corporation. Amazon, also in the Left Coast, is due to join that exclusive club very soon. Tesla and Space X, both in California, continue to disrupt the world of technology in a very positive way. Google and Microsoft (again, in the West Coast Blue States) remain dominant etc etc
The alt-right seems to be filled with whiny, doom and gloom, asian fetishits like you and Derbyshire, who would rather see America lose to racially homogeneous foreign nations than succeed as a racially diverse nation.
This is part of the story, especially for the working class, but there was also a major shift in cultural attitudes.
By the 1970s middle class and higher women commonly aspired to higher education (and not for the MRS degree) and careers.
Steve Sailer for instance likes to note that he got an MBA from UCLA in 1982, and his class was about half female. Most of the female grads went onto corporate careers. Southern California had far fewer issues with black dysfunction than Midwestern and Northeastern cities as well.
In fact, the cultural shift appears to have happened earlier than we realized.
Take a look at this chart:
http://faculty.fortlewis.edu/walker_d/econ_390_-_labor_force_participation_data_files/image006.gif
Female labor force participation was already increasing before the 1950s started. US TFR incidentally peaked in 1959 at 3.9.
Did the war cause the shift in attitudes?
White men who marry Asian women are pathetic. Most people think this when they see such couples.
Koran is fictional text written in 7th century, by Muhammad. Written in ancestral language of Arabia.
If you tell me that it is inspiration and brilliant text, then I will be interested. Probably there is wisdom there.
If you tell me that it is factual document, then it is same as someone saying Lion King film is a documentary about lions, or that Harry Potter is historical text about wizards, or that you cannot solve a quadratic equation. In order words that you are child or have some mental impairment.
You a man, not a child. So you know that it is fiction. Even if you don’t admit it, you know it and your dreams know it.
More subtle point is that fairy tales and stories can be more profound and interesting than factual texts. They have some truth not on this world, but on another dimension.
There’s some things in Anna Karenina, that you cannot find in any factual texts. Genius of the author, has provided some very profound and creepy knowledge like what feels to die, being run over by a train, without actually having to die.
You are man, same as any other – not a sheep or cattle. God or gods has born you as a man, with his own mind, for a reason -so that you can stand for yourself as unique people you are, who will never exist again in history. You are not collective or herd.
No I haven’t read this text of course (I cannot read this language).
I’m sure there are a lot of wise writers in Islamic tradition. A large proportion of world population for last millennium has born in Islamic countries, so there must be large numbers of intelligent or wise men writing texts in this time, within the Islamic tradition.
Well, it’s good if Pakistanis (or their descendants) can create their own traditions. Any brief reading of summary of the history – can see it’s a unique history and peoples. Trying only to subsume and centralize under a foreign culture is dishonour to your ancestors.
No I am not “atheist”. I do not prejudice any view, about world we (humans) have very little comprehension about.
My advice is not to swallow other people’s dogmas – which from a real religious view, would be extremely disrespectful to the fact you were lucky enough to born a man, with your own faculties, which are not less than anyone else (whether 7th century AD Saudi Arabian, or 5th century BC Punjabi).
By way, Pakistanis have a very impressive ancestry, considering they are from Indus Valley Civilisation, which was living in a civilized way when Europe was in caves. Historical reversal of fortune – something unfortunate .
But all idealization of your homecountry’s differences, but while enjoying the modernized country you live.
America is the richest country in the world, while Pakistan has same GDP as Louisiana (with 4 million people), but shared among 200 million people
It sounds like we are talking just “data”. But it’s real people’s lives. Average people in Pakistan does not have a fraction of your opportunity.
The idealization is only possible with distance. Actual Pakistanis do not talk like this, or would accepted for granted the “modernized” lifestyle – which is actually one of the greatest human blessing.
Also not accepting blessing of country you live in – this also seems quite unreligious (ungrateful) attitude.
There’s nothing close to equivalent music and profundity, to Beethoven – from Oman.
It’s not a competition. Even in Russia (where there was huge investment and hardwork into music), there is no Beethoven.
Ruler of Oman shows actually spiritual attitude, but what Oman needs to do now is create its own cultural synthesis with this ingredient, that can provide for soul of Omani people.
No, it needs to develop its own higher culture, which is possible when a culture development more opportunities, talented people, and inspirations (often from abroad). Do you think Tolstoy was “LARPing Euro-culture”?
Conventional religion is actually not very seriously believed in Russia, despite some claims on websites like this. It does not say anything about spiritual of the people.
I don’t think in Urdu there is such culture richness as in Russian. But – here – perhaps I am ignorant philistine. Perhaps there are great writers in Urdu. It would cool if there were – it would be very interesting and exotic perspective for me.
In latter case, then, there would be very bad promotion of Urdu culture abroad. And this partly your responsibility as Urdu speaking people living in the West.
Yes the successful modernization, needs a balance of keeping native tradition and localization and synthesis of innovations from abroad.
Japan’s Meiji Restoration was the most impressive achievement of this.
Succeeding as a racially diverse nation is simply not possible. It inevitably devolves into an ethnic spoils system where public interests of the whole are a distant second place to parochial community interests. Tragedy of the commons and all that. This can be overcome by a strong monoculture and rapid population admixture, but the problem with America and the West at large is that long term sub replacement native fertility coupled with high immigrant fecundity means blacks and mestizo peasants (arab and African muslims for Europe) are going to make up a significant proportion of future population ancestry. Good luck fighting the Chinese for global supremacy with Jose, Mohammed and LaShawn as your future shock troops.
I wouldn’t be surprised, but that still doesn’t tell the whole story. Cultural attitudes are one thing. Actually dropping off your infant for someone else to take care of for most of the day is another matter entirely. I suspect many more new mothers would tune in, turn on and drop out if they were able to do so.
California voted Republican in every Presidential election from 1948 – 1988 other than LBJ’s 1964 landslide. The state owes its early economic development to agriculture, oil & gas, the Navy, and the Air Force. Silicon Valley itself is a creature of the Department of Defense.
How…”progressive”.
Google and Microsoft are rapacious monopolies deeply integrated with the Dweeb State and not anything that should be held up as a model. Microsoft in particular might as well be a criminal enterprise.
Apple produces overpriced luxury goods for fags and then traps said fags in its “ecosystem”.
Tesla just announced yet another record loss and is about to run out of cash (news of which sent the stock soaring of course). I’ll grant you Space X.
This is not a model to aspire to. The country was a lot healthier when the largest corporations were General Motors, Exxon, United States Steel, and General Electric.
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500_archive/full/1955/
Evaluating corporations by market capitalization is also misleading. By revenue the three largest corporations in America are Walmart, Exxon Mobil, and Berkshire Hathaway.
We want the American nation to succeed. Which means putting interlopers like you back in your place.
I question how true this is, though obviously the number is higher than zero. The girls who work for me seem to genuinely like their jobs, though they all bitch about daycare. Living here is pretty low stress though (no commuting or diversity, extremely low cost of living), so I suppose it’s not a typical experience.
There is a whiff of desperation, of strain, in this.
Atheists are beginning to freak out!
This is a good thing.
^ Fuck we need a longer time limit on this website, in order to edit such long comments for grammar.
None which would hire you. To your credit, not being hired by Amazon actually shows that I actually think that you’re not evil enough to exist there.
BTW, this is not an “alt-right” blog. Its a Russian blog, if the large number of Russian commentators(including a Russian Jew regular) wasn’t a huge tip off for such.
Who is “atheist” here?
Although I am not your PhD adviser, remember I was speaking to you before about using too many simple labels.
The first stage to moving away from atheism is to start saying it is an ambiguous term that is too simple to capture the nuance of your position.
I’ve passed through that stage. So kudos to you. You are on the Path.
We’re waiting for you to arrive, then we can sit down and have a coffee together.
And maltzo soup?
Greasy may yet try to save his soul.
Lol, that’s actually good stuff – the one Jewish food that’s good.
People tend to make the best of situations that can’t be helped. I would really like to see some data on this.
What is there to freak out about? As I said previously, I have never experienced this rude of conversation in face to face conversations with people, and honestly do not ever expect to experience such in the future.
My posting was nothing more than an expression of astonishment of the acceptableness of rudeness on various internet forums such as here.
Suppose I start my own religion. Does that count as not being an “atheist”?
But you will, my friend, you will. And you are freaking out about it.
Yes; its something that Russians tend to be much more aware of. Feminism basically was coop’ed completely by capitalism to create the two-income trap, and it essentially served to drive prices up even further. The stagnant actual wage being masked through steady living standard by female employment, increasing overtime, and spiraling debt is one of the great stories of post-1940s US.
This is also why Russians, who never bought into capitalism whole hog, tend to be much less addicted to work as identity and its also one of the reasons why feminism has not been as toxic(or effective) there.
Do I get to define words and reality now?
Oh boy, this could be fun.
Where do you live? Appalachia?
Tu quoque, Bliss.
If you are going to talk the talk then you need to walk the walk.
And so soon after The German.
At least you had the self-respect to acknowledge your prejudice in that comment which puts you into a select group.
Atheists are beginning to freak out!
Nothing that another glass of merlot can’t handle.
If I believed that, I would not be Muslim. I thank you for your opinions on why you aren’t Muslim though.
If I didn’t believe what I do with full personal conviction, I wouldn’t be a Muslim. You cannot do taqleed (following authority; like your parents, imam, etc.) with respect to creedal matters like you can with juridical matters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N_C_cPC7jM
I can attribute your beliefs to also what is quite popular in the zeitgeist. Being an agnostic today is “ho hum” – being one in 1640’s Ireland, now that was something. Do you not think you are a product of your times?
I agree. This is one of the reasons I am against globo-mono-culture. Taking on Islam doesn’t mean becoming an Arab except in the minds of certain Salafi-Wahhabi strains and the critics of Islam. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting with some of the top scholars from around the Muslim world when they visit the Chicago-land area to give talks and the Yemenis, Syrians, Pakistanis are quite comfortable in their own skin and distinct modes of dress.
Everyone has their day under the sun – look at the Greeks.
No, the modernized lifestyle is anti-human. Safety, abundance of resources, advances in technology and medicine is a blessing. The greatest blessing is salvation in the next life because this life is terminal.
I’m quite grateful for the many blessings I enjoy in the US – my spiritual teachers have pointed out that we live with more blessings than the sultans of the past. Blessings are tests (time, health, wealth, intellect) that we will be asked about. How will one use them – that is the question.
A person finds himself in a place with abundance of food and gorges himself to an early heart attack and grave – this was misuse of a blessing. This is what I see happening today – misuse of blessings; it is not blameworthy to warn people about such for their own good because one cares for their well being – just as one would encourage a friend to quit smoking. The friend may tell you to piss off and mind your own business, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t have his interest in mind.
Your opinion is noted.
And that’s fine – I see no reason why religion can’t go hand in hand with higher culture as it did in the past. Religion and spirituality were necessary ingredients to high culture. I simply don’t see much high culture being produced where they are absent.
Don’t know enough about the man to make a statement.
Some people like generic spirituality and that’s fine for them – religion helps stop the poz – vacuous spirituality is often its ally.
Urdu is a beautiful and poetic language – very spiritual. Much of it is derived from Persian. I am obviously biased towards it – Urdu poetry hits me like little else.
Valid point.
Agreed. And when you deal with Muslim societies, religion is an integral part of “native tradition”. We have seen what happens to other societies that try to divorce religion from native tradition/culture and the results do not impress us.
Peace.
Must explain the double insurance rates for girls over boys.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/07/30/man-changes-gender-car-insurance/
Hang tough 804, come the Revolution it’s going to be gravy for all.
Divorce rate in Russia is pretty comparable to America.
In Soviet times abortion was the primary method of family planning.
Female labor force participation rates in the Soviet Union probably reached “modern” levels in the 1930s and never changed. It was permissible to be a housewife only if you had children under the age of 18. Otherwise not having a job was a crime against the state.
Hardly sounds like Rosie’s paradise.
They just didn’t go-in for Third Wave bra burning feminism.
A world on spiraling debt–you can’t look at debt levels without also looking at asset levels.
The creation of the 30 year mortgage market caused debt to “spiral”, but also doubled home ownership levels. Without General Motors’ invention of automobile loans, mass car ownership would not have been possible. The consumer credit programs pioneered by Sears Roebuck & Company allowed many families for the first time to purchase labor-saving appliances.
https://twitter.com/ritholtz/status/1023962600932106241
More malicious trends in debt–student debt and modern usury (credit card debt, payday loans) are much more recent developments.
There’s optimal population – but depending on territory, economy, historical era, and some subjective views as well.
A country with stable relations with neighbours (let’s say Ireland of 2018), does not need to worry about young men dying in combat. (Even places with unstable relations – like Gaza in 2018, actually only has a tiny percentage of young men dying in combat).
Too high birthrates, can also have historically some devastating impact on countries. There’s perhaps slight idiotic view of Jung – that underlying cause of first and second world war, was a desire of nature to burn off excess numbers of young men.
Fertility rate in Germany in 1920 years was actually not that high (it was 4 children per woman before First World War, and 3.5 children per women in 1920s), and rapidly fell in 1930s.
But in Japan it was very high (over 5 children per woman until Second World War). So Jung viewpoint can be consistent with suicidal behaviour of Japan in that era.
Now in Ireland, there is very stable population (minus immigration), and it is one of the best countries in the world to live.
I don’t think diaspora population is always good for the world (ideally limit of a few hundred thousand people, from each country).
Diaspora people become annoying and destablizing in many cases, including for their own psychological reasons of alienation from both their homecountry and their adopted country.
Women simply drive less. They have more accidents per mile driven.
https://www.trafficsafetystore.com/blog/who-causes-accidents/
A fair number of male accidents also come from cool risk-taking like outlaw street racing or getting obliterated and then getting behind the wheel.
Female traffic accidents on the other hand stem from sheer incompetence.
Hahahahaaa! Where? Where were you? Who were these people? I don’t believe it.
Lol at the stupidity and the racial megalomania.
Whites and Northeast Asians aren’t going anywhere. Together they are around 40% of the world’s population and probably own around 90% of the world’s wealth (rough estimates). It is utterly idiotic of you guys to think that two major races of mankind will disappear based on current fertility rates. As if these rates are now set in stone even though they never were before.
Secondly, don’t flatter yourself. You are late to the civilization game. The earliest civilizations weren’t created by whites or northeast Asians. The civilized world got along fine without you then, it will get along fine without (as if you care).
Women simply drive less.
So stopping and asking for directions actually works.
Two of the four primary civilizations of the Old World were in fact created by whites and Northeast Asians.
Egypt (founded by Russians) and China (founded by Daniel Chieh).
Did the war cause the shift in attitudes?
It certainly empowered Rosie:
https://www.democraticstuff.com/Shared/images/product/Rosie/LP15399-2.jpg
Actually, I found God in a glass of merlot. Many glasses of merlot, that is.
I feel like you might really be a Leftist, Talha.
I’m toying with this idea that Leftists might be easier ground for conversion to traditional religion than Rightists – in the sense that it’s easier to convert from one religion to another, like the Pagans to Christians, than from pragmatic materialism to religion.
Dmitry, our resident liberal, is already edging towards religion and is feeling a healthy defensiveness at being called an atheist.
Or am I just spouting my usual crazy nonsense?
No you don’t. You just want to get stinky rich, by hook or by crook, even if it hurts the American nation. Why else would you wish for the failure of the greatest living American entrepreneur, Elon Musk?
Why would someone who wants America to succeed be jealous of the success of its world beating corporations? In that same post you wrote:
B, you are going to have to get over this obsession with Thor. He’s not going to fall for you.
Because unlike you, I’m not an idiot. If I see a profitable market opportunity, I capitalize on it. You on the other hand probably don’t even have a brokerage account. I wouldn’t be surprised if you didn’t even have a checking account and cash checks at Walmart.
I admire Musk for entering the world’s most brutally competitive industry and revolutionizing it. That took some real balls. But I’m still gonna short an obviously doomed company.
And Tesla will survive in one form or another. After Chapter 7 bankruptcy and going to zero, a major global automaker will acquire them. Maybe General Motors or Ford.
Because several of the corporations you mentioned are evil. Let’s review:
Microsoft
• Failed to develop a decent GUI until 1995, more than a decade after it was already done by Apple and Commodore
• Single-handedly held back the development of the internet by about five years with its dogshit Internet Explorer products
• Embrace, extend, and extinguish
• Wrecked Skype
• Destroyed Nokia
• Demented hatred of the Start Menu beginning with Windows 8
• Bribed hardware makers to make it impossible to run pre-10 variants of Windows on new silicon
• Incredibly irritating “upgrade” offers for Windows 10 plagued Windows 7 & 8 users for two years
• Criminal Windows 10 product which spies on you
• Rolls out malware that breaks applications as “updates”–no way to disable these updates unless you can snag an Enterprise LTSB license
• Attempting to copy Apple & Google with its new Store, clearly intended to eliminate the possibility of people controlling their own software
• New EULA gives them the right to delete YOUR data from YOUR hard drive
The only kind thing I can say about them is that Steve Ballmer was funny.
https://stallman.org/microsoft.html
Google
• Censors dissidents
• Refuses to accept ads for firearms
• Spies on everyone
• Google Play Store takes away user freedom, has already been abused to censor Gab.ai
• Seized control of Android
• Arbitrarily deletes Gmail accounts without explanation
• The whole James Damore fiasco
https://stallman.org/google.html
Apple
• Produces homo-sexual products
• Completely unreasonable 32% margin (more than double Porsche) ripping off consumers
• Invented the “ecosystem”, imprisoning its customers
• Responsible for the death of Blackberry and thus the end of completely superior tactile keyboard experience
• Constantly inventing unnecessary proprietary file formats like AALC and MOV
https://stallman.org/apple.html
Let’s not downplay his accomplishments, Bliss: he’s the greatest African entrepreneur of all time. But, though he spent his formative years there, he got the hell out of it – which is truly living the African dream.
Steve Jobs should have been arrested, for taking a three-button mouse he saw at Xerox PARC and turning it into a one-button mouse.
Of course you are an idiot. Anyone who bets against Musk is an idiot. Lots of idiots lost their bets today:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/02/tesla-shorts-lose-more-than-1-billion-on-post-earnings-surge.html
Investors betting against Tesla lost more than $1 billion Thursday as the company’s shares rallied the most in over four years.
Tesla chief executive Elon Musk has actively criticized and trolled investors short his company’s stock this year. Most recently, the CEO bashed Greenlight Capital’s David Einhorn’s bet against his company after the hedge fund manager said the firm’s bet against Tesla “was our second biggest loser” in the most recent quarter.
Musk took to Twitter, retorting that he would send Einhorn “a box of short shorts to comfort him throughout this difficult time.” “Tragic,” Musk quipped.
Put your money where your mouth is. Go Long Tesla.
If you don’t have a brokerage account you can open one in a few minutes on Robinhood, which has “free” trades.
Einhorn is one of the greatest value investors of his generation by the way.
You’ll be happy to know that two of my three short positions are indeed in the red on Tesla, but these losses are unrealized since I’m directly short. No risk my short getting squeezed either since I’m mainly a value buy and hold investor.
A lot of bears are just playing the puts and thus getting hosed.
There is truth to this, Islam helps tame some of my naturally Lefty sentiments and gives validation to others; like the idea of a universal spiritual brotherhood that transcends time, geography, race and class.
They often are. I recently conversed online with a Muslim convert sister (White and middle age) – totally traditional. I asked her about her background and she said she was a total atheist with an academic background in anthropology. She couldn’t stand the nihilism.
Peace.
Bliss is actually not that bad – he sounds like a patriot of capitalism and business.
Bliss may actually be female, which makes this all much more amusing.
Musk bros meet Musk sista?
If she acts on my challenge it is likely to greatly improve her own life, even if my prophecy is correct and goes to zero.
Cruel, racist, misogynist Thugfinnsson has taken up the white man’s burden and shown a strong independent beautiful black woman who don’t need no man the path to financial freedom.
Right, this seems like an obviously Leftist idea – the real left, the old left, not the crazy stuff that’s going on today which is just anti-white racism and a revenge movement against anything which is seen as having had privilege in the past (in other words, not a movement for justice and equality, but simple revenge and an obvious bid for supremacy and tyranny of new groups).
It’s funny, I like traditional values but recently I’ve come to see them as the Leftism of their time – Islam was surely the “progressive” movement of its time in contrast to the Pagan Arabs!
You guys should get together and produce beautiful half breed children.
Excellent!!! I’ve read that the Chinese have performed over 400 million abortions in the past 30 years. I hope the number is much higher. The Chinese are worthless. The world will be better off without them.
“Islam helps tame some of my naturally Lefty sentiments and gives validation to others; like the idea of a universal spiritual brotherhood that transcends time, geography, race and class.” Islam destroys races. It destroyed the intelligent North African Caucasians by bringing in black slaves thus causing miscegenation through polygamy and concubinage. It reinforces first cousin marriage, another IQ destroyer. Pakistan is a perfect example of this biological degeneracy.
Sure, Bliss isn’t bad, except for the simple fact that she wants to drop African bombs on all of civilization, which make the old A-bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem like spit and polish.
No I do not support”atheism” ( – itself is a stupid way to place the discussion, as if possibilities limited to acceptance, ambivalence or rejection of specific Judeo-Christian cliches). We have access to world literature, and all works extant of science and philosophy – so why would we use this terminology.
Atheism can be indication of strength in many men who trapped inside those conventions, but it depends on context.
In prosaic political discussion (a much less interesting topic), we can see vastly positive effects of secularism in society, but also religion useful balancing for some era. Even a laughable system like Mormonism, could be politically useful in the United States.
In case of how the world actually is. Generally religious texts, and especially religious people, are much more primitive and backwards, and with less insight and knowledge. Religious commentary, usually very inferior to unaffiliated and rebellious writings of great philosophers. But fables themselves are a lot more interesting than commentary .
Even in Islam – Muhammad’s night journey is a cool personal mythology (as a story of his hallucination or dream world).
In Islam, also developed a mystical tradition, where you could probably find a lot of deeper texts, and in which there would be geniuses of their era writing.
But – descendants of nationalities who could write Upanishads 3000 years in past (and have one of the most developed Ancient civilizations), it’s a nationality I will gamble has future potential, maybe not this century.
Or the Portuguese brand.
Whether the Spanish and Portuguese brands were pure fascism can be debated. It can be argued that Mussolini’s fascism wan’t pure fascism either even though he invented fascism! Which actually proves that fascism was quite flexible.
There’s also something to be said for plain old-fashioned benevolent authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is not totalitarianism. In some ways it’s the opposite. In an authoritarian system as long as you obey some basic rules the government doesn’t give a damn what you say or do or think.
But fascism has the advantage that if offers more in the way of inspiration. People need to have a reason to live. Liberalism does not offer that. Libertarianism does not offer that. Free-market economics does not offer that. Conservatism Inc does not offer that. But fascism was reasonably successful in giving people something to live for.
Excellent idea! A captive population I can preach to all day. But no Indians though, just to be on the safe side.
If you are drawn to Indian spirituality you should check out the books and discourses of Sathya Sai Baba who passed away just 7 years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba
As a young man:
https://ugc.kn3.net/i/origin/http://www.saibaba.ws/images/sssb_ov.gif
Same as those who already can’t work regular jobs (the pensioners), I suppose?
http://sokrovennik.com/babushki%201600%D1%851067.jpg
Obviously no.
Well I don’t fuss over someone’s powerless fantasizing. Not letting women drive cars? Even Saudi Arabia has shattered their dreams and “cucked” on that, lol.
http://www.spletnik.ru/img/2018/05/olya/20183005-voguear-1.jpg
Jesus no–drilling for oil is one of two occasions I wrap it up. 49% of negresses aged 14-49 have herpes according to the CDC.
No doubt this song is playing in Bliss’s head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpNw7jYkbVc
To solve the problem you have to address all the causes. Offer people a moral framework, give them something worth living for, make housing affordable, provide decent wages, abolish feminism, send homosexuals back to the closet, attack the cultural degeneracy.
So far no government has attacked the problem on a broad and comprehensive front like this. That’s why so far no government has been able to achieve anything significant.
Of course it’s unlikely a “democratically” “elected” government will ever do what needs to be done.
So wait, you understand that terms like atheism and belief are not exhaustive, and are part of a special terminology that developed to deal with certain questions that arose in the context of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Indeed, what is the mysterious Nothing of Buddhism? When one experienced it, does one believe in it? Since it is beyond concepts, it would be s content-less belief. Which makes no sense.
So then, what about the terms real, literal, and truth. These terms also aren’t exhaustive and are primarily meaningful in the context of empirical science, whose domain is very specific, developing terminology useful in controlling physical objects.
So just as atheism and theism is a false binary – so is real and unreal, true and untrue, literal and fictitious.
A thing can be both real and unreal, or neither.
Why are you so bold in labelling Mormonism a fairy tale – it may be both real and unreal. It seems here you are slipping into the specific terminology of empirical science while with regard to atheism you see quite clearly that it is a technical terminology that has only relative value.
And for that matter, are fairy tales real and unreal at the same time?
You see Dmitry, the “thing in itself” cannot be perceived, so so-called literal fact is far from literal – it is actually a mere symbol, standing in for something we can’t know.
In other words, all our knowledge is symbolic. Empirical knowledge is merely symbolic of that area of our experience that deals with our physical senses.
Religious knowledge is symbolic of that area of our experience that deals with our non-physical senses – intuitions, spiritual states, and the like.
Mormonism only appears absurd to you when you take its symbol-set as applicable in the same domain as the symbol-set of empirical knowledge – but that is mixing symbol-sets and their domains of validity, a category error.
Once you realize all our knowledge is symbolic, including empirical knowledge, then you realize a scientifically proven claim is not necessarily truer than the wildest religious claim – they are both symbol-sets for different areas of experience, helping us cope with something unknown.
(I am not repeating the familiar but false idea that religion deals with psychological facts – it deals with reality as much as science. Psychological facts are mental conditions)
Wow, the Bulgarians really have such uninhibited sexuality as your folk songs suggest?
https://youtu.be/k5ua0Pq0fZg
Are you a product of the British public school system? If so, you should know.
The age structure of the population is of paramount importance. You need to maintain a proper population pyramid with low dependency ratios, otherwise the resulting financial stress and social dysfunction compounds into even greater infertility and the nation gets locked into a downward spiral. Large families improve the quality as well as the quantity of the stock.
This is a serious logical error, Doom. You only need to “address all the causes” if they are independently sufficient causes. You do not need to eliminate all necessary conditions. Eliminating necessary conditions may in fact be very harmful.
One might say, there never would have been a plague with agriculture, therefore we should abolish agriculture. Of course, that would be ridiculous.
A religion is what you make of it.
In reality, I do subscribe to a world-view that probably serves the same psychological function for me as conventional religion does for others. You could say I have a “religion” as such. So this discussion about religion vs. atheism is quite meaningless and irrelevant to me.
Highly unlikely. I don’t even know anyone personally who share your beliefs about these matters. In my work/business and private life, I simply do not come in contact with such people. The chances of such people coming into contact with my life such as to have influence over me is comparable to my chances in winning the powerball lottery. I simply don’t see any plausible scenario where this could ever happen.
I actually think its funny that anyone would butt into my personal life in such a manner. I would consider such a person to be mentally ill.
And yet, you seem terrified of the possibility that society will evolve in a direction that will make such intrusions into your private life a daily occurrence. As will happen.
Are you sure about that?
If anything, you alt-right types amuse me. Reading these threads on various alt-right blogs is quite entertaining, especially the racial epithets and bigotry. Unlike a leftist, I am not offended by such. I just find it silly.
In general, I agree with some of the issue you guys discuss in these forums. The take over of the universities and the media by political correctness. The attacks on masculinity, and other antics of the left. I just see this as the delusional silliness of the left.
I like what Trump is doing. He is only the second president in my life time (and probably since the 1920’s) that I like (Reagan was the first). Trump is actually doing a lot of Reagan-like stuff such as getting rid of government regulation and pushing tax reform. I would like to get rid of ObamaCare. But I don’t think thats going to happen the way I want it to. Well, two out of the three is not bad.
I am generally pro-free trade. However, I do think countries like China are taking too much advantage over us. Additionally, I would like to see some of the manufacturing come back to the U.S. I think Trump is doing “mostly” the right things here. Only time will tell.
On these issues, I consider myself on-board with much of the alt-right.
However, on many social and philosophical issues, such as demographics and up to rejecting classical liberalism (I am a true blue classical liberal and will never be anything else), I think you guys are just plain looney tunes! This is just bonkers! (LOL, I can’t help myself!) This is what I consider to be the comical part of the alt-right (LOL)!
No – the races are still quite distinct in the Muslim world – Somalis are separate from Yemenis from Malays from Chechens and so on. Actually Islam has a great track record of preserving even the minutiae of local ethnicities and tribes which are far more granular than race. Sure there is admixture here and there, especially in the borderlands between people. Christianity sure isn’t doing a great job of keeping races pure so I don’t get the criticism.
If they were that intelligent, what were they doing lowering their intelligence by copulating with less intelligent Black concubines and wives? Your’s is a contradictory statement.
Intelligent men just couldn’t resist “brown sugar”?
It allows it, sure. But the Copts already had this going before Islam came into the picture so blaming Islam for bringing cousin marriage to North African Caucasians is silly:
“The Holy Book of Leviticus, chapter 18, does not prohibit cousins from marrying each other, but rather other close relatives are strictly forbidden from marriage to one another. The list is addressed to men, but the mirror of that applies to women as well. These injunctions strictly confront incest. Thus, the Coptic Orthodox Church, by allowing cousins to marry, has not violated any scriptural laws or rules.”
https://www.suscopts.org/q&a/index.php?qid=1852&catid=253
Peace.
Saudi was going to catch up with the rest of the Muslim world some time…so whatever.
I have to say though, since I do graphic design work for mosques and stuff. This ad by Ford was absolutely classic – brilliant in its simplicity and covers so many bases:
https://i.imgur.com/i1Pb6bC.jpg
Peace.
Yeah. Normal people don’t think about this stuff.
The few people I’ve mentioned this stuff all called it “far-right” nuttiness. They also share the same opinion as I do about the left as well (which is equally as bad).
Massively; what do you mean our slaves are our spiritual equals, what do you mean we can’t bury our daughters, what do you mean we can’t swindle merchants that come from lower tribes, what do you mean God doesn’t care if you are Black or White or Red, only four wives WTF, etc.
Peace.
She is checking her make-up and will rear-end the car in front of her – if the pedestrians crossing the street are lucky.
Probably more to do with the camel, IMO.
Some of the comments got me thinking. I just realized that I could not be a bigot in my work. It just wouldn’t fly. The manager at one of my biggest customers (on system integration side) is a black guy. One of the best applications engineers I ever worked with, whom I buy a lot of stuff from (both system integration and OEM side) is Iranian. The chief engineer at one of my other customers is Filipino. I’ve worked with lots of Chinese engineers and well as a fair number of Hispanics, both workers and managers (a lot of line managers in manufacturing are Hispanic). I am aware of and recognize the reality of HBD. Nevertheless, there are too many good people of many different races that I have worked with for me to be any kind of bigot. There is simply no way I could be successful in my work if I were any kind of a bigot. It just wouldn’t fly.
if you recognize the reality of HBD you are a bigot.
No reason to be a racial bigot – different people have been blessed with different advantages in life (height, intelligence, strength, etc.). Treat people as they deserve; if they have earned your respect by being good at what they do, that’s great – recognize it. Uphold the notion of meritocracy in this regard.
Peace.
This is the beginning of the true religious sensibility. Seeing past the world of appearances. I applaud you.
So sayeth the Asian Christian heretic from Pakistan where the average IQ is 84.
North Africa has an average IQ of 84.
Islam does not believe in nations or races. That’s why it was easy for the Arabs to miscegenate. After time everyone is so mixed and the IQs are so low no one can recall their past.
Somalis and Yemenis are black (from light to dark skin). Malays are Asians. Chechens are Caucasians. The only reason the Malays and Chechens have retained their racial identity is because of the distance between Africa, Asia and the Caucasus.
Caucasian Christians have kept themselves racially hygenic. You are probably thinking of your white wife since she degenerated by marrying you.