Bold but not entirely trollish interpretation of the Great Awokening.
Western – White American – culture remains hegemonic around the world, even as its economic and military preponderance slips away. Assuming this cultural hegemony remains intact, cultural “innovations” that arise in the imperial metropolis inevitably seep their way into the colonies.
This is obviously correct within the Core West, e.g. Europe. It also strongly applies to Latin America. The main barriers are low English language proficiency (e.g. Hungary relative to Poland), and strong authoritarian states (e.g. China, to a lesser extent Russia).
But these “innovations”, while creating some ferment – with the effects not even uniformly negative – occur in advanced societies over a prolonged period of time, allowing them scope to come to a symbiosis with the pathogen.
Meanwhile, in countries to which the Great Awokening comes as a “complete package”, the consequences can be more dramatic and indeed terminal, as Nikolay Trubetzkoy described with respect to socialism in The Struggle Between Europe and Mankind.
16% of Gen Z in the US now identify as LGBT. So “child-free” is likely to soar to German levels over the next decades. OTOH, Western countries have had a century or more of selection for “breeders”. Amongst those who do have children, the average birth sequence is soaring ahead of Latin America, India, multiple Muslim countries. Now think about the “triple whammy” that many of these non-Western countries are going to face this century:
(1) Demographic transition – thus far, a universal phenomenon that is in happening even in Sub-Saharan Africa as a whole not notable in some regions/peoples, e.g. Kenyans, Christian Nigerians.
(2) In conjunction with well more than a century of post-Malthusian selection for breeders (France started earliest on this) that started much earlier than in the developed West.
(3) Once traditionalist barriers break down, as they always have, these Third World polities whose elites are in thrall to hegemonic Western culture will be culturally colonized to a much greater degree and more destructively so than was ever the case within the American noosphere, in which responses and adaptations to woke memes have co-evolved.
Non-nuclear smaller Powers that do offer up token resistance will be crushed by Woke Mil, which will remain functional at least so far as suppressing colonial revolts goes.
Just replace “socialist” with “woke” here:
Trubetzkoy emphasizes that socialism is just the latest expression of egocentric European pretensions to universality, rather than the road to salvation from European spiritual tyranny. As it relies on “militant cosmopolitanism” for its propagation, global socialism is only possible in the context of “universal Europeanization”. Once such a new world order is created, its champions will have to remain “armed to the teeth” to protect it – “The first order of business for the European socialist states would be to impose this system everywhere by fire and sword and then to exercise great vigilance to prevent apostasy”.
Palestinians these days are not doing so well relative to Israeli Jews, even in demographic terms. No reason the same won’t be true with respect to Anglo-Americans and Latinos half a century hence, or with respect to Europeans and Africans by 2100. Current Alt Right visions of a “rising tide of color” overwhelming white-world supremacy, of Eurabia, Reconquista, and Infinity Negroes, will be but amusing historical footnotes as the real racists – woke white Western supremacists – yet again reformat the world in their own image.
They will have near zero influence on global culture, they won't go into space or create AGI, they will furnish demographic stock for more advanced nations until they too are culturally colonized and their TFR goes to 1 in half a century. Not what I'd call adaptive.
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These people are subhuman degenerates, they could be easily wiped out if the rest of the world wanted to. The Soviets had no qualms about flattening entire villages, the Americans these days are far more squeamish about going full “sicko mode” these days. The effect of television and the internet is part of this.
Pretty funny and I do agree Woke is just the next iteration of Christian universalism (albeit without a God or a Christ but a race of devils and plenty of sin), but:
Europe and America have fewer people so the rest of the world would be decaying from a higher baseline even if demographic collapse occurs harder there.
A lot of the rise in LGBT is bisexual women, who may be gaining ‘Wokemon points’ (“me and my BFF are going out! we’re totally not straightcishets!”) but still make families with men. (Men can’t do this because straight women are much more leery of bi men due to the HIV risk.)
You’re forgetting about China. Over a billion and not particularly woke, and with plenty of their own culture and history if they want to use that for nationalistic purposes. Was it you or AE who said the one thing China doesn’t have to worry about when making engineers and programmers is having too many Asians?
Wonder if such kind inquries are done accounting survirorship bias and change of societal norms? I mean now the boomer percentage of LGBT is way smaller than 16%, but there was shitload of dead gays from AIDS before some treatments appeared, who now would be boomers if alive, not even to mention there was way more peer pressure to stay silent about such orientations then.
The link to Trubetzkoy’s essay is broken in AK’s 2009 post. Here is a working link:
http://emsu.ru/Club/KRUG/liter/trubeur.htm
Woke is not “the next iteration of Christian universalism.” Woke is another in an endless line of replacements for historic Christian identities and movements. Just like Socialism. Just like Anglo-Zionist Empire.
Karlin is again trying to sound controversial in order to bring more attention to himself, not because he realy thought about what he was talking about.
One simple point why Karlin is wrong and why i don’t expect much liberalism among non-europeans: greater inbreeding.
More inbreeding in turn results in more selfish and clannish behavior among non-europeans, as well as low levels of altruism.
https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/inbreeding-and-natl-iq/
Does this count as white people scheming to commit nonwhite genocide?
By the way, there is now a partial (& ongoing) English translation of Trubetzkoy’s Europe and Mankind:
https://sashamaps.net/docs/writings/europe-and-mankind/
The translator is Trubetzkoy’s first cousin thrice removed, Alexandr Trubetskoy, a self-described “data and geography nerd” who lives in northern Virginia. He has produced quite an interesting series of maps, here is one of Roman roads in France:
https://sashamaps.net/images/thumbs/gaul_vthick_140-2_small.png
And here is one of voting divisions in Europe:
https://sashamaps.net/images/europe-voting.png
Yes.
This essay was confusing for me. Particularly point no. 3. Not clear why the elites or upper middle class of those countries would be colonized more.
https://www.nuntiare.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/CristoRevolucionario.jpg
Sorry to disappoint…
Special interests know that by making the moral purity tests of cancel culture appear legitimate, they can employ them to silence those who might attack and expose the structures of corporate power and imperial crimes. Campaigns of moral absolutism appeal to naive, privileged children but widen the gap between the liberal elites and the white working class, because division is crucial to maintaining the power of the elites by deflecting attention from their far more egregious, institutionalized abuses of power. Boutique activism converts ordinary people into partners in advancing those interests, in a dangerous new form of psychologically manipulative narrative control.
Machiavelli explained the principle of wokeism in 1513, “One of the great secrets of the day is to know how to take possession of popular prejudices and passions, in such a way as to introduce a confusion of principles which makes impossible all understanding between those who speak the same language and have the same interests.”
I think this is related too. In a 2013 speech, Chinese Premier Xi Jinping identified a significant reason why the USSR dissolved: “Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Soviet Communist Party fall from power? An important reason was that the struggle in the field of ideology was extremely intense, completely negating the history of the Soviet Union, negating the history of the Soviet Communist Party, negating Lenin, negating Stalin, creating historical nihilism and confused thinking. Party organs at all levels had lost their functions, the military was no longer under Party leadership. In the end, the Soviet Communist Party, a great party, was scattered, the Soviet Union, a great socialist country, disintegrated. This is a cautionary tale!”
This is an interesting article, written by an actual black Leftist, “Woke Capitalism The Poison Pill of Liberal Anti-Racism” at https://www.blackagendareport.com/woke-capitalism-poison-pill-liberal-anti-racism
Many of the most liberal areas of the US today are populated in areas of Med and East European settlement during late 19C/early 20C.
As far as I can recall, GSS data doesn’t suggest Americans of Germanic or Anglo descent are much more liberal (IIRC it was actually the converse).
“Showing up” is ultimately more important than irrelevant trifles like “liberalism” or especially “conservatism” which can mean all manner of different things across mere decades let alone centuries.
But no evidence that “greater inbreeding” affects that directly. (Apart from more inbred peoples tending to be duller and more remote, so develop/demographically transition later).
Ladakh, and Jammu and Kashmir in India, now has one its lowest TFRs. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/india-fertility-falls-below-replacement/
While there are some people who may obsess about Jews and overemphasize them in some contexts, on wokeness you cannot ignore the Jewish question and expect to make a thorough analysis.
Globalisation results in proliferation of weapons technologies, thus making it far harder for western militaries to interfere, unlike in colonial times.
The current nuclearisation of the US and the UK militaries the result of conventional military weakness.
Moreover, it looks very possible that the NPT regime will collapse in the future, as non-western countries gain in military and economic power and western countries are in relative decline
It it thus very possible that we are looking at the something more similar to the world of Dune, where most ruling houses posses nuclear weapons.
Is inbreeding increasing among third worlders? Given the rates of urbanization, I would expect inbreeding to decrease over time in most populations. So I think AK’s points will increasingly apply in the third world even if what you say is right.
Well, what you write about has been humoursly described by Pelevin in a few of his novels.
SNUFF, Love for three Zuckerbrins, The art of subtle contacts, Sol invictus all revolve more or less around a similar topic.
Some of his novels will never be translated in English for obvious reasons of non-PC trolling, of which Pelevin is a consummate master.
On a less amusing and more depressing note, Judeo-Christian Western Civilization has metastasized into a more aggressive cancer than it was in the last 2000 years. This Civilization has always had an inhuman transcendental teleology. Today we replace building the “New Jerusalem ” with “building AGI and going into space”, but in fact it is the same accelerationist package that has underwent and is still undergoing a dialectical evolution.
On the bright side: perhaps you will end up producing the second coming of the “Simulation Christ ” as an AI, but probably not. Our survival as a species is stretched thin. Something gotta give…
I actually think the nationalist right have been the biggest losers of the pandemic. Opposition to the lockdown has mainly come from an odd alliance of anti-lockdown conservatives, BLM and ANTIFA. I would have thought that leading the anti-lockdown movement would be the natural territory of the Alt-Right/nationalists, but in reality they have been surprisingly absent from such movements.
The pandemic has made it clear that peoples’ allegiances are more complex than simply being along racial and nationality lines. Many right wing types are forming alliances with non-whites and immigrants over the lockdown when previously such a notion would have been absurd.
They are not irrelevant, because you suggested that TPTB will be able to reformat the world in their image, and i told you why i don’t see that happening. Go live in migrant area in Europe and see how “reformated” it is. These are not the same people, and their behavior is not the same to that of euros. Sorry.
As for showing up, even if somehow TFRs equalise by 2100, which i don’t fully believe, there is a demographic tailwind in nonwestern countries due to their younger population. At equal TFR, you get higher birth rate for the younger population. Current estimates are for lower median age for non-european areas of the world (on average) than for Europe even by 2100. Including for India. So you will be seeing relative demographic rise of non-europeans vis a vis europeans up to at least 2200.
Euros were a third of the world population in the 19th century and will to drop to around 7 % by 2100, and drop further by 2200. Maybe 5 %, maybe less, depending on how demographic transition goes.
Similar % in SA resulted to loss of power and crack down upon them.
So yeah, it is a tide that will put them in minority status almost everywhere, and they will lose lots of power too.
Does it count as genocide when the “genociders” also want to genocide themselves in the process?
Most of these whites also want white countries to become coffee coloured “woke” cesspits.
Dunno, but i’m hearing about some minorities being quite inbred in the UK. Pakistanis for sure.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/591577/British-Pakistanis-13-times-more-disabled-children
There are views that Christianity decreased inbreeding in Medieval Europe, and set the stage for its rise, so the decline of Christianity may have an opposite effect.
Race-mixing sanctioned by woke culture. White cohorts will be continually sapped by it. Brazilification still on the cards and remains the most probable outcome.
Nationalist right missed the opportunity that the pandemic presented the most by opposing the countermeasures which were in essence nationalistic about protecting your country and your people from viral contagion that came form abroad. Borders could have been closed and immigration could have been frozen and the nature of external enemy could have been articulated. Instead the Rightoids with their libertarian streak dominated by opposing concerted actions and once again demonstrating that they always miss the big picture by their inability to think in terms of group interests forever caught in the prisoner dilemma of losing options determined by short-term personal self interest.
fertility rate in China,Iran,Turkey,Malaysia,India and most Latin American countries( including Mexico and Brazil) is below replacement rate
Cubans seem to have been effective in Angola, but I think it depends on what sort of countries revolt.
The US army was destroyed in the Philippines in 1941/1942 and arguably it was not woke. It just had bad leadership. Leadership that it was un-PC to fire, and which was instead promoted. British Empire got a resounding defeat in Singapore too. Basically, the same problem. But imagine how much worse leadership must be now.
If society enters into competitive breeding, I wonder if Euros will try to marry their third cousins (to have greater fertility.)
Televangelical cable TV stations already abound. Even within the ever growing and mega amphitheater like non-denominational “churches” are huge TV screens bleating out the preacher’s message, reemphasizing the message similar to an Orwellian apocalyptical image. The world is moaning its disgust with the current situation, spewing out dark messages with pandemics, hurricane destruction, fires, floods, and murders abounding everywhere. Seriously, doesn’t it all really sound like the end is in sight as depicted within the old and new testaments?
https://en.buypopart.com/Art.nsf/O/8XYK6C/$File/Max-Ernst-Europe-after-the-Rain-II.jpg
The late great planet earth?
I’m getting ready to go to my little Orthodox church – “In god I trust”. 🙂
Wokeness as white supremacy — For appropriate values of “white”.
Just sayin’
Henry Harpending’s idea of witchcraft seems much more appropriate.
In 2100 you might have 800M Europeans and 3.5B Africans, sure.
But it’s also not out of the question that the average (native-born) TFR of said Europeans will be 2.7 and 1.3 for the Africans.
This is hard to comprehend, because people’s mental model of demographics tends to the static and even when things do change, it often takes many years to update.
Thank you Anatoly, this is good material for my proposition to utterly and completely exterminate all life in the western hemisphere as cultural-genetic-mental self-defense.
3.5 trillion Africans?
Nope. Mass starvation before they get there. [AK: Lol, meant to write billion.]
In which both parents are actually white? It’s nice to think so, but most white-white couplings are ‘incidental’ (rather than deliberate – where both parents are conscious of their refusal to breed outside the race), so there’s probably not much genetic tendency towards racial ethnocentrism being passed down, even if the TFR of these couplings is greater (which I’m not even sure it is).
And of course, the more mixing that takes place, the more the resultant products seem closer to whites and the more eligible they become as partners even for those whites who do have an aversion to breeding out. Extend that logic out far enough – ie generation after generation of it – and couple it with the increasing psychological difficulty of ‘being racist’ in the midst of woke social values, and fears of total white submersion appear eminently reasonable.
This never happened in the last one thousand years so that i’m not a supporter of breeder theories and suddenly spiking TFR due to breeder selection.
That is, TFR was either stable or declining through the many years even though there was constant selection pressure to increase.
In other words, environmental pressures are far more stronger than genetic pressures, and overwhelm them. This is why TFR has been on a decline for the last 2oo years too (env pressures overwhelming genetic pressures).
Not to mention the trend of ever increasing age of first birth, which should further negatively impact fertility, as older people are more likely to run into secondary and third infertility issues, thus preventing them from having a second or third child.
A prolonged period of post-Malthusian resource abundance is an absolute novelty in the human experience and is required for this to happen. History can’t be a guide in this particular instance. This was discussed at length in my series.
This view is overly nihilistic.
Wokeness is only spreading in the west and it’s allies but an alternate to the west’s unipolar world is emerging.
So those outside of the Five Eyes countries will just pick the alternate to wokeness coming from China/Russia.
The core Anglo countries will probably see wokeness accelerate until a bad crash but will still see after effects. But even then it is foolish to see wokeness increase on a linear scale.
Not a valid argument. These are stupid Liberation Movement, they are not even Catholic though they pretend to be. The same applies to the current pope, who has some leftist ideas.
I am sorry to be so blunt, but go to Gospels and read ’em again. Jesus was a (proto) Woke.
Considering that the mere introduction of a pill dropped TFR nearly two times in the period of 10 years, i consider environmental pressures to be far stronger than genetic pressures.
And there are many env pressures working to lower fertility, such as the increasing age of first birth, increased education, urbanisation, government/societal/media propaganda, etc.
Not to mention that many of the breeders children leave their group and join the normies, which will work especially under widespread school and societal propaganda to liberalise society and convert the more conservative ppl away from their breeder cult.
And you can rest assured that this is what the propaganda for euro areas will be. No one will let them do anything. They are not in charge. They are the mice in the experiment. Any attempts to consolidate conservatism will be destroyed by TPTB.
So stop trying to be original. No one will let them do anything or allow for anything conservative to consolidate. It is not even the white liberals that are in charge. It is someone smarter than them.
Is it really a surprise to see revolutionary fervor in Latin America? IMO, big mistake to divorce religion from its ethnic context. (doing so, in fact, a symptom of universalism) A Muslim Malay is hardly the same thing as a Wahhabist Arab. Meanwhile, Korean Christians tend to be members of prosperity churches, very different to traditional Euro Christianity.
I think people like Yarvin need to be treated with a grain of salt. If we are living in the new Christian fervor, then how does one explain the following: I see a fingerprint on countless Hollywood movies – I think to myself, this is intentionally insulting to Christians, obscene, and subversive, who created it? Well, curiously, it never seems to be Christians or even gentile atheists.
Is political culture distinct from Hollywood? Rather, seems to be a large degree of convergence.
This is what I call prophetic programming.
I honestly thought he was poking fun at projections.
I mean, look at pictures of Lagos. Does it seem remotely possible that it could become a city of 100 million? The first world (will it still exist?) would need to be doing food drops because the roads would be too terrible to truck in supplies.
And btw you take a breeder from Africa with TFR of 6 and thousands years history of heavy breeding and put it in the US and you instantly get a TFR for its children of 1,8.
That’s the power of environmental pressures.
So please.
Will all cultural/technological changes during 21C work to suppress fertility further and indefinitely cancel out selection for “breeder” genes? It’s not impossible – we can’t foresee the future, after all. But it seems unlikely.
I disagree with this interpretation.
Firstly, the typical gentile white leftist is not really the intellectual and political driver of “Wokeness.” They are in an ancillary, supporting role. The intellectual content and energy derives mainly from higher verbal IQ and verbally aggressive, leftist Jewish Americans. The social and political energy derives mainly from blacks whose extroversion, aggression, shamelessness, etc. allow them to disproportionately influence and dominate the cultural, media, and political landscape.
Generally, gentile white leftists lack the verbal intelligence and aggression, and aggressive personalities to dominate white conservatives and rightists and the broader public by themselves. You need higher verbal IQ Jewish Americans who can develop the sophisticated sounding arguments, talking points, theories that typically run circles around everyone else and leave them on the defensive and sputtering. You need aggressive and hostile blacks that intimidate and socially pressure into submission.
Secondly, “Wokeness” can’t be said to be promoting the interests of whites. It is accelerating the elevation of blacks and aggressively promoting the interests and status of blacks. It is ultimately a form of “Black Supremacism”
More like cultural. As recently as the 1930s Quebecois were having families with ten children quite regularly. Now their TFR is well below average, even for Canada. Environmental pressure did not change, mentality did.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNi9AHF7INOn3dE-qCLzxW5pW-z8S5OXtqkQ&usqp.jpg
Horrible.
Cultural = environmental. Mentality is formed by culture. Plus standard of living. The pill is part of environment. Now put one of their women in Mali where there is no contraception and she is regularly raped by her muslim husband and you will see how her TFR will spike to 7.
Breeder genes, lol.
Its not unlikely for the West considering who is in charge. And it is not the woke whites as you implied. Not because you are naive, but just because you wanted to sound daring and interesting.
Truth is more important for me than sounding cool and daring just to get people triggered.
The usual suspects are to blame.
https://media.eurekalert.org/multimedia_prod/pub/web/196582_web.jpg
Researchers Matt Kemp and Haruo Usuda.
Are SJWs still a thing? I remember they were big on campuses around 2015 but I didn’t think they still existed.
Is it actually somehow morally worse than “surrogate mother” technology of nowdays? Seems even kinda better…
Depends on the context: maybe, this is a lot more realistic than generation ships, and it is what it would take to spread human life to the planets of other suns.
Your hypothesis is probably correct. Commenter Kronos (and myself in a reply) have had some similar thoughts a while ago.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/what-of-antifa-are-trans/#comment-4056500
Basically you are making the connection between cultural darwinism and biological darwinism. Apparently Jonas Salk’s “survival of the wisest” concept is something in that line.
The Dorset and the Inuit largely lived in the same extreme environment. One was able to outcompete and eliminate the other though, due to its different culture.
I think there are different strands two main strands within Wokeness, the Queer/Feminism/LGBT strand and the Post-Colonial/Critical Race/Whiteness studies strand.
For 3) to work as outlined the Post-Colonial and Critical Race strand would have to be some kind of mega-4D chess psy-op by Anglo-whites. They would have to be using Jewish, Arab, black and Latino scholars to portray whiteness, colonialism and European culture as pervasively oppressive and evil, allowing this perspective to spread to the non-white developing world, all in order to cause the triumph of Angl0-American white people at some point much further down the line. This doesn’t seem plausible e.g.
…is like saying that black created Black Nationalism and Afrocentrism will harm the development of African nations.
Culture is part of the environment one is living in, and for example you can have muslims and christians living in the same area. But they will be experiencing different environment in their lives due to that.
All the things a culture makes you do is part of the environmental factors affecting you.
I think too many leftists fell out of helicopters and things of that kind in the 1970s and 80s, this led to a certain amount of push back against traditional Christian teaching in Latin American countries and the rise of things like Liberation Theology, but this is a heresy:
Gospels are a sedative, they were meant for suffering masses with focus on women. They worked in gathering a flock. Of course, the Christian institutions never took any of the woke stuff seriously. That was the saving grace of Christianity until recently. Today I am not sure if Western Christianity has much to offer.
The problem with all current conservatism is that it is by definition conserving the dominant liberal-woke world. Why would anyone want to do that?
The other problem is that economic conservatism has been taken over by libertarian morons (=classical liberals) who have no idea that what they are advocating is a material basis for out-of-control liberalism. It is also a political poison: today we cannot function without some socialism. By fanatically opposing it, the modern right is marginalising itself (see Trump’s fate). They bought into a Hollywood version of individual liberty that has never existed and never will. But they are unable to even see it – as we can see among many on this blog. I suspect the West is f..ed…they have been check-mated by their own multiplying idiocies…
Woketardery is “white upper middle class womxn supremacy”, unfortunately enough, being exported via US-academia and US-mainstream-media + US-dominated social media.
The Rainbowflag-Empire’s main creed – being anti white male, being pro “Afro”-everything + pro-homosexuality – is absolutley what white liberal (upper) middle class women believe in and want to implement all over the world. “Werstern” institutions are just as “feminized” in (Western-)Eruope as in the USA (sometimes, as in Germany, it seems they are even trying to “out-woke” the USA!) Womxn in academia, womxn in mainstream media, and lately there is a push to put as many “Afro-Germans” as possible into German TV as presenters and journalists. Despite Africans being still in very low numbers.
I suspect a lot of these are girls claiming to be “bi” or “non-binary” bc it’s a current fad.
They have graduated in the meantime and fill slots in bureaucracy and business, mostly as woke.comissars, working towards fireing everybody who isn’t fully commited to the gospel-of-woke.
Remeber when people made fun of the blue-haired “snowflakes”? Yes, they are weaklings and helpless crybabies when alone and on their own. Unfortunately a lot of snowflakes can comprise an avalanche and that’s exactly what’s happening now.
STFU you duplicitous, Jewish Vietnamese-Israeli swine.
Trying to impose American poison gutter-culture and its negative and disproportionate influence ( partially because of its blasphemous scumbag pseudo-messianic mania) on the west and rest of the world ( while strangely not looking to impose some of its rare positive things like architecture and distinctly American cars on much of Europe)……… onto Jesus and his humanity is as false and low as it gets you POS.
You’re tri-gender, ultra-feminist bore…… so I don’t see you trying to attack the Jewish-friendly Old Testament, and it’s promotion of feminist, incestual date-rape ( end of destruction of Gommorah I think)
Get out of my sight
One of the most significant groups are the crypto-woke. Perhaps, a sub-type of #2?
Basically, as I’d define them, they will deny being woke and aren’t gay. They might say that they are not pro-mass migration and are not anti-white, but they will blame what is happening to Europe on colonialism, or, if they are not white, try to gain status by exaggerating or making hay out of colonial atrocities. Or, in another breadth, they will say Europeans are really a mixture of different populations, and wonder if it is natural for Europe to change.
They are the worst group, IMO.
Perfect control of environment allows minimalization of any harmful alleles from being expressed in the womb, and avoidance of concerns like fetal alcohol syndrome. Imagine being able to move beyond the simple cottage industry of domestic production of humanity and replace it with industrialization.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/paper-review-artificial-wombs/
The promise of a new future is upon us.
Because they are more likely to; speak English, read, listen to, or watch English-language news, be educated in overseas universities and boarding schools, travel internationally, conduct international exchanges (business, academic, artistic et al affairs), consume Anglophone pop culture, reside in a milieu where high status is often equated with American or generic pseudo-Western prestige culture, possess property or discreet bank accounts abroad, multiple citizenships or permanent residences, et cetera.
And for every one upper class person who has this there will be two slightly lower in the social hierarchy who will aspire to this.
Do you mean “is a whole lot notable (noticeable?) in some regions/peoples” here? I’m wondering if you made a couple of typos in this sentence, Anatoly.
Not every left leaning person is an SJW. I am living on my university campus and I know many people who are left wing but the pink/blue haired, “trigger warning”, snowflake SJWs largely came and went.
Not every leftist is an SJW. Was Clement Atlee an SJW? Vladimir Lenin? Being an SJW is about the authoritarian, thin skinned and angry nature not just the thinking.
If the cause of male (and female?) homosexuality is in large part prenatal (specifically some kind of immune reaction by pregnant women), then fetuses gestated in artificial wombs are going to be considerably less likely to be homosexual, correct?
This is totally false too. There is very clear symmetry in woke behavior and influence. Its center is the US, and probably several Western European countries. The influence declines the further from the center you go.
In order to have high level of woke stuff you need to have high level inteligencia, something rare in third world countries, moreover, woke stuff hits richer countries harder than poorer third world countries, simply due to the Maslow hierarchy of needs.
Poor people simply can not afford to be as decadent as westerners, and for them fixing poverty, or working class issues, are much more imporant than identity politics.
I also mentioned the issue of third world inbreeding, making woke behavior much less likely there than in the West.
So no, in general, third world countries will not be more woke than the center of the Western Empire, or than rich countries. This is absolutely false.
Are you suggesting that countries that are already severely overpopulated (for instance, both India and Bangladesh) are considerably less likely to experience an eventual huge future fertility boom? Because that would actually make a lot of sense.
Karlin, i expect higher quality from you, i’m here to learn something new and of good quality, not to be fixing your mistakes.
Was Lenin an SJW?
Complaining about the white yokels who “just don’t get it”:
Accusations of white-adjacency against anti-anti-white minorities:
Focusing on micro-aggressions and believing that “it is impossible to be racist against whites”:
“Non-racism is racism and only through an actively anti-racist policy of present discrimination can we make up for past discrimination and racism and ensure equity and restitution”:
Millenarian cultural imperialist-expansionist fanaticism:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/autonomy.htm
The Prosecution rests its case.
Anglophone and Francophone Cameroonians are razing each other’s villages even though only a minority can actually speak proper French (presumably the same for English) and many still retain their native languages as mother language. It is hard to get more artificial than this. Yet they are willing to commit massacres to protect this identity.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/cameroon-language-french-english-military-africa-ambazonia-a8770396.html
Sure, but its more environmental than genetic in practice.
Show me one big city where natives are having that “breeders effect”.
It is imbossible for cities to sustain life, they will suck all life from countryside until it is empty and then from foreign countries. It is what John B Calhoun said in his rat studies – mice utopia.
Rural people might take over and those which reject modernity such like amish, mennonites, vissarion, old believers, haredim etc
I’m convinced bioleninism is a necessary component for wokeness, and I have trouble understanding how it would work in a third or fourth world country.
Suppose we take a sub-Saharan country, and assume a cognitive difference between Bushmen and Bantu. Well, there aren’t enough Bushmen to takeover a Bantu country, even if we assume that they could.
Or consider the Dominican Republic. The only group interested in invading it seems to be Haitians. There are a fair number of them, but they mainly look the same to Dominicans – there’s basically only one variety (excluding the rare lighter-tone ones who may not even be interested in coming). So, in theory, it would be hard for a coalition of people with different skin tones to fool a Dominican into thinking that race didn’t matter because he would only see Haitians. There would not be any “model minority”, just Haitians.
It seems like it, views of that kind sound like they are the result of the populisation and spread of post-colonial and CRT ideas through wider society.
Expressing a commitment to the principle that countries shouldn’t have to be on the receiving end of significant mass-migration, or that there shouldn’t be hostility directed against groups on the basis of their skin colour suggests that when exceptions are made to these norms (as in the case of various European countries) there must be some serious justification for it. Past colonialism, colonial exploitation and so on can then be pointed to as just such justifications and a good basis for a kind of double standard. This is a kind of ‘migration as reparations’ or justice for the past argument.
Running a simultaneous and distinct argument that significant immigration is nothing new or exceptional, and is a kind of natural and unstoppable morally neutral phenomena is useful because it is harder to argue against both of these positions at the same time, partly because they are incompatible. In Britain this latter argument is older than the newer Woke one based on colonialism, that has only spread more in the past couple of years.
If ‘liberal colourblindness’ is substituted for ‘socialism’ and ‘white supremacy’ for ‘European’ this would be Woke.
The ‘colourblind’ Liberals are their predecessors, the Wokeists hate the ‘I don’t see race’ people.
I could easily imagine someone like DiAngelo or Applebaum writing something like this:
‘…Liberal colorblindness is just the latest expression of egocentric white supremacist pretensions to universality, rather than the road to salvation the spiritual tyranny of white supremacy.’
Maybe they would write ‘assumptions of universality’, rather than ‘pretensions to…’ though.
The environmental factor is likely to be primarily prenatal, to my knowledge. The fraternal birth order effect combined with the uniqueness of gay faces both demonstrates this, IMHO.
China is as aged as Europe. 1 billion people doesn’t mean shit, that’a a fucking burden on them.
How are they similar in any way? The only thing Applebaum does is shilling for Western supremacy.
Not necessarily. Helicopter parenting is a major factor in depressing fertility. Helicopter parenting is just too exhausting for more than one child. Self-driving cars that actually work would free people from having to drive their kids to soccer practice or dancing class or whatever. Robots might be capable of taking over child supervisory duties. Technology could make helicopter parenting a lot less work.
In the West we have made child-rearing very labour-intensive but technology could change that.
Yes I agree with that.
No shit black nationalism and Afrocentrism will harm the development of African nations — consider Rhodesia or South Africa. Already has in plenty of places.
Otherwise this comment is very good, but you don’t elucidate how the two strands work with each other, which is that the former strand — queer/feminism/LGBT — always beats the latter strand when they conflict. This is because anybody who gets really into wokism is predominantly concerned about this strand (either because they are gay or because society has convinced them to care about this), while those who actually care about black culture go to black churches or rap or something. Whenever the latter conflicts with the former, everyone just pretends that it doesn’t.
This is why Anatoly is right, incidentally. When wokeness spreads, it’ll spread LGTB-ism wherever it goes. Because wokeness is a Western idea and Western ideas have the highest levels of memetic fitness (the idea Trubetskoy was gesturing towards, but didn’t have), it will out-compete its competitors and spread, even in the Third World. (Hell, you already have trans politicians in Brazil and such.) Then it will reduce birth-rates. (His prognosis for the First World is optimistic — I’d put more faith in direct genetic engineering than Amish/Haredi/Arkansas-Quiverfull breeder colonies if things end up working out; given France’s experience I don’t think selection on breeder traits happens very fast in practice — but his prognosis for the Third World is spot on.)
Because Western societies are open — there is no real censorship, someone here will complain about SJWs but no one will ever come to shut down Unz and it is very easy to find — the most convincing-sounding ideas with the greatest memetic fitness will always be exported from Western societies to others. The idea that Iran or China or Africa can resist Western fashions in the long-term is bogus (even with high fertility, but then, Iran and China don’t actually have high fertility). Xi can go ahead and try to build a functioning society if that’s what he wants. Wokeness will eventually reach China too, and win there.
What I call, a prophecy of things to come.
Do Buddhists believe in the eternity of the soul? Adepts seem to be seeking Samsara in the here and now, from what I’ve understood from our discussions herein. But then I’ve read that in order to achieve nirvana, one has to abandon samsara?
How does that make AK “right”? His thesis is not that wokism will spread, but that spreading it is a white supremacist strategy or that its spread will benefit white supremacy.
I think the logic is not that it “has” to spread, but that for a society to not absorb these memetic chaos viruses, they have to be both very intelligent and spiritual about it. Consciously subconscious, as you will. Basically, they have to create a powerful and organic alternative while also being able to match the “Gallo-Germanics” (was that it?) in technology and weaponry. Some might be close to actually pulling it off. It remains to be seen.
I think individual liberty sucks, so I must be leftwing. That’s about the only ideological belief I share with regular leftists. Thanks for telling me I’m a leftist, now go tell them. It’s no use being a club member and not being able to use the facilities.
Barbara Applebaum, the Critical Whiteness academic: https://soe.syr.edu/about/directory/barbara-applebaum/
We believe in an ongoing causal process that lasts as long as the causes last and changes as the causes change.
You have to be present in the here and now to lower the level of illusion you experience.
Samsara is the state of a deluded mind. Nirvana is the state of mind that is no longer deluded. What one needs to let go is ignorance and clinging to the illusions rooted in this ignorance.
In Buddhism it’s believed that no being possesses a permanent and unchanging essence or substance separate from the rest of the reality, but there’s a continuum of mental and material aggregates. Have you heard of the philosophical question of the Ship of Theseus? It’s somewhat like that.
We do not seek Samsara for we already are in Samsara. Samsara is our present unawakened and suffering state, when we are ignorant of the true nature of us and reality, a state of confusion and wrongdoing. A state lacking of freedom, full of anxiety, decay, sickness, aging and death…
…but at the same time Samsara is a place of birth, joy and love.
There are two very different views of Nirvana in Buddhism. The view of Theravada and the view of Mahayana, but for both schools it is the true and everlasting peace. To Mahayana this world is potentially Nirvana, if we purify our mind from all defilements and help forever all beings we will gain a state of everlasting joy.
Abandoning Samsaric existence is same as doing good deeds and at the same time ceasing of all evil or selfish deeds, words and thoughts. Samsara literally means ‘wandering,’ when one wanders lost in a strange place…
I wanted to click agree button, but I had already exhausted my reserves of “buttons.” Sorry that I answered to question that was addressed to you. Your answer is short and well done.
No, this is hard to comprehend because it’s ridiculous and over-simplistic.
Extrapolating how SSAs are acting in the Western world about social issues onto, say, Arabs, is devoid of logic.
SSAs are far more promiscuous and gender equal than Arabs. In fact, in Christian areas of SSA they’ve developed fairly liberal sexual mores when you consider their level of development, not due to Western influence, it’s just natural genetic predisposition.
Also the reservoir of non-Whites around the world already is multiple times higher than that of Whites. If you assume that wokeness is just going to increase exponentially over the next few decades then White countries are going to be so flooded and admixed that by the time your theory takes root the composition of the population will look closer to Mexico.
I’d also love to see some in-depth sources on Slavic and Latin/Romance populations being more liberal in America than Germanic populations. That sounds very unlikely. Especially for Italians. They are not by any means more left than Germanic populations when you take Celtic and Southern English Scotch-Irish descendants out of the mix.
This is true; the idea I was addressing was that somehow black nationalism and Afrocentrism were supposed to be being used to harm African development in ways which promote white supremacy and white power, this is one thing they don’t seem to have done in Rhodesia or South Africa, at least so far.
You are partly right here, the direct origins of the present Woke movement stem from the invention (by a black lesbian feminist) of the idea of intersectionality in the early 90s. This came out of debate within the identity-politics radical left about the way in which race based oppression interacts with sexuality and gender based oppression. They came up with the idea of intersectionality, how different identity based systems of oppression are supposed to overlap, and this is a big field of study and debate for the Woke.
At the moment it feels like white gays and lesbians, as well as white feminists, are being marginalised and pushed down to the bottom end of the ‘progressive stack’. To gain credibility whites have to be trans, genderqueer, neuro-diverse or physically disabled, obese plus feminist, lesbian etc. (Critical Fat Studies, about the oppression of the obese seemed more like a joke even a short time ago but is gaining ground). Black males can have more oppression derived status than many white identities, but black trans, black feminists, black Muslims who are gay max out on it.
If it moved into the Third World, the post-colonial aspect would probably be significantly strengthened. Also, Wokeness has already integrated a lot postmodern content and still has some Hegelian basis, so it will try to embrace contradictions and logical incoherence in various ways, not as problems but as positive features of its worldview, while trying to keep the ‘intersectional coalition’ together as a political force.
Second and third-generation Greek populations (if they can still be categorised as ethnic Greeks given language proficiency is often non-existent) in the Diaspora are largely conservative. I would find it very hard to believe they are less conservative than Germanic or Slavic populations. Greeks generally believe all other European populations in their host countries are soft and gay i.e. they assimilate easily and assume all the worst excesses of Western liberalism including female promiscuity (or they think that men and women can have the same number of partners and no problem).
Well if this were China, this site would be shut down, and lots of authors would be in house arrest or put in a dungeon, and Mike Whitney, Atzmon, and Anglin would also be put in a dungeon or under house arrest, which may not be such a negative thing? Imagine Unz spreading stories about how China designed corona to be a biological weapon to attack Western economies, and this got a lot of traction in the Western media, Unz would also be put in a dungeon or put under house arrest. Depends on how much attention this site get if this were in China. And people like Bolsonaro and Noem, and possible De Santis would also be made to shut up or put in a dungeon if they were Chinese.
She doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page. You should probably use the full name when there’s others with the same last name that are significantly more famous.
Well North Korea seems to have no problem cutting itself off from wokeness, the question is whether any country wants to have the standard of living of North Korea.
Bolsonaro, Noem, and most definitely de Santis would be vanned straight into a work camp because they are Anti-China, and therefore pro ZOGSA/Trumpenstein/globohomo.
No, I mean if they were Chinese, China just would not allow anti-vaxxers and corona skeptics and anti-lockdowners to proliferate and gain popular support, judging from the history of populist movements in Chinese history, regardless of their foreign policy stances. You really believe this site would not get cancelled in China in they took the same positions against China that they take against the US?
AI filtering of their comments and harassment is more likely than “dungeon.”
No, this is the old school ethnocentrism that everybody had.
On the contrary, in the West it is modern to give up your own ethnocentric interests in favor of minorities.
On the contrary, it is the richest people who have the lowest birth rate (within societies) so the problem is not lack of capability.
Only white gentiles, and to some schizophrenic halfway extent yellows, are giving up their interests, the rest – Jews, mestizos, Amerindians, blacks, muslims, etc. – are preaching straightforward ethnocentrism. So why is it supposed to be different?
I did mention house arrest right?
False.
There is big censorship for anything that isn’t politically incorrect. And the US is moving towards one party Dem state. The levels of censorhip are constantly on the increase. And considering who is really behind this, you will see even higher levels of censorship.
No. Being white is more important, thus being a white feminist puts you below non-whites in general. The white feminist must demand open borders and the replacement of whites like herself or she will be terminated.
Why not? Inbreeding levels in the non-West do not support that view. They lead to less individualism, more selfishness and less altruism in general in those populations.
Look at people who protest for saving the planet and its heavily white dominated there.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3026/RAND_RR3026.pdf
It is far more different. In the West you have inverted society – the locals must give up, and the migrant groups and basically everyone must be above them. The psychologically broken and cucked locals facilitate woke behaviors.
There is also WW2 effect (among other things) which causes the locals to try to prove how “good” they are.
In the Third World, it is Me First for all groups. No WW2 effect there. No one feels guilty for anything. And it is this selfishness exhibited by everyone which makes woke behaviors there less likely.
You actually see wokism spreading in the third world from the elites down, especially those with historical ethnic based issues of disparities between different ethnic groups.
That really depends, because non-western elites too are afraid that they met get replaced if they push too much for other groups interests, and thus be replaced by other groups elites. And no matter how much one can push for such behaviors, ppl are not psychologically broken there and it is Me First culture for all groups.
And its not in all cases, see Turkey or Russia or India or China where elites try to push in opposite direction too.
Moreover, there is greater inter-state competition in heartland areas of the world, which facilitates more pro-unity and nationalist behaviors, while the more geographically isolated (safer) areas of the world are the more woke ones.
So level of wokeness also has to do with level of inter-state competition. It is one thing to be Canada (isolated and safer area of the world with low interstate competition) and it is another thing to be Russia (heartland area with high inter-state competition).
Some of this stuff may have been precipitated by demographic trends. South America has probably been becoming less white for quite a while.
If I were the King of Thailand, I would look at how the children have been getting educated lately, but that is just my 0.02 baht worth. Plus unlike Filipinos, the vast majority of Thais, even in Bangkok, can barely string together even a paragraph of grade school level English, which should have provided a security barrier.
In the US at least, that was how Covid-19 was originally interpreted by the Right. That it would support Trump and his agenda, anti-immigrationism, hawkishness against China, etc.
But after a few months, it began to dawn on the Right that Covid-19, the lockdowns could hurt Trump’s election chances. Especially since the media, medical, and public health establishments tend to be dominated by the Left. So that is why the Right in the US became skeptical or hostile to the response and lockdowns. Rightoids used conspiracy theorizing and libertarianism to rationalize their opposition, but that was mainly post hoc rationalization. The main driver for their skepticism and opposition was that it would be bad for Trump’s election chances and the Right’s political power.
I don’t know a lot about Thailand, but it is probably a bad sign when you have a home-grown group of trannies commercially touring other countries for stage performances. Trannies score high on narcissism so they are really good at fomenting this woke stuff.
Why is Thailand so known for trannies? I wonder if it is just an after effect of the big American bases there that closed in 1975. Or maybe, it is simply that communism didn’t win there. I mean, China has a lot of sex workers now, but for at least a short while the whole operation was basically closed down.
Until Fake Woke gets real, Dream On.
Actually I believe it demonstrates that people’s allegiances largely fall along racial/nationality lines.
With increasing diversity in a polity, you see a decline in “asabiya” and more spiteful behavior.
The Right in the US serves in large part as an implicitly white identity. It views the Left which dominates the media and public health elites as relatively less white and hostile to white American interests and culture. Thus it is reflexively skeptical of policy coming from the media and public health elites. Furthermore, as the overall population is increasingly non-white, there is subconsciously less concern about the general public and welfare. It is not necessarily a conscious, deliberate, “racist” hostility. More a subconscious decline of “asabiya.”
Blacks have long been skeptical of vaccines and other policies for the same reason: that they are devised and come from an out-group, namely whites. Blacks are the group most skeptical and opposed to vaccines.
So the alliance between Right wing whites and other groups like blacks over the lockdowns and vaccines is not a great mystery.
Japan, and I think Hungary, also practices this “English is the language of poz” defense.
Toasted. Praise Xi Dada.
I’m not sure how well puritanism will work in the long run but it’s pretty impressive so far. Praise the Machine God soon, I hope.
Wokeness is so terribly costly that it is not sustainable. We are literally falling apart due to it. I give it another 5 to 10 years before it gets major roll backs. However damage is already done.
Did he really crack down on it? What I heard is that it often has local police support, and crackdowns are done fleetingly, when CCP big shots are in town. (don’t know how reliable the source is)
Never knew that it is legal in HK and Macau. I find that very interesting. I mean, I know “one country, two systems”, but there’s something almost amusing about prostitution being legal in the places that are most associated with foreigners, at least on a historical level.
His crackdowns are quite serious from what I’ve heard; reversing a situations where prostitutes clamored outside of hotels to being basically absent. Its part of the “fear atmosphere” that some people have accused of, but he’s also wiped out a lot of the assumed acceptable level of corruption before, drug use, etc.
The Party apparatus is quite serious now, but its also crushing for those accustomed to a more “free” hand, including individuals in the government who previously once overlooked such things. Its one reason for monetary flight, as such individuals(and their families) try to escape and find a bolt hole for themselves and their money before the soft touch of Xi’s inquisitors reach them.
I am not sure I can agree. I do not remember voices on the Right that would advocated strong countermeasures except for stopping flights from China. No voices about stopping flights from Italy.
Alastair Crooke has written a lot of interesting stuff on woke as an attempt by the elite in the West to retain control, as the economy disintegrates.
I’d be very happy to eat crow but I’ll hold off on undue optimism until this euro breeding explosion materializes in France.
And as much as preventing the eventual outbreeding destruction of euro ethnics is positive, this vision of the future where there’s been a total global cultural genocide in order to make room for “wokeness” itself is a depressing prospect.
A religious and jingoistic government with control of the media, civil service and the education system yet they have been unable to turn around the country. Liberalism isn’t inevitable, but neither is there some intrinsic defense against it.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkish-youth-increasingly-secular-and-modern-under-erdogan-poll-finds
https://www.intellinews.com/turkey-sees-sharp-drop-in-fertility-rate-to-near-swedish-level-190060/
Only the Kurds and Syrians are above replacement level:
https://i.redd.it/u2hh1my78ty01.jpg
https://i.redd.it/nwf9f24g4xe11.jpg
https://www.dailysabah.com/turkey/2019/11/08/aging-population-on-the-rise-families-shrinking-in-turkey-survey
We need a “Nice” option for response without reply.
Not necessarily, see Israel. Religion is flourishing there, and is changing the demographics of the country towards more non-ashkenazi (non-liberal) demographics.
Btw i see Israel as a non-western country.
As for the rest on Turkey, apparently they decided to counteract these processes by importing arabs.
The latest is that Turkey just left the Istanbul Convention.
And really, “secularism” in muslim countries is a whole other beast than what is understood in the West. For example in “secular Syria” or Mubarak’s Egypt it wasn’t allowed for muslims to convert to a non-muslim religion. Also when a muslim and non-muslim marry, the children must become muslims, and the non-muslim spouse must convert to Islam. Proselytism by non-muslim groups was not allowed. For more on “secularism” in Middle Eastern countries see State Department reports.
There is no case of muslim country in the world giving citizenship to non-trivial amount of non-muslim immigrants. They basically make the life of non-muslims miserable and thus the non-muslim minorities are constantly declining in muslim countries.
Name checks out.
I agree that the divergent conceptions of secularism is often misunderstood, but the polling agency didn’t just ask vague questions like “do you approve of a secular state?”, but also specific ones like “do you approve of your child marrying someone from a different religion?” and “would you mind if your child wasn’t heterosexual?”. Hard to misunderstand those.
And these social changes haven’t even occurred in an environment where Turkey is more prosperous, more peaceful or socially united than a decade ago, rather the diametrically opposite.
Moving the goalposts – just like Middle Easterners in Europe, Syrians are a resented presence in Turkey yet they do little to evict them. One might as well say that Spain is not woke because ethnic Spaniards are being replaced by people who aren’t.
For some reason you can somehow recognise Trump’s feeble symbolpolitik, but not Erdogan’s?
It is definitely more prosperous, see per capita GDP. They were having 7 % per anum growth rates several years ago. It is more urbanised too.
I noticed that the poll asked youth if they were religious, and 15 % answered yes, then they asked them, do you pray every day, and 24 % answered yes, which means that there are more religious youth than what looks in the first place. Maybe for them “religious” means outright ISIS type, and not just someone who prays alot. Note that among those who pray every day there was only 3 % drop.
Then they got asked: do you fast, and 58 % said yes. That does not look like european style secularism to me, i’m not aware of a european country where 58 % of youth fast. Almost no one does this in Europe, especially among youth. That is turkish style “secularism” for you.
No, Turkey does that because it wants to islamise the population and dilute the kurds in the border areas, way different motivation than Spain. Islamists are more open to other ethnicities as long as they are islamist too, Islam itself is not that nationalist. Problem with PKK and YPG is not only that they are kurdish but that they are secular and socialist too, and Erdogan prefers sunni arab islamists in the border areas to dilute that.
That is not symbolpolitik, that is used to change laws. Family laws that govern family life and affect everyone. I remember when EE countries accepted the convention and lots of family laws had to be changed with more feminist interpretations.
The instantaneous transmission of images does seem to have really turned off modern man from protracted and large scale slaughter. Hell, an officially permitted knee hold on a large man by the hapless Derek Chauvin was universally condemned as “barbaric”, such is the revulsion toward violence/force that is now the norm.
In the US, the massive conservative rural areas of the South/Midwest, and many of the conservative white working class suburbs of the South and Midwest are of heavily Protestant NW European white descent. Interestingly though, Brits/Celts/Germans in New England and the Western states (the non-coastal Western states used to be as conservative as the Midwest, but that changed after about 2000) are more liberal.
It used to be that non-WASP whites of large metro areas of the Northern US, plus Scots-Irish white Southerners, would band together to stop snooty Republicans from selling America out. But that coalition has been fraying since the 1964 Civil Rights act. In fact, since 2012 the Democrats have shed virtually all rural and suburban white working class support outside of New England, and very few old-stock white Southerners trust the Democrats anymore. It seems as if class and race now trumps ideology, as the Dems now openly state their desire to be rid of lower class whites whose interests and values have been diverging further and further away from the Anglo Zionist aristocrat/New Left Frankenstein monster.
Nah, the new faith is usually pretty hostile to the old faith it’s coming from. Look at Socialism and Christianity, or Protestantism and Catholicism.
Or more.
If such things can be regulated it will probably be regulated according to most progressive social customs. There won’t be any excuses anymore. Only the most regressive parents don’t have gay kids. You are not a regressive, citizen, are you?
It’s a sort of damned if you do, damned if you don’t type scenario. The world demands Action from Power; the powerful will always be implored to use that power to change things for the better. If we intervene in other countries to ‘save’ them we mess around with the business of others- if we don’t, we are cold and uncaring and only care about money. If Europe/America intervenes in Iraq we are villanous warmongers, if we ignore the Uighurs we clearly only care about Chinese money etc.
The truly woke aren’t supremacists btw, they raise third-world culture over first-world culture and claim it is an improvement. The eternal neolib/neocon is more of a supremacist but they of course believe everyone can follow our perfect ways with a little education.
Is it truth, or locking onto a particular paradigm and insisting nothing is possible outside it, and thus, not worth the thought or attention to available statistics which show a potential future?
“The Forever War,” captured that reality nicely. Has a surprisingly “based” and upbeat ending, though.
Sikhi appeals more to violent men than rap music, Islam close second।।
You can control the harem that just leaves you as chief eunuch।।
Students of history will understand the second part of that insult. 🙂
Well, let’s say that i have a way and a method of knowing what will happen with a particular society, culture wise.
Up to now it works with near 100 % accuracy.
It predicted to me the wipe out of Trump, what place will be more nationalistic and what place less, the fact that there was no resistance to the demographic and cultural take over happening in the West, the degeneration of the EU, the schism between Eastern and Western Europe, the russian and turkish divorces with the West, the large right wing activity in Israel, and many other things too.
And do you know what my method tells me that will happen with the West? It tells me that euro culture will be destroyed and western whites will mostly go away. It is possible that these in EE and in Russia may survive, but that is too not guaranteed.
Its not that i like that, but this is what it is. And i do not believe that it can be changed. The only thing that has a chance of saving is the non-western world and its peoples and cultures.
You’re more Philosemetic than the Hebrew.
No. What happened is that reality ended up being Philosemetic. More than what i would like. And it was painful to me to accept that those things will happen. It was even bad for my health.
But after i understood what will happen, and that losing my sleep over something i can’t change will only harm me, and no one else, i stopped caring about the dying West. I abandoned ship. And started caring about what can be saved.
https://twitter.com/Khalsa_Ak47/status/1287446077717839873?s=20
That’s fair enough.
Still, if you’ve already embraced death and loss as the likely future for one faction, it should be even easier to say, “but, if that doesn’t happen, this might.” I mean, I’m about as negative as you are on those issues, but the TFR-changes might be interesting to see.
Plus, if it does workout like that, then happy day. After accepting annihilation as the outcome, this should be a nice and surprising possibility.
Having said that, it doesn’t mean “relaxing” or hoping in vain.
Also, history is long, and it’s hard to even be so despairing when we don’t know what will happen in 50 years, let alone a hundred.
This is an odd one. It may be bold, or foolish (how often are these entwined, confused). Trollish too, but you would be trolling “our side” as well! Mostly it is shitposty, I guess.
You had already argued for the global fertility curve transition(s) and it did not involve sjws or leftist indictments. That previous argumentation constitutes 2 of the 3 points made here (downward, cultural inflection, and upward, genetic inflection). You now add sjwism to the equation. And what are the consequences? IIUC, according to the Cortesian argument offered it would change the hypothetical future fertility differential in favor of westerners/whites from “superior” to “much superior”, thus you trollishly spin it in baizuo terms.
So the gambit consists in trading now cohesion, trust, and security in the social realm; fertility, intelligence, educational quality and success in the human-capital realm; political and (eventually) military power in the realm of statehood; for a (possibly large) increase in the fertility delta in 1 or 2 generations. This predicated on the validity of the hypothesis that culture-driven, regressive, and genetic-driven, progressive, fertility transitions are global phenomena taking place in phase-shifted synchrony and that they will continue unswerving. In particular, as Passer By noted, this postulates universal applicability, and that the progressive genetic pressure is much stronger than the regressive cultural/environmental pressure. All of this in the context of declining white fraction not only worldwide but also in some western countries, and what looks like an incipient west-east economic inflection.
Call me conservative, but as an intentional strategy it sounds farfetched and riskfraught. So much so that probably only a psychopath or a gambling maniac (or perhaps a visionary rara avis with AK’s bold, trollish, and acute post-malthusian foresight 😉 would consciously pursue it. And while there are indeed some psychopathic personalities who likely do further “the woke” as a consciously selfish strategy, they do not represent the interests of the white/western population (the whites in this class only represent themselves, they are the already very powerful who would just as contently rule over a nation of mestizos, mulattoes, or blacks).
Ok, so you didn’t say anything about intention. The motive of the phenomenon may be called a confluence of emergent dynamics (“affluence silences the voice of duty”, “decadence is a moral and spiritual disease, resulting from too long a period of wealth and power, producing cynicism, decline of religion, pessimism and frivolity”) and intent, or simply left unspecified, but in any case to paint sjwism as ultimately beneficial for westernites looks a very hard sell. Even if “breeder genes” eventually do come to the rescue, there is no telling how much, by then, will be left to salvage.
So what are examples of “not uniformly negative” effects of SJWism? Uh… Rising revenue from “grievance studies” tuition? I can see some positive effects of traditional Left ideology (the one that still cared about workers and class). I can see none in this disease.
The ones who manage to establish a mutually beneficial relationship with the cancer have become carcinogenic themselves. Furthermore, it is not quite a symbiosis, they are in competition for virulence.
A few more comments on the “not entirely trollish leftist spin”, which I found irksome:
I really thought you were joking by repeating that “Russians are chromatic” meme. Is this your strategy to countersjw the sjws? Because I don’t think it will work, not even for a “rhetorically-chromatic” Russia. Rather, I think you would just be clicking the ratchet once again: you decide to give the leftists a taste of their medicine, as you are about to hurl their epithets (“Album Optimalist”, “Genicist”) back at them, you realise that they seem to fly only in one direction, thus you find yourself positioned to the left of them. Beware.
You imply that it’s a somewhat trollish interpretation, but countersjwism is still swjism. For someone who considers it a pathogen, the only case in which I can see a rational case for promoting it would be if you feel now so secure of the East being safely immunised against the Western virus that you see no downsides to coughing in their general direction. Several times you have written with concern about the (modest) inroads of the western infection into Russia, so I don’t think that’s the case. But if it were, if that sense of security were warranted, then such behaviour (deliberate but dishonest promotion of sjwism meant to decrease fitness of the enemy) would be, well, cunning, I guess (or full of chutzpah some might say). If it weren’t, then you would be acting “bold” indeed. Beware.
Also, many times we have drawn parallels between contemporary liberasts and the past bolsheviks and maoists. At the same time you and many others have made the reasonable case that the bolsheviks and soviets hurt the russian majority specially, and the russian state itself has made some effort to distance itself from that past, which is good. Contorted argumentation reminiscent of the one you propose here would have people hypothesising that “ackshually, bolshevism was russian optimalism”. Beware.
Bur the context in this article is clearly not related to galactic conquest. Just boring old families on our boring blue earth. It is dystopian and depressing to think that artificial breeding would be what’s needed to raise fertility to healthy levels again, which, I guess, was Blinky Bill’s tacit implication.
Seeing this upbeat reaction to in-vitro human breeding I’m reminded of your joking admission of being “a little traumatized by life, which may have led to some unusual opinions and interests”. Non-jokingly, I’m starting to feel a little pity! :‑)
There wasn’t much official, or even spoken, revulsion at the genuine violence that ensued.
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I had my first (and last) Guinness float here:
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Permanently Closed – Town Talk Diner and Gastropub
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We’d rather not.
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Is it really true that the very richest people have the lowest birth rates? Doesn’t Jeff Bezos have four kids? Mark Zuckerberg has a couple of kids. Elon Musk has six kids. My impression is that the super-rich are reproducing quite successfully. Maybe it’s because helicopter parenting is easy if you have a staff to do it for you.
Capitalism, technology, urbanisation and rising prosperity means you can provide excellent opportunities for your offspring if you only have one offspring, and you can do so whilst still having lots of very pleasant options for yourself (a nice house in a nice neighbourhood, a new car, nice holidays).
Capitalism, technology, urbanisation and rising prosperity all lead to greater choices and increasingly (from an individual point of view) the rational choice for most couples is one child. And from a purely individual standpoint it’s a very sensible choice.
It might be bad for society but in a society that has capitalism, technology, urbanisation and rising prosperity no-one cares about the interests of society. Such societies inevitably become more focused on the individual.
So how do you get capitalism, technology, urbanisation and rising prosperity without demographic collapse? No amount of wishful thinking about breeder genes is going to change anything.
You need a way of creating a successful prosperous society without that focus on individualism. I have no idea how that can be achieved. Religion isn’t going to help.
This account would be more convincing 20 years ago. Today, nearly a quarter of men have not had sex at all over the last year. Are you going to argue this state of affairs is because of rational choice and individualism? Many of the trends now are bad for society and the individual.
Modern society has seriously fucked up incentives. A good start to changing incentives would be to eliminate practices that delay young people’s transition into adulthood. Sitting around all day playing video games or partying all the time is bad, but on this account so is having to get a degree before getting a decent job(actually it’s worse because it’s dysgenic).
Well, the world is not so simple. Call it decadence or whatever.
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The MPLS riots were remarkably non-murderous compared to the LA riots or the worst of the Vietnam era riots. Granted, burnt out neighborhoods will become more violent in the long run, however America is still safer now than it was from 1968-1996*. Steven Pinker has said that Boomers and Gen Xers were a strange exception to the general rule of the world getting more and more safe for quite some time now. Millennials and Gen Z are just not going to recreate the harrowing youth culture of the late 60-s thru mid-1990’s.
*I’m not talking about the worst modern ghettos of Chicago, but rather, the typical American neighborhood these days. In my lower class suburb, nobody gets beaten up, the police are rarely called about anything, houses are seldom broken into, etc. It’s almost comical how shy and wimpy teenagers are these days compared to the sullen and glowering vibe of teenagers in the 70’s-mid 90’s. And how soon we forget that domestic violence was at ginormous levels in the early 90’s (in hindsight, 1980 and 1991 look like moral lowpoints for America,as measured by most crime and violence stats, and the general social survey says that many Americans were afraid to walk the streets at night from the 1970’s-1996, with only a small improvement from 1984-1989).
Results of enabled abortion&ban of lead in fuel?
It was the horrible youth culture of the 1970’s that warped young minds. Leaded gas is irrelevant (the Silent and Boomer generations pretty much abdicated any semblance of moral leadership in this decade). The cohort born from the early 1950’s-late 1960’s has been a trainwreck, comprising the majority of alcoholics, criminals, homeless, etc. The more this cohort ages, the safer things have gotten. 1940’s born Boomers and later Gen X-ers mostly matured past whatever issues they may have had in their youth, while Millennials were responsible for massive declines in youth anti-social behavior in the late 90’s and 2000’s (youth crime rates plummeting in 1997 coincide with early 80’s births entering the age bracket at which criminal offending becomes more common).
WRT abortion, the spergs don’t notice that the cratering birth rates of the 70’s coincides with a toxic general culture that hurt teenagers and young adults the hardest. Of course the generation who in the 70’s came to believe that it was cool to party hard and hate stupid and hypocritical authority figures (didja know that killing of cops peaked in the 70’s) would end up doing pretty bad. While later generations rose above that nihilism. How on Earth people ignore powerful cultural tends is beyond me. Go look up Sailer’s past writings about the ultra decadant rock and disco culture of the 70’s, and how that decade was remarkably bereft of wholesome and straightforward youth icons.
They were better orchestrated. And mostly white.
What is a “Vietnam-era riot”? Everything calmed down after 1968. In 1985 I watched news reports of the riots in Brixton while visiting friends in Brighton, a safe 60 miles distant. By then, riots had become quite passé back home. I told my English friends their country was behind the times!
As I’ve said before I’m not convinced that we have any reliable data at all about sexual behaviour and I’m definitely not convinced that we have any reliable data about changes in sexual behaviour over time.
Yes, but people decided that they wanted their lives to revolve around smartphones, the internet and gaming. “Society” did not make those bad choices – individuals did. When mobile phones were invented I thought they were a seriously bad idea and I was right but people told me how wonderful life would become thanks to mobile phones. When social media came along I thought it was a seriously bad idea and I was right but people told me how wonderful life would become thanks to social media.
Also, people don’t just make rational decisions. They also make irrational decisions.
“Society” does not force people to sit around all day playing video games. People choose to do so.
Yes, I agree with that.
There’s a limit to what you can do to prevent individuals from screwing up their lives. Or to prevent them from making choices that you and I think are bad choices.
I’m not convinced it applies to the super-rich. I’m not convinced that it applies to the real elites, the 1% if you like.
It’s possible that the elites are not concerned about falling birth rates because falling birth rates don’t affect them.
Yep. And that’s a major problem for the far right which relies heavily on arguments that things are worse now than ever before. The far right also relies heavily on arguments that immigration has made life unliveable.
I’ve noticed that too. And teenagers today are so polite!
Also, all the Zoomers that I encounter are in reasonably stable romantic relationships.
This is another problem for the far right and its reliance on “everything is falling apart” arguments.
I believe it was Henry Rollins who said that when he visited some of his NYC friends in the 80’s, he (in broad daylight, and a muscular twentysomething white guy) needed his friends to secure their neighborhoods (e.g., tell the local thugs to back off) before he dared enter them. That’s how dangerous NYC was at the time.
Hell, to invoke MPLS/St Paul again, there was a serial killer at work there in the 80’s (the weepy voiced killer) and neighboring Wisconsin had Jeffrey Dahmer in the late 80’s/early 90’s. Every region of America, except perhaps Appalachia and the lightly populated upper portion of the inland Western states, had at least one, and often several, serial killers at work in the 70’s-mid 90’s, with the West Coast being particularly gruesome.
The problem with Gen Z is that they focus all their angst inward, thus the really high suicide rates. They seem to be like Boomer opposites.
Boomers: extroverted, outwardly focused, narcissistic.
Gen Z: introverted, inwardly focused, self-loathing.
Gen X and Millennials are between the two extremes.
At least there will be ATRONOMICALLY fewer unplanned pregnancies, less abortions, and less unwilling parents being forced to pay child support that way!
Sure, but you can do the same thing with the Buddha.
(Opening lyrics: “Buddha, Jesus, Gandhi– why were they born? For the benefit of us, the poor.”)
Xi’s crackdown on graft and corruption entailed closing down notorious sex industries such as the one in Dongguan. Xi’s motive was not driven by puritanical impulses but by political interests as he wanted to consolidate his power by purging the Party, Army and State of Deng’s proteges. To show that he meant business, Xi cracked down hard on all manner of vices that ensnared corrupt officials, such as mistresses, gambling, prostitution, etc., which basically wiped out his slate clean for him to appoint his proteges. Catching an official in the act with their mistresses so to speak is much easier to prosecute than trying to search for his ill-gotten wealth which would have been laundered away in some offshore property or bank account. Aside from gaining public favor, Xi’s move allowed him to paint a new image of a clean China which has spread throughout the world.
The West – as represented by its media and politicians — has been critical of Xi’s moves precisely because Xi purged their clients — the Dengist Kleptocracy — from the corridors of power in China. All their silly attempts at gunboat diplomacy won’t deter China because they have to deal with Xi’s nationalists who are now in power in China.